Yamaha Ténéré 700: Why am I ditching Mosko Moto Reckless 80 in favour for pannier system?
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I've been experimenting with the luggage systems on Ténéré for a while now trying out 4 different ones.
With Honda I had simple Wolfman saddle bags and light duffel bag and that combo worked very well. For Ténéré I wanted to try much hyped Mosko Moto luggage.
I tried Backcountry panniers and Reckless system to reach the conclusion that I'm not a guy for Reckless. In this video I'm explaining my journey back to my current setup which is Turkana HippoHips saddle bags.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:38 Luggage options
02:48 Weight
06:24 Issues with Reckless
10:12 Summary
Resources:
Mosko Moto
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Wolfman Luggage
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Turkana Gear
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I own the Reckless 80 setup. I totally agree with your observations. However, where I am not aligned is that I'm not climbing in and out of my panniers throughout the day. I load them in the morning and don't go into them until the next camp spot. That's because I'm riding throughout the day. I use the top bag for the items that I want to access during the day of riding, such as gloves, warm layers, some snacks, etc. I find that the Reckless system forces me to bring what I need, versus that and more. I just traveled for 5 days on the AZ/UT BDR. I wasn't lacking anything: Tent, 2 down sleeping bags, sleeping pad, rain gear, clothing (layers), personal cleaning supplies, water filter, thermos for cold water, camp chair, stove.
Some of the comments raise questions about the weight of the system. As someone who sews, I can say that the quality of the Mosko products is exceptional. As someone who drops his bike from time to time, I can say from personal experience that the stuff holds up to all sorts of abuse. It is so rare to find products made to that standard these days. We definitely shouldn't criticize the product for being capable of standing up to adventure riding. And...I'm certain that our bikes don't care whether it weighs 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 pounds more than the competition. If my riding ability comes down to that level of detail, I won't need to concern myself with that level of detail.
As far as strapping hassles is concerned, the Mosko Moto Gnoblin makes attaching and unattaching a breeze.
As far as loading the dry bag into the "holster/pannier" is concerned. It's really no big deal. It's sort of a square peg round hole / 10 pounds of sh_t in a 5 pound bag issue. You figure out how to do it very quickly.
Finally, it's nice to have one less thing (racking structure) to get bent/damaged during my outings.
Thank you again for starting this conversation. It's a large financial outlay, so getting what you want the first time is something that you want to get right.
I've had a whole pig on the back of my bike before, but we broke up a year ago.
Bruh😂
Such a clear message! Thanks. Now I've a bigger problem and more to consider.
What will really twist you? He is running a racklis with a rack... not step up right
Wow! Good info!
I have just purchased the reckless 80 after a ride on the Oregon BDR.. my Tusk Panniers stick out so far I whacked a log on on of the narrow sections.. I must say the Tusk held my bike up on several spills they did bend around the rack! And they r very heavy !
I found this video when I was looking for the Mosko Moto unpacking and assembly videos… your points r a very good insight of being difficult to get bags in pockets and having to remove everything to get to one thing … I think I will pay the shipping and return them Dang!!!
Thanks!
Thank you for the information, this was very helpful
All the luck and good travels in 2022 🎄
Thank you very much Rudy, I hope we will all get some good travels in 2022. Fingers crossed.
Thanks for this review. We are going for the reckless system, but simply because it's easier to switch between the Africa Twin and the Suzuki DRZ 400.
Also love the way they made it easy to replace the straps etc. on the go.
But the way you use it etc. I can imagine why to go for a different set up.
Safe travels!
Hey, yes if you want to swap the bikes it would be another point to get the reckless. Very easy to install it. Yes the way how most of the straps can be swapped with the aluminium bars is incredible.
I really liked the product, it is build well, unfortunately not compatible with my way to use it as you say. Well... it's a process to find what works.
Interesting points, thanks 👍
Most welcome. Just my opinions and experience.
I ride very technical single track and very steep. I need gear as close in as possible. Mosko is built bomber tough as well as I’m very hard on bike laying it down on rocks at times.
Racks force gear further out…….period.
If you ride dirt roads and pavements thru India I’m sure it’s fine but at the expert level, rackless is really the only answer
Man this was great because I was wanting to go rackless. Now i will start looking at tusk or giant loop to see which is lighter. Otherwise I will just hang on to my back country 35. Thanks for the info
Great video mate👍 you represent a real opinion of use in day by day circumstances. Very practical approach with I appreciate. I personally went through some of the solutions and still trying to find out what is the best. Recently thinking about reckless solutions...but after your honest opinion I have to rethink it, thanks 👍
So far, the aluminium panniers plus the simplest dry bag is the easiest, more comfortable system in my eyes, though we know about the sacrifice having them...cheers 🤙
Thank you for the kind words. I try to put it out as it is, I buy the gear and I use the gear (and most often destroy it)…
I have seen rackess around quite a bit and I think it works for time limited trip, living in rackless i find very difficult and people who travel long term I met with it are sharing my concerns and problems.
Usually they endup with massive roll bag… putting a lot of weight up.
Soft Paniers is my go to with the Backcountry 30 on top.
A thought provoking review. I switch between frames and Kriega ADV panniers with a roll bag (about 90 litres and 20kg of weight not including the racks) for camping and soft Reckless 40 for really light or hotel hopping. I'm not a round the world guy, my biggest trip was the Nordic TET, so big but easy miles but in the Arctic Circle, so extra fuel and carrying everything on my 701. For big trips, I like the racks.
Hi Andrew, your solution/style makes sense 100%.
I just tend to go for longer trips which makes Rackless impractical for me. I know people who travel long term with it and like it. I really don’t think about Rackless as a bad product, it just need to be used for what it is intended to I think. It’s like “the perfect tire” debate… there is no perfect tire only good tire for specific use.
It seems I’m just the rack & pannier guy somehow.
I own some old Kriegs US10,US20 bags and they’re just amazing.
One of the very candid reviews of the Mosko Moto soft luggage. On the heavy side and the Reckless R40 / R80 Liter are cumbersome to pack.
In the nutshell... spot on.
You have offered quite the practical perspective. I’ve always thought that the Reckless 80 didn’t do much to lessen the weight and you just confirmed my thoughts. But, the points you made about the hassle of loading those dry bags into the holsters is eye opening and makes a lot of sense. I have a set of X Country panniers that the Rolling Hobo used, they’re from Poland and I like them a lot but the opening could be just a bit bigger. I also have a set of Enduristan Blizzard panniers that are also great but the only issue with the set that I have is I bought the medium instead of the large or extra large that they sell. The Blizzards fit tight to the bike and they don’t flop around. But, without a doubt the best bags that I’ve ever owned are the first gen Magadan panniers from Adventure Spec. The Magadan’s are tough as nails, have dry bag inserts with wide openings for accessibility, two external pockets front & back, and the best thing that I like about them is they are lockable with the use of Steel Core straps. I can’t tell how much piece of mind it is to get off of the bike in strange place when you need to run into a shop or stop for lunch somewhere and know that your soft luggage is locked up. That’s not to say that someone with bad intentions couldn’t cut through the bags if left unattended for some period of time but, you get my point. The Magadan’s do require a rack, though. ✌🏾
What a great video. I sold my Reckless 80 after my first long trip with it. I was thrilled to pull the trigger on them initially but packing them and access was a chore. Digging to the bottom to get something was aggravating, and so many straps to fiddle with. I’m looking hard at the new Rigg Gear Hurricane panniers and add on storage solutions. 👍
Hi Jesse, seems I’m speaking from hearts and minds of many people. Yea I was also so excited about the kit. The excitement dissipated quite quickly 🤷🏻♂️
Never heard about the Rigg Gear, will check it out. I’m now testing the @TurkanaGear
Me and hubby are trying out the Nelson-Rigg Hurricane panniers, we're very happy so far. Easy to pack, water proof and sturdy. Also they're pretty low weight and come at a VERY reasonable price!
I’ve had the Rackless 80 too and while it’s really high quality and all that, in use I too found it a bit cumbersome.
Thanks for your real world feedback. I dont own any Mosko but their tool roll. Quite an overbuilt piece of kit as well! I have been interested in their panniers but their luxury premium pricing makes them a non-starter for me. I have been using the same set of wolfman panniers that you have overtop of rotopax (one petro, one water) and it works very well for me. Really dont want to get rid of the rotopax either so the options are limited.
Yep, exactly the Wolfman on top of the Rotopax as I had it on CB500X worked wonderfully. I'm working on another video about my current setup which is a mix between Turkana HippoHips and the Mosko Backcountry 30 duffel. Without any spoilers the Mosko Duffel features on the top are really useful for me and I use the whole thing as a backpack for hiking.
More on that in the upcoming video.
@@FARANDFURTHER I will watch out for it. My set up will be similar but with the Lone Rider Overlander bag. It has the back pack straps as well, but light, durable, full featured, and fits my budget at all most half the price of mosko.
I would like to find a way to securely attach the lone rider moto bags over top of the rotopax, similar to the way wolfman does it with the straps to the pannier rack, but there are a few challenges around that to be worked out. On either my KTM 690 or Triumph 1200, there is not enough clearance to mount the rotopax on the inside of the rack, without modification to make the rack wider...which I prefer not to do, for the same reasons you have pointed out in your video.
The Turkana HippoHips have very similar attachment as the Wolfman. I think the reason is that both are designed as "saddle bag"s with connecting strap over the seat. That is different design from let's say Mosko, Kriega OS or Lone rider (not sure) which are "soft panniers" meaning they are only held in place using the rack which makes it difficult to attach them "over something" securely I think.
After a longer trip to Nordkap with Rack-mounted Kriega-bags on my Ténéré 700, I found the rack solution to be too wide, sold it and bought the Reckless 80. Tried it for a 2 day camping trip - only to find out that it is not made for long distance travel - the bags don't slide in as shown in the merch videos (when fully packed, even empty its difficult), which is my greatest complaint - other than than, 1001 straps to tighten. Still want to stay reckless, but the reckless 80 is up for sale. Great review!
So are you going back to racks and Kriega?
@@imcheaperthanyou9805 no - I will definitely stay reckless with the T7, but maybe try the Enduristan Blizzard L plus their Tornado bag on top - look more accesscible to me - still collecting ideas thou
If it’s a weight issue, pack less stuff, and go to a Reckless 40. It comes in at 4.76 kg, which is the same weight as Outback Motorteks pannier racks. Taking the 40, (and replacing the top bag with a 22 Stinger, will bring you to 50 litres) it’ll force you to pack less, or smaller and lighter, and have a better time on the trail. Look at Adam Riemann’s channel. He’s travelled all over the world, and packs to the minimum. He has a video emphasising, and explains how excess weight ruins a bikes handling.
I have GL RTW on AT with racks. Easy on/ off, large volume, inner bags, waterproof, easy to clean, extra pockets & lock to rack ! I'm happy except the initial cost! Planning on 2 small ?or 1 rotopax on engine crashbars when needed .
A lot of people use GL from the comments and feedback. I unfortunately don't have personal experience with them sounds like a solid kit.
I never put anything on the crashbars because anything I put there I always destroy.
@@FARANDFURTHER I'll be making plastic skid wrap ziptied on but only use the rotopax for places with few gas stops & long trips leaving empty until needed.safe travels!
Very interesting thoughts. I considered going with reckless because I get frustrated with weight, and that the racks needs welding more often than I would expect.
But with the soft panniers that I have now (From Giant Loop)
I probably will not find lighter or more practical system. I can store the Rotopax on the left side, behind the rack, which means that weight is low.
I truly believe that the lightweight soft panniers are the way to go for long term travel. The ease of packing and simplicity of that system is just different level than anything rackless.
I have rack (probably the same one) for the Rotopax as well. The welding... well the good news is that it's steel so it's super easy to fix everywhere and also... I didn't manage to break the Outback rack yet! :)
Great review. I am sure that it will upset the Mosko ‘my bag is better than yours’ gang. I have the outback Mototrek asymmetrical pannier frames and rear rack. I attach kriega os22 to the exhaust side and os32 on the narrower side. Very narrow option. Using lone rider overlander 48 (great bit of kit) across the top. Topped up 2 x kriega os6 on the outback Mototrek crash bars and mosko Moto Nomax (new version of the nomad). 118 litres. Ride safe.
The fun thing is... for the "weekend warrior" the Reckless is probably super useful and I'd almost say designed. There is nothing wrong being weekend warrior, not many people do/can travel long distances/periods of time and for them the modularity and the looks of Reckless probably makes the sense.
For living on the road, and me it does not.
I see Kriega OS32/22 more and more. I assume great piece of kit as usually. I can't put anything on the crashbars that would be killed in an instant. I tried and destroyed everything so those 12L is off limits despite I'd love to have some weight in the front.
118L is good amount of volume.
@@FARANDFURTHER Thanks for that. I'm a weekend warrior, or maybe a 2 week tourist. I'm encouraged you think the system I bought is built for me. When I do big trips, I do use racks and big, soft panniers. Also, on the 701, I've got to be careful how much goes on the rack without pannier frames.
I favor the Enduristan Blizzard XL (they weigh 2.16 kg a pair!) sidebags plus a 50 liter bag roll with Rock Straps 1400. A lot less weight, 84-90 Liters of volume in total. A light tail rack from Altrider without rails works perfect for strapping everything down. The main horizontal straps of the Blizzard can be installed UNDER the rally seat. Thus they can not be stolen easily. And there is no need for an exhaust plate or side rack, because of the form of the sidebags leading to the front. Total costs about 700 Euros. All in all I should be below 10 kgs with a narrow profile. Greetings!
Looks like good solution as well. Well done! They are incredibly light that’s impressive 👍
@@FARANDFURTHER Thank you for your comment. Greetings from Germany!
Very nice and informative.
I just ordered the Enduristan R2P kit.
All bags including tank bag is total of 4.13 kg, not bad.
But might add a minemal rear rack for better attachment and strapping possibility’s
That is an incredible weight! I’m making follow up video featuring the Turkana Gear HippoHips which I’ll be running now.
For some reason I need about 100L volume for my stuff on the long distance trips which means saddle bags + the duffle.
I’m quite curious how the Turkana will hold up.
And as for rack… as mine is customized for the Rotopax and I need the range it is rack for me for long time I think.
@@FARANDFURTHER I got a Atelier Arnold rack, but would have liked to have the minimal of the same rack.
The Enduristan kit is just L blizzards, M tornado 2 and a sandman 4H. So way to small for you 😊 63L only. .
It will be enough for me, can always upgrade to larger tornado pack, or add a small one as well.
I imagine you probably don't travel with a carpet... :) Hehe The important is to be able to extend easily the setup. With rackless this is quite difficult with panniers and duffle it's doable.
Panniers from Turkana (and mosko) have the MOLE + you can strap something extra on top. And the duffle has MOLE as well + the bevertail in theory I could strap 20 - 40L more on my 100L. Usually this happens to me when I need a lot of food, fuel and water to carry.
@@FARANDFURTHER haha, a 12 man tent and full kitchen 🤣.
Haven’t done any serious traveling yet, but planning to do at least a 7 day trip this summer and a few shorter ones.
:) Man always needs to be ready for a unexpected company on the road... :) :)
One woman ideally (for that carpet is much more practical than carrying a chair... ), 12 men would get wild.... :) But you're right most of the volume is connected with "living" on the road rather than clothes or something like that.
Thanks for investing so much $ & real world testing to reach these conclusions & then sharing them clearly. No denying Mosko makes great kit, but it could fairly be said they’re almost over built & add considerable weight before they’re even loaded. Case in point the sufficient Wolfman units you cited. I’ve Mosko’s tank bag but went with Kreiga rackless for everything else & am not disappointed with any of it. Much lighter, very modular for different load sizes & just as durable as any other quality setup. Until that fails me, my T7 will remain rackless.
I'm really happy the video is useful. I did manage to sell most of the Mosko with reasonable loss :) I'm keeping the rack for a) rotopax b) grab points.
Kriega makes great kit indeed. As you say, there is no denying that Mosko kit is great but I think it needs to find the customer and really for overlanding it's too much luxury item. I also own Mosko tank bag (the Nomad) but I have to say I'm in very much love/hate relationship with it.
Same here, their Nomad. Again, it’s basically over built. As much bag weight as available space but it does keep everything sorted better than most other clutter bucket options.
I’ve gone with the CamelADV auxiliary tank for the extra fuel range so hope to remain rackless. The Ride ADV racks from Australia for panniers are also worth considering though.
I was considering the CamelADV aux tank but at the moment decided to stay with the rotopax and the rack. In terms of fuel, I find the Acerbis 22L tank quite interesting option. One does not need to fuel it up full all the time and it would be almost exact same volume as my rotopax + 16L.
I'd probably keep rotopax for insane 26L and that could be super useful for example crossing to Mauretania where one has 500km no fuel.
The larger main tank, either Acerbis or Safari, combined with a rotopax or camel aux would definitely provide some insane range. Nice to see more options now available for this bike as it continues to gain popularity.
Those larger main tanks might rule out use of a tank bag though. Or at least require a really small one. Boils down to what's more important I guess, range or cargo capacity
It is interesting point. I use 21 Brothers horse shoe shape bag ( it is like Giant Loop). It is easy to use but you have to open the whole bag every time when you need something. Summer 2021 I had a 10 days trip with cheap saddle bags (no racks) and 40l duffel bag. They did the job pretty well but at the end of the trip I saw some beginnings of braking the bag at the spots where they touched the bike.
Now I have a chance to buy almost new Mosko Moto Reckless 80l and your video just make me think if it is a right move….. I know that I have to use them in order to know that 😀
Hi, I never used 21 brothers or Giant loop but I can see most of the "rackless"/horse shoe bags having similar feedback you point out as well. Most of it is not about quality of the products but the use of it just as it was in my case with the Reckless.
The saddlebags needs to be good ones otherwise it will be nightmare. The mounting is important and the straps. It must be designed in such a way that the weight is spread over multiple points. If it has one main attachment it will fail. Turkana for example has 4 points on each bag, 1 large strap over the saddle from the top of the bags and 2 straps to the buckles over the saddle. That way a lot of weight is distributed. Similar approach took Wolfman and those bags lasted 80k km!
With Reckless... only experience will tell you... let me know how you like it.
I just ordered a 21 Brothers XL horse shoe bag and plan to use it for a 1+ month trip. I understand that I'd have to open the whole bag every time I need something but was planning on putting stuff I needed in my tank bag so I thought I would be OK. Other than having to open it every time, any other issues with the 21 Brothers Bag?
@@patrickshoniker3268 You just asked a question that brings a lot of pain to me 😁😁😁
Tho Bag is a good in general until the moment when you have a problem with some leaks. They stated that this bag is waterproof and they advise me not to buy their waterproof inner bags. On my trip the bag had a leakage. I sent the bag back to them for repair (paid a lot of money for that) then Poland custom hold the package for months. Because of the hood 21 Brothers decided to make me a new bag and their were so kind to add a flap on the bag (like Giant Loop bag). Of course I pay for that and I paid again for the delivery. I got the bag a month a go and I just discovered that one of the stitches was not “holding “ a section of the bag. With the same delivery I had their 30L bag. After my first use some of the stitches started falling apart.
Don’t get me wrong, the brand is good , the products are good it could be just a bad luck.
Go back to the bag, try to put all the heavy stuff at the bottom of the legs for well distributed weight. Put your light things on the top part. When I used the bag the hardest part was to find the perfect spot for my rain gear. I decided to get a net on top of the bag and to have my rain gear there. Not inside the bag. I can say it was a good move. The most difficult moment with this bag for me was when I had to set up my tent under a heave rain. I had to open the bag to pull out all the camping gear and those heavy stuff was on the bottom of the legs. It was not a pleasant experience. My advice, get waterproof inner bags to separate, organize and keep dry your stuff.
I am sure you didn’t expect such an answer but this is what happened to me. Good luck with the bag. Once again, it is a good product.
What a wonderful reply! I can feel loads of experience there... :)
I think this is the reason why most brands with the saddle bags include dry bags. I have tent at the top of the bag or in separate Mosko Tracker so I can just open that, setup the tent and everything else stays dry as I don't even need to open the main bags.
@@MotoPavilion I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.
I'll make sure to put all the heavy stuff at the bottom of the legs and will definitely get waterproof inner bags to separate.
everything.
Thanks again for sharing your experience.
I had a 1190 R KTM with the backcountry bags mounted on Jesse’s racks with a nomad tank and sold the bike keeping the nomad. I still wasn’t happy with the backcountry system and used the Jesse’s racks for Jesse’s aluminum cases which liked they just are not great on serious off-road tracks it was constantly worried about getting my foot caught under one of them in a tip over or a slide out situation. I bought the 890R and bought the Mosko Moto 80 reckless with a stinger 22. I’m not happy with it as stated in the video you’re limited to what you can stick inside of the tubular dry bags and the weight of the system for the amount of supplies I carry within them really isn’t fitting my adventure off-road riding style. Also own a KTM 300xc and a 500excf.
I’m gonna be selling my Mosko Moto set up and going with Wolfman or some of the other systems listed within these replies.
Hi, great video! I am not camping or overnighting. I am interested in a simple system of soft bags to safely carrying a tripod, large digital camera + lenses, and a moderate sized videocamera +lenses for daytime video/photo projects. My bike is a KTM 1090 R. Any suggestions? Thank you!
You can take entire R80 off the bike in a minute with a few straps to loose.
Tubular shape is harder to pack no doubt, I was looking R80 / OS32/ Blizzard XL but went for R80. Partly because I can take side fairing off from my 890 Adv R and that is even slimer and weight low down.
Hard to stay clean is very true lol!
Yes, that is one huge advantage of the R80 - ease of taking the whole system off. In this case it is clear winner for sure. If we ignore backcountry and hard panniers.
“For the Honda I have a slim rack” may I ask what rack do you use on your AT ?
Great vid by the way. Watched it twice bc of that !
Hi, thanks I'm very happy the video was useful. I have traveled on the Honda CB500X not on the Africa Twin. And on that CB500X I had simple SW-Motech rack, it was really small one which meant it ended just above exhaust and could be slim because of that.
I haven't understood all the rage over Mosko Moto gear. It looks nice and is well designed in a way, but is over engineered, heavy, and extremely expensive. I used to think Kreiga was expensive but Mosko Moto gear really takes the crown there. As for reckless systems, I have one (Kriega), but I'm a rack fan. Racks and panniers are often more versatile, don't necessarily have to add much more weight as you've pointed out, and the weight is held lower down. It's interesting that the rear rack for the T700 is so heavy (3kg). The one of my 890 is about 800 grams.
Yea, the price tag is high. On the other hand you do get their discount program when you crash it, which is quite unique. Also it's super well made so I can see the reason for the price.
If you need those things that's a different story.
My main beef with the reckless is how it packs, really.
Since I can’t stand side racks (when I’m not touring) and I don’t envision removing the dry bags (rather, take the entire apparatus into the lodging room at night) then it appears the Reckless would be an optimal choice. Thanks for the video.
Sure, that’s probably what it was designed to - maybe. It is quite quick to take out and put back on the bike.
Agree with your conclusions. How do you rate their Nomad tankbag?
Hi Hugo, I'm still using the Nomad so it must be OK. Mosko has now Nomax which solved the main issue I have with the Nomad and that's bottom filling of the water bladder which is just so much pain.
For T7 there is not many bags which would sit this lean and still be decent volume. However I can't really fit too much in it, it's for "travel/road crap", power banks, water & phones.
Bigger camera... forget it. But I used it as a backpack already few times. The beaver tail (flap thing) is useful occasionally.
Honestly, same bag but with just one compartment and water bladder compartment would be enough.
Durability in crashes=moskomoto, ease of removal or locking=moskomoto back country.
Exactly why I ditched my Mosko Moto gear :(((
Way too heavy for lightweight adventure riding. No point in having luggage which weighs nearly as much as the contents ⛺️
Yep. I take a lot anyway so I have a lot of weight. I mainly don't like how it's packed when it comes to Reckless.
Got rid of my R80. Dont like the weight distribution when packed. Any offroading the weight is way too high. With panniers and soft luggage i can get the weight much lower on my 1090. Night and day difference if riding offroad.
I do have similar experience.
Hello I was about to buy the reckless until I saw your video, I'm getting a little bit confused about how you reduced the width.
Did you keep the pannier racks symmetrical? If you reduced the width how much did you reduce it by? Which racks were they? And last but not least what was the final width with the panniers?
I´m using the Mosko Reckless 40L for shorter hotel trips, so i can pack everything into one 22L Stinger on the tail. ua-cam.com/video/mKnOCAHhl3o/v-deo.html
For camping or longer trips i take the 2 35L backcountrys and the 22L Stinger or another tailback. (The 40L duffleback is way to heavy...)
Backcountries are cool piece of kit but when you compare those weights against Turkana or Wolfman weight starts to be an issue. But I did like them a lot, I sold them because I didn't like how high they sit on the rack, they were above the seat and I didn't like that.
Difficult to trust someones opinion who mounts mounts fuel rotopacks to the furtherest point from the center of the bike center. All you need to have is a bar from left to right to mount the reckless which weights less than 300g if done properly.
True, however my main point of pain on it is not the weight. I’m really not front the “super light” family as I live on the bike.
The rotopax mounting is not to optimize anything else than putting it elsewhere than to the top as i tried it with rackless and it just impractical and bulky.
This way I can fuel it up without taking it off, it’s lower and hidden under the luggage effectively using a dead space.
Also it’s empty most of the times.
wolfman
Ain't the point of Reckless is to not have any rack and that's where the weight saving is?
I can’t see much of a weight saving if the Reckless weighs a similar amount as a rack
@@weifeng5958 do you mean same as rack or same as rack + panniers?
mosko moto is simply overpriced and full of unnecessary things
I still think it's a good product for someone who utilises its features and likes its Tactical look.
I paid 700 for the reckless 80. I think it’s a bargain. It works on my Ktm and my Honda.