My girlfriend watches X-Men: Days of Future Past (Rogue Cut) for the FIRST time
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- After a UA-cam poll, we decided to watch The Rogue Cut of X-Men Days of Future Past.
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The cure wasn't permanent. That's how Rogue and Magneto have their powers back. You can clearly see in the last shot of the Last Stand that Magneto moves that chess piece. So it was already hinted that it wasn't permanent.
I guess, but that's kinda stupid, they were fighting over something thats not even permanent the whole time, i hate that explanation because I fucking love Xmen the last stand, i thought it was amazing, Of course i dont read the comics and i understand why comic readers don't like it. My favourite Xmen movie, followed by this movie, X2, Xmen First Class etc etc (i havent watch apocalypse and dark phoenix yet, or at least watched apocalypse but cant remember a single thing about it so gotta rewatch it)
@@haveidonethisbefore I mean it didn't wear off after a day, it wore off over some length of time, could be weeks or months. Nobody waited to see how permanent it was.
@@stevebragg4256 true, they never actually got a chance to fully test and see how long it lasted before Magneto began his attacks. I mean the kid's power was proximity based and wore off when out of his range. My guess if they had more time it could've been permanent
@@silentassason regardless if they knew it would be permanent or not that completely goes against what magneto believes in and for a lot of them the cure was permanent.
@@haveidonethisbefore The Last Stand is your favorite? Even just by movie standards it's pretty objectively shit, my dude. Like what you like, but this is a weird hill to die on.
I think it’s important to note that that was suppose to be mistique’s first kill. At the moment she decided not to kill, that changed the entire course of her life, meaning she didn’t become a killer. Also, let’s not forget the butterfly effect, her not taking that shot could definitely change the future, the smallest change on a decision in the past, can have a huge effect in the outcomes of the future
Yes, because she killed an important person. That was it
Yup. If the archduke's taxi driver never took a wrong turn, we wouldn't have anime today.
@@littleredruri What is the correlation between Anime and Ferdinand's driver?
The smallest change ...
Exactly why in End Game they were so determined not to disrupt the past anymore than absolutely critical.
@@vinnicinhus44 Theoretically, it could have been pivotal - who knows?
Theoretically, your decision about what to have for breakfast tomorrow, or my decision about whether to wear pink or blue, could change the course of the future.
Interesting concepts ... to a point.
Not interesting enough for me to hesitate before I pick up a 📎 🙂
as for Jean, McAvoy Prof X read wolverines mind so he was aware of the events from x1-3 including jean going dark phoenix and Wolverine killing her so he could have made actions to change the timeline. Still a bit all over the place but I feel like thats explained by that scene.
That's how I always viewed it. The events of the original trilogy weren't completely undone, but Charles was able to make changes regarding Jean to prevent the dark Phoenix events from happening like they did in Last Stand.
Also, they already showed in X3 that the cure was wearing off for Magneto in the post credits, which Holden apparently forgot about.
This is all fixed if we assume this and make Dark Phoenix non canon
Jean's mental blocks only failed when she overtaxed her abilities. As long as she never had to push as hard as she did in the end of X2, it would never have happened
@@mairisberzins8677 i never even accepted Dark Phoenix as canon 😁
@@FatThor55 same. Dark Phoenix is one of only two instances where I refused to acknowledge a film in a series as canon (the other instance being Whedon's version of Justice League). Generally speaking I can still accept a movie as being a canon story even if I take issue with it, but those two I just had to make non-canon in my own head.
It’s been established that, in the x-men universe, JFK’s mutant ability was a minor form of telepathy with which he could convinced people to do what he wished them to. So basically like professor X but not as strong.
And we all know what he used that for :)
@@awc80 for what?
Banging Marilyn Monroe
@@googleislame Bingo :)
Kinda like logans girlfriend in origins
Jen fan-squealing over the revelation that JFK was a mutant was so cute.
Never knew someone who liked JFK that much lol
@@passarovoador6662 No way😭
@The Cracked Lenses Wow, thats weird
But very interesting
@@passarovoador6662 what!!?? Smh.
@@passarovoador6662 He supported Cesar Chavez who helped immigrants, mostly Hispanics.
At the end of X-Men 3, it actually shows Magnito's powers returning to him naturally meaning that the cure wasn't permanent.
Not necessarily. Could probably mean that he still had some of his power, just a little bit.
Yeah between him and Rogue, it’s assumed the mutant cure was not permanent
@@vinnicinhus44 No it was literally a way of showing that the cure wasn’t permanent.
“The cure” clearly wasn’t powerful enough to permanently erase their mutations, shown by Magneto in the end of The Last Stand, so it makes sense that he and Rogue both have their full powers again. The cure wasn’t tested for long-term durability.
That’s how I always took it. I’m glad I’m not the only one. Sometimes people take thinks as written in stone and don’t try to think of the possibilities not shown.
Jen, Mystique's act of mercy didn't make the world see that mutants are good. It just convinced them that not all mutants are bad. Meaning that mutants became second-class citizens rather than a persecuted minority. At least in the United States.
I like James mcavoy talking about what else could explain a bullet curving when he was in Wanted which they learned to curve a bullet.
That was a nice in joke.
That was such a fun movie
To explain Kitty's new power: it's a secondary mutation, which often occurs to mutants in the comics. For example, Toad went through a secondary mutation that gave him the ability to breathe fire and Gambit went through a secondary mutation that gave him the power to hypnotize.
It's kinda sad we will never get to see Gambit's solo movie
@@manuelarnauda I'm okay with that, as long as Tatum remained attached to it. He is NOT a good actor, and was a terrible choice for Remy.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media u know I really wanted to see the movie, but from the very beggining we knew It wasn't working. Hopefully they'll choose a great actor to play him in the MCU
How does she realize that she can do that in the comics? Is there a reason the comic writers made it another mutation rather than an expert-level extension and understanding of her base power? Just curious
The original story in the comics had Rachel Summers transferring Kate Rasputin's psyche back through time via the Phoenix Force to her younger body as Kitty Pryde to prevent the assassination of Senator Kelly in order to prevent the dark future of the Sentinels. Kate was killed and lost in the timestream later on, and Rachel Summers jumped to the past and ended up on the team with her father Cyclops and rooming with Kitty Pryde. The girls eventually ended up on the team named Excalibur and found Widget. The mystery of Widget proved to be a merging of Kate Rasputin's mind with the warping of space and time.
I never knew there was another cut of this movie. I honestly prefer the Rogue cut more than the theatrical cut. I do agree with the ending, it should have actually been Stryker that didn’t really make sense. When they pull him out of the river on that metal grate, it almost looks exactly like the one he was on when he was in the tank being experimented on
but that would have destroyed the canon of the wolverine origin stories completely...
It would have been better to do a red glow instead of the yellow, with the second end credits scene ... would have meant N. Essex... Sinister cameo, 'nough said.
for the magneto thing, he controls electromagnetism not just magnetic metal so he can move all metal as well as electromagnetic fields. at least in the comics.
in the films i can't remember him not being able to control a metal, just plastics and polymers.
it kinda weakens the moment if it's not the same coin he's been carrying for years just to satisfy an old description.
in the comics he first power was magnetic metal like the movies, but second mutation made him electromagnetism.
@@donaldcurry1020 No. Because in the very first X-Men comic he takes over a military base by putting a magnetic field around it.
yeah, Magneto is somewhat similar to Storm in that his powers are a type of energy manipulation
Magneto has always been based around electromagnetism since day 1 in the comics but to what degree changes a lot - the reason he is able to fly is by riding Earth's geomagnetic field (a circulating electric current) - the only reason he doesn't create electromagnetic force fields in the movies I'm guessing is (1) budget (2) make him weaker for story reasons
also, one of the earliest episodes of X-Men 90s animated series shows Magneto absorbing lightning blasts from Storm where he taunts back "don't you know electricity and magnetism are related?!" - it's also partially why Storm's eyes go white is because she's able to see energy currents (like Monica Rambeau does in WandaVision episode 7)
Manipulation of magnetic material is probably easier and would explain why he wouldn't be able to move the coin so early on.
In the comics im pretty sure the only metal he cant manipulate is vibranium because of its extraterrestrial elements. Which is strange because he can manipulate uru i believe
Here are my theories on a couple of the plot holes Holden mentions at the end...
Magneto was shown to wiggle the chess piece at the end of Last Stand which implies that the ant-mutagen cure was only temporary.
Professor X is a powerful telepath and can make people see him as his former self, even if his body is technically a different body he is a strong enough telepath to make people see him however he wants. I have no answers for any of the other inconsistencies though.
Most of his gripes are due to him not knowing the material that well.
I thought the same thing about Professor X, it's nice i wasn't the only one with that theory.
@@MattRowland exactly! Lol
The biggest thing that Holden doesn’t understand is that this movie was meant to erase the events of X3 as if it never happened. Most hated X-3 and we got 1st class because of how poorly the movie was received. They followed it up with another poorly received movie in Wolverine origins. So after 1st class, Fox looked to reconcile the whole franchise with attempting to erase the “bad movies” from continuity while keeping the good things.
However, it’s still extremely messy when it comes to the timelines and many many plot holes regarding Mystique. The easiest way to understand what happened is that this movie ONLY changed the original movie timeline. The future that was shown was from the original films and that the timeline for the new films was unknown and not yet written.
Doesn't necessarily mean that the cure was temporary. Could mean that he still had just a bit of power
It's a shame the "Rogue Cut" wasn't the one released in the theaters. It's definitely an improvement on the theatrical cut.
That was always something that was kinda weird in the theatrical cut, while Mystique's powers were "what the Sentinels needed to adapt to other mutants", it was actually a mixture of Rogue and Mystique's powers that allowed the Sentinels to copy other mutant powers and use them. That's why you see the Sentinels gaining the powers of Colossus, Iceman, etc after they touch them, but pretty sure they only mention something about that in the Rogue Cut...
Even then, to be able to adapt and change like that in battle, they'd need DNA from even more mutants. Hell, Darwin would have made more sense.
The Sentinels don't really copy their powers, they just develop an immunity to them.
@@parkerboy795 Yeah, I didn't even think of that! Darwin's powers (or actually, a mix of all three) would have been a great explanation, if only they hadn't killed him off in First Class... he's too OP and I suppose they couldn't have him soloing all the villains, haha.
@@TheSmokingSkull if Jean is alive with her phoenix power she could have atomised all sentinels instantly
@@parkerboy795 But they DID have DNA from other mutants. That's why Trask's portfolio contained files of mutants that had been experimented on. That's why the future Sentinels can shoot energy beams, grow claws, climb walls, fly etc. However, Rogue's and Mystique's DNAs were the most important ones because they allowed them to mimic and adapt to pretty much any power and make optimal use of all of the other collected abilities.
So Mystique's blood didn't exactly create the Sentinels, it was just the scientific breakthrough that LED to the creation of the future Sentinels.
They do mention Charles "killing" his twin's consciousness with his powrs while they were still in the womb... It's a throwaway line so thats probably why you didn't realize.
Totally forgot about it. In which film they said that?
@@Greed97 X3 The Last Stand. Holden simply forgets about all this or didn't pay attention.
I would've thought he's the reason the parents are gone. He stomped away and they followed watching the other one but that's another example of no juggernaut presence.
"When my mother was pregnant with me, they did an ultrasound and found she was having twins. When they did another ultrasound a few weeks later, they discovered that I had resorbed the other fetus. Do I regret this? No. I believe his tissues has made me stronger. I now have the strength of a grown man and a little baby." - Professor X (X-Men The Last Stand)
The film was a box office and critical success, making $770 million dollars against a $200 million dollar budget and holds 92% on RT, considered to be the best X Men Movie Ever made. Definitely my favorite X men movie of all time. Everyone was so hyped to see Apocalypse bc of this movie only to be left so disappointed smh.
Apocalypse hurt so much
Logan better
Apocalypse first two thirds were great imo. The last third did nothing for me sadly though
I was super hyped with the Apocalypse end credit scene and was super let down when I saw the movie 😅
@@Henry-fn1zw Same here, but DotFP was also great
As great as the Quicksilver scene in this is, the one in the 3rd movie is not only the best scene in that movie but one of the best scenes in any superhero movies.
And then along came ZSJL and the ultimate speedster scene took the crown. Agree though, it was awesome.
@@Linerunner99 I find The Eternals- Makaari was the best theatrical speedster portrayal so far.
@@Linerunner99 no i dont think that scene was that good
ZSJL was amazing, i loved it. But that scene doesnt beat any of the 2 Quicksilver ones when you compare it by coolness
@@FatThor55 Barry saving the entire universe not as good as QS KOing a few guards and running some people out of a building? Respectfully..... you're nuts.
@@Linerunner99 big lies but I’m sure it’s your DC fan side showing
This came out in 2014, two years after the first Avengers. Because of this, this film always felt like the X-men’s response to the shared cinematic universe concept Marvel was doing at the time. Everyone from all the movies prior “comes together” in this one
2014 was a really good year for movies. It had Days of Future Past, Winter Soldier, How To Train Your Dragon 2, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, The Lego Movie, Guardians of the Galaxy and Interstellar.
@@vetarlittorf1807 True, 2014 was an incredible year for films. 2013 is way more overlooked though imo
@@vetarlittorf1807 TRUE. I feel like it was also the year the big blockbuster films became more wildly accepted. Everyone loved the first avengers and had fun with it. But winter soldier, Days of Future past and GotG showed comic books films can be more than just flicks
And it was glorious
The director actually did say that it's a twin brother in the official audio commentary for X-3.
As for why Xavier is still in a wheelchair, remember that the new body has never walked since birth. It'll likely be impossible for him to physically move.
Magneto having his powers back was also literally shown in the ending of X-3 and "The Wolverine", basically telling us the cure wasn't permanent. I'm surprised Holden forgot since he went wide-eyed with Jen when Magneto moved the chess piece with his powers.
Also I like how back in the X-3 reaction, Holden said the post credit scene about Charles didn't go anywhere, when it was meant for future films such as this and Logan.
Remember, always watch in release order! Personally, I think The "Wolverine Trilogy" idea back in "My Friend Watches" was bad. it was like watching Thor 1, 2 and 3 without any of the other movies.
This
The problem with the whole twin thing is that its not properly adress in the movie, and the cure being not permanent made the whole movie pointless.
@@haveidonethisbefore
Holden accepted the fact that Cap was always worthy since AoU because the Russo's said so in interviews (they didn't even direct it). In comparison, it should also be fair for the official audio commentary to be considered a confirmation.
I don't disagree it cheapens the movie, my point is they were both still addressed in the ending of X3 and The Wolverine.
I don't think they "forgot" about the scene with the chess piece. That just doesn't explain WHY the powers come back. Was the cure not permanent? Were they so powerful their mutations overcame it? Was an antidote found to counter act it? Along with any other ideas. At least that's how I understood them being curious.
@@Insomniaisthenameofthischannel I don't know how Cap came into this conversation, but even though the Russo's said it, it's possible it's something Kevin and other writers set up. If I remember correctly, I think Kevin Feigee mentioned how Cap being cut off from saying Assemble in AoU was set up for Endgame. I believe there's also end points, guidelines set ups, and such given to the writers of the movies so it can have some connective gel.
Now in my opinion I would say Cap was worthy when he nose dived the plane, and for Love and Thunder Jane was probably worthy when she jumped in front of Thor during Dark World. I'm not sure how one is determined worthy, or if there's rules set up in the comics, but making sacrifices like that is kind of a board thing to make some worthy. So I'm not sure.
For some reason the continuity issues just don’t bother me, and I like Jen’s point of things being open to interpretation. Other than Logan this is easily my favorite x men movie! My opinion but this is probably in my top 15 favorite movies of all time because I just enjoy it so so much! Definitely a guilty pleasure movie of mine
Days of Future Past and Logan are for sure in my top 20 movies of all time. I haven’t seen the Rogue Cut tho
Hugh Hackman said that for this scene where he was shirtless he dehydrated himself for like 2 days so that his skin had less volume and just laid on his muscles. That’s why he looked so ripped.
Like a bodybuilder light version
Also, Chris Claremont, the author of the comic this movie is based on, makes a cameo as one of the senators.
The mutants are still the enemy but Trask was the head behind the sentinel program and killing him would mean that he was right so they’d go on with the sentinel program but changing that made them rethink things and change the future
This. The problem was mainly the Sentinel program. Bigotry and fear towards mutants is a constant, but that doesn't always lead to a mutant genocide future.
OK so I didn't want to screw this up, so I did some digging...
Magneto’s abilities are essentially limitless. He can manipulate all forms of magnetism, summon force fields and shoot electromagnetic pulses that can disable electronic devices. He can assemble complex machinery in seconds and manipulate the iron in blood to take control of people’s actions. He has even shown power over forms of energy on the electromagnetic spectrum like visible light and gamma rays, though he rarely uses these abilities. On top of these gifts Magneto possesses genius level intelligence in multiple technical fields and genetic engineering. He is a brilliant tactician, a natural born leader and, though he rarely demonstrates it, a trained hand-to-hand combatant.
When they where in the Maximoff house, the little girl, is not wanda, her mutant name is Polaris and has basically the same powers as magneto.
"I'm waiting for Wolverine"
Hurts my jaded X-Men heart.
Well that's what happens since the movies focused so heavily on him.
@@parkerboy795 Other than his own solo movies, the movies haven't focused on him since 2009.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Even then, it's already done. Some people, mostly movie viewers, can't see an X-Men without Wolverine. It also doesn't help that the other characters didn't get as much development and focus as he did besides Charles, Erik, and Mystique.
@@parkerboy795 Maybe for the generation that grew up with the original movies, but not to the ones that grew up with the reboot.
@@vetarlittorf1807 True, but they switched Wolverine for other characters. The team as a whole didn't get much development.
This is one of the best comic book movies in my opinion. Personally, I've always had a problem with stories using the Terminator rules for time travel because they just create paradoxes and logical inconsistencies, so you kinda have to not think too hard about this film's interpretation of time travel and how the flow and change of time between eras work, but if you can reasonably suspend your disbelief, this is a dope film. The performances are great. There's a ton of interwoven threads between the movies, and there's a load of dramatic tension. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Hugh Jackman, James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, Peter Dinklage and Nicholas Hoult, and even Jennifer Lawrence (who increasingly phones it in from here on out) are all great. This is probably my favorite titled X-Men movie. There are a lot of flawed movies in this series, but I genuinely believe X2, First Class, DOFP, Logan, Deadpool and DP2 are all genuinely great movies (and I really like a couple of the other ones too).
If you're still scratching your head over inconsistencies like why is Bolivar Trask a regular-sized black man in The Last Stand, but a white little person in Days of Future Past 40 years earlier or why William Stryker is completely different from one movie to the next, or even why Emma Frost is an adult in First Class but a teenager in Origins, just chalk it up to ripple effects of time travel paradoxes in the timeline or just ignore X-Men Origins: Wolverine altogether. Because that movie kinda blows and everybody basically agrees, that's pretty much what every movie after Origns does anyway, so there's really no point in trying to help it make sense in the context of these newer movies. As classic as the DOFP comic is, this might be one of the rare instances where I might actually prefer the loose adaptation to the original story the film uses for inspiration. When Wolverine changed the past, he woke up in his present day, just in the altered reality. Some things are the same and other things are different for the sole reason that the timeline changed. People made different choices, so maybe some things in previous movies happened exactly as we remember, maybe events only partially happened, or maybe some things didn't happen at all. Bottom line, a different timeline creates different choices and a different future. As you see in future movies after this one (X-Men: Apocalypse, X-Men Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, Deadpool, Logan, and Deadpool 2) which all exist in this new timeline, there are still enemies, threats and plots against mutants. Magneto absolutely caused his own share of problems, so they didn't necessarily get a happily ever after. They just avoided the dystopian Sentinel future, because it was (apparently) the murder of Bolivar Trask that convinced the government to develop those advanced future Sentinels in order to wipe out the mutants in the first place. We just have to accept that Trask not dying results in those advanced Sentinels not being created. Now the world's opinion of mutants is no longer clean cut. There are still people who hate mutants and want to exterminate, control or neutralize the mutant population, but now not everyone thinks the mutants are all evil and are all looking to destroy them. A big change is that the X-Men became public superheros rather than the hidden covert operation they were in the original films. There's definitely much more nuance to the world in the following movies after this one.
Very well said, trying to wrap your head around time travel and trying to figure out what will change or not change is futile, we can never say, but to just think of it as different choices are made and some choices stay the same, but ultimately a new future evolves.
keep in mind: just because a timeline is changed, that doesn't mean EVERYTHING happens differently. a lot of the things that happened in the original timeline would still have happened in the changed timeline.
Not really. This movie erased everything from Xmen 1-3 and origins:Wolverine
@@tmac731 I don't think you understand time travel and alternate timelines. When characters in a movie go back in time and change things, that does not mean everything gets "erased". It only means that some things are changed, while other things stay the same. Look at BACK TO THE FUTURE, for example. At the end of the movie, some things are different, Marty's family is more sophisticated and successful, whereas Biff is not. But they still live in the same house. Marty still has the same girlfriend. So clearly a lot of things happened the same way as in the original timeline. There's no logical basis for your assumption that everything would be "erased". Why would it be? If you changed one detail in the past, countless things would remain unaffected by the change.
@@tmac731 It erased a few things from X3 and 2, but not really that much other than character deaths and a few key moments.
@@ElevenEvilExes I understand how time travel works in the movies but considering the X-Men timeline is fucked up I just like to pretend X-Men 1-3 and origins:Wolverine doesn’t exist anymore. That’s how I explained it to my gf when we watched the reboot/sequel
@@tmac731 if literally everything was erased, why would mutants and the X-men still exist? Why would the world or the universe still exist?
Since this hasn’t yet actually happened IRL, we’re all speculating. There are no “facts” to rely on.
I think it’s always best to just go into X-Men movies thinking: Same characters, different story. And never think to much on how any of it applies to the other films.
Every super hero or franchise film.
But if you do it connects though
The movie was a box office and critical success, making $770 million dollars against a $200 million dollar budget. It holds 92% on RT and it's considered to be the best X-Men Movie Ever Made.
*Cough* Logan *Cough*
@@dogomania694 X 2 as well 🎉
For the franchise to cast 4 different actors to play Charles and Eric and hit 4 home runs with 4 amazing performances is really incredible
I love Jen's reactions to this movie. She was cracking me up the whole time with her faces and reactions.
When does the Daredevil season 2 episode 2 Video get released?
Because im confused because i thought the Videos come on monday and friday
Can someone pls clarify this? Now only 1 vid per Week on monday or?
In the Writers' Commentary on "The Last Stand", they state that the body Charles goes into is his twin brother, who was brain-dead since birth; and their parents paid to keep him alive artificially. It's not a fan-theory, it's the writers' own words. Also, in "The Last Stand", you see Erik's powers come back at the very end when he makes the chess piece wiggle. The mutant cure was never a one-and-done shot; because when mutants were around the boy whose powers generated the cure, there was a radius of effect. When you were in it, your mutation was suppressed. But when you were out of it, your powers would come back. So even though Erik and Rogue both lost their powers for a time, it was only temporary.
As for inconsistencies, there isn't a concrete explanation in the films, but the way I've always seen it is similar to the explanation given in the Flashpoint in DC: similar to how breaking the sound barrier creates a sonic boom, breaking the time barrier creates a time boom. If you break time, the effects don't move linearly, they move in all directions, affecting the past beyond the point of re-entry. So Logan changing time in this movie affects events and people before it, where Charles and Erik parted ways when they were younger and Charles was paralyzed before losing his hair.
22:12 about Magneto "He's so freaking powerful"
well, that's an Omega Level Mutant for you😉
So are Bobby and Remy. But you know, screw them, right?
@@vinnicinhus44 Nah, I kinda mention them every reaction😂
Jean, Bobby, Ororo, Erik...😂
But since they commented over him...
@@vinnicinhus44 Remy is not an Omega. Bobby, Jean, and Ororo are.
Remy is not even on par with the Summers brothers.
@@CaptainFrost32 Remy was in one comic I read. Something about a clone of his being sent back to the past. This clone had his abilities, but enhanced to the max. During this whole scenario, I think Remy learned to enhance himself, and achieved Omega level, being able to control every sort of Kinetic Energy.
I might be wrong, tho. Maybe it was just the clone that had the Omega Capabilities.
@@vinnicinhus44 It was the New Son storyline as Mister Sinister kept enhancing Gambit's clone. In an alternate timeline, New Son went supernova, destroying Earth and became the dominant star in the solar system.
Magneto has his powers In the future BC it's implied by the final scene in last stand with Magneto using his powers to move the chess piece that the "cure" was only temporary or had less of an effect on more powerful mutants. I think it was just a temporary cure as beast stabbed Magneto with like 4 doses so I doubt it was less effective
This day has finally came. This movie is so special to me, I’m so excited to see your reactions.
actually is not a theory
there are already 2 Mutant-related movies in MCU, I don't remember if Phase 4 or Phase 5 or undefined:
-"Third Deadpool Movie"
-"Unnamed Mutant Movie"
As far as the events that changed, remember young professor x looked into Logan’s mind and saw everything that happened in the original trilogy. So young Charles knew what was going to happen and what to do differently. That is why the timeline was perfect at the end.
Logan also flat out told him who to find.
@@MattRowland very true as well
I love the ending for this movie, it is prefection basically
Its the main reason i haven't watched Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. Its just a perfect bow to the main X-men series. Logan being the epilogue.
@@MikeyA5693 dark phoenix rlly is trash tho oml my family wasted money watching that film in theatres 😭 it's good that u havent watched it just dont watch it at all HAHAAH
of course scumbag Bryan Singer with Apocalypse had to ruin it.
23:20 “ I want a few minutes with the beast first” 🤣🤣🤣
Rogue took the cure as well as Megneto, in X-3 they showed how Eric was trying to use his powers on chess figure, and it moved slightly, so this cure is not permament or stronger mutants somehow can overcome it's effect.
And changing the history thingy, Trusk is no longer in charge of anti-mutant weapon program meaning no more super Sentinels. Plus even doe this timeline is new doesnt mean everything happened differently
Magneto got his powers back at the end of X-Men 3. It's the last scene of the movie with him playing chess in the park and he makes the chess piece move.
What I appreciate about this movie is that Beast looks a lot better than he did in First Class 🤣
2:49 "I don't remember this, this might've been cut from the theatrical" got me dying out here
At 14:51 when they say “go bug your sister” they’re talking about Polaris/Lorna Dane, she’s the third child of Magneto that they teased at forever until they confirmed it around like 2002/2003. I had a few friends that asked me the same thing lol
Now, go watch 'The Gifted".
Polaris is actually in the scene you watch. The other sister upstairs is actually Wanda.
in x-3 i think to remember there was a scene where magneto tried to move something metallic and just when he moved it a tiny bit the movie ended
so he never really lost them fully, they slowly "grew" back, maybe it was an extended version? was a long time ago
btw, Storm didn't show up a lot, in the future, because Halle Berry was pregnant when filming
that had her get a very small role and they had to deal with her mommy belly to not show up
There's a deleted scene in X-Men 3 where it shows Xavier in the other body at with Dr. Moira glancing over when he speaks. That's why he had the consciousness transfer talk with the students prior. Hope that helped
That's not a deleted scene. That's a post-credit scene.
Cyclops and his brother don’t have a 20 year age gap Holden…😂, they are both in apocalypse lmao
There's a great Film Theory episode about Magneto's powers that supports the silver coin explanation. Also I love how Jen is camouflaged
The quicksilver scene is Hands Down the coolest, most unique and fun scene in the movie.
Definitely
Oh yeah for sure for sure
'Logan' takes place in the good future part of 'Future Past' and you see in 'logan' that the Cure still have been made and all of that, and Mutants still is seen as the enemies and Professor X killed all of his friends etc
“Enhanced liberty” put me in tears 😂😂 perfect JFK mutant ability
*In the comic books,* Rogue is able to take powers and keep them for long periods [basically for as long as the story needs], one set, Carol Danvers, was accidentally taken permanently.
I just want to say that you guy and a very small handful of channels actually get me genuinely excited when a new video gets released. I love the dynamic between you two and it feels like all 3 of us are watching the film
In the comics it was Kitty Pryde who was sent back in time, sent by her friend Rachel Summers from the future (who had the ability to send people’s minds through time).
In this movie they had to find a way to get around the fact that kitty Pryde wasn’t alive in the 70s and also to try to center Wolverine in a story that he’s a side character at best
17:32 i searched up what powers jkf had in marvel/xmen universe and it says he had telepathy ( mind control ) which i think is very interesting.
If i could be a mutant from this film it would easily be quicksilver, his powers are a cheatcode to life 🤣
Although it could also end up being incredibly boring, seeing as the world is moving at a snail's pace from your pov.
I would surely choose Jean's powers. Telekinesis is my go to ability if I could choose one.
@@SWTobito0702 Waiting in line at counters and ATM behind the slow paced...
The thing about the brain dead guy being his twin is not a fan theory. It's cannon. He took the place of Cassandra Nova in the comics, who was conceived without a body, Cassandra improvised one by copying Xavier's DNA to make her own body, effectively becoming his twin sister.
This movie was critical and commerical success (at 700 million+, which isn't that big in comparison to other franchises, but it was big for them, especially when they tried competing with the MCU were just starting to dominate the space). As a movie it's a fun ride, as an adaptation it's pretty solid (Simon Kinberg writing peaked here), but once you think about it as whole, there's some issues.
Originally, Kitty Pryde went back in time to her younger body, but since the inciting incident was set in the 70's, gotta have someone who was there, so Wolverine is the star of the show, for better or for worst when the most infamous X-Men directors loves this character.
Combining both timelines was pretty cool, but as you think about it, and as time goes on, it gets way messier. Like characters are born earlier, people die sooner, and other things that become glaring, like aging... Oh boy lol
What Jen brought up about Magneto still making mutants a threat with the stadium ALWAYS bothered me. After this, mutants aren't hated as much, which is fine, but you gotta earn it more (which they kinda do later I guessed)
Mystique was so big as a presence here afterwards because Jennifer Lawrence was the biggest actress at the time, and here, this is the last time she puts in effort to be in these movies.
Some characters that mean a bit more:
Blink - she's a pink elf looking woman who can throw energy daggers that teleport things or make portals... Which is pretty accurate for the movie, be great of she had more lines, but The Gifted gave her way more to do.
Sunspot - Member of The New Mutants, he could charge himself with solar energy and look like a living sunspot. Giving him super strength, and durability, and heat powers. Here, he's the Human Torch... Okay?
Bishop - From a different alternate future, he can absorb and energy and redirect it. He's been in so much stuff, usually stopping Apocalypse.
Warpath - Native American mutant who has super strength, durability, and senses. Here he looks like his X-Force era self.
Peter's youngest sister "Polaris?" - I think is there version of Polaris, Magneto's daughter with the same powers. Like Blink, The Gifted gave her way more to do.
The Sentinels - The movie does a pretty good job with them (Not a fan the 70's design. Dyson Vacuum looking things), but what bothers me a bit is that they use Mystique's DNA to adapt to other mutants... You know who has the better power set for them to learn from... Darwin... Never gonna get over that.
And that's my little Ted Talk of the day, and it only gets worse from me here onwards lol
This movie actually came out a year before Age of Ultron, and about the same time as Winter Soldier. So Quicksilver was introduced in this movie, and simultaneously in the post credit scene of Winter Soldier along with Scarlet Witch.
I think the series has good enough explanations for your "continuity errors". Magneto was already shown getting his powers back at the end of X3, so the "cure" was clearly only temporary. We know Professor X went into the comatose body. It is strongly implied in the movie that it is his twin brother, he talks about that hypothetical scenario earlier in X3. Also even if the body didn't look like him, he could project an image of himself into those around him to make them see him as himself. Professor X could use Beast's serum to walk around when he's older. It would be weird for him to still use it if it took away his powers, but Beast could've improved it to allow the Professor to walk when needed and still have powers. Rogue had the white in her hair because the events of X1 still happened in the new timeline. The Professor didn't need to stop that to save any of his students from dying. It doesn't take much of a leap in logic to get to these explanations.
Well said, but still, they did a pretty bad job with the contuinity, they start having a bit of contuinity problems in Xmen origins.
And then they just straight up fked everything in First Class
@@haveidonethisbefore Yeah there are still some issues with the series continuity, I just don't think the points Holden is bringing up are valid.
Magneto getting his powers back in this movie is explained in X-men 3. In the final scene Magneto moves the chess piece implying that the cure was already beginning to wear off on him. That’s why characters like Magneto and Rogue were back to full power in Days of Future Past. The “cure” was obviously just temporary and the mutant gene could combat it and overcome it.
I've never seen the Rogue cut, just heard how it's the better one but just from these clips alone, I can tell it elavates the movie so much. Definitely need to see it in full sometime.
I mean, it may not look THAT much difference, but paying attention to details from her scene when watching it yourself, you'd totally see how an improvement it is😉
When Jen said that she would want to be Mystique, I couldn't believe Holden didn't suggest a cos-play 😁
She should have watched The Wolverine first, as it had a setup to Days of Future Past (unless she did and these are being released out of order), but THANK YOU for watching the Rogue Cut!! And I'll say again, watch the R-rated Extended Cut of The Wolverine, whenever you do watch it ;-]
Edit: aaaaand just got to the part where Holden mentions that Jen did see the other Wolverine movies, so... great! Nothing to worry about ;-]
Was she there when Matt saw it?
@@AceofRogues Maybe she was, if so then great! I'm probably worrying about nothing then, haha. But I was just assuming Holden and Jen were going to watch all the X-Men movies, as they already watched the original trilogy, First Class, and DoFP...
@@TheSmokingSkull she was in the reaction with Matt :)
did u watch before commenting? they address this just past the 4 min mark lol
@@jeffdeighan7581 Lol nope, I was watching it as I commented, and then right when I posted, I got to that part where Holden mentioned it...
"They never brought up how Magneto got his powers back. They also never addressed how Professor X is back".
Actually, the ending of X3: The Last Stand already showed us how Magneto got his powers back and how Professor X came back. When Magneto attempted to move the chess piece without touching it, you can see it slightly move so this showed that the cure was only temporary. Plus, director Brett Ratner pointed out that the coma patient is in fact Xavier's twin brother and he transferred his consciousness into his brother's body.
One thing of Jean and Scott being back, was that Professor X saw what happens in Logan's mind. A far off theory could be that Professor prevents those events. Just My theory.
Yup
I like watching these. It's like getting a condensed version of a movie while also seeing someone watch it for the first time.
Thank you and the people that voted on the poll. The Rogue Cut is SO much better than the original cut. I always respect people's opinions, but if anyone says the original is better than they are just plain wrong. 😛 Ever since I saw the RC, I am actually unable to watch the theatrical version anymore.
Btw, I don't know if you have seen the old X-Men: animated series, but you should totally watch that with Jen (on your own time of course, it's too much to react to) I think she would like it. Like she said she likes the idea of the mutants but some of the movies don't really hit for her (understandable) but the animated series is what made me a huge diehard X-Men fan that's saying something considering that I never read the comics. Great reaction as always and I hope you and Jen have a blessed day.💚
14:19 Jen, they did that in the comics with the whole Onslaught storyline in the 90's.
I wonder if they going talk about the event of X-Men Days of future Past in Dr Strange multiverse of Madness later this year because of the Time traveling issue
okay im sorry i just have to mention this. The big reveal of Charles coming back was in the after credits scene of the wolverine, which is canonically set before this film. The after credits scene shows charles and Magneto finding wolverine and wolverine has a big reaction to charles still being alive because the last time he saw him was just before he died in xmen the last stand. It isn't a soft reboot at all, it flows perfectly. And yes i know it is a little convenient that he has a twin brother but all im saying is i genuinely think it would have been a good idea to rewatch the wolverine and see that after credits scene.
I was always under the impression Magneto could move all metals... the magnetism part was a nickname, at least until he shifted the magnetic poles of the planet in comics. I could be wrong about the all metals bit though...
Most bullets are lead and copper, and he stops plenty of those. So...
slugs that have steel in them aren't unusual, but are not the norm for police weapons.
His power is to generate electromagnetic fields. Metal is just more susceptible to his powers.
I remember when this came out in theatres, it was such a big deal to see Cyclops at the end of the film. Every other original trilogy cast member was confirmed to return, but there was no word on James Marsden coming back. His cameo at the end was a huge surprise that had everyone cheering (especially given how unceremoniously he was killed off in Last Stand).
Holden can you react x men apocalyspe with your girlfriend after you days of future past
"Professor goes bad" was a storyline in the comics. It was the Onslaught story where his subconscious was letting loose and causing havok without him even knowing.
Jen's Reaction to the end credits sequence - 'WHAT?!?' sums up everyone's thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse XD
I love how it’s gone from a living room setup to “let’s just stay in bed. F it.” Why not? I’m here for it!
I remember being so emotionally invested in this movie and these characters when this came out. I cried when everyone returned at the end. I think that moment isn’t as impactful when you marathon the franchise and you don’t have all the years in between movies to truly understand how long it’s been since they were gone. Not negative, just a fact.
Oh and this is the last good Xmen movie. Sorry Jen 💔
But bot the last good movie in the Franchise. DP 1 and 2, and Logan were all pretty good movies.
A ton to unpack in this one. Y’all talked about a lot of stuff in this one after. Love how y’all analyze everything at the end.
The only question of continuity that might be able to be somewhat explained is how they get their powers back after “the cure” at the end of X3. It wasn’t really a cure, but more like a treatment. Similar to how Beast and Prof. X would inject themselves every so often to be able to blend in and walk. “The cure” should have been a continuous treatment for the rest of their lives for it to suppress their powers. The cure didn’t make them human by changing their DNA, it just kept them from using their powers like the little mutant kid when they were near him. Once they left the area where he was at, they got their powers back. That’s why after some undisclosed amount of time after the events at Rykers Island, you can see Magneto subtly move the chess piece. He was already getting his powers back.
One thing I definitely agree with, is the change in Mystique. Rebecca’s was way better because she was actually mysterious. She wasn’t as prominent a character as the rest of the cast and you believed she was another person until the reveal. J-Law’s mystique, I’m guessing because of J-Law’s popularity right after the two hunger games movies that followed first class, was made as a more central character. The stories started to revolve around her after first class because in the studios eyes, “J-Law sells tickets. Make her important.”
Still my favorite young X-Men film right now. And the Rogue Cut of course is better and helps to explain how the sentinels found the group. In the original cut it doesn’t explain how they were found, they just were. Which is why the sentinel group that comes after them is much larger than on the beginning.
Didn’t care for the “new and improved” sentinels though. The original one seen in the danger room of X3 is what I was looking forward to. The fact that they can mimic powers because of mystiques ability is bonkers to me. Mystique can’t copy powers. She just changes the way she looks. But J-Law sells tickets.
Just to add on to your comment about the sentinels and mimicking powers, don't forget because of the Rogue cut we learn she has be a prisoner foe however long and been used for experimentation, so they easily could of used her DNA/power and along with Mystics and I cooperated the two into the new more powerful Sentinals that are seen in the future and now can also use other or take on other mutant powers, at least that's how I see it.
Holden...In The Last Stand they show Magneto didn't really lose his powers with the tease of him moving the chess piece....what are you on about at 31:38?
They only show that he still had a bit. No indication that It would return to his past self
@@vinnicinhus44 Still had it though right?
@@elsimbololander yeah, but like 2% only?
yesss!!
time for my fav thing: Time Travel stuff!!
and with some Rogue juice!
This is the best X-Men movie and one of the best comic book movies ever made imo.
you saying you’re forgetting one then adding all 13 is hilarious 😂
Just a note on why changing "one event" would have such large consequences-- the original event was a simple one man assassination at the treaty signing, none of the other events of this movie happened. Changing it from a lone mutant assassination to this insane spectacle with the stadium, huge battle, etc. would definitely have changed public opinion a lot differently. I will agree though that it's hard to imagine it turning out *better* with this timeline.
Well it can be argued it didn't get better... Logan happens in the new timeline.
In X3, When Prof X was teaching kids if a healthy body, with no brain function, can existing subconscious jump from one body to another. He was talking about his brother, which you see in end credit scene in X3 with Moira waking up.
Best x men imo
In the comic book story it was Kitty that goes back to prevent Senator Kelly from being murdered. In later stories he becomes an ally of X-Men when they save his wife(if I recall correctly). The Comic story was more concise and powerful. Kitty was sent back during a last stand in the Baxter Building where all of the x-men died.
The Sentinels in this movie are way scarier and deadlier than in the comics. This movie is one of the few times when they actually improve upon something in the comics. In the comics, the Sentinels were often rather goofy and too easily taken down. Heck, there was one time in the comics where a Sentinel simply dropped dead because a random beam of light overloaded its sensors. The only times the comics made a Sentinel intimidating is when they created a super Sentinel like Bastion.
This movie is also surprisingly accurate to the comics. The main difference is that Mystique was trying to assassinate Senator Kelly, not Bolivar Trask. Kitty sent herself back her younger self rather than sending Wolverine. And in the comics the Sentinels only took over the US, not the entire world.
Still, this is one of the greatest comic book movies ever made. In fact, 2014 was a really great movie year.
What I also love is that this is (and MAYBE X3) the only movie that does justice to Storm and shows her being a great leader and uses her powers in an interesting way (like creating a massive blizzard to slow down the Sentinel carriers, charging up Bishop and combing her power with Magneto's to take down a horde of Sentinels). The whole teamwork the mutants show against the future Sentinels is really creative and effective.
I like how they brought back the intro theme from X2 for this one
It worries me about how Holden was thinking about what powers he wanted and then immediately thought about the damage that could be done if he went bad....Anyone else suspect Holden is Secretly a super villain?
yes
Hey, Holden and Jen! I absolutely love this movie! I feel that the fusion of both casts and the juggling of so many moving parts was near virtuosic!
I rank this film higher than X2 because it came closer to approximating its comic book inspiration despite the "Days of Future Past" source material being a greater level of difficulty to adapt than "God Loves, Man Kills". I always give the X films latitude with respect to comic accuracy because they continue laying track for a locomotive that already left the station. Despite some unavoidable relationship and plot changes, this adaptation really captures the spirit of the Claremont era.
From a cinematic standpoint, the powerful duality of Charles and Erik remains the core of these films and you get a double dose of it here: as young antagonists making a temporary alliance and as weary, regretful veterans reconciling while facing extinction. JLaw's Mystique remains the moral fulcrum, Evan Peters' Quicksilver delivers a bravura showpiece stunt and Hugh Jackman's Wolverine gets to play in the same sandbox with the kids! The dystopic future sequence is particularly horrific apocalyptically presenting the deaths of iconic characters. New talent is showcased in that thrilling trademark style of powers used in concert with Blink's use of portals being an amazing highlight!
Just like the use of the Cuban Missile Crisis in "First Class", "Future Past" also cleverly blends history into the mix with Nixon, the JFK assassination and the Zapruder-like footage of the Parisian incident. Yes, the dangling plot thread of Mystique-Stryker goes nowhere leaving Wolverine's story between now and "Apocalypse" open to speculation. Yes, the utopian ending that reunites the original cast leaving their parallel 21st-century adventures open to speculation can be viewed as a cop-out. I say there's no shortage of X foes like Mr. Sinister, the Brood, Sauron, Bastion, Selene, Exodus, Proteus, Reavers, etc that could have come into play and plenty of unresolved contention between Mags and Charley that could have easily flared up providing fodder for numerous exploits. The speculation is part of the fun!
I'm really glad you listened to feedback and saw THE ROGUE CUT which brought Anna Paquin's Rogue back into the fold for a phenomenal action sequence in which Magneto and Charles cut loose breaking her out of prison and barely getting away with their lives!
X-MEN TIMELINES:
Egypt --> 1845 --> Nagasaki --> First Class --> DOFP --> Origins ------------------------------------------------> X1 --> X2 --> X3 --> Wolverine -------> New Mutants ----------------------> Logan
Egypt --> 1845 --> Nagasaki --> First Class --> DOFP ----------------> Apocalypse --> Dark Phoenix ------------------------------------------------> Deadpool --> Deadpool 2 -----> DOFP Utopia
Egypt --> 1845 --> Nagasaki --> First Class --> DOFP -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> DOFP Dystopia
DO NOT WATCH THE FILMS IN RELEASE ORDER!!!!! FOLLOW THIS RECOMMENDED ORDER!!!!! It keeps the multiple timelines orderly.
RECOMMENDED VIEWING ORDER:
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X3: The Last Stand
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men: First Class
The Wolverine: Extended Cut
X-Men: Days of Future Past: The Rogue Cut
X-Men: Apocalypse
X-Men: Dark Phoenix
Deadpool
New Mutants
Logan
Deadpool 2
I love this film. It's so good, especially the Xavier/Magneto moments.
The reason mystique at the end pretending to be striker makes sense. Logan was stuck drowning, mystique pulled him out saving him from waking up and perpetually drowning over and over until he's happened upon. The reason she would pretend to be striker is so they can get logan back onto his timeline... the one where he gets the adamantium and joins the xmen. If they didn't deliver him to striker his original self may have been on a totally new path where he never gets experimented on by striker and that would create too many ripples as the movie phrases it. At least that's my reasoning and interpretation.
Magneto had a third daughter Polaris, a Magneto Jr., but not by the same mother of Wanda and QS. That scene with go play with your sister sounds like it came from a stepmother or foster parent. Two fantastic characters ruined by Hollywood because now QS is dead and Polaris is likely never to exist.
oh yes, Polaris
loved her in "The Gifted"!😍
Xmen Apocalypse CLEARLY identifies that woman as Quicksilver's mother and Magneto's ex.
In the comics Kitty Pryde (ShadowCat) was the one sent back in time. But I guess they figured Wolverine would sell more movie tickets.
Jen liked the quicksilver scene, she's in for a treat with apocalypse. I will often just watch that quicksilver scene by itself when I want to watch one of the best scenes in movie history
It just occurred to me that the Dark Phoenix events could have been prevented because Charles looked into Logan’s future and saw those events. So maybe he was extra cautious and was able to set a different trajectory. Also, Jean wouldn’t have sacrificed herself if the events with Stryker were never changed. So maybe the Mystique tease at the end was an attempt to explain the difference there.