The shit that the Canadian VA is pulling with coercing vets into euthanasia who are mentally incapable of properly agreeing to something of such a magnitude is absolutely sickening. @@Saanonymous80
@@snafu4405the VA (and our leadership) treats our vets terrible. They used Agent Org in Vietnam knowing that it was toxic, yet 50 years later the US government still is fighting against vets for proper treatment. My dad is one of them.
After seeing the RIDICULOUS penetration from that crazy fast twist, I really want to see this put through a battery of tests for barrier penetration. I'm talking sheet metal, windshields, solid wood door, plywood, exterior walls, even concrete block. Hell, toss in level 3a and level 3 body armor to the mix too. That would really drive home and give a great understanding of the real world penetration capabilities of this fascinating newer round.
I absolutely agree with this, I would love to see that test. I mean in all honesty, when in an urban scenario, you will be penetrating wood, concrete, cinderblock filled and empty, car doors, windows, windshields, armored glass, plate carriers, and drywall. I think this is a brilliant urban sniper, especially if it has massive penetration power! I’m sure once you break certain substances the round will be slowed and slightly pancaked making it a more damaging round after barrier break.
Add to that how it penetrates ballistic helmets, thick metal, and vehicles. I suspect this cartridge will be proven in combat on the streets of Amerika during the coming civil war.
Can we take a moment to appreciate how amazing the sound design was for the "Clever girl." scene from jurassic park, and how satisfying the sounds from loading the shots into the SPAS-12, to unfurling the stock was? That scene sticks out to me from every movie i've ever watched when it comes to satisfying and well thought out sound design. And kudos to you for refreshing that scene in my head.
@@K-bob_45yes but we don't want to feel like mouthbreaters. 8.6 is for the refined gentleman who wants to kill endangered species for a the making of a good story.
I've never seen a round FLY through THREE ballistic gel blocks the way this did. That's beyond anything we see on a regular basis, and I can't wait to watch how popular this round becomes
It clearly has ass behind it. But ammo companies need to figure out how to get it to dump its energy. Right now for big game it’s fine especially for a subsonic. I’m confident discreet ballistics, as well as others, will find the sweet spot.
Never heard of Ree but I want to just say I appreciate what they're doing. My grandpa was drafted into the Navy in Vietnam and has fought with the VA tirelessly for benefits. Appreciate you guys.
My uncle was drafted into the army for Vietnam, later died of complications likely caused by agent orange exposure. The VA was less than useless. And of course they never would admit that AO had anything to do with it. F the VA.
My son is an RN at the local VA. He also is a Vet himself. Even he has problems getting appointments and cooperation. (You would think he would have some inside pull) The major problems are: 1-Manditory Paperwork, 2-No sense of urgency, 3-Dealing with secure seated civilian staff members who don't care. 4- Heavy layers of Federal Bureaucracy.
I just got a call from the VA last Saturday. They didn't leave a voice mail...on a Saturday. Want to bet my record says "tried to contact, patient never returned call."? They are masters at dodging phones. I've called an office I was sitting in waiting for a "walk-ins welcome" appointment and watched them not answer it.
@@guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077 Some say one of the modern schemes in the Biden admin to cover up political crimes is to start a war and then draft mass Americans into a war that can't be won, which would guarantee mass Americans who know too much will perish.
my last job was upgrading the VAs network switches, and it really opened my eyes to how horrible the system is for Veterans. I, as a 21 year old loser was making more off the VA as a contractor than employees that had been there for decades. All that in addition to the "facilities" that were at least 20 years behind on average. absolutely despicable how little they actually care.
@@jh5131What do you mean by fully run? Because living in a country with a socialized healthcare, it's not like that at all (Japan), although private hospitals do exist (and you can use the national health insurance system with them anyway).
@@Keepone974 That is your government, and your culture. Japan still believes in things like dedication to one's work and integrity. Perhaps to a fault in some cases. The USA is nothing like Japan, and nothing like the USA anymore unfortunately. Also, politicians and people make it seem like we lack socialized healthcare in the US. We don't. My father applied for state health insurance for the first time when he had a cancer diagnosis, and it changed my opinion on socialized medicine. However, that's one experience. I know people from Canada with both good/bad stories of social medical.
@@jh5131 Facts, and that's a terrifying thought. I don't think I've known anyone with good things to say about VA healthcare. It actually seems like active-duty gets a totally different level of care. I dated a girl in the military and she had "Tri-Care" insurance I think? It seemed pretty good, but we also lived just outside of many major military/govt installations.
@@drownthepoorhealth care up here has been pretty great for me anecdotally. I suppose it could be bad if your family doctor is dog shit, it’s not the easiest to switch I believe
@TheDoorspook11c ballistic gel makes anything look crazy in slow motion. 8.6 subs are about 700 foot pounds and 300 blackout subs are about 600 foot pounds with 220 grain projectiles so it's really only a 100 foot pound increase but you also trade that for mag capacity.
I wonder how much of the signature is just from the primer pop. It's not nothing, we knew that as far back as WW2 when they were developing the DeLisle carbine.... Which, when you think about it, this comes close to being an updated version of.
@@propanetankhank9588 I didnt know that. My friend was in Dutch special forces and told me they had an AW covert integrally suppressed sniper and it was whisper quiet. That was roughly 10 years ago.
Almost didn't even look like the round would stop in the ballistic gel no matter how many blocks you set up. Looked like it was a rocket propelled drill, and zoomed out the other side like it was having a lovely, lovely day. One of the coolest ballistic gel tests I've seen for a round.
@@paintballplayer700idk about this because I'm no gunsmith, but in my opinion it's not a good way to prove that since this is a very new round still in development
I really want one of these! The 300 BKO had the same overpenetration issues when it came out, as most bullets are designed to penetrate and expand properly at fast supersonic velocities. A few years ago we were shooting 6.5 Creedmoor at muzzle velocities of around 3000 fps. At 100-200 yards they were penetrating and expanding to about 16-18 inches in ballistic gelatin. At 1000+ yards, they were not expanding and penetrating more than 36 inches. With the 300 BKO, it performed much better at closer ranges once bullets were developed that were designed to penetrate and expand at subsonic velocities. So this round will be better once those bullets become available to perform at subsonic.
Same with Wounded Warrior and all the other veterans assistance programs. VA should handle it all without a problem to the vetrans and no need for other charities. So much wrong with how we do things through government.
8.6mm has a more menacing sound to it. I know it's the same measurement but for some reason I feel like it better emphasizes the bigness of the round. Maybe because people are used to considering 7.62 a "big" bullet so a bullet bigger feels scarier.
Always appreciate garand due to his no nonsense nature and saying what others are scared to but what everyone wants to hear. How good does a round stop people, yes. . .
@@pariswashington5543 it's in freedom units, heres the conversion: 0.22 inch diameter round fired from a 20 inch barrel gun with an additional 12 inches of suppressor. i think they shot this in the episode where they tried to answer "up to what distance is the 0.22 inch caliber deadly"
@@pariswashington5543it means that the 8.6 doesn’t have shit on a 22 suppressed setup. As far as center fire it may be the king but as far as throwing something with minimal sound to beat the 22 you would need a slingshot and ball bearings and even then the 22 might be quieter.
"I've ever heard" he said. He was in the military before modern ear pro. If I'm not mistaken during the time branch was implementing field ear pro which didn't work (and so nobody used it) and kept everyone in the dark for a decade kekw
@@tomtemple69quiet supersonic is very doable but requires an extremely long and slender projectile. There are supersonic aircraft that have almost no sonic boom at all. Incredible.
@echo2-2 aslong they had made MP5ad Super Silenced using 9mm sub sonic ammo.. a ball pen clicking was louder then MP5ad and the silenced ammo hat a realy thin rubber layer on the brass so the empty dident say ding ding when hitting stones on ground ... now that is quiet nothing new at all ... the crack you hear is the sonic boom from the bullit leawin the silencer nothing new about that again..
When Jim Rock was alive, he developed a single shot 30 caliber projectile in a 32 H&R brass as a toy for the teams for anti-sniper. You heard the trigger click, and then down range impact and steel, silhouette flip over. I ended up buying two of Jim Rock’s single shots in wildcat calibers. I’m sorry he has gone to the great gunsmith shop in the sky.
@@thelittledetailscr7231 if it’s so simple why didn’t you think of it first then 😂 Oh wait it probably took a team of people weeks or months to find the Goldilocks combo of existing rounds and rifling. Either through data crunching or extensive range testing, and then manufacturing the rifles and rounds for further testing, and clearly they’re still refining it. It’s not as simple as “stuff a 338 in a 6.5 that shit will be bonkers!!”
@@mercury4510 I'm a psychologist, so it is not my job to create new rounds. Plus I'm in California, so there is no use in creating subs as we can't have suppressors. What data is there to crunch? Fast burning powder like 300bo uses, neck up the case...only thing left is to see what twist works best.
Took me 14 years of off and on fighting with the VA to get up to 100%. The Ree boys are doing good work, I wish they'd been around when I was going through that battle.
I normally leave videos with as much tangent- talking as is in this video's opening. However, I paused the video at 2:50 to respond because of the opening capturing my attention, hey, enough to give me confidence to listen, learn and grow from the info presented on this platform (whether subjective or objective). Thanks!
Thanks for the heads up on that veterans assistance. My buddy is currently in the backlog with the VA. They dragging their feet get his paperwork through so he can get his percentage and finally get his benefits. Hopefully they can help him
Awesome introduction, as always! 😄 Not only is your content educational, but it is entertaining as well, keeping your audience engaged at all times. Keep up the great work guys!
I've only shot 8.6 once because a very nice gentleman on the range we were shooting at offered. It's one of the most unique shooting experiences I've had. Compared to the round shot, there is almost no recoil.
yo Garand ...I Just want to say thank you man these videos is so much fun and informative and i think a lot of people including my self love what your doing not for only the "fire arms " community but also for the viewers and many more ...your positive vibe is what people need and a lot of people watch your videos and use it as a way to escape stress, anxiety, depression... so thanks man ...really
@@beavismagnum7.62x39 doesn't run supers so there's no comparison there, it's only a handgun round power-wise. If you want subs that don't suck compared to rifles, you gotta go 458 socom, etc.
If garand thumb is the reason more manufacturers make 8.6 and it gets sammi standard I will be forever grateful. 2.50-3.00 bucks a round factory and 1.5 ish for reloads ain’t great right now.
@@lugia233 this is replacing 45-70, 44 msg and just sbout everything but 22 and 300 blackout for me. So buying 5-10k is not a good time right now. Either reloading components or factory ammo. Hopefully this video really kicks ammo components manufacturing into overdrive
They weren't using traditional lead/copper hollow points. The 8.6 only comes in solid monolithic projectiles due to the extreme twist rates. So all that is available is copper fragmenting subsonic. And they don't really work as advertised. I bought a bunch from gorilla in 300 blk and none of them fragmented in gel. That's why it is getting so much penetration. A 223 would penetrate with a similar projectile at that range.
@@jacktheaviator4938wait, what? Didn't he literally show us a hollow point with cuts on the side to ENSURE expansion, plus a huge cavity at the front? I still can't understand how the fmj sucked but the hollow point penetrated like that
They arent lead core. Solid copper made to expand at 1000fps. If you shot these are 2000 or 3000 fps they would prob just fly apart in the air bc they are made to expand so easily
I believe the extra rotation along with the bullet shape is helping it cut through the gel blocks as the bullet moves forward - leading to less loss of forward momentum on the bullet.
I was thinking the same thing. Like the difference between a drill bit and a nail going through a 2 x4. It's like it's screwing and chewing through rather than pushing.
I built an 8.6 in a AR10 platform when they first came out. I have been experimenting with different projectiles and I have found the hornady 285 grain ftx's shoot really well. For what it is I think it's an awesome rifle can't wait to go deer hunting with it this fall. I haven't shot a concrete wall with it but I have 3/8 steel and it almost went through with subs, it would have smoked it with supers.
Currently fighting the VA with REE Medical. Can confirm they are great to work with. Will follow up on this post once the process is finished if anyone else is curious.
Mike, really enjoying the evolution of your content. The decision to include Micah and Charlie is so clutch. Making it a fun time with bros, helps to bring your audience into the experience. Good job fellas!!
it is a shame you need something like ree medical, these women and men who have given it all for their country and they need extra support to get their rights fulfilled is a shame to the vets of America. But it is good you have ree to help you to get your needs fulfilled. all the respect to companies who aid veterans. I salute all US vets, you are all Heroes who gave your best. and that bullet is insane, keep the powder dry and your weapon clean and continue to show us what is out there. keep it up excellent work
@@davidmclennan9084 thank you so much i was looking for the name of the gun but didnt realize when he said Q i thought it was a brand name that sponsored him or something
It’s a mix of how fast the round is moving and the projectile itself not opening up. The projectile was moving just too slow to open up, and essentially is just a slug at that point
It's really not that much energy. The heavier bullets are around 300 grains traveling 1000fps which has around 650 ft/lbs of energy which is about the same as 357 mag/10mm auto from a revolver/pistol. Supers have 1800-1900 ft/lbs which is nothing to laugh at but that's your typical 30-30 winchester load. Like 300 blackout, this is meant to be as quiet as possible. The only way to get more power out of subsonic rounds is to add bullet weight which this accomplishes compared to 300 blk.
I took two hogs with my 8.6 BLK. Both passed straight through with a 225 CX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 1,800fps. Also, do not shoot traditional cup and core lead projectiles. I destroyed two suppressors experimenting with different bullets.
Wow! That is impressive. It will be interesting to see where this goes with more development! Thanks for the information about ReeMedical! I'll pass that along!
This video is evidence that you guys should be the definitive review on new cartridges and guns. The way you guys explain everything is a common sense picture in the mind.
Precise in their range applies to every round. 300 blackout started as a subsonic hunting cartridge. Considering nost assassinations performed with a firearm are performed at close quarters with non suppressed guns, the whole statement just seems a little poorly thought out.
When we went "downrange" and I heard the first round, I thought that's quite loud. Then I heard him loading the next round and the noise was about the same as the shot. Insane.
As a civilian my only reference for the VA is veteran friends I have and it blew my mind the stories they would tell me. A good friend of mine I met at gunsmith school was 26, fresh out of the Marines where he was an artillerymen and he was deaf as a hammer. Like extreme hearing loss for that age and when I asked if the VA would give him hearing aids he said they wouldn’t provide them till he had at least 80% hearing loss. Apparently he only had 78% or some shit, anyways that’s one of many stories I heard from all those guys and it just sounded like the VA was always a damn nightmare. All I know is we need to get that shit fixed before anyone puts any thought into free government run health care!
Currently building an 8.6BLK AR. Getting ahold of the barrel and finding the ammo, if you don't reload, are the hardest things to get. Faxon is the only one currently making barrels, they made the ones for Q for this rifle. Everything else is pretty much standard for a .308 build though, even the bcg.
Just a heads up to anyone reading this - I am also at near completion of an 8" 8.6blk LR-308 build. Currently, the barrel is back at Faxon for testing since 300gr SMKs are getting jammed into the lands of the barrel (I believe the freebore in the barrel was not cut long enough) and cannot be extracted manually without the bullet separating from the case. I found that setting the bullet into the case a few hundredths deeper resolves the issue. Will update with Faxon's response if I can remember lol
Finished mine, it's so awesome to shoot other than the price of ammo. Everyone I've let try it loves it, the bullet smacking the railroad tie backstop at 100 yards is louder than the gunshot when suppressed.
The whole reason I got into .300 Blackout was the fact the round fit in AR mags and worked in AR platforms. These days I have a really hard time justifying a new caliber being added to the collection, especially considering the cost of these rounds. For now I'll stick with my bolt action .300 and Honey Badger
That round literally drills through, like there was nothing there Wow! What an amazing round so far! Also we have grizzly bear, cougar around here. Already have a 300 Winchester magnum but it's not going to punch near as deep as this guy will. And all you guys thinking passed through is too far think about bones or skull you might have to punch through. It's not gel.
And that penetration makes it a terrible round for hunting and self defense. Pass through is energy wasted. The objective should always be to dissipate 100% of the energy in the target.
@@ElementofKindnessonly good for big game hunting at that point, but would have to see the energy delivered at the stop. Penetration is absolutely crazy, would like to some vests take a few rounds
You have never hunted if you don't think passthrough is important in hunting. Go watch some of the videos on how it performs on african game. Im sure you won't have issues with expansion when hitting a ribcage or shoulder of an elk.
@@ElementofKindnesscheck out discreet ballistics real-world tests on the high-rotational energy. It ensures the petals actually open up on hunting projectiles at subsonic velocities. The added benefit is a MUCH higher surface area in the wound channel, meaning more devestating bleeding. KB has plenty of animals taken on & off film with the 8.6.
I'm rooting so hard for 8.6 blackout. We need this cartridge, but I don't want to invest in a rifle until it's SAAMI spec'd and I know it'll be around for a while.
I have the same thoughts as Micha, but with unsuppressed 150gr .300 blackout. That delayed gunshot sound is way different from everything I've shot before. This 8.6 however, albeit with a can, is definitely something else entirely. Y'all should try this rifle out at a 1,000 yards suppressor and all.
I was impressed with the Fix when Ian first reviewed it, and now I’m even more impressed - both from the absurd penetration perspective (although how practical it is can be open to question) and how much fun it appears to be to shoot. I think it has the potential to be a very good scout rifle, certainly as a backup or secondary weapon in conjunction with something more general purpose. But then, I have odd ideas about what a practical use case for such weapons in a conflict scenario I - or someone else - might be involved in. And - perhaps more realistically in current usage - it seems to be intensely good fun.
@machinesandthings7121 Ease of finding ammo and bullet selection either manufactured or what I reload for myself. The 450BM can sling a 200gr over 2600fps or simply sling a 395gr at 1050fps for subsonic use. I do have a 458Socom and 50 beo to also play with, and both are great rounds and effective depending on your needs. The 450BM is just way more popular cartridge and feeding it easier than most other big bores. Never seen 458 in any store, seen 50beo twice in the last 5 or 6 years, 450 is everywhere, basically.
The subsonic hollow point might have been traveling too slow for expansion. But due to its mass carried enough inertia to push through all 3 gel blocks.
The twist rate compensates for the slow speed. Which is especially important for the supersonics at 725yd (which a mad lad managed to consistently shoot)
Literally the greatest intros of all of youtube history. Fcking love this guy. See you at the MAP festival guys. Well like not in the crowd but like on a roof top looking down at it with a scope 😉
The hollow points would give me cause for concern at anything that may be behind my target that I haven’t seen. That round looks like it’d hardly slow down going through 2-3 people.
Holy crap is that round and rifle setup absolutely crazy. Just imagine that rifle in an urban warzone(kind of like in the cities of Ukraine right now) and how absolutely terrifying that thing would be as a force multiplier when shooting from a position deep within a building or something. The enemy would legitimately never be able to discern where the fire was coming from during the day, and would only MAYBE have a slightly better chance at night with the proper nightvision or thermal setup. I bet you after the enemy sees a few of their buddies get absolutely smoked through their vests by that thing and not hear or see a god damn thing, theyd be moving quite differently after that. Would be pretty crazy to see what would happen in an active urban warzone if you had 5 or 6 guys equipped with one of those rifles spread out across a city, id imagine theyd be incredibly successful at stopping a force dead in its tracks, including some of their light armored vehicles. Would love to see a follow up video on the 8.6 as more R&D is done on it, and as more versions of the round are developed, plus itd just be plain fun to see how much penetration and damage it could do, whether it be on ballistic gel, a pig carcass, concrete wall, light armor, a car etc.
There's counter-sniper systems that will traces incoming bullets back to their source before a sniper's fist bullet hits. So even with a super quiet and deadly cartridge and suppressed rifle to go with it, a sniper better plan on changing his location immediately after his first shot. Preferably against the soldier with the anti-sniper detection equipment.
That’s not the kind of equipment that most have 🤣 unless you’re attempting to invade china or the US, I don’t think that system is something to worry about.
@@taraswertelecki3786 The counter sniper system needs to be deployed with microphones far apart to be accurate. It is mainly used to defend your bases. If you are going into a zone with enemies I don't think it works.
So a bolt action 300 BO is pretty darn quiet ---much quieter than in an AR platform. But...this is a very impressive round with some unique roles ahead.
The lore from garand thumb is better than most films produced in the past 3 years
Seriously. Someone needs to compile a Documentary titled "The Ballad of Flannel-Daddy"
explains why i constantly hang around on this channel and never went to the cinema in the last few years😄
He was trained by John Wick, and his SERE training involved Agent 47 as the enemy combatant.
30* years
Hollyweird sucks. Dang so called perverted writers can stay on strike forever. Lol
I would listen to you talk about (in anger) for 5 hours about the VA. Please hold them accountable, you have the platform
At least it's not the Canadian VA
The shit that the Canadian VA is pulling with coercing vets into euthanasia who are mentally incapable of properly agreeing to something of such a magnitude is absolutely sickening. @@Saanonymous80
They just offer you assistance to die. What an unbelievable disgrace.
The VA murdered my father. 2 tours in Vietnam, 27 years LEO. Not to mention the emotional toll on my family.
@@snafu4405the VA (and our leadership) treats our vets terrible. They used Agent Org in Vietnam knowing that it was toxic, yet 50 years later the US government still is fighting against vets for proper treatment. My dad is one of them.
Garand:"8.6 through 3 blocks, please stop."
The 8.6 round :"How bout nooo" 😂
8.6mm Blackout is like a honey badger that don't care, on steroids.
I love it! I bet it would probably work decently on 2A infringers.
"please stop"
8.6BLK
*bugs bunny no meme*
Bullets talk?
This is actually a bad thing. No expansion means 5.56 will do more damage to a human
@@Nurse_Xochitllolberts wanting to arm the enemy. What a doormat ideology
After seeing the RIDICULOUS penetration from that crazy fast twist, I really want to see this put through a battery of tests for barrier penetration. I'm talking sheet metal, windshields, solid wood door, plywood, exterior walls, even concrete block. Hell, toss in level 3a and level 3 body armor to the mix too. That would really drive home and give a great understanding of the real world penetration capabilities of this fascinating newer round.
I absolutely agree with this, I would love to see that test. I mean in all honesty, when in an urban scenario, you will be penetrating wood, concrete, cinderblock filled and empty, car doors, windows, windshields, armored glass, plate carriers, and drywall. I think this is a brilliant urban sniper, especially if it has massive penetration power! I’m sure once you break certain substances the round will be slowed and slightly pancaked making it a more damaging round after barrier break.
@chrisviviano3271 For sure. I think the applications in an urban setting for this round would be near limitless. I'm dying to see it tested lol.
Add to that how it penetrates ballistic helmets, thick metal, and vehicles. I suspect this cartridge will be proven in combat on the streets of Amerika during the coming civil war.
@@taraswertelecki3786my god man whts the matter with u 😅😅😅
It won't be a factor. The time til' full breakdown is just too short. It's not even in the hands of 1% of all US shooters.
Everytime Mike asks Micha to describe an item and Micah just says what he thinks about it. You can see Mike die a little everytime.
lmao! The look of fatherly disappointment on that man's face...
Yeah, but he got SDI right this time.
@@792slayer But he was dead wrong on the cowboy hat, it is so flattering on Mike, very manly and very chic... I bet his wife agrees heartily!
@@792slayeryour confusing Micah with Charlie
hey nice pfp
The VA has screwed so many over. Thanks for shining more light on the situation.
I did a 10 week pharmacy rotation at a VA while in college. Interesting place. And listening to some of the struggles now with trying to get care.😢
My Father was DAV from Viet Nam and the state of the local VA hospital was awful. The first time I went in there I was stunned.
I’m gonna sound stupid, but what does VA mean in this context?
Sadly, it is run as well as most government programs.
@@spaceman624Thanks!
That is ridiculous. I’ve never seen a round have this much penetrative power in ballistics gel . It cuts through like genuine butter. Amazing.
@notmefrfrOr ATF helmets... 😏
hard cast lead been doing it for ages
@@WayStedYouNot subsonic from a 5 pound gun
No expansion it appears
Nice fed post
Can we take a moment to appreciate how amazing the sound design was for the "Clever girl." scene from jurassic park, and how satisfying the sounds from loading the shots into the SPAS-12, to unfurling the stock was? That scene sticks out to me from every movie i've ever watched when it comes to satisfying and well thought out sound design. And kudos to you for refreshing that scene in my head.
8.6 is an absolute unit, its so crazy.
Laughs in 45 Raptor
8.6 is a sissy round
Ok “k-bob” 🤡
@@beandip9824 not sure what you think there is to argue about. They make .458 cal subsonic ammo and you can always just go supersonic
@@K-bob_45yes but we don't want to feel like mouthbreaters. 8.6 is for the refined gentleman who wants to kill endangered species for a the making of a good story.
I've never seen a round FLY through THREE ballistic gel blocks the way this did. That's beyond anything we see on a regular basis, and I can't wait to watch how popular this round becomes
It clearly has ass behind it. But ammo companies need to figure out how to get it to dump its energy. Right now for big game it’s fine especially for a subsonic. I’m confident discreet ballistics, as well as others, will find the sweet spot.
Right ? I bust out laughing, when it went through the 3rd one lmao.
yeah flying straight though humans is not so good@@TacticoolPenguin
@@XBullitt16X Good against a crowd of zombies
@@XBullitt16X Unless that human has body armor, then it's perfect for making some bad guys regret their lifes.
Never heard of Ree but I want to just say I appreciate what they're doing. My grandpa was drafted into the Navy in Vietnam and has fought with the VA tirelessly for benefits. Appreciate you guys.
My uncle was drafted into the army for Vietnam, later died of complications likely caused by agent orange exposure. The VA was less than useless. And of course they never would admit that AO had anything to do with it. F the VA.
My son is an RN at the local VA. He also is a Vet himself. Even he has problems getting appointments and cooperation. (You would think he would have some inside pull) The major problems are: 1-Manditory Paperwork, 2-No sense of urgency, 3-Dealing with secure seated civilian staff members who don't care. 4- Heavy layers of Federal Bureaucracy.
It is even worse when you get drafted and they don't pay up. Like, hello, I literally did not sign up for this crap.
I just got a call from the VA last Saturday. They didn't leave a voice mail...on a Saturday. Want to bet my record says "tried to contact, patient never returned call."?
They are masters at dodging phones. I've called an office I was sitting in waiting for a "walk-ins welcome" appointment and watched them not answer it.
@@guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077 Some say one of the modern schemes in the Biden admin to cover up political crimes is to start a war and then draft mass Americans into a war that can't be won, which would guarantee mass Americans who know too much will perish.
my last job was upgrading the VAs network switches, and it really opened my eyes to how horrible the system is for Veterans. I, as a 21 year old loser was making more off the VA as a contractor than employees that had been there for decades. All that in addition to the "facilities" that were at least 20 years behind on average. absolutely despicable how little they actually care.
If you think about it, it's actually the perfect real world application of fully government run healthcare
@@jh5131What do you mean by fully run? Because living in a country with a socialized healthcare, it's not like that at all (Japan), although private hospitals do exist (and you can use the national health insurance system with them anyway).
@@Keepone974 That is your government, and your culture. Japan still believes in things like dedication to one's work and integrity. Perhaps to a fault in some cases.
The USA is nothing like Japan, and nothing like the USA anymore unfortunately.
Also, politicians and people make it seem like we lack socialized healthcare in the US. We don't.
My father applied for state health insurance for the first time when he had a cancer diagnosis, and it changed my opinion on socialized medicine.
However, that's one experience. I know people from Canada with both good/bad stories of social medical.
@@jh5131 Facts, and that's a terrifying thought. I don't think I've known anyone with good things to say about VA healthcare. It actually seems like active-duty gets a totally different level of care. I dated a girl in the military and she had "Tri-Care" insurance I think? It seemed pretty good, but we also lived just outside of many major military/govt installations.
@@drownthepoorhealth care up here has been pretty great for me anecdotally.
I suppose it could be bad if your family doctor is dog shit, it’s not the easiest to switch I believe
Cool! The 8.6 is pretty slick. I'm glad to see more people doing videos on it.
Bro you did not read it that fast it 21 min long
Needs that dopamine hit that comes from a potential notice by senpai
That's how marketing works.
I was a little surprised. It seemed like it would be low speed easy, but hot damn that energy was nasty!
@TheDoorspook11c ballistic gel makes anything look crazy in slow motion.
8.6 subs are about 700 foot pounds and 300 blackout subs are about 600 foot pounds with 220 grain projectiles so it's really only a 100 foot pound increase but you also trade that for mag capacity.
I appreciate Micah's attempt at Charlie humor but no one can match his delivery 😂 Love it guys!
You put into words my thoughts.
Soooooo true
Where is Charlie?
@@Zed0086 no clue, I hope just taking some time off
@@Zed0086 got slaved by the good folks over at Sweaty Disabled Idiots
So sad REE Medical has to exist, and so grateful they do.. So sad REE Medical has to exist, and so grateful they do..
The sound from that suppressed 8.6 round actually sounds like the made up suppressed sound they use in movies and games. Just a POP... impressive.
I wonder how much of the signature is just from the primer pop. It's not nothing, we knew that as far back as WW2 when they were developing the DeLisle carbine.... Which, when you think about it, this comes close to being an updated version of.
Accuracy international makes rifles as quiet as these for many years.
@@vinkniv those things cost you as much as a car);
@@propanetankhank9588 I didnt know that. My friend was in Dutch special forces and told me they had an AW covert integrally suppressed sniper and it was whisper quiet. That was roughly 10 years ago.
@@vinknivOh so Arctic Warfare is a kind of product line from Accuracy International or am i messing up nomenclature?
Almost didn't even look like the round would stop in the ballistic gel no matter how many blocks you set up. Looked like it was a rocket propelled drill, and zoomed out the other side like it was having a lovely, lovely day. One of the coolest ballistic gel tests I've seen for a round.
I'd like to see it hit plates or a sheet of plywood or something else hard b4 the gel and see what happens.
How smooth that round goes through the gel honestly looks like cheap CGI which kinda freaks me out. That's absolutely incredible and I love it.
i was thinking the same thing hahah this is crazy
aka these expensive "guaranteed to expand" bullets don't perform for shit lol
@@paintballplayer700idk about this because I'm no gunsmith, but in my opinion it's not a good way to prove that since this is a very new round still in development
that's because it is CGI
Ever seen something slow, heavy, with a flat nose go through gel? Like a WFN hard-cast .45-70 slug?
I really want one of these! The 300 BKO had the same overpenetration issues when it came out, as most bullets are designed to penetrate and expand properly at fast supersonic velocities. A few years ago we were shooting 6.5 Creedmoor at muzzle velocities of around 3000 fps. At 100-200 yards they were penetrating and expanding to about 16-18 inches in ballistic gelatin. At 1000+ yards, they were not expanding and penetrating more than 36 inches.
With the 300 BKO, it performed much better at closer ranges once bullets were developed that were designed to penetrate and expand at subsonic velocities. So this round will be better once those bullets become available to perform at subsonic.
It is cheap pistol. Get yourself one of these machine guns
The fact we need Reemedical is absolutely sickening. Kudos to you guys!❤
Agree.
Anyone medically discharged should receive full pay and benefits tax free for life.
I used them. It’s better to pay $2k and get 100% than to have DAV take $10k out of my backpay.
Same with Wounded Warrior and all the other veterans assistance programs. VA should handle it all without a problem to the vetrans and no need for other charities. So much wrong with how we do things through government.
@@dontask8979 Welcome to average Europa land lmfao
I agree on that fact I don't imagine living that US way ,-,
@@nagsal1600don’t worry, we can’t imagine living in the uk land either. It’s why we separated over 200 years ago from ya.
.338 BLK would be a cooler name and match .300BLK stablished nomenclature, since nobody calls it the 7.62x35
Nah, bro. We need to keep bullets as confusing as possible.
Gotta make the nerds who know this shit feel good about themselves.
Whoa there, partner, we can't go disturbing the Fudds and Ludds by having sensible ideas, now can we? ;)
8.6mm has a more menacing sound to it. I know it's the same measurement but for some reason I feel like it better emphasizes the bigness of the round.
Maybe because people are used to considering 7.62 a "big" bullet so a bullet bigger feels scarier.
I’m pretty sure KB did it this way specifically to annoy people
More effort goes into making these videos than my entire life. And we thank you
Your entire life has lead up to that epic comment.
You put more effort into one second of your life than I've put into twenty years of mine.
Forgotten weapons did it first lol
I agree 😂
So are you saying, you're a low achiever?
Always appreciate garand due to his no nonsense nature and saying what others are scared to but what everyone wants to hear. How good does a round stop people, yes. . .
GT: “it’s the quietest combination I’ve ever heard.”
.22LR 20” barrel, with 12” can: “am I a joke to you?”
What is all that mean
@@pariswashington5543if you know you know. Look up subsonic 22lr long-range with suppressors.
@@pariswashington5543 it's in freedom units, heres the conversion:
0.22 inch diameter round fired from a 20 inch barrel gun with an additional 12 inches of suppressor.
i think they shot this in the episode where they tried to answer "up to what distance is the 0.22 inch caliber deadly"
@@pariswashington5543it means that the 8.6 doesn’t have shit on a 22 suppressed setup. As far as center fire it may be the king but as far as throwing something with minimal sound to beat the 22 you would need a slingshot and ball bearings and even then the 22 might be quieter.
"I've ever heard" he said. He was in the military before modern ear pro. If I'm not mistaken during the time branch was implementing field ear pro which didn't work (and so nobody used it) and kept everyone in the dark for a decade kekw
I am impressed at how rounds and guns themselves are getting quieter and quieter as time goes on. Fascinating stuff
the limiting factor is they have to keep the round subsonic
It's the expensive Can & sub-sonic loads.
@@tomtemple69quiet supersonic is very doable but requires an extremely long and slender projectile. There are supersonic aircraft that have almost no sonic boom at all. Incredible.
@echo2-2 aslong they had made MP5ad Super Silenced
using 9mm sub sonic ammo.. a ball pen clicking was louder then MP5ad
and the silenced ammo hat a realy thin rubber layer on the brass so the
empty dident say ding ding when hitting stones on ground ... now that is quiet
nothing new at all ... the crack you hear is the sonic boom from the bullit leawin the silencer
nothing new about that again..
@@tomtemple69 Not necessarily. In theory if your projectile is thin enough the sonic boom should be very quiet.
When Jim Rock was alive, he developed a single shot 30 caliber projectile in a 32 H&R brass as a toy for the teams for anti-sniper. You heard the trigger click, and then down range impact and steel, silhouette flip over. I ended up buying two of Jim Rock’s single shots in wildcat calibers. I’m sorry he has gone to the great gunsmith shop in the sky.
what is an "anti-sniper"? anything like a "counter sniper"?
1-3 twist. Right or left hand turn/ twist ??? This video is a mind blower with the 8.6 and light weight AR set up.
The 8.6 has been my most thought about round since I heard about it, I expect a lot of cool things in the future based on this tech.
I don't know if there is much tech to it. It's a 6.5 creedmoor case necked up to 338 with a fast twist barrel. That it.
@@thelittledetailscr7231 if it’s so simple why didn’t you think of it first then 😂
Oh wait it probably took a team of people weeks or months to find the Goldilocks combo of existing rounds and rifling. Either through data crunching or extensive range testing, and then manufacturing the rifles and rounds for further testing, and clearly they’re still refining it.
It’s not as simple as “stuff a 338 in a 6.5 that shit will be bonkers!!”
@@mercury4510 I'm a psychologist, so it is not my job to create new rounds. Plus I'm in California, so there is no use in creating subs as we can't have suppressors.
What data is there to crunch? Fast burning powder like 300bo uses, neck up the case...only thing left is to see what twist works best.
@@mercury4510 Since you’re such an expert, I guess you came up with 8.6.
Everything seems simple after it's been invented
I am surprised you didn’t shoot an armor plate with it. That’s the biggest test we need to see now 👍🏻
more vids on this i guess
This
Kept that for demoranch 😂
It’ll get banned asap
@@rockon772 probably, but he’d post insta reels later in the week and we’d have all the answers we need. (I’d prefer a 30 minute video though 😂)
Took me 14 years of off and on fighting with the VA to get up to 100%. The Ree boys are doing good work, I wish they'd been around when I was going through that battle.
I normally leave videos with as much tangent- talking as is in this video's opening. However, I paused the video at 2:50 to respond because of the opening capturing my attention, hey, enough to give me confidence to listen, learn and grow from the info presented on this platform (whether subjective or objective). Thanks!
I can't get over Mike's face when Micah went full Charlie with the signature reduction explanation!!😂😂
You can tell he's thinking about the edit at this point. He knows he has to maintain a straight face for at least a few seconds before he breaks. 😆
Super happy to see the REE medical clip. Can’t recommend them enough! They helped me immensely after getting pounded by the VA for years.
Thanks for the heads up on that veterans assistance. My buddy is currently in the backlog with the VA. They dragging their feet get his paperwork through so he can get his percentage and finally get his benefits. Hopefully they can help him
Awesome introduction, as always! 😄 Not only is your content educational, but it is entertaining as well, keeping your audience engaged at all times. Keep up the great work guys!
Mike as always demonstrates that he's the realest guy on this app, W for supporting screwed over Vets. Keep up the good work guys!
What app?
@@eriklarson9137 UA-cam is an app for mobile so he's likely talking about that.
@@eriklarson9137 most use their phone
@@eriklarson9137 ytb
@@eriklarson9137 youtube on mobile devices is an app, not a website.
Honestly VERY curious to see how this new round evolves into the AR platform. I’m a HUGE 300BLK fan. This intrigues me greatly
Faxon makes AR10 barrels, the rest of the parts are normal AR10/15 parts
Gorilla n faxon have been pumping full builds do almost8 months
See also: Q Boombox
I truly think these would be badass on AK platform
im shocked, the spin is mind boggling
Cutting the weight of an big game rifle down that much is incredible. Imagine how much nicer a hunt will be without a dinosaur on your back.
If you surrender to the wind, you can ride it.
Mike love your videos, and its awesome seeing REE Medical on your channel they helped me get from 60% to 100%.
man i just gotta say you’re one of the best firearm youtubers, top tier quality my friend
Am I the only person that is noticing that Garand Thumb has tons more tats every video? Went from none to 2 sleeves pretty quickly
he was on instagram live a couple days ago getting one lol
Previous "job" probably didn't allow it.
Steroids too
There’s a tattoo artist in Idaho who’s been very busy.
He’s been hanging around post Malone too much
Thanks for shining light on the VA situation.
I've only shot 8.6 once because a very nice gentleman on the range we were shooting at offered. It's one of the most unique shooting experiences I've had. Compared to the round shot, there is almost no recoil.
You were shooting at the nice gentleman?
@@vanderwallstronghold8905 I don't think he would take very kindly to me doing that, lol!
I shot one for the first time a couple of days ago and was really impressed!
@@mikeovercast9799The gentleman?
yo Garand ...I Just want to say thank you man
these videos is so much fun and informative
and i think a lot of people including my self love what your doing not for only the "fire arms " community but also for the viewers and many more ...your positive vibe is what people need and a lot of people watch your videos and use it as a way to escape stress, anxiety, depression...
so thanks man ...really
I was always wondering why this round existed, but now it looks fun.
First was 7.62x39 but worse, now we have 9x39 but worse
@@beavismagnum Blackouts don’t require big curvy magazines so you can actually carry multiple magazines.
@@beavismagnum7.62x39 doesn't run supers so there's no comparison there, it's only a handgun round power-wise. If you want subs that don't suck compared to rifles, you gotta go 458 socom, etc.
I REALLY want to see what this does to armor after seeing it go through three blocks like they weren't even there.
Good to see Ree Medical on your show. I hired them a few months ago and am in the middle of the process.
If garand thumb is the reason more manufacturers make 8.6 and it gets sammi standard I will be forever grateful. 2.50-3.00 bucks a round factory and 1.5 ish for reloads ain’t great right now.
I was just about to research building one. Thanks for saving me some time haha
Man as a big time magnum guy that is cheap haha
@@lugia233 this is replacing 45-70, 44 msg and just sbout everything but 22 and 300 blackout for me. So buying 5-10k is not a good time right now. Either reloading components or factory ammo.
Hopefully this video really kicks ammo components manufacturing into overdrive
@@Swissk31300BO why is this round replacing so many? explain
@@brighthought11 did u watch the video?
Those 8.6 hollowpoints are likely moving too slow to get expansion and are supercavitating decreasing drag and resistance through the gel.
They weren't using traditional lead/copper hollow points. The 8.6 only comes in solid monolithic projectiles due to the extreme twist rates. So all that is available is copper fragmenting subsonic. And they don't really work as advertised. I bought a bunch from gorilla in 300 blk and none of them fragmented in gel. That's why it is getting so much penetration. A 223 would penetrate with a similar projectile at that range.
@@jacktheaviator4938ummm what are you talking about, looks like a hollow point to me 1:20
@@jacktheaviator4938wait, what? Didn't he literally show us a hollow point with cuts on the side to ENSURE expansion, plus a huge cavity at the front? I still can't understand how the fmj sucked but the hollow point penetrated like that
@@PedroHenrique-xm1ytexactly
They arent lead core. Solid copper made to expand at 1000fps. If you shot these are 2000 or 3000 fps they would prob just fly apart in the air bc they are made to expand so easily
I believe the extra rotation along with the bullet shape is helping it cut through the gel blocks as the bullet moves forward - leading to less loss of forward momentum on the bullet.
I was thinking the same thing. Like the difference between a drill bit and a nail going through a 2 x4. It's like it's screwing and chewing through rather than pushing.
I built an 8.6 in a AR10 platform when they first came out. I have been experimenting with different projectiles and I have found the hornady 285 grain ftx's shoot really well. For what it is I think it's an awesome rifle can't wait to go deer hunting with it this fall. I haven't shot a concrete wall with it but I have 3/8 steel and it almost went through with subs, it would have smoked it with supers.
Where did u get ur upper from?
I used the Aero M5 upper and lower. Whatever you do, don't cerakote the inside of the upper receiver.@@eidtnaci
This round introduces reduced minimap visibility when firing 8.6, especially when Ghillie suit is equipped
Be careful saying that. The fbi may send 50 agents to your house. 😅
@@guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077 it’s a call of duty joke. I doubt even the fbi is so stupid they can’t figure that one out
Don’t forget about the slower ADS, sprint speed, and damage because of the suppressor 😜
@@fracturedrealitygaming1326Frankly, I wouldn't bet against the FBI being that stupid; they've shown themselves to be pretty damn subhuman.
The feds play cod
So sad REE Medical has to exist, and so grateful they do.
everyone i've seen that shoots this gun is blown away by it. i can't wait to get my hands on one.
Currently fighting the VA with REE Medical. Can confirm they are great to work with. Will follow up on this post once the process is finished if anyone else is curious.
How much they charge for their services?
I have had my 2 8.6s for a year now and I love both my fix and ar10 they are very quiet
Mike, really enjoying the evolution of your content. The decision to include Micah and Charlie is so clutch. Making it a fun time with bros, helps to bring your audience into the experience. Good job fellas!!
it is a shame you need something like ree medical, these women and men who have given it all for their country and they need extra support to get their rights fulfilled is a shame to the vets of America. But it is good you have ree to help you to get your needs fulfilled. all the respect to companies who aid veterans. I salute all US vets, you are all Heroes who gave your best.
and that bullet is insane, keep the powder dry and your weapon clean and continue to show us what is out there. keep it up excellent work
Jeez that rifle is incredible, just that whole setup from the optic to the round... Envy!
what rifle is it?
@@SamI-jk5vt Q Fix if you havent found the answer yet
@@davidmclennan9084 thank you so much i was looking for the name of the gun but didnt realize when he said Q i thought it was a brand name that sponsored him or something
Insane round with huge energy. I was shocked when it went straight through three ballistics gels.
Not that high energy, just massive energy retention. Note how the blocks barely shook.
It’s a mix of how fast the round is moving and the projectile itself not opening up. The projectile was moving just too slow to open up, and essentially is just a slug at that point
Discreet ballistics makes fantastic opening subs. But yeah, they didn’t expand for some reason here.
It's really not that much energy. The heavier bullets are around 300 grains traveling 1000fps which has around 650 ft/lbs of energy which is about the same as 357 mag/10mm auto from a revolver/pistol. Supers have 1800-1900 ft/lbs which is nothing to laugh at but that's your typical 30-30 winchester load. Like 300 blackout, this is meant to be as quiet as possible. The only way to get more power out of subsonic rounds is to add bullet weight which this accomplishes compared to 300 blk.
Loved the CAMERA GUY'S response for SIGNATURE REDUCTION!!!! I never saw GT that QUIET that LONG....
I took two hogs with my 8.6 BLK. Both passed straight through with a 225 CX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 1,800fps. Also, do not shoot traditional cup and core lead projectiles. I destroyed two suppressors experimenting with different bullets.
Wow! That is impressive. It will be interesting to see where this goes with more development! Thanks for the information about ReeMedical! I'll pass that along!
We grately appreciate word-of-mouth and referrals! We offer free consultations for all of our services.
@@REEMedicalVets I cannot begin to put into words how grateful I am for the work you guys do. Incredible, thank you!
Solid dad advice! Micah should have his own 80’s sitcom!
This video is evidence that you guys should be the definitive review on new cartridges and guns. The way you guys explain everything is a common sense picture in the mind.
The BEST content that I always can't wait to see! The subtle comedy always makes my day as well! Great job Mike and Micah!
@Grand Thumb
need a follow up on this with ballistics from different types of ammo
300 and 8.6 blackout are straight up assassin rounds. quiet and precise in their range
I mean, .300 was made for the seals, so you aren’t wrong
Precise in their range applies to every round. 300 blackout started as a subsonic hunting cartridge. Considering nost assassinations performed with a firearm are performed at close quarters with non suppressed guns, the whole statement just seems a little poorly thought out.
When we went "downrange" and I heard the first round, I thought that's quite loud. Then I heard him loading the next round and the noise was about the same as the shot. Insane.
@@ryanhamstra49 we're not using clubs anymore?
looks like headshots are back on the table 😄
Great video, great rifle, but also a great sponsor. I used REE medical for my own claim and everything went perfectly. Highly recommend.
"I don't know, man, I think I'm just a little bit lost"
I felt that.
SIGNATURE REDUCTION explanation was on point. He would make a good high school teacher.
As a civilian my only reference for the VA is veteran friends I have and it blew my mind the stories they would tell me. A good friend of mine I met at gunsmith school was 26, fresh out of the Marines where he was an artillerymen and he was deaf as a hammer. Like extreme hearing loss for that age and when I asked if the VA would give him hearing aids he said they wouldn’t provide them till he had at least 80% hearing loss. Apparently he only had 78% or some shit, anyways that’s one of many stories I heard from all those guys and it just sounded like the VA was always a damn nightmare.
All I know is we need to get that shit fixed before anyone puts any thought into free government run health care!
Can we take a minute to appreciate that next little dad joke that Micah made. Now that he's a dad the power has been fully realized
He'll reach his true final form once someone touches the thermostat.
For armor piercing - they could just put a drill bit on the tip given its rotation speed..
Its*
It would come out flying from that **tarded twist-rate and - likely - off-center bit (as it would be a nightmare to get it perfectly centered).
@@RealMTBAddictAndroid autocomplete puts the apostrophe in automatically, which is fucking annoying.
@@skepticalbadger yep mine does it too. Gotta stay vigilant because the grammar General is here lol
08:10 That bullet literally came out of the gel and had just enough gel contact to be pulled back in....
Did anybody else see the flash ignition in the gel for the 8.6 FMJ that’s cool asf, I think all the air compressing in the gel superheated it 11:18
Good eye. Insane
5:05
"When it *enters a human body* it does crazy [ __ ] and I *can't wait to show you guys that* ."
WE ARE STILL WAITING!
"How would you describe the 8.6 blackout? " ..." Like a .338 whisper "
For anybody wondering, the rifle Mike is using is the:
Q - The Fix 8.6 Blackout 16"
Appears to be the 12'' version, can you confirm that is the 16 ?
he even said in the video it’s a 12 inch barrel
Currently building an 8.6BLK AR. Getting ahold of the barrel and finding the ammo, if you don't reload, are the hardest things to get. Faxon is the only one currently making barrels, they made the ones for Q for this rifle. Everything else is pretty much standard for a .308 build though, even the bcg.
Just a heads up to anyone reading this - I am also at near completion of an 8" 8.6blk LR-308 build. Currently, the barrel is back at Faxon for testing since 300gr SMKs are getting jammed into the lands of the barrel (I believe the freebore in the barrel was not cut long enough) and cannot be extracted manually without the bullet separating from the case. I found that setting the bullet into the case a few hundredths deeper resolves the issue. Will update with Faxon's response if I can remember lol
Finished mine, it's so awesome to shoot other than the price of ammo. Everyone I've let try it loves it, the bullet smacking the railroad tie backstop at 100 yards is louder than the gunshot when suppressed.
The whole reason I got into .300 Blackout was the fact the round fit in AR mags and worked in AR platforms.
These days I have a really hard time justifying a new caliber being added to the collection, especially considering the cost of these rounds.
For now I'll stick with my bolt action .300 and Honey Badger
8.6 is the same concept in 308 bolt and gas guns, all you need is a barrel swap just like 300 blk in 556 guns.
Micah went full Charlie on that signature reduction statement 😂
That round literally drills through, like there was nothing there Wow! What an amazing round so far!
Also we have grizzly bear, cougar around here. Already have a 300 Winchester magnum but it's not going to punch near as deep as this guy will. And all you guys thinking passed through is too far think about bones or skull you might have to punch through. It's not gel.
And that penetration makes it a terrible round for hunting and self defense. Pass through is energy wasted. The objective should always be to dissipate 100% of the energy in the target.
@@ElementofKindnessonly good for big game hunting at that point, but would have to see the energy delivered at the stop. Penetration is absolutely crazy, would like to some vests take a few rounds
You have never hunted if you don't think passthrough is important in hunting. Go watch some of the videos on how it performs on african game. Im sure you won't have issues with expansion when hitting a ribcage or shoulder of an elk.
@@ElementofKindnesscheck out discreet ballistics real-world tests on the high-rotational energy. It ensures the petals actually open up on hunting projectiles at subsonic velocities. The added benefit is a MUCH higher surface area in the wound channel, meaning more devestating bleeding. KB has plenty of animals taken on & off film with the 8.6.
Engery dump is based upon round type. It depends on the round design.
Discreet ammo is phenomenal for subsonic applications. I haven’t found a better round for my 300 blk, waiting for 8.6!
I'm rooting so hard for 8.6 blackout. We need this cartridge, but I don't want to invest in a rifle until it's SAAMI spec'd and I know it'll be around for a while.
Just get a reloading station… 6.5 CM casing is not too hard to come by…
Need is a strong word lol
I don't get the hype. 350 legend can throw a heavier bullet out of a smaller action at the same speed.
I don't get the hype. 350 legend can throw a heavier bullet out of a smaller action at the same speed.
I don't get the hype. 350 legend can throw a heavier bullet out of a smaller action at the same speed.
You made a good point, that high pierce would be interesting to test against lvl 3.
I have the same thoughts as Micha, but with unsuppressed 150gr .300 blackout. That delayed gunshot sound is way different from everything I've shot before. This 8.6 however, albeit with a can, is definitely something else entirely. Y'all should try this rifle out at a 1,000 yards suppressor and all.
Might need 22 man for that
@@williwonti Oh God I hope not unless he's willing to come back to the channel
I feel like they could have ran the bolt and sent a second round before the first ding
I was impressed with the Fix when Ian first reviewed it, and now I’m even more impressed - both from the absurd penetration perspective (although how practical it is can be open to question) and how much fun it appears to be to shoot.
I think it has the potential to be a very good scout rifle, certainly as a backup or secondary weapon in conjunction with something more general purpose.
But then, I have odd ideas about what a practical use case for such weapons in a conflict scenario I - or someone else - might be involved in.
And - perhaps more realistically in current usage - it seems to be intensely good fun.
The 8.6 caught my attention the first time I saw it for hunting applications. I settled on a 450 BM running subsonic/suppressed.
Why did you choose that over 458 Socom?
@machinesandthings7121
Ease of finding ammo and bullet selection either manufactured or what I reload for myself.
The 450BM can sling a 200gr over 2600fps or simply sling a 395gr at 1050fps for subsonic use.
I do have a 458Socom and 50 beo to also play with, and both are great rounds and effective depending on your needs. The 450BM is just way more popular cartridge and feeding it easier than most other big bores.
Never seen 458 in any store, seen 50beo twice in the last 5 or 6 years, 450 is everywhere, basically.
@@davidl416black butterfly makes some insane hunting loads for 450bm and 458socom
Big ups to Ree, doing the work that really matters. Not all heroes wear capes 🙌🙏🙌 Hooah
Awesome video too
Insane engineering is done on this round..excellent work
The subsonic hollow point might have been traveling too slow for expansion. But due to its mass carried enough inertia to push through all 3 gel blocks.
Those projectiles were designed to expand upon impact with fluid, ballistic gel is not fluid. There i fixed it, now you are smarter.
@@investigativeoutcomes9343 interesting 🤔, so every other hollow point is designed to expand in gel then?
@@investigativeoutcomes9343except that ballistic gel is specifically designed for testing ammunition... Which includes hollowpoints.
The twist rate compensates for the slow speed. Which is especially important for the supersonics at 725yd (which a mad lad managed to consistently shoot)
those bullets he is using are designed to only expand in fluid. you know like blood filled muscle with stringy tendons and warm fat.@@GregNTech
Literally the greatest intros of all of youtube history. Fcking love this guy. See you at the MAP festival guys. Well like not in the crowd but like on a roof top looking down at it with a scope 😉
That's literally your opinion. Which means nothing lol
The spin also adds mass to the materials that are spinning.
Great video. Check out 375 Raptor. Same concept but bigger bullets.
we 100% will!
The hollow points would give me cause for concern at anything that may be behind my target that I haven’t seen. That round looks like it’d hardly slow down going through 2-3 people.
What u don't want those call of duty collaterals?
Was that the hollow point in the first ballistics test they did? Tbh I thought "magnum" was something else
@@Scroolewse The first, second and third ballistics gel tests, lol.
@@Token_Black_Guy nope and I wouldn’t want the manslaughter charges either.
@@SpookEOD oh wtf why did a hollow point round do that
Holy crap is that round and rifle setup absolutely crazy. Just imagine that rifle in an urban warzone(kind of like in the cities of Ukraine right now) and how absolutely terrifying that thing would be as a force multiplier when shooting from a position deep within a building or something. The enemy would legitimately never be able to discern where the fire was coming from during the day, and would only MAYBE have a slightly better chance at night with the proper nightvision or thermal setup. I bet you after the enemy sees a few of their buddies get absolutely smoked through their vests by that thing and not hear or see a god damn thing, theyd be moving quite differently after that. Would be pretty crazy to see what would happen in an active urban warzone if you had 5 or 6 guys equipped with one of those rifles spread out across a city, id imagine theyd be incredibly successful at stopping a force dead in its tracks, including some of their light armored vehicles.
Would love to see a follow up video on the 8.6 as more R&D is done on it, and as more versions of the round are developed, plus itd just be plain fun to see how much penetration and damage it could do, whether it be on ballistic gel, a pig carcass, concrete wall, light armor, a car etc.
There's counter-sniper systems that will traces incoming bullets back to their source before a sniper's fist bullet hits. So even with a super quiet and deadly cartridge and suppressed rifle to go with it, a sniper better plan on changing his location immediately after his first shot. Preferably against the soldier with the anti-sniper detection equipment.
@taraswertelecki3786 but is that equipment something the average Russian squad or even platoon would have access to?
That’s not the kind of equipment that most have 🤣 unless you’re attempting to invade china or the US, I don’t think that system is something to worry about.
@@taraswertelecki3786 The counter sniper system needs to be deployed with microphones far apart to be accurate. It is mainly used to defend your bases. If you are going into a zone with enemies I don't think it works.
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So a bolt action 300 BO is pretty darn quiet ---much quieter than in an AR platform. But...this is a very impressive round with some unique roles ahead.