Old tools tend to be stronger because of the lack of computer aided design in the past. Nowadays, you can design something with just precisely the amount material needed to get the job done, no more, no less. Older stuff tends to have a hefty safety margin to account for any possible error in calculations.
I would have refurbished the 1970 Jack with new seals and fresh oil, and sand blasted the casing ready for a respray. It would have lasted another 50 years.
the old ones are beasts, i have one really similar to yours and a bigger one, both work for really well and for several years already. No matter what u pick up with it, it just doesnt break
@@ianrobertson3419 In lot of cases, old equipment is more realiable than new one unless it ends up under hydraulic press. Back in the day things were build to last, these days things are build to crack after warranty voids. In some cases new stuff dont even last that long so in my case, i would rather put my trust into old equipment then new one. But this is just my opinion based on experience.
@@ianrobertson3419 that old jack was pure gold and would have done a great job for many more centuries.. the modern pieces of shit shouldnt be used after a while, cuz they break way too fast.. Back then stuff was build to last, nowadays its quantity over quality.. Also back in the day when the good stuff was still arround, the "it shouldnt be used after x/y years" was propaganda to make people throw away tools that would have outlived like 10 new ones..
Although it would have been more expensive, it would have been interesting to see how a good quality modern jack, of the same type, would have faired instead of a cheapo.
5 million people saw this video and now know the old jack is better than the new. This one jack gave it's life but probably saved dozens of others from the landfill in the process.
As a mechanical engineer, I can point to the fact that the difference in weight of the device itself is a good indicator of the load bearing capacity. What you also see is that the chinese one is made mainly of sheet metal (i.e. cheap), versus casted parts for the 1970 one. This shows also that the 1970 one is way more costly to produce. When you would calculate the cost for producing - in a large series - such a casted jack in 2021, you would for sure be way more expensive than the sheet metal one. What I am saying here is that the 15 usd that you paid for the 1970 jack is a very good deal.
@@McDonough_Georgia welds are often stronger than the surrounding material. And the split is far too clean for it to follow a weld. No, i would be that it was cut from a long piece seamless pipe. It would be the logical choice of construction, cheap and reliable.
@@McDonough_Georgia if the surface is prepared correctly for painting, rust should be a nonissue, that being said, a lot of companies or employees skimp on this part, thats why it always rusts on the weld.
I love how hydraulic press videos always say "don't try at home" at the begging as if the average person just has a 500 ton hydraulic press at their house.
I agree! And then it would be a bear to drag up my sloped driveway which is deteriorating from shoddy concrete and years of frost heave. I wouldnt have room for something that big anyway. That guy must think we are all rich like him. What gets me, is that im old school and dont know whiddly about all that metric garbage. Keep that metric stuff overseas where it belongs!
I always stop at antique shops and fish out old tools. I love the fact they would have been used by proper tradesmen and wonder about the work they did and where those guys might be now....those old tools are a piece of history....if only they could talk...
@@jeremymcadam7400 I would like to see...not doubting what you say but to appreciate the work. I thought all decorative stone or cement was cast nowadays....
@@herbiee22 there is plenty of that, but it's not nearly as good and not a whole lot cheaper. There was 1 other apprentice that did restoration in my year at TAFE 5 years ago, it's definitely a dying art
That jack was a year younger than me. Good to know that my dad's jack (may he rest in piece) from the 50's or 60's that is still working is at least as strong as that 1070's jack. They used to make things that lasted back then, unlike that cheap jack from China. Bit sad to see that jack destroyed, but good information.
Watching 1970s jack die felt like watching the terminator descend into the molten steel , rest well you've earned it. In all seriousness it wouldve done even better if it was refurbished .
@@assordante2205 Believe it or not you can still find seals for the older hydraulic jacks because most of these manufactures are designing close to the same internal specs from the older builds plus it saves them money to not reinvent the wheel redesigning O-rings and other internal seals. I just rebuilt a 40 year old 20 ton jack and I was concerned I wouldn't find replacement parts. Even without a model number all you have to do is measure the piston and even the worn out seals and you're in the house. The guy explained to me that most of the newer jacks were still based on the older designs and using common sized seals that were still being produced...
The modern jack did meet it's specs under test and it performed like you would expect it to however, I see a lot of videos like this comparing older tools to the newer stuff on today's market and even the worn out tools on average seem to do better than their modern counterparts. That speaks volumes.
Because people want lighter tools so they're made of aluminum. We could very easily make tools of steel and make they 4x as heavy but thats not what people want.
Survivor bias is one of the problems here - older junk tools already passed on. Very few of these videos also normalize for specs or even cost relative to inflation.
@@Taylormade2350 It's not people wanting lighter tools. It's cheaper for the company to use lighter metals and bullshit rubber. Companies don't want to fork out for steal anymore.
It's speaks volumes alright. It says we need to boycott everything from china. We wouldn't buy from Nazis. But the ccp is every bit as bad. But makes it even worse is their products are fucking junk. So we are screwed into buying it because the companies have moved there too make more money. But we wind up paying the nearly same price for products that neither last nor perform as described in broken English.
I hated seeing it too...but in the interest of science, it was informative to confirm what people say all the time about the quality of old tools versus new. That old jack was four times the tool as the new jack. If anything, use it as a source of inspiration to save old tools when you come upon them at yard sales, flea markets, etc.
@@notquiteordinary - Hi Lostcreativity. I thought it was obvious...but perhaps not. When I said it was "four times the tool", I was just throwing out an expression to emphasize that the old one was much better than the new one...not specific statistics or mathematical calculations. If you wanted to pick nits and get specific about numbers, you would first have to determine what attribute you would focus on to do your calculations, right? What really makes something "four times the tool" or "twice the tool" or "half the tool"? When said in general terms, you can't do this which is why I thought it was obvious I was speaking in general terms. But if you need specific numbers to help you sleep at night, I offer these options just for you. You could start with price...which would make the old one 1.666 times the tool since it's less expensive (although we don't know if the cost shown was current cost of a used jack or the original. If original, you'd have to adjust for inflation which would greatly change the outcome!) You could use load rating which would make the old jack just one times the tool since they are rated the same...and therefore would perform their assigned tasked within spec for anyone. You could use the load required to make them fail in which case the old one is 1.53 times the tool since it required 359 more kg to compress the piston back into the sleeve . You could use the load required to crush the jacks into little bits (aka oblivion) in which case the old one would be precisely 1.636 time the tool You could go with the thickness of the casing which would make the old jack about 4 time the tool. You could go the the actual weight which makes the old one 2.033 times the tool. You could go with how long the jacks lasted which means the old one was 50 times the tool. Or, you could consider that after both jacks were pushed past their respective failure points, the new jack was completely inoperable while the old one continued to work just as well as before it was stressed. In that case, the old one would be 1000 times the tool (+ or - a million) because the new one literally ceased to be a tool and became a paper weight while the old one still worked perfectly fine. Kinda hard to pin a number on that factoid. Another variable worth considering is that the old jack had 50 years of wear-and-tear on the cylinder, piston, and seals...likely making it's current performance less than what it was originally. Without knowing how it would have tested in 1970, there would be a potentially huge discrepancy in the specific numbers you so desire. The only real way to determine this at this point is to buy another new one and use it for 50 years and then redo the test to see how the 50 year old "new" jack compares to its "50 year old" test results. My guess it that new jack won't even have an operational life span of 50 years...but that is just a guess from a random internet stranger who carelessly throws out expressions like "four times the tool" on the interwebs and misleads all but the most astute thinkers who are compelled to call him out for his carelessness with such calculations. Any-hoo...that is why I just threw out a figure of speech and wasn't stating a literal number. But if you really wanted a specific number based on all the criteria I mentioned above, I did the math for you (with a real calculator and everything!) and determined the old one is exactly 132.733125 times the new one. Hope you have a nice weekend, my friend!
I was an absolute fan of the testing but then you lost me with the nothing to be gained from - destroying a perfectly serviceable 1970 jack that was ready to serve another 50+ yrs
It's a just a peace of metal, you can very easily buy a replacement. There is literally no reason not to destroy it other than the cost of replacement.
@@urukadooedwards7637 Tell me a problem that the creator of this video might reasonably encounter for which having a jack specificity from the 1970s is the only feasible solution.
@@RacingPepe If you're not donating the money you save to charity then keeping the jack isn't helping the world, the money just goes to some other hobby of yours.
Eu também achei deveria guardar o antigo.Se trocasse o óleo e fizesse uma restauração completa ficaria nova,duraria tanto que talvez não estaríamos aqui para ver outra comparação kkkkk.Peças de hoje em dia realmente são todas descartáveis !
I would like you to test the strength of a Japanese motorcycle engine against a Chinese engine. I liked the comparison of hydraulic jacks, we can clearly see the superior quality of a jack from the 70s compared to now. The channel is great for understanding certain things. Thank you very much
oldies were made to be durable as they were hard to create, while new crap are deliberately made to break so you buy a new one (and so the compagny gets more money from you. that's capitalism at its base)
Eh, yeah and no. It's more so just proof that a $107 ($15-1970) 5 ton jack will outperform a $25 ($3.50-1970) 5 ton bottle jack. Same still holds true today.
@@PhysiqueGeek Very true. Thats what everyone is is missing in these old vs new comparisons. They are compairing an old, quality made item, to a new chinesium piece of junk. There are good quality jacks out there you can still buy new. But people are cheap, and for the most part they do not shell out the required money for something good. It also doesn't help that 90% of items today are cheap junk, and the old cheap junk has long since been thrown away, leaving good quality items to stand the test of time.
Eh no. It’s just that people are cheap. There are jack stands rated for 50 tons for crying out loud. Brand new ones, too. You get what you pay for. Anything more than $100 and you’ll be getting high quality, for the most part.
LOL, That funny, in the 1990s we said that anything made after 1970 is crap. Can’t wait to see how crappy tools are in 2040. They’ll be making jacks out of styrofoam.
I had a 1984 chevy pickup and the fenders, cab, pretty much anything metal on it cracked and broke, under no duress. my family was steel mill workers until they shut them down, and decent, 🇺🇸 made steel didn't just break
Oh look what I found, a bunch of cavemen here! The old jack is worth $100+ like what's addressed on other comments. Of course it's going to be more overengineered. Both met their specs and surpassed them. But people nowadays talk crap way worse than the product they talk about.
This should be a battle. The one who loses gets destroyed. The one who wins gets to live another Day. That way a lot of old stuff will continue to live on... Old is gold folks
For all we know it was used twice and sat in a garage until someone picked it up for these tests. In case you missed it the Chinese jack lasted well over it's rated lifting capacity.
Back then before corporations started to try to get every cent out of something they focused on building products to last a lifetime. Sad it's no longer the case.... 😔
Now you know there was a tool named Jack, and this tool saved me in every way the tool can be saved. I don't even have a picture of tool. This exists now only in my memory
I am a technician who disassembles hydraulics for hydraulics. In the 1900s, the rubber seals were damaged, so the quality of the hydraulic inner material was reduced.
Comrade I can't believe you made steel mash potatoes out of the 1970 antique 5Ton jack. 1970 jack stole the show.1970 jack had out performed the current ones being made 50 decades before. Your demonstrations gave me the sense that 45 degree angle gussets should be welded around the tube and the O-rings could be doubled. Cheaply made jack designs companies make are just for profit and not for purpose and safety. Proven fact history can always repeat itself in some distorted form. Товарищ, не могу поверить, что ты сделал стальное пюре из старинного 5-тонного домкрата 1970 года. Домкрат 1970 года затмил всех. Домкрат 1970 года превзошел нынешние, сделанные за 50 десятилетий до этого. Ваши демонстрации дали мне понять, что вокруг трубы должны быть приварены косынки под углом 45 градусов, а уплотнительные кольца могут быть сдвоены. Компании, выпускающие дешевые конструкции домкратов, предназначены только для получения прибыли, а не для цели и безопасности. История доказанных фактов всегда может повториться в каком-то искаженном виде. Продолжайте хорошую работу!
Back when i was an apprentice car mechanic we had and old bench press rated to 20T built in 1942, that thing never had a break down in the 4 years i was there. However the guy that wanted to be the boss of the shop felt like we needed a new and better one that was rated to 30T, i don't really get why, we used it to push out worn out ball bearings on cars and sometimes vans. Anyway we got it and it folded like a lawn chair at the first use, guess what did not YES the good old one that was build to last ;D
Was the price of the old jack what it sold for in1970 or the price used at a flea market ? If the former, what would it cost adjusted for inflation? If bought used that price might be somewhat arbitrary and it was likely sold as is. What I am saying is, the modern jack met specs and performed as expected. The old jack was a crap shoot (it may have been abused in the past) Who knows ? Moral is: don't trust a 5 ton jack to lift more than 5 ton.
I don't trust any jack.I always like to pair up with jack stands for vehicles and blocking for buildings and such.I've seen a lot of hydraulic failures (not just with jacks), and sometimes there is no warning.
I can't rational explain why I love seeing new and old tools destroyed and smashed when I depend on tools for everything. I wish I had more time to watch👍🏻🇺🇲
@@mikej6565 probably the same rationale you apply to jumping in on random unrelated comments to display your absolute ineptitude in politics that completely ignores that you guys literally tried to steal democracy by force less than a year ago.
☝️☝️☝️ Отдадим почтение тому что было сделано в СССР!!!👏👏👏 Браво,достойная смерть домкрата. Интересно было бы посмотреть на китайское чудо техники через 50 лет.!!!???🤔😜
Согласен по обоим пунктам. Китаец всё-таки имел двукратный запас против номинальной нагрузки, что сейчас редкость, при том, что весил вдвое меньше старого. А советский жаль, отличную вещь испортили.
Такие вещи каждый день сдают в металлаприемку что говорить о домкрат вот например ту купищ новую иномарку или будещ ездить на старой жигули дело в комфорте а не в пиаре. комфорта
Everyone's talking about the old jack being destroyed, but can we just take a moment to appreciate the 2021 jack performed very well. Going almost 3x over the rated limit before failing. And doing it with half the weight and for only 25 bucks. Honestly not at all what I expected from a cheap modern 'Chinese' jack.
Anyone else feel really depressed watching that sturdy and faithful old jack get destroyed?
The Old Played On Words Trick‼️ Right?
I know i do because i need one mr bean
The word depressed has lost meaning
@@petercoates2056 The jack was indeed de-pressed
Ahh know i get the joke
I feel like the 1970 jack should have been declared a winner after surviving 20 tonnes and been spared from destruction...
100% agreed
yes.. yes.. yess.
before hydraulic ua-cam.com/video/PTc1YRqs160/v-deo.html
i thought in that destination for him.. Rest in peace Mr. Jack
@@bifftannen3167 Anything that I use from harbor freight I derate by a minimum of half! 3 ton jack or jack stand = 1.5 ton!
I hated seeing that old jack get destroyed it still had a long life ahead of it until now☹️
No yet ua-cam.com/video/w_YaUQJAQSU/v-deo.html .,
“Do not try this at home”. Yes let me casually get the 500ton hydraulic press that I have and do this test for myself.
@@lukemallory7832 my comment was playing off the ‘don’t try this at home’. As like anyone has them laying around.
@@lukemallory7832 nah, it was funny he just didn't get it.
@@jordons7963 Obviously the « Don’t try this at home » advertising was already a joke
@@lukemallory7832 Text is not the ideal medium for subtle sarcasm.
I'll bring round my scanning electron microscope so that we can have a closer look at it all afterwards.
Old tools tend to be stronger because of the lack of computer aided design in the past. Nowadays, you can design something with just precisely the amount material needed to get the job done, no more, no less. Older stuff tends to have a hefty safety margin to account for any possible error in calculations.
there's also that companies make stuff to only work until the warranty is over, they noticed that people doesn't buy stuff if they never break
@@Jamesmor999 That has always happened and not at all new. Designers have just gotten a lot better at it with the aid of CAD.
You can't really argue for older companies and products when they also made lead paint and asbestos.
Basically a higher tolerance
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I would have refurbished the 1970 Jack with new seals and fresh oil, and sand blasted the casing ready for a respray. It would have lasted another 50 years.
That kind if craftsmanship is just about gone. Harbor Freight has one with Bluetooth and LED’s. They say you can trust it with your mother in law…
Did i ask?
@@Jvncv__ Is she small enough to ride in the cab with you?
Yeah but where do you get the seals?
@@mattyal9347 If you have the original pattern, any Hydraulics specialist can make a new replacement, as a custom job.
the old ones are beasts, i have one really similar to yours and a bigger one, both work for really well and for several years already. No matter what u pick up with it, it just doesnt break
i felt like a part of me died when he destroyed the 1970's jack, then i read the comments, and found that i was not alone. Thanks
Sad to see that old Jack destroyed. Thing probably would have lasted another 50 years
Exactly, compared to new one that would probably be lucky to last 10 years.
For what purpose? You shouldn't be using old jacking and lifting equipment.
@@ianrobertson3419 In lot of cases, old equipment is more realiable than new one unless it ends up under hydraulic press. Back in the day things were build to last, these days things are build to crack after warranty voids. In some cases new stuff dont even last that long so in my case, i would rather put my trust into old equipment then new one. But this is just my opinion based on experience.
@@ianrobertson3419 that old jack was pure gold and would have done a great job for many more centuries.. the modern pieces of shit shouldnt be used after a while, cuz they break way too fast.. Back then stuff was build to last, nowadays its quantity over quality.. Also back in the day when the good stuff was still arround, the "it shouldnt be used after x/y years" was propaganda to make people throw away tools that would have outlived like 10 new ones..
@@ianrobertson3419 because it works too well and is too strong right?
It was a little hard to see the 1970 jack get destroyed. That jack is older than me and much more stronger.
You can't carry a 20 ton load?
@@bobtheblob9739 only if you can carry 10 I will carry the other 10😅
@@topandrun126 do you even lift bro?
hydraulic after ua-cam.com/video/PTc1YRqs160/v-deo.html
Imagine all the cars it lifted and was relied upon people over the years only to be abused and destroyed for views on UA-cam
I have literally always wanted to see this 😭
Tyvm
Although it would have been more expensive, it would have been interesting to see how a good quality modern jack, of the same type, would have faired instead of a cheapo.
Destroying the old jack was worse than a crime---it was a mistake.☹
100% true
5 million people saw this video and now know the old jack is better than the new. This one jack gave it's life but probably saved dozens of others from the landfill in the process.
crime is worse than a mistake
@@bdgackle People flooding to junkyards to get the bottle jacks from old trucks.
Hi Napoleon
As a mechanical engineer, I can point to the fact that the difference in weight of the device itself is a good indicator of the load bearing capacity.
What you also see is that the chinese one is made mainly of sheet metal (i.e. cheap), versus casted parts for the 1970 one. This shows also that the 1970 one is way more costly to produce. When you would calculate the cost for producing - in a large series - such a casted jack in 2021, you would for sure be way more expensive than the sheet metal one. What I am saying here is that the 15 usd that you paid for the 1970 jack is a very good deal.
Did you notice the 1970 jack when it was being compressed the side split in half at 9:00, is it because that's where it was welded..
@@McDonough_Georgia welds are often stronger than the surrounding material. And the split is far too clean for it to follow a weld. No, i would be that it was cut from a long piece seamless pipe. It would be the logical choice of construction, cheap and reliable.
@Erik S. Jack's are not that expensive.
@@ProPatriaRO I was told by a mechanic that rust always develops where it's welded.
@@McDonough_Georgia if the surface is prepared correctly for painting, rust should be a nonissue, that being said, a lot of companies or employees skimp on this part, thats why it always rusts on the weld.
I love how hydraulic press videos always say "don't try at home" at the begging as if the average person just has a 500 ton hydraulic press at their house.
I agree! And then it would be a bear to drag up my sloped driveway which is deteriorating from shoddy concrete and years of frost heave. I wouldnt have room for something that big anyway. That guy must think we are all rich like him. What gets me, is that im old school and dont know whiddly about all that metric garbage. Keep that metric stuff overseas where it belongs!
This channel is addicting and quite informational as to the quality of some newer products.
The old boy has performed like a real hero! Respect. R.I.P. 💪🏼
I always stop at antique shops and fish out old tools. I love the fact they would have been used by proper tradesmen and wonder about the work they did and where those guys might be now....those old tools are a piece of history....if only they could talk...
Plenty of real tradies still around, you probably just don't hire them
@@jeremymcadam7400 Not the old school.....using the tools I'm talking about...
@@herbiee22 I carve stone by hand for church restorations. Let me tell you, we do a much better job than the convicts that built them
@@jeremymcadam7400 I would like to see...not doubting what you say but to appreciate the work. I thought all decorative stone or cement was cast nowadays....
@@herbiee22 there is plenty of that, but it's not nearly as good and not a whole lot cheaper. There was 1 other apprentice that did restoration in my year at TAFE 5 years ago, it's definitely a dying art
That jack was a year younger than me. Good to know that my dad's jack (may he rest in piece) from the 50's or 60's that is still working is at least as strong as that 1070's jack.
They used to make things that lasted back then, unlike that cheap jack from China.
Bit sad to see that jack destroyed, but good information.
R.I.P. Old 1970 Jack... you served well
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Yeah. It could even have destroyed the Chinese one. Sad to see 'er go.
Exactly as I expected ! Quality is appreciated long after the price is forgotten, as vividly demonstrated here
New sub, and a like! 👍👍
I've been a machinist since 1970, and I do not get rid of my old tools, for this very reason!
What books are these? Can you tell me the titles or examples?
@@MTd2 he said "tools" not books
Well back then they thought profit came from making good equipment.
These days we know profit is about doing the bare minimum.
Models made in the 70's you can not get rid of that. They jack up every thing and are well built! Must be the steel and the O-ring rubbers.
Like so many others I would have been fine with the 1970 jack getting a reprieve.
Always excellent ideas ! Why not doing this with different kinds of wood, I'm curious to see the resistances ! Thanks
Watching 1970s jack die felt like watching the terminator descend into the molten steel , rest well you've earned it. In all seriousness it wouldve done even better if it was refurbished .
I was thinking the same thing. Really neat to watch, but kinda a waste.
Nice one.... Agreed.
Heh. Curious you say that... Isn't the music starting at 8:17 from Terminator as well?
It was a old piece of shit, who cares? Also, refurbish? How? Who's making seals for this thing? Use your brain a little bit.
@@assordante2205 Believe it or not you can still find seals for the older hydraulic jacks because most of these manufactures are designing close to the same internal specs from the older builds plus it saves them money to not reinvent the wheel redesigning O-rings and other internal seals. I just rebuilt a 40 year old 20 ton jack and I was concerned I wouldn't find replacement parts. Even without a model number all you have to do is measure the piston and even the worn out seals and you're in the house. The guy explained to me that most of the newer jacks were still based on the older designs and using common sized seals that were still being produced...
The modern jack did meet it's specs under test and it performed like you would expect it to however, I see a lot of videos like this comparing older tools to the newer stuff on today's market and even the worn out tools on average seem to do better than their modern counterparts. That speaks volumes.
Because people want lighter tools so they're made of aluminum. We could very easily make tools of steel and make they 4x as heavy but thats not what people want.
Survivor bias is one of the problems here - older junk tools already passed on. Very few of these videos also normalize for specs or even cost relative to inflation.
@@Taylormade2350 It's not people wanting lighter tools. It's cheaper for the company to use lighter metals and bullshit rubber. Companies don't want to fork out for steal anymore.
@@GamerNerdess no its not its people wanting lighter tools its also cheap people who bitch if anything cost more than 10 dollars.
It's speaks volumes alright. It says we need to boycott everything from china. We wouldn't buy from Nazis. But the ccp is every bit as bad. But makes it even worse is their products are fucking junk. So we are screwed into buying it because the companies have moved there too make more money. But we wind up paying the nearly same price for products that neither last nor perform as described in broken English.
Awesome and not at all surprised by the results.
The Terminator 2 sound in the backround is the best! 😉👍
The old jack is a absolute beast
Seriously disgusting to destroy the old jack 🤷🏻♂️
no one else was gonna use it, better than letting it just sit there.
I hated seeing it too...but in the interest of science, it was informative to confirm what people say all the time about the quality of old tools versus new. That old jack was four times the tool as the new jack. If anything, use it as a source of inspiration to save old tools when you come upon them at yard sales, flea markets, etc.
@@dewrus2153 literally wasn't 4x. 2x at most. The numbers are right in front of you.
I would have used it
@@notquiteordinary - Hi Lostcreativity. I thought it was obvious...but perhaps not. When I said it was "four times the tool", I was just throwing out an expression to emphasize that the old one was much better than the new one...not specific statistics or mathematical calculations. If you wanted to pick nits and get specific about numbers, you would first have to determine what attribute you would focus on to do your calculations, right? What really makes something "four times the tool" or "twice the tool" or "half the tool"? When said in general terms, you can't do this which is why I thought it was obvious I was speaking in general terms. But if you need specific numbers to help you sleep at night, I offer these options just for you.
You could start with price...which would make the old one 1.666 times the tool since it's less expensive (although we don't know if the cost shown was current cost of a used jack or the original. If original, you'd have to adjust for inflation which would greatly change the outcome!)
You could use load rating which would make the old jack just one times the tool since they are rated the same...and therefore would perform their assigned tasked within spec for anyone.
You could use the load required to make them fail in which case the old one is 1.53 times the tool since it required 359 more kg to compress the piston back into the sleeve .
You could use the load required to crush the jacks into little bits (aka oblivion) in which case the old one would be precisely 1.636 time the tool
You could go with the thickness of the casing which would make the old jack about 4 time the tool.
You could go the the actual weight which makes the old one 2.033 times the tool.
You could go with how long the jacks lasted which means the old one was 50 times the tool.
Or, you could consider that after both jacks were pushed past their respective failure points, the new jack was completely inoperable while the old one continued to work just as well as before it was stressed. In that case, the old one would be 1000 times the tool (+ or - a million) because the new one literally ceased to be a tool and became a paper weight while the old one still worked perfectly fine. Kinda hard to pin a number on that factoid.
Another variable worth considering is that the old jack had 50 years of wear-and-tear on the cylinder, piston, and seals...likely making it's current performance less than what it was originally. Without knowing how it would have tested in 1970, there would be a potentially huge discrepancy in the specific numbers you so desire. The only real way to determine this at this point is to buy another new one and use it for 50 years and then redo the test to see how the 50 year old "new" jack compares to its "50 year old" test results. My guess it that new jack won't even have an operational life span of 50 years...but that is just a guess from a random internet stranger who carelessly throws out expressions like "four times the tool" on the interwebs and misleads all but the most astute thinkers who are compelled to call him out for his carelessness with such calculations.
Any-hoo...that is why I just threw out a figure of speech and wasn't stating a literal number. But if you really wanted a specific number based on all the criteria I mentioned above, I did the math for you (with a real calculator and everything!) and determined the old one is exactly 132.733125 times the new one. Hope you have a nice weekend, my friend!
I have an older one similar to that and it works like a champ
That old jack deserved a new coat of paint
I was an absolute fan of the testing but then you lost me with the nothing to be gained from - destroying a perfectly serviceable 1970 jack that was ready to serve another 50+ yrs
It's a just a peace of metal, you can very easily buy a replacement. There is literally no reason not to destroy it other than the cost of replacement.
Except for the fact you don't have a Time Machine to buy another.
@@urukadooedwards7637 Tell me a problem that the creator of this video might reasonably encounter for which having a jack specificity from the 1970s is the only feasible solution.
@@Bob13454 Your way of thinking is the exact reason we have so much trash on our planet. It's not about cost, it's about wasting materials.
@@RacingPepe If you're not donating the money you save to charity then keeping the jack isn't helping the world, the money just goes to some other hobby of yours.
Triste ver o antigo sendo destruído. Era uma peça que provavelmente iria durar muito tempo ainda.
Ainda tinha ainda uma eternidade pela frente.
Sim, o antigo também achei desperdício. Muito tempo? Ia durar eternamente. kkkkkkkkkkk
Eu também achei deveria guardar o antigo.Se trocasse o óleo e fizesse uma restauração completa ficaria nova,duraria tanto que talvez não estaríamos aqui para ver outra comparação kkkkk.Peças de hoje em dia realmente são todas descartáveis !
@@isao3071 A
@@rubengatolindu Cabelo bonito
the old jack giving us the thumbs up as its being slowly destroyed...
Hasta La Vista, Baby
Superb and original idea all these tests under a press ... you had to think about it .. well done
Старый не надо было разрушать, он был достоин работать дальше или стоять в музее, очень жаль его, хоть и железка.
Согласен.
This.
A refurbishment and new fluid and you would have gotten another 50 years out of that jack.
Damned shame you destroyed it.
единомышленники
Вообще то он украл видео с другого канала.
@@balabius6658 Is this not the usual hydraulic press guy?
Old tools = QUALITY
New ones= it's called business
New ones= made in China
@@CyberCrusader27 absolutely right
I would like you to test the strength of a Japanese motorcycle engine against a Chinese engine. I liked the comparison of hydraulic jacks, we can clearly see the superior quality of a jack from the 70s compared to now. The channel is great for understanding certain things. Thank you very much
Why are these so relaxing
The old jack getting destroyed broke my heart a little😢
This is a fact that old products are more powerful and hard on new products 💪
oldies were made to be durable as they were hard to create, while new crap are deliberately made to break so you buy a new one (and so the compagny gets more money from you. that's capitalism at its base)
Eh, yeah and no. It's more so just proof that a $107 ($15-1970) 5 ton jack will outperform a $25 ($3.50-1970) 5 ton bottle jack. Same still holds true today.
@@PhysiqueGeek Very true. Thats what everyone is is missing in these old vs new comparisons. They are compairing an old, quality made item, to a new chinesium piece of junk. There are good quality jacks out there you can still buy new. But people are cheap, and for the most part they do not shell out the required money for something good. It also doesn't help that 90% of items today are cheap junk, and the old cheap junk has long since been thrown away, leaving good quality items to stand the test of time.
Eh no. It’s just that people are cheap. There are jack stands rated for 50 tons for crying out loud. Brand new ones, too.
You get what you pay for. Anything more than $100 and you’ll be getting high quality, for the most part.
@@tylerslagel5485 right, but my point is that we aren’t comparing cheap to cheap here
I love finding old bottle jacks at estate sales! So much better than new ones!
Perfect music to finish with 👍
The moment I laid eyes on that 2021 jack, I knew it looked like a POS. I like old stuff pre 2000s, times when products were made to last.
LOL, That funny, in the 1990s we said that anything made after 1970 is crap. Can’t wait to see how crappy tools are in 2040. They’ll be making jacks out of styrofoam.
@@PaulUptonIm the new Chevys come with plastic jacks - have a search on here
Wow, they sure do. That’s crazy. They are recalling them because, guess what, they break…shocker.
I had a 1984 chevy pickup and the fenders, cab, pretty much anything metal on it cracked and broke, under no duress. my family was steel mill workers until they shut them down, and decent, 🇺🇸 made steel didn't just break
Oh look what I found, a bunch of cavemen here!
The old jack is worth $100+ like what's addressed on other comments. Of course it's going to be more overengineered.
Both met their specs and surpassed them. But people nowadays talk crap way worse than the product they talk about.
This should be a battle. The one who loses gets destroyed. The one who wins gets to live another Day. That way a lot of old stuff will continue to live on... Old is gold folks
Nice comparison!
Worth it Video I ever seen ❤️
That was a high quality 1970 Jack you just squashed.
Hard to watch
*inhales enragedly*
“Sooo, how can I help you?”
That's what I was thinking! One less high quality tool in the world 😦
We Americans should be utterly ashamed of outsourcing anything to China, it was our greatest demise.
Is this video only for Americans then? There's also a great big world outside of America buying rubbish products from China.
@@briantitchener4829 let me rephrase that to the world, but believe it or not at one point American Industry used to build amazing stuff.
The look on their face when you return that new jack to the store 😂
thx for this demonstation...... the "older" the "better" !
Don't repeat at home.. As if I got a 500 ton hydrolic press just laying around in my home...
I mean, doesn't everyone?
I pretty sure your home weighs more than 5 thousand pounds. And I'm sure property lines go all the way down to hell. Lots of soil down their.
It's amazing how things made in the past were made to last even in extreme conditions.
For all we know it was used twice and sat in a garage until someone picked it up for these tests. In case you missed it the Chinese jack lasted well over it's rated lifting capacity.
Yes, the old jack was made without any safety devices. The new jack has an overpressure bypass.
Back then there was no planned obsolescence.
Everything today is made to be thrown away and re bought.... FN scumbags.
Back then before corporations started to try to get every cent out of something they focused on building products to last a lifetime. Sad it's no longer the case.... 😔
Knew from the start the old one would win. I have a couple like that and they still work great.
Now you know there was a tool named Jack, and this tool saved me in every way the tool can be saved. I don't even have a picture of tool. This exists now only in my memory
I am a technician who disassembles hydraulics for hydraulics. In the 1900s, the rubber seals were damaged, so the quality of the hydraulic inner material was reduced.
I want to see one of those fancy 1,000 ton Jack's vs the 500 ton press. 😉
This is the Prof that OLD IS gold 🏆😍😍🥰🥰
Love you and your videos bro 🤜love ❤from india
I agree with the others comments of saving the 1970s jack but also wondered about the lack of hydraulic oil from this one!
Old is always gold ❤️❤️
Old is gold . Old things is stronger than present tools 💖
Comrade I can't believe you made steel mash potatoes out of the 1970 antique 5Ton jack. 1970 jack stole the show.1970 jack had out performed the current ones being made 50 decades before. Your demonstrations gave me the sense that 45 degree angle gussets should be welded around the tube and the O-rings could be doubled. Cheaply made jack designs companies make are just for profit and not for purpose and safety. Proven fact history can always repeat itself in some distorted form.
Товарищ, не могу поверить, что ты сделал стальное пюре из старинного 5-тонного домкрата 1970 года. Домкрат 1970 года затмил всех. Домкрат 1970 года превзошел нынешние, сделанные за 50 десятилетий до этого. Ваши демонстрации дали мне понять, что вокруг трубы должны быть приварены косынки под углом 45 градусов, а уплотнительные кольца могут быть сдвоены. Компании, выпускающие дешевые конструкции домкратов, предназначены только для получения прибыли, а не для цели и безопасности. История доказанных фактов всегда может повториться в каком-то искаженном виде. Продолжайте хорошую работу!
That crushed old jack looked like something you would find lying around in Fallout 3.
Back when i was an apprentice car mechanic we had and old bench press rated to 20T built in 1942, that thing never had a break down in the 4 years i was there. However the guy that wanted to be the boss of the shop felt like we needed a new and better one that was rated to 30T, i don't really get why, we used it to push out worn out ball bearings on cars and sometimes vans. Anyway we got it and it folded like a lawn chair at the first use, guess what did not YES the good old one that was build to last ;D
Takes the old saying "they don't make shit like they used too" on a whole new level
I wonder how an American made moder jack would've done. The chinese use less steel for profit and for shipping reasons.
Background sound of terminator was good! 👍
Nothing like the old metal jacks.My dad still has a 1960s jack still going strong
Was the price of the old jack what it sold for in1970 or the price used at a flea market ?
If the former, what would it cost adjusted for inflation?
If bought used that price might be somewhat arbitrary and it was likely sold as is.
What I am saying is, the modern jack met specs and performed as expected. The old jack was a crap shoot (it may have been abused in the past) Who knows ?
Moral is: don't trust a 5 ton jack to lift more than 5 ton.
15 bucks in 1970 is worth 107 bucks with inflation adjustment.
I don't trust any jack.I always like to pair up with jack stands for vehicles and blocking for buildings and such.I've seen a lot of hydraulic failures (not just with jacks), and sometimes there is no warning.
@@MrBluecollar8 You use jack stands because you seem to have a fully functioning brain.
@@r1learner178 I just get a little flinchy after growing up playing with bumper jacks and split rims.lol
@@MrBluecollar8 Thanks for the flash back, I had forgotten about those things. LOL
I can't rational explain why I love seeing new and old tools destroyed and smashed when I depend on tools for everything. I wish I had more time to watch👍🏻🇺🇲
@@mikej6565 probably the same rationale you apply to jumping in on random unrelated comments to display your absolute ineptitude in politics that completely ignores that you guys literally tried to steal democracy by force less than a year ago.
@@mikej6565 u good bro?
That’s why old stuff works better then new stuff
awesome videos!..👍🏻
Sad to see the old one destroyed.
Let’s give a moment of silence for the 1970 jack it has outlived its expectation
Bless you james Amen 🙏
I got a 1950s jack it still works and it’s been through hell
It's quite impressive the force of displacement of pressured oil
Жалко старый советский домкрат в хороших руках ещё лет 50 прослужил бы.
искал этот комментарий, домкрат определённо именно СОВЕТСКИЙ, и не один иностранец этого не отметил
As coisas antigas são sempre melhores🇧🇷
Si very true 👍
Panela velha é que faz comida boa
Então já pode vender seus celulares e comprarem o tijolão!! 😁😁
Pan
7:10 - the old jack sheds a single tear
😢
😇
🙏
Always. Old is Gold Bro 🤗🤗🤗
Wow the safety factor on these jacks are incredible
Я один пустил слезу, когда советский пресом раздавили?
The simple thing I want to say“ old is gold”
So, Granny better watch out?
@@Cheepchipsable yes
Background music makes it seems like a serious mission in games!!
This is how to make an oldschool jack C5 Corvette compatible 😎.
Belo comparativo. 👍
☝️☝️☝️ Отдадим почтение тому что было сделано в СССР!!!👏👏👏 Браво,достойная смерть домкрата.
Интересно было бы посмотреть на китайское чудо техники через 50 лет.!!!???🤔😜
Excelente demonstração
Wow very awesome men!
Old is always gold
WOW That old beast took 30 tons before the hydraulics gave out.
Bro *OLD IS GOLD ALWAYS*
"Finally, A Worthy Opponent , Our Battle Will Be Legendary"- Tai Lung
В защиту китайца можно сказать что он молодец.
А за Советский домкрат вам нужно Морду набить!
Такую вещь сломали.Он нас всех мог ещё пережить.
Согласен по обоим пунктам. Китаец всё-таки имел двукратный запас против номинальной нагрузки, что сейчас редкость, при том, что весил вдвое меньше старого. А советский жаль, отличную вещь испортили.
Такие вещи каждый день сдают в металлаприемку что говорить о домкрат вот например ту купищ новую иномарку или будещ ездить на старой жигули дело в комфорте а не в пиаре. комфорта
Love the old tools. The days when pretty much was made to last. Now we live in a disposable society with over priced cheap quality products.
amazing !!52 year old jacks is still working well..eventually he was crushed..😔
Everyone's talking about the old jack being destroyed, but can we just take a moment to appreciate the 2021 jack performed very well. Going almost 3x over the rated limit before failing. And doing it with half the weight and for only 25 bucks. Honestly not at all what I expected from a cheap modern 'Chinese' jack.
No.
The 1970s jack was forged and machined.
That Chinese jack was all cast.
I don't think it is, even the common cheapo $25 Torin bottle jacks are a drop forged construction
What I learnt today: 5 tons jacks make 5 tons force :)
Who'd have thought?
this proves that things were better back in the good old days
Just like they say, old is gold.