WoW Is Actually F*cked..
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2024
- Blizzard let this happen. Get rid of ALL addons.
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It's more than the monthly subscription for WoW
Double the sub fee, in fact! All that money just to see players' make believe social credit scores without tabbing out of the game.
Add-ons other than those to help disabled people play the game should be 100% removed. Amazing Blizz lets people profit from their game while destroying it.
wow has been pay to win for a decade now
@@stevee8318 then ppl will use add-ons that were designed to help disabled ppl to enhance their gameplay
I literally couldn't care any less.
So glad I got away from that game, I laugh at those still addicted to it.
The real losers in this situation are the ones paying for this stuff. Who the fuck gets excited about a game where you need to prove yourself through parsing, anyway? Just play the game. It's not a job unless you're a sponsored competitive player.
What is parsing
This comment is about me, and I don't like it. 🥲
“Some of us play to parse that’s what makes the game fun for us . Don’t like it , don’t play it . Simple” - Classic neckbeard 38yr old Andy’s
Pver's man .... botton bashers to see who is the fastest botton basher....them being elitest against someone who bashes the botton slower than you 😅
‘Don’t u guys have money’, yes but not for dumb stuff out of pure principal.
As a dude who grew up playing Everquest, long before the malignancy of social media, MMOs were truly special. People just played the game and helped each other out. No guides, no maps, no wikis.
sounds great, wish i was old enough to experience that at the time 👍
@@nonanimeprofilepic it was really insane not having anything online on a quest, NPC location, and without maps you basically had to ask people for directions - the sense of community was incredible
TBF that was my experience in the original release of WoW itself too. There were no guide, were no maps, not even Thotbott was reliable right at the beginning, and it was wonderful to just have to read the quest and work it out.
Yeah but within a year all those things existed. lol Just like any game.
Also, every death was almost like playing a hardcore character. Not only did you lose hours worth of exp every death, but you had to run back to your corpse and if you didn't do it fast enough, your gear on your body despawned. Also that's a corpse run with no ghost form, all the mobs can see and hit you, and you're naked with no movespeed buff. So if you die deep in a dungeon that can mean several hours of corpse retrieval unless you get a necro to summon your corpse or something like that. IIRC there's no graveyards either, you get sent to where you're bound, aka EQ's version of hearthstone. And for non caster classes it's not easy or cheap to change your bind location (you don't simply talk to an Innkeeper, you have to pay a caster to do it, or there are expensive items that can do it), so that spawn location can be REALLY far away from where you're grinding, or you can basically just brick your character and it becomes impossible to get your body back in time. That can happen in raids too, and you can potentially lose YEARS worth of loot you've collected. Like imagine losing full Naxx BiS because your raid wiped lmao, that can happen in EQ.
So it created a lot of tension and adrenaline to be in dangerous situations in that game. And dangerous situation is basically any time you're fighting more than one mob since basically every normal mob outside starting zones is the equivalent of an elite in WoW and really intended to be done as a group. Like it's very common for normal mobs to have DoTs that do over 100% of your hp or harm touch you for most of your health in one swing.
Not a hard game mechanically but absolutely hardcore as fuck. If you liked classic/vanilla WoW you should give EQ a shot, because Vanilla copied a LOT of stuff from EQ. Stuff we take for granted as intrinsic to MMOs like the dps/healer/tank trinity, or cloth/leather/mail/plate armor classes, spell concepts like feign death, raids, mobs having a different color depending on their relative difficulty to you, casters being able to teleport people around, world bosses, all that came from EQ. WoW's innovations were things like not losing EXP on death, having ghost form to make corpse retrieval easier, and most importantly being able to actually solo on pretty much every class to max level, also instanced dungeons and raids was a huge innovation. Also QUESTS were huge. In EQ the only real "quests" are occasional class specific quests for gear and shit, most of your EXP you get from grinding mobs. Only certain classes can do that in EQ and it usually involves lots of kiting and/or pets/charm, because again every mob is basically an elite and not really intended for soloing. So the game forces you to be social in that way because you aren't going to get very far as pure solo unless you're playing specific classes and even then, that requires a lot of game knowledge to not die constantly.
My dad has been playing since vanilla.
he is 55 at the moment and he has always been raiding. and without jokes has almost always been top5 as a dps.
now he has a little less time to play. and is not getting in the raids anymore since they are not sure if he can do it.
for my whole life i have seen my dad raiding with joy and he cant seem to enter some now and he complains about it often.
i hate it so much
If you cant raid cause nobody want you, you should setup your own group / guild ... Work 100% :)
@@PyroBeubar people will abandon those types of groups on the first wipe
I wish I Still played Wow and was a good player so I could get your dad into raid once a week
@@mateosmose8020 happy to say he actually found a raiding guild with a bunch of older players(even 1 from his guild waaaaay back) i even went to pve with them after 4 years haha its been great
@@StConstatine that's awesome, i'm happy to hear it
Not being invited to public raids because your parses aren't good enough is the same energy as not being able to get an entry level job because you don't have enough work experience
edit: Everyone keeps telling me that i should make my own pugs, but that's what i'm referring to, it was my experience in WoTLK Classic. What i am stating is that we advertised our runs as beginner friendly. However, after the group forms at the allotted time and we are all summoned into naxx (the easiest godamn raid of my life) people would then either leave without saying anything, or freak out and leave before we could even say anything, because the dude standing next to them was at 85th percentile and not 99, which is ridiculous. The raid is easy af, one of the achievements is clearing it with less people so why would you care that someone else is doing slightly less than optimum dps, and how can people be expected to improve and get better when according to these people, shouldn't even be welcomed to beginner raids.
I am commenting on the experience I had as a guild leader and forming my own groups and the many people I had to come across when pugging spots, I have little to no experience with joining other raids during that time as I rarely did, and I when I did, I was a tank so my dps didn't even matter.
I just wanted to make a comment about something that is marginally similar and shouldn't be taken with such seriousness.
I apologise for commenting on an Asmongold video clearly it was a mistake and caused many a great grievance I will refrain from doing so in future
that’s what i’m fucking saying
Well... That was my 17 to 25 years when i stopped trying and started selling shit by myself.
Yo only end game raids should have minimum parse dps because of good reasons
You can always gost your own raids, ifs understandable that someone who doesnt know you dont want a grey and green parser when they could get a orange parser
@@davidejlertsen5577Then get guildies to help you, if you're asking in LFG, then its first come first serve, unless the player is wayyy under geared for the fight etc
My mind was blown in classic when our 'best' healing priest was held in high regards because of his parses and the reason he has such high parses was because they made a warlock group for him to aoe healing on spam life taps and standing in mechanics during boss fights... this was actually seen as a feat.
It's a feat of some kind, for sure
Peak emergent gameplay?
People taking advantage of how mechanics works is mindblowing?
@@TheZeagonusing parses is rarted and you're rarted for being unable to see why.
@@TheZeagon and others holding him in high regards because of it when all he did was abuse that mechanic.
i think that was the mind blowing part since best was in quotes
Bro applying for a raid is basicly the same as applying for a job now a days, crazy!
You need 4 lockouts of raid experience, 3 solid references and orange parse or above to qualify.
Easier to find a job.
Become the gate keeper and make your own group. Invite all these people in the comments complaining.
it's not. make your own groups. i've brought 4 fresh characters to 500+ ilvl in dungeons and raid the last 2 weeks without achieves, score or parses. Anyone saying it's hard are probably 1 dps out of 70+ applicants for any group while refusing to form their own.
real problem with parsing is that it's only one tier up from linking an achievement that you beat said boss before...
banning addons, parsing would also have to include achievements.
@@torgrimhanssen5100 they are basically arguing for LFR, which was tried already and everyone said it killed player interaction.
This is like the social credit score of WoW, being constantly and automatically monitored so your performance can be quantified in a simple numerical value that genuinly affects your experience in the game is actually crazy.
sounds like my job
It's not that deep.
wow is just a big social experiment, change my mind. lol
@@tjerk9023pretty close
The moment I switched to casual, exploring and focusing on open-world, was a moment in SoD Phase 1 when a dude asked me and rest of party about gearscore for fucking deadmines dunegon. Fuck this shit, no raids or dunegon are worth it to deal with such special type of people.
Considering Blizz has built the end game around raids and dungeons. That seems like a major problem.
I don't blame you, I would've done the same thing.
I have no words for that much ignorance and stupidity...
Hopefully you can just ignore those players as they are but a few at lower levels and look for more reasonable people.
I quit WoW is SoD phase 2 when everyone basically wanted my whole life on paper. I found some random guy and gave him all my gold and canceled my sub and uninstalled bnet😂
For Deadmines! XD
And water is wet
And the sky is blue.
water is not wet stop saying this
fire is hot
People who say water is wet 🤡
People who say water is dry 🗿
@@Aloverofthefinerartzsorry, will not comply
We used to have a priest in classic that would consistently stand in fire and spam heal himself to get top healer parse. The guy would throw a shit fit every time he didn't get gear and was generally miserable to play with.
Yeah for some reason people who tryhard parses feel they should get gear before non-parsers, because it matters more for them?
But thats a load of bs
And people wonder why the game never again reached the popularity it had from vanilla to Wrath.
the beginning of the end was the creation of the addon "Gearscore".
It’s 20 years old not like it’s gonna be back in its prime
It’s still pretty popular
It hurts realizing that when it comes to gaming now, there's always a catch, and there's always something wanting more money out of you...
This is what you get for doing business with public companies that have a duty to wring every penny out of a game for the shareholders.
There are shitloads of indie devs making great games that might be a little less polished than AAA titles, but they don’t financially buttfuck you for the privilege of playing the game. If you don’t like what the mainstream studios are giving you, stop giving them your money. Problem solved.
piracy is the answer
@@Charlesbabbage2209 Your excuse doesn't make what they're doing here right. You made a point of not putting that in your comment, but what they're doing here is disgusting.
The issue is almost always with companies that are publicly traded. Stay away from overhyped triple AAA garbage from giant developers and you'll find there are still numerous great games with clear cut transactional value.
PLAY FF14 and you are saved
Everyone who has this add on should have a permanent “Sweaty” title at all times.
I like to be sweaty and do my best, I still give people without good parses a chance. It's not about being sweaty, it's about being toxic, and lazy, and stupid. You can just head to Warcraftlogs and look for yourself, and look at relevant context information. If all you do is look at the big number on top, you are missing out on some great players.
@@holysecret2dude you are the toxic one, let people learn to play the game.
If you play an online game you should be open to the fact you might lose because of someone else.
Forcing all new players to just use guides for everything is why the game is dying
@@holysecret2I think sweaty and being good at a game is misconstrued, you can be good at a game without falling under the “sweaty” umbrella so to speak, you’re good at the game and understand the game, but at the end of the day your main priority is having fun over everything else. Where as people who are true “sweats” prioritize the best gear, the best raid times, or the best whatever it is in the game they play, over actually enjoying their experience.
@@kreenbopulusmichael7205This is a good point, you have to accept the fact that you’ll lose due to others mistakes.
permaBAN their blizzard account, fuck um
100% blizzard should ban addons, integrate the stuff needed and just ban the addons. This is the reason me and many other people have stopped wow, addons are just trash
Yes and no, I saw a video lately about a blind guy playing wow cause he had addons that made it possible for him to still enjoy the game in his way. if those are banned than its impossible for people with a disability to play the game. Maybe just ban cerain things, but not everything imo.
@@Coekieboy still addons shouldn’t tell you what cds the other person have especially in pvp. If I don’t have legs I won’t sign up for a race competition if you know what I mean. Blizzard can work on their accessibility for those purposes but let’s be honest games on such level aren’t meant for blind people, same ways as road signs aren’t.
I play on and off, but I have noticed that Blizz started to implement popular addon functions into the game. We might be going in the direction where when they reach good degree of accessibility from in-game UI features, they might as well disable addons completely. I don't mind.
Sod players became pathetic tbh
Its the natural evolution of a collaboration based game.
sod players are the last remaining dads giving their old favorite game title coping their game is good when its riddled with bots and non existent ingame support
@@jackmango5603 )yes sadly, the entire sod content can easily be cleared with just recount addon, i don't know why any of this is needed, i mean for the devs of the addon they're smart because they are gonna make some money but man, what kind of dumbass will buy that.
I am not pathetic :(
@@barrelz8646recount though?
What a terrible example lol
An addon that is against TOS is priced more than the subscription for the game that said addon is for. What a great time to play mmorpg's lol.
it is, you just need to play a real game. Blizzard is a corpse. Wow is dead and shit and will get worse. Try a real mmorpg. try ffxiv.
Question is where are we as a human race when people pay for it? Seriously?
Why?
@@absolutefolly2011 Wrath of the Lich King has taught me when a game has reached its natural conclusion, its time to move onto something new. Trying to spin narratives on an already concluded story just leads to contrivances, obvious spoilers to new players, and a downstream line of mediocrity all the way to shit (Cough cough cataclysm). FFXIV story is by far the best story in an mmorpg i have ever played but Cataclysm has taught me to temper expectations for new narratives in an MMO.
This addon was already banned, like 2 months ago. Asmon is just super late to this.
@@dfcd1432 It's either going live today, or it's already gone live. I see no indication this addon is, or ever was banned
I remember when i first started playing wow how weirded out i was by addons. Surprised how normalized it is in the wow community to the point where suggesting to remove them pisses ppl off lol
"It's just cosmetic horse armor bro... calm down... It's not a big deal."
...and now we are here.
Fun Fact: The very first player run business in an MMO was a Brothel started in Ultima Online.
Players when leveling: "I don't want to be in the spotlight or some main character"
Players when raiding: "Why are you not in the top ten percentile?"
Different group of players.
they dont want to be the main character in the story, but they are the main character in their head.
When i led a guild and we raided heroic progress back when it was the top dificulty, the most performance obsessed candidates for the raid team were usually teens who were bad at the game.
This is why I am apart of a guild called "Old Folks Home" in classic. They are all just casually trying to enjoy the game and understand what life is.
What realm are you all on? And can I join?
I'm a developer who frequently works with professional-level APIs. For my applications to go public, they need to undergo a review process by the company to ensure compliance with their TOS. Until approval, my access is restricted to only about 10 users for testing purposes. A good example of such an API is Spotify. Setting this system up would not be easy for Blizzard, but it's definitely achievable, if they wanted to implement this.
Early during phase 2 my friend and I had to pug, and our first Gnomer run was a pretty smooth 5/6 before people ran out of time.
The following week we were suddenly getting denied from pugs, and only one guy was even willing to tell us the problem: We both had a 0 parse on Electrocutioner 6000. Accused us of AFKing during the encounter. I was one of the two healers, so anyone who's done the raid will know that makes no goddamn sense. Looked up a few people I remembered from that run, they also had 0's on that fight. Whoever uploaded the log totally botched it.
For WEEKS we were getting rejected over and over and over, and anybody who wasn't checking logs put together a crappy group that couldn't even get past Crowd Pummeler. Didn't matter we looked great for the rest of the bosses, that one parse was a stain from then on.
Absolutely awful system.
Now you can be like Frieza and his boys and read the power level of BullCosby the tauren druid
And just like DB, power levels are bull shit.
WoW players are like Frieza Grunts and don't think for themselves though.
TONKA
Parsing in SoD is the definition of cringe. I'm in a literal dad guild of casuals and normies and we went 5/8 in temple the first weekend pre-nerf, now doing 2-hour 8/8 clears weekly. The level 50 raid content is 95% auto attack content. The only reason you care about parsing is because you're socially inept and don't understand how easy it is to ask somebody for a guild invite, join a raid team, and simply show up and press buttons. I pity anyone who cares about parsing in SoD.
The fact you think it's 95% auto attack content explains why it takes you 2 hours to clear the raid.
@@FisherTheOtter 2 hours for casuals and normies, yes. We have kids. We need to pee. We need to afk for various reasons. BUt we get the content done and we have a good time doing it. Go back under your rock, zoomer. And don't forget to buy that parsing addon.
@@FisherTheOtterthe ridiculousness of this sentiment is laughable.
My small casual guild all quit phase 3 . I haven't played in a few weeks nor have I ran ST. Do you have a raid spot for a ret ?
@@JonRodGod Nah we're horde lol
Most MMO have a parsing system and it's the same issue everywhere. Gatekeeping mid skilled player or just player that havn't done the raid yet from doing it. It's litterally the joke about your employer wanting you to have 10 years of experience on your first job. Thats stupid
The people that parse Season of Discovery have categorically never achieved anything in their lives. Like.... holy fuck this is sad.
Yep
Can you imagine a new player trying to sign up for a dungeon and they are told that their parses are too low ?
that literally happens all the time as it is. some people are actually scummy enough to look up your parses even for dungeon content.
i kind of understand it when it comes to raids because you get 1 ID per week, and if someone fucks it, you're not getting it done until next week at the earliest... but dungeons are literally available around the clock, 24/7.
@@ZugzugZugzugsonthis is a big part of it
Played for for years and years since vanilla, quit for like 5-6 years, and come back to "parses this and that" and a ton of other data to even join for dungeons with some people. Was like a job interview. I played SoD phase 1 and was done. What a shit community. I knew it was gonna get worse with the consecutive phases. Smh
I mean this happens constantly. I dunno why the Classic players pretend to be so outraged and that this is a "retail thing" when my server chats were always people wanting to only be the absolute best gear you can be at any given level. Even for something as ridiculously easy as SFK I had people demanding to check my gear and asking for experience and glitch tactics. If you were new/didn't know or you had 1 piece off the absolute best pre-SFK gear, you were not invited over half the time. Not even willing to teach new players is crossing the line to me. Like people in this game are so obsessed with their perfect runs and the absolute disdain for anyone who isn't as "good" as they are in their eyes.
I personally knew one such person irl who was sniffing his own gases so much and nobody in the guild liked him, and he's like a perfect representation of 60-70% of randoms I meet in LFG. Just absolute self-loving fart sniffers with egos and pretending like their 99 parses mean something for this dogsh*t easy content and talking down to others all the time as if they're the authority on how the game should be played. He has left the guild since because we clowned on him one run when he wouldn't stop running his mouth to the recruits, for the 20th or so time. This has been my classic experience both when Classic launched and now with SoD, it was all the same. I keep seeing classic players pretend like they play Classic for fun and that retail is toxic but my impression of Classic players has always been "Sweaty tryhard with 0 patience". I'm sure others have experienced this too, my servers can't be the only ones with this behavior because my friends have the same thoughts.
It's a game-wide issue regardless of expansion imho. You can even see the one comment at the start of this vid talking about how this is retail players infesting classic but Classic has always been like this. Thoughts?
Im not a new player i playd legion and bfa
And now i play pre patch cata
Everytime i get into a jungle and dont perform like im a sodapoppin they always rage
Im lvl 52 now have no lvl gear cause i dont have an max lvl
But id rather stick to quests and random bg then playing with 4 people in a group cause they often just get mad in lvl 50 dungeons.
Cant imagine how it will be with 80.
Blizzard: "Let's create an LLC and create a bunch of different add-ons under this sub company's name and charge 25$ a month and act like we're ignoring it and are unaware of it. Profit!"
Nah, that's absolutely 1000% not the case, that's next level conspiracy when in reality, they've just not cared to keep a cap on these things like they should have due to a total lack of employees that enjoy the game for what it really is.
I'm now imagining Blizzard making a kind of Creation Club for addons now.
i 100% think they did with diablo 4 at launch. Like day one there were advertisements in game selling gold via gamechats and a seemingly unlimited amount of player accounts selling gold via messages that i blocked every couple hours and yet they continued.
@@LewisDM I'm a 1000% convinced the gold sellers are Blizzard employees or old Blizzard employees
hey we got some inspector gadget here cause thats what you are
A amateur detective with BS theory that make no sense and no different at all
Even when its blizzard
Its the same logic
People buy it = Theres more of it
If you all would just stop support blizzard or this addons you could actually change something
No
For 10 years now the wow community is crying like annoying
But yet you all paid your membership, the new addon / addons
You all buy that stuff but then act as a cool inspector gadget in comments.
I make it easy for you
Dont buy it then it stop cause if nobody buy it they dont make money so it stop
If you all buy it dont cry if there comes more cause you all cry for 10 years now
But all your wallets tell : " Yeah we want that " Cause all of you still pay your membership
Parse addons have made hardcore FFXIV groups toxic too. It's a system that encourages elitism in group settings.
Playing alone it's cool to see what you can improve as a person but it just isnt used that way.
Wow is so good to play right now, I can’t imagine being one of those NPC who complains about the game 24/7 and can’t play because they have been following these UA-camrs who profit from hating on blizzard for so long that they forgot to enjoy the game actually.
I think the worst thing about logging is that it records all your actions without consent. You cant relax in any dungeon or raid anymore because someone is harvesting all your keyboard inputs and uploaing it to a ranking wesbite
Also it doesn't show the how or why. I've died a few times where someone else did a mechanic wrong and got me killed and I ended with a bad parse because of it.
You can go to Warcraft logs and make all logs uploaded for your character be private/hidden automatically.
literally creates a chilling effect
@@juliannowak5696 I mean its a game. If it's affecting you that much... you gotta actually go outside sometime and try to be as normal of a dude as possible. Hard, yes I know.
@@MB-go6uy lol coincidently I have not played any since a month of wotlk in december… it was aids and reminded me exactly how much of a waste of time gaming in any public matchmaking is these days (feels like nobody there is trying to make friends outside of grinding a game anymore)
Parsing sucks for healers. Before healers would throw in some damage to help the dps on a boss but if a healer presses a damage button now their healing parse gets destroyed.
that sounds like a calculation issue. the real metric for performance should be how many people are still alive at the end of the fucking activity lmao
You're completely wrong on this. Before parses, healers would AFK during zero damage to restore mana and the fights would take 2-3x as long because everyone does shitty damage.
I would do dps and laugh when the data nerd got upset. I’d just say in the mic, mmhmmm. Then, I’d do it again right away.
@@CurieBohr then next week when u look for a group you'll have to settle for a crappy group cuz the good ones wont take u since ur parse sucks.
meanwhile in ff both my cohealer and I can go entire fights without a single healing gcd and if either of us didn't get a 99 then something atrocious happened to the group lmao
I remember playing tbc and we were progress raiding serpantshrine.. one shot most bosses then struggled on one where we wiped around 6 times.. called it a night, then lost half our team less than a week later because team parses weren't high enough for certain players and ultimately killed the guild.. such a shame they were really cool people until that shit.
Addons became a huge problem in Cata for me. I'd get denied from groups because I'd get asked my gear score and I'd say "idk i dont have that addon". Then in dungeons I'd get kicked because my DPS was on the bottom of the charts. Id respond "dude I'm doing the mechanics..." It was pvp from there on and then eventually quit
Well you should be about mid when dpsing and doing the mechanics but yea, this game has no future. Better play something else, wow isnt a mmorpg anymore anyway
“your good at a video game, he has a job and a family so i dunno whose the winner here?” gave me a good laugh.
to be honest is sad coming from an old man. Its the circle of life. He is old enough to say that now. Even if his argument is right, using that kinda of sentence, yikes, I think he ready to retire as blizzard is
But is he though? Parsing on a scripted fight with a 2-3 button rotation really that skillfull?
@@l.ic.o 99% certainly are not failing. If your talking about mythic most people worth oxygen do not have the time for something so trivial.
I thought This was sod though and if you think your elite at all because of a sod parse then I know the reason why you don't pvp for competition instead. Your bad.
@@antiassetit's not even a hour of your week why do people care how others do it lmao. Looks like people spend more time worrying how others play a 20 year old game then the time it takes to finish your weekly task
ITT people that can not spell 'you are' as 'you're'.
my favorite is add fights where no one kills adds because the magic internet thingy doesn't recognize that on the ol arbitrary number
the thingy COULD recognize it. the idiots in charge of the parserules deliberately designed it so it ignores it, because they consider it "padding".
so yeah, thanks to these omega geniuses, the meta right now is "ignore mechanics, hit boss" and actively trying to do the encounter correctly will actually punish you.
brilliant, i know.
@@ZugzugZugzugson you mean like those guys who made gearscore, adding something that reduced your score if it detected you had a sparkle pony simply because they didnt like it.
@@Shiirow That's both hilarious and sad at the same time.
Nerds lmao
Many add-ons absolutely are a cancer to the game. I remember hopping on Kronos (post-Nostalrius, pre-Classic) and learning that I was at a huge disadvantage in PvP (especially when stealthing as a Druid) without using that Spy addon that alerts people when I get close to them, or likewise alerts me when a stealthed player gets close to me. What an absolute dogs**t addition to the game that has been widely accepted as essential.
Hate the pre patch where we can no longer "all tag" mobs , took a group of my hordies to move past the kill 3 dreams quest .
It will just get worse and worse, until Blizzard actually does something about it. Players will always min max fun out of games if developers allow it.
blizzard wont. blizzard is dead. wow is dead. stop coping. uninstall.
That's pretty much unavoidable for most if not all games. There will always be people who optimise every little thing they do in the game. Just surround yourself with people who actually play for the sake of playing. Plenty still around.
@@AriinPHD 🙏
Do you not remember the Gearscore addon from original Wrath? How can you people be this oblivious?
"If given the opertunity players will always optimize the fun out of a game"
Blizzard doesnt care about any of the Classic products, including SoD. The devs working at Blizz now are pissed that so many people prefer Classic to their new "modern audience" version. They reluctantly gave us Classic AFTER they shut down the Nostalrius private server and told us "you think you do, but you dont."
So many? How many are we talking about where do you see how many prefer classic?
@@Rushgarroth I personally find a lot more people on retail than SoD, but anecdotal evidence doesn't mean that's the case.
I mean, I prefer actual classic up until wrath. Cata classic, doesn't fucking count lol. And is litteraly the reason why I wanted classic in the first place.
but he was right. you think you do, but you don't.
people were saying for years how great classic was for it's "sense of adverture", simplicity, bla, bla, bla, etc... then it came out, and got flooded with same problems and toxicity.
the reality is that players are the main wow problem, retail or classic.
people don't care about the gameplay, story, socializing or anything else that makes a good game, they don't even care about rewards really... they only care obout their numbers on the 3rd party site. it's just ridiculous. it's not even minmaxing anymore it's on the whole different level.
Blizzard can't do anything about it. the real question is... do YOU care about classic? if people cared about the game they would create groups for new players. cause no new player = dead game. but instead they've decided to be part of the problem. every single persons plays with damage meters / questies etc. and demand the same from noobs - fast levelling, good parses etc.
Retail beats classic in any metric. Stop coping.
I've been loving wow for the past 9 months and having nothing but fun with it, playing with positive people who aren't toxic and logging in daily.
I love these type of people that just have to get mad because they have to justify their existence of playing video games all day... Brother, if you don't enjoy a game just pick up another one.
I remember method dungeon tools tried this, someone made baby dungeon tools which was the same thing, and method dungeon tools had to go free after that lmao.
its not even the fact that it requires a monthly fee, the addon is like a mini social credit score that will rot the community from the inside out, making the entire game as whole worse.
It's really hard for blizzard to ban stuff like this considering they are a small indie company and don't have the resources.
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That's what happens when you have crazy people running the asylum!
Our SOD guild is breaking down because of parses. People are mad because not everyone is getting songflower, ST buff and DMF stacked to 99 parse everything down.
It's frustrating for people that put in the effort and gold to actually clear the content in a timely manner.
Expecting people to bring world buffs has less to do with parses and more to do with clearing the raid in under an hour versus spending 3 hours wiping.
@@chrisjparke u dont wipe because u dont have worldbuffs, maybe in the first 2 weeks sure, everything else is just "man i dont want to play the game for longer than 1 hour so i collect wb for 2 hours before the raid so i have to play the game less" what a big brain move
The best part is that Blizzard actually advertises archon gg during the AWC.
The funniest part is SoD is a joke and was never meant to be serious. This is like that episode of Malcom in the Middle where Hal gets into power walking and buys the designer track suit and shoes and 500 dollar helmet. Imagine going to a Chess World Championship and off to the side there's a table of checkers players screaming and cussing at each other and acting elitist as if they're playing the most intellectually advanced game ever created and everything is at stake. This is the same exact vibe.
yea it's basically a Beta for Wow Classic Plus
Lmfao well said
These greedy shits will be the end of modding. I’ve seen it from valve with custom games in Dota
nah... its common in other games. They essentially charge for early access and then early releases when it comes to updates. Pay $25 or wait 3 months to have the exact same thing.
meanwhile in bethesda whe dont fix our games let mods do it for us😂
Tell me you know nothing, this is formatting publicly available information...
ye its very common in other games for decades. having games with ultra realistic graphics or "car mods" (stolen & copyrighted ones) hidden behind a paywall & they call it "early access" if ur lucky but in reality they never release it for free & stay early access & abandon it
edit: my point below isn’t relevant because paid mods are against the ToS. I didn’t realize that at the time of writing.
If you think their work isn’t worth the money they’re asking for it then
1. Don’t use it
2. Make your own (will cost you way more in time/money)
3. Hire someone to make you one (will cost you way more)
If you think there should be a free of charge / open source one, make it yourself. Expecting other people to work for you for free is peak entitlement.
I'll never agree with this take but I fully understand it. I've raided at a high level for a long time and honestly parsing has just made life easier as someone who recruits for a guild. I don't wanna game with the average shitter, the average dad, the average woman, the average casual. I wanna game with people who have a burning desire to push their character to the limit and be rewarded for their passion and progression. Also parsing makes loot distribution easier. I can spreadsheet how the loot dispersion will be on thatsmybis to the whole guild before we even step foot in the raid and show every1 who gets what first second and third etc based purely off skill. The only time this ever gets deviated from is if sum1 has no shows on raid day or are late etc. Every1 wants to complain about this kind of stuff until ur 3 or 4 hrs deep into a raid wondering where your weak links are and the realization sets in that this week you won't be downing the final boss of the raid.
I’ve always just enjoyed playing the game at my own speed, hitting mythic and gradually gearing up to be strong enough for Mraids.
I hope this game never dies.
I remember when I first started playing WoW and was flabbergasted when my friends told me I would need to download 3rd party programs to play the game effectively. It's ridiculous as a base concept, and it's only ever going to get worse until it's all removed.
It's always been like that, but at least back in the day it was more a matter of you needed it for information. Early WoW was very... unclear in a lot of areas through no other reason than the interface and information that came with it was bad.
@@ASNS117Zero Don't know how early you're talking about, but I joined up in mid-Legion. At that point, I needed an addon just to manage my addons.
@@I2dios8 I'm talking original vanilla.
Its not a base concept the player made this concept up.
People didnt just want have fun they wanted winning
So they needed programs that help them with stuff that they cant track all the same time
And over the years suddenly you need 15 of those
Its not blizzard or wow who does it
Its the playerbase
If there was never a playerbase who invented all those
Nobody would use them
And before you didnt needed them
So theres no reason to say you need them
Cause if nobody has one
Then nobody need one against one another.
But then you need to learn actually learn boss mechanics and cant just rely on a addon like dbm
Well people dont wanna put work into a raid they rather wanna do the raid and see the loot they got
Its the playerbase who does destroy this game
a lot of game needs/have mods/addon though WoW,Skyrim(besthada games in general),The Witcher 3/Cyberpunk 2077, Elden ring, almost all mmorpgs,minecraft i don't get why it's ridiculous if it's made to help some people or to add content to something and tbh in a lot of cases EVEN with addons a lot of people still fail a lot so imagine without lmao
Have to pay for it? Blizzard should break it and ban it
They should ban it and then release their own version that would only be available for premium subscribers. 👍
They dont need to if you all just dont buy it they dont make money and have to put it down
Meaning if they dont put it down you all are buying it meaning why should they take it down
You all support it with your buying
Blizzard taking it down dont will change anything
If not the playerbase change
@@l.ic.o They can forbid addons to make querys to non blizzard servers.
@@l.ic.o What the hell do you think paying for an addon is? You are literally paying for this addon because the developer put it behind a paywall that can only be accessed via paying money. And the code is not public. Which is another violation.
people have been paying for restedexp for years
Well, XIV has logs and add ons, and we don't have this issue really, I mean, unless you want to specifically make/join a speedrun static (if they even exist, probably somewhere). I think a big part of it is that getting into a raid is convenient. We group, we queue, we pull. When I applied to my static (blind, MINE savage from ARR), the leader interviewed me, asked me about my gaming experience, a bit about me, etc. and said "OK, see you this evening." I had no real previous savage experience, and only ARR extreme clears from duty finder with no logs so I couldn't even prove that I did them synced. I didn't suck, so I stayed; it was that simple. Why doesn't this work in WoW? Because it can take many many pulls to figure out if someone is just not used to the fight and still learning, or if they are genuinely not good enough, and it takes so god damn long in WoW between a wipe and the next pull.
Biggest issue on WoW is the Raid ID ... If you can do like in FF14 (1 boss = 1 ID, once you loot it, you can still do it but cant get loot), players will not act like that .... The game design is think for 2005, where most of ppl didnt do pug group, but guild group. Now we see ppl without guild playing the game and raiding every week, that wouldnt be possible in 2005 ...
This is why some mechanic (like how raid ID work) should change ....
I remember when Addons were just great ways to customize and improve the UI and such. I had an Addon to combine all my bags, AtlasLoot, I had Bartender because the classic WoW ability bar hurt my brain, and I had a roleplay addon because I was on an RP server. That was basically it. Seems like things have gotten... out of hand, since then...
WoW will never ban addons. They'd have to actually pay money for R&D for interface development. Addons has given them free concepts that work due to recognizing popularity of addons, and then implementing them into the default interface over the years. They use it as free development.
Pretty much. Besides Details which I only have because I'm curious, pretty much all of my addons are quality of life. Inventory improvement, collection tabs improvement, UI improvement. Oh, and a nameplate addon since I have trouble reading the default. It's all stuff that fixes lazy, stupid, or broken design choices, but it does suck that I felt the need to have all these just to have a comfy experience interacting with a game I don't even raid in.
And you'd think that'd amount to not many addons, and sure, it's less mods than I play Fallout with, but it's still more than should be necessary tbh :/
You know they added a new UI literally in the previous expansion that you can do almost anything you can do with addons with the exception of debuffs, and that even more improvements are being made in the next expansion, right?
It amazes me that people make this claim without even looking into the facts of the situation.
Best part is in current SOD raid ST. All the adds on the bosses don't count to your parse so you're encouraged to only tunnel boss. Having to wipe so we lose world buffs so people can no longer parse just so people will kill adds hurts the brain.
Blizzard shouldn't ban all addons. They should ban sweat addons for sure, but they shouldn't ban Listener (adds music and instruments) typer (adds a cool typing sign when someone is writing) and totalrp wich is funny. "Ban all addons" is extreme.
The thing that makes wow good are the custom ability that come from addons. No addons takes away about 80% of what makes wow a fun good game
That's literally the Rested XP Guide addon. Only works up to level 20 then you gotta buy it (unless you have friends who will share the "stolen" version.)
there is a reason that yelling at other players in FFXIV for doing low damage gets you banned
Sure. You don't yell, you just leave group silently. And that bad player dont even understood that he was the cause for this.
Yelling? Mate you can't even give constructive criticism within that massive snowflake community, it's the purest example of fake-ass toxic positivity we have in video game communities right now and I've stopped interacting with anyone outside my static because of it.
I don't care if someone's bad, but I'm a player too, and it's messed up that a bad player is allowed to waste everyone's time in a max level roulette with no consequences, while an even somewhat remotely competent player is not allowed to criticize them or ask them to pick up the pace without fear of being punished by the babysitting GMs for it.
Yeah ive noticed this aswell WoW players or former WoW are 1 of the most disgusting thing in the online scène... mainly due to the fact they love talking shit about others while Fan-Boying Blizz's behaviour
@@xe3nn110 its not really nonsense, everytime i tried to give advice i've been told "you dont pay their sub, they're learning, stop policing others gameplay" when all i did was simply tell the whm in a 90 dungeon "hey, cure 1 is not worth doing, freecure is kind of a trap and its better to swap to cure 2". also i dont know why you drag WoW players into this..? you act like the WoW exodus destroyed the "purity" of the ff xiv community and that there were never any toxic players before that.
@@margarinesnatchertouch grass
Blizzard doesn't care and won't do anything, been this way since 2004
Like any commercial entity since the invention of commerce, who saw that comming.
They'll say you're paying for the patreon and the add on is a "free perk". And then wink. Lawyer battle incoming
I think I'll just spend 15 minutes on Google and pirate the add on just like I did for RXP 😂
Feels like when gearscore came out lmao
Except you didn't have to pay to use gearscore lol.
@@qunt100 Yeah, I hated it - but it was free. It was also hilarious to cheese it. "Sure, I can meet that gear score & DD this raid!" (Half my gear to reach the obscene score desired for an entry level raid was tank gear...)
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 If you supplement the other half well (like some crit and attack power) it can be to your advantage because i remember tank gear having really good base damage (requires min/max to an extreme level). Tanks get held back really hard in the crit department which is a must have for dps. Just swing for off tank and don't elaborate.
First it was GS, next it was mandatory achievement linking, now it's mandatory parsing data.
This addon is borderline breach of player privacy...
How? Isn't it all public information?
@@Juhnu Yes, it's all public information, it's just being formatted by the addon, the ones who get the free ride (grey parsers) will be mad about anything that calls them out
@@Xylexis95
We are speaking about a 20 years old GAME with dated mechanics where you can fuck around and still do well, in a version of it that will last less than 1 year.... Maybe toxic players should calm down. I would also feel very stupid for purchasing an add-on that basically costs more than the monthly subscription and is limited in time.
@@Juhnui don't understand this 'public information' mindset. Just because something is public information does not make it okay to collect that information and distribute it to those that pay for it.
If you think this addon is fine then I'm sure you're completely fine with Google, Facebook, and all these other companies selling your information. Because technically that information is public and easily available for anyone to find
@@Xylexis95 Calm down big guy, because you parse 98 doesn't make you a pro, it's a 20 yo game lmao
All Blizzard need to do is remove/alter some API functions, but instead they make the game around everyone using WeakAuras, etc. Really stupid.
Simply unable to play any MMO without addon support. Love to customize the shit out of my interface down to alter part of LUA code to get it exactly down to my preference.
I remember a great example of eliteism when i was tanking ZG as a 2h Main Tank and they didnt even notice til i went for the epic polearm lol they got real pissy then gave me the easy job of offtank (we aced the shit out of the instance too)
This is literally GearScore 3.0.... fuck.. getting flashbacks to WotLK
Yeah and royally and thoroughly fuck gearscore and the entire despicable culture it created.
WotLK was rather quaint in comparison. You could gear up to where you needed to be in a weekend because gear ilvl and stats aren't RNG.
As an addon author, i think it's terrible blizzard doesn't enforce the TOS very well. Many of us follow rules and make sure the addon is free of ads, self promotion, and paywalls. Even if users support us, it's always entirely OPTIONAL per the terms and again not advertised in any way in game. But as you said, blizzard has not been enforcing it at all, because there are numerous paywalled addons that skirt the rules by making the "addon" portion free and making the data or profile for it a premium. they then argue it's within tos cause it's not the "addon" that's premium. Ridiculous semantics.
I recently started a new character in WoW classic (SoD) to try it out once more, because I've never really liked WoW and only leveled one character to 60 in retail. Anyways, my uncle who is a WoW veteran (since release and still playing) asked me "what add ons are you using?". And I promptly responded with "None, I want to experience classic WoW like it was back when you played".
He didn't question me, he actually respected my decision. But even my uncle who has been in the game since release said that it was way too tedious to play without any add ons. I think he really likes high difficulty raiding, so he needs them. And it shouldn't be like that.
Ban all add ons and make the hardest raids easier so you don't need add ons. You can't have online games where you're dependent on third party software to win, it's just not healthy.
My performance in wow is scrutinised harder than at my job.
Parsing is a cancer in this game. It’s like that one guy who links the dps meter unprompted at the end of groups. But he’s doing it publicly at all time.
Blizzard: Hold my beer... $59.99
I will find you if this became a thing from Blizzard.
I remember in Burning crusade I was almost denied a raid spot in Gruul's lair because I was a BM hunter and refused to switch to MM. They let me in when i promised if I wasn't top 5 dps on the first encounter i'd back out and give it to someone else. After the fight I was number 6 on the DPS meter and they tried to kick me. I said cool now add my pets DPS with mine. Oh now I'm top 1 DPS cool. Dumbasses only see "MM is meta" and think its the only way to play the game. That was the beginning of the end for my WoW career.
BM was meta in TBC and one surv for expose weakness
@@NoNo-ll8og It was but at launch people didn't want it in raid cause it was still "huntard pets suck why are you using a pet for a raid blah blah blah"
i did one raid in SOD Sunken temple. First boss we had to wait for our troll shamans to take dmg to get best possible berserk buff for logs... i quit sod after 4 bosses in
people will still pay a premium in order to be dickish snobs to their fellow player, its the warcraft way.
Blizzard has not cared about the game for a very long time.
Lol of course they don't care. That's why we don't get updates every 3 months or any new expansions every two years
Just make it like FF14 and make all addons illegal. As an old school WoW player I never thought I'd be able to function without addons, and man.... life is just so much better without them. Imagine WoW without all this crap just to get into lame raids and shit lol. It would probably feel fun again. And not be a bunch of neckbeards circle jerking stats that no one cares about.
To be fair for FF14 that's just on paper. It's a "don't talk about it and we won't bother you" policy. I'm glad there are addons like noclippy for example, that are designed for players with high latency so they can still enjoy the game. (without this addon players with high latency can't double weave)
I myself use an addon that allows me to create "custom" trackers for buffs, just so i can show my monk buffs in a specific part of the UI, with a greater buff icon size. There's no possibility to separate a specific buff from the buff list to place it somewhere else natively. That's supposed to be a given in this day and age yet it's not in the game. TBF that's not too important for pretty much all classes, but when you play monk (which if you don't know has a more flowchart approach than other classes) and the entire class revolves around tracking 3 specific buffs and making decisions based on those, you NEED to be able to track those buffs in the blink of an eye if you want to play properly, which I do.
Addons in and of themselves aren't bad. It's players and the way they use addons that's problematic. between WoW's addon culture and FFXIV supposedly no addon culture, there's an immense gap called "being reasonable".
The real reason why parsing is such a thing because the game by itself has zero competitive elements in PVE. PVE is either piss easy and your grandma could succeed or its so difficult that 99% of the players can not even think about trying it. Leaderboards and Highscores always had been a cornerstone of gaming, and if a game doesn't offer it out of the box, people just add it. That it's used for gatekeeping out less performing players is also a necessity and it will always happen either way. Without parses and scores, people would group up, check its others gear and disband when they don't like what they see. A lot of people play football, but not everyone can play for Real Madrid.
Remember. ANY paid addons will be banned.
And everyone who use paid addons will be banned
That was, and that will be
It's a funny circle of people buying tokens for carries to get RaiderIO which makes it invalid as a way to check skill. So we get another addon that's paid for to double check the RaiderIO and make sure they aren't boosters. Don't you love when one problem creates another.
This isn’t about retail WoW though.
Imagine the ban wave if they banned all the people who paid for leveling add ons.. we need another judgement day
last time i played classic was on tbc t6 as a resto druid, sometimes i would be assigned to like healing bubbles in morogrim (which is stupid imo) or like a section in vashj instead of middle, then ofc i cant heal to my full potential. if this addon existed back then, i think i would right out say "no, i dont want to be assigned that" because i need those pink 99s, and be kicked probably.
As a League of Legends veteran player I must say, players in games in general are judging if someone is good based on a f.. number .. They never want to see how others are performing in the game... Parsing and Rank placements are the worst kind of restrictions for a player to experience when they just want to play..
WoW has a weirder mentality on this than FF does. Yes we have parsing, but average people don't look at it the same way they do in WoW. We can just join a random PF and people don't usually care enough to look you up, we just get a full party and go. Finding statics that only really care about killing the boss is the easiest thing in the world too.
People do care in higher end statics, but I think at that point its more justified in the sense that they are coming together to find people who can play at a high level. The problem in WoW is how it's taken over the pug scene.
It dosnt matter if you play ff or wow in both games you will get flamed, hatespeech and stuff if you dont know stuff from the very beginning
If you do a failure youre done for the guild
In wow and FF its both toxic cause both are mmorpgs.
People who try to act like " I play ff and yeah its the same but were not toxic its cool here.. " No
Guild wars, wow, FF, star wars
Dosnt matter what mmorpg you take
People are toxic and dosnt care for playing together rather winning is what they want
Ff is just as wow.
plus parties that generally do care about parses will advertise themselves as barse parties in pf specifically to log farm
@@sonicartzldesignerclan5763 I'm sorry but equating FFXIV's audience to WoW's on a toxicity scale is fucking hilarious at best.
What you're trying to say is FFXIV players can be really passive aggressive, which is true, the Midwestern "fake nice", but we're not spewing outright vitriol like WoW players. It's not even remotely the same, and this is coming from someone who actively raided Mythic/Ultimate level content in both games.
@@sonicartzldesignerclan5763 Have you ever played it? Cause that's just straight up not true at all. At least not in my experience. Especially doing content with people of a lower caliber. Like the other guy said, yes there's lots of passive aggression, but flaming someone/hatespeech is a real quick way to get yourself suspended for a few days at least or more if you're a repeat offender.
Also my post didn't talk about aggression at all, I was talking about how people obsessing over parses doesn't happen in anywhere near the same capacity as it does in WoW.
like I don't mind damage meters, for me personally I get to see and experiment with rotations and talents and see in a clear and real time manner what is working or not. And that's how it should be, logging and parses are just stupid, what happened to back in the day where it's like you should average 3k dps for this boss to die, that's the only metric that should matter. Getting into raids is like a job application where you require 5 years of experience, but the raid hasn't been released...
Surely parses in SOD are representative of a player's skill when the only thing differentiating factor among players is who spent more gold on consumables or has more world buffs since rotation is FFXIV tier of easy.
On FFXIV, parsing is prohibited. Or at least, shaming or harassing someone for his DPS is prohibited. Also, streamer and content creator showing a parse in their video/live get ban on the spot. I don’t know if that’s the golden solution, but at least, it’s addressed by the GM’s
it would make sod 100% better if blizzard went the ff14 route
Playing FFXIV right now, feels so nice not caring about add-ons
Have you never done high end raiding or pvp in ff14? I was required to have a few addons to do high end pvp and raiding. FF14 is just as toxic as wow if not worse when it comes to end game raiding and especially ranked pvp. It seems you have never been in an ultimate raid group or static. Addons specially when it comes to the cringe gposer (you know the ones who make an instagram and twitter model with thier ff14 character.) community are crazy. People literally pay people for pose and clothing mods.
FFlogs is made by the same person/company and the uploader has this same feature in it now.
Still don't understand why you need to see rDPS or w/e in realtime as standard DPS is a good enough indicator for anything you need in real-time
@@lazyfrogeyes5949for day to day play, you can get by without any addons. You're talking about an small group of people. Normal dungeons and savage raiding don't require any addons to complete.
@@lazyfrogeyes5949 I do that stuff and my group does not require them
@@lazyfrogeyes5949
Any groups requiring add-ons of you for endgame FFXIV content are just bad players and projecting
Stan: Right, and what does Tom Brady do after breaking the rules?
Cartman: Deny and subvert
"can TOS be law"?
No. But you can absolutely go to court over it. If for example blizzard decides to ban that addon and issue a c&d, the dev could take them to court. Then Blizzard would point to that ToS line and immediately win.
They developers should make each hit from the boss reduce your dmg this way if you want to pars, you have to do the boss correctly instead of standing in the fire and hitting the boss.
Remove all addons
There is a legal hole in the ToS.
You are NOT allowed to sell Add Ons thats correct. HOWEVER giving out an Add On as "extra" for a paid service IS NOT against ToS. In short the add on ITSELF is not being sold and that makes it legal. Blizzard literally cant do anything about it its completely legal. Always has been.
the bad thing about parsing is when you're top dps and someone doesnt do a mechanic and causes your death and then your dps goes to the bottom and everyone blames you for failing the fight and kick you
You're completely wrong - Blizzard DOES care.
They care that there's an extra $25/mth on the table they could have if they banned the addon and sold the same functionality back to you. For $29.99/mth.
my god what other examples do they need..... fucking ban addons - all of them. now.
You guys are getting so emotional over nothing lol
@@tesladrew2608addons killed their families
@@tesladrew2608 explain
@@Maiwang it's self explanatory if you understand English. If you don't, well, there's no point in trying to explain.
I remember using DBM the first time to help with raiding. It really did make movement easier because it telegraphed the cast timers and where to not stand. The game should probably just put those features into the UI because most raiders use it. It's also funny and ironic that the noise it plays after you kill a boss was the Final Fantasy fanfare.
For retail there are parses for doing mechanics, you can still filter out people that fail and consistently don’t do mechanics and it has nothing to do it with damage dealing.
What do you even get out of parsing? Satisfaction of being high on a leader board?
Need real players to do the real content, and MMOs never been more than numbers grind to feel strongers.
There is very little content and we get to raid for 1 hour once a week so it’s really about trying to squeeze some enjoyment out of a short, easy raid with terrible loot.