Isnt nearly all of his videos pointless,except for entertainment value? That makes critiquing his videos as if they were for engineering rather pointless,if not mild trolling.
I agree with this point. The main power is exerted when the rod is pushed. On the other hand one would assume, that more expensive cars are made with higher quality materials and components. I would like to know the weight of each item. I believe the old one is heavier and thicker than the others.
The rogue piston exiting a self-destructing tuned engine on a rolling road at maximum rpm may beg to differ! In almost all production engines, whether NA or forced induction, the highest stresses on a connecting rod are tensile, due to the inertia of the piston changing direction at the top of the exhaust stroke (no compression to reduce the tensile force). The rods in this test were from standard production engines, so the test is actually relevant. High boost engines, exotic fuel burners and engines suffering from detonation or hydraulic locking are possible exceptions to this general case, so top fuel drag racers, and diesel van drivers heroing it through 4 ft of flood water, for example, may count amongst those exceptions!
@@robair67 just what I was getting ready to say. most failures of the pin skirt or rod/bolts are tdc on the exhaust /intake stroke. rods bending are not near as common as stretch and bolt stretch.
As a mechanical engineer I can say that this test shows only the tensile strength of the bolts not the connecting rods. Also compression strength is more important than tensile strength in the case of connecting rods because they are mostly exposed to compresion forces.
Only one failed 100% due to bolt failure. The first rod cap stretched until the bolts were subjected to forces in addition to the tension. The second failed due to the bolts. The third one was obviously not the rod bolts.
Tensile and fatigue failure are the most common failures of con rods and bolts. Compression failures are not common unless engine produce a lot of torque at low rpm such as diesels running large amounts of boost and fuel or adding nitrous at too low an rpm. I have removed plenty of rods from holes in the sides of engines. None were compression failures.
Yep, but they also suffer from tensile forces fue to the piston mass. Also the suffer lateral torsion too! Connecting rods are the MVP of the Engine team!
This isn't the only forces that the con rod faces.The piston It is a reciprocating mass after all. So when it changes direction at the end of the stroke, there is a significant amount of force involved.
Rods are always rated in Horsepower they can handle. That makes no sense. It's known that RPM and lower quality bolts (screws) is where they break - at the bolts.
Those old soviet cars were built to last and also in some of the toughest conditions. Not built for speed or high performance just a workhorse to get from A to B. Amazing to see. Thank you for the video.
I bet you never ever drive one. our grandfathers spent all their time in garages trying to fix these jalopies. many parts were strong because they were simple, and the engineers did not even try to make the design lighter.
Soviet cars were just reliable and durable. But, low performances, high fuel consumption, although they could use low grade fuel, but were having high emissions. In fact, all comunist cars were having high emissions.
Interesting part is the M3 the bolts did not give up, But yeah compression will be a better test since this rods get the blunt of the power stroke in compression
I agree. Internal forces are the other way. They push or compress the rod, not pull it. But that would not make for such a fun video because all those rod are more than adequate under normal operation. And actually the lighter the rod, the better it is for gas mileage
*Failure under compression* is a highly atypical failure mode, even for cast connecting rods. Failure usually takes place due to shearing forces in the wrist pin domain, poor lubrication at the big end bearings, or tensile forces on inadequately fastened rod caps. The highest loads on a connecting rod assembly are presented in tension from the reversal of momentum at the extremes of piston travel.
For engineering purpose, technically you should have changed the M5 connecting rod at 5:03, cause results aren't accurate when a tensil trial fails. You can't do a second trail on an object that is already plastically deformed, because it will be falsing results.
if we're being that picky, the loading rate was controlled manually, and not very carefully in some cases. if they were measuring yield strength i would agree, but i can't see it making any difference to the UTS.
@@jamesg8246 they didn't understand what testing is. stockton - " 5" of carbonfibre. that'll do the trick." mexican employee - "but boss, shouldn't we do extensive testing on it?" stockton - "nah, it's got to get through 5" of carbonfibre, we'll put microphones on it so we can hear it cracking." mexican employee - "is it supposed to crack?" stockton - "there's 5" of it so who cares?" passenger - "i can hear cracking." stockton - "look, there's 5" of... " *radio silence*
Well I hope you live in the US because I can tell you they drink more than an alcoholic on a saturdaynight. Beautiful car, beautiful to drive but I got fed up spending over 300 euros a week just on gas.
Yes this is wrong process , wrong tensile test not through the rods , through the bolt crimpe and tip hole , this is as result bolt tensile testing !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am sorry but this does not test the strength of a Piston rod. All you test is the strength of a bolt material. You should try to compress them rather than stretch. The force from the engine act compressing the rod rather than stretching.
Which is why only one them had a bolt failure, Btw if rods are only made to be compressed how about exhaust stroke ? The piston is subject to some big a$$ stretch during that phase Tell me you did not watched the vid without telling me you did watched the vid
Exactly what happens in an engine at high revs during valve overlap. On active compression the forces are smaller, unless there's non compressable fluid in the combustion chamber. During the combustion , the rod gets loaded up, like a coil spring, and that energy will also be released during valve overlap, contributing to the mechanical forces, already at play.
Love it when a classic car shows better engineering than modern design. Just think if combined what you would get for results. Great job again as always.
То есть, инженеры других моделей старались, подбирали сплавы полегче, делали деталь более утонченной и при этом не сильно уступающей по прочности москвичевскому огромному тяжеленному шатуну, но слава все-таки советскому автопрому?)
@@jack26rus91 я думаю, спор о том, что шатуны других производителей отлично себя показывают в автомобилях. А делать болванку из чугуния - это удел нашего автопрома. Зато, когда-то эта болванка уделает в видосе все остальные и какой-нибудь совколюб расскажет всем об этом событии.
I agree with comments about compression. Something else I'd like to mention is the weight. You could make a steel connecting rod with a huge cross-section that would win this (and a compression) test. But how does it affect the engine performance?
@@Thewatcherinthering336Another mental giant...Conrods DO fail because of compression! Ever heard of water lock? Although it's ment fail because of water lock.
@@ziobrik 👍👍👍 4 strock engines: 3 strocks, the rod is compresed by: compresion, detonation, exhaust. 1 strock is admision when piston is pulled down by the rod freely with admision valve oppen. 👍👍👍
This test is good. Because now you know if you find a broken conrod in your oil sump that it withstood a pressure of 5 000 KG to 15 000 KG, and the dent in the head must be equal to the opposite reaction.
Interesting test , i saw conrods as young bloke in a workshop come out of a ford v8 that had been hydro locked on a few cylinders , the owner thought it would be a good idea to drill some holes in the top of his air cleaner lid below the shaker in his bonnet , it rained over night and filled some cylinders with water , and the next day he fired it up and made some of his con rods come out in an S shape , truly incredible to see .
Interesting that it was the bolts that broke and the old one was strongest, Would be interesting to see some high performance ones like what they use for top fuel drag racing or something. 1968 must have been a good year :).
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Actually nobody cared about how much material they use in the communist Soviet Union for a bar. He shows a Moskvich - I never dreamed about.
It just shows the lack of optimization in the Soviet design. The bolts don't need to withstand extreme theoretical forces. The connecting rod should be stressed in compression. For this tensile test, the Soviet design of just a big bolt works well, but is useless in a car that makes a fraction of the power per liter that the BMWs produce.
Props to you always finding interesting objects to test for us to see. Thank you my friend. Love it how you collect different rods from different cars from different era. Cheers
Don’t care what all the engineers have to say, this only reminds me of my Lada Niva’s toughness ! Too many salty winter Canadian roads (1982-97) but even after rust took the plates it did a few more years hauling at the cottage. Dirt cheap bare bones tanks, from Russia with love.
To add my bit to the mix. In the 70's I owned a Ford transit and fitted a worked over 250 2V Ford I6. With exhaust opened it would rev to 7600 before valve float. Now onto the guts of my outline. We had a very severe rain storm. Unknowlingly, rain water ingressed into the intake ( 650 Holley double pumper. ) Car wouldn't start on SM. I decided to let it roll down the hill and kick start it. Fine in theory BUT dropping the clutch in 2nd gear in a 3660 lb tranny van. An almighty bang and the engine kicked over and started on 5 -1/2 cylinders. Pulled it down and found the bore had split from the hydraulic malady. Both the Ford factory piston and rod were still intact. Rod was checked and straight. Same with the factory piston. A testimony to the strength of the early Falcon I6s. Sleeved the broken bore refitted the recip assy and ran it for a another couple of years giving the 200HP hitrous kit a constant workout. LOVE DEM FORD I6s and now the Barras.
Sorry, but you not testing strenght of conrods, but strenght of screws. Conrods in engine must withstand the pressure, not tension. In the correct direction of stress, the screws are not stressed and the part can withstand much more force. Great video, out of reality.
In automotive racing engines, the metallurgy with the connecting rods have improved immensely from the 1950s to the present; especially so in the US NASCAR race series; where the engines used, as its base, were the high performance engines from the US automotive manufacturers [General Motors, Ford, & Chrysler]. The term "blown engine" was used to describe engine failures among the participants in the NASCAR races in the 1950s through the '70s; and was especially common in the 1950s and '60s. Many times those "blown engines" were due to connecting rod failures. But in the 21st century, the rate of blown engines, in NASCAR races, are seldom, and I can't recall the last time there was an engine failure due to a broken connecting rod in the past 20+ years of NASCAR races.
The highest loads on connecting rods are in compression rather than in tension as it's the expanding, hot gasses pressing down which provide the greatest forces. There are, of course, significant tensile forces too, as on the induction stroke, the piston has to be accelerated downwards quickly (on the firing stroke the hot gasses push the piston down). Not to say that tensile strength isn't important, but they are optimised for the compressive forces and will be stronger in that direction. You can often see the difference on an older, stripped down engine with different wear patterns on the big end bearings.
High RPM requires stronger rods, too. Usually, a bearing will go long before a rod. Turning a normally aspirated car by turbo conversion will have parts fail in the bottom end. Use forged pistons and rods and uprated bearings. Bit off topic there but im a petrol hesd.
Moskvitch were removed from sale in UK (1970’s) due to their inability to stop… the strength of their con rods was never questioned although I’m sure Putin is making much of this Russian technological supremacy over the west as we speak.
because this was mostly testing the strength of the bolt. and Soviet one was bolt and nut going through the rod, where as other ones are bolt screwed into the rod.
Interesting tensile strength test/comparison. Compression strength of the rods is just as or more important, because of the power and compression strokes putting more downward, compression, stress on the connecting rods, and wrist and crank pins.
@@Thewatcherinthering336 The rod is what transfers the downward force of the piston to the crankshaft, on the power stroke, which is compression stress on the length of the rod. It also takes the compressive stress of the compression and exhaust strokes. The rods can get bent and broken from that stress, if not robust enough. The rod does take some tensile stress on the intake stroke, but not as much as the compressive stress on the power stroke. I don't follow your, "Uhh nope." statement, or appreciate it.
@@wmden1 uhh, nope once again. You obviously have no experience with engines so just admit it. Sure the downward compression is a stress producing force on the rod, it has to be. The biggest impact from compression is on the bearing load. Tension is what breaks rods and rod bolts(think about how rods fail, they don’t get crushed, they stretch and break). This force is centrifugal force on the rotating assembly. Compression down force moves the rotating assembly without any sort of appreciable play, it’s the upswing of the piston and rod assembly that has NO stop against centrifugal force, except for the stretch of the rod and rod bolts. Even dragster engine rods get measured for stretch not compression on every tear down. Plus I don’t care if you didn’t like my comment, get a clue, build some engines first.
@@Thewatcherinthering336 I have had plenty of experience with engines, if you think there is no compressive force on the connecting rod, piston end to crankshaft end, during the power stroke, you are the one who needs to think again. Sure there is centrifugal force on the lower end of the connecting rod, and tensile to boot. I'm not saying there isn't. You are saying no compressive on the rod and that is completely incorrect. I have seen plenty of bent and broken rods. I'm done with you.
@@wmden1 once again…uhhh nope! Never once said there is no compressive force on a con rod. You said that. Obviously you have not had any experience with engines nor did you comprehend my comments. There is no compressive force on intake stroke, little compressive force on exhaust stroke, compression and power stroke have the most force. But still not nearly enough to cause catastrophic failure of a rod. Again, rods do not fail due to crushing force, they fail because they were literally torn apart from the sudden direction change at the end of the stroke combined with the centrifugal forces. Ending in an over stretched rod or rod bolt. That, clown, is what causes rods to break. No one has ever seen a crushed connecting rod except in the aftermath of a tension break. Go build some engines, take a physics course and stop being the pivot man…
For everyone who is making comments about the compression strength of a conrod, you obviously don't understand the stresses involved in a naturally aspirated internal combustion engine. The GREATEST load on a conrod at revs is during valve overlap at the end of the exhaust stroke. Due to piston inertia, the load at revs is often several tonnes/tons. The only thing keeping the piston is the engine is the rod, which is why conrod bolts are so important. Even in boosted engines, inertia loads will often be vastly more than compression loads. I've seen many more big end and bolt related failures as a result of tensile loads in my life than issues related to compressive load. If you go to Steve Morris's channel and look at his Great Exodus series of videos, you will see the results of a high rpm tensile failure in a very high horsepower boosted motor. Admittedly this video doesn't deal with cyclic fatigue, but it does demonstrate the ultimate tensile strength of a component, and the probable failure point.
Warum testest du Pleuel auf Zug? Das Bauteil ist auf Druckbelastung ausgelegt, und nicht auf Zugbelastung. Dies sind 2 verschiedene mechanische Belastungen welche eine komplett andere Werkstoffauswahl zur Folge haben.
It is, but the problem with overbuilding is an exponential loss of efficiency. Plus you probably couldn't rev it much past 3500 rpm for all the rotating mass.
Comments regarding compressive strength being what matters- do you guys work on things? Do you find connecting rods crushed from compressive forces? I think maybe "no" on both counts. I have seen bolts break in tension, and rods snapped due to cantilevered forces, after oil starvation and seizing to a still a spinning crankshaft. I have seen rods bent due to compressive forces from hydraulic locking...water ingestion. One of those ran tens of thousands of miles very bent, and was found when disassembled for unrelated reasons. Never saw a rod fail in compression. Maybe top fuel guys do? Even rods from engines I knew were suffering from preignition showed no distress, and this is pretty abusive. Probably more so to the bearings. I think you may be imagining some impossibly large explosion occurring...not so. While forceful, it should be a somewhat smooth event. BMEP, or average cylinder pressure during the power stroke, isn't that awful high. Over 200 PSI BMEP is pretty good. Also, the bolts are irrelevant when the rod is in compression, but certainly matter @ TDC. "You're just testing the bolts.." is a strange comment. They are part of the rod, and are a failure point. I read in these comments, and elsewhere, that the rod's toughest moment is the piston deceleration between the exhaust and intake stroke. Similar forces probably exist at BDC...but, again, I see rods/bolts fail in tension, not compression. A last observation- this guy is breaking stuff in his press for our amusement, it's not an engineering class. Just enjoy it. I Crush stuff in my 75 ton press for fun sometimes, my kid loves it. Me, too.
lol what kind of joke are u, OF COURSE rods are bend or crushed from compressive forces esp when u add way more tq to an engine for example by a bigger turbo. it happens every day. so just stfu if u are that clueless
Well, connection rod would never suffer such forces, unless piston will stuck in chamber, but that wouldnt create such a strong force. This test was supposed to be about connection rods, not their bolts. As from engineering middle school, almost every student of physics know how this test might be done. We know from the top of our heads also the diagrams for steel of this tests. More importantly, it might be very interesting to see the results of usual rod a M3 for example, because they might be forged by better technological process, BUT IN PRESS. This test is useless. Thats how it is, not everyone is stupid.
Also remember the M5 V10 has 10 cylinders and is tuned sometimes to super high horsepower, it was essentially roughly based off a detuned BMW V10 F1 engine of the era, also the M3 engines are tuned too, although this was more of a bolt strength test lol 😂
but rather pointless... In an engine the gas explosion drives the piston downward, so the force is compressing the rod, not stretching it. On the return the force comes from the other side pushing the piston up, again compressing the rod. The bolts have very little stress (comparatively) on them in the environment they are actually used.
@@froodtube for the civilian stock engine you are correct. For the higher revving performance engine, stretchering is very much an issue. That pushing up very rapidly becomes pulling down - remember in a 4 stroke there is a compression free cycle as the bore is filled. Now stretching to the point of failure is pretty rare BUT stretching even a few mils can result in valve contact with the piston and a cascade failure shortly thereafter. And in performance applications, bigger valves for air flow and smaller combustion chambers for added compression are usually constrained by that vale to piston face clearance issue. Number one culprit for those failure is the rod bolts and there is a whole industry of aftermarket rod bolts for that very reason. Indeed, even the stretching of a tiny amount for the rod bolts can result in bearing and oiling issues which if not addressed promptly will scuttle an engine.
💪🔩💥 Interesting clash of forces! Connecting rods and tensile load don't seem to be the best companions. 🤔 It's intriguing how they hold up under compression in engines, yet fail under different conditions. I wonder if there's a way to enhance their tensile strength for better performance. 🏎 Let's dive deeper into the world of connecting rods and their design limitations. 💡
After doing some math, it became obvious that the forces on a connecting rod are greatest in tension despite the logical notion than the compression forces are the higher forces. The rapid change in direction during the overlap stroke is where the greatest forces exist. In fact, compression and power actually reduce tension stress on the connecting rod. I replicated this test many years ago with the same results- the bolt is the weak point! However, as the tension increases the shape of the circle distorts and the bearing shell clearance is reduced to zero at the cap seam. Without lubrication, the bearing slips, covers the oil passage and instantly fails. Sometimes the near instant increase in friction at high RPM results in the next weak point, the small end to break the rod at the point just below the small end bearing. Key thing here is use high quality rod bolts, torqued precisely, quality oil, and know the RPM limit because that is the failure point, not the combustion forces. Rev your engine till it spins a bearing, rebuild it and lower the red line by 500? Rev limiter?
Seen quite a number of conrod failures. All have been due to tension, not compression. Applies to both plain bearing conrods with bolts and roller bearing boltless ones. So I think this tests are valid. Last one I've seen this winter had big end and small end intact and conrod in three pieces. Fractures was definitely due to tension. I thought this is common knowledge as it was known in the 1940ies possibly earlier.
There are other actions going on inside the engine. My father owned a garage for over 60 years and I've seen a lot of broken connecting rods, although I've never seen the rod bolts break and I don't recall ever seeing one break at the wrist pin end. They usually break in the beam, sometimes in the middle, sometimes near the big end. I've also seen some that were just bent and not broken.
I found this interesting, but just saw this as a strength test for the bolts, not the actual conrods themselves. Hopefully youll be doing a crush test on them 👍
Its worth mentioning that when rods fail it normally on the exhaust stroke, when its under tension, not compression stroke , this assuming the big end is not seizing and bending the rod axillary, so this test does have a bit of relevance.
@@TheInsultInvestor If you are going to be like that, then you forgot to capitalize that Y and end the quotation with a period. Also, to correct someone, you use a "*".
Pas besoin d’être Ingénieur pour comprendre que se test ne démontre pas la fiabilité des moteurs. Mais j’avoue l’avoir regardé avec plaisir alors je met un like 😊
Awesome. You put together a great test proving failure points. Can you comment on what engine the M5’s had, V10? If it was the V10 S85 engine I’m surprized that the powdered rod held together. I expected them to fail at the small end. Maybe the OEM’s figured out how to make great powdered metal rods. It would be awesome to test the rods with new ARP and competitor bolts. Thanks
The s85 has forged powdered metal rods vs just a regular powdered metal rod like the 530's m60 rod. You can tell by the parting lines along the rod if it's forged
No. Compression force is only one thing. There are other important factors like tensile force (very high during starts/stops), bending force (stress while in motion) and shearing force (stress experienced by the bolts).
@@ejsampana426 in this pulling force the main things suffering until break are the bolts, the con rods are also but in less scsle and is not the right kind of effort this piece experience through its life in the engine, that's the main echoe for me at least.
Superb demonstration of Raw Strength. No doubt people will moan about Physics etc, but the Traban was stronger ! Easier to understand when Profit was not in the equation so much back then.
The "car 1968" connecting rod was best at doing what it was not designed to do. (tension vs. compression). This test was a bit disappointing after clicking the thumbnail for this video with the correct situation illustrated. Go figure...
Interesting concept of how to try to demonstrate the effects of tension stress in action! Would be awesome if someone could somehow demonstrate the strength of the rods themselves rather than the bolts. Perhaps by welding the bottom end to a extra strong steel bar? Either way, thanks for your efforts to demonstrate a theoretical problem in a practical way regardless of the practical value of the demonstration as such.
Decent test. Most rods fail on the exhaust stroke as they try to stop the piston and make it change direction - in a sound motor. In a wore out engine, it may be for any reason like spun main locking up the bottom end, etc ...
I am not an engineer, but tensile strength does matter does it not? I read a lot about compression being more important, but compression only occurs every 2 strokes. In addition rotation creates a tensile force on the conrod and piston with thousands of G’s at top dead center when it gets pulled down at intake.
Common failure is the rod bolt while under tensile stress around top dead center at high rpms. Small rod/stroke ratios make it worse by increasing angularity between crank throw and wrist pin, b/c maximum piston velocity occurs well past the half-of-stroke (90* crankpin position) while ascending and descending. There are fewer degrees of rotation available to slow the piston to a stop and then accelerate it. This means higher Gs. Rod failures usually occur from cracks propagating under cyclical loads, compressive load being part of the whole picture. When rods are being inspected for re-use, beam twist, center-to-center length and out-of-round/diameters are measured. Racers will magnaflux or use dye penetrant to find cracks, which always mean discarding. X-raying is possible but not always available. Rod beams are polished to remove stress risers and shot-peened to restore outer skin compressive strength which resists crack formation. Cracking is why most rod body failures occur, not pure compressive load failure. This is shown by rods that distort under hydraulic lock. They usually bend instead of breaking, ductility rather than brittleness being an engineering goal. Upgraded rod bolts are sold b/c the bolts are so much smaller in cross-section than the rod body, even the small end. I have seen charts that compared loads and they cited acceleration load at high rpm as considerably greater than power stroke load, at least for non-blown engines. The conundrum is that heavier rods are stronger but the extra mass imparts higher accelerative loads, and power output is increased by maintaining torque while raising the rpms. Racers will do this UNTIL something breaks. Bolts, usually.
Ignore whatever negative comments in here. This is useful info actually sone in simple manner. May I suggest to test those rods with arp bolts? Atleast I know the difference using stock bolts against arp bolts.
LOL for that old russian moskvich just destroying them all🤣🤣 also would be fun to test rods from lada niva, many times i have seen one suck in water when offroading, and that usually bends or breaks a rod, but those just don´t tend to break that easily...
I was not expecting much different. The metallurgic properties of a good connecting rod are what they are, regardless of brand. Yes, some alloys are better than others but it isn't necessary, as these parts only break when the car has been subject to severe abuse or neglect. The large amount of plastic deformation on the bolts from the 1968 Russian rod, however, is notable; that alloy was far less brittle than that used in the modern bolts. (I leave it to engineers to decide if that's desirable or not.)
For this test, you need to ask yourself a good question: what does the connecting rod pull test show? In practice, the connecting rods in engines are subject to pressure during operation, tensile forces are marginal. The tensile test measures the strength of the material, but the smallest area of the material that can be stretched must be taken into account. Such a test includes, for example, kg/mm² area. In addition, there are also bolts that connect the connecting rod parts. So what should be measured in the end? - the strength of the bolts or the connecting rod itself? The tensile test shown for the connecting rods makes no sense in practice and can only be presented as a curiosity.
You should do this test with a set of Maxspeedingrods H beam conrods against their stock counterparts. It would be really interesting to see if they are any good. Maybe you can also devise a compression strength test.
I think most all of us watching the the video understand the difference between tensile and compression strengths, as well as the arguments one can make of the bolts. however the video is interesting, the reason I watched it and I think it we can all agree to that... and I think that was the point of it.
Interesting but Conrods are designed for strength in compression and not in tension. Unfortunately whilst interesting, all a bit pointless.
Isnt nearly all of his videos pointless,except for entertainment value? That makes critiquing his videos as if they were for engineering rather pointless,if not mild trolling.
I agree with this point. The main power is exerted when the rod is pushed. On the other hand one would assume, that more expensive cars are made with higher quality materials and components.
I would like to know the weight of each item. I believe the old one is heavier and thicker than the others.
The rogue piston exiting a self-destructing tuned engine on a rolling road at maximum rpm may beg to differ! In almost all production engines, whether NA or forced induction, the highest stresses on a connecting rod are tensile, due to the inertia of the piston changing direction at the top of the exhaust stroke (no compression to reduce the tensile force). The rods in this test were from standard production engines, so the test is actually relevant. High boost engines, exotic fuel burners and engines suffering from detonation or hydraulic locking are possible exceptions to this general case, so top fuel drag racers, and diesel van drivers heroing it through 4 ft of flood water, for example, may count amongst those exceptions!
@@robair67 just what I was getting ready to say. most failures of the pin skirt or rod/bolts are tdc on the exhaust /intake stroke. rods bending are not near as common as stretch and bolt stretch.
@@markwarren3156 thank you, sir!
As a mechanical engineer I can say that this test shows only the tensile strength of the bolts not the connecting rods. Also compression strength is more important than tensile strength in the case of connecting rods because they are mostly exposed to compresion forces.
Only one failed 100% due to bolt failure. The first rod cap stretched until the bolts were subjected to forces in addition to the tension. The second failed due to the bolts. The third one was obviously not the rod bolts.
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Tensile and fatigue failure are the most common failures of con rods and bolts. Compression failures are not common unless engine produce a lot of torque at low rpm such as diesels running large amounts of boost and fuel or adding nitrous at too low an rpm. I have removed plenty of rods from holes in the sides of engines. None were compression failures.
@septicwhelk3654 bro... shut up... you didnt even go to school... mechanic... lmao
@septicwhelk3654As a tractor driver fresh out of MUD?
Me as a skunkinseminator must say, tractor drivers know nothing!
Connecting rods are not optimized for tensile load.
That is why the screws mostly break in this test.
In the engine, they are mainly compressed.
Yep, but they also suffer from tensile forces fue to the piston mass. Also the suffer lateral torsion too! Connecting rods are the MVP of the Engine team!
Tensile stress occurs because of inertia of small end of conrod and piston mass. This is especially important for high rev engines.
That's what I would comment! This test are only checking how strong the screws are not the rods.
This isn't the only forces that the con rod faces.The piston It is a reciprocating mass after all. So when it changes direction at the end of the stroke, there is a significant amount of force involved.
Rods are always rated in Horsepower they can handle. That makes no sense.
It's known that RPM and lower quality bolts (screws) is where they break - at the bolts.
Those old soviet cars were built to last and also in some of the toughest conditions. Not built for speed or high performance just a workhorse to get from A to B. Amazing to see. Thank you for the video.
Ці старі радянські машини постійно ламалися. Про що ви говорите?
Die Moskwitch Pleul sind aus T-64 Stahl gegossen, deshalb halten sie so gut
I bet you never ever drive one.
our grandfathers spent all their time in garages trying to fix these jalopies. many parts were strong because they were simple, and the engineers did not even try to make the design lighter.
Soviet cars were just reliable and durable. But, low performances, high fuel consumption, although they could use low grade fuel, but were having high emissions. In fact, all comunist cars were having high emissions.
@@Xenium_Q modern Chinese Cars dont
I thought you would compress it, not stretch it. So, it’s mostly about the bolts then - isn’t it?
yeah thats what I thought
Interesting part is the M3 the bolts did not give up, But yeah compression will be a better test since this rods get the blunt of the power stroke in compression
I agree. Internal forces are the other way. They push or compress the rod, not pull it. But that would not make for such a fun video because all those rod are more than adequate under normal operation. And actually the lighter the rod, the better it is for gas mileage
In tension it is... Which isn't how connecting rods are loaded anyways. 🤦
Like testing an umbrella upside for how well it sheds water.
*Failure under compression* is a highly atypical failure mode, even for cast connecting rods. Failure usually takes place due to shearing forces in the wrist pin domain, poor lubrication at the big end bearings, or tensile forces on inadequately fastened rod caps. The highest loads on a connecting rod assembly are presented in tension from the reversal of momentum at the extremes of piston travel.
but you're just testing bolts xD
For engineering purpose, technically you should have changed the M5 connecting rod at 5:03, cause results aren't accurate when a tensil trial fails. You can't do a second trail on an object that is already plastically deformed, because it will be falsing results.
it was probably still in the elastic range.
If only the Ocean Gate company understood that.
I think the only result he is looking for is entertainment value.
if we're being that picky, the loading rate was controlled manually, and not very carefully in some cases. if they were measuring yield strength i would agree, but i can't see it making any difference to the UTS.
@@jamesg8246 they didn't understand what testing is.
stockton - " 5" of carbonfibre. that'll do the trick."
mexican employee - "but boss, shouldn't we do extensive testing on it?"
stockton - "nah, it's got to get through 5" of carbonfibre, we'll put microphones on it so we can hear it cracking."
mexican employee - "is it supposed to crack?"
stockton - "there's 5" of it so who cares?"
passenger - "i can hear cracking."
stockton - "look, there's 5" of... "
*radio silence*
I’m really impressed by the strength of the small shackle 👍🏻🇬🇧
I'm 42 and to this day I still dream that one day I'll have an 850. This was oddly satisfying to watch :)
The 850 is my dream car too
Well I hope you live in the US because I can tell you they drink more than an alcoholic on a saturdaynight. Beautiful car, beautiful to drive but I got fed up spending over 300 euros a week just on gas.
fiat 850 was realy good car, my dad had one verry fast.
maintenace costs are crazy - especially engine gimmicks
Why you dream about trashy unreliable car
Thanks mate. Enjoyed every test. My uncle had an estate Moscvitch back in 1977... Couldn't beat our Alfa Romeo but it was reliable!!!
The failure isn't the rods mostly themselves its the bolts
Yes this is wrong process , wrong tensile test not through the rods , through the bolt crimpe and tip hole , this is as result bolt tensile testing !!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@karinanur7844 Not really since many times the bolts won't fail and instead the body of the rod breaks.
Most times when an engine kicks a rod it's on de-acceleration and the rod bolts break.
Impressive. Rod needed high strength bolts. They sell high strength bolts for this reason
"do not try this at home" we all happened to have a hydraulic press lying around at home
I have 6 ,get with the programme.
Not merely a hydraulic _press_ but one that can pull as well. Most "home" units only have a spring to pull them back up.
🤣🤣🤣hilarious .....pure common sense
I have one, a hand cable lug presser 🙂 It can press ten tons!
The amount of effort that this video takes 😮
This deserves a million likes
I am sorry but this does not test the strength of a Piston rod. All you test is the strength of a bolt material. You should try to compress them rather than stretch. The force from the engine act compressing the rod rather than stretching.
Which is why only one them had a bolt failure,
Btw if rods are only made to be compressed
how about exhaust stroke ? The piston is subject to some big a$$ stretch during that phase
Tell me you did not watched the vid without telling me you did watched the vid
Exactly what happens in an engine at high revs during valve overlap. On active compression the forces are smaller, unless there's non compressable fluid in the combustion chamber. During the combustion , the rod gets loaded up, like a coil spring, and that energy will also be released during valve overlap, contributing to the mechanical forces, already at play.
Love it when a classic car shows better engineering than modern design. Just think if combined what you would get for results. Great job again as always.
Silly test, your testing the strength of the bolts.
Tell it to my 530. Lmai
Car 1968 is named Moskvici. My grandpa’s first car 👍🏼
Слава советскому автопрому!
То есть, инженеры других моделей старались, подбирали сплавы полегче, делали деталь более утонченной и при этом не сильно уступающей по прочности москвичевскому огромному тяжеленному шатуну, но слава все-таки советскому автопрому?)
@@Alan_Oralov, не сильно? У 530-го уже на пяти тоннах лопнуло ушко шатуна. У Москвича почти на пятнадцати тоннах только шляпка болта. О чём спор?
@@jack26rus91 я думаю, спор о том, что шатуны других производителей отлично себя показывают в автомобилях. А делать болванку из чугуния - это удел нашего автопрома. Зато, когда-то эта болванка уделает в видосе все остальные и какой-нибудь совколюб расскажет всем об этом событии.
I agree with comments about compression. Something else I'd like to mention is the weight. You could make a steel connecting rod with a huge cross-section that would win this (and a compression) test. But how does it affect the engine performance?
Another mental giant…. Con rods DO NOT fail because of compression…tension breaks them. Dragster engines are always measured for rod stretch…
Bigger and heavier means more reciprocating mass which means bigger crankshaft loadings and crankshaft bearing loadings.
@@Thewatcherinthering336Another mental giant...Conrods DO fail because of compression! Ever heard of water lock? Although it's ment fail because of water lock.
@@Joepie-r3xyes I have, your brain is demonstrating it now….go learn something about engines before commenting…
@@Joepie-r3xnot only that but water cannot compress, so it doesn’t fail because of compression you tool.
You tested the screws, not the rods. The rods are made to be compresed😂
But still impressed about that BMW broken eye. In an overrevving engine it would be a "piston has left the chat"
You are right
@@ziobrik 👍👍👍
4 strock engines:
3 strocks, the rod is compresed by: compresion, detonation, exhaust.
1 strock is admision when piston is pulled down by the rod freely with admision valve oppen.
👍👍👍
Great video! Old and gold! MEGA LIKE 🚗🚗⚙⚙👍👍😉😉
This test is good. Because now you know if you find a broken conrod in your oil sump that it withstood a pressure of 5 000 KG to 15 000 KG, and the dent in the head must be equal to the opposite reaction.
Interesting test , i saw conrods as young bloke in a workshop come out of a ford v8 that had been hydro locked on a few cylinders , the owner thought it would be a good idea to drill some holes in the top of his air cleaner lid below the shaker in his bonnet , it rained over night and filled some cylinders with water , and the next day he fired it up and made some of his con rods come out in an S shape , truly incredible to see .
Yes! A very interesting video! Congratulations and keep them coming!
The Moskwich was built according to the motto: "when we have lack of tanks, then we will take this car"
Interesting that it was the bolts that broke and the old one was strongest, Would be interesting to see some high performance ones like what they use for top fuel drag racing or something.
1968 must have been a good year :).
Actually nobody cared about how much material they use in the communist Soviet Union for a bar. He shows a Moskvich - I never dreamed about.
It just shows the lack of optimization in the Soviet design. The bolts don't need to withstand extreme theoretical forces. The connecting rod should be stressed in compression. For this tensile test, the Soviet design of just a big bolt works well, but is useless in a car that makes a fraction of the power per liter that the BMWs produce.
The crankshaft completes a revolution, removing the compression stress. As others stated, fun test for the strength of steel bolts.
I could see the rods stretching before the breakage,impressive!
This proof old is gold❤❤❤.
In Holland we have a saying. Alles was vroeger beter meaning everything was better in the old times 👍
Ja ne , die goed word deesdae gemaak met die doel om breuk.
we say the same in Greece.
@@Georgealfa21everybody says this everywhere
Гордость берёт за качество совка.лайк!
Props to you always finding interesting objects to test for us to see. Thank you my friend. Love it how you collect different rods from different cars from different era. Cheers
Don’t care what all the engineers have to say, this only reminds me of my Lada Niva’s toughness ! Too many salty winter Canadian roads (1982-97) but even after rust took the plates it did a few more years hauling at the cottage. Dirt cheap bare bones tanks, from Russia with love.
this is one of the most interesting videos youve posted. Congrats on 1 M subs!
To add my bit to the mix. In the 70's I owned a Ford transit and fitted a worked over 250 2V Ford I6. With exhaust opened it would rev to 7600 before valve float. Now onto the guts of my outline. We had a very severe rain storm. Unknowlingly, rain water ingressed into the intake ( 650 Holley double pumper. ) Car wouldn't start on SM. I decided to let it roll down the hill and kick start it. Fine in theory BUT dropping the clutch in 2nd gear in a 3660 lb tranny van. An almighty bang and the engine kicked over and started on 5 -1/2 cylinders. Pulled it down and found the bore had split from the hydraulic malady. Both the Ford factory piston and rod were still intact. Rod was checked and straight. Same with the factory piston. A testimony to the strength of the early Falcon I6s. Sleeved the broken bore refitted the recip assy and ran it for a another couple of years giving the 200HP hitrous kit a constant workout. LOVE DEM FORD I6s and now the Barras.
Now that you got the press warmed up lets go to the test that matters! Compression. Mr. Craig Waddell described it perfect. Love presses.
I just knew the 1968 would be the strongest by looking at how thick it is and the rust
Sorry, but you not testing strenght of conrods, but strenght of screws. Conrods in engine must withstand the pressure, not tension. In the correct direction of stress, the screws are not stressed and the part can withstand much more force. Great video, out of reality.
Never thought that ancient Russian engineering would trump the best from Germany 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Basically you're testing the tensile strength of the big end bolts.
In automotive racing engines, the metallurgy with the connecting rods have improved immensely from the 1950s to the present; especially so in the US NASCAR race series; where the engines used, as its base, were the high performance engines from the US automotive manufacturers [General Motors, Ford, & Chrysler].
The term "blown engine" was used to describe engine failures among the participants in the NASCAR races in the 1950s through the '70s; and was especially common in the 1950s and '60s. Many times those "blown engines" were due to connecting rod failures.
But in the 21st century, the rate of blown engines, in NASCAR races, are seldom, and I can't recall the last time there was an engine failure due to a broken connecting rod in the past 20+ years of NASCAR races.
Haha never underestimate Russian engineering
The highest loads on connecting rods are in compression rather than in tension as it's the expanding, hot gasses pressing down which provide the greatest forces. There are, of course, significant tensile forces too, as on the induction stroke, the piston has to be accelerated downwards quickly (on the firing stroke the hot gasses push the piston down).
Not to say that tensile strength isn't important, but they are optimised for the compressive forces and will be stronger in that direction.
You can often see the difference on an older, stripped down engine with different wear patterns on the big end bearings.
High RPM requires stronger rods, too.
Usually, a bearing will go long before a rod.
Turning a normally aspirated car by turbo conversion will have parts fail in the bottom end. Use forged pistons and rods and uprated bearings.
Bit off topic there but im a petrol hesd.
Getting hard to find bearings that have backing other than aluminum.
My 1968 car rods are still just fine.
I also liked how the drum roll got faster and faster right before the rod broke.
Nobody is going to talk about how a Soviet-made Moskvitch conrod from the 60's outperformed BMW's conrods strength during test.
Oh right and we wont mention it had twice the amount of metal either.
Good luck reving up an engine with those anchors inside...
Old car stronger material...fact...!!!!!
Moskvitch were removed from sale in UK (1970’s) due to their inability to stop… the strength of their con rods was never questioned although I’m sure Putin is making much of this Russian technological supremacy over the west as we speak.
Weight !
because this was mostly testing the strength of the bolt.
and Soviet one was bolt and nut going through the rod,
where as other ones are bolt screwed into the rod.
As in older V8 engines, which had PUSH rods, connecting rods are made to PUSH, not pull..
Interesting tensile strength test/comparison. Compression strength of the rods is just as or more important, because of the power and compression strokes putting more downward, compression, stress on the connecting rods, and wrist and crank pins.
Uhh nope…. The bearing takes the downward force, the rod will break and stretch because of tension
@@Thewatcherinthering336 The rod is what transfers the downward force of the piston to the crankshaft, on the power stroke, which is compression stress on the length of the rod. It also takes the compressive stress of the compression and exhaust strokes. The rods can get bent and broken from that stress, if not robust enough. The rod does take some tensile stress on the intake stroke, but not as much as the compressive stress on the power stroke. I don't follow your, "Uhh nope." statement, or appreciate it.
@@wmden1 uhh, nope once again. You obviously have no experience with engines so just admit it. Sure the downward compression is a stress producing force on the rod, it has to be. The biggest impact from compression is on the bearing load. Tension is what breaks rods and rod bolts(think about how rods fail, they don’t get crushed, they stretch and break). This force is centrifugal force on the rotating assembly. Compression down force moves the rotating assembly without any sort of appreciable play, it’s the upswing of the piston and rod assembly that has NO stop against centrifugal force, except for the stretch of the rod and rod bolts. Even dragster engine rods get measured for stretch not compression on every tear down. Plus I don’t care if you didn’t like my comment, get a clue, build some engines first.
@@Thewatcherinthering336 I have had plenty of experience with engines, if you think there is no compressive force on the connecting rod, piston end to crankshaft end, during the power stroke, you are the one who needs to think again. Sure there is centrifugal force on the lower end of the connecting rod, and tensile to boot. I'm not saying there isn't. You are saying no compressive on the rod and that is completely incorrect. I have seen plenty of bent and broken rods. I'm done with you.
@@wmden1 once again…uhhh nope! Never once said there is no compressive force on a con rod. You said that. Obviously you have not had any experience with engines nor did you comprehend my comments. There is no compressive force on intake stroke, little compressive force on exhaust stroke, compression and power stroke have the most force. But still not nearly enough to cause catastrophic failure of a rod. Again, rods do not fail due to crushing force, they fail because they were literally torn apart from the sudden direction change at the end of the stroke combined with the centrifugal forces. Ending in an over stretched rod or rod bolt. That, clown, is what causes rods to break. No one has ever seen a crushed connecting rod except in the aftermath of a tension break. Go build some engines, take a physics course and stop being the pivot man…
For everyone who is making comments about the compression strength of a conrod, you obviously don't understand the stresses involved in a naturally aspirated internal combustion engine. The GREATEST load on a conrod at revs is during valve overlap at the end of the exhaust stroke. Due to piston inertia, the load at revs is often several tonnes/tons. The only thing keeping the piston is the engine is the rod, which is why conrod bolts are so important. Even in boosted engines, inertia loads will often be vastly more than compression loads. I've seen many more big end and bolt related failures as a result of tensile loads in my life than issues related to compressive load. If you go to Steve Morris's channel and look at his Great Exodus series of videos, you will see the results of a high rpm tensile failure in a very high horsepower boosted motor. Admittedly this video doesn't deal with cyclic fatigue, but it does demonstrate the ultimate tensile strength of a component, and the probable failure point.
Test an old Volvo B20 rod. That would be fun to watch.
Warum testest du Pleuel auf Zug? Das Bauteil ist auf Druckbelastung ausgelegt, und nicht auf Zugbelastung. Dies sind 2 verschiedene mechanische Belastungen welche eine komplett andere Werkstoffauswahl zur Folge haben.
love how bombproof the ole '68 proved to be!!
It is, but the problem with overbuilding is an exponential loss of efficiency. Plus you probably couldn't rev it much past 3500 rpm for all the rotating mass.
there are new bolts on Moskvich rods and bolts are weak point in this test
My knees are sore from watching this good video 😊
Comments regarding compressive strength being what matters- do you guys work on things? Do you find connecting rods crushed from compressive forces? I think maybe "no" on both counts. I have seen bolts break in tension, and rods snapped due to cantilevered forces, after oil starvation and seizing to a still a spinning crankshaft. I have seen rods bent due to compressive forces from hydraulic locking...water ingestion. One of those ran tens of thousands of miles very bent, and was found when disassembled for unrelated reasons. Never saw a rod fail in compression. Maybe top fuel guys do?
Even rods from engines I knew were suffering from preignition showed no distress, and this is pretty abusive. Probably more so to the bearings.
I think you may be imagining some impossibly large explosion occurring...not so. While forceful, it should be a somewhat smooth event. BMEP, or average cylinder pressure during the power stroke, isn't that awful high. Over 200 PSI BMEP is pretty good.
Also, the bolts are irrelevant when the rod is in compression, but certainly matter @ TDC.
"You're just testing the bolts.." is a strange comment. They are part of the rod, and are a failure point.
I read in these comments, and elsewhere, that the rod's toughest moment is the piston deceleration between the exhaust and intake stroke. Similar forces probably exist at BDC...but, again, I see rods/bolts fail in tension, not compression.
A last observation- this guy is breaking stuff in his press for our amusement, it's not an engineering class. Just enjoy it. I Crush stuff in my 75 ton press for fun sometimes, my kid loves it. Me, too.
dear lord thank you. comments have a simplistic view of how engine components work together. sheesh
lol what kind of joke are u, OF COURSE rods are bend or crushed from compressive forces esp when u add way more tq to an engine for example by a bigger turbo. it happens every day.
so just stfu if u are that clueless
@@LeavingCaladan same for u wannabe
@@strammerdetlef sit down dork
Well, connection rod would never suffer such forces, unless piston will stuck in chamber, but that wouldnt create such a strong force. This test was supposed to be about connection rods, not their bolts. As from engineering middle school, almost every student of physics know how this test might be done. We know from the top of our heads also the diagrams for steel of this tests.
More importantly, it might be very interesting to see the results of usual rod a M3 for example, because they might be forged by better technological process, BUT IN PRESS.
This test is useless. Thats how it is, not everyone is stupid.
コンロッドの圧縮テストかと思い見たら、まさかの引っ張りですか⁉️
でも、これはこれでは面白い‼️
出来れば、各エンジンのスペックものせて、ヘッドの質量と最高回転数時のヘッドスピードからその時の負荷まで調べていただき、テスト結果との対比が有ればなお楽しめたと思います。
This is a little like testing a helmet for resistance to bursting when the head inside of it expands. Still fun to watch though.
Also remember the M5 V10 has 10 cylinders and is tuned sometimes to super high horsepower, it was essentially roughly based off a detuned BMW V10 F1 engine of the era, also the M3 engines are tuned too, although this was more of a bolt strength test lol 😂
After market rod bolts would make a big difference
but rather pointless... In an engine the gas explosion drives the piston downward, so the force is compressing the rod, not stretching it. On the return the force comes from the other side pushing the piston up, again compressing the rod. The bolts have very little stress (comparatively) on them in the environment they are actually used.
@@froodtube for the civilian stock engine you are correct. For the higher revving performance engine, stretchering is very much an issue. That pushing up very rapidly becomes pulling down - remember in a 4 stroke there is a compression free cycle as the bore is filled. Now stretching to the point of failure is pretty rare BUT stretching even a few mils can result in valve contact with the piston and a cascade failure shortly thereafter. And in performance applications, bigger valves for air flow and smaller combustion chambers for added compression are usually constrained by that vale to piston face clearance issue. Number one culprit for those failure is the rod bolts and there is a whole industry of aftermarket rod bolts for that very reason. Indeed, even the stretching of a tiny amount for the rod bolts can result in bearing and oiling issues which if not addressed promptly will scuttle an engine.
that's why arp rod bolts are a great upgrade if you are doing a basic rebuild, for those that failed at the rod bolts.
💪🔩💥 Interesting clash of forces! Connecting rods and tensile load don't seem to be the best companions. 🤔 It's intriguing how they hold up under compression in engines, yet fail under different conditions. I wonder if there's a way to enhance their tensile strength for better performance. 🏎 Let's dive deeper into the world of connecting rods and their design limitations. 💡
Connecting rods work mostly under compression
After doing some math, it became obvious that the forces on a connecting rod are greatest in tension despite the logical notion than the compression forces are the higher forces.
The rapid change in direction during the overlap stroke is where the greatest forces exist. In fact, compression and power actually reduce tension stress on the connecting rod.
I replicated this test many years ago with the same results- the bolt is the weak point! However, as the tension increases the shape of the circle distorts and the bearing shell
clearance is reduced to zero at the cap seam. Without lubrication, the bearing slips, covers the oil passage and instantly fails. Sometimes the near instant increase in friction at high RPM results in the next weak point, the small end to break the rod at the point just below the small end bearing. Key thing here is use high quality rod bolts, torqued precisely, quality oil, and know the RPM limit because that is the failure point, not the combustion forces. Rev your engine till it spins a bearing, rebuild it and lower the red line by 500? Rev limiter?
Did you torque the bolts with a torque wrench?
If not, the results could be different.
Seen quite a number of conrod failures. All have been due to tension, not compression. Applies to both plain bearing conrods with bolts and roller bearing boltless ones.
So I think this tests are valid. Last one I've seen this winter had big end and small end intact and conrod in three pieces. Fractures was definitely due to tension.
I thought this is common knowledge as it was known in the 1940ies possibly earlier.
So the old saying.."They don't make them like they used to" still applies
yea
There are other actions going on inside the engine. My father owned a garage for over 60 years and I've seen a lot of broken connecting rods, although I've never seen the rod bolts break and I don't recall ever seeing one break at the wrist pin end. They usually break in the beam, sometimes in the middle, sometimes near the big end. I've also seen some that were just bent and not broken.
I found this interesting, but just saw this as a strength test for the bolts, not the actual conrods themselves.
Hopefully youll be doing a crush test on them 👍
Like the lying thumbnail implied.
Its worth mentioning that when rods fail it normally on the exhaust stroke, when its under tension, not compression stroke , this assuming the big end is not seizing and bending the rod axillary, so this test does have a bit of relevance.
ridiculous test, rods have greatest strength on compression. Your testing the tensile strength of the fasteners. But interesting video regardless.
"you're" Go back to school before you tell anyone anything.
@@TheInsultInvestor If you are going to be like that, then you forgot to capitalize that Y and end the quotation with a period. Also, to correct someone, you use a "*".
Not a ridiculous test at all.
I love your videos, I was kinda lost with this one though. Still cool either way.
This has nothing to do with connecting rods strenght test
Lol!!😂
Bolt strength revealed.😢
Руски Москвич, топ изпълнение !
That 1968 rod probably weighted twice as much too affecting the limited RPM's it could produce
Pas besoin d’être Ingénieur pour comprendre que se test ne démontre pas la fiabilité des moteurs. Mais j’avoue l’avoir regardé avec plaisir alors je met un like 😊
Cool topic! Would be great to see a conrod from the Volvo B18/B20/B30 tested to learn if it really is so over-engineered as their rumor.
All this tells me is Russian Nuts and Bolts are very strong! Well done to Moskvitch 😊
Awesome. You put together a great test proving failure points. Can you comment on what engine the M5’s had, V10? If it was the V10 S85 engine I’m surprized that the powdered rod held together. I expected them to fail at the small end. Maybe the OEM’s figured out how to make great powdered metal rods. It would be awesome to test the rods with new ARP and competitor bolts. Thanks
It is the s85. Although that’s not the type of stress connecting rods are rated for, I was surprised it was so string
The s85 has forged powdered metal rods vs just a regular powdered metal rod like the 530's m60 rod. You can tell by the parting lines along the rod if it's forged
@@jesselambert9006 M3 connecting rod tested on this video is also a forged one.
@@harrynamkoong3361 I thought I noticed it looked like it was forged, never seen one in person. Only a s85, s62 and M62
@@jesselambert9006 S54 rod from E46 M3. Forged and split fractured from the factory
I cannot understand why people would waste time watching a press crush stuff, but here I am again.
Sorry, but the conrods are made to resist compression and not forces of pulling it long.... So the conclusion is: wrong solicitation!
My thoughts exactly, thanks 👏
@@JohnMichaelOsbourne i think the same
No. Compression force is only one thing. There are other important factors like tensile force (very high during starts/stops), bending force (stress while in motion) and shearing force (stress experienced by the bolts).
Who gives a fuck?
@@ejsampana426 in this pulling force the main things suffering until break are the bolts, the con rods are also but in less scsle and is not the right kind of effort this piece experience through its life in the engine, that's the main echoe for me at least.
Superb demonstration of Raw Strength.
No doubt people will moan about Physics etc, but the Traban was stronger !
Easier to understand when Profit was not in the equation so much back then.
Stal w naprężeniu jest ponad 2x mocniejsza niż w kompresji. Czego ten test miał dowodzić?
The "car 1968" connecting rod was best at doing what it was not designed to do. (tension vs. compression). This test was a bit disappointing after clicking the thumbnail for this video with the correct situation illustrated. Go figure...
Interesting concept of how to try to demonstrate the effects of tension stress in action! Would be awesome if someone could somehow demonstrate the strength of the rods themselves rather than the bolts. Perhaps by welding the bottom end to a extra strong steel bar? Either way, thanks for your efforts to demonstrate a theoretical problem in a practical way regardless of the practical value of the demonstration as such.
Decent test. Most rods fail on the exhaust stroke as they try to stop the piston and make it change direction - in a sound motor. In a wore out engine, it may be for any reason like spun main locking up the bottom end, etc ...
Would have been interesting to also note the weight of each rod
I am not an engineer, but tensile strength does matter does it not? I read a lot about compression being more important, but compression only occurs every 2 strokes. In addition rotation creates a tensile force on the conrod and piston with thousands of G’s at top dead center when it gets pulled down at intake.
Common failure is the rod bolt while under tensile stress around top dead center at high rpms. Small rod/stroke ratios make it worse by increasing angularity between crank throw and wrist pin, b/c maximum piston velocity occurs well past the half-of-stroke (90* crankpin position) while ascending and descending. There are fewer degrees of rotation available to slow the piston to a stop and then accelerate it. This means higher Gs.
Rod failures usually occur from cracks propagating under cyclical loads, compressive load being part of the whole picture. When rods are being inspected for re-use, beam twist, center-to-center length and out-of-round/diameters are measured. Racers will magnaflux or use dye penetrant to find cracks, which always mean discarding. X-raying is possible but not always available. Rod beams are polished to remove stress risers and shot-peened to restore outer skin compressive strength which resists crack formation. Cracking is why most rod body failures occur, not pure compressive load failure. This is shown by rods that distort under hydraulic lock. They usually bend instead of breaking, ductility rather than brittleness being an engineering goal.
Upgraded rod bolts are sold b/c the bolts are so much smaller in cross-section than the rod body, even the small end. I have seen charts that compared loads and they cited acceleration load at high rpm as considerably greater than power stroke load, at least for non-blown engines. The conundrum is that heavier rods are stronger but the extra mass imparts higher accelerative loads, and power output is increased by maintaining torque while raising the rpms. Racers will do this UNTIL something breaks. Bolts, usually.
All this really shows is whether the bolts holding them together are stronger or not
Ignore whatever negative comments in here. This is useful info actually sone in simple manner. May I suggest to test those rods with arp bolts? Atleast I know the difference using stock bolts against arp bolts.
LOL for that old russian moskvich just destroying them all🤣🤣 also would be fun to test rods from lada niva, many times i have seen one suck in water when offroading, and that usually bends or breaks a rod, but those just don´t tend to break that easily...
I was not expecting much different. The metallurgic properties of a good connecting rod are what they are, regardless of brand. Yes, some alloys are better than others but it isn't necessary, as these parts only break when the car has been subject to severe abuse or neglect.
The large amount of plastic deformation on the bolts from the 1968 Russian rod, however, is notable; that alloy was far less brittle than that used in the modern bolts. (I leave it to engineers to decide if that's desirable or not.)
For this test, you need to ask yourself a good question: what does the connecting rod pull test show? In practice, the connecting rods in engines are subject to pressure during operation, tensile forces are marginal. The tensile test measures the strength of the material, but the smallest area of the material that can be stretched must be taken into account. Such a test includes, for example, kg/mm² area. In addition, there are also bolts that connect the connecting rod parts. So what should be measured in the end? - the strength of the bolts or the connecting rod itself? The tensile test shown for the connecting rods makes no sense in practice and can only be presented as a curiosity.
Most of the time with high quality rods, its the rod bolt that snaps. You know you have crappy rods when the rod breaks somewhere.
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Next you to push on them,
You should do this test with a set of Maxspeedingrods H beam conrods against their stock counterparts. It would be really interesting to see if they are any good. Maybe you can also devise a compression strength test.
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I think most all of us watching the the video understand the difference between tensile and compression strengths, as well as the arguments one can make of the bolts. however the video is interesting, the reason I watched it and I think it we can all agree to that... and I think that was the point of it.