Seeing a Kadabra grouped in with trash Pokémon kinda hurts my soul. To be truly trash, there should also be a limit on individual stats, too. 400 total with no individual stat over 100 would seem appropriate for a trashmon.
The limit on individual stats should be primarily focused on attack and special attack being 100 or lower. The defenses on each specific pokemon in this bst range are usually never even that big of a deal, as the only defensive pokemon that can hit fairly well in gens 1-2 is geodude. If you then cut it to 399 and lower, I think it will make for at least some kind of challenge. Game lacks balance altogether though, you can tell this was an early installment. Around the time you get Abra, you get type coverage that holds up even through to gen 8, and it learns everything you'd ever need. Fire and Psychic alone handles 90% of obstacles, then you can run Thunder Punch and boom, everything until a damn microwave oven in gen 4 has been covered. I guess my point is, you really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel if you ever want gen 2 to be tough. Lance's Dnite army missing on Abra is his worst nightmare just because of a TM you found before you beat Whitney.
@@bigpoggers6507 * Onix, and even though it's Def is godly, all of it's other stats are absolute garbage. 35 HP, 45 Attack (Sunkern has more in fact), 30 SpA, and 45 SpD. In this Gen I'm pretty sure that it's Special stat is simply 30. It's only middling stat is Speed, which is only a 70. So yes, this pokemon is still absolute garbage even with the 400 BST.
You know what, I was wondering why still use halved power surf on Charizard when you definitely could use a super effective full power spark on it? I know spark is weaker than surf, but at least you would be able to two shot Charizard with it.
More than likely forgot spark was special in this Gen, since it was burned physical moves would have done even less and spark is physical in later gens.
Just a 400 base stat limit doesn't feel like enough to truly limit yourself to only trash pokemon. I think things like a good move pool can be just as if not more important.
It still saddens my soul that they did so little with the female Team Rocket executive. Look at Ariana's haircut. It's IDENTICAL to the rival's. That can't be a coincidence, right? She HAS to be his mom. And Giovanni is his dad. Why on EARTH did they not notice the chance for a super personal, heartbreaking motivation for this female character, involving a desperate mother trying to reunite a FAMILY? Her husband is lord knows where and her son is running amok, trying to become the strongest there is. So the Rival wants to prove himself to his dad, while Ariana is looking for her husband. They could have paralleled these stories together..! God... The amount of wasted potential in Gold/Silver/Crystal... GG on the run btw XD
Maybe she just turned around to Archer the moment Giovanni was gone. It's never implied that their marriage was a happy one anyways. She might just have been after power and money and that's why she has that strained and almost none existent relationship with Silver, too. I actually love it that the first two generations are giving you that much room to speculate on. A lot of the later once are far too tidy with too less space for your own speculations regarding the main story and it's characters.
@@RocketJo86 I never even got that Ariana and Archer were married o.o Also, if she had moved on from Giovanni, why is Team Rocket trying so hard to bring him back?? It just adds to Team Rocket's desperation for the past, instead of moving on to the future. As if Archer and Ariana KNEW they weren't as good as Giovanni and the only thing they could hope to be remembered for was bringing their former leader back. And even THAT failed in the end. It makes Team Rocket look pathetic in G/S/C. I do like your idea of that the story should be left open to interpretation... But at the same time, I personally do prefer a concise and clear storyline. And a story CAN be coherent, while at the same time, open to interpretation. And I feel that G/S/C's story is lacking in the coherency department.
@@potitishogun2961997 No, they aren't married. But given how Ariana comes along in the games it would not be surprising to me IF there was something going on. But then, yeah, it would not make much sense for Archer to bring Giovanni back. Point for you, I guess. Still I love the uncertainty surrounding the stories of Gen 1 and 2.
I enjoy doing a non-nuzlock version of this in RSE, as there are lots of good pokemon with base stat total below 300 there. Pokemon like zigzagoon, ralts, lotad, and even Shedinja are pretty fun to play with.
@@heinzdoofenshmirtz8643 The hack made by Jan. I'd argue it's harder thanks to the Game Corner being off-limits, locking a ton of great TMs out of the way. Not to mention the way encounters are placed, you have to get creative with Gym Leaders.
Great video. That Format is fun to watch. Was hoping for pidgey to play a greater role in this video, then going down to a crit. I really like the Pokemon and its Evolution. Their sprite in that gen are still looking great.
16:18 With Orpis' Pose and the Magnemites round form I couldn't help to imagine a Baseball-like Battle. The Magnemite charging onto our Cubone and the bone-wielding youth hitting them away. I would like to see more Trashlockes. How about doing it in the Gen4 Remakes due to the general fanbase opinion of these games?
He actually made the game with a few other creators. Called Pokemon garbage green. It's a rom hack with only Pokemon under a certain BST and modified map, trainers, gauntlets, no healing items, diff wild encounters. More than just a trash locke. You should do a few challenges with the game!!
That Miltank strategy was very risky for a nuzlocke. What if you missed with sleep powder and now you are facing a miltank with ramped-up rollout with a dead skiploom?
There's more to a Pokemon than just base stats. If they have stats in the right places and the movepool to back it up, then they can still be quite broken. The inverse can also be true to a point. If a Pokemon looks broken as sh!t on paper when looking at its stats but its movepool is ass then it can probably be called trash. I'd ban Kadabra from a run like this considering it's still better than many fully evolved Pokemon.
Y'know, he could just play the hack made by Pokémon Challenges, in that case. Not like Jan programmed it to be unbeatable (given that FlygonHG beat one), anyway.
So to all you people who think you can't win a Pokemon game without Golem or Alakazam, well, here you go, Gen 2 is busted enough so that you can win with an unevolved Graveler and Kadabra. ^_^ Shows that they can't be trash Pokemon if they do well. Even Aipom is good and when he evolves into Ambipom, he gets even more busted. Might try a crazy team like Ambipom and Probopass in Brilliant Diamond. :)
me realizing 2/3 of my team (in their unevolved forms) is at least catched in this challenge (if you ask, my full team is jolteon, pidgeot, typhlosion, exeggutor, suicune and golem)
Reminds me of when I unironically used the gift Onix from that kid in Violet City until the end of the game the first time I played Crystal. ...That was a while ago...
@@heinzdoofenshmirtz8643 and how dig doesn't work on doduo for that, but then it does work against venomoth which actually has wings and can fly, but cant learn the HM fly 😆
I dont think it should be 400 bst I like it better when individual pokemon are chosen because some weaker mons can be incredibly good plus you dont have to get middle evos just full evolutions it makes it much more fun
Vietnamese crystal nuzlocke run would be hilarious, but only for me, because Rest (Snorlax, Dewgong, Seel, Teddiursa, etc.), Spike Cannon (Omastar), Protect (various), Detect (various), and Disable (various) can all crash the game, forcing a reset. :)
As a huge Yu-Gi-Oh! fan, the nicknames were awesome and this was such a cool video! Gonna have to see what that second channel is about, keep up the good work!
Lulu is street cheating having unlimited TMS, a lot of people use Lulu and in runs when it can't normal evolve. Ben a fan going to keep being a fan, but try not using mons similar to Lulu
I found myself wondering if people actually could ask MDB to record them a youngster joe cameo to plug stuff they are trying to plug (f.e. the new channel) which in turn plugs him too.
Do this challange in BDSP, since it's build so well - with the Gyms and E4 actually trying - the challange could be VERY hard and interessting if it would actually work.
i mean as a kid johto was so cool for the amount of content it has. but as an adult i see so many flaws in it. even in the remakes. Kanto got no love at all, and every change made it worse. the levelcurve is just bad. mostly because the open world after gym 4. linear is definitely the way to go there, unless the enemies scale (which would make gen 9 and onwards so replayable). johto definitely brought the worst new pokemon as a new gen. there is a reason why important trainers have more kanto than johto pokemon. and many more that are minor rather than major flaws.
I 100% agree with kanto and the level curve. I think the content added to heart gold and soul silver like battle frontier and rematch gym leaders helped but that they needed to make kanto harder or build on it a bit more. Maybe if they did a remake they could incorporate more of what happened in those three years like how they did with the Giovanni time quest or black and white 2
Not sure if it’s possible, but seeing a grass type nuzlocke in a johto game would be interesting just because grass is weak to almost every gym leader type
Either a BST of 333 or you double the Special stat and make it still 400. If you do 333, you end up with some oddities like second stage starters being legal, but not Graveler.
Does anyone have an easy ressource for which pokemon are trash in which version, or do you just skim the regional dex and look for each individual Mon? ^^’
i think if you do another one, a gen 5 trashlocke would be pretty cool. i’d prefer BW personally, but i know B2W2 vids perform better so whatever works
![I Tried a Pokémon SoulSilver Hardcore Nuzlocke With ONLY Ice Types! [KANTO]](/img/n.gif)
Seeing a Kadabra grouped in with trash Pokémon kinda hurts my soul. To be truly trash, there should also be a limit on individual stats, too. 400 total with no individual stat over 100 would seem appropriate for a trashmon.
I would have made a cut at 399 just to not use Kadabra 😅 i mean even abra with psychic tm is kicking ass
Considering even Abra can easily solo a game with its insane stats, the whole line shouldn't be allowed
Small issue though, this bans pokémon like Onyx, for example, and you cannot argue that Onyx isn't trash. The 400 base stat total seems pretty good
The limit on individual stats should be primarily focused on attack and special attack being 100 or lower. The defenses on each specific pokemon in this bst range are usually never even that big of a deal, as the only defensive pokemon that can hit fairly well in gens 1-2 is geodude. If you then cut it to 399 and lower, I think it will make for at least some kind of challenge.
Game lacks balance altogether though, you can tell this was an early installment. Around the time you get Abra, you get type coverage that holds up even through to gen 8, and it learns everything you'd ever need. Fire and Psychic alone handles 90% of obstacles, then you can run Thunder Punch and boom, everything until a damn microwave oven in gen 4 has been covered.
I guess my point is, you really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel if you ever want gen 2 to be tough. Lance's Dnite army missing on Abra is his worst nightmare just because of a TM you found before you beat Whitney.
@@bigpoggers6507 * Onix, and even though it's Def is godly, all of it's other stats are absolute garbage. 35 HP, 45 Attack (Sunkern has more in fact), 30 SpA, and 45 SpD. In this Gen I'm pretty sure that it's Special stat is simply 30. It's only middling stat is Speed, which is only a 70. So yes, this pokemon is still absolute garbage even with the 400 BST.
Would def like to see other trashlocks! Especially in the newer gens.
Kadabra can run all the elemental punches for special damage.
Hardly trash lol
You know what, I was wondering why still use halved power surf on Charizard when you definitely could use a super effective full power spark on it?
I know spark is weaker than surf, but at least you would be able to two shot Charizard with it.
More than likely forgot spark was special in this Gen, since it was burned physical moves would have done even less and spark is physical in later gens.
Just a 400 base stat limit doesn't feel like enough to truly limit yourself to only trash pokemon. I think things like a good move pool can be just as if not more important.
@22:53 We joke about the illegal Pidgeotto at Falkner, but there's THE CHAMPION using Rock Slide on Aerodactyl when it doesn't learn it until 2004.
He could've caught it in Viridian Forest in Yellow since you can get a low leveled Pidgeotto there.
It still saddens my soul that they did so little with the female Team Rocket executive. Look at Ariana's haircut. It's IDENTICAL to the rival's. That can't be a coincidence, right? She HAS to be his mom. And Giovanni is his dad. Why on EARTH did they not notice the chance for a super personal, heartbreaking motivation for this female character, involving a desperate mother trying to reunite a FAMILY? Her husband is lord knows where and her son is running amok, trying to become the strongest there is. So the Rival wants to prove himself to his dad, while Ariana is looking for her husband. They could have paralleled these stories together..! God... The amount of wasted potential in Gold/Silver/Crystal...
GG on the run btw XD
Maybe she just turned around to Archer the moment Giovanni was gone. It's never implied that their marriage was a happy one anyways. She might just have been after power and money and that's why she has that strained and almost none existent relationship with Silver, too.
I actually love it that the first two generations are giving you that much room to speculate on. A lot of the later once are far too tidy with too less space for your own speculations regarding the main story and it's characters.
@@RocketJo86 I never even got that Ariana and Archer were married o.o Also, if she had moved on from Giovanni, why is Team Rocket trying so hard to bring him back?? It just adds to Team Rocket's desperation for the past, instead of moving on to the future. As if Archer and Ariana KNEW they weren't as good as Giovanni and the only thing they could hope to be remembered for was bringing their former leader back. And even THAT failed in the end. It makes Team Rocket look pathetic in G/S/C.
I do like your idea of that the story should be left open to interpretation... But at the same time, I personally do prefer a concise and clear storyline. And a story CAN be coherent, while at the same time, open to interpretation. And I feel that G/S/C's story is lacking in the coherency department.
@@potitishogun2961997 No, they aren't married. But given how Ariana comes along in the games it would not be surprising to me IF there was something going on. But then, yeah, it would not make much sense for Archer to bring Giovanni back.
Point for you, I guess. Still I love the uncertainty surrounding the stories of Gen 1 and 2.
I enjoy doing a non-nuzlock version of this in RSE, as there are lots of good pokemon with base stat total below 300 there. Pokemon like zigzagoon, ralts, lotad, and even Shedinja are pretty fun to play with.
I'd like to see you try the Emerald Trashlocke; I had a surprisingly good time when I played it.
Do you mean one where he bans a number of good encounters like here, or the hack made by Jan?
@@heinzdoofenshmirtz8643 The hack made by Jan. I'd argue it's harder thanks to the Game Corner being off-limits, locking a ton of great TMs out of the way. Not to mention the way encounters are placed, you have to get creative with Gym Leaders.
Great video. That Format is fun to watch. Was hoping for pidgey to play a greater role in this video, then going down to a crit. I really like the Pokemon and its Evolution. Their sprite in that gen are still looking great.
Yugioh AND wrestling? UA-cam has failed by not showing me this channel sooner
16:18 With Orpis' Pose and the Magnemites round form I couldn't help to imagine a Baseball-like Battle. The Magnemite charging onto our Cubone and the bone-wielding youth hitting them away.
I would like to see more Trashlockes. How about doing it in the Gen4 Remakes due to the general fanbase opinion of these games?
That joke at Erica killed me lol
Just here for the Sting references
A trashlocke in USUM would be VERY interesting to see how you overcome the Totems.
24:00 someone has watching a bit too much MBT lmaooo
Nuzlocks don't start until you get pokeballs. Don't restart if you lose to the rival. Also you can find a level 4 pigeoto just outside of palet town
That completely depends on how someone chooses to do the challenge. Some start it with the start of the game and some do it with getting Pokeballs.
And you got a yugioh channel, you’re a whole package deal 🤣🔥
Trashlockes are based. Pokémon is based. ChaoticMeatball is based
He actually made the game with a few other creators. Called Pokemon garbage green. It's a rom hack with only Pokemon under a certain BST and modified map, trainers, gauntlets, no healing items, diff wild encounters. More than just a trash locke. You should do a few challenges with the game!!
SCRAP FOR THE SCRAP THRONE!
TRASH FOR THE TRASH GOD!
The name for knocktowel next time can be that madolche bird
You know, Hootcake would've made sense on several levels.
seeing quagsire and jumpluff in a trash pokemon only nuzlocke spites me.
Graveler and Kadabra are some of the best pokemon you can use in Johto so it's weird to see them in trashlocke.
the criteria is just under or at 400 BST, not how they fare at all
As a long time chaotic meatball fan, i gotta say nothing has convinced me more to not follow someone's second channel than this episode
Great vid dude
Gen 2 is my favorite pixel sprites out of the series
Onix is actually good for the first 4 and the 6th gyms since Morty’s team and jasmine’s magnemites are all weak to ground
It’s also good for LT. Surge and Blaine, Janine, and if you play right Brock
'IT'S STIIIIIIIIING' Lmao
Just subbed to the second chanel keep up the good stuff my brotha
That Miltank strategy was very risky for a nuzlocke. What if you missed with sleep powder and now you are facing a miltank with ramped-up rollout with a dead skiploom?
Lmao the ITS STIIIIIIIING clip 😂
You should try the trash run in either Platinum, BW2, or USUM
This was too easy, can you reduce the highest stats to 350, or another option is that any on the base stats is less than 65
There's more to a Pokemon than just base stats. If they have stats in the right places and the movepool to back it up, then they can still be quite broken. The inverse can also be true to a point. If a Pokemon looks broken as sh!t on paper when looking at its stats but its movepool is ass then it can probably be called trash. I'd ban Kadabra from a run like this considering it's still better than many fully evolved Pokemon.
Trashlockes are cool, I hope to see more of these. A Gen 5 Trashlocke would be interesting.
Nice run.. what for a coincidence to get pkrs!! Dude thats pretty rare and awesome. Keep up the great content!!
Gen 2 is incredible the only gen better is the 1st gen and the gen 4 ss hg remake
Trashloke Emerald
However you are allowed to use stage 1 pokemon as long as you caught them
Y'know, he could just play the hack made by Pokémon Challenges, in that case. Not like Jan programmed it to be unbeatable (given that FlygonHG beat one), anyway.
How about a hard-core nuzlock of literal trash pokemon like Trubbish & Garbador in pokemon Black/White or Black2/White2?
Great Video! Keep up the good work !
Tony Schiavonie in the middle of a Nuzlocke is everything to me 😂
id love to see a prof. oak challenge with pokewalker in hg/ss part 2
Haha
I appreciate that Dunsparce was too OP for this run.
I see someone hasn't forgotten Dragon Ruler Format.
BLAME CIMOOOOOOOOOO
Guess you forgot about the raid raptors
Noo ghastly would be able to use the elemental punches 😂
Got a tough one for you. Trashlock in Reborn.
So to all you people who think you can't win a Pokemon game without Golem or Alakazam, well, here you go, Gen 2 is busted enough so that you can win with an unevolved Graveler and Kadabra. ^_^
Shows that they can't be trash Pokemon if they do well. Even Aipom is good and when he evolves into Ambipom, he gets even more busted. Might try a crazy team like Ambipom and Probopass in Brilliant Diamond. :)
Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with their favorites. -Karen
Great job chaotic 👏 love the videos
I'm happy to see butterfree I love it and zubat
me realizing 2/3 of my team (in their unevolved forms) is at least catched in this challenge (if you ask, my full team is jolteon, pidgeot, typhlosion, exeggutor, suicune and golem)
When you dont call a Hoothoot Hootcake :(
Yes, this is going to be good
Reminds me of when I unironically used the gift Onix from that kid in Violet City until the end of the game the first time I played Crystal.
...That was a while ago...
couldnt you have used spark against charizard instead of surf?
How wooper can learn ice punch when it doesn't even have arms, I'll never know.
I have similar question regarding Doduo and Fly. I mean, it doesn't even have wings, FFS!
@@heinzdoofenshmirtz8643 it just spins and gets fast enough to fly!
@@heinzdoofenshmirtz8643 Pokedex states Doduo has very small wings
@@heinzdoofenshmirtz8643 and how dig doesn't work on doduo for that, but then it does work against venomoth which actually has wings and can fly, but cant learn the HM fly 😆
I dont think it should be 400 bst I like it better when individual pokemon are chosen because some weaker mons can be incredibly good plus you dont have to get middle evos just full evolutions it makes it much more fun
Vietnamese crystal nuzlocke run would be hilarious, but only for me, because Rest (Snorlax, Dewgong, Seel, Teddiursa, etc.), Spike Cannon (Omastar), Protect (various), Detect (various), and Disable (various) can all crash the game, forcing a reset. :)
YEEEEEEEEES ONIX MADE THE LIST!!!
If you want to do another gen 2 trashlocke I reccomend trying Pokémon shattered silver
I almost always use graveler on my team in Pokémon runs, though I never pick Pokémon based on stats either
This purple Background is so chillin
As a huge Yu-Gi-Oh! fan, the nicknames were awesome and this was such a cool video! Gonna have to see what that second channel is about, keep up the good work!
Wait… real yugioh references that aren’t just dm? Take my subscription
I hope to see the legends POC, as for the trashlocke, why not sun?
Lulu is street cheating having unlimited TMS, a lot of people use Lulu and in runs when it can't normal evolve.
Ben a fan going to keep being a fan, but try not using mons similar to Lulu
I just wanna know who gone be tempest
I found myself wondering if people actually could ask MDB to record them a youngster joe cameo to plug stuff they are trying to plug (f.e. the new channel) which in turn plugs him too.
Do this challange in BDSP, since it's build so well - with the Gyms and E4 actually trying - the challange could be VERY hard and interessting if it would actually work.
I like the variety. I actually love gen 2 and johto, minus the annoying amount of rocket fights in the base ha
I’m pretty sure you can click on the statues and turn them off, making it so no team rocket runts come
i mean as a kid johto was so cool for the amount of content it has. but as an adult i see so many flaws in it. even in the remakes.
Kanto got no love at all, and every change made it worse.
the levelcurve is just bad. mostly because the open world after gym 4. linear is definitely the way to go there, unless the enemies scale (which would make gen 9 and onwards so replayable).
johto definitely brought the worst new pokemon as a new gen. there is a reason why important trainers have more kanto than johto pokemon.
and many more that are minor rather than major flaws.
I 100% agree with kanto and the level curve. I think the content added to heart gold and soul silver like battle frontier and rematch gym leaders helped but that they needed to make kanto harder or build on it a bit more. Maybe if they did a remake they could incorporate more of what happened in those three years like how they did with the Giovanni time quest or black and white 2
pokemon crystal is still the peak of pokemon for me
Trash pokemon and didn't even get Shitorita(HPT)
plottwist the whole video was a ad for his second channel
is there an easy way to know what's usable in bdsp for the trashlocke?
Wrestling. Pokémon and yugioh. Subbed.
Pokemon Crystal with only trash pokemon just sounds like standard pokemon crystal
Always in a Johto mood
I was wondering how because you're a wrestling fan, how about ever doing a Hawlucha Only Run at some point?
It's called garbage "can" not garbage "can't"
I would honestly love to see him do a professor oak challenge in coromon. It would be difficult but I think it would be a fun watch
Epic nuzlocke
YESSS
ALL THESE YUGIOH REFERENCESSS
Plz make video on a storm silver or sacred gold poc
Not sure if it’s possible, but seeing a grass type nuzlocke in a johto game would be interesting just because grass is weak to almost every gym leader type
What is the base stat total cap for a gen 1 trashlocke?
Either a BST of 333 or you double the Special stat and make it still 400.
If you do 333, you end up with some oddities like second stage starters being legal, but not Graveler.
More trashlockes please !!!
Does anyone have an easy ressource for which pokemon are trash in which version, or do you just skim the regional dex and look for each individual Mon? ^^’
To think he did a trashlock and still kicked ass haha
Love the ygo references
Could have named your Hoothoot Yata-Garasu . You know. The most most broken card in YGO, so much so that it was only unbanned recently.
You watch reliving the war on Wrestling Bios?
Red and yellow sting where it’s at.
would love to see more trash runs was fun.
doesn't rollout also act as a defense curl? no need to use defense curl before rollout imo
Awesome video!!!!
i think if you do another one, a gen 5 trashlocke would be pretty cool. i’d prefer BW personally, but i know B2W2 vids perform better so whatever works
It was nicknamed sucker because meatball forgot he could’ve had grass coverage and got an onix in the union cave
What is your favorite gen ?
Do a trash emerald run
Most trash pokemon are my favorite for some reason
I'm surprised he didn't pick Chikorita, considering it being the weakest of the Johto starters.
01:21 click here to start the video