If you think about it, he gave credits to the homeless vet, but did nothing to help people in Tatooine. Whatever fear he had, whether he recognized the clone or not, this still shows the respect Obi-Wan had for the troops he served with.
for me this was so far the best scene in the show. It tells you so much. Obi-wan sees that not only have the jedi lost the war but their betrayers, the clones, they lost everything too and while the betrayl must still deeply heard obi-wan, he shows respect to one of the soldiers that fought beside him and anakin. I wish star wars would do more of this than always trying to be a show for every age, so you cant explore darker concepts like this one.
He can’t go out of his way to help anyone on Tattooine or do anything else that might make anyone think he is a Jedi, or he would endanger his life and possibly Luke’s.
Like Anakin says in season 7 episode 9, "It doesn't matter to them, it's a sign of respect. They know what you went through for them day after day, battle after battle. Loyalty means everything to the clones"
This was the thing that impacted me most in the show so far. Not only does this problem of homeless and unappreciated vets feel very personal to me IRL, but I felt as well that there was something more to this scene. I'm hoping that we might see more content like this as the show continues.
I saw him on the street one night. It was a moment of clarity, in the midst of my present life. Cast away like garbage, my mind rotting away from whatever I could get my hands on. For a moment after I called out to the passerby for credits, as I always do, I recognized the Jedi when he turned and looked at me. I was terrified at the realization, but the General gazed at me with even more fear. He walked with no bearing or confidence but was gaunt and withered. Instead of just vengeance I imagined for a moment as this, all I saw was another broken man, terrified at the thought that I, a homeless disheveled clone would sound the alarm. Guilty, I wished I had met my end but, instead he threw me some money. I think we both thought the same about each other for a moment as our eyes met right before he quickly turned and left. I smiled at him, hoping to show my remorse, but also because I was glad to see him alive. The war had used us and spit us out and both of us were meant to be forgotten.
There is no doubt in my mind that the clone recognized Obi-Wan. They could have made the trooper just a generic clone, but they CHOSE to make him from the 501st.
If it was a clone from the 212th then by a fair chance Kenobi would've known the clone personally. However it was the 501st so more like they'd probably met.
Maybe because it was that he didn't care anymore. It's 10 years give or take, after Revenge of the Sith and the formation of the Empire, so the clone like his brothers have been more or less thrown out to be replaced. At this point, whether or not he recognised Obi Wan, the clone probably doesn't care enough to report him to an inquisitor or Imperial personnel.
and they had to deal with order 66 .. not only killing the jedi but abandoning there post to kill said jedi .... its still jango seeing him all given up was sad
I think they were both afraid. The clone was afraid that Obi Wan would attack him out of revenge for the attack on the Jedi, and Obi Wan was afraid that the clone would turn him in (and also afraid that he might have to fight and/or kill the clone). In the end, the clone was broken and discarded and didn't turn him in, and Obi Wan still had mercy and kindness.
@@jameshersom2536 I like that. The insane PTSD of being a soldier, being tricked into turning on their commanders and friends, and then rapidly aging. I'll bet the public aren't fans of them, either.
I would have liked him to say the “Thank you, General” line and then when KENOBI was making his escape have the clone be the distraction instead of the con dude. Then the clone sacrifices himself to help Kenobi escape. Saying something like “It’s been an honor general” or something like that.
Aren’t they programmed to follow orders without question though? So it would be more likely he would have turned on him, similar to the way they did on Kenobi during the actual war
I think the moment is really simple, right before the encounter, Obi wan says “ if ever i needed guidance, master, its now.” Then he encounters the 501st clone, and gives him credits for a meal. The force is telling Obi wan to help his friends and those under the empire suffering. That they can’t be forgotten, or ignored. That there are many suffering and he has the means to help. Simply displayed in this encounter.
Zero chance of that happening. Disney wanted a cameo, and to make a real world political point about homeless veterans. That’s it, that’s all. The level of nuance you desire is not possible with these producers and directors
I wish to see him in the near future, maybe at a difficult moment, giving his life to save Obi-Wan in some way but having the chance to call him "general" right before.
Assuming this is meant as an allegory for modern day veterans, I would assume the trooper didn't recognize Kenobi because he may intoxicated. Many homeless vets would resort to heavy drinking (or worse) to help "suppress" their PTSD. Another possibility, the clone did "recognize" Kenobi but shrugged it off as a hallucination from his PTSD, a ghost of his past.
I think it’s because he has lost the will to live. Like Padmé but a bit less. He has gone through the clone wars, order 66, then 10 years of being abandoned and homeless left to rot by the empire. He has also come to realise how order 66 was a mistake and he kinda doesn’t care who gives him credits whether it’s Vader or boolio lol.
Padmé had her life force snuffed out by Palpatine. She didn’t die by losing the will to live. That’s just what the droid’s best guess for her deterioration was.
I’m really hoping we see Cody. After all, he was Kenobi’s right hand man, and it would perfect for Cody to make an appearance. Since the Inquisitors are hunting Kenobi, they would need someone who knows how Kenobi thinks. So other than Vader, who else was someone close to Kenobi and knew how he thinks strategically?
I am still in the firm belief, that the clones are one if not the most tragic characters in the Star war movies, being used as slave soldiers then being forced to betray your brother/sister in arms and slaughter them. Then When people are finished with you, you are being thrown away like a piece of carbage.
only in the disney canon... some clones were taken in by the mandalorians. This sits way better with me, mandalorians are the true blue collar workingclass heros of the galaxie.. vet with PTSD, no problem you will be taken care of by the comrades. but im a ol guy venting about a new storyline that does his beloved clones and the only relatabel cultur in his beloved fictional univers dirty... never mind ;9
And on top of that all the health issues of a body aging twice as fast as a regular human, and an education that focused on warfighting over all other skills.
They made the right choice having that scene play out the way it did. Often times, less is more. By saying no more than he did, he communicated so many different things that would've been lost had he been more talkative and explicit. There are things I don't like about this series, but this moment of subtlety is excellent. More than simply being a member of the 501st, he's almost certainly a clone who was present at the massacre at the Jedi temple on Corascant. The other half of the 501st that went to Mandalore with Ashoka presumably all died when their star destroyer command ship crashed. While I suppose it's hypothetically possible that he survived the crash (although Ashoka likely would've found him when she and Rex buried everyone), it's far more likely that he went to the temple with the newly annointed Darth Vader. Since Vader continued to work wirh most of the 501st Legion when they became Vader's Fist under the empire, the fact he's still wearing the old clone armor and not 501st stormtrooper armor could suggest that he somehow defected in spite of the control chips not long after the events of Revenge of the Sith. The fact there was a silent nod between him and Old Ben said a lot. It's ironic how even though they'd have every reason to hate each other, there was a sense of understanding between them. Both the Jedi and the clone troopers were used, betrayed and discarded by the society they served.
There's actually some credence to the idea that he defected despite the chip. For one there's that scene in The Bad Batch, where several Clone Troopers openly throw down their weapons, and refuse to serve the Empire, knowing that what they're doing is wrong. Then there's the scene where Wrecker goes full Order 66 after Hunter admits he let a Jedi go. Wrecker immediately turns on the rest of 99, and becomes a completely different person. Based on that, it seems it only fully overrides the clones' minds when in the direct presence of a Jedi, or when another clone disobeys Order 66.
A detachment of the 501st (332nd) was left to occupy Mandalore after the siege. So either this clone fought in the Siege of Mandalore and occupation or fought in the Battle of Coruscant/Jedi Temple Massacre.
If this clone was 501st, and I see no reason to discount that, there were 576 clones in that battalion. There is no way the survivors wouldn't recognize Anakin or Kenobi. And I do think after 10 years the inhibitor chip would break down. Or maybe he was one of the clones that Rex helped get rid of the chip altogether.
The inhibitor chip didn't need to break down; it issued its instruction to kill the Jedi. He'd done that, mission accomplished. It might send a pulse (for the clone it may feel like a sudden stab of conscience) but he's been living with those pulses for 10 years, every time someone looked like one of the Jedi he remembered; After so long, he now knows how to ignore them.
the 501st wasn't a battalion it was a legion as we see the 332nd attack battalion separate (most likely with the remains of the second torrant company) from the main group of the 501st
@@johnathanhughes9881 in the Caleb dume comics commander (?) grey gained a conscience after order 66 and destroyed his ships shields so that Caleb could escape he and styles
The inhibitor chip did three things initially: 1. Suppress the knowledge of why Order 66 was important. 2. Suppress the memories of the mission training for Order 66. That was the inhibitor part. 3. It made them more susceptible to persuasion, making them one of the few warrior classes that could be Jedi Mind Tricked. That part was included because it was a simpler bioengineering job to not have two chips, and to give the Jedi a reason to keep the chips in. 1. and 2. were no longer active after Order 66, and had no effect. 3. Was used during Order 66, as a way for Clones to martial their valor against the Jedi by repeating a mantra they were given, if you doubt, remember, good soldiers follow orders. It was also an important part of maintaining control over the standing army during an intense military changeover. You can see all 3 of these functions fail in the beginning of Season 6 of Clone Wars, as a clone remembers all of his training, chooses to kill a Jedi when he sees an opportunity, but becomes belligerent. He tries the mantra, but finds no solace in it, it is not convincing to him like it was when his chip worked, all it calls back is the trauma he had endured. The vast majority of clones that participated in Order 66 believed in it, they were not compelled. Additionally the Clones knew their job was to break the Jedi Order, not necessarily to take out all past or present Jedi or force users. This is why they did not bother fighting Anakin, and a special dispensation had to be made for Maul and Tano. This Clone sees Kenobi as a weapon discarded by the republic, just like him.
@@eloujtimereaver4504 sorry to say no , that's not cannon anymore and hasn't been for years, because rex fought the chip when it was trying to take control, tup's malfunctioned and trigger early he didn't remember any training for killing jedi because that would be a suspious considering a council member was stationed on kimono.
They are both so tired. I think the clone knew who he was from the get-go, but it also looks like he regrets everything that happened as well. Most of the clones didn't seem to want to take part in Order 66, and those that broke free earlier than others most likely ended up like this clone here. It seems like he wants Ben to recognize what's happened to them all, but also to show him that he regrets Order 66 by not calling him out. Vod'e An.
Id think the aging of the clones affected the order 66 protocol and chip itself. It was a 501st clone no way he didn’t recognize Obi Wan Kenobi a general he heard of and saw regularly.
@@stevend3645 The difference here is about 8-10 years though. Bad batch is immediately after order 66. So it's not completely out of the question that the chips have degraded over this time gap. Especially if the clones have all turned to alcohol; I can't imagine that would help the longevity of the chips either haha
The Empire took everything from both of them. They had no reason to be enemies. But they obviously couldn't be friends. I saw this as a non-verbal apology. For how life has treated each other and brief moment of sorrow. The clone knew, I'm sure of it.
Does anyone else get the feeling that that clone may become intrical to the story at some point maybe he saves Obi-Wan or helps him later on, maybe giving that clone even if it's only momentarily a sense of purpose a feeling like he belongs once again
Perhaps a moment of Clone and Kenobi vs Stormtroopers. That old training kicking in, and the Clone being a one man army compared to the Stormtroopers, only to sadly fall to Vader, a sad yet poetic end. Fighting alongside Kenobi, only to die to his true general.
Personally I think I would prefer the scene to be a one off, as it were. Look at the amount of differing speculation and conversation it has already caused amongst viewers just in these comments alone. A clever piece of writting and acting, and further elaboration may step on the questions many of us have. Did he recognise Obi Wan? If so why didn't he say something, or report him? etc, we are able to generate more answers to these questions if it is left vague than would exsit if they supplied the answers to them in later episodes, it gives us talking points, "how did you interpret the clone scene?" conversations. Additionally it seems to me to be the kind of scene that folks may get different things from each time they rewatch the series, those "ooh I didn't notice that before" moments can be very enjoyable. Some shows I loved when I was younger no longer 'stand up' now I'm older, often the shows from my youth that I still think are great have these unanswered scenes, allowing me to experience them from a different perspective. All that said it's not impossible that they could succesfully build upon it, finding out if they do or not is part of why I'm excited for further episodes to drop, I guess we will see :D
Many of us real life veterans, myself included, can understand this scene. The signals given means so much and reveals so much. Of course, respect and thank you. It looked like the clone did recognize Obi-Wan. Gut instinct in animals doesn’t go away. “Good soldiers follow orders.” The better question, has this clone removed his inhibitor chip at the time of this reunion? Has Obi-Wan Kenobi ever had the chance to learn about the inhibitor chips? I don’t think Obi-Wan ever learned about the chips. I have seen the same look from Obi-Wan that I see from a lot of people. Post traumatic stress disorder, does this person have it? Often this stereotype is a yes. Yes I saw that parallel. It was a great moment between Obi-Wan and the clone veteran. I am proud to see they included it… Semper!
Since no one has said it first I would like to be the first to say it. Thank You for your service to our country and for my freedom and my family’s freedom that I get to enjoy every single day because of men and women just like you. Thank You for your service man. I didn’t serve but I have family members who do and who have and sadly I’ve had 2 family members who have made the ultimate sacrifice. My grandfather in WWII a Captain in the US Army’s 101st Airborne and my cousin who made the ultimate sacrifice in Afghanistan as a US Army Ranger. Again thank you for your service man. God bless and take it easy!
Well, for one, Kenobi HAD to recognize the uniform of his units sister unit. That is something one does not forget. Two, the clone could make generous credits by informing the inquisitors. He appears to recognize Kenobi, so why he chose not to is another issue all together. Whether a residual sense of team loyalty, a confused state of mind due to his deterioration, or perhaps even personal respect for his former leader - who knows. Agree with ACEE that there is more to this scene than this brief interaction tells...perhaps we will see more later in this series.
I think it's respect. The Clone clearly recognizes Obi-Wan and seems like he wants to execute order 66. But when Obi-Wan puts the few credits in the helmet the Clone only nodded as a sing of respect and a sorry, and of course he'll remain silent since he doesn't trust the Empire.
I do believe that 501st Clone Trooper did recognize Obi-Wan and wanted to keep him hidden from the Inquisitors by just nodding as a thank you and apology. Watching the Clone Wars TV show has definitely made the Clones Victims of something that didn’t want to do, and by killing the Jedi. Serving by them for 4 years have made the clones respect their Jedi Generals and having the Inhibitor Chip activated during Order 66, I am wondering in their subconscious that the Clones are yelling at themselves to resist against that order. Makes you think that the clones never wanted to kill the Jedi in the first place, no matter what the Campaign of Battlefront II has to say
From my understanding the chips stole the clones sense of free will and once it worm off it gave it back to them and they horrified by what they had done this clone was one of them. He probably didnt want to do order 66 but the chip made him do it not selling out obiwan is making up for that
Yeah I see this as a thank you and an apology… but also… since he probably took part at the massacre at the temple… it could also be this clone’s way of paying penance
@@borrago i heard tem wasnt on set they filmed him separately so that could be why the eye line didnt exactly match up and makes it seem he was blind. for comparison homie from Rogue One that was play by yen was a blind force user and move slightly different to this clone
With Rex, we knew some troopers that had a strong enough will were able to fight it off. And we also know from Rex that they were fully aware of what they were doing, but just unable to stop themselves.
He didn’t know Anakin was alive but he knew Anakin was Darth Vader from the ROTS when the security records hologram of Sideous giving Anakin his new name . Like that whole episode was written by people who not Star Wars fans and didn’t even watch the freaking movies that preceded this series that they were writing for Reeva knowing Darth Vader and Anakin makes zero sense either because Anakin killed them younglings before order 66 was given . Padme knew he killed the younglins he came in by himself and killed all them children . It’s no way Reeva knows that or even see a hologram of it .
Im not sure that the hologram video had audio, at least it wasn't played in the movie, it was just a visual. So, Obi-Wan may not have known that Anakin was Darth Vader. I'm sure he assumed that Anakin was dead after being set on fire on Mustafar. And that Darth Vader was someone else and not Anakin.
@@9Dunk see they freaking destroying Star Wars Obi-Wan is the glue and basically the foundation of the whole Star Wars saga . Obi-Wan didn’t like Palpatine and saw things his superiors in the Jedi order didn’t see . He told Anakin not to get cool with him . And he told him more than once . Now he a weakling getting saved by women and being lead by a 10 year old girl . I would have respected it more if Obi-Wan was a town drunk hiding in plain site telling stories about finding lightsabers from dead Jedi begging for credits for drinks at the local bar . Sleeping outside collecting intel on the empire and misdirecting storm troopers with false information about the whereabouts of the remaining Jedi
This was a great scene. Ben's fear wasn't just that this was a clone bringing old memories to the forefront. Not only do I imagine that he wondered if the trooper might attempt to execute order 66 upon seeing him, but this was one of Anakin's troopers, loyal to Skywalker; responsible for the massacre of the younglings and countless other Jedi. Ultimately, I'm wondering if he'll reappear as a shadow in the background surging forward and giving his life to save Kenobi as a way of redeeming himself for the events which ultimately culminated in their joint downfall.
They could have replaced the con artist with the begging clone trooper at the end. *insert any reason for why he wouldn't attack Kenobi* Clone: General, you aren't safe here - I know a ship not far from here Kenobi: I am not who you think I am Clone: I served under you and Skywalker, its a terrible thing what happened to the Jedi - I cant allow the same faith befall you, general. And then have him fight Reva, as a last act of loyalty to the republic.
You missed one little part. Obi-Wan says to himself, if ever I needed guidance, Master, It's now. Then the clone asks, spare any credits. Maybe bigger moment than we think.
I believe you are right - we know where fear and anger lead. Immediately on asking for guidance he is presented with an embodiment of his fear and a source of sorrow and anger for him. It allows him to confront it, accept it and let it go. Later in the episode he starts to get in touch with the Force again and it leads directly in the end to him being able to stop fighting Vader on the Death Star and become something more. We see a similar path for Luke in the sequel movies. They both abandon the Force for different reasons, but in the end like Obi Wan, Luke confronts his past, makes his peace and is then able to ultimately transcend.
Possibilities that I think about -he was high on spice and didn't recognize him -he was high on spice and just rationalized it as a hallucination (assuming spice gives hallucinations) -he thinks it's a PTSD flashback / hallucination -he felt regret for order 66 and didn't want to sell out his former general whom he was loyal too in the war -he sees that obi wan gives him credits, so knows that he's a good man and not worth selling to the empire, respecting his kindness -he feels that he's too old and tired of fighting, so he just doesn't report it so he doesn't get into any trouble Or the most likely: he just didn't recognize the old Jedi and just wanted to nod his thanks to a kind man giving him credits Regardless of what it was, I think the most fun part is speculating and thinking the what ifs? Because it shows how deep and rich this world and it's characters are. We can assume that there is so much more going on that we just don't see
Most likely the last one. The inhibitor chips don't have any known time limit. The moment wasn't one of recognition. If it was the Clone would have HAD to do something, he has no choice. Just a dude down on his luck and probably used to being stared at and possibly ridiculed for who he wa, on guard for whatever trouble may happen when some stranger stares at him like that, but thankful when Obi Wan actually gives him some credits.
I saw it as all he wanted was credits for a warm meal and obi wan gave just that and he probably recognized obi wan and chose to say nothing out of respect and kindness for the gesture and during the war anakin, obi wan, plo Koon, ashoka tano, were known for their kindness and way of seeing them as more than clones more than a number they cared about those under their command
Leaving it up to interpretation is the best way they could've gone. If they'd stopped and talked with one another, it could've been written well, but it also could've ruined the moment. I think the silent exchange and the expressional acting of both Morrison and McGregor speaks volumes more than any dialogue could have. Kenobi is afraid, what more he's thinking and feeling we'll probably never know, beyond the intent of the scene showing "there's some complicated feelings about the past here." Same with the trooper, maybe he recognised him, maybe he didn't, it's just one tiny interaction of millions in this galaxy. It's the small, 'unrelated' moments like these that do more for character growth/exploration, than almost 'fate-like' levels of coincidence we see with characters bumping into other characters they know in such a massive galaxy. I'd say that it being a trooper from the 501st, over just some other regular trooper, is already coincidence enough for a post-order-66 Jedi.
What I took away from the fact he's 501st is that he was among the troops who raided the Jedi Temple alongside Anakin/Vader. He killed, likely, countless younglings and padawans, even beyond the Jedi Masters/Knights who certainly died at his hand And here he is, THAT history worn over him, asking Obi-Wan, of all people--the Master who trained Anakin/Vader--for some credits. That was powerful to me.
So yeah. That trooper is in exactly the same point in his life as Ben --Their story arcs are/can be the same. I so, want him to be our next recurring 'original' character. A lone clone trooper - tracks after his former general to redeem what's left of his life. A man that used to think of himself as one of the good guys but was betrayed and utterly failed his purpose, now gets the chance to provide service/rescue to a man whose life was once entrusted to him. A man he'd been certain was dead. The trooper needs to find renewed purpose for the same reason as Ben. They need each other.
I think we aren't giving Obi-Wan enough credit. Sure, his life sucks, but he still held down a job, had a living area, and had money saved up. He wasn't a homeless wreck begging on the street.
Instead of "thanks General" what if he 1st looks in his helmet @ the credits then he looks @ Kenobi and says "I'm sorry General" (with tears in his eyes) that would have been a touching scene 🥺
I’m sure he’s smart enough to put two and two together, Clones turned right before Anakin marched on the temple, both were because of palpatine, Obi wan probably realized that and remembered what Dooku told him in attack of the clones. Gave the clones the benefit of the doubt.
True. Honestly I miss Cody. I feel like there isn’t really much of him ever. He’s still a mystery to me and I’ve been watching Star Wars forever. The only time I really remember him is when he gave the command to wipe Obi and a few times in the Clone Wars.
The way the clone looks at Obi-Wan I feel there's an underlying shame. My first thought when I saw him was that it was Rex. Hope we get to see who the clone really is. Also, I think it would have had an impact if the clone had just said “Thank you, be safe out there” it would give you just enough to wonder about without really ruining it.
the bad batch explains this, eventually the clones started questioning the empire and either went awol, got killed by the empire or got imprisoned by them, this clone probably went awol and left
The blank expression and the way he closes his eyes the way he does, it’s almost as if he is ashamed of what he had partaken in, now he is just left to rot in his own grief.
I thought the same thing, and that it was intentional. When they point the camera at something, its because they want you to see it after all. Their expressions sell the moment, especially since both are veteran actors who know the franchise very well.
I think they both might be feeling so guilty they don’t even know what to say. Obi-Wan is looking at a man who pledged his short life to defending a Republic that no longer exist, then was used by the Empire to destroy that very same Republic only to be later cast aside as thrash. It’s heartbreaking for us, try to see it from Obi-Wan’s perspective and you’ll probably never be happy again. On the other hand, the clone looks sad and even ashamed, because if he’s still breathing he must have survived order 66 literally killing his way out of it. Everything about being a clone is so kriffin unfair.
He totally did. When i saw it, I knew he recognized him. Im pretty sure he heard his voice and knew right away. Why else would he ask? He did serve under him when he and Anakin had had co missions. Really cool to see this scene.
I hope we might see this clone again, dishing it out in one final fight or something. It’s sad I think that he’s still wearing his armour, his only pride or something to be proud of before the empire
Yeah I thought it would be really cool if the clone joined 'General Kenobi' for one last ride and heroically sacrificed himself against maybe Vader to help Obi-Wan escape.
It's even worse for clones than real life veterans. Veterans in the real world know what it is like to have a normal life before serving and fall on hard times after their service is over. Clones they were bred and trained from birth to fight and kill. So, after the war was over, they didn't know what to do as they never knew what a normal life is. Clones I believe get ostracized by galactic society for their role in the rise of the Empire, though they had no choice but to obey and carry out Order 66. Think of it as how veterans were treated during and after Vietnam just many times worse.
Well maybe go hunt down those corrupt officials and stop being blinded by religion pushing blind faith into the masses and dividing those who don't adopt their beliefs
I think the reason this might not be the case is because the episode of clone war where one of the clone defected and choose the life as a father and farmer.
the clones still had a year or two left to serve in the empire when it formed, plus the final batch of clones was probably used by the empire too. We already know that a few planets in the early months or years of the empire resisted and had small rebellions or uprisings, primarily clones were most likely sent to those, thinning their numbers further
I think for both, the war is still being fought in their minds. Both recognized they were pawns, that they fought together for something better but now one was reduced to begging the other to hiding like many of our vets today. It would have been great to see the clone come to his generals aid but it would have taken from the moment and resulting most likely in the clones death. I prefer to think that this storyline would bring about healing and maybe the clone could find some redemption and healing.
Either way, this Clone knew that he encountered Obi Wan. Especially towards the end of the episode when Obi Wan is announced to be in the city and his picture is posted everywhere. No doubt this Clone knew he ran into his home skillet
I mean, it’s possible that he recognized him. He may be a clone but maybe his chip malfunctioned? Maybe the empire had them removed before tossing them out, maybe this clone realized he wasn’t a soldier anymore and the order was null and void. Or maybe he was just a lucky clone and his chip didn’t activate, it’s very rare but possible.
Perhaps the inhibitor chip is only able to actively function for a limited time before it stops working? Nearly 10 years with no maintenance will put significant strain on any electronics.
@@averagejoe9040 The chip did make them follow orders but if they removed it as well, the clones could possibly be rendered less effective in a sense? Kinda like removing discipline and making them less likely to mobilize like a unit? Honestly I’m not sure, maybe I’m stretching too far but the chips had to regulate other things beside just obedience for order 66.
@@teng4412 I think, if Im understanding things correctly, you are right. The chips made them less individualistic. But after the chips were removed they would be more or less ordinary soldiers. Which, while less effective, would still be a problem.
No one else seems to realize the 501st were the ones who stormed the Jedi Temple 🤣, Obi-Wan realized not only was he apart of Anakin's legion but that he was probably personally responsible for the deaths of many friends and younglings of The Order. I honestly think the trooper didn't say anything out of guilt.
To me they recognized each other and the look that passed between them was of mutual respect as well as an agreement that the vet would not give Obi Wan away.
I think the clone definitely recognised Obi-Wan, but at this stage in his life he is most likely depressed and angry at the empire after what they did to him. After all the lying, manipulation and obvious suicide missions (if he served the empire), makes him think that there's no point in telling. As thanks to the empire he has been abandoned and left to suffer.
I honestly expected the clone to pop up at some point later in the episode to help. And I was a bit disappointed that didn't happen. But, I understand why he would have wanted to keep his distance after everything else. Regardless, it was a beautiful, touching moment, albeit painful.
What would be absolutely fitting, is that in an upcoming episode, that Clone sacrifices himself to save Obi-Wan, and nods again and does say 'General' and along the lines of 'It wasn't our fault, but the consequences have destroyed us - Remember us'
Yeah I had the exact same thought. Would have been massively cool if the clone followed 'General Kenobi' for one last ride and valiantly sacrifices himself to save Obi-Wan. Maybe even against Vader and calls out how he and the Empire discarded them after years of loyal service. Could have been very poignant.
To me this makes me very hopeful that this wasn’t a one scene cameo from Morrison. Makes me much more excited that this means we might see another clone maybe come into league with kenobi. Can’t wait
Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the clone return in a future episode to help Obi-Wan. I would like for them to expand on that chip. As you mentioned, it could have worn off...so what would have have done to the clones? How must they feel?
We got to see it in Rebels with some of the the older clones - while the chips had stopped working (and subsequently been removed), the damage they'd left behind (both mental and physical) still made it difficult for some clones to shake off the old programming even when they wanted to, and the whole good-soldiers-follow-orders trigger instinct whenever they encountered a Jedi ultimately led to Wolf betraying the rebels' location to the Empire, although he then fought alongside the Rebels once he came back to his senses and realised what he'd done. Bad Batch is likewise giving us an inside look at how difficult it is to fight off the chip's programming, even when it's only been active for a short while.
@@_Eunoia_ Don't forget, most clones DESPISED the Jedi, most Jedi were incompetent strategists, or closed themselves off from seeing the clones with the force (Part of Palpatines plan to blind the Jedi with death and horror), and thus stopped seeing them as people, or were padawans thrust into the role. These Jedi treated clones like disposable droids, including Ob-wan (When they let clone pilots die to rescue the chancellor). On top of this, everywhere the clones went, a Jedi was there to lead them into it, for every horror they faced, a Jedi was there to push them into it, and for every defeat, a Jedi was there to force them to retreat. They respected them as warriors, as negotiators, as pilots, but NOT as leaders for the most part.
@@littlekong7685 @Littlekong Well, obviously? But that doesn't really have any bearing on my comment? Because the clones we encountered in Rebels were known to be very close/loyal to the Jedi. Especially Wolffe - and he's the one who struggled with the after affects of the chip programming and betrayed the rebel's location to the Empire, before coming to his senses and helping them fight. Canonically, Wolffe and Plo Koon were among the closest Jedi/commander pair, perhaps second only to Cody and Obi-Wan. Rex was likewise very loyal to Anakin and Ahsoka, but even he only managed to fight off the chip's control for a few seconds (keeping himself from shooting Ahsoka) before she had to knock him out. Loyalty/bonds of friendship weren't anything against the power of the chip's programming. And the chips weren't just a "kill all Jedi" switch - it robbed the clones of their empathy, their ability to reason, their moral compass; the ability see an innocent child and know deep down that it's fundamentally wrong to shoot them. Like, Omega isn't a Jedi, or even an enemy of the Republic, but Wrecker still tried to kill her once his chip activated because he no longer saw her as a person, just a prototype wanted by Kamino. Before 66, no clone trooper would've rounded up a whole village of civilians for execution just because they were ordered to by their higher-ups. After 66, the GRA helped commit genocide several times over. They lost their personalities, the individuality and culture they once cherished so much, and basically became meat-robots who only knew how to follow orders. To be honest, THAT is the most tragic part. Ten thousand or so Jedi might have died that day, but millions of clones died the moment those chips were activated.
Another thing to keep in mind is despite the fact its only been ten years since the war ended, the clones are still aging rapidly. So in human years he's been alive for maybe 18 years. In Clone years he is probably in his late 50s to early 60s.
This is ten years after the end of TCW. The oldest clones were 13 by then, so this guy would be 23. He would look about 46. Which is still an age where plenty of people can look twice as old if they live a particularly rough life.
I have a mess of an argument going on for this one but I think it might be Rex doing covert ops and he did not want to blow his or Obi Wans cover, I am not going to argue this fact with anyone but, it is a possibility.
I was about to comment "what about his blonde hair" But then I forgot he dyed it blonde and that his natural hair color is jangos And I really do hope it is Rex he really needs a life action Cameo Either that or a clone wars flash back
I thought the same thing at first then I decided I wanted it to be Cody -because of the existing relationship to Ben. (or is Cody already dead somehow -So easy to lose track of clones).
@@dangtoons1760 That would be good but Cody is going to be in Bad Batch next season and he is a bad guy still but maybe they will get his chip out, also Cody was'nt part of the 501st he was part of the 212th I think.
This Clonetrooper is most likely Dogma. Since he already killed Krell, his inhibitor chip would be useless. So he was forced to retire and become a hermit. Now he’s broken and alone.
What’s more, Obi-Wan never knew about the inhibitor chips. He just knew he’d been betrayed. So him doing that was his first real step back to being a Jedi.
I was worried his order 66 chip was still active lol, but I agree would have been interesting to hear him say "thank you... Sir". Better yet, if this clone intervened to help obi-wan in his battles against the bounty hunters it would have even been MORE epic. Not a word between them, just a clone trooper coming to the aid of his old general. Maybe if the clone got shot, a good last line could have been "it was, an honor, to serve under you, general". Queue fandom tears...
In the comics apparently a jedi on the run was able to use it to get them to turn on the inquisitors--so I imagine if that holds true then if he heard order 66 again maybe? But not just active
@@Miss_Trillium those clones were newer, they were basically the last of that line compared to this veteran clone trooper. So their inhibitor chip wasn't even initiated until that point where they turned on the inquisitors.
Nah they changed codes and everything. Remember the clearance code scene in return of the jedi it was an older code but it checked out. Even in the book of fett the mandalorian had a whole different code for his ship that the new republic picked out quickly too. With that said any order and codes from the old republic were obsolete and were periodically changed throughout the years during the empire's reign and again during the new republic and most definitely during the first order. Keeps things safe from being hacked so to speak
would be sad and heartbreaking if this trooper was the one who'd met Luke in the comics during the rebellion, his trauma having an amnesia effect, thinking that the war never ended, that the Republic still stands. and with those meager credits gained from Obi-wan, the lone trooper would set off to fight back against the government that had cast him aside.
While watching the episode I hoped that this clone was gonna help Obi-Wan, cause he always was nice to the clones, it would have been so cool to have a clone as a main character in the serie
@@Hotspur37 I don't think it was Rex, because he is bald. I'm guessing some minor genetic variations in the clones for some to be bald and others to have a full head of hair. Plus there were thousands of troopers in that unit. That said, I REALLY would like to see Rex again. Especially if Temuera Morrison is in this show already, I hope they don't miss this opportunity.
I know that this is a longshot, but I’m hoping that at some point during the remainder of the season this exact clone trooper comes back into the picture and is able to assist Obi-Wan in some way.
Love the observation that Obi-Wan was terrified seeing the clone. He, too, is very much traumatized by the war and order 66. I think that veteran might've understood Kenobi better than any other character in the show.
that would be great if the vet indeed said "thank you general", it means that even though the vet indeed killed so many Jedi when order 66 was issued, and Obi-Wan still traumatized about the massacre of his brethren, they still shows some respect toward each other, the vet was just following order and the Jedi even though closed his connection to the force, he still hold the code, "no hatred'
Let's also not forget they're like 10-15 years old human time and may have an accelerated growth rate but as far is I personally can tell they don't have an accelerated brain development except for a few of the special main clones we see like Rex, wolffe and Gregor(who still went somewhat crazy) so the clones that are still alive at this specific time depending on the batches they were in are basically a bunch of traumatized teenagers now
"Thank you General" God... just You saying that and making me think of Tem saying that to Mcgreggor... Is just giving me goose bumps and a few tears forming.
I’m not sure if the clone recognized kenobi at all. The whole first part of this series shows how kenobi isn’t obi wan anymore. He’s Ben. I’m guessing clone didn’t recognize him because Ben lost his Jedi swagger. However I do believe it is a very well thought out and filmed commentary on veteran soldiers in general. Reminded me a lot of how the US treated vets that came back from Vietnam.
In terms of notoriety though, General Kenobi was like THE general of the GRA, probably even more well-known than Anakin. Also this is a 501st clone, one of Anakin's, and the 212th battalion (Kenobi's) often tag-teamed a lot of missions with the 501st during the war. Even if they hadn't stood side-by-side on the battlefield, all clones serving under their command would've recognised Obi-Wan's face. Physically he hasn't changed THAT much.
I love that we finally saw temuera morrison in clone armor and I really love that we got real clone troopers in the order 66 scene....from what we seen in the trailer I think we will see more clones
Maybe he saw the former ‘superstar, famous general’… and thought: “well… you and I ended up the same. They got what they wanted and threw us away….” As Maul would say: look what has become of you…. A rat, hiding in the desert…
Judging from the amount of differing speculation here in the comments about the meaning of this short scene, I consider it a wonderful piece of writing. Perhaps it is just luck but I prefer to think its ambiguity was intended and we the audience get to decide what it means to us. Even if it is expanded upon in subsequent episodes, it has engaged many viewers and allows us each individually to feel what we want to feel about the situation presented. edit Man I hope my comment gets me selected amongst the shortlisted winners of an ongoing Ps5 giveaway
One thing you did not mention is that clones age twice as fast as a normal "human". That's why he looked so old. Their window of usefulness was half as much as someone who was not a clone.
If you think about it, he gave credits to the homeless vet, but did nothing to help people in Tatooine. Whatever fear he had, whether he recognized the clone or not, this still shows the respect Obi-Wan had for the troops he served with.
Obi-Wan probably felt more of a connection to the clone, being a war veteran himself.
for me this was so far the best scene in the show. It tells you so much. Obi-wan sees that not only have the jedi lost the war but their betrayers, the clones, they lost everything too and while the betrayl must still deeply heard obi-wan, he shows respect to one of the soldiers that fought beside him and anakin. I wish star wars would do more of this than always trying to be a show for every age, so you cant explore darker concepts like this one.
He can’t go out of his way to help anyone on Tattooine or do anything else that might make anyone think he is a Jedi, or he would endanger his life and possibly Luke’s.
I also interpreted it as he payed him to keep his mouth shut
Oh please, remember the boy? His mission, the boy. He is being hunted, and he trying to protect the boy.
Like Anakin says in season 7 episode 9, "It doesn't matter to them, it's a sign of respect. They know what you went through for them day after day, battle after battle. Loyalty means everything to the clones"
unless they have their jedi genocide chip activated
@@Itztomfoolery very true.
@@Itztomfoolery well they were made to he loyal to the republic above all else, before it was made legends, they still did it without the Chips.
@@mynameis4555 no they didn’t 😂 have you even watched Star Wars
@@obi-wankenobi9187 you might want to re-read that. Before it was made legends. In the Legends books, they did it willingly.
This was the thing that impacted me most in the show so far. Not only does this problem of homeless and unappreciated vets feel very personal to me IRL, but I felt as well that there was something more to this scene. I'm hoping that we might see more content like this as the show continues.
Yeah, it's a sad and relatable moment. Made worse by the fact that we know the clones so well.
It might just be fan service and clones will never be mentioned again.
@@Prefix1998 bad batch season 2
Jedi survivor will both feature clones
Is this clone might be the one who has a family in Rebels or who ends up with Capt rex in tatooine?
It had the same effect on me as seeing the atte being used for crowd control in the bad batch
I saw him on the street one night. It was a moment of clarity, in the midst of my present life. Cast away like garbage, my mind rotting away from whatever I could get my hands on. For a moment after I called out to the passerby for credits, as I always do, I recognized the Jedi when he turned and looked at me. I was terrified at the realization, but the General gazed at me with even more fear. He walked with no bearing or confidence but was gaunt and withered. Instead of just vengeance I imagined for a moment as this, all I saw was another broken man, terrified at the thought that I, a homeless disheveled clone would sound the alarm. Guilty, I wished I had met my end but, instead he threw me some money. I think we both thought the same about each other for a moment as our eyes met right before he quickly turned and left. I smiled at him, hoping to show my remorse, but also because I was glad to see him alive. The war had used us and spit us out and both of us were meant to be forgotten.
That was awesome. 👏🏾 Love it.
Your'e hired!
Is this canon?
Good job, I liked it!!
Well Done, semper fi
There is no doubt in my mind that the clone recognized Obi-Wan. They could have made the trooper just a generic clone, but they CHOSE to make him from the 501st.
If it was a clone from the 212th then by a fair chance Kenobi would've known the clone personally. However it was the 501st so more like they'd probably met.
Its also the only time after episode 3 we see a live action 501st clone, the clones on ferrix in andor wore generic white armor
@@tixxoncraft 501st Troopers are featured live action in The Book of Boba Fett before this though.
He definitely did, You could see it in his eyes.
If the clone recognized him, he would have attacked. Order 66 still stands
Maybe because it was that he didn't care anymore. It's 10 years give or take, after Revenge of the Sith and the formation of the Empire, so the clone like his brothers have been more or less thrown out to be replaced. At this point, whether or not he recognised Obi Wan, the clone probably doesn't care enough to report him to an inquisitor or Imperial personnel.
and they had to deal with order 66 .. not only killing the jedi but abandoning there post to kill said jedi .... its still jango seeing him all given up was sad
@@flatspider Exactly, they were brainwashed/programmed to kill those they fought alongside with.
Absolutely...the Empire doesn't care about him(clone) why should he care about the Empire?
He's probably high on death sticks, so it must be his imagination.
Unless his chip was removed it would force him to try attack or call him out
I thought the same thing too. The way he looks at him seems to suggest he did recognize him and was just waiting to see how Obi Wan would react.
the clone might not recognize him as Kenobi but i am 100% sure he recognized him as a jedi.
Given he is 501st, he might. But he also probably assumes that Obi-Wan is dead.
He probably thought it was a hallucination
I think they were both afraid. The clone was afraid that Obi Wan would attack him out of revenge for the attack on the Jedi, and Obi Wan was afraid that the clone would turn him in (and also afraid that he might have to fight and/or kill the clone).
In the end, the clone was broken and discarded and didn't turn him in, and Obi Wan still had mercy and kindness.
@@jameshersom2536 I like that. The insane PTSD of being a soldier, being tricked into turning on their commanders and friends, and then rapidly aging. I'll bet the public aren't fans of them, either.
This scene hurt more than it should have.
"Little was spoken.
Paragraphs were said."
@e rivera tyvm.
AMAZING
I would have liked him to say the “Thank you, General” line and then when KENOBI was making his escape have the clone be the distraction instead of the con dude. Then the clone sacrifices himself to help Kenobi escape. Saying something like “It’s been an honor general” or something like that.
Dude, that would have been amaze-balls! Ooof... just thinking about that actually got me right in the feels... nice one!
This would've made me cry. Brilliant idea
bro this requires writers with talent so yeah aint gonna get that in modern star wars film & tv
I was thinking that the clone was going to help obiwan too!
Aren’t they programmed to follow orders without question though? So it would be more likely he would have turned on him, similar to the way they did on Kenobi during the actual war
I think the moment is really simple, right before the encounter, Obi wan says “ if ever i needed guidance, master, its now.” Then he encounters the 501st clone, and gives him credits for a meal. The force is telling Obi wan to help his friends and those under the empire suffering. That they can’t be forgotten, or ignored. That there are many suffering and he has the means to help. Simply displayed in this encounter.
This is what I wwas thinking too
This is an underrated comment
Clones can help themselves.
weirding fact: stuff like this happens IRL. It's called SYNCRONICITY.
Mock me all you want... I have spoken.
Hope to see more clone interactions like this or at least expanding on it
I hope to see this clone step up and defend obi wan to allow him to escape the planet. Although thats kinda moot because he already got off
Seriously doubt that will happen, it was just a throwaway to make a point
The one actor could do a whole Clone Trooper series. It would be like the movie Multiplicity. Or Orphan Black perhaps?
Zero chance of that happening. Disney wanted a cameo, and to make a real world political point about homeless veterans. That’s it, that’s all. The level of nuance you desire is not possible with these producers and directors
@@LordBrittish we already got The Bad Batch series lol
I wish to see him in the near future, maybe at a difficult moment, giving his life to save Obi-Wan in some way but having the chance to call him "general" right before.
It is Rex
@@da2317 no its not
@@dallencech1833 people thinks that every clone with blue details are Rex lol
@@Lopez0451 yea I’ve seen a lot of ppl thinking it is and its kinda obvious its not
@@Lopez0451 To be fair the clones do look alot alike 🤔
Assuming this is meant as an allegory for modern day veterans, I would assume the trooper didn't recognize Kenobi because he may intoxicated. Many homeless vets would resort to heavy drinking (or worse) to help "suppress" their PTSD. Another possibility, the clone did "recognize" Kenobi but shrugged it off as a hallucination from his PTSD, a ghost of his past.
And we know he's loitering right around a known drug area.
you're thinking about this too much
@@syxoed this whole channel you're watching thinks about everything too much lol
The fact that you think drugs are worse than alcohol at least gathered by reading your statement Mr Brig
Not really an allegory, but definitely an allusion.
I'd have loved to hear him say "Thank you, general."
Just like the other Jedi who died on Tatooine, it'd be a call for Obi-Wan to remember who he is.
I think it’s because he has lost the will to live. Like Padmé but a bit less. He has gone through the clone wars, order 66, then 10 years of being abandoned and homeless left to rot by the empire. He has also come to realise how order 66 was a mistake and he kinda doesn’t care who gives him credits whether it’s Vader or boolio lol.
Padmé had her life force snuffed out by Palpatine. She didn’t die by losing the will to live. That’s just what the droid’s best guess for her deterioration was.
I see regret in his face..
Like im Sorry for everything
@@CmdrWinters where did you get that information? I’m genuinely curious.
@@lucifrmrningstr2819 it's in the novelization iirc
I could be someone like captain rex where they have their microchip disabled or removed
I’m really hoping we see Cody. After all, he was Kenobi’s right hand man, and it would perfect for Cody to make an appearance.
Since the Inquisitors are hunting Kenobi, they would need someone who knows how Kenobi thinks. So other than Vader, who else was someone close to Kenobi and knew how he thinks strategically?
Truth
@@arya8165 Cody was never in Rebels. And that was Rex, Greggor, and Wulf
@@arya8165 Cody's still working for Papa Palps
We not 100% sure he would still be with the empire he may desert in bad batch season 2
Thats what im saying.
Possibly even get dexter jetster or jarjar into the mix. Could you imagine
I am still in the firm belief, that the clones are one if not the most tragic characters in the Star war movies, being used as slave soldiers then being forced to betray your brother/sister in arms and slaughter them. Then When people are finished with you, you are being thrown away like a piece of carbage.
Don't forget you are forced to destroy the place you thought of as home.
Sounds like Americas military
Very thoughtful comment but I just wanted to say that I read what you meant as "garbage" as "cabbage 🥬" 😅😂.
only in the disney canon... some clones were taken in by the mandalorians. This sits way better with me, mandalorians are the true blue collar workingclass heros of the galaxie.. vet with PTSD, no problem you will be taken care of by the comrades.
but im a ol guy venting about a new storyline that does his beloved clones and the only relatabel cultur in his beloved fictional univers dirty... never mind ;9
And on top of that all the health issues of a body aging twice as fast as a regular human, and an education that focused on warfighting over all other skills.
They made the right choice having that scene play out the way it did. Often times, less is more. By saying no more than he did, he communicated so many different things that would've been lost had he been more talkative and explicit. There are things I don't like about this series, but this moment of subtlety is excellent. More than simply being a member of the 501st, he's almost certainly a clone who was present at the massacre at the Jedi temple on Corascant. The other half of the 501st that went to Mandalore with Ashoka presumably all died when their star destroyer command ship crashed. While I suppose it's hypothetically possible that he survived the crash (although Ashoka likely would've found him when she and Rex buried everyone), it's far more likely that he went to the temple with the newly annointed Darth Vader. Since Vader continued to work wirh most of the 501st Legion when they became Vader's Fist under the empire, the fact he's still wearing the old clone armor and not 501st stormtrooper armor could suggest that he somehow defected in spite of the control chips not long after the events of Revenge of the Sith. The fact there was a silent nod between him and Old Ben said a lot. It's ironic how even though they'd have every reason to hate each other, there was a sense of understanding between them. Both the Jedi and the clone troopers were used, betrayed and discarded by the society they served.
There's actually some credence to the idea that he defected despite the chip. For one there's that scene in The Bad Batch, where several Clone Troopers openly throw down their weapons, and refuse to serve the Empire, knowing that what they're doing is wrong. Then there's the scene where Wrecker goes full Order 66 after Hunter admits he let a Jedi go. Wrecker immediately turns on the rest of 99, and becomes a completely different person. Based on that, it seems it only fully overrides the clones' minds when in the direct presence of a Jedi, or when another clone disobeys Order 66.
Agreed
@@BoogieSquared I think you mean Crosshair, not Wrecker.
@@captainprice8655 No I meant Wrecker, I was referring to the later scene where his chip ends up affecting him
A detachment of the 501st (332nd) was left to occupy Mandalore after the siege. So either this clone fought in the Siege of Mandalore and occupation or fought in the Battle of Coruscant/Jedi Temple Massacre.
If this clone was 501st, and I see no reason to discount that, there were 576 clones in that battalion. There is no way the survivors wouldn't recognize Anakin or Kenobi. And I do think after 10 years the inhibitor chip would break down. Or maybe he was one of the clones that Rex helped get rid of the chip altogether.
The inhibitor chip didn't need to break down; it issued its instruction to kill the Jedi. He'd done that, mission accomplished. It might send a pulse (for the clone it may feel like a sudden stab of conscience) but he's been living with those pulses for 10 years, every time someone looked like one of the Jedi he remembered; After so long, he now knows how to ignore them.
the 501st wasn't a battalion it was a legion as we see the 332nd attack battalion separate (most likely with the remains of the second torrant company) from the main group of the 501st
@@johnathanhughes9881 in the Caleb dume comics commander (?) grey gained a conscience after order 66 and destroyed his ships shields so that Caleb could escape he and styles
The inhibitor chip did three things initially:
1. Suppress the knowledge of why Order 66 was important.
2. Suppress the memories of the mission training for Order 66.
That was the inhibitor part.
3. It made them more susceptible to persuasion, making them one of the few warrior classes that could be Jedi Mind Tricked.
That part was included because it was a simpler bioengineering job to not have two chips, and to give the Jedi a reason to keep the chips in.
1. and 2. were no longer active after Order 66, and had no effect.
3. Was used during Order 66, as a way for Clones to martial their valor against the Jedi by repeating a mantra they were given, if you doubt, remember, good soldiers follow orders.
It was also an important part of maintaining control over the standing army during an intense military changeover.
You can see all 3 of these functions fail in the beginning of Season 6 of Clone Wars, as a clone remembers all of his training, chooses to kill a Jedi when he sees an opportunity, but becomes belligerent. He tries the mantra, but finds no solace in it, it is not convincing to him like it was when his chip worked, all it calls back is the trauma he had endured.
The vast majority of clones that participated in Order 66 believed in it, they were not compelled.
Additionally the Clones knew their job was to break the Jedi Order, not necessarily to take out all past or present Jedi or force users. This is why they did not bother fighting Anakin, and a special dispensation had to be made for Maul and Tano.
This Clone sees Kenobi as a weapon discarded by the republic, just like him.
@@eloujtimereaver4504 sorry to say no , that's not cannon anymore and hasn't been for years, because rex fought the chip when it was trying to take control, tup's malfunctioned and trigger early he didn't remember any training for killing jedi because that would be a suspious considering a council member was stationed on kimono.
They are both so tired. I think the clone knew who he was from the get-go, but it also looks like he regrets everything that happened as well. Most of the clones didn't seem to want to take part in Order 66, and those that broke free earlier than others most likely ended up like this clone here. It seems like he wants Ben to recognize what's happened to them all, but also to show him that he regrets Order 66 by not calling him out. Vod'e An.
Id think the aging of the clones affected the order 66 protocol and chip itself. It was a 501st clone no way he didn’t recognize Obi Wan Kenobi a general he heard of and saw regularly.
According to The Bad Batch.. The chips are still active and clones with the chips are still dangerous
I’m gonna assume it had nothing to do with the chip, he was probably drunk so he didn’t recognize old Ben.
@@stevend3645 Okay so what about Howzer rebellion
@@shayanmosaffa6372 A sad truth for many IRL homeless vets, they become homeless, while suffering ptsd and begin drinking or doing drugs.
@@stevend3645 The difference here is about 8-10 years though. Bad batch is immediately after order 66. So it's not completely out of the question that the chips have degraded over this time gap. Especially if the clones have all turned to alcohol; I can't imagine that would help the longevity of the chips either haha
The Empire took everything from both of them. They had no reason to be enemies. But they obviously couldn't be friends.
I saw this as a non-verbal apology. For how life has treated each other and brief moment of sorrow. The clone knew, I'm sure of it.
Does anyone else get the feeling that that clone may become intrical to the story at some point maybe he saves Obi-Wan or helps him later on, maybe giving that clone even if it's only momentarily a sense of purpose a feeling like he belongs once again
Perhaps a moment of Clone and Kenobi vs Stormtroopers. That old training kicking in, and the Clone being a one man army compared to the Stormtroopers, only to sadly fall to Vader, a sad yet poetic end. Fighting alongside Kenobi, only to die to his true general.
Personally I think I would prefer the scene to be a one off, as it were. Look at the amount of differing speculation and conversation it has already caused amongst viewers just in these comments alone.
A clever piece of writting and acting, and further elaboration may step on the questions many of us have. Did he recognise Obi Wan? If so why didn't he say something, or report him? etc, we are able to generate more answers to these questions if it is left vague than would exsit if they supplied the answers to them in later episodes, it gives us talking points, "how did you interpret the clone scene?" conversations.
Additionally it seems to me to be the kind of scene that folks may get different things from each time they rewatch the series, those "ooh I didn't notice that before" moments can be very enjoyable. Some shows I loved when I was younger no longer 'stand up' now I'm older, often the shows from my youth that I still think are great have these unanswered scenes, allowing me to experience them from a different perspective.
All that said it's not impossible that they could succesfully build upon it, finding out if they do or not is part of why I'm excited for further episodes to drop, I guess we will see :D
@@kevinmoore2474 that'd be cool
No. It was just a nice sad scene
Imagine him and cody teaming up one last time
Many of us real life veterans, myself included, can understand this scene. The signals given means so much and reveals so much. Of course, respect and thank you. It looked like the clone did recognize Obi-Wan. Gut instinct in animals doesn’t go away. “Good soldiers follow orders.” The better question, has this clone removed his inhibitor chip at the time of this reunion? Has Obi-Wan Kenobi ever had the chance to learn about the inhibitor chips? I don’t think Obi-Wan ever learned about the chips. I have seen the same look from Obi-Wan that I see from a lot of people. Post traumatic stress disorder, does this person have it? Often this stereotype is a yes. Yes I saw that parallel. It was a great moment between Obi-Wan and the clone veteran. I am proud to see they included it…
Semper!
Since no one has said it first I would like to be the first to say it. Thank You for your service to our country and for my freedom and my family’s freedom that I get to enjoy every single day because of men and women just like you. Thank You for your service man. I didn’t serve but I have family members who do and who have and sadly I’ve had 2 family members who have made the ultimate sacrifice. My grandfather in WWII a Captain in the US Army’s 101st Airborne and my cousin who made the ultimate sacrifice in Afghanistan as a US Army Ranger.
Again thank you for your service man. God bless and take it easy!
@@GingerGuy93 God bless and thank you for your service!
The Jedi council did know about the chips.
@@TheRealRightPrice Only when it was too late…
@@snfullif pretty sure they knew about the chips for like a year or two before order 66 happened.
Well, for one, Kenobi HAD to recognize the uniform of his units sister unit. That is something one does not forget. Two, the clone could make generous credits by informing the inquisitors. He appears to recognize Kenobi, so why he chose not to is another issue all together. Whether a residual sense of team loyalty, a confused state of mind due to his deterioration, or perhaps even personal respect for his former leader - who knows. Agree with ACEE that there is more to this scene than this brief interaction tells...perhaps we will see more later in this series.
I think it's respect. The Clone clearly recognizes Obi-Wan and seems like he wants to execute order 66. But when Obi-Wan puts the few credits in the helmet the Clone only nodded as a sing of respect and a sorry, and of course he'll remain silent since he doesn't trust the Empire.
I do believe that 501st Clone Trooper did recognize Obi-Wan and wanted to keep him hidden from the Inquisitors by just nodding as a thank you and apology. Watching the Clone Wars TV show has definitely made the Clones Victims of something that didn’t want to do, and by killing the Jedi. Serving by them for 4 years have made the clones respect their Jedi Generals and having the Inhibitor Chip activated during Order 66, I am wondering in their subconscious that the Clones are yelling at themselves to resist against that order. Makes you think that the clones never wanted to kill the Jedi in the first place, no matter what the Campaign of Battlefront II has to say
From my understanding the chips stole the clones sense of free will and once it worm off it gave it back to them and they horrified by what they had done this clone was one of them. He probably didnt want to do order 66 but the chip made him do it not selling out obiwan is making up for that
Yeah I see this as a thank you and an apology… but also… since he probably took part at the massacre at the temple… it could also be this clone’s way of paying penance
@@borrago i heard tem wasnt on set they filmed him separately so that could be why the eye line didnt exactly match up and makes it seem he was blind.
for comparison homie from Rogue One that was play by yen was a blind force user and move slightly different to this clone
When they made the original BF2, the Chip was not a thing yet, so that reference is moot
With Rex, we knew some troopers that had a strong enough will were able to fight it off. And we also know from Rex that they were fully aware of what they were doing, but just unable to stop themselves.
I love how they show the clones again its so nostalgic. Also do you think they brightened up the shade of blue on the 501st troopers or is it just me?
Raytracing on
Yeah they changed the colour of blue and it looks terrible
Considering that the clones are all practical in this show, it's probably just light refracting off the plating
@@mercury2157 and going cheap on the costumes like they did for the makeup.
I thought it was Howzer Ballist from the bad batch because of the bright blueish teal
If he said "Thank you General." I would've cried 💔
"Thank you.......General."
💔😭
Even after 10 years, he still in immense guilt and sadness of what happened. Imagine what he felt after hes revealed Vader's alive
He didn’t know Anakin was alive but he knew Anakin was Darth Vader from the ROTS when the security records hologram of Sideous giving Anakin his new name . Like that whole episode was written by people who not Star Wars fans and didn’t even watch the freaking movies that preceded this series that they were writing for Reeva knowing Darth Vader and Anakin makes zero sense either because Anakin killed them younglings before order 66 was given . Padme knew he killed the younglins he came in by himself and killed all them children . It’s no way Reeva knows that or even see a hologram of it .
Im not sure that the hologram video had audio, at least it wasn't played in the movie, it was just a visual. So, Obi-Wan may not have known that Anakin was Darth Vader. I'm sure he assumed that Anakin was dead after being set on fire on Mustafar. And that Darth Vader was someone else and not Anakin.
@@9Dunk it’s was I got Disney plus it’s clear as day in ROTS and plus Obi-Wan would know because Anakin murdered Mace Windu
Ok, I checked and you're right. There was audio and Palatine calls him Lord Vader right before Obi-Wan turns it off.
@@9Dunk see they freaking destroying Star Wars Obi-Wan is the glue and basically the foundation of the whole Star Wars saga . Obi-Wan didn’t like Palpatine and saw things his superiors in the Jedi order didn’t see . He told Anakin not to get cool with him . And he told him more than once . Now he a weakling getting saved by women and being lead by a 10 year old girl . I would have respected it more if Obi-Wan was a town drunk hiding in plain site telling stories about finding lightsabers from dead Jedi begging for credits for drinks at the local bar . Sleeping outside collecting intel on the empire and misdirecting storm troopers with false information about the whereabouts of the remaining Jedi
This was a great scene. Ben's fear wasn't just that this was a clone bringing old memories to the forefront. Not only do I imagine that he wondered if the trooper might attempt to execute order 66 upon seeing him, but this was one of Anakin's troopers, loyal to Skywalker; responsible for the massacre of the younglings and countless other Jedi. Ultimately, I'm wondering if he'll reappear as a shadow in the background surging forward and giving his life to save Kenobi as a way of redeeming himself for the events which ultimately culminated in their joint downfall.
I can relate to that clone and I to have fallen on hard times. But as you notice, I believe he has not given up. Thats the secret not too give up.
God bless you sir!
They could have replaced the con artist with the begging clone trooper at the end. *insert any reason for why he wouldn't attack Kenobi*
Clone: General, you aren't safe here - I know a ship not far from here
Kenobi: I am not who you think I am
Clone: I served under you and Skywalker, its a terrible thing what happened to the Jedi - I cant allow the same faith befall you, general.
And then have him fight Reva, as a last act of loyalty to the republic.
Great idea.
Still may happen in another way another time.
But they got the Indian guy ..inclusiveness
Cringe.
Cringe.
@@redred1952 Sure they met their check list, but he was a fun character
You missed one little part. Obi-Wan says to himself, if ever I needed guidance, Master, It's now. Then the clone asks, spare any credits. Maybe bigger moment than we think.
Don't listen to that guy, he put the same thing on my comment.
@@ACEE-ee2xr I reported him.
I believe you are right - we know where fear and anger lead.
Immediately on asking for guidance he is presented with an embodiment of his fear and a source of sorrow and anger for him. It allows him to confront it, accept it and let it go.
Later in the episode he starts to get in touch with the Force again and it leads directly in the end to him being able to stop fighting Vader on the Death Star and become something more.
We see a similar path for Luke in the sequel movies. They both abandon the Force for different reasons, but in the end like Obi Wan, Luke confronts his past, makes his peace and is then able to ultimately transcend.
@@ACEE-ee2xr are you talking about the original comment here, or some removed crap spam? Confused, because OP seems to have a decent point is all.
@@SuppleBadger There was a scammer. Don't worry. XD
Possibilities that I think about
-he was high on spice and didn't recognize him
-he was high on spice and just rationalized it as a hallucination (assuming spice gives hallucinations)
-he thinks it's a PTSD flashback / hallucination
-he felt regret for order 66 and didn't want to sell out his former general whom he was loyal too in the war
-he sees that obi wan gives him credits, so knows that he's a good man and not worth selling to the empire, respecting his kindness
-he feels that he's too old and tired of fighting, so he just doesn't report it so he doesn't get into any trouble
Or the most likely: he just didn't recognize the old Jedi and just wanted to nod his thanks to a kind man giving him credits
Regardless of what it was, I think the most fun part is speculating and thinking the what ifs? Because it shows how deep and rich this world and it's characters are. We can assume that there is so much more going on that we just don't see
Most likely the last one. The inhibitor chips don't have any known time limit. The moment wasn't one of recognition. If it was the Clone would have HAD to do something, he has no choice. Just a dude down on his luck and probably used to being stared at and possibly ridiculed for who he wa, on guard for whatever trouble may happen when some stranger stares at him like that, but thankful when Obi Wan actually gives him some credits.
@@MrBottlecapBill wasn’t the whole deal with fives that he was a 1st gen clone and that’s why his chip was malfunctioning
@@lxssiouss6442 5s chip never malfunctioned it was tups that malfunctioned
I saw it as all he wanted was credits for a warm meal and obi wan gave just that and he probably recognized obi wan and chose to say nothing out of respect and kindness for the gesture and during the war anakin, obi wan, plo Koon, ashoka tano, were known for their kindness and way of seeing them as more than clones more than a number they cared about those under their command
I was totally waiting for him to say thanks General.
Leaving it up to interpretation is the best way they could've gone. If they'd stopped and talked with one another, it could've been written well, but it also could've ruined the moment. I think the silent exchange and the expressional acting of both Morrison and McGregor speaks volumes more than any dialogue could have. Kenobi is afraid, what more he's thinking and feeling we'll probably never know, beyond the intent of the scene showing "there's some complicated feelings about the past here." Same with the trooper, maybe he recognised him, maybe he didn't, it's just one tiny interaction of millions in this galaxy. It's the small, 'unrelated' moments like these that do more for character growth/exploration, than almost 'fate-like' levels of coincidence we see with characters bumping into other characters they know in such a massive galaxy.
I'd say that it being a trooper from the 501st, over just some other regular trooper, is already coincidence enough for a post-order-66 Jedi.
What I took away from the fact he's 501st is that he was among the troops who raided the Jedi Temple alongside Anakin/Vader. He killed, likely, countless younglings and padawans, even beyond the Jedi Masters/Knights who certainly died at his hand
And here he is, THAT history worn over him, asking Obi-Wan, of all people--the Master who trained Anakin/Vader--for some credits.
That was powerful to me.
So yeah. That trooper is in exactly the same point in his life as Ben --Their story arcs are/can be the same. I so, want him to be our next recurring 'original' character. A lone clone trooper - tracks after his former general to redeem what's left of his life. A man that used to think of himself as one of the good guys but was betrayed and utterly failed his purpose, now gets the chance to provide service/rescue to a man whose life was once entrusted to him. A man he'd been certain was dead. The trooper needs to find renewed purpose for the same reason as Ben. They need each other.
I think we aren't giving Obi-Wan enough credit. Sure, his life sucks, but he still held down a job, had a living area, and had money saved up. He wasn't a homeless wreck begging on the street.
Just watch bad batch bro. Lol
That would be worth watching but is perhaps too deep for these producers/directors...
Instead of "thanks General" what if he 1st looks in his helmet @ the credits then he looks @ Kenobi and says "I'm sorry General" (with tears in his eyes) that would have been a touching scene 🥺
“Temuera Morrison finally makes a live action appearance as a clone”
Boba Fett- “am I a joke to you?”
Because he gave him the money, and he fought and cares about the clones.
Wait. Does Kenobi even know about the whole inhibitor chip thing? Or does he still think that they just betrayed them like that?
Excellent question… not sure
I’m sure he’s smart enough to put two and two together, Clones turned right before Anakin marched on the temple, both were because of palpatine, Obi wan probably realized that and remembered what Dooku told him in attack of the clones. Gave the clones the benefit of the doubt.
Implied, sure. But I don’t think it’s confirmed canonically that he knows or not (at this point)… correct me if I’m wrong
@@John-jt4ol Apparently he's not smart enough to put two and two together about Anakin being a alive and being Vader though.
In this universe of Star Wars the chip never existed.
i hope we get cody at some point in the series
True. Honestly I miss Cody. I feel like there isn’t really much of him ever. He’s still a mystery to me and I’ve been watching Star Wars forever. The only time I really remember him is when he gave the command to wipe Obi and a few times in the Clone Wars.
The way the clone looks at Obi-Wan I feel there's an underlying shame. My first thought when I saw him was that it was Rex. Hope we get to see who the clone really is.
Also, I think it would have had an impact if the clone had just said “Thank you, be safe out there” it would give you just enough to wonder about without really ruining it.
I don't think it's rex the helmet was different
@@erwinrommel1462 The helmet is, Rex's was a hybrid of phase 1 and 2.
The breastplate also does not match the one Rex had. The two vertical blue stripes of the 501st were not painted on Rex.
@@erwinrommel1462 Rex would’ve also been in a different planet at this time and chilling with Wolfe and Gregor
the bad batch explains this, eventually the clones started questioning the empire and either went awol, got killed by the empire or got imprisoned by them, this clone probably went awol and left
The blank expression and the way he closes his eyes the way he does, it’s almost as if he is ashamed of what he had partaken in, now he is just left to rot in his own grief.
When u said if the clone said “thanks general” would’ve been cool. It would’ve been more crazy in my opinion if he said “I’m sorry”
Yeah that's what i was thinking
I thought the same thing, and that it was intentional. When they point the camera at something, its because they want you to see it after all. Their expressions sell the moment, especially since both are veteran actors who know the franchise very well.
The way he called out to Obi among the crowd, no question.
I think they both might be feeling so guilty they don’t even know what to say. Obi-Wan is looking at a man who pledged his short life to defending a Republic that no longer exist, then was used by the Empire to destroy that very same Republic only to be later cast aside as thrash. It’s heartbreaking for us, try to see it from Obi-Wan’s perspective and you’ll probably never be happy again.
On the other hand, the clone looks sad and even ashamed, because if he’s still breathing he must have survived order 66 literally killing his way out of it. Everything about being a clone is so kriffin unfair.
He totally did. When i saw it, I knew he recognized him. Im pretty sure he heard his voice and knew right away. Why else would he ask? He did serve under him when he and Anakin had had co missions. Really cool to see this scene.
I hope we might see this clone again, dishing it out in one final fight or something. It’s sad I think that he’s still wearing his armour, his only pride or something to be proud of before the empire
Yeah I thought it would be really cool if the clone joined 'General Kenobi' for one last ride and heroically sacrificed himself against maybe Vader to help Obi-Wan escape.
Same lad would be sick to see him pull up and help obi-wan take out some inquisitors and help get Leila back home
Yeah no
I know this is 3 months old but no, not every character needs added onto. Let your imagination do that.
We might see that clone in the next season 🤔
It's even worse for clones than real life veterans. Veterans in the real world know what it is like to have a normal life before serving and fall on hard times after their service is over. Clones they were bred and trained from birth to fight and kill. So, after the war was over, they didn't know what to do as they never knew what a normal life is. Clones I believe get ostracized by galactic society for their role in the rise of the Empire, though they had no choice but to obey and carry out Order 66. Think of it as how veterans were treated during and after Vietnam just many times worse.
Plus, clones don't seem to do well alone
Well maybe go hunt down those corrupt officials and stop being blinded by religion pushing blind faith into the masses and dividing those who don't adopt their beliefs
Yeah they were treated like absolute garbage after the Vietnam War.
I think the reason this might not be the case is because the episode of clone war where one of the clone defected and choose the life as a father and farmer.
the clones still had a year or two left to serve in the empire when it formed, plus the final batch of clones was probably used by the empire too. We already know that a few planets in the early months or years of the empire resisted and had small rebellions or uprisings, primarily clones were most likely sent to those, thinning their numbers further
I think for both, the war is still being fought in their minds. Both recognized they were pawns, that they fought together for something better but now one was reduced to begging the other to hiding like many of our vets today. It would have been great to see the clone come to his generals aid but it would have taken from the moment and resulting most likely in the clones death. I prefer to think that this storyline would bring about healing and maybe the clone could find some redemption and healing.
Either way, this Clone knew that he encountered Obi Wan. Especially towards the end of the episode when Obi Wan is announced to be in the city and his picture is posted everywhere. No doubt this Clone knew he ran into his home skillet
Imagine if the clone was a 212th and not 501st it would've been more sadder.
I mean, it’s possible that he recognized him. He may be a clone but maybe his chip malfunctioned? Maybe the empire had them removed before tossing them out, maybe this clone realized he wasn’t a soldier anymore and the order was null and void. Or maybe he was just a lucky clone and his chip didn’t activate, it’s very rare but possible.
Perhaps the inhibitor chip is only able to actively function for a limited time before it stops working? Nearly 10 years with no maintenance will put significant strain on any electronics.
I dont think the empire would remove the only thing that gave them control of the clones before dispanfing them, thats just asking for trouble.
@@wolfcariocharlotte4315 Honestly who knows. Also wasn’t it a biochip?
@@averagejoe9040 The chip did make them follow orders but if they removed it as well, the clones could possibly be rendered less effective in a sense? Kinda like removing discipline and making them less likely to mobilize like a unit? Honestly I’m not sure, maybe I’m stretching too far but the chips had to regulate other things beside just obedience for order 66.
@@teng4412 I think, if Im understanding things correctly, you are right. The chips made them less individualistic. But after the chips were removed they would be more or less ordinary soldiers. Which, while less effective, would still be a problem.
I'm hoping this isn't the last time we see him. And he helps the old General.
I think Obi-wan may have realised that the clones were used and disregarded by the Empire too... just in the last seconds when he turned away.
No one else seems to realize the 501st were the ones who stormed the Jedi Temple 🤣, Obi-Wan realized not only was he apart of Anakin's legion but that he was probably personally responsible for the deaths of many friends and younglings of The Order. I honestly think the trooper didn't say anything out of guilt.
“Nobody realizes” my guy every prequels fan and fan of the clone wars undoubtedly knows who raided the Jedi Temple with Anakin.
@@liamhamilton9086 I'm not your guy for one so gtfo with that.. And time is relative, maybe show up 2 months earlier and my comment would make sense.
To me they recognized each other and the look that passed between them was of mutual respect as well as an agreement that the vet would not give Obi Wan away.
Obi wan was one of the seclect few jedi who genuinely cared about the clones
Its like that scene at end of The Dark Knight Rises when Alfred and Bruce see each other but don't say anything.
I concur. I felt the same about the armor, they went out of their way to distinguish it at 501st
I think the clone definitely recognised Obi-Wan, but at this stage in his life he is most likely depressed and angry at the empire after what they did to him. After all the lying, manipulation and obvious suicide missions (if he served the empire), makes him think that there's no point in telling. As thanks to the empire he has been abandoned and left to suffer.
Given the look he had I think they kenobi and the clone knew who each other are but merely kept it as it was
I honestly expected the clone to pop up at some point later in the episode to help. And I was a bit disappointed that didn't happen. But, I understand why he would have wanted to keep his distance after everything else. Regardless, it was a beautiful, touching moment, albeit painful.
What would be absolutely fitting, is that in an upcoming episode, that Clone sacrifices himself to save Obi-Wan, and nods again and does say 'General' and along the lines of 'It wasn't our fault, but the consequences have destroyed us - Remember us'
Yeah I had the exact same thought. Would have been massively cool if the clone followed 'General Kenobi' for one last ride and valiantly sacrifices himself to save Obi-Wan. Maybe even against Vader and calls out how he and the Empire discarded them after years of loyal service. Could have been very poignant.
To me this makes me very hopeful that this wasn’t a one scene cameo from Morrison. Makes me much more excited that this means we might see another clone maybe come into league with kenobi. Can’t wait
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The mind recognizes a face really well. 10 years is nothing, there is no way he didnt recognize him.
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I really wish he had slipped in "Thanks General", I think that would have hit so much harder.
This just shows the heart of obi Wan he gave credits to the people that tried to kill him and killed basically all the jedi.
It wasn't their choice
Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the clone return in a future episode to help Obi-Wan. I would like for them to expand on that chip. As you mentioned, it could have worn off...so what would have have done to the clones? How must they feel?
We got to see it in Rebels with some of the the older clones - while the chips had stopped working (and subsequently been removed), the damage they'd left behind (both mental and physical) still made it difficult for some clones to shake off the old programming even when they wanted to, and the whole good-soldiers-follow-orders trigger instinct whenever they encountered a Jedi ultimately led to Wolf betraying the rebels' location to the Empire, although he then fought alongside the Rebels once he came back to his senses and realised what he'd done. Bad Batch is likewise giving us an inside look at how difficult it is to fight off the chip's programming, even when it's only been active for a short while.
@@_Eunoia_ Don't forget, most clones DESPISED the Jedi, most Jedi were incompetent strategists, or closed themselves off from seeing the clones with the force (Part of Palpatines plan to blind the Jedi with death and horror), and thus stopped seeing them as people, or were padawans thrust into the role. These Jedi treated clones like disposable droids, including Ob-wan (When they let clone pilots die to rescue the chancellor). On top of this, everywhere the clones went, a Jedi was there to lead them into it, for every horror they faced, a Jedi was there to push them into it, and for every defeat, a Jedi was there to force them to retreat. They respected them as warriors, as negotiators, as pilots, but NOT as leaders for the most part.
@@littlekong7685 @Littlekong Well, obviously? But that doesn't really have any bearing on my comment? Because the clones we encountered in Rebels were known to be very close/loyal to the Jedi. Especially Wolffe - and he's the one who struggled with the after affects of the chip programming and betrayed the rebel's location to the Empire, before coming to his senses and helping them fight. Canonically, Wolffe and Plo Koon were among the closest Jedi/commander pair, perhaps second only to Cody and Obi-Wan. Rex was likewise very loyal to Anakin and Ahsoka, but even he only managed to fight off the chip's control for a few seconds (keeping himself from shooting Ahsoka) before she had to knock him out. Loyalty/bonds of friendship weren't anything against the power of the chip's programming.
And the chips weren't just a "kill all Jedi" switch - it robbed the clones of their empathy, their ability to reason, their moral compass; the ability see an innocent child and know deep down that it's fundamentally wrong to shoot them. Like, Omega isn't a Jedi, or even an enemy of the Republic, but Wrecker still tried to kill her once his chip activated because he no longer saw her as a person, just a prototype wanted by Kamino. Before 66, no clone trooper would've rounded up a whole village of civilians for execution just because they were ordered to by their higher-ups. After 66, the GRA helped commit genocide several times over.
They lost their personalities, the individuality and culture they once cherished so much, and basically became meat-robots who only knew how to follow orders. To be honest, THAT is the most tragic part. Ten thousand or so Jedi might have died that day, but millions of clones died the moment those chips were activated.
Another thing to keep in mind is despite the fact its only been ten years since the war ended, the clones are still aging rapidly.
So in human years he's been alive for maybe 18 years. In Clone years he is probably in his late 50s to early 60s.
This is ten years after the end of TCW. The oldest clones were 13 by then, so this guy would be 23. He would look about 46. Which is still an age where plenty of people can look twice as old if they live a particularly rough life.
@@rosesweetcharlotte more over while he's "old" he's obviously still much younger than Rex and crew years later in Rebels.
My head canon is that it was Commander Appo.
This is one of the best scenes of the first two episodes for certain. So much said in so little time with so few words. Really pretty awesome.
Imagine if the clone helps Obi-wan later in the series.
I have a mess of an argument going on for this one but I think it might be Rex doing covert ops and he did not want to blow his or Obi Wans cover, I am not going to argue this fact with anyone but, it is a possibility.
Fully agree with you on that. However, I think he was shocked to see Obi was still alive and now he has something major to report to Asoka.
I was about to comment "what about his blonde hair"
But then I forgot he dyed it blonde and that his natural hair color is jangos
And I really do hope it is Rex he really needs a life action Cameo
Either that or a clone wars flash back
I thought the same thing at first then I decided I wanted it to be Cody -because of the existing relationship to Ben. (or is Cody already dead somehow -So easy to lose track of clones).
@@dangtoons1760 That would be good but Cody is going to be in Bad Batch next season and he is a bad guy still but maybe they will get his chip out, also Cody was'nt part of the 501st he was part of the 212th I think.
Being in a family of Veterans seeing the clones like this hits different
Bad memories?
This Clonetrooper is most likely Dogma. Since he already killed Krell, his inhibitor chip would be useless. So he was forced to retire and become a hermit. Now he’s broken and alone.
NO that would be terirble omg. i would’ve felt so bad.
Could be Appo or Dogma
I whole heartedly believe that it is Appo . 501st with exact marking and the few that have standard armor and named.
@@frauzschttek2098 doesn’t Appo have a arrow in his helmet? If I remember correctly he also died in a comic but maybe idk
@@frauzschttek2098 Appo continued to serve under vader until his death to rebels.
What’s more, Obi-Wan never knew about the inhibitor chips. He just knew he’d been betrayed. So him doing that was his first real step back to being a Jedi.
I was worried his order 66 chip was still active lol, but I agree would have been interesting to hear him say "thank you... Sir". Better yet, if this clone intervened to help obi-wan in his battles against the bounty hunters it would have even been MORE epic. Not a word between them, just a clone trooper coming to the aid of his old general. Maybe if the clone got shot, a good last line could have been "it was, an honor, to serve under you, general". Queue fandom tears...
A simple "I'm sorry" would have communicated his intent just as well with less potential for issues.
Do you think that if the clone actually did recognize him that he would've gone Order 66 again?
@@TrivodexSW But it was never rescinded either
It was likely the command had worn off by that point
In the comics apparently a jedi on the run was able to use it to get them to turn on the inquisitors--so I imagine if that holds true then if he heard order 66 again maybe? But not just active
@@Miss_Trillium those clones were newer, they were basically the last of that line compared to this veteran clone trooper. So their inhibitor chip wasn't even initiated until that point where they turned on the inquisitors.
Nah they changed codes and everything. Remember the clearance code scene in return of the jedi it was an older code but it checked out. Even in the book of fett the mandalorian had a whole different code for his ship that the new republic picked out quickly too. With that said any order and codes from the old republic were obsolete and were periodically changed throughout the years during the empire's reign and again during the new republic and most definitely during the first order. Keeps things safe from being hacked so to speak
would be sad and heartbreaking if this trooper was the one who'd met Luke in the comics during the rebellion, his trauma having an amnesia effect, thinking that the war never ended, that the Republic still stands.
and with those meager credits gained from Obi-wan, the lone trooper would set off to fight back against the government that had cast him aside.
Nah, the trooper Luke met had been stranded there since the early clone wars, he had phase 1 armour IIRC
While watching the episode I hoped that this clone was gonna help Obi-Wan, cause he always was nice to the clones, it would have been so cool to have a clone as a main character in the serie
I'd like to see him come back to play more clones, especially Cody and Rex.
Rex had blue on his armour and is shown with a beard in the Rebels series. So I am hoping this is Rex and Obiwan will help out in a future episode.
@@Hotspur37 I don't think it was Rex, because he is bald. I'm guessing some minor genetic variations in the clones for some to be bald and others to have a full head of hair. Plus there were thousands of troopers in that unit.
That said, I REALLY would like to see Rex again. Especially if Temuera Morrison is in this show already, I hope they don't miss this opportunity.
Having you explain it like this, it makes this scene so much sadder.
I know that this is a longshot, but I’m hoping that at some point during the remainder of the season this exact clone trooper comes back into the picture and is able to assist Obi-Wan in some way.
Love the observation that Obi-Wan was terrified seeing the clone. He, too, is very much traumatized by the war and order 66. I think that veteran might've understood Kenobi better than any other character in the show.
that would be great if the vet indeed said "thank you general", it means that even though the vet indeed killed so many Jedi when order 66 was issued, and Obi-Wan still traumatized about the massacre of his brethren, they still shows some respect toward each other, the vet was just following order and the Jedi even though closed his connection to the force, he still hold the code, "no hatred'
Let's also not forget they're like 10-15 years old human time and may have an accelerated growth rate but as far is I personally can tell they don't have an accelerated brain development except for a few of the special main clones we see like Rex, wolffe and Gregor(who still went somewhat crazy) so the clones that are still alive at this specific time depending on the batches they were in are basically a bunch of traumatized teenagers now
"Thank you General" God... just You saying that and making me think of Tem saying that to Mcgreggor... Is just giving me goose bumps and a few tears forming.
Everyone seems to be forgetting we saw him in that first trailer… he will be in the show again
I’m not sure if the clone recognized kenobi at all. The whole first part of this series shows how kenobi isn’t obi wan anymore. He’s Ben. I’m guessing clone didn’t recognize him because Ben lost his Jedi swagger.
However I do believe it is a very well thought out and filmed commentary on veteran soldiers in general. Reminded me a lot of how the US treated vets that came back from Vietnam.
In terms of notoriety though, General Kenobi was like THE general of the GRA, probably even more well-known than Anakin. Also this is a 501st clone, one of Anakin's, and the 212th battalion (Kenobi's) often tag-teamed a lot of missions with the 501st during the war. Even if they hadn't stood side-by-side on the battlefield, all clones serving under their command would've recognised Obi-Wan's face. Physically he hasn't changed THAT much.
I love that we finally saw temuera morrison in clone armor and I really love that we got real clone troopers in the order 66 scene....from what we seen in the trailer I think we will see more clones
And in book of Boba Fett ep.5 or 6
@@gdhffhdshsd4594 oh yeah I forgot about the clones in the book of boba fett
After watching bad batch season two this hits different. "We were good soldiers, we followed orders"
Maybe he saw the former ‘superstar, famous general’… and thought: “well… you and I ended up the same. They got what they wanted and threw us away….”
As Maul would say: look what has become of you…. A rat, hiding in the desert…
This really made me cry when this scene came up....😔
I just think it’s interesting that the clone spoke to him, right after he asked Qui-Gon to talk to him. I’m wondering if it was Qui-Gon in disguise.
Judging from the amount of differing speculation here in the comments about the meaning of this short scene, I consider it a wonderful piece of writing. Perhaps it is just luck but I prefer to think its ambiguity was intended and we the audience get to decide what it means to us. Even if it is expanded upon in subsequent episodes, it has engaged many viewers and allows us each individually to feel what we want to feel about the situation presented.
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One thing you did not mention is that clones age twice as fast as a normal "human". That's why he looked so old. Their window of usefulness was half as much as someone who was not a clone.
Even just "Thank you, sir" with a little too much respect would have been epic.