This boss is one of the reasons I advocate that you play the franchise from the beginning. You're absolutely free to play from whatever order you want but this boss hits on an insanely powerful level if you've been there from the get-go. I feel similarly about Kiryu's "reward" in Gaiden.
Amazing work with this. I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said. The fight really went above and beyond in multiple areas but the best thing by far was the genre shift twist, it truly made it stand out among every fight the turn-based games brought!
I predicted this happening like 3 years ago and popped hard for it. Now I just need a game where they're the only 4 party members, idk how we do that but RGG will find a way
My heart goes out to anyone who was spoiled on this fight’s inclusion before they got to it themselves. I remember how amazing the flashback parts were and if I had known they were coming, it would’ve still been peak but definitely less so.
Agreed. I got spoiled on it due to some stores in the US stocking the game early, which lead to a number of people uploading everything in the most clickbait-y way possible here (and then UA-cam recommendations dealt the finishing blow 😅). Even then, seeing the fight really doesn't compare to experiencing it yourself, thankfully.
I would love to see a yamai video because he’s one of the best parts of infinite wealth, and btw this video was great and pointed out one of the best parts of this fight gameplay wise and story.
Would definitely love to do a dedicated Yamai video, especially with how drastically different each of his 5 fights were in the game (alongside the phenomenal writing)
@@gokudoni Oh, please do it. He was the most valuable character for me in all IW. Also would like to read what the community thinks will be his future.
The 3jima trio’s boss them. “Impregnable Triangle” hit so hard, from the song itself sounding straight from an Orchestral performance, to the name itself being an obvious note that Saejima, Daigo, & Majima fighting together are an unbreakable trio
This fight was perfect, almost down to the minute details. The only thing that would've made it better is if Kiryu and whichever -Jima bro switched to their original outfits for the final dragon's resurgence showdowns. Infinite Wealth for all the things I've complained about shines in pure bravado when it comes to setting the stage for its many boss fights. I never thought in my wildest dreams that we'd get a Kiryu vs Majima fight ever again after Yakuza 3, much less one that turned out the way it did. It felt like a long built up boiling point as well as a somber last rumble like no other. It's easy to say that the highlights of a game were callbacks to the older games, but RGG carefully crafted these kinds of fights both in 7 as well as 8 in a way that only a Yakuza game could. Absolutely fantastic.
Wonderfully put! Also, good point on mentioning the lack of original outfits. Luckily, the new designs and the Jima reappearance in the finale mostly make up for that oversight (at least to me hahah)
i’ve always wondered what would happen if Majima actually ended up stabbing kiryu with his knife. “damn we were just having a street brawl but for some reason i use a knife against my life long buddy and i just killed him oopsies”
@@cuppedcup In that case Kiryu will die. That's the only way actually. Remember? Majima is the only one allowed to kill him. Cancer never had a chance 😂
In regards to Majima’s doppelgänger move, I have a theory, that I’m sure other people have also rationalised: Majima doesn’t create actual copies of himself, but the copies are just an artistic and gameplay liberty to emphasis Majima’s speed and evasive ability. He is so fast and agile that to his opponents and for the player, we might as well be fighting multiple combatants.
Definitely agree with you, both on this and the Shishido fight. The first time I saw that Dragon's Resurgence icon in the middle of the screen I was straight up confused, but after I realized what was happening, I just couldn't believe it honestly. Dedicating such a gameplay twist to these guys specifically is the best choice RGG could have made, just to make this fight truly special. It just wouldn't fit anyone else in the game. Do you think this fight could be the final one we get in the Ichiban saga? Finally moving on from the legacy characters and giving the new ones the complete spotlight, at least in terms of boss fights? It would definitely be worthy of being the final one, in my opinion.
Honestly, if it weren't for the Kiryu cancer reveal in Infinite, only a potential Ichiban vs Kiryu fight would fit this "gameplay switch" design choice. It would be great to see the Ichi Saga end of a note as high as this fight was, but that's still years and years away, meaning that RGG could do something even cooler in the meantime, to later offer him a worthwhile send-off
@@klaus.sfc01official30 nah, that's actually so accurate and funny since everyone calls Majima and Saejima by their last name, but only Daigo is called by the first name
@@alexagolfey7637 probably because theres multiple dojimas in the series, daigo dojima, and sohei dojima even though one of them is irrelevant past yakuza 1
For pretty much the entire game up until the 3Jimas fight, part of me refused to admit that this was the end of Kiryu's jouney and legacy. The 3Jimas fight was the moment it all fell apart for me. Daigo was the first Jima I beat, and the moment I heard For Face and saw the snapshots of Daigo and Kiryu together, I shed some tears. All three brawler moments are a beautiful send-off and celebration of the last 20 years, and while I am excited to see what other adventures Ichiban will be a part of, the fact that Kiryu will likely only show up one more time in the role of a mentor-type character is sad for me. Kiryu deserves the rest, though, and the games aren't going to magically disappear from my library, so I can still relive the moments I hold closest.
5:49 I mean the whole point of the fight is showing kiryu starting to believe again in a second chance on his life and keep on fighting And on the other hand is the trijimas who always were there for him when he was down are now going through the same But now kiryu not only is trying to help em thrugh it but also showing to himself why they should keep on fighting Some people say this is pure hypocricy from kiryu but in reality is pure character development He understands where they are right now and that is why he is the perfect one to tell em to keep on fighting
Oh yeah and one more thing I LOVE That saejima is actually not faced by kiryu and he actually is lowkey chill and just does the fight for the fun of it compared to daigo and majima who are absolutly enraged
Badass video man! This fight felt like such a payoff for longtime fans and the moment Kiryu enters a memory stage with each of the Jimas knocked me off my feet. Fanservice and growth in all the right ways.
This video came out as I was, and still am, playing my 3rd playthrough of IW, and I am at the 3jimas fight again. THIS IS PEAK! I can't count the number of times I loaded a save I have just to play this fight in IW and in the LJ Legend Gauntlet Mod. ABSOLUTE PEAK
Absolutely based boss fight, i’ve never been so hyped for a boss fight kiryu and the 3jima’s going all out with the brawler gameplay, with me past game memories, their themes from their boss fights, absolutely gem of a boss fight, the meeting then on the millenium tower?! Wotha song called THE FOUR?!? Absolute peak fight
I absolutely love what you said; It could have very easily felt like a "fanservice fight", and it still would have been cool, but thats not how it felt. I think its always standard to write legacy characters who have lots of fans in a "perfect" way where they are always in character and at their best. Instead the writers were confident enough to make Kiryu and 3jima all feel kind of messy and broken broken, and they trusted the fans to be cool with that.
For some reason i liked the Jima bossfights in yakzuza 7 more. It was so unexpected and was more hyped up. Altho gotta say the real time section in 8 made it very unique.
I don't know why but when i saw kiryu trying to reason with the 3jimas i almost shed a tear, because throughout the series we've seen them go through so much but in the end they end up together, but now seeing kiryu confess that he has cancer and majima yells at him to not tell him that's true genuinely made me sad, especially daigo because kiryu was like a dad to him despite the couple of times kiryu left him to lead the tojo clan without him.
This video was great! Nice work! While I am action/brawler gameplay IW was great, loved the fan service. I know they want to retire Kiryu but I am always hopeful we have one more game with him.
My favorite franchises are the ones who know how to pay off a fans investment. And yakuza might be the best of them. Playing every game before this moment is like watching every movie before avengers endgame. Its just unreal.
in my opinion the greatest yakuza boss of all time is kiryu in yakuza 7. not only is it a great story moment it perfectly puts into perspective where ichiban and kiryu lay on the spectrum of protagonists and acts as a passing of the torch in a metaphysical and narrative way
This fight imo is the best in the series and in gaming as a whole. The QTE literally made me depressed and the moment we entered the free style beat em up and hearing their music, i just felt in despair and nearly cried.
I love the Saejima, Majima and Daigo boss fight from Like A Dragon 8 so much, it was so good, i didn't think they'd be able to top Majima and Saejima's fight from Yakuza Like A Dragon (Yakuza 7) but they did and the soundtrack THE SOUNDTRACK, i didn't think they'd be able top 83key's remix of Receive You but THEY DID IT! THEY DID IT!! Impregnable Triangle from Chihiro Aoki was AMAZING (who knew Aoki-san had orchestral chops in her, i want to see more orchestral songs in the series in future after that banger, let me tell you
I would say that if anyone was out of character, that would be Kiryu... But it's not the first time we see him acting like an ass, so... The stupid scene from the pier in Kiwami could still be considered out of character, but at this point I'm not really sure even about that one What I find astonishing is that they are still loyal and care about him after all his bullshit. Listen, I'm talking from experience here. The experience of a cancer patient, actually. When you are so sick that you know that probably won't make it though, it's really easy to put yourself on the line and don't give a f**k about the consequences. But expect everyone to follow you as an example of taking responsibility (whatever that crap means in Kiryu's head) is presumptuous. We have been with him through 12 chapters learning how to better treat your friends but I think he won't pass through a practice test about the issue at all.
Valid points! Maybe the fact they've all gone through this cycle of shifting blame so many times meant that they could also accept that none of them have changed that much over the years. Kiryu may be stuck in his ways, but so are the Jimas in many ways, yet they still help each other out in the end. Just the nature of their bonds, I guess. Thank you for contributing to the discussion
@@gokudoni Yeah. That's a valid point and their loyalty is unquestionable. And despite my harshness I still love the big lug. In their place I would have done the same: scolded/fight him and run to help regardless of his behavior. I agree with your video though, it was a great boss fight, just that I was incapable of enjoying it. But maybe it wasn't the one I was craving for. I would sell my soul for having a proper farewell for Kiryu in a game: one with his friends fighting by his side and sharing those bonding links together. With de Daidoji as the final boss and meeting with his children as the final price. But RGG won't let me have it. Maybe I'm actually mad with them and not with Kiryu.
Honestly, to me Kiryu is the only one that was right in that situation. IMO it has nothing to do with having cancer and acting like there are no consequences, it's about the fact that this room full of ex-Yakuzas are responsible for what's going on and owe it to themselves and what they believed in, to see this through. Again, to me it was the exact opposite of what you got from the scene, it's his friends that didn't treat him better and (almost) failed him... a guy that kept sacrificing himself for their "way of life" and never asked for anything in return. When he finally asks they're like "nah, we're done" lmao The most out of character there was Majima, 100%. He would never back away from a chance to fight back and stir up some chaos while doing it. I'm not saying Majima is a shallow character or that he is "unga bunga" and willing to get in a fight at all times, but at the same time he's definitely not the kind of character that will back away from a fight and live in a cabin in the middle of the snow for the rest of his life either.
@@Ocean5ix Well... We agree to disagree then... In almost everything actually. 1st and most important. These three have been taking responsibility from years to this point and paying for their crimes since before Kiryu even finished his tattoo. Even after a dissolution totally built on their efforts they were taking responsibility and providing a new life to former gokudou until one of Kiryu's new allies decided to cancel that to obtain more views for her VTuber channel. If they are responsable for all the future actions of any former gokudou, then Tokugawa is responsable for ending the Sengoku wars and and allowing those ronin to form the Yakuza in the first place. Hell, even that barman in Yokohama should be taking responsibility and being recruted for the cause. Also, please tell me what favours they need to repay him. I need that list. The only favor I remember being asked by any of the 3jimas to him was some money and a change of clothes for Saejima in Y4. The other time that one of them asked just for some advice in Y5 he didn't even acknowledge someone called "son" by himself. No. If Kiryu makes any sacrifices at all, those would be for his dead kyodai or for Haruka and the kids. And here is where we disagree the most. That isn't taking responsibility or something to admire. That's called running away. Leaving those who you love because of some unprocessed feelings of guilt is not responsibility, is the easiest path for an excuse And Kiryu was capable of leaving his kids behind because of all types of stupid reasons: - Because "only could be one dragon", in Y2 - Because wanted to help a guy who stabbed him, deliver some documents in Y4 - Because a nasty lady wanted full control over his daughter's will and future, in Y5 - Because needed to go to jail for ... the plot? In Y6 And finally, needed to erase his existence because the Daidoji wanted to buy his silence, with a lot of money but he chose to die because....????? Sacrifices himself for "their way of life" ??? Please explain when that happened. The reality is that one of them sacrifices his freedom and returns to the clan so Kiryu can leave and live his way of life and the other is beaten into the chairman's position by Kiryu, so Kiryu can leave and live his way of life. And that without mentioning all the times they have been shot or stabbed for his sake. The only point of agreement we could have would be Majima. He is far too intelligent and capable of adaptation to end fishing in that ass of the world, defeated by a v-tuber. But apparently he is more intelligent that the writers too, being those incapable of anything better. Because who needs coherence in a game with gigantic squids?
@@dominadaemonisociopataenpr6498 Most plot of Yakuza games, when it comes to Kiryu, could be summed up by that Godfather line "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in". While Majima and Saejima don't owe Kiryu directly, they do owe him indirectly because every time he had to come back and clean the Tojo clan's mess (or dispute between them and the Omi) he literally saved the clan from annihilation or assimilation. I would say Saejima way less, Majima is almost a wildcard, but Dojima 100% owe it to Kiryu. This scene could be resolved by Dojima being grateful and accepting to help Kiryu, that would sway the other two. Majima acting like himself and helping Kiryu, that would also sway the other two. As for Saejima, he would just go with the majority or even just Majima. I think we perceive the entire franchise in a completely different (almost opposite) way. You seem to see as the sacrifices of the many in the name of one. I see it as the sacrifices of one in the name of the many. And while I'm not here to debate who's right or wrong (we're just having a friendly back and forth) I would say that the fact that Kiryu's legendary, almost divine reputation, is more in line with the way I see the franchise. He is constantly the 1 vs 100. He's constantly the last line of defense of the Tojo Clan. Everybody look up to him, that's a huge point in 99% of his Bucket List storyline. What is also part of Infinite Wealth's storyline is Kiryu learning to ask for help and not go through this alone. And the fact that in this game, with this specific message, his friends refuse to help him when he asks, speaks for itself. To me the game is clearly paiting them as the... stubborn ones that lost their way and who they always were.
Some stuff I think you missed: The turn based format works to the fight's benefit, as this is one of the few battles where it feels like the enemies are their own party. They have follow up attacks just like us, Daigo buffs the entire team (Which adds to the "leader" vibe) and they each cover each other's elemental weaknesses. In general, they sinergize like a group of their caliber would. Secondly, I wanna point out the genius of the midfight QTE. It shows us Kiryu couldn't have done this alone. As much as we joke about him "breaking the turn based format", age is catching up to him. Disease is catching up to him. He needs his friends to back him up. Even the choice of who goes up against who is genius. Zhao can match Majima's blade and agility, Seonhee is the only one who could've stopped Saejima's attack, and the comparatively weaker members of each squad are matched up against each other. It really makes me wish we got more of these multi-character intros or QTEs. Lastly, just as a maybe unintended easter egg, the track that plays is in 3/4. Perfect for a trio that's missing their last one to become the four, right?
Excellent points! As for the time signature in particular, I decided to remove that part from the initial video script, so that I can do a proper analysis of the song in a standalone video. I'd say it was a very deliberate choice by the composer
Can you talk about what could have helped the story more? IMO, there should have been another chapter or two between the finale. It would have let the story breathe better.
I'll definitely cover that in a future video. It does feel like a lot of stuff was cut from the end product (not even counting the scenes from the story demo that came with Gaiden).
They made ichiban the main hero now. Why do u think the whole point of 8 was giving kiryu a good bye. Bc most likely in the next big game in the series kiryu probably will pass from his cancer.
@Cloud_9_reveiws the game doesn't look like a goodbye to Kiryu for me. SEGA already did saying "goodbye" to Kiryu with 3, 5 and 6, and 8 might follow the same pattern. We'll see on the next game.
My biggest complaint with IW is that the level scaling is too extreme on both ends I think, Being 2 or 3 levels above someone shouldn't be a death sentence for either party, yet thats exactly what it is, it makes overleveling for most people happen by accident, and completely dismantling the challenge that's supposed to be there. I personally made sure to always try and match the requirements to the number, but if you're underleveled by 2 or 3, its pretty much night and day, and a I think a worse case scenario is when you're like 4 levels above your bosses, I feel like they should do something about that in Lad 9, maybe add *real* difficulty options?
Hard agree! Glad to see it wasn't just us on Devilleon's Infinite Wealth Spoilercast episode that took issue with the reworked levelling system, compared to Yakuza 7.
after remembering how difficult the Majima & Saejima fight was for me in Y:LaD I made sure I was more than prepared for this fight in Infinite Wealth, only to be so overleveled I completely demolished them without a thought. The build up to the fight is still very cool but I just wish the boss itself was harder
3jima beats 2jima imo for gameplay and narrative connection. 7 and Gaiden have some of the best narrative and gameplay connection fights of the series. I suppose 0's final boss does as well but idk. The rest? Not so much, more standard final challenge/test of the game's mechanics.
I had the same thought, then thought back to it and sadly, “Kiryu beats the brakes off of Akiyama early in the story in front of a bunch of babies” is not the most auspicious combat note for Akiyama, maybe it’s better it was forgotten. 😢
I can understand Daigo being pissed at Kiryu refusing to offer him support, then constantly showing up to smack him down for the decisions he's forced to make in Kiryu's absence. - Y2 Kiryu beats up Daigo to convince him he has a responsibility to the Tojo clan... because of who his father was? - Y3 Kiryu is retired and claims to no longer have a responsibility to the Tojo clan, Daigo attempts to respect this. Kiryu guts the senior leadership of the clan (and the one financing the clan) whilst Daigo is in a coma. Most of them were traitors though, but the clan is now weak and lacking funds. - Y4 Kiryu is retired and claims to no longer have a responsibility to the Tojo clan. Diago seeks a backdoor deal to finance the Tojo he's been left with, given the absence of Mine bankrolling him. Kiryu doesnt suggest any alternatives but is happy to beat down Daigo for the path he's chosen. Kiryu then apologises and says he's learned he does have a responsibility and will support Daigo more in the future. - Y5 Kiryu is retired, he pretends he doesnt know who Daigo is when he comes asking Kiryu for advice. - Y6 Kiryu apologies again and says he's learned he does have a responsibility and wishes he'd been able to support Daigo more directly (he learns the same thing he learned at the end of Y4... again), but unfortunately he's 100% dead and therefore cant help in the future. - Y7/Gaiden oh look Kiryu's been alive this whole time and still hasnt supported Daigo, despite claiming he regretted not supporting Daigo in his "dying letter". - Y8 "how dare you shirk your responsibility Daigo!"
Disagree on the turn based thing the lost judgement mod legends gauntlet adds a real time version of this fight which genuinely peak its obviously a little jank its a mod but its exactly what it should be it works in real time I feel your thoughts on that come from maybe not playing that mod or not like expecting enough but really had it been official would touch the heights of shishido it only doesn't coz they arnt playable teammates they robbed us...
The mod does look amazing, but it stills suffers from the issues pointed out in the video. You either have two of the three Jimas standing by the side doing nothing, or alternatively, have all of them combo you at once. The problem isn't the idea of fighting all of them in a beat-em-up style, it's the messier balancing, compared to the turn-based version.
the ONLY issue is that the game is so extremely easy and you can very easily get super over leveled for this boss without even trying causing the fight to having much less impact because you beat them so easily
IMO RGG has toned down a lot when it comes to mid fight cutscenes and hype moments since Y0 and while this fight was great the reason behind it was kinda lame and very fan service-y. I thought it was fun in a game-y way but it definitely didn’t hit that emotional note that Yakuza main story moments do. It felt a bit immersion breaking because the fight didn’t serve any purpose to the story itself, just to the player. Like “this fight is happening because we know you want it.. so have at it!”. PS: I also feel like there’s a weird tone with this fight. We all know Yakuza gets crazy but there’s just something weird about them beating up an old man with cancer and a bunch of civilians just for the sake of it. I don’t know… this entire fight just felt off to me.
I see no issue with the reasoning, Besides, the fight can both have story purpose and be fan service-y, Also reducing kiryu to just an "Old man with cancer" and Ichiban's pals as "Just civilians" is a very reductive, especially since 1 of them literally isn't a civilian.
@@Norrabal It's not really about reducing the characters in terms of "power creep", we all know Kiryu is up there in "power level", what I mean is that his party spent most of the game protecting him from having to fight and the man himself appears gassed after a few brawls in multiple cutscenes throughout the game. It's more about the morality of beating up a man with cancer (that needs to stay fresh for the real meaningful fights) than how strong Kiryu is. And you're right, Seonhee and maybe Zhao far from being just civilians, but still.. Namba and Adachi are. Ichiban isn't part of Kiryu's party. "Besides, the fight can both have story purpose and be fan service-y," I agree, but this fight wasn't one. All these characters matured throughout the games, they can sit down and have a serious conversation. The fact that they beat the hell out of each other for "ol' times sake" was just fan service. And I admitt my "inner, younger self" had a blast with the fight itself, but my 31yo ass thought it kinda ruined a very serious and emotional moment of the story... just a tiny bit.
One QTE, no cool Dynamic intro and generic theme for Saejima Theme song is awesome...first minute, then is repetitive Would be cool if they improve those concepts
What is your favourite boss from Infinite Wealth? :)
Kiryu's Cancer
Yamai in the theatre
The fight you just mentioned. It is second to none in that game.
Bakadarou (no crying challange)
THIS ONE BROTHER
The 3Jimas fight was absolute peak. It's a shame that it'll be probably be the final time Kiryu gets to fight his fellow Tojo legends.
What's the shame in that ? They were going to be a final fight anyway one day. If not now then their last fight would had been it
...omg, you're right... They ARE the 3jimas. Saejima, Dojima, and Majima... I never fuckin' realized that until now.
Gotta save the best for last
This boss is one of the reasons I advocate that you play the franchise from the beginning. You're absolutely free to play from whatever order you want but this boss hits on an insanely powerful level if you've been there from the get-go. I feel similarly about Kiryu's "reward" in Gaiden.
Highly agree! One of the best things about the series as of late, is the feeling of payoff from sticking with the series from its beginnings in 2005
Amazing work with this. I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said. The fight really went above and beyond in multiple areas but the best thing by far was the genre shift twist, it truly made it stand out among every fight the turn-based games brought!
Glad you enjoyed it! It's especially amazing to see how people with prior experience of jrpg bosses/franchises look at this fight in particular
I predicted this happening like 3 years ago and popped hard for it. Now I just need a game where they're the only 4 party members, idk how we do that but RGG will find a way
My heart goes out to anyone who was spoiled on this fight’s inclusion before they got to it themselves. I remember how amazing the flashback parts were and if I had known they were coming, it would’ve still been peak but definitely less so.
Agreed. I got spoiled on it due to some stores in the US stocking the game early, which lead to a number of people uploading everything in the most clickbait-y way possible here (and then UA-cam recommendations dealt the finishing blow 😅). Even then, seeing the fight really doesn't compare to experiencing it yourself, thankfully.
I would love to see a yamai video because he’s one of the best parts of infinite wealth, and btw this video was great and pointed out one of the best parts of this fight gameplay wise and story.
Would definitely love to do a dedicated Yamai video, especially with how drastically different each of his 5 fights were in the game (alongside the phenomenal writing)
@@gokudoni Oh, please do it. He was the most valuable character for me in all IW. Also would like to read what the community thinks will be his future.
I talk about Yamai in my "Art of Redeemed Yakuza Villains" video if you're interested!: ua-cam.com/video/RbwkoKqMpqA/v-deo.htmlsi=vHgNYZNDu7w-XuZp
@tigerdropfilms Thank you so much. Your video and channel, had been added to my Yakuza pending views list.
@@dominadaemonisociopataenpr6498 Awesome, thank you so much!!! 🤜💥🐅
The 3jima trio’s boss them. “Impregnable Triangle” hit so hard, from the song itself sounding straight from an Orchestral performance, to the name itself being an obvious note that Saejima, Daigo, & Majima fighting together are an unbreakable trio
This fight was perfect, almost down to the minute details. The only thing that would've made it better is if Kiryu and whichever -Jima bro switched to their original outfits for the final dragon's resurgence showdowns. Infinite Wealth for all the things I've complained about shines in pure bravado when it comes to setting the stage for its many boss fights. I never thought in my wildest dreams that we'd get a Kiryu vs Majima fight ever again after Yakuza 3, much less one that turned out the way it did. It felt like a long built up boiling point as well as a somber last rumble like no other. It's easy to say that the highlights of a game were callbacks to the older games, but RGG carefully crafted these kinds of fights both in 7 as well as 8 in a way that only a Yakuza game could. Absolutely fantastic.
Wonderfully put! Also, good point on mentioning the lack of original outfits. Luckily, the new designs and the Jima reappearance in the finale mostly make up for that oversight (at least to me hahah)
i’ve always wondered what would happen if Majima actually ended up stabbing kiryu with his knife. “damn we were just having a street brawl but for some reason i use a knife against my life long buddy and i just killed him oopsies”
Rubber knives to the rescue 😁
@ yeahhh, perhaps i think too hard about yakuza 😂
@@cuppedcup In that case Kiryu will die. That's the only way actually. Remember? Majima is the only one allowed to kill him. Cancer never had a chance 😂
In regards to Majima’s doppelgänger move, I have a theory, that I’m sure other people have also rationalised: Majima doesn’t create actual copies of himself, but the copies are just an artistic and gameplay liberty to emphasis Majima’s speed and evasive ability. He is so fast and agile that to his opponents and for the player, we might as well be fighting multiple combatants.
Definitely agree with you, both on this and the Shishido fight. The first time I saw that Dragon's Resurgence icon in the middle of the screen I was straight up confused, but after I realized what was happening, I just couldn't believe it honestly. Dedicating such a gameplay twist to these guys specifically is the best choice RGG could have made, just to make this fight truly special. It just wouldn't fit anyone else in the game. Do you think this fight could be the final one we get in the Ichiban saga? Finally moving on from the legacy characters and giving the new ones the complete spotlight, at least in terms of boss fights? It would definitely be worthy of being the final one, in my opinion.
Honestly, if it weren't for the Kiryu cancer reveal in Infinite, only a potential Ichiban vs Kiryu fight would fit this "gameplay switch" design choice. It would be great to see the Ichi Saga end of a note as high as this fight was, but that's still years and years away, meaning that RGG could do something even cooler in the meantime, to later offer him a worthwhile send-off
Ah yes the 3jimas fight
Majima
Saejima
Daigojima
Daigo Dojima??
@giaopx oh...yeah i am stupid alright XD
@@klaus.sfc01official30 nah, that's actually so accurate and funny since everyone calls Majima and Saejima by their last name, but only Daigo is called by the first name
@@alexagolfey7637 probably because theres multiple dojimas in the series, daigo dojima, and sohei dojima even though one of them is irrelevant past yakuza 1
@@dylanesalameYou forgot the best and most underrated Dojima, Yayoi Dojima.
For pretty much the entire game up until the 3Jimas fight, part of me refused to admit that this was the end of Kiryu's jouney and legacy. The 3Jimas fight was the moment it all fell apart for me.
Daigo was the first Jima I beat, and the moment I heard For Face and saw the snapshots of Daigo and Kiryu together, I shed some tears. All three brawler moments are a beautiful send-off and celebration of the last 20 years, and while I am excited to see what other adventures Ichiban will be a part of, the fact that Kiryu will likely only show up one more time in the role of a mentor-type character is sad for me. Kiryu deserves the rest, though, and the games aren't going to magically disappear from my library, so I can still relive the moments I hold closest.
I'm so glad I decided to binge play the whole series from 0. That boss fight from IW hit so hard seeing those 4 legends again.
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I mean the whole point of the fight is showing kiryu starting to believe again in a second chance on his life and keep on fighting
And on the other hand is the trijimas who always were there for him when he was down are now going through the same
But now kiryu not only is trying to help em thrugh it but also showing to himself why they should keep on fighting
Some people say this is pure hypocricy from kiryu but in reality is pure character development
He understands where they are right now and that is why he is the perfect one to tell em to keep on fighting
Oh yeah and one more thing
I LOVE
That saejima is actually not faced by kiryu and he actually is lowkey chill and just does the fight for the fun of it compared to daigo and majima who are absolutly enraged
Badass video man! This fight felt like such a payoff for longtime fans and the moment Kiryu enters a memory stage with each of the Jimas knocked me off my feet. Fanservice and growth in all the right ways.
Peak RGG content creator talking about peak fight I am here for it
The music in this fight is SO good
One can debate if this is the best boss in the series but it sure is the best turn based one
Great vid
This video came out as I was, and still am, playing my 3rd playthrough of IW, and I am at the 3jimas fight again. THIS IS PEAK!
I can't count the number of times I loaded a save I have just to play this fight in IW and in the LJ Legend Gauntlet Mod.
ABSOLUTE PEAK
Same here! I even replayed the boss on different difficulty settings to see as many of their different skills as possible 😅
Absolutely based boss fight, i’ve never been so hyped for a boss fight kiryu and the 3jima’s going all out with the brawler gameplay, with me past game memories, their themes from their boss fights, absolutely gem of a boss fight, the meeting then on the millenium tower?! Wotha song called THE FOUR?!? Absolute peak fight
Amazing analysis, love the observations. Honestly made the whole fight and its motives seem so much better
Gosh i love everything about this boss battle
This was a great fight for sure. I think the Kuwana fight at the end of Lost Judgement gave me the most feels though.
I absolutely love what you said; It could have very easily felt like a "fanservice fight", and it still would have been cool, but thats not how it felt. I think its always standard to write legacy characters who have lots of fans in a "perfect" way where they are always in character and at their best. Instead the writers were confident enough to make Kiryu and 3jima all feel kind of messy and broken broken, and they trusted the fans to be cool with that.
This was a great video. Now how about a 30 min deep dive into the story arc of pocket circuit fighter ???
Excelent video, this battle is peak. Keep it up with these videos bro.
For some reason i liked the Jima bossfights in yakzuza 7 more. It was so unexpected and was more hyped up. Altho gotta say the real time section in 8 made it very unique.
I don't know why but when i saw kiryu trying to reason with the 3jimas i almost shed a tear, because throughout the series we've seen them go through so much but in the end they end up together, but now seeing kiryu confess that he has cancer and majima yells at him to not tell him that's true genuinely made me sad, especially daigo because kiryu was like a dad to him despite the couple of times kiryu left him to lead the tojo clan without him.
This video was great! Nice work! While I am action/brawler gameplay IW was great, loved the fan service. I know they want to retire Kiryu but I am always hopeful we have one more game with him.
the ost was so cool, it reminded me of frostpunk's "The City Must Survive"
I loved this fight, it was pretty difficult so I called Akiyama to help me and it was so peak
I would also count the millenium tower attack of yakuza 3 as a narrowly avoiding death moment for kiryu
My favorite franchises are the ones who know how to pay off a fans investment. And yakuza might be the best of them. Playing every game before this moment is like watching every movie before avengers endgame. Its just unreal.
in my opinion the greatest yakuza boss of all time is kiryu in yakuza 7. not only is it a great story moment it perfectly puts into perspective where ichiban and kiryu lay on the spectrum of protagonists and acts as a passing of the torch in a metaphysical and narrative way
This fight imo is the best in the series and in gaming as a whole. The QTE literally made me depressed and the moment we entered the free style beat em up and hearing their music, i just felt in despair and nearly cried.
I can't put my finger on it, but their boss theme sounds like a remix of something I've heard in the past, but I just can't name it
impregnable triangle is a great track until i think more about it and realize goro majima is DEFINETLY not impregnable i'd find a way...
I love the Saejima, Majima and Daigo boss fight from Like A Dragon 8 so much, it was so good, i didn't think they'd be able to top Majima and Saejima's fight from Yakuza Like A Dragon (Yakuza 7) but they did and the soundtrack THE SOUNDTRACK, i didn't think they'd be able top 83key's remix of Receive You but THEY DID IT! THEY DID IT!! Impregnable Triangle from Chihiro Aoki was AMAZING (who knew Aoki-san had orchestral chops in her, i want to see more orchestral songs in the series in future after that banger, let me tell you
The 'shit yourself' chapter
Banger video
Hell yeah Peak yakuza content.
Greatest detail of that beautiful series of real time one on ones is that KIRYU CAN DO THE KOMAKI PARRY!!!!! FUCK!!!!!!!!
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I would say that if anyone was out of character, that would be Kiryu... But it's not the first time we see him acting like an ass, so... The stupid scene from the pier in Kiwami could still be considered out of character, but at this point I'm not really sure even about that one
What I find astonishing is that they are still loyal and care about him after all his bullshit. Listen, I'm talking from experience here. The experience of a cancer patient, actually. When you are so sick that you know that probably won't make it though, it's really easy to put yourself on the line and don't give a f**k about the consequences. But expect everyone to follow you as an example of taking responsibility (whatever that crap means in Kiryu's head) is presumptuous. We have been with him through 12 chapters learning how to better treat your friends but I think he won't pass through a practice test about the issue at all.
Valid points! Maybe the fact they've all gone through this cycle of shifting blame so many times meant that they could also accept that none of them have changed that much over the years. Kiryu may be stuck in his ways, but so are the Jimas in many ways, yet they still help each other out in the end. Just the nature of their bonds, I guess. Thank you for contributing to the discussion
@@gokudoni Yeah. That's a valid point and their loyalty is unquestionable. And despite my harshness I still love the big lug. In their place I would have done the same: scolded/fight him and run to help regardless of his behavior.
I agree with your video though, it was a great boss fight, just that I was incapable of enjoying it. But maybe it wasn't the one I was craving for. I would sell my soul for having a proper farewell for Kiryu in a game: one with his friends fighting by his side and sharing those bonding links together. With de Daidoji as the final boss and meeting with his children as the final price.
But RGG won't let me have it. Maybe I'm actually mad with them and not with Kiryu.
Honestly, to me Kiryu is the only one that was right in that situation. IMO it has nothing to do with having cancer and acting like there are no consequences, it's about the fact that this room full of ex-Yakuzas are responsible for what's going on and owe it to themselves and what they believed in, to see this through. Again, to me it was the exact opposite of what you got from the scene, it's his friends that didn't treat him better and (almost) failed him... a guy that kept sacrificing himself for their "way of life" and never asked for anything in return. When he finally asks they're like "nah, we're done" lmao
The most out of character there was Majima, 100%. He would never back away from a chance to fight back and stir up some chaos while doing it. I'm not saying Majima is a shallow character or that he is "unga bunga" and willing to get in a fight at all times, but at the same time he's definitely not the kind of character that will back away from a fight and live in a cabin in the middle of the snow for the rest of his life either.
@@Ocean5ix Well... We agree to disagree then...
In almost everything actually.
1st and most important. These three have been taking responsibility from years to this point and paying for their crimes since before Kiryu even finished his tattoo. Even after a dissolution totally built on their efforts they were taking responsibility and providing a new life to former gokudou until one of Kiryu's new allies decided to cancel that to obtain more views for her VTuber channel.
If they are responsable for all the future actions of any former gokudou, then Tokugawa is responsable for ending the Sengoku wars and and allowing those ronin to form the Yakuza in the first place. Hell, even that barman in Yokohama should be taking responsibility and being recruted for the cause.
Also, please tell me what favours they need to repay him. I need that list.
The only favor I remember being asked by any of the 3jimas to him was some money and a change of clothes for Saejima in Y4. The other time that one of them asked just for some advice in Y5 he didn't even acknowledge someone called "son" by himself.
No. If Kiryu makes any sacrifices at all, those would be for his dead kyodai or for Haruka and the kids.
And here is where we disagree the most. That isn't taking responsibility or something to admire. That's called running away.
Leaving those who you love because of some unprocessed feelings of guilt is not responsibility, is the easiest path for an excuse
And Kiryu was capable of leaving his kids behind because of all types of stupid reasons:
- Because "only could be one dragon", in Y2
- Because wanted to help a guy who stabbed him, deliver some documents in Y4
- Because a nasty lady wanted full control over his daughter's will and future, in Y5
- Because needed to go to jail for ... the plot? In Y6
And finally, needed to erase his existence because the Daidoji wanted to buy his silence, with a lot of money but he chose to die because....?????
Sacrifices himself for "their way of life" ??? Please explain when that happened.
The reality is that one of them sacrifices his freedom and returns to the clan so Kiryu can leave and live his way of life
and the other is beaten into the chairman's position by Kiryu, so Kiryu can leave and live his way of life.
And that without mentioning all the times they have been shot or stabbed for his sake.
The only point of agreement we could have would be Majima. He is far too intelligent and capable of adaptation to end fishing in that ass of the world, defeated by a v-tuber. But apparently he is more intelligent that the writers too, being those incapable of anything better. Because who needs coherence in a game with gigantic squids?
@@dominadaemonisociopataenpr6498 Most plot of Yakuza games, when it comes to Kiryu, could be summed up by that Godfather line "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in". While Majima and Saejima don't owe Kiryu directly, they do owe him indirectly because every time he had to come back and clean the Tojo clan's mess (or dispute between them and the Omi) he literally saved the clan from annihilation or assimilation. I would say Saejima way less, Majima is almost a wildcard, but Dojima 100% owe it to Kiryu.
This scene could be resolved by Dojima being grateful and accepting to help Kiryu, that would sway the other two. Majima acting like himself and helping Kiryu, that would also sway the other two. As for Saejima, he would just go with the majority or even just Majima.
I think we perceive the entire franchise in a completely different (almost opposite) way. You seem to see as the sacrifices of the many in the name of one. I see it as the sacrifices of one in the name of the many. And while I'm not here to debate who's right or wrong (we're just having a friendly back and forth) I would say that the fact that Kiryu's legendary, almost divine reputation, is more in line with the way I see the franchise. He is constantly the 1 vs 100. He's constantly the last line of defense of the Tojo Clan. Everybody look up to him, that's a huge point in 99% of his Bucket List storyline. What is also part of Infinite Wealth's storyline is Kiryu learning to ask for help and not go through this alone. And the fact that in this game, with this specific message, his friends refuse to help him when he asks, speaks for itself. To me the game is clearly paiting them as the... stubborn ones that lost their way and who they always were.
I loved the Tendo fight from LAD. Munakata has to be up there for worst for me
Some stuff I think you missed:
The turn based format works to the fight's benefit, as this is one of the few battles where it feels like the enemies are their own party. They have follow up attacks just like us, Daigo buffs the entire team (Which adds to the "leader" vibe) and they each cover each other's elemental weaknesses. In general, they sinergize like a group of their caliber would.
Secondly, I wanna point out the genius of the midfight QTE. It shows us Kiryu couldn't have done this alone. As much as we joke about him "breaking the turn based format", age is catching up to him. Disease is catching up to him. He needs his friends to back him up. Even the choice of who goes up against who is genius. Zhao can match Majima's blade and agility, Seonhee is the only one who could've stopped Saejima's attack, and the comparatively weaker members of each squad are matched up against each other. It really makes me wish we got more of these multi-character intros or QTEs.
Lastly, just as a maybe unintended easter egg, the track that plays is in 3/4. Perfect for a trio that's missing their last one to become the four, right?
Excellent points! As for the time signature in particular, I decided to remove that part from the initial video script, so that I can do a proper analysis of the song in a standalone video. I'd say it was a very deliberate choice by the composer
bruh I just opened the app to immediately see peak
Can you talk about what could have helped the story more? IMO, there should have been another chapter or two between the finale. It would have let the story breathe better.
I'll definitely cover that in a future video. It does feel like a lot of stuff was cut from the end product (not even counting the scenes from the story demo that came with Gaiden).
honestly i wouldn't agree on greatest but one of the greatest that spot goes to shishido in my opinion
I have the feeling that Kiryu won't die in the game unless the voice actor passed away, and SEGA might gonna milk Kuroda-san as long as he able to
They made ichiban the main hero now. Why do u think the whole point of 8 was giving kiryu a good bye. Bc most likely in the next big game in the series kiryu probably will pass from his cancer.
@Cloud_9_reveiws the game doesn't look like a goodbye to Kiryu for me. SEGA already did saying "goodbye" to Kiryu with 3, 5 and 6, and 8 might follow the same pattern. We'll see on the next game.
@irsyadiaryadiva9430 why we got ichiban then. If it was still kiryus story we'd play as him. We don't. His story is over I garentee.
@@Cloud_9_reveiws we indeed play as Kiryu in 8 tho
@irsyadiaryadiva9430 as a side plot. The games about wrapping up kiryus story to expand on ichibans
My biggest complaint with IW is that the level scaling is too extreme on both ends I think,
Being 2 or 3 levels above someone shouldn't be a death sentence for either party, yet thats exactly what it is, it makes overleveling for most people happen by accident, and completely dismantling the challenge that's supposed to be there.
I personally made sure to always try and match the requirements to the number, but if you're underleveled by 2 or 3, its pretty much night and day, and a I think a worse case scenario is when you're like 4 levels above your bosses, I feel like they should do something about that in Lad 9, maybe add *real* difficulty options?
Hard agree! Glad to see it wasn't just us on Devilleon's Infinite Wealth Spoilercast episode that took issue with the reworked levelling system, compared to Yakuza 7.
after remembering how difficult the Majima & Saejima fight was for me in Y:LaD I made sure I was more than prepared for this fight in Infinite Wealth, only to be so overleveled I completely demolished them without a thought. The build up to the fight is still very cool but I just wish the boss itself was harder
3jima beats 2jima imo for gameplay and narrative connection. 7 and Gaiden have some of the best narrative and gameplay connection fights of the series. I suppose 0's final boss does as well but idk. The rest? Not so much, more standard final challenge/test of the game's mechanics.
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You forgot the Akiyama vs Kiryu fight in 6 when mentioning protagonist bossfights
Correct! Thank you for the reminder
I had the same thought, then thought back to it and sadly, “Kiryu beats the brakes off of Akiyama early in the story in front of a bunch of babies” is not the most auspicious combat note for Akiyama, maybe it’s better it was forgotten. 😢
People still bitching about the turn-based combat should either stop playing Yakuza or grow up
I can understand Daigo being pissed at Kiryu refusing to offer him support, then constantly showing up to smack him down for the decisions he's forced to make in Kiryu's absence.
- Y2 Kiryu beats up Daigo to convince him he has a responsibility to the Tojo clan... because of who his father was?
- Y3 Kiryu is retired and claims to no longer have a responsibility to the Tojo clan, Daigo attempts to respect this. Kiryu guts the senior leadership of the clan (and the one financing the clan) whilst Daigo is in a coma. Most of them were traitors though, but the clan is now weak and lacking funds.
- Y4 Kiryu is retired and claims to no longer have a responsibility to the Tojo clan. Diago seeks a backdoor deal to finance the Tojo he's been left with, given the absence of Mine bankrolling him. Kiryu doesnt suggest any alternatives but is happy to beat down Daigo for the path he's chosen. Kiryu then apologises and says he's learned he does have a responsibility and will support Daigo more in the future.
- Y5 Kiryu is retired, he pretends he doesnt know who Daigo is when he comes asking Kiryu for advice.
- Y6 Kiryu apologies again and says he's learned he does have a responsibility and wishes he'd been able to support Daigo more directly (he learns the same thing he learned at the end of Y4... again), but unfortunately he's 100% dead and therefore cant help in the future.
- Y7/Gaiden oh look Kiryu's been alive this whole time and still hasnt supported Daigo, despite claiming he regretted not supporting Daigo in his "dying letter".
- Y8 "how dare you shirk your responsibility Daigo!"
Disagree on the turn based thing the lost judgement mod legends gauntlet adds a real time version of this fight which genuinely peak its obviously a little jank its a mod but its exactly what it should be it works in real time I feel your thoughts on that come from maybe not playing that mod or not like expecting enough but really had it been official would touch the heights of shishido it only doesn't coz they arnt playable teammates they robbed us...
I definitely think it would work, but I think it would work a whole lot better as the turn based fight it is.
The mod does look amazing, but it stills suffers from the issues pointed out in the video. You either have two of the three Jimas standing by the side doing nothing, or alternatively, have all of them combo you at once. The problem isn't the idea of fighting all of them in a beat-em-up style, it's the messier balancing, compared to the turn-based version.
the ONLY issue is that the game is so extremely easy and you can very easily get super over leveled for this boss without even trying causing the fight to having much less impact because you beat them so easily
IMO RGG has toned down a lot when it comes to mid fight cutscenes and hype moments since Y0 and while this fight was great the reason behind it was kinda lame and very fan service-y.
I thought it was fun in a game-y way but it definitely didn’t hit that emotional note that Yakuza main story moments do. It felt a bit immersion breaking because the fight didn’t serve any purpose to the story itself, just to the player. Like “this fight is happening because we know you want it.. so have at it!”.
PS: I also feel like there’s a weird tone with this fight. We all know Yakuza gets crazy but there’s just something weird about them beating up an old man with cancer and a bunch of civilians just for the sake of it. I don’t know… this entire fight just felt off to me.
I see no issue with the reasoning,
Besides, the fight can both have story purpose and be fan service-y,
Also reducing kiryu to just an "Old man with cancer" and Ichiban's pals as "Just civilians" is a very reductive, especially since 1 of them literally isn't a civilian.
@@Norrabal It's not really about reducing the characters in terms of "power creep", we all know Kiryu is up there in "power level", what I mean is that his party spent most of the game protecting him from having to fight and the man himself appears gassed after a few brawls in multiple cutscenes throughout the game. It's more about the morality of beating up a man with cancer (that needs to stay fresh for the real meaningful fights) than how strong Kiryu is.
And you're right, Seonhee and maybe Zhao far from being just civilians, but still.. Namba and Adachi are. Ichiban isn't part of Kiryu's party.
"Besides, the fight can both have story purpose and be fan service-y,"
I agree, but this fight wasn't one. All these characters matured throughout the games, they can sit down and have a serious conversation. The fact that they beat the hell out of each other for "ol' times sake" was just fan service. And I admitt my "inner, younger self" had a blast with the fight itself, but my 31yo ass thought it kinda ruined a very serious and emotional moment of the story... just a tiny bit.
lol i got spoiled hard
One QTE, no cool Dynamic intro and generic theme for Saejima
Theme song is awesome...first minute, then is repetitive
Would be cool if they improve those concepts
Counterpoint: We don't really need it, their aura carries the intro alone.
Also, Saejima's generic theme, is his theme from 4. Just how it is.
shishido sucked
why do you think that?