Christian Horner's Red Bull Plan in Crisis
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2024
- 🔥 Unveiling the Dramatic Rivalry: Christian Horner's Red Bull Plan Faces Crisis! Explore the electrifying clash between Formula 1 titans Christian Horner and Toto Wolff, ignited by the highs and lows of Red Bull and Mercedes since the thrilling 2021 season, vividly depicted in the hit series 'Drive to Survive.' Delve deep into the contrasting narratives of Red Bull's operational excellence, propelling them to success in the ground effect era, while Mercedes grapples with challenges and lobbying efforts for rule modifications. Join the debate on Lewis Hamilton's pursuit of perfection, amidst whispers of excessive setup experimentation during free practice sessions. Unravel the internal turbulence brewing at Red Bull following the passing of Dietrich Mateschitz and the appointment of new CEO Oliver Mintzlaff, potentially jeopardizing Horner's firm grip on the team's reins. Meanwhile, witness Toto Wolff's strategic acumen as Mercedes maintains a poised demeanor amid Red Bull's tumultuous landscape. Embark on this exhilarating Formula 1 journey with us as we dissect the drama, unveil the power play, and chart the course of this epic battle for supremacy! 🏎️💥
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Do you think the ford deal will last beyond 2030?
fix your fing car, NO you fix your car because checo says the car is fuacked 😂 this still get me to this day
I 'ave it printed ouut
And as you know, its only Max who like a heavily over steered cat. Best setup on paper but hard to drive and it's only Max who can handle it of Amy driver pm the grid
Lives in my head rent free 😂
@@NiclasHorn This is sort of reminiscent of 1994. The Williams FW16 was hard to drive at the edge, but Senna managed it. After his death, Newey turned it down a notch, with the updates at the Spanish GP and Hill managed to get more out of the car. Having a driver like Verstappen (or Senna) must be a dream for a guy like Newey (and his team), he can just design a car without compromise, knowing the driver can handle it. With Verstappen out, he's going to have to rethink his design strategy to maximise results. Perez wouldn't be able to win 19/22 races with the current car. I doubt (m)any other driver(s) could.
In Vegas, with everything that went wrong, Wolff's attitude was despicable!
especially toward fred after Sainz issue, or really - F1's issue locking down caps
Yeah I was disgusted with him. It makes him more like a corporate executive trying to smooch off F1's butt.
I mean if you were to lose money wont you try to save it @@blacksterangel
He owns shares in F1
Karma :)
The art of story telling. The way the whole video was structured and the preparation it took with the workload of uploading atleast a video a day, hatsoff to the dedication 👏
Bro gave a youtuber like to a bot comment 😭
Best F1 UA-camr
He’s the king of 2 fields
And best dragonball UA-camr masakoX
I agree.
At first it was awkward with the whole ladder thing. So I would skip his videos. Now I’m an avid watcher.
@@IemandLol-wc3eq lol. That is epic. 😮
Ron Dennis was untouchable, until he wasn't.
The problem with investigations like this transparency isn’t always an option due to private information and confidential team information.
As making it transparent will allow access to this material and could have major consequences and by hiding certain parts of the information would be worse than not releasing anything
I see your point but the opacity of the investigation simply leads us to believe that this was simply a formality and a kangaroo court of sorts with Horner declared innocent of any wrongdoing.
Men in positions of power can and have continuously gotten away from such issues because of "investigations" like these. I'm not one for calling someone guilty but the screenshots were pretty damning and it's not hard to believe that a man in power would do something like this.
People are so spoiled by TikTok and other stuff where people post everything about their lives they believe they have a right to know everything that happens. It's a weird because Red Bull is privately owned as well. That is one of the perks of being private.
LH continually adjusting the car is nothing new. James Vowles has already said that Lewis was playing around with settings continually compared to Nico. But That enabled LH to find more performance once he found the right setup.
Lewis copied Nico's setups most of the times. 😅
She’s never going to find the right setup on this car.
@@robbienl8176 No he didn't buddy, watch the Vowles interview.....he's explained it in depth.....
Your h@te for Lewis must make you believe he's not a GOAT driver.....go listen to someone who's actually worked in the business at the top level and is now a TP....as to how talented Lewis actually is ...✌🏻
@@Batman22222 Nico beat him, so he can't be the GOAT.
The GOAT wouldn't lose a championship to Rosberg.
That’s why by the end of 23 he had Russel on ropes
Hey Law. Thanks for making my day by uploading. I find your one of, if not, THE most unbiased and not toxic F1 Channel on UA-cam. And the most entertaining from the bits to your way of speaking as if your right infront of me talking like a real enthusiast.
A case of the little head doing the thinking
My 11 year old son even likes him alot. We enjoy watching and listening to him on our drives to and from school. Entertaining and honest. Love the use of language and voices. You are like one of us. 😊Great job.
Yeah right! You mean biased to the core! Not an objective podcaster!
NO LAWVS NO THATS SO NOT RIGHT
Hear me out here.
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Man I’ve never seen a dominant team implode this quick in all of my existing life , hell Ferrari and Mercedes lasted longer than this. Dietrich Mateschitz death really created a vacuum and divided everyone
Imploded😅
You wish 😂
Succession planning has value. What a mess.
Mercedes imploded in 2021
@@ua697winning the constructors and losing the drivers by one race isn’t “imploding”
@@ua697 I think a corrupt Aussie had a LOT to do with that.
And the Belgian Grand Prix, 2 laps in procession counts….F. O
Thank you for the consistent uploads Law. I watch your videos on my lunch whenever there is a new upload!! I’m always looking forward to my lunch whenever you upload!
LawVS is the man.
Respectfully, personnel investigations are almost NEVER transparent. Every person is entitled to a measure of privacy. Neither Horner nor the accuser are exceptions to that general rule.
Notice that the accuser has not (as of Friday afternoon) stepped up to the microphone and identified herself. She has not appealed. She has not filed a civil action.
If your goal was, “I get to examine the evidence for myself and make up my own mind,” you were going to be disappointed from the outset. Your expectations were not in line with the way personnel investigations work.
Spot on. The accuser and accused should not be broadcast to the world. if the accuser wins the case - staying in the firm becomes difficult, do people feel safe with communications, what action will offend etc. They could also become known as a trouble maker. Neither outcome is good for the future career. Lose the case - have yourself known to all and as above - the potential new bosses and workers will be cautious of interactions.
The accused will have the "mud sticks" problem. 'Is it true, and they got away with it?'
Transparency for Christian Horner is a mute point, he is already known. He can afford to step back/retire/move on. Presumably the accuser is not a multimillionaire - so work will be needed - elsewhere or back in Red Bull. Ein or lose, justified or not - she loses either way. Again 'mud sticks.'
I'm more curious if the text messages that were leaked were a fan fic write up or the real deal. And who was said whistleblower.
While this is probably true, especially in cases like this where one part clearly holds far more power some transparency is required for the conclusions to be believable. It's in the company's best interest to find their team boss innocent if at all possible, and if they can set the prescedent that opening your mouth gets you fired, all the better.
I guess we'll see whether this gets escalated outside the company, but we all know a lot of people won't have the time, money and energy to keep fighting.
“I get to examine the evidence for myself and make up my own mind”
You're right - a lot of people, especially content creators, seem to feel entitled to such information. People need to understand that some things are none of your business. In my opinion the situation would've been terrible and even more damaging to any party, if they decided to release names, release parts of the evidence, and parts of anything.
Especially in cases were inappropriate behaviour has been mentioned, people tend to side with the woman and consider sexual harassment to be the case.
The issue with principles of Mercedes, McLaren, and Ferarri chiming in, is that now it seems as if "Horner got away with it."
Several things have been leaked and that should be reason to sue the leaker. The fact that no one can determine whether those text messages were, all of them, 100% real, is shown that there's barely any article about it. And from hearing, if those text messages are true and it's considered "inappropriate behaviour", well, I have a lot of text messages and emails from female managers that could get sued.
In the end - People need to mind their own business. People, who are not involved in the case, should respect the conclusion of the verdict. As of writing, the accuser is going to court. That is really the only thing we can do.
We are F1 fans and spectators. Gossip is something for the female tabloids and female hairdressers. Let's be passionate but also level-headed. I mean, what if you were accused and the judge or investigation declares you innocent. But you still have people at your door claiming you're a perpetrator ...
@@ozzyp97 It doesn't need to be believable to you. The company knows what is best for them. This is you just wanting to know what was said. Red Bull is a private company not sure who you are expecting to escalate it, since this has nothing to do with F1 itself.
With the flurry of F1 UA-camrs coming in, it can be difficult finding the ones that actually have the preparation and quality. You always have and it’s refreshing, keep it up!
Red Bull is the motorsport version of the comically evil corporate meteorologists from twister
Nice work ladderman. You are the top f1 UA-camr. Keep it up.
Thank you for not click baiting like every f1 channel at the moment. At this point i dont know what team Max will be driving at next year lolol
This power struggle was bound to happen, but frankly I am not sure why the Thai side of the business even allows it, they control the majority of the house get it sorted.
As for Horner feeling like RBR is his, in many ways it sort of is he build that team up to what it has become now and having a strong reign can be very beneficial specially if like him you seem to be able to get the right people in the right places
Nice to finally hear your take on this Law.
Transparency won’t happen bc the problem they are having has nothing to do with an employee. CH, AN, and an investment group are buying a portion or all of the Thai ownership. RB Austria are furious and created the CH scandal as an attempt to stop this deal from happening. RB Austria has failed and this deal will go through and CH & AN will come out of this with a stake in the team.
This is the best theory i've seen that explains spandex-gate. If CH can keep AN, he wont need MV to succeed.
My brain isn’t working apparently, because I can’t for the life of me think who AN is…
@@mmwosu adrian newey i guess
Aww F, Newey…
AN is Adrian Newey 🤦♂️
@@mmwosu No worries. I assure u your brain still works better than mine. 😀
RB better be careful here. Mintzlaff has zero F1 experience. Horner has 20 years experience building that very team into a powerhouse. That direct experience of how F1, the motor racing and business/show, works is vitally important. See Alpine and Bruno Famin as just the latest example of a new comer having problems if you doubt it.
Only if Verstappen leaves the team, Redbull will be in trouble.
Not really there are about 4 drivers who are near verstappens level if redbull get any of them you can expect rbr to stay dominant
Edit: four drivers being Alonso and hamilton being proven champs, leclerc showing hes capable of winning and having great pace throughout races and sainz/russel/lando(less likely)
I think the team behind the scenes is stronger than that. Good young drivers in the wings, a struggle, yes probably. But at least Jos can then haunt Toto when Max joins Merc. It would be good to see Max's ability in an inferior car. Driving in circles on his own can't be that invigorating.
The whole affair seems to me to be a stitch up, or has become one. Merc, McLaren whining about Red Bull, Toto's constant jibes at RB, CH and even MV - especially 2021! Toto would grab Max, yet he has trashed Max multiple times - why Max would move there is mind boggling. But at least Daddy will start to hound Toto about what Toto does and doesn't do for Max.
Well if he takes people with him especially if he manages to get Newey to go with him then RB really is in trouble.
@@Umar-gw6fyexactly, it’s Newey mostly, but and even Horner to a lesser degree since he’s built team into this power house, they need to keep. Disagree about there being 4 drivers at his level. There are 4 others that could win the WDC in an RB, but only Alonso and Lewis are proven to be near his level.
@@Umar-gw6fy That remains to be seen so far Max left all his teammates behind Ricciardo, Sainz , Albon, Gasly, Perez. We can only be sure if you actually name those 4 drivers and when and if he get's them as teammates in the future.
Thank you for this post. Don't believe enough people are talking about this situation in an all encompassing manner. Wonder if the 'party/rebel team' attitude is part of the problem now 20 years on from inception. Have you done a post on all the parts suppliers for all the teams?
I'll be completely honest, half the time I don't understand what's he's talking about. Yet I've seen almost all of his videos, his energy and know of f1 is addictive. Keep it up bro ✊🏽
At first, I only thought it as a possibility, but as this goes on. Why I feel that it's very likely that the "power play" at RBR are orchestrated by outside party rather than inside?
This is why Horner is a genius but unfortunately the Austrian side want to bring it all down.
Sad really Horner’s plan would make RBR strong for many years.
Is there any reason why you record in a ladder? I’m just curious.
Perhaps good sound.. My guess
Cheap setup, not many hassles or much space needed so cost effective.....
Also UNIQUE.....
He has another channel Masakox where does anime reviews maybe he doesn’t have another room for F1 review
Jsyk you’ve become a star. Keep rising
Gotta disagree on one point Law: we have no right to demand more transparency over the Horner situation at this point.
The investigation was conducted in a way that concealed the identity of the complainant, who (had they desired to) had the option to file charges publicly. They didn’t do this, presumably because they did not desire this. So again, we are neither a complainant nor a defendant in this matter, and more importantly, neither is anyone else in the sport, ESPECIALLY Toto and Brown. We have no right to demand any additional level of transparency at this stage, and to do so is self serving and disrespectful.
It's incredible this isn't how people see it at this point.
@@spoolin05srt
People are too nosy. Also, no one is talking about the timing of this “scandal” and how it coincided perfectly with trying to subvert Horner’s back door effort to buy the majority stake in the team
can't they be transparent about how the investigation was done and what it revealed, without revealing the identity of the complainant?
@@mmwosuA 'back door' effort to buy the team is impossible, because Red Bull isn't a public company. The only way to buy any of it is to convince either the Thai or the Austrian side to sell all or part of their share - good luck with that!
@@vvayoutvvest
Man, you really need to read up, because that is EXACTLY what’s been going on. Horner has been courting the Thai contingent that owns 51%, opposed to the Austrians who own 49%. The Austrians got word of this and all of a sudden this “scandal” broke the headlines. You tell me what’s going on….
Hi Law! Some food for thought and potential views (if you aren't already aware)-
F1 now has *THE GUENTHER STEINER COLUMN* for the ex-tp to get his views and all out and report -
His first(?) article is about both why he should have left earlier, and why Haas should sign Ollie Bearman (as well as his experience with Ollie in Haas' practice sessions) - which are both views that you've been quite vocal about in past months!
It may be interesting to hear your take, or just some useful backup quotes in future videos. The man is instant clicks, but I think it will also be a trove of anecdotes and stories for you to use (especially for ollie here) week to week to spice things up and back up points :)
How can you talk about the RB situation without mentioning Jos and Marko being the poison pills they are. The only person in this mess who has publicly said the situation is unworkable is Jos. He was a cancer as a driver, and is worse as a father.
He’s a criminal as well. They let a fox in the hen house. They should sick the dogs on him.
The car is so good they should teach Max a lesson about being his own man by sacking him and hiring Sainz. Max isn’t winning a title at Mercedes next year if he leaves.
It has ever been thus when the leader of an empire passes away:
Those second-rate souls who clawed their way up the greasy pole by kissing it fight over the succession, but none are really up to the job. So the empire collapses from within (RB execs) or is knocked-over by unfriendly powers from without. (Joss)
FWVLIW: For all the crap that poisons the sport of F1 these days this channel is a welcome breath of fresh air - do keep up the good work.
I'm like 90% you live in an Airship and that's why you're always climbing up.
Nope. It's just a regular ol' ladder.
I only know the horn dawg not Chris hornier 😂
May i ask what transparency you specifically would have liked to have seen? How would you have changed either the process or communication strategy if you were in charge of RedBull corporate? Given this is an internal private matter with confidentiality considerations as well as private testimony from numerous individuals what exactly could have been communicated? There was a summary decision of the process disclosed as well as some disclosure regarding the process and right of appeal.
I'm not sure I agree that red bull needed more transparency. It may be the case that they had to keep everything confidential for the benefit of both parties involved. The thing is, the media really has no right to wade into a sensitive and confidential HR dispute and demand complete transparency and all the information. We likely won't know all the info for a long long time, if ever, sadly...that's just the nature of these kind of things...
Great video as always though Masako :) you're really uploading regularly, and rapidly becoming one of my favourite f1 youtubers ❤
It may be the case, but it's also clear that an internal investigation is likely to be stacked in Horner's favour whether he guilty or not. Of course the company wants to keep wants to keep their team boss and prospective owner if they can get away with it, and if they can scare others into silence by terminating the employee, all the better.
So while we may not be entitled to information, you'll excuse me if I just ignore the results of an investigation I have no reason to trust.
@@ozzyp97 It's not for you to judge.
@@MrBashem Oh? It's my opinion based on the facts available to me, that's just how opinions work. I can personally judge Christian Horner however I want, not that I actually even said anything about him. My comment is about the obvious flaws of the process, both in this case as well as others.
@@ozzyp97 It is your opinion there are flaws.
@@MrBashem Whatever you say, Mr. blind faith in internal investigations.
F1 is truly becoming a Netflix show with all this drama.
I feel bad for being curious about this whole drama.
Hey law!
Im be heading to Melbourne for the race week
I hope I will be fun!
Have fun!
excellent commentary! we don’t know if the investigation was impartial. though everyone said, let us wait now for the outcome of the investigation, and therefore committed themselves to the outcome. since the complainant asked for horner to be replaced, it made it political from both sides at a minimum.
THIS could make for a compelling season of DtS, but I doubt Netflix will make mention of any of this
Hey law can we get a video on the BTS on how you record and edit for your videos
He said he will, but first 100K subs
Now that I think of it, Mercedes might have more to gain than to lose from having Lewis moving
We agree with you!!! Backroom politics has no place in F1 & it's up to all the the F1 media focusing solely on all the F1 teams upgrades that effect 'on track' performances needed to make F1 more competitive.
I wonder if we'll be discussing the embattled Horner during the summer break. If Horner is ousted, would the Thai side try to bring back Albon as Checos' replacement for the next season? Would the austrian side push for a different driver?
14:15 THIS! THIS is the reason why imo they are not performing. Not all owners want to put in money. Some just treat them as cash cows. Thats why i no longer believe than merc will ever win championship (unless we get stock F1 cars). Ferrari and Redbull are the only F1 teams I believe in right now.
Great factual item, well presented. Can we loose the step ladders and filming in a loft? 2:30
Lack of transparency does not mean sloppy. "Sloppy" is media speak for "Wah wah wah! Tell meeeeeeee! I want to knooooowwwwwww. Wah!"
Fine I’ll subscribe
As a Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes fan, I find this optimism of Mercedes' return to glory and Red Bull's impending doom unrealistic, premature and wishful thinking. There's a cottage industry of UA-cam channels & podcasts that have fed this hopium drug to Silver Arrows and Lewis Hamilton's fan base over the last couple of years. I just hope this channel keeps it real on Mercedes' struggles and doesn't go the direction of "the team is just an upgrade away from decimating Red Bull" fantasies.
TBF the Thai side is the real Red Bull
And the controlling side of the business, yes.
@@LawVS Well, they did create the formula in the first place, and the Austrian side marketed the heck out of it.
The next video idea Papa Stroll trying to poach Max😂😂😂
Red Bull is an Austrian company created by Mateschitz for the Western Market and Krating Daeng and the Thais run the Asian market.
The Thais are combined the majority leaders but split through three siblings. I would assume if Mateschitz son wants to become the majority leader it shouldn't be too difficult to convince one of them to sell 2%. Hey it is family so most likely there are some tension.
For Red Bull the risk of letting somebody interfere with board decisions could ruin the entire cooperation .
Finally, Love Toto and George's attitude lately with the Teams situation and realise panicking doesn't help at all. Takes pressure off the Engineers to find solutions. Also, panicking will turn off the 13 available drivers out of contract or in F2. If they come across clueless doesn't communicate confidence on your underlying product and staff. If, Max is even considering Mercedes, he will be ok to write off 2025 at Mercedes. But, 2026 will be better, he might take that leap of faith.
I am still wondering if Lewis and Mercedes should not maybe consider agreeing on early exit and put in Vesti, as he is struggling to be motivated. Also, in PR sphere, Lewis is including himself in Ferrari spotlight, even Ferrari social media "includes" him in their content. Evidence the Bearman content, Lewis always finding Charles in Driver Parades and any situation. Also, in Malaysia in a Petronas event being "happy, giddy you might even say" when signing a Ferrari fan cap. In one press conference, when asked about a Max/George Teammate combo being a strong one, he agreed, but said he and Charles, my Team next year will be strong too. Like in a defensive way. PR wise he didn't have to say the last part. Lewis is no fool in the PR game. Evidenced by his success outside F1. I don't blame him to have all this excitement on his side. Ferrari seems to be in a good place right now vs Mercedes. Everyone is always excited to get a new toy. And he should. But, it's not a good look at the moment. I always seen Lewis as being professional in these things and not so obvious in showing his loyalties so blatantly. I don't think he means to, but can't help himself. You can't hide what's in your heart. It eventually comes out.
Therefore I get why Mercedes is focusing on George for social media content. Lewis fans needs to understand.
Thanks for the content.
I find it hilarious that within a minute of this video you confirm Mercedes asked for the rules to be changed, when Toto just yesterday claimed he wasn't going to do 'a Horner' by asking the rules to be changed. Of course, Toto's defense will be that he asked because of the safety of their drivers and not because of Red Bull's dominance (like, according to Toto, Horner did back in the day). Truth is, any good team boss would do anything to get a leg up on the other teams. I'm starting to appreciate Fred Vasseur more every day, cause unlike Toto, Horner and Zak, he's just keeping quiet, getting on with the job and slowly creeping back towards the front.
Jos,Helmut and Christian's drama will likely drag Ford's F1 bid if the management implodes
Which brings Honda back again 😂
All part of the plan
Ford just announced that it will sponsor the Red Bull Academy. Ford must love Red Bull despite all the noise.
If Red Bull wants to become, essentially, a Ford factory team... Apparently Ford (corporate) was very controlling towards the Jaguar team in the 2000s, so let's see how the Red Bull partnership pans out in that regard.
Is it just me or does the situation at redbull seem like a hostile corporate takeover.
I mean a lot of the telltale signs are there. Also lets not forget that the teams have appreciated in value quite a bit lately and there is a lot of new interest from investors.
It’s definitely about power and power nets you money.
Totally. Same thing happening with TKO and Vince McMahon (not that I'm commenting on the allegations). Typical corpo backstabbing.
What if, this entire drama actually stops after Horner has been found not guilty on his case. But Media kept milking it through other means
The more interest the corporate suits have in a racing team, the worse the team becomes... The best car manufacturers had a team that was outside of the corporate structure.
The whole Lewis debate about him mentally not being at Merc anymore feels like such a cheap get out for the media and the TeamLH crowd to perceive to be the case after an underwhelming race. Lewis has always been one to operate at the highest level possible
They seem to forget Lewis was getting beat by George in 2022 because for half of the season he was more focused on testing the car to understand it. The second he stopped trying stuff to help test during practices he smoked George.
He'w doing the same thing again this year, thw nuanc3 is that Merc is probably limiting the amoun6 of technical information he can get so he so he doesn't get to do as much as he'd like.
LH is pretty much sabotaging half of his season in order to give the engineers as much data as possible, and Merc are sabotaging themselves by blocking information and data flow to LH to avoid some leeks to ferrari next year. Lewis should just focus on beating George and just leave Merc to lay in their own pile and garbage.
And all of that is said while I'm far from being a LH fan.
Those are sill things to demand of your work experience. Grow up. Work is hard. Do it for money, not for validation. If you don't like the environment, then move on.
So Red Bull is basically season 4 of succession
David Coulthard as Superman: Truth, Justice and the Scottish Way.
I feel like Horner might have a lack of ownership chip on his shoulder
Good to hear Vettel being called Vettel, and not Wettel...
These kind of scenario's should be part of F1 team manager!
You guys ask for transparency, but why would red bull do that? The lady obviously lied, but dragging her through the mud because of transparency is not the way to go and would just make them look bad
We shouldn’t be suggesting anything about the integrity of anyone in this investigation unless we know the full story
How do you know she lied? (Genuinely asking)
Came here for goku, subbed for the incredibly biased yet clear and insightful opinions that are well researched and shed light on a lot of the bigger picture, behind-the-scenes stuff
Trying to be fair as possible.
@LawVS
A brit trying to be fair when talking about red bull or their drivers?
Hilariously Doubtful.
Always thought it was funny Red Bull committed themselves to Honda when McLaren had such a... rather disastrously rough time with them up to 2017
Red Bull has never leaned in on a bad boy image, that is just nonsense. They broke the costcap by spending to much on food and prepaying to much tax-money, and they constantly are under fire for being too honest about their opinion. If this makes them the bad boys, there need to be some questions about some people's moral compasses.
IMHO, a lot will depend on what Adrian Newey does. IIRC, he was going to retire but CH managed to get him to stay (gave him time off to design an America's Cup yacht, & he designed the AM Valkyrie I think???). If Newey says "If Horner goes, I retire," RB Austria will have to think twice about getting rid of him.
(I naturally stand to be corrected. No need to try to start an argument, if you know better, correct me. I might look one day, but you'll at least educate others.)
As for the charges against him, I have no idea what is true and I'm not on either side. Whoever is in the wrong should face the appropriate consequences. But in 20 years, this is the first hint of any bad behaviour, not even during the "me too" height was there a hint of anything inappropriate. I'm _not_ calling her a liar, far, _far_ from it! But I'm working on the leopard doesn't change his spots theory. That doesn't just apply to bad character =» bad character, but similarly doesn't _often_ apply to long-standing good character=» bad character (especially such an apparently drastic change over a reasonably short time period - at least that's what I've gleaned from the press. Decide for yourself how seriously you want to take that.)
Im waving the RB(R) Flag since 2008 but that offtrack drama really makes it hard to love RBR right now.
This is nothing new. When Lewis was dominant, he was still doing tons of adjustments. I'm tired of people using it as a catch all for why george has been doing better at any given race...
It feels dismissive of his own skill, the thought being "George can only win if Lewis is experimenting and not trying" when for him, experimenting IS trying.
No one is dismissing George. Even Toto wants Max at MB, which does not give George much confidence he can be #1 MB driver. So go figure.
@@Oldman1912 who DOESN'T want max on their team though, outside of politics...
Toto and Suzy started the saga end continued by Christian H. Wander who's next...🥴. Probably there is nothing for the media on the track.
I think the problem is posts like these - clickbait headings "BS" then you wander about the rest of the content
To climb the ladder of success and fall down, would give you a fatal case of blue bulls.
I. Love your neutral coments....regards from Mexico..
What about the rumour of Yoovidhya and Horner taking RedBull Advanced Technology out of the bigger group?
This is clearly team Marko Vs team Horner.
Horner guided the team to record wins.
Brilliant F1 utuber
@1:36 Disagree slightly with The Race here. I think it's more along the lines of the Mercedes car being based on a flawed foundational concept stemming from a misguided understanding of how to maximize these ground effect regulations based on data from the sin that's inconsistent with on track performance. They can tweak it to Lewis' needs and shift the ride position all they want but tractor is a tractor and they just didn't get the floor or the suspension right. What they DO have is a bunch of engineers chirping about the potential for the car to be a race winner so he's like "Alright I'll find that race winning car." So Lewis really shouldn't stop experimenting because a "that'll do" mentality doesn't win championships. If they're going to think like that, they better get comfortable in 4th place.
It's horrible that someone can be forced out of their job because of an accusation, regardless of whether that accusation has any truth or not. Horner hasn't been found guilty of anything, yet it's now being said he should go anyway. That is abhorrent, and flies in the face of the foundation of "innocent until proven guilty".
If RB are content he did nothing wrong, after an investigation to establish the facts, then that should be the end of the matter - particularly when people insinuating guilt have no evidence.
Forgetting about all the rumours, I highly admire Horners idea of turning Red Bull into a genuine manufacturer team, detached from the corporate side similarly to how Ferrari used to be run before Elkann trampled over the tradition.
Mate I would like to know your take on What will happen if Horner is fired, how would hire him? How will replace him? If you would make that "prediction" video u can use a cristal ball as a prop 😃
He'll probably retire and live a quiet life if he was unceremoniously deposed.
Your legs will be muscular in no time by climbing that ladder everyday
How sponsor friendly is Daniel Ricciardo really?
It's always been a given, but which of the brands does the guy bring in?
There is no "lack of transparency". It's literally none of your business, it does not concern you. Its completely irrelevant to racing. An independent party said there was nothing there. It's a few messages on whatsapp that can't even be confirmed to be Horners that even if they were, they actually don't amount to anything. Just the media being toxic.
People forget that Ford is only going to brand an engine made by RBR as an evolution of the old Honda ones...
Completely agree to the fact that it would be really sad to see some other team win the championship over Red Bull because of the management going under.
It is unfair to let politics affect the racing part of F1, but that's life and we'll have to accept it when the day comes. And also, the huge success attracted a lot of negativity from the paddock, especially from Toto and Merc coz they can't build a good car. One thing I can say for sure is that Toto is a big hypocrite
Mintzlaff booting out Horner and running F1 RB, that would be a disaster. Many many years of replacing key staff due to the exodus of team Horner, RB will be playing catchup for the 2026 regulations.
Let him do it then, watch RB collapse and maybe Horner end up with Andretti, and watching Andretti beat RB will be just deserts.
When the kids inherit the business from the builders they usually run it into the ground.
Just look at Williams.
So is Jos V is not the villain here, he’s just been handed the gun that Reb Bull GmbH loaded with bullets ?
3:51 "Where everybody comes up with a good conclusion, and everybody is satisfied with the result"... You're in la-la-land.
This whole argument about transparency is nonsense. Plz realize this is an internal corporate investigation and the company can’t disclose all the specifics about the investigation. In fact, there’s privacy laws and potential liability against the corporation is anything beyond the basic details are disclose.
synonymous with, not for.
Bring back Vettel as Team principal. I’d love to see that!
As proof that the RB team is united!!! Ask yourself which team is clearly has the best 'on track' working capability??????? The unanimous answer is 'The RB team'.
When will 'some' F1 media get back to focusing on the F1 teams 'on track' upgrades to try to close the gap to the united RB team only?
What is pumpernickel?
I think you are bang on about Toto. MB are not worried about winning championships at this stage. However, I do think that his limit is no lower than 3rd. Toto is clearly focused on 2026 and is gearing the entire corporation to this end. What is surprising to me is that most videos out there are bashing MB outright (and proppong RB to the rafters) without the slightest thought about the picture that started to reveal itself last year. I just wish the incessant bashing would stop though, it never happened in the past, why now ? What exactly did MB do do to deserve this ?
Stop winning and denying Lewis another title. Same for McLaren with Alonso.
@@LawVS I'm not denying LH another title in any shape or form. Quite the opposite. I am simply tired of all the MB/LH bashing that is just so prevalent in other videos out there. I purged about 2/3's of my F1 channels because of this ...... I really want to see Mclaren win titles again, they have always been my favored team but I also have to admit there are other interesting options now.
If Coulthard is Superman, is Michael Lex Luther?
Horner trying to turn Red Bull into Cosworth ot Lotus
Like it matters. Max doesn't care as long he has a hassle free workenviroment. He gets the cash at RB or Merc one way or another.