Teaching my daughter how to set up her new GrapheneOS phone recently was very satisfying. Her proudly declaring her secondary profile was successfully set up and using security & privacy features was awesome. Having control over apps and privacy is far more empowering than bragging and showing off the number of apps you've got. Again, great video!
@@NaomiBrockwellTV I thought the apps were installed in isolation via Sandbox method. 3:32mins in, thats what I meaning, sandbox is default on all modern phones and you need to grant permission. Two 3rd-party apps are not talking directly with each other; the apps make API calls the phone native features (cameras, browsers, etc). What am I missing?
I love the different characters from your videos, they are super-funny (even when they are based on very scary concepts). Hopefully GrapheneOS will become compatible with more and more devices.
I decided to loan my phone to a nephew on a road trip for playing games but didn't want him to mess with anything else. The extra profile was awesome for this.
I love the way you share your wisdom of information to all of us for free and it just makes me love you more for what you do for the community! Thank you very much, Naomi! You are the real MVP!
While backing up old files I stumbled on an intriguing PDF by a trend forecasting company, talking about online privacy in 2013, from an aesthetic fashion inspiration perspective. Very strange read now. I'd be happy to share it.
Amazing and eye-opening video! Thanks so much for the simple yet detailed explanation and examples. This is a feature I see on my Android tablet but now I understand it better and have a real use for it.
All of your videos about GraphenOS make me want to use it, enough that when I needed a new phone I bought a Pixel. But as someone without a lot of extra time or energy to fool with something, I'm still a little nervous about changing the OS on my phone and having to figure new things out. I use Linux on my computers, and these days that is very close to as simple as using a Mac, but when I first started using Linux quite a while ago, I would sometimes run into problems trying to do something that I didn't have time to deal with and it was a hassle. Anyway, one day when I am feeling like I have a little extra time and patience, I will finally try GraphenOS (or possibly a different open source version of Android). (Also, I do have a tiny worry in the back of my mind because of Louis Rossman's interaction with the developer of GraphenOS, but probably that's not really something to worry about.)
@@pieceofpeace35 The video is called, "Why I deleted GrapheneOS." It's from a while ago, and I think the person that Louis was talking about it in that video may have stepped back from his role in GrapheneOS, but I don't follow this situation closely, so if you are interested, better look into it.
m.ua-cam.com/video/4To-F6W1NT0/v-deo.html&pp=ygUYbG91aXMgcm9zc21hbm4gZ3JhcGhlbmUg I don’t know the status of that dev & Louis, like if they reconciled or not. Louis’ issues with graphene’s dev seem to be entirely a matter of conduct, not technical. So the information of Naomi’s video is unaltered.
@@pieceofpeace35 search "Why I deleted GrapheneOS". Ultimately any reasonably open custom rom is going to be a better deal for the purpose of this video than graphene, and something like postmarketos is more compatible on a larger variety of phones anyway.
Watching this video pop up as recomended after switching profiles in graphene and thinking about it. Long time has passed since I started using it and I don't think graphene is as private as it is pictured.
It’s important to specify which OS’s you’re talking about when you say “phones” act a certain way. You show an iPhone, but iOS apps don’t inherently have access to other apps or knowledge about what other apps are installed. The OS does. An individual app can use an API call to show the user the “Share Sheet” for example, and the OS will list other apps based on content categories, but the app that triggered the share sheet can’t see what apps get listed. I can’t speak to how android handles things, but on iOS, both 1st and 3rd party apps have to specifically request permission from the user, at the time of the action, to get information from another app. And even then it’s very limited. (It’s used for things like copy/paste, sometimes extensions, and some other niche situations). Not trying to say iOS is on the level of grapheneOS, just that a lot of blanket statements don’t universally apply between iOS and android.
I like the idea of different profiles but it might be good to go into more detail about why you have put what apps into each of your four profiles. If I end up using Grapheneos I would leave the main user account very secure. I don't mind using alternative apps to replace things like Google maps. However I do use one or two apps that might require the Google play services to run, for instance Instagram and two banking apps. Making sure I set these things up correctly at the outset would seem important yet I don't fully understand just how many profiles would be wise to have. For instance for utmost security would I have a profile just for the two banking apps? I also like the idea of different profiles to get around the issue of only being able to have one a WhatsApp account on a phone. I know I won't convince people to use Signal but I currently have two phones, 4 Sims (different businesses) and two WhatsApp accounts. My limited understanding of Graphene makes me think I could just have one phone with one SIM and one active esim and the less busy businesses as other stored esim that I make active once a day to check for messages. This combined with profiles might meet my needs but I'm yet to see a Grapheneos video that completely answers all my questions.
Question for Naomi: Although Grapheneos does a good job is granular control, has anyone checked the hardware that it sits on? Case in point, intel management engine and granular software control.
Hey Naomi, it would be great to hear you talk about Samsung security and privacy. We understand its a Google Hybrid but is Samsung safe to side load (F droid and Aurora store insted of using Play store). Unfortunately Samsung s23 have the best size and form factor for portability. Pixel phones are so heavy and bulky these days.
On GrapheneOS turning off running in the background may not stop the app. Returning to the profile often shows apps on the screen but without focus. This should mean all processes for the app were not stopped. A search suggested disabling background services. Would be interested to know your thoughts and if this needs further investigation.
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Open up a few apps, Brave, etc. I ask you to go to a different profile and then return. The screen will appear clear. Check to see if those apps are still running. Easy to open up another app and then use the bar to swipe up to view the other apps that are still running. I know I don’t have to tell you or your staff what to do. Just explaining my process to ensure I didn’t accidentally stop them.
That is the reason I always manually force all these apps to hibernate in the background. There is no reason for them to stay awake and do stuff that invades my privacy
Can we have a separate list of contacts per user? I want the work list separate. I will be bringing them over with the export and import function from two different phones.
I've been watching, reading and learning. My big question is this.. Why use separate profiles if each app is already sandboxes? Help!! I understand the scenario of using the same app with a different login in each user profile. Just not seeing the use without that scenario if apps are truly sandboxes.
Too many think, oh I have a VPN so I'm safe or even a degoogled phone so I'm even more safe with a VPN also on it and yet their phone is overloaded with APPS with default permissions. Naomi, Many phones just DON'T allow change the OS, so can you point us to 'friendly' phones that will allow the OS to be changed???
She is referencing GrapheneOS in this video. That The operating system runs exclusively on the Google Pixel devices. As I understand it, this is in large part due to the pixel devices and their hardware allowing you to install a new operating system without breaking the hardware security layer. ( Someone please speak up if I'm misunderstanding this. ) Exclusively working on a tight range of products probably increases the quality of craftsmanship by reducing the scope of work.
@@experiment54To clearify, if It runs on a device other than pixel devices. I usually think, if i were on a windows os its bad opsec to have my standard profile be admin. Installing an os via root is like taking that even further and making my standard profile run as system with cmd or powershell open.
Do banking apps work with Graphene OS? A few years ago, I installed an Android version based on AOSP, and I could not install my banking app. I received a message stating that this is not an official version of Android.
I've never thought of using profiles like that. I just broke my phone today, so my next phone will be a Pixel of some sort, so that I can run GrapheneOS.
Is there a recommendation for a fitness/workout tracker that automatically synchronises to a local server? I've not found anything both private and convenient yet. :(
Okay, what about the device serial number and Google ID? Are they different for different profiles? If they are the same, the app will at least know that you have more than one profile or account on the same device. I think Facebook for example doesn't allow you to have more than one account.
You don’t void the warranty. You can even put it back to Google pixel software. Buying a grapheneOS phone is nothing other than trusting someone else to put grapheneOS on the pixel phone.
Wow! So I could set up a second profile for my car and not have it be able to access all the info it wants? That would be so cool would that work or would the car still be able to take anything? Can I stop the apps from talking to each other without Graphene? Or the car to phone? I didn't even know there was something other than android and iPhone
It is sad that having some privacy is a side gig in IT nowadays, got burnt out and got an iPhone for slightly better defaults and trying to not cave into rooting and getting stuck micromanaging every permission for each app… Exhausting and living in a city with an it job I can’t escape having a phone. 🤷♂️
The only thing i don't like so far is the inability to turn on the hotspot on a secondary profile.. If that's an option, I've not found it. However, if you turn it on with the owner account, it stays on when switching to secondary accounts.
Just a couple of doubts: 😊 -A secondary profile running in background can have a sort of access to the data on the main profile? - Even sandboxed apps can still communicate with each other? Really informative content! Thank you guys! 😊
I love your content! I'm learning so much. I tried out Odysee, but it's overrun with white supremacists, conspiracy theories, and hate content. I guess that's what happens with a video platform or social media app when it isn't moderated. I understand why you'd like the privacy options over there, but does it bug you to have to share such a space with Nazis?
I had a dream, a dream where all those features were implemented by default by developers phones manufacturer's. A world , where regular people didn't have a military cyber security and privacy skills. A world where all time spent to configure their graphene OS phone's, would instead be spent outside in the nature without their phones. Unfortunately, Gafas headshoted me for saying that :(
m.ua-cam.com/video/yCBUczkkZWM/v-deo.html&pp=ygUZYW5kcm9pZCBtdWx0aXBsZSBwcm9maWxlcw%3D%3D This is pretty succinct but I don’t know if it’ll allow for the same kind of apps, services, & profile sandboxing Naomi described w/ graphene.
It is commonly known that Pixel phones are privacy oriented. It's commonly known by every foreign government that it's these phones are the ones they need to target. It's also commonly known that baseband modems are closed source and are made by a very limited number of factories. With those facts in mind, you can pretty much guarantee that the baseband modem design and firmware implement a way to directly access the memory even when the device is 'at rest', and that foreign governments know exactly how to do it. It would be extremely naïve to think otherwise. Actual privacy cannot be achieved unless you live deep enough underground that satellites can't see you, have geothermal power, eat only those things you can farm underground, never come out, and don't use any technology of any kind to communicate with the rest of the world for the rest of your life.
I suspect you are correct but for me No need to worry about nation states but rather the data miners who sell my info. Also concerns about hackers. I haven’t worried about implementing counter measures but am thinking I will on principle.
I don't have a problem with my phone capturing any information on it... for the purposes of advertising (because I pay no attention to the ads anyway (although they are bothersome)). However my RED LINE is when they (Google Et al) provides this data to government agencies, and then that data is used to incriminate me. This practice is in fact a Search without a warrant ? I understand there are a lot of legalities in this practice, but very few legalities are for MY protection. And although a search after I have given permission is legal... there is NO option in many Terms of Service "agreements" to opt-out of these warrant-less searches. i.e. I am FORCED to agree in order to use the product/service, and in many cases there is no option to pay for the product/service in order to opt-out of this data collection. The US Justice department needs a complete overhaul !!!
May I ask why you change thumbnails and video titles on brand new videos? I thought one of your videos was gone and was disappointed until I realized it was just retitled.
You can search if it is compatible with lineage os or calxos, graphene is is pixel specific. Bank apps will work on pixel because the bootloader can be relocked, but other os you can't relock the bootloader so some secure apps may require you to use the web browser instead of an app
know what freaked me out for a while about wifi? is that there are studies that show that wifi signals can be used to x-ray people's homes in astounding resolution to see what they are doing in all areas of the house and with who. Not sure if you made a video about it, but would love to hear your take on it. Reading articles about it freaked me out for a while, but, I don't think it's as crazy or scary as some of those articles strongly suggested or outright just flat out said. Probably playing up the hyperbole for the clicks and the views. Still, would like to see your take on it.
No! That was experimenting in the 90s by using a system called Celldar. It was to use reflected waves from cell towers to build a picture. It never worked properly and was dumped. A UK company was paid £Millions for the research. The first efforts showed blobs moving, but it wasn't possible to distinguish a car from a person apart from by speed. The other problem was cell coverage and reflection. It just never worked but was a bit of fun. If security services want to see in your house they will get a camera in. Check sockets, smoke alarms and inside virgin and sky tv boxes as they were regularly used. You would need to be a high value target for all that.
What a pain in the butt. As a consumer I don't want to do all of that when it should be already designed into the expensive cell phone Android or otherwise.
I always thought it quite ODD that the only way to use GrapheneOS is to purchase a Google Phone which we are trying to rid ourselves of so it is rather suspect to the actual security of the GrapheneOS on the Google Pixel Phone. It really sucks you can’t install this on any of the phones. I’d dump iOS if I knew it would run on an iPhone or a Sony Xperia. Unless I can get GrapheneOS on my phone of choice I won’t bother. Hate Google. Im not convinced Linux is a better choice either.
This is good info and all.. but USELESS for those of us without the very limited pool of phones (ie Pixel) that GrapheneOS supports. No phones in the Galaxy have ever been supported.
@@experiment54 Which is probably why she didn't bother outlining instructions for setting up secondary profiles on non-alternative firmware flashed phones. I bought my phone at the worst time possible - while being under-the-gun to replace a broken one - with no time to research.
Hi Naomi, If apps are sand-boxed between profiles, how can you have notification between profiles if there is no communication between them ? Thank you a lot for your hard work !
From what I understand is that the app notifies the OS. So when you switch to an other profile, the app in the profile still running in the background notifies the OS and the OS then shows that.
@@WickedMuis But does the app not shut down because we switched profiles ? I'm confused. Is the profiles that we are not logged in still active when we are not using it ?
So why not do a video on how to install Graphene on a new Pixel, without requiring technical knowledge. This is what stops people doing it. Then tell them they can't use a lot of the Apps they have now, like banking etc. Various things are broken, notifications are one example. Do a guide for the average phone user to install Graphene and get it running how your android phone does!
There is no technical knowledge. It’s all done through their website. Plug your phone into a computer or another android phone. Goto the website, click install. They do the rest. It couldn’t be anymore user friendly
They talk way too much. And they all want location and contact permissions. The time will don't when they won't even show you what permissions they want because they will not longer ask for permission.
Teaching my daughter how to set up her new GrapheneOS phone recently was very satisfying. Her proudly declaring her secondary profile was successfully set up and using security & privacy features was awesome. Having control over apps and privacy is far more empowering than bragging and showing off the number of apps you've got. Again, great video!
What do you do with push notifications?
@@lussor1 Easy to set in GrapheneOS
You are an awesome parent :)
#lineageOs
@@NaomiBrockwellTV I thought the apps were installed in isolation via Sandbox method. 3:32mins in, thats what I meaning, sandbox is default on all modern phones and you need to grant permission. Two 3rd-party apps are not talking directly with each other; the apps make API calls the phone native features (cameras, browsers, etc). What am I missing?
I realized the blatant app communication when Spotify and UA-cam started showing me ads based on my Twitch history.
Yep Instagram giving me targeted ads gleaned from the stock broker app…. I’m a convert to the privacy cause
Naomi = pure excellence.
Thank you! I had no idea my apps “know” about each other. Time to make some changes.
I love the different characters from your videos, they are super-funny (even when they are based on very scary concepts).
Hopefully GrapheneOS will become compatible with more and more devices.
💛
Don’t bet on it. Only the pixel phone passes the security requirements for grapheneOS
Naomi is the type of woman that takes your phone addiction away
no addiction ever goes away, ever
I decided to loan my phone to a nephew on a road trip for playing games but didn't want him to mess with anything else. The extra profile was awesome for this.
I love the way you share your wisdom of information to all of us for free and it just makes me love you more for what you do for the community! Thank you very much, Naomi! You are the real MVP!
While backing up old files I stumbled on an intriguing PDF by a trend forecasting company, talking about online privacy in 2013, from an aesthetic fashion inspiration perspective.
Very strange read now. I'd be happy to share it.
Very enlightening. Thank you once again! 😊
Amazing and eye-opening video! Thanks so much for the simple yet detailed explanation and examples. This is a feature I see on my Android tablet but now I understand it better and have a real use for it.
All of your videos about GraphenOS make me want to use it, enough that when I needed a new phone I bought a Pixel. But as someone without a lot of extra time or energy to fool with something, I'm still a little nervous about changing the OS on my phone and having to figure new things out. I use Linux on my computers, and these days that is very close to as simple as using a Mac, but when I first started using Linux quite a while ago, I would sometimes run into problems trying to do something that I didn't have time to deal with and it was a hassle. Anyway, one day when I am feeling like I have a little extra time and patience, I will finally try GraphenOS (or possibly a different open source version of Android). (Also, I do have a tiny worry in the back of my mind because of Louis Rossman's interaction with the developer of GraphenOS, but probably that's not really something to worry about.)
Oh no what happened to Louis? Do you know the video he talks about it?
@@pieceofpeace35 The video is called, "Why I deleted GrapheneOS." It's from a while ago, and I think the person that Louis was talking about it in that video may have stepped back from his role in GrapheneOS, but I don't follow this situation closely, so if you are interested, better look into it.
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I don’t know the status of that dev & Louis, like if they reconciled or not. Louis’ issues with graphene’s dev seem to be entirely a matter of conduct, not technical. So the information of Naomi’s video is unaltered.
@@pieceofpeace35 search "Why I deleted GrapheneOS".
Ultimately any reasonably open custom rom is going to be a better deal for the purpose of this video than graphene, and something like postmarketos is more compatible on a larger variety of phones anyway.
Watching this video pop up as recomended after switching profiles in graphene and thinking about it. Long time has passed since I started using it and I don't think graphene is as private as it is pictured.
It’s important to specify which OS’s you’re talking about when you say “phones” act a certain way.
You show an iPhone, but iOS apps don’t inherently have access to other apps or knowledge about what other apps are installed. The OS does. An individual app can use an API call to show the user the “Share Sheet” for example, and the OS will list other apps based on content categories, but the app that triggered the share sheet can’t see what apps get listed.
I can’t speak to how android handles things, but on iOS, both 1st and 3rd party apps have to specifically request permission from the user, at the time of the action, to get information from another app. And even then it’s very limited. (It’s used for things like copy/paste, sometimes extensions, and some other niche situations).
Not trying to say iOS is on the level of grapheneOS, just that a lot of blanket statements don’t universally apply between iOS and android.
Yes. This was implied to be about iOS and then wasn’t at all.
Are you gonna be ok? Cmon mate, lets hug it out, she didn't mean to pick on your friend.
Absolutely right. This is for Android type of OS. iOS already sandboxes apps. While I appreciate this information, I’ll stay with my iPhone w/iOS.
I would never own an I phone. The main headquarters is in China. I don't think our information should be located in a communist country. 73
I like the idea of different profiles but it might be good to go into more detail about why you have put what apps into each of your four profiles.
If I end up using Grapheneos I would leave the main user account very secure. I don't mind using alternative apps to replace things like Google maps. However I do use one or two apps that might require the Google play services to run, for instance Instagram and two banking apps. Making sure I set these things up correctly at the outset would seem important yet I don't fully understand just how many profiles would be wise to have. For instance for utmost security would I have a profile just for the two banking apps?
I also like the idea of different profiles to get around the issue of only being able to have one a WhatsApp account on a phone. I know I won't convince people to use Signal but I currently have two phones, 4 Sims (different businesses) and two WhatsApp accounts. My limited understanding of Graphene makes me think I could just have one phone with one SIM and one active esim and the less busy businesses as other stored esim that I make active once a day to check for messages. This combined with profiles might meet my needs but I'm yet to see a Grapheneos video that completely answers all my questions.
Question for Naomi: Although Grapheneos does a good job is granular control, has anyone checked the hardware that it sits on? Case in point, intel management engine and granular software control.
Hey Naomi, it would be great to hear you talk about Samsung security and privacy. We understand its a Google Hybrid but is Samsung safe to side load (F droid and Aurora store insted of using Play store). Unfortunately Samsung s23 have the best size and form factor for portability. Pixel phones are so heavy and bulky these days.
Pixel 6a is super light and absolutely not bulky, has enough performance for normal gaming and shoots great photos - dunno what you are talking about.
Thank you so much for what you're doing!
This vodeos are amazing
I'm thinking to give up smartphones, but those solution could help in many cases
Thanks for adding actual captions for the Deaf
I just picked up the iPhone SE I’m liking the feature of hide your email. With google they don’t even do that.
On GrapheneOS turning off running in the background may not stop the app. Returning to the profile often shows apps on the screen but without focus. This should mean all processes for the app were not stopped.
A search suggested disabling background services. Would be interested to know your thoughts and if this needs further investigation.
It completely resets the device every time you exit the profile. It's like turning your phone off, which does stop applications from running.
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Open up a few apps, Brave, etc. I ask you to go to a different profile and then return. The screen will appear clear. Check to see if those apps are still running. Easy to open up another app and then use the bar to swipe up to view the other apps that are still running. I know I don’t have to tell you or your staff what to do. Just explaining my process to ensure I didn’t accidentally stop them.
What are the alternatives to Google Translate? is DeepL good in terms of functionality and privacy?
Is unplugged phone a great ok goo phone, what are u thoughts on the unplugged phone?
That is the reason I always manually force all these apps to hibernate in the background. There is no reason for them to stay awake and do stuff that invades my privacy
There is a setting in setting per app to stop them running in the background. No need to force close them.
Can we have a separate list of contacts per user? I want the work list separate. I will be bringing them over with the export and import function from two different phones.
Do you have a full tutorial or breakdown for more privacy focused OS?
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Makes me curious if there are any systems to restric or prevent cloning the memory and then brute forcing the passwords out that way.
MTE I believe covers that.
Could using the secured folder on a Samsung phone work too?
Thanks for posting
I've been watching, reading and learning. My big question is this.. Why use separate profiles if each app is already sandboxes? Help!!
I understand the scenario of using the same app with a different login in each user profile.
Just not seeing the use without that scenario if apps are truly sandboxes.
Too many think, oh I have a VPN so I'm safe or even a degoogled phone so I'm even more safe with a VPN also on it and yet their phone is overloaded with APPS with default permissions.
Naomi, Many phones just DON'T allow change the OS, so can you point us to 'friendly' phones that will allow the OS to be changed???
She is referencing GrapheneOS in this video. That The operating system runs exclusively on the Google Pixel devices.
As I understand it, this is in large part due to the pixel devices and their hardware allowing you to install a new operating system without breaking the hardware security layer. ( Someone please speak up if I'm misunderstanding this. )
Exclusively working on a tight range of products probably increases the quality of craftsmanship by reducing the scope of work.
@@RLTIIIother phones don’t pass the necessary security standards. Pixel is the best so they concentrate on that. It’s a great phone.
@@experiment54To clearify, if It runs on a device other than pixel devices.
I usually think, if i were on a windows os its bad opsec to have my standard profile be admin. Installing an os via root is like taking that even further and making my standard profile run as system with cmd or powershell open.
Do banking apps work with Graphene OS? A few years ago, I installed an Android version based on AOSP, and I could not install my banking app. I received a message stating that this is not an official version of Android.
Does app knows it’s the same device when installed on 2 profiles (on graphene os)? Particularly relevant for banking apps…
Yes
@@dudi2200 proof ?
I've never thought of using profiles like that. I just broke my phone today, so my next phone will be a Pixel of some sort, so that I can run GrapheneOS.
Pixel
Motorola
Samsung over 4 years old
One plus
There are plenty of options for unlocked roms
@@Invidious-Gamer graphine is garbage. It still installs gaps so you might has well have stuck with Google.
Is there a recommendation for a fitness/workout tracker that automatically synchronises to a local server? I've not found anything both private and convenient yet. :(
I need some help after installing grapheneos on Google 8A phone I cannot lock the bootloader I just get an error message
And on my Samsung A24 how do I do this second profile? I cannot find it anywhere.
Okay, what about the device serial number and Google ID? Are they different for different profiles?
If they are the same, the app will at least know that you have more than one profile or account on the same device. I think Facebook for example doesn't allow you to have more than one account.
Great video 👍
Cool but I don't wanna void the warranty. Where can I buy a GrapheneOS phone?
You don’t void the warranty. You can even put it back to Google pixel software.
Buying a grapheneOS phone is nothing other than trusting someone else to put grapheneOS on the pixel phone.
can i use the google wallet on my google play services profile?
Wow! So I could set up a second profile for my car and not have it be able to access all the info it wants? That would be so cool would that work or would the car still be able to take anything? Can I stop the apps from talking to each other without Graphene? Or the car to phone? I didn't even know there was something other than android and iPhone
Thanks Naomi. 👍🏻
Thanks Ron
What about e/os? Is it comparable to graphene?
What about game Apps? Are they also spying on is?
Can you update google phone with out sim card before downloading grapheneos?
I don't think of myself as having something to hide. This is a lot to take in.
It is sad that having some privacy is a side gig in IT nowadays, got burnt out and got an iPhone for slightly better defaults and trying to not cave into rooting and getting stuck micromanaging every permission for each app… Exhausting and living in a city with an it job I can’t escape having a phone. 🤷♂️
Can you set each profile up so they have different languages?
The drm id doesn't change across profiles and can identify u
The only thing i don't like so far is the inability to turn on the hotspot on a secondary profile.. If that's an option, I've not found it. However, if you turn it on with the owner account, it stays on when switching to secondary accounts.
very based setup. nice.
Just a couple of doubts: 😊
-A secondary profile running in background can have a sort of access to the data on the main profile?
- Even sandboxed apps can still communicate with each other?
Really informative content!
Thank you guys! 😊
Graphene only works with Google Pixel Phones I believe not Samsung but excellent videos
User accounts on phones?!? I didn't know that...!! I noticed they talk to each other, and thats one reason I use 3 + 1 phones
Ohhh.... not available on my Samsung S24u (One UI 6.1) 😢
I love your content! I'm learning so much. I tried out Odysee, but it's overrun with white supremacists, conspiracy theories, and hate content. I guess that's what happens with a video platform or social media app when it isn't moderated. I understand why you'd like the privacy options over there, but does it bug you to have to share such a space with Nazis?
I just curate my feed to only see the stuff I like!
I had a dream, a dream where all those features were implemented by default by developers phones manufacturer's. A world , where regular people didn't have a military cyber security and privacy skills.
A world where all time spent to configure their graphene OS phone's, would instead be spent outside in the nature without their phones.
Unfortunately, Gafas headshoted me for saying that :(
Just installing grapheneOS is enough for most people. Everything is set up to be more secure and not call back to Google.
Okay, nice
How do you set it up on normal off the shelf Android phone
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This is pretty succinct but I don’t know if it’ll allow for the same kind of apps, services, & profile sandboxing Naomi described w/ graphene.
You say you have a video to put Graphene os on my phone can you show me the video please?
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What about the up phone by that Prince guy?
I am seriously taking in consideration to ditch my iPhone and get a pixel with graphene
I have made that call as well. F! Apple.
It is commonly known that Pixel phones are privacy oriented. It's commonly known by every foreign government that it's these phones are the ones they need to target. It's also commonly known that baseband modems are closed source and are made by a very limited number of factories. With those facts in mind, you can pretty much guarantee that the baseband modem design and firmware implement a way to directly access the memory even when the device is 'at rest', and that foreign governments know exactly how to do it. It would be extremely naïve to think otherwise.
Actual privacy cannot be achieved unless you live deep enough underground that satellites can't see you, have geothermal power, eat only those things you can farm underground, never come out, and don't use any technology of any kind to communicate with the rest of the world for the rest of your life.
I suspect you are correct but for me No need to worry about nation states but rather the data miners who sell my info. Also concerns about hackers. I haven’t worried about implementing counter measures but am thinking I will on principle.
Thank you
THANK YOU!!!
I don't have a problem with my phone capturing any information on it... for the purposes of advertising (because I pay no attention to the ads anyway (although they are bothersome)). However my RED LINE is when they (Google Et al) provides this data to government agencies, and then that data is used to incriminate me. This practice is in fact a Search without a warrant ? I understand there are a lot of legalities in this practice, but very few legalities are for MY protection. And although a search after I have given permission is legal... there is NO option in many Terms of Service "agreements" to opt-out of these warrant-less searches. i.e. I am FORCED to agree in order to use the product/service, and in many cases there is no option to pay for the product/service in order to opt-out of this data collection. The US Justice department needs a complete overhaul !!!
Give the other profiles different wallpaper colors so you can see right away which profile you're on.
But ios already has sand boxing by default for all apps, right?
as mentioned, grapheneOS has really rigorous sandboxing. It doesn't stop apps communicating.
How about ios? Does it happen and how to protect against it?
I would assume I shouldn't add grapheneos to my google phone with my own wifi ?
I do wish grapheneOS would add interprocess communication firewalls, or at least monitoring.
These communication functions between apps are written in the app manifest.
May I ask why you change thumbnails and video titles on brand new videos? I thought one of your videos was gone and was disappointed until I realized it was just retitled.
Because thumbnails completely determine how many people watch your video. If it doesn't do well, I change it.
Apologies but Google being the root of all personal data abuse, why would we buy their Pixel phones for Graphene? Need alternative hardware
Every time I open an MS app, it opened all the other ones in the background.
Is it safe up upgrade my android 10 to this new OS? How? Blade x1 5G Z6750MV?
You can search if it is compatible with lineage os or calxos, graphene is is pixel specific. Bank apps will work on pixel because the bootloader can be relocked, but other os you can't relock the bootloader so some secure apps may require you to use the web browser instead of an app
Just use the 2 tin can phone
2 tin can phone?
know what freaked me out for a while about wifi? is that there are studies that show that wifi signals can be used to x-ray people's homes in astounding resolution to see what they are doing in all areas of the house and with who. Not sure if you made a video about it, but would love to hear your take on it. Reading articles about it freaked me out for a while, but, I don't think it's as crazy or scary as some of those articles strongly suggested or outright just flat out said. Probably playing up the hyperbole for the clicks and the views. Still, would like to see your take on it.
No! That was experimenting in the 90s by using a system called Celldar. It was to use reflected waves from cell towers to build a picture. It never worked properly and was dumped. A UK company was paid £Millions for the research.
The first efforts showed blobs moving, but it wasn't possible to distinguish a car from a person apart from by speed.
The other problem was cell coverage and reflection.
It just never worked but was a bit of fun.
If security services want to see in your house they will get a camera in. Check sockets, smoke alarms and inside virgin and sky tv boxes as they were regularly used.
You would need to be a high value target for all that.
Batman movie showed this
Did Google add a back door to the Google phone
If they did it’s off in grapheneOS
Thanks
What a pain in the butt. As a consumer I don't want to do all of that when it should be already designed into the expensive cell phone Android or otherwise.
I always thought it quite ODD that the only way to use GrapheneOS is to purchase a Google Phone which we are trying to rid ourselves of so it is rather suspect to the actual security of the GrapheneOS on the Google Pixel Phone. It really sucks you can’t install this on any of the phones. I’d dump iOS if I knew it would run on an iPhone or a Sony Xperia. Unless I can get GrapheneOS on my phone of choice I won’t bother. Hate Google. Im not convinced Linux is a better choice either.
Your video headline is not correct to what is in the list and content🙄🤔
The amount you can gather from API's alone, let alone if you can get an app installed on a phone..
Bonjour ❤😊
Merci ☺️
I have not put a new app on my phone in 6 years and removed everything I don't need that I can.
still using Signal?
yep
Why wouldn't we...
Don't fall for the propaganda.
Naomi, what are your thoughts on the Nothing phone ?
It's garbage
Why are you preferring GrapheneOS over LineageOS?
What you doing and what you looking at that you need to do all this secretly stuff and files and everything what you looking at on your phone
This is good info and all.. but USELESS for those of us without the very limited pool of phones (ie Pixel) that GrapheneOS supports. No phones in the Galaxy have ever been supported.
Galaxy doesn’t pass the security checks.
Samsung is pants, and locked in with Google.
@@experiment54 Do Samsung phones allow secondary profiles?
@@effsixteenblock50 doesn’t matter. The OS has access to everything and will report back to Homebase all the time.
@@experiment54 Which is probably why she didn't bother outlining instructions for setting up secondary profiles on non-alternative firmware flashed phones. I bought my phone at the worst time possible - while being under-the-gun to replace a broken one - with no time to research.
Hi Naomi,
If apps are sand-boxed between profiles, how can you have notification between profiles if there is no communication between them ?
Thank you a lot for your hard work !
From what I understand is that the app notifies the OS. So when you switch to an other profile, the app in the profile still running in the background notifies the OS and the OS then shows that.
@@WickedMuis But does the app not shut down because we switched profiles ? I'm confused. Is the profiles that we are not logged in still active when we are not using it ?
Yes it is nefarious
If what you do is important to the world then you should be using a Precursor Phone. You are important and a target by dictators or wannabe dictators
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So why not do a video on how to install Graphene on a new Pixel, without requiring technical knowledge. This is what stops people doing it.
Then tell them they can't use a lot of the Apps they have now, like banking etc.
Various things are broken, notifications are one example.
Do a guide for the average phone user to install Graphene and get it running how your android phone does!
There is no technical knowledge. It’s all done through their website. Plug your phone into a computer or another android phone. Goto the website, click install. They do the rest. It couldn’t be anymore
user friendly
Worth mentioning the Secure Apps/Folder on Samsung phones which might be good enough for some here.
One such app is TikTok. That is why the ban is coming.
Banning TikTok is ridiculous. Google / FaceCrook collect *far* more data and sell it without regard to any national / geographic boundries.
One secondary profile per girlfriend. The first and maybe only purpose of this feature.
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They talk way too much. And they all want location and contact permissions. The time will don't when they won't even show you what permissions they want because they will not longer ask for permission.
I love the apps.
the most safe way is do not use it at all .
Graphene only works on pixel phones. So this is kind of useless info.
no one said it's easy. If you want privacy, this is the way. Can't have any privacy when a rootkit runs on your phone at all times.