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  • @adamsolomon9353
    @adamsolomon9353 10 місяців тому +1292

    I would listen to you talk about (in anger) for 5 hours about the VA. Please hold them accountable, you have the platform

    • @Saanonymous80
      @Saanonymous80 10 місяців тому +49

      At least it's not the Canadian VA

    • @PariahSixx
      @PariahSixx 10 місяців тому

      The shit that the Canadian VA is pulling with coercing vets into euthanasia who are mentally incapable of properly agreeing to something of such a magnitude is absolutely sickening. @@Saanonymous80

    • @danielleroberts8964
      @danielleroberts8964 10 місяців тому +55

      They just offer you assistance to die. What an unbelievable disgrace.

    • @snafu4405
      @snafu4405 10 місяців тому +42

      The VA murdered my father. 2 tours in Vietnam, 27 years LEO. Not to mention the emotional toll on my family.

    • @ScottWaa
      @ScottWaa 10 місяців тому

      ​@@snafu4405the VA (and our leadership) treats our vets terrible. They used Agent Org in Vietnam knowing that it was toxic, yet 50 years later the US government still is fighting against vets for proper treatment. My dad is one of them.

  • @MrMetallica43
    @MrMetallica43 10 місяців тому +2521

    Garand:"8.6 through 3 blocks, please stop."
    The 8.6 round :"How bout nooo" 😂

    • @Nurse_Xochitl
      @Nurse_Xochitl 10 місяців тому +84

      8.6mm Blackout is like a honey badger that don't care, on steroids.
      I love it! I bet it would probably work decently on 2A infringers.

    • @SPIRIT-117
      @SPIRIT-117 10 місяців тому +58

      "please stop"
      8.6BLK
      *bugs bunny no meme*

    • @RealMTBAddict
      @RealMTBAddict 10 місяців тому +2

      Bullets talk?

    • @hbomatt
      @hbomatt 10 місяців тому +32

      This is actually a bad thing. No expansion means 5.56 will do more damage to a human

    • @nfaisnfgay
      @nfaisnfgay 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Nurse_Xochitllolberts wanting to arm the enemy. What a doormat ideology

  • @nicholasdowd5793
    @nicholasdowd5793 10 місяців тому +1364

    After seeing the RIDICULOUS penetration from that crazy fast twist, I really want to see this put through a battery of tests for barrier penetration. I'm talking sheet metal, windshields, solid wood door, plywood, exterior walls, even concrete block. Hell, toss in level 3a and level 3 body armor to the mix too. That would really drive home and give a great understanding of the real world penetration capabilities of this fascinating newer round.

    • @chrisviviano3271
      @chrisviviano3271 10 місяців тому +65

      I absolutely agree with this, I would love to see that test. I mean in all honesty, when in an urban scenario, you will be penetrating wood, concrete, cinderblock filled and empty, car doors, windows, windshields, armored glass, plate carriers, and drywall. I think this is a brilliant urban sniper, especially if it has massive penetration power! I’m sure once you break certain substances the round will be slowed and slightly pancaked making it a more damaging round after barrier break.

    • @nicholasdowd5793
      @nicholasdowd5793 10 місяців тому +11

      @chrisviviano3271 For sure. I think the applications in an urban setting for this round would be near limitless. I'm dying to see it tested lol.

    • @taraswertelecki3786
      @taraswertelecki3786 10 місяців тому +39

      Add to that how it penetrates ballistic helmets, thick metal, and vehicles. I suspect this cartridge will be proven in combat on the streets of Amerika during the coming civil war.

    • @uthopia27
      @uthopia27 10 місяців тому +15

      ​@@taraswertelecki3786my god man whts the matter with u 😅😅😅

    • @RollerCam
      @RollerCam 9 місяців тому +4

      It won't be a factor. The time til' full breakdown is just too short. It's not even in the hands of 1% of all US shooters.

  • @justinramirez9733
    @justinramirez9733 10 місяців тому +19

    Cutting the weight of an big game rifle down that much is incredible. Imagine how much nicer a hunt will be without a dinosaur on your back.

  • @HumanThePerson
    @HumanThePerson 10 місяців тому +5094

    The lore from garand thumb is better than most films produced in the past 3 years

    • @ceaton39
      @ceaton39 10 місяців тому +159

      Seriously. Someone needs to compile a Documentary titled "The Ballad of Flannel-Daddy"

    • @Youtube-Censorship-Police
      @Youtube-Censorship-Police 10 місяців тому +38

      explains why i constantly hang around on this channel and never went to the cinema in the last few years😄

    • @djdrack4681
      @djdrack4681 10 місяців тому +40

      He was trained by John Wick, and his SERE training involved Agent 47 as the enemy combatant.

    • @spylingual8573
      @spylingual8573 10 місяців тому +13

      30* years

    • @VinceAikens
      @VinceAikens 10 місяців тому +24

      Hollyweird sucks. Dang so called perverted writers can stay on strike forever. Lol

  • @ViaticalVash
    @ViaticalVash 10 місяців тому +2645

    Everytime Mike asks Micha to describe an item and Micah just says what he thinks about it. You can see Mike die a little everytime.

    • @jakewebster5084
      @jakewebster5084 10 місяців тому +83

      lmao! The look of fatherly disappointment on that man's face...

    • @792slayer
      @792slayer 10 місяців тому +42

      Yeah, but he got SDI right this time.

    • @debbiestimac5175
      @debbiestimac5175 10 місяців тому +23

      @@792slayer But he was dead wrong on the cowboy hat, it is so flattering on Mike, very manly and very chic... I bet his wife agrees heartily!

    • @jake1021
      @jake1021 10 місяців тому +34

      ​@@792slayeryour confusing Micah with Charlie

    • @chrysun9891
      @chrysun9891 10 місяців тому +2

      hey nice pfp

  • @ThornCreates
    @ThornCreates 9 місяців тому +95

    Can we take a moment to appreciate how amazing the sound design was for the "Clever girl." scene from jurassic park, and how satisfying the sounds from loading the shots into the SPAS-12, to unfurling the stock was? That scene sticks out to me from every movie i've ever watched when it comes to satisfying and well thought out sound design. And kudos to you for refreshing that scene in my head.

  • @PaulDJr
    @PaulDJr 10 місяців тому +12

    Awesome introduction, as always! 😄 Not only is your content educational, but it is entertaining as well, keeping your audience engaged at all times. Keep up the great work guys!

  • @k.compton8995
    @k.compton8995 10 місяців тому +739

    The VA has screwed so many over. Thanks for shining more light on the situation.

    • @wbrennan2253
      @wbrennan2253 10 місяців тому +18

      I did a 10 week pharmacy rotation at a VA while in college. Interesting place. And listening to some of the struggles now with trying to get care.😢

    • @AaronWilbers
      @AaronWilbers 10 місяців тому +8

      My Father was DAV from Viet Nam and the state of the local VA hospital was awful. The first time I went in there I was stunned.

    • @Servoxyl
      @Servoxyl 10 місяців тому +12

      I’m gonna sound stupid, but what does VA mean in this context?

    • @spaceman624
      @spaceman624 10 місяців тому +11

      ​@@Servoxylveterans administration

    • @wbrennan2253
      @wbrennan2253 10 місяців тому +12

      Sadly, it is run as well as most government programs.

  • @adamgambescia9650
    @adamgambescia9650 10 місяців тому +1109

    That is ridiculous. I’ve never seen a round have this much penetrative power in ballistics gel . It cuts through like genuine butter. Amazing.

    • @jmmartin7766
      @jmmartin7766 10 місяців тому +94

      ​@@notmefrfrOr ATF helmets... 😏

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou 10 місяців тому +24

      hard cast lead been doing it for ages

    • @brahtrumpwonbigly7309
      @brahtrumpwonbigly7309 10 місяців тому +110

      ​@@WayStedYouNot subsonic from a 5 pound gun

    • @no-sway3709
      @no-sway3709 10 місяців тому +45

      No expansion it appears

    • @JohnSmith-kw6io
      @JohnSmith-kw6io 10 місяців тому +11

      Nice fed post

  • @jimmybonse7151
    @jimmybonse7151 10 місяців тому +106

    I'm rooting so hard for 8.6 blackout. We need this cartridge, but I don't want to invest in a rifle until it's SAAMI spec'd and I know it'll be around for a while.

    • @goldenremnant2610
      @goldenremnant2610 5 місяців тому

      Just get a reloading station… 6.5 CM casing is not too hard to come by…

    • @michaelwinckler3211
      @michaelwinckler3211 5 місяців тому

      Need is a strong word lol

    • @Bobbylegs37
      @Bobbylegs37 5 місяців тому +2

      I don't get the hype. 350 legend can throw a heavier bullet out of a smaller action at the same speed.

    • @Bobbylegs37
      @Bobbylegs37 5 місяців тому

      I don't get the hype. 350 legend can throw a heavier bullet out of a smaller action at the same speed.

    • @Bobbylegs37
      @Bobbylegs37 5 місяців тому

      I don't get the hype. 350 legend can throw a heavier bullet out of a smaller action at the same speed.

  • @exodus030
    @exodus030 9 місяців тому +8

    Big ups to Ree, doing the work that really matters. Not all heroes wear capes 🙌🙏🙌 Hooah
    Awesome video too

  • @williamgrant2289
    @williamgrant2289 10 місяців тому +371

    I appreciate Micah's attempt at Charlie humor but no one can match his delivery 😂 Love it guys!

    • @TictacAddict1
      @TictacAddict1 10 місяців тому +4

      You put into words my thoughts.

    • @reallife3338
      @reallife3338 10 місяців тому +1

      Soooooo true

    • @Zed0086
      @Zed0086 10 місяців тому +9

      Where is Charlie?

    • @reallife3338
      @reallife3338 10 місяців тому +6

      @@Zed0086 no clue, I hope just taking some time off

    • @kellineburton
      @kellineburton 10 місяців тому +10

      @@Zed0086 got slaved by the good folks over at Sweaty Disabled Idiots

  • @b_ites8680
    @b_ites8680 10 місяців тому +622

    8.6 is an absolute unit, its so crazy.

    • @fairlanemuscle
      @fairlanemuscle 10 місяців тому +11

      Laughs in 45 Raptor

    • @K-bob_45
      @K-bob_45 10 місяців тому +4

      8.6 is a sissy round

    • @beandip9824
      @beandip9824 10 місяців тому +48

      Ok “k-bob” 🤡

    • @K-bob_45
      @K-bob_45 10 місяців тому +2

      @@beandip9824 not sure what you think there is to argue about. They make .458 cal subsonic ammo and you can always just go supersonic

    • @3sellers3ful
      @3sellers3ful 10 місяців тому

      ​@@K-bob_45yes but we don't want to feel like mouthbreaters. 8.6 is for the refined gentleman who wants to kill endangered species for a the making of a good story.

  • @Juan234alv
    @Juan234alv 10 місяців тому +2

    Next build for sure. Great video. Always entertaining and informative.

  • @billyboy5762
    @billyboy5762 5 місяців тому +11

    “Why are you wearing the cowboy hat”
    “ I don’t know man, I think I’m just a little bit lost,
    Lol 😆

  • @userbosco
    @userbosco 10 місяців тому +801

    The sound from that suppressed 8.6 round actually sounds like the made up suppressed sound they use in movies and games. Just a POP... impressive.

    • @theprojectproject01
      @theprojectproject01 10 місяців тому +27

      I wonder how much of the signature is just from the primer pop. It's not nothing, we knew that as far back as WW2 when they were developing the DeLisle carbine.... Which, when you think about it, this comes close to being an updated version of.

    • @vinkniv
      @vinkniv 9 місяців тому +5

      Accuracy international makes rifles as quiet as these for many years.

    • @propanetankhank9588
      @propanetankhank9588 9 місяців тому +5

      @@vinkniv those things cost you as much as a car);

    • @vinkniv
      @vinkniv 9 місяців тому +7

      @@propanetankhank9588 I didnt know that. My friend was in Dutch special forces and told me they had an AW covert integrally suppressed sniper and it was whisper quiet. That was roughly 10 years ago.

    • @flowgangsemaudamartoz7062
      @flowgangsemaudamartoz7062 9 місяців тому

      @@vinknivOh so Arctic Warfare is a kind of product line from Accuracy International or am i messing up nomenclature?

  • @CasualCOD
    @CasualCOD 10 місяців тому +662

    I've never seen a round FLY through THREE ballistic gel blocks the way this did. That's beyond anything we see on a regular basis, and I can't wait to watch how popular this round becomes

    • @TacticoolPenguin
      @TacticoolPenguin 10 місяців тому +40

      It clearly has ass behind it. But ammo companies need to figure out how to get it to dump its energy. Right now for big game it’s fine especially for a subsonic. I’m confident discreet ballistics, as well as others, will find the sweet spot.

    • @XBullitt16X
      @XBullitt16X 10 місяців тому +43

      Right ? I bust out laughing, when it went through the 3rd one lmao.

    • @XBullitt16X
      @XBullitt16X 10 місяців тому +12

      yeah flying straight though humans is not so good@@TacticoolPenguin

    • @nigelman9506
      @nigelman9506 10 місяців тому +35

      @@XBullitt16X Good against a crowd of zombies

    • @DrakyHRT
      @DrakyHRT 10 місяців тому +30

      @@XBullitt16X Unless that human has body armor, then it's perfect for making some bad guys regret their lifes.

  • @stephenjohnson6841
    @stephenjohnson6841 10 місяців тому +2

    Wow! That is impressive. It will be interesting to see where this goes with more development! Thanks for the information about ReeMedical! I'll pass that along!

    • @REEMedicalVets
      @REEMedicalVets 8 місяців тому +1

      We grately appreciate word-of-mouth and referrals! We offer free consultations for all of our services.

    • @JacksonRhodes42
      @JacksonRhodes42 Місяць тому

      @@REEMedicalVets I cannot begin to put into words how grateful I am for the work you guys do. Incredible, thank you!

  • @up4open
    @up4open 10 місяців тому +5

    You made a good point, that high pierce would be interesting to test against lvl 3.

  • @kearnsey64
    @kearnsey64 10 місяців тому +261

    The fact we need Reemedical is absolutely sickening. Kudos to you guys!❤

    • @dontask8979
      @dontask8979 10 місяців тому +19

      Agree.
      Anyone medically discharged should receive full pay and benefits tax free for life.

    • @georgefloydsinhellwbreonna5330
      @georgefloydsinhellwbreonna5330 10 місяців тому +3

      I used them. It’s better to pay $2k and get 100% than to have DAV take $10k out of my backpay.

    • @deeetherton445
      @deeetherton445 10 місяців тому +2

      Same with Wounded Warrior and all the other veterans assistance programs. VA should handle it all without a problem to the vetrans and no need for other charities. So much wrong with how we do things through government.

    • @nagsal1600
      @nagsal1600 10 місяців тому

      @@dontask8979 Welcome to average Europa land lmfao
      I agree on that fact I don't imagine living that US way ,-,

    • @Your_Evil_Femboy
      @Your_Evil_Femboy 8 місяців тому

      ⁠@@nagsal1600don’t worry, we can’t imagine living in the uk land either. It’s why we separated over 200 years ago from ya.

  • @KeithFoster-re5xj
    @KeithFoster-re5xj 10 місяців тому +192

    How smooth that round goes through the gel honestly looks like cheap CGI which kinda freaks me out. That's absolutely incredible and I love it.

    • @waters3700
      @waters3700 10 місяців тому

      i was thinking the same thing hahah this is crazy

    • @paintballplayer700
      @paintballplayer700 10 місяців тому +10

      aka these expensive "guaranteed to expand" bullets don't perform for shit lol

    • @hhhhhhhhh1071
      @hhhhhhhhh1071 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@paintballplayer700idk about this because I'm no gunsmith, but in my opinion it's not a good way to prove that since this is a very new round still in development

    • @kristian5632
      @kristian5632 10 місяців тому

      that's because it is CGI

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 10 місяців тому

      Ever seen something slow, heavy, with a flat nose go through gel? Like a WFN hard-cast .45-70 slug?

  • @derekwooden7692
    @derekwooden7692 10 місяців тому

    Hey man love the show this has to be my favorite episode so far only thing I have to say bad about your show is that you guys sometimes stand in the light other than that you’re awesome really cool show love the 8.6 blackout rounds those are really bad ass you guys are awesome thank you for the series

  • @garymessina1609
    @garymessina1609 10 місяців тому

    Awesome shoot 8.6 great video thanks Mike and Micah

  • @captraddish891
    @captraddish891 10 місяців тому +120

    my last job was upgrading the VAs network switches, and it really opened my eyes to how horrible the system is for Veterans. I, as a 21 year old loser was making more off the VA as a contractor than employees that had been there for decades. All that in addition to the "facilities" that were at least 20 years behind on average. absolutely despicable how little they actually care.

    • @jh5131
      @jh5131 10 місяців тому +14

      If you think about it, it's actually the perfect real world application of fully government run healthcare

    • @Keepone974
      @Keepone974 10 місяців тому +7

      @@jh5131What do you mean by fully run? Because living in a country with a socialized healthcare, it's not like that at all (Japan), although private hospitals do exist (and you can use the national health insurance system with them anyway).

    • @drownthepoor
      @drownthepoor 10 місяців тому +10

      @@Keepone974 That is your government, and your culture. Japan still believes in things like dedication to one's work and integrity. Perhaps to a fault in some cases.
      The USA is nothing like Japan, and nothing like the USA anymore unfortunately.
      Also, politicians and people make it seem like we lack socialized healthcare in the US. We don't.
      My father applied for state health insurance for the first time when he had a cancer diagnosis, and it changed my opinion on socialized medicine.
      However, that's one experience. I know people from Canada with both good/bad stories of social medical.

    • @drownthepoor
      @drownthepoor 10 місяців тому +6

      @@jh5131 Facts, and that's a terrifying thought. I don't think I've known anyone with good things to say about VA healthcare. It actually seems like active-duty gets a totally different level of care. I dated a girl in the military and she had "Tri-Care" insurance I think? It seemed pretty good, but we also lived just outside of many major military/govt installations.

    • @HanTheProphet
      @HanTheProphet 10 місяців тому

      @@drownthepoorhealth care up here has been pretty great for me anecdotally.
      I suppose it could be bad if your family doctor is dog shit, it’s not the easiest to switch I believe

  • @drumbum353
    @drumbum353 10 місяців тому +136

    I am surprised you didn’t shoot an armor plate with it. That’s the biggest test we need to see now 👍🏻

    • @gamesandsoftwares1441
      @gamesandsoftwares1441 10 місяців тому +6

      more vids on this i guess

    • @tjbouch
      @tjbouch 10 місяців тому +3

      This

    • @en31337
      @en31337 10 місяців тому +2

      Kept that for demoranch 😂

    • @rockon772
      @rockon772 10 місяців тому +4

      It’ll get banned asap

    • @drumbum353
      @drumbum353 10 місяців тому

      @@rockon772 probably, but he’d post insta reels later in the week and we’d have all the answers we need. (I’d prefer a 30 minute video though 😂)

  • @cokeyNbk
    @cokeyNbk 9 місяців тому +14

    Always appreciate garand due to his no nonsense nature and saying what others are scared to but what everyone wants to hear. How good does a round stop people, yes. . .

  • @PikemanLures
    @PikemanLures 10 місяців тому +25

    I would really like to see this compared to the .458 Socom for hunting. The 8.6 has the penetration but the Socom has the energy.

  • @KankedTv
    @KankedTv 10 місяців тому +216

    Never heard of Ree but I want to just say I appreciate what they're doing. My grandpa was drafted into the Navy in Vietnam and has fought with the VA tirelessly for benefits. Appreciate you guys.

    • @nutbastard
      @nutbastard 10 місяців тому

      My uncle was drafted into the army for Vietnam, later died of complications likely caused by agent orange exposure. The VA was less than useless. And of course they never would admit that AO had anything to do with it. F the VA.

    • @myfavoritemartian1
      @myfavoritemartian1 10 місяців тому +15

      My son is an RN at the local VA. He also is a Vet himself. Even he has problems getting appointments and cooperation. (You would think he would have some inside pull) The major problems are: 1-Manditory Paperwork, 2-No sense of urgency, 3-Dealing with secure seated civilian staff members who don't care. 4- Heavy layers of Federal Bureaucracy.

    • @guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077
      @guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077 10 місяців тому +10

      It is even worse when you get drafted and they don't pay up. Like, hello, I literally did not sign up for this crap.

    • @crewchief5144
      @crewchief5144 10 місяців тому +2

      I just got a call from the VA last Saturday. They didn't leave a voice mail...on a Saturday. Want to bet my record says "tried to contact, patient never returned call."?
      They are masters at dodging phones. I've called an office I was sitting in waiting for a "walk-ins welcome" appointment and watched them not answer it.

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 10 місяців тому

      @@guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077 Some say one of the modern schemes in the Biden admin to cover up political crimes is to start a war and then draft mass Americans into a war that can't be won, which would guarantee mass Americans who know too much will perish.

  • @eamonnholland5343
    @eamonnholland5343 10 місяців тому +133

    Almost didn't even look like the round would stop in the ballistic gel no matter how many blocks you set up. Looked like it was a rocket propelled drill, and zoomed out the other side like it was having a lovely, lovely day. One of the coolest ballistic gel tests I've seen for a round.

    • @AndyDrake-FOOKYT
      @AndyDrake-FOOKYT 10 місяців тому +16

      I'd like to see it hit plates or a sheet of plywood or something else hard b4 the gel and see what happens.

  • @venom390re
    @venom390re 7 місяців тому

    Good gun stuff right here, also REE got me my 100% this past June after about two years of battling the VA.

  • @bmxdude1337
    @bmxdude1337 9 місяців тому

    What a fun educational video, thanks bois. Stay free, keep training, become ungovernable.

  • @jamjamjovi
    @jamjamjovi 10 місяців тому +234

    Cool! The 8.6 is pretty slick. I'm glad to see more people doing videos on it.

    • @masobburke2265
      @masobburke2265 10 місяців тому +2

      Bro you did not read it that fast it 21 min long

    • @johnqpublic2718
      @johnqpublic2718 10 місяців тому +6

      Needs that dopamine hit that comes from a potential notice by senpai

    • @mattmarzula
      @mattmarzula 10 місяців тому +1

      That's how marketing works.

    • @TheDoorspook11c
      @TheDoorspook11c 10 місяців тому +2

      I was a little surprised. It seemed like it would be low speed easy, but hot damn that energy was nasty!

    • @whatsmolly5741
      @whatsmolly5741 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@TheDoorspook11c ballistic gel makes anything look crazy in slow motion.
      8.6 subs are about 700 foot pounds and 300 blackout subs are about 600 foot pounds with 220 grain projectiles so it's really only a 100 foot pound increase but you also trade that for mag capacity.

  • @DieselDoktor
    @DieselDoktor 10 місяців тому +194

    GT: “it’s the quietest combination I’ve ever heard.”
    .22LR 20” barrel, with 12” can: “am I a joke to you?”

    • @pariswashington5543
      @pariswashington5543 10 місяців тому +1

      What is all that mean

    • @saltysaty8686
      @saltysaty8686 10 місяців тому +15

      ​@@pariswashington5543if you know you know. Look up subsonic 22lr long-range with suppressors.

    • @themexis
      @themexis 10 місяців тому +10

      @@pariswashington5543 it's in freedom units, heres the conversion:
      0.22 inch diameter round fired from a 20 inch barrel gun with an additional 12 inches of suppressor.
      i think they shot this in the episode where they tried to answer "up to what distance is the 0.22 inch caliber deadly"

    • @kelleys81
      @kelleys81 10 місяців тому +16

      @@pariswashington5543it means that the 8.6 doesn’t have shit on a 22 suppressed setup. As far as center fire it may be the king but as far as throwing something with minimal sound to beat the 22 you would need a slingshot and ball bearings and even then the 22 might be quieter.

    • @Sk0lzky
      @Sk0lzky 10 місяців тому +2

      "I've ever heard" he said. He was in the military before modern ear pro. If I'm not mistaken during the time branch was implementing field ear pro which didn't work (and so nobody used it) and kept everyone in the dark for a decade kekw

  • @Kevin45792
    @Kevin45792 10 місяців тому +2

    It’s a beast! Very impressive

  • @davelaneve2446
    @davelaneve2446 8 місяців тому +4

    I really want one of these! The 300 BKO had the same overpenetration issues when it came out, as most bullets are designed to penetrate and expand properly at fast supersonic velocities. A few years ago we were shooting 6.5 Creedmoor at muzzle velocities of around 3000 fps. At 100-200 yards they were penetrating and expanding to about 16-18 inches in ballistic gelatin. At 1000+ yards, they were not expanding and penetrating more than 36 inches.
    With the 300 BKO, it performed much better at closer ranges once bullets were developed that were designed to penetrate and expand at subsonic velocities. So this round will be better once those bullets become available to perform at subsonic.

  • @efcsscfe2208
    @efcsscfe2208 10 місяців тому +137

    When Jim Rock was alive, he developed a single shot 30 caliber projectile in a 32 H&R brass as a toy for the teams for anti-sniper. You heard the trigger click, and then down range impact and steel, silhouette flip over. I ended up buying two of Jim Rock’s single shots in wildcat calibers. I’m sorry he has gone to the great gunsmith shop in the sky.

    • @srschick72
      @srschick72 10 місяців тому +1

      what is an "anti-sniper"? anything like a "counter sniper"?

  • @limacharlietac
    @limacharlietac 10 місяців тому +216

    More effort goes into making these videos than my entire life. And we thank you

    • @jacobzindel987
      @jacobzindel987 10 місяців тому +2

      Your entire life has lead up to that epic comment.

    • @Cheka__
      @Cheka__ 10 місяців тому +1

      You put more effort into one second of your life than I've put into twenty years of mine.

    • @neithertwosturrr3016
      @neithertwosturrr3016 10 місяців тому

      Forgotten weapons did it first lol

    • @kingbeeris8814
      @kingbeeris8814 10 місяців тому

      I agree 😂

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 10 місяців тому

      So are you saying, you're a low achiever?

  • @dirtbikesnstuff9880
    @dirtbikesnstuff9880 9 місяців тому

    Drooled on my phone a couple times watching this holy shit that thing is insane!

  • @TheSAOutdoorman
    @TheSAOutdoorman 10 місяців тому

    I actually saw someone testing it in Africa and it was able to take down a cape Buffalo with 1 shot. So I'm very excited to see more from this caliber

  • @rpmarts
    @rpmarts 10 місяців тому +219

    .338 BLK would be a cooler name and match .300BLK stablished nomenclature, since nobody calls it the 7.62x35

    • @Jake-bt3fc
      @Jake-bt3fc 10 місяців тому +69

      Nah, bro. We need to keep bullets as confusing as possible.

    • @wraithwyvern528
      @wraithwyvern528 10 місяців тому +15

      Gotta make the nerds who know this shit feel good about themselves.

    • @Maddog3060
      @Maddog3060 10 місяців тому +2

      Whoa there, partner, we can't go disturbing the Fudds and Ludds by having sensible ideas, now can we? ;)

    • @Scroolewse
      @Scroolewse 10 місяців тому +6

      8.6mm has a more menacing sound to it. I know it's the same measurement but for some reason I feel like it better emphasizes the bigness of the round.
      Maybe because people are used to considering 7.62 a "big" bullet so a bullet bigger feels scarier.

    • @praharin
      @praharin 10 місяців тому +2

      I’m pretty sure KB did it this way specifically to annoy people

  • @natekinzie4749
    @natekinzie4749 10 місяців тому +273

    I can't get over Mike's face when Micah went full Charlie with the signature reduction explanation!!😂😂

    • @titusdaniel
      @titusdaniel 9 місяців тому +7

      You can tell he's thinking about the edit at this point. He knows he has to maintain a straight face for at least a few seconds before he breaks. 😆

  • @Meloncholymadness
    @Meloncholymadness 9 місяців тому +14

    Jeez that rifle is incredible, just that whole setup from the optic to the round... Envy!

    • @SamI-jk5vt
      @SamI-jk5vt 5 місяців тому +2

      what rifle is it?

    • @davidmclennan9084
      @davidmclennan9084 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@SamI-jk5vt Q Fix if you havent found the answer yet

  • @tomstopshots
    @tomstopshots 6 місяців тому

    Hey I know I'm a bit late to this, but that's a pretty freaking wildly good impression. I knew exactly who you were playing right when you first spoke.

  • @Echo2-2
    @Echo2-2 10 місяців тому +282

    I am impressed at how rounds and guns themselves are getting quieter and quieter as time goes on. Fascinating stuff

    • @tomtemple69
      @tomtemple69 10 місяців тому +25

      the limiting factor is they have to keep the round subsonic

    • @davidstorm4911
      @davidstorm4911 10 місяців тому +5

      It's the expensive Can & sub-sonic loads.

    • @THESLlCK
      @THESLlCK 8 місяців тому +2

      @@tomtemple69quiet supersonic is very doable but requires an extremely long and slender projectile. There are supersonic aircraft that have almost no sonic boom at all. Incredible.

    • @kennethschultz6465
      @kennethschultz6465 8 місяців тому

      @echo2-2 aslong they had made MP5ad Super Silenced
      using 9mm sub sonic ammo.. a ball pen clicking was louder then MP5ad
      and the silenced ammo hat a realy thin rubber layer on the brass so the
      empty dident say ding ding when hitting stones on ground ... now that is quiet
      nothing new at all ... the crack you hear is the sonic boom from the bullit leawin the silencer
      nothing new about that again..

    • @dashdartfun
      @dashdartfun 7 місяців тому

      @@tomtemple69 Not necessarily. In theory if your projectile is thin enough the sonic boom should be very quiet.

  • @J4CKWR4TH
    @J4CKWR4TH 10 місяців тому +117

    The 8.6 has been my most thought about round since I heard about it, I expect a lot of cool things in the future based on this tech.

    • @thelittledetailscr7231
      @thelittledetailscr7231 10 місяців тому +10

      I don't know if there is much tech to it. It's a 6.5 creedmoor case necked up to 338 with a fast twist barrel. That it.

    • @mercury4510
      @mercury4510 10 місяців тому +24

      ⁠@@thelittledetailscr7231 if it’s so simple why didn’t you think of it first then 😂
      Oh wait it probably took a team of people weeks or months to find the Goldilocks combo of existing rounds and rifling. Either through data crunching or extensive range testing, and then manufacturing the rifles and rounds for further testing, and clearly they’re still refining it.
      It’s not as simple as “stuff a 338 in a 6.5 that shit will be bonkers!!”

    • @thelittledetailscr7231
      @thelittledetailscr7231 10 місяців тому +7

      @@mercury4510 I'm a psychologist, so it is not my job to create new rounds. Plus I'm in California, so there is no use in creating subs as we can't have suppressors.
      What data is there to crunch? Fast burning powder like 300bo uses, neck up the case...only thing left is to see what twist works best.

    • @Hornet135
      @Hornet135 10 місяців тому

      @@mercury4510 Since you’re such an expert, I guess you came up with 8.6.

    • @DPham1
      @DPham1 10 місяців тому +12

      Everything seems simple after it's been invented

  • @eamonshields2754
    @eamonshields2754 8 місяців тому +1

    Truly Badass Round. Well Done Q

  • @a1cwhite1
    @a1cwhite1 10 місяців тому

    everyone i've seen that shoots this gun is blown away by it. i can't wait to get my hands on one.

  • @TheDecoyDude
    @TheDecoyDude 10 місяців тому +342

    Am I the only person that is noticing that Garand Thumb has tons more tats every video? Went from none to 2 sleeves pretty quickly

    • @WALTER4999__
      @WALTER4999__ 10 місяців тому +70

      he was on instagram live a couple days ago getting one lol

    • @benjaminnevins5211
      @benjaminnevins5211 10 місяців тому +56

      Previous "job" probably didn't allow it.

    • @ericpettyfishing
      @ericpettyfishing 10 місяців тому +54

      Steroids too

    • @kczcb4697
      @kczcb4697 10 місяців тому +8

      There’s a tattoo artist in Idaho who’s been very busy.

    • @badco27
      @badco27 10 місяців тому +49

      He’s been hanging around post Malone too much

  • @CombatBuckee
    @CombatBuckee 10 місяців тому +278

    Honestly VERY curious to see how this new round evolves into the AR platform. I’m a HUGE 300BLK fan. This intrigues me greatly

    • @rollastudent
      @rollastudent 10 місяців тому +16

      Faxon makes AR10 barrels, the rest of the parts are normal AR10/15 parts

    • @bradborton4802
      @bradborton4802 10 місяців тому +18

      Gorilla n faxon have been pumping full builds do almost8 months

    • @____________838
      @____________838 10 місяців тому +7

      See also: Q Boombox

    • @littletree6005
      @littletree6005 10 місяців тому +3

      I truly think these would be badass on AK platform

    • @chickennuggets2929
      @chickennuggets2929 10 місяців тому +4

      im shocked, the spin is mind boggling

  • @theyrenotdollsOK
    @theyrenotdollsOK 9 місяців тому

    SIGNATURE REDUCTION explanation was on point. He would make a good high school teacher.

  • @Quad5Ny
    @Quad5Ny 10 місяців тому +2

    I believe the extra rotation along with the bullet shape is helping it cut through the gel blocks as the bullet moves forward - leading to less loss of forward momentum on the bullet.

    • @analogludite9575
      @analogludite9575 6 місяців тому +1

      I was thinking the same thing. Like the difference between a drill bit and a nail going through a 2 x4. It's like it's screwing and chewing through rather than pushing.

  • @knighthawk6633
    @knighthawk6633 10 місяців тому +30

    I took two hogs with my 8.6 BLK. Both passed straight through with a 225 CX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 1,800fps. Also, do not shoot traditional cup and core lead projectiles. I destroyed two suppressors experimenting with different bullets.

  • @nerysalguero3956
    @nerysalguero3956 10 місяців тому +63

    Thanks for the heads up on that veterans assistance. My buddy is currently in the backlog with the VA. They dragging their feet get his paperwork through so he can get his percentage and finally get his benefits. Hopefully they can help him

  • @justinmcwilliams6759
    @justinmcwilliams6759 10 місяців тому

    Looking good these days, Mike! Your time in the gym is definitely paying off!

  • @salann_
    @salann_ 10 місяців тому +2

    This is an absolute masterpiece

  • @Publius380a.C.
    @Publius380a.C. 10 місяців тому +221

    Mike as always demonstrates that he's the realest guy on this app, W for supporting screwed over Vets. Keep up the good work guys!

    • @eriklarson9137
      @eriklarson9137 10 місяців тому +4

      What app?

    • @CertifiedSunset
      @CertifiedSunset 10 місяців тому

      @@eriklarson9137 UA-cam is an app for mobile so he's likely talking about that.

    • @Kernnun
      @Kernnun 10 місяців тому

      @@eriklarson9137 most use their phone

    • @pierrelecoq4945
      @pierrelecoq4945 10 місяців тому

      @@eriklarson9137 ytb

    • @DrakyHRT
      @DrakyHRT 10 місяців тому

      @@eriklarson9137 youtube on mobile devices is an app, not a website.

  • @shooteveryday1841
    @shooteveryday1841 10 місяців тому +44

    For armor piercing - they could just put a drill bit on the tip given its rotation speed..

    • @RealMTBAddict
      @RealMTBAddict 10 місяців тому

      Its*

    • @lucastonoli3256
      @lucastonoli3256 10 місяців тому +4

      It would come out flying from that **tarded twist-rate and - likely - off-center bit (as it would be a nightmare to get it perfectly centered).

    • @skepticalbadger
      @skepticalbadger 10 місяців тому

      ​@@RealMTBAddictAndroid autocomplete puts the apostrophe in automatically, which is fucking annoying.

    • @RealMTBAddict
      @RealMTBAddict 10 місяців тому

      @@skepticalbadger yep mine does it too. Gotta stay vigilant because the grammar General is here lol

  • @roangrahm1529
    @roangrahm1529 10 місяців тому +5

    I REALLY want to see what this does to armor after seeing it go through three blocks like they weren't even there.

  • @benjaminnevins5211
    @benjaminnevins5211 10 місяців тому +50

    I was always wondering why this round existed, but now it looks fun.

    • @beavismagnum
      @beavismagnum 10 місяців тому +3

      First was 7.62x39 but worse, now we have 9x39 but worse

    • @thekraken1173
      @thekraken1173 10 місяців тому +18

      @@beavismagnum Blackouts don’t require big curvy magazines so you can actually carry multiple magazines.

    • @johnnyshanksalot8358
      @johnnyshanksalot8358 10 місяців тому +3

      @@beavismagnum7.62x39 doesn't run supers so there's no comparison there, it's only a handgun round power-wise. If you want subs that don't suck compared to rifles, you gotta go 458 socom, etc.

  • @coreymerrill3257
    @coreymerrill3257 10 місяців тому +9

    "How would you describe the 8.6 blackout? " ..." Like a .338 whisper "

  • @arkama67
    @arkama67 7 місяців тому

    holy sht that round is crazy, amazing episode !

  • @DimaProk
    @DimaProk 9 місяців тому

    The term "drilled it" comes to mind and it all makes sense now.

  • @payne7761
    @payne7761 10 місяців тому +54

    Took me 14 years of off and on fighting with the VA to get up to 100%. The Ree boys are doing good work, I wish they'd been around when I was going through that battle.

  • @fracturedrealitygaming1326
    @fracturedrealitygaming1326 10 місяців тому +76

    This round introduces reduced minimap visibility when firing 8.6, especially when Ghillie suit is equipped

    • @guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077
      @guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077 10 місяців тому +1

      Be careful saying that. The fbi may send 50 agents to your house. 😅

    • @fracturedrealitygaming1326
      @fracturedrealitygaming1326 10 місяців тому +7

      @@guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077 it’s a call of duty joke. I doubt even the fbi is so stupid they can’t figure that one out

    • @Cayylub
      @Cayylub 10 місяців тому +1

      Don’t forget about the slower ADS, sprint speed, and damage because of the suppressor 😜

    • @Maddog3060
      @Maddog3060 10 місяців тому

      @@fracturedrealitygaming1326Frankly, I wouldn't bet against the FBI being that stupid; they've shown themselves to be pretty damn subhuman.

    • @mogonja420
      @mogonja420 10 місяців тому

      The feds play cod

  • @BearMeat4Dinner
    @BearMeat4Dinner 7 місяців тому

    God Bless! Love the commercial! ❤

  • @dovahthedeaf9640
    @dovahthedeaf9640 9 місяців тому +2

    Hey man i just got out of the marines, thank you for introducing me to ree medical. I was really worried about it as when i was in medical i a fing joke, but im glad those guys are there for us.

  • @Swissk31300BO
    @Swissk31300BO 10 місяців тому +36

    If garand thumb is the reason more manufacturers make 8.6 and it gets sammi standard I will be forever grateful. 2.50-3.00 bucks a round factory and 1.5 ish for reloads ain’t great right now.

    • @YesImKyle
      @YesImKyle 10 місяців тому +3

      I was just about to research building one. Thanks for saving me some time haha

    • @lugia233
      @lugia233 10 місяців тому +1

      Man as a big time magnum guy that is cheap haha

    • @Swissk31300BO
      @Swissk31300BO 10 місяців тому +3

      @@lugia233 this is replacing 45-70, 44 msg and just sbout everything but 22 and 300 blackout for me. So buying 5-10k is not a good time right now. Either reloading components or factory ammo.
      Hopefully this video really kicks ammo components manufacturing into overdrive

    • @brighthought11
      @brighthought11 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Swissk31300BO why is this round replacing so many? explain

    • @Swissk31300BO
      @Swissk31300BO 10 місяців тому

      @@brighthought11 did u watch the video?

  • @c_s_8411
    @c_s_8411 10 місяців тому +51

    I built an 8.6 in a AR10 platform when they first came out. I have been experimenting with different projectiles and I have found the hornady 285 grain ftx's shoot really well. For what it is I think it's an awesome rifle can't wait to go deer hunting with it this fall. I haven't shot a concrete wall with it but I have 3/8 steel and it almost went through with subs, it would have smoked it with supers.

    • @eidtnaci
      @eidtnaci 7 місяців тому

      Where did u get ur upper from?

    • @c_s_8411
      @c_s_8411 7 місяців тому +2

      I used the Aero M5 upper and lower. Whatever you do, don't cerakote the inside of the upper receiver.@@eidtnaci

  • @sematic1
    @sematic1 9 місяців тому

    My god. you guys are funny as hell. I love it. awesome videos.

  • @matthewhenry6276
    @matthewhenry6276 10 місяців тому +20

    Micah went full Charlie on that signature reduction statement 😂

  • @joshuar6347
    @joshuar6347 10 місяців тому +30

    Solid dad advice! Micah should have his own 80’s sitcom!

  • @1stAlphaKing
    @1stAlphaKing 7 місяців тому

    Garand thumb is just amazing!

  • @SpetsnazBear-3710
    @SpetsnazBear-3710 10 місяців тому

    Very interesting review. Thanks for the "show n tell".
    Awesome dad advice from Micah
    Did I hear right... are congrats in order for Mike and Ashley?
    If so .... Congratulations to the Jones's

  • @spenn0806
    @spenn0806 10 місяців тому +31

    Super happy to see the REE medical clip. Can’t recommend them enough! They helped me immensely after getting pounded by the VA for years.

  • @codydalton6011
    @codydalton6011 10 місяців тому +36

    Mike love your videos, and its awesome seeing REE Medical on your channel they helped me get from 60% to 100%.

  • @freedomfirst5420
    @freedomfirst5420 10 місяців тому

    The 8.6 Blackout literally drills through those blocks!

  • @destnations5588
    @destnations5588 10 місяців тому

    I just paused it, at " Cleaver Ron Jeremy"! So, Gold, I'm in tears !

  • @GingerBeardMan977
    @GingerBeardMan977 10 місяців тому +69

    300 and 8.6 blackout are straight up assassin rounds. quiet and precise in their range

    • @ryanhamstra49
      @ryanhamstra49 10 місяців тому +10

      I mean, .300 was made for the seals, so you aren’t wrong

    • @sinisterthoughts2896
      @sinisterthoughts2896 10 місяців тому +1

      Precise in their range applies to every round. 300 blackout started as a subsonic hunting cartridge. Considering nost assassinations performed with a firearm are performed at close quarters with non suppressed guns, the whole statement just seems a little poorly thought out.

    • @helmut1388
      @helmut1388 10 місяців тому +4

      When we went "downrange" and I heard the first round, I thought that's quite loud. Then I heard him loading the next round and the noise was about the same as the shot. Insane.

    • @johnmoss4624
      @johnmoss4624 10 місяців тому +3

      @@ryanhamstra49 we're not using clubs anymore?

    • @themexis
      @themexis 10 місяців тому

      looks like headshots are back on the table 😄

  • @texasexotics9645
    @texasexotics9645 10 місяців тому +42

    man i just gotta say you’re one of the best firearm youtubers, top tier quality my friend

  • @AndrewStonerock
    @AndrewStonerock 4 місяці тому

    That intro though. 10/10 chefs kisses

  • @cz75fanatic
    @cz75fanatic 10 місяців тому

    What an intro reference.... too good

  • @nftvegeta538
    @nftvegeta538 10 місяців тому +25

    yo Garand ...I Just want to say thank you man
    these videos is so much fun and informative
    and i think a lot of people including my self love what your doing not for only the "fire arms " community but also for the viewers and many more ...your positive vibe is what people need and a lot of people watch your videos and use it as a way to escape stress, anxiety, depression...
    so thanks man ...really

  • @CertifiedSunset
    @CertifiedSunset 10 місяців тому +105

    I've only shot 8.6 once because a very nice gentleman on the range we were shooting at offered. It's one of the most unique shooting experiences I've had. Compared to the round shot, there is almost no recoil.

    • @vanderwallstronghold8905
      @vanderwallstronghold8905 10 місяців тому +12

      You were shooting at the nice gentleman?

    • @CertifiedSunset
      @CertifiedSunset 10 місяців тому +13

      @@vanderwallstronghold8905 I don't think he would take very kindly to me doing that, lol!

    • @mikeovercast9799
      @mikeovercast9799 9 місяців тому +2

      I shot one for the first time a couple of days ago and was really impressed!

    • @alquinn3562
      @alquinn3562 6 місяців тому +1

      @@mikeovercast9799The gentleman?

  • @bradb5850
    @bradb5850 7 місяців тому

    LOL that beginning seen was Hilarious!!! Clever Gurl! That one of may favorite all time JP scenes.

  • @user-lf5fo3ci1d
    @user-lf5fo3ci1d 9 місяців тому +2

    So sad REE Medical has to exist, and so grateful they do.. So sad REE Medical has to exist, and so grateful they do..

  • @jeffwillburn9455
    @jeffwillburn9455 10 місяців тому +27

    Did anybody else see the flash ignition in the gel for the 8.6 FMJ that’s cool asf, I think all the air compressing in the gel superheated it 11:18

  • @RL-RL
    @RL-RL 10 місяців тому +31

    The BEST content that I always can't wait to see! The subtle comedy always makes my day as well! Great job Mike and Micah!

  • @Nickalzz
    @Nickalzz 3 місяці тому +1

    5:25 this cut lol 👌👌perfect

  • @danielketner7581
    @danielketner7581 10 місяців тому

    Absolute unit of a round

  • @BuckleyWiley
    @BuckleyWiley 10 місяців тому +15

    I have had my 2 8.6s for a year now and I love both my fix and ar10 they are very quiet

  • @elman8283
    @elman8283 10 місяців тому +12

    Loved the CAMERA GUY'S response for SIGNATURE REDUCTION!!!! I never saw GT that QUIET that LONG....

  • @aqwillsr
    @aqwillsr 10 місяців тому

    I built an AR10/308 platform chambered in the 8.6 and it's pretty quiet without a can/suppressor. My Springfield Saint Victor 223 is obnoxiously loud compared to my 8.6 build.✌🏼💜🙏🏼

  • @qwertyuio905
    @qwertyuio905 9 місяців тому +4

    You should do a comparison between the 8.6 with its crazy spin and a 338 win mag shooting 285g maker bullets (11.4g of tb) out of a 1:10 twist.
    Very accurate with some incredible pass through on hard targets. Soft targets the bullets open up.
    Would be an interesting "shoot out"
    The 338 cost half of what the can did, not the other way around.

  • @NO3V
    @NO3V 10 місяців тому +19

    5:05
    "When it *enters a human body* it does crazy [ __ ] and I *can't wait to show you guys that* ."
    WE ARE STILL WAITING!

  • @bravo4adventure988
    @bravo4adventure988 10 місяців тому +19

    Good to see Ree Medical on your show. I hired them a few months ago and am in the middle of the process.

  • @user-mt6lh5gk7x
    @user-mt6lh5gk7x 6 місяців тому +2

    If you surrender to the wind, you can ride it.

  • @rlm2010az
    @rlm2010az 8 місяців тому

    Great video

  • @FreedomandBaconHomestead
    @FreedomandBaconHomestead 10 місяців тому +44

    So sad REE Medical has to exist, and so grateful they do.

  • @Ihasanart
    @Ihasanart 10 місяців тому +122

    Those 8.6 hollowpoints are likely moving too slow to get expansion and are supercavitating decreasing drag and resistance through the gel.

    • @jacktheaviator4938
      @jacktheaviator4938 10 місяців тому +22

      They weren't using traditional lead/copper hollow points. The 8.6 only comes in solid monolithic projectiles due to the extreme twist rates. So all that is available is copper fragmenting subsonic. And they don't really work as advertised. I bought a bunch from gorilla in 300 blk and none of them fragmented in gel. That's why it is getting so much penetration. A 223 would penetrate with a similar projectile at that range.

    • @dakotareid1566
      @dakotareid1566 10 місяців тому +4

      @@jacktheaviator4938ummm what are you talking about, looks like a hollow point to me 1:20

    • @PedroHenrique-xm1yt
      @PedroHenrique-xm1yt 10 місяців тому +17

      ​@@jacktheaviator4938wait, what? Didn't he literally show us a hollow point with cuts on the side to ENSURE expansion, plus a huge cavity at the front? I still can't understand how the fmj sucked but the hollow point penetrated like that

    • @dakotareid1566
      @dakotareid1566 10 місяців тому +1

      @@PedroHenrique-xm1ytexactly

    • @nathanbegovich6173
      @nathanbegovich6173 10 місяців тому +12

      They arent lead core. Solid copper made to expand at 1000fps. If you shot these are 2000 or 3000 fps they would prob just fly apart in the air bc they are made to expand so easily