Also in the theatrical version, the shot of Ripley falling into the furnace, the Queen Chestburster actually breaks out through Ripley’s chest as she’s falling, but Ripley, using the last of her strength, grabs the Queen and keeps it from escaping; bringing it into the furnace with her.
I actually like that ending better. I don't know if it was changed because it was considered a little too cheesy or unnecessary but I thought it made for a good visual and at least gave the xenomorph one last screen appearance before being wiped out*. I thought it drove home that we were actually witnessing the death of the species. It's also an extra heroic final moment for Ripley who is not only sacrificing herself but fighting with every last ounce of strength until the bitter end. *I'm only referring to the first three movies
Oh what? I had no idea they changed its life cycle in a different release. I couldn't figure how they didn't understand that it came from a dog, which is exactly why it's a small, quadrupedal, runner type alien.
Approaching any piece of art with a neutral pov is always the best way. It might not be always as good as you expect it to be, but that doesn't mean it's as bad as others claim it to be. Also, one of the best things about this film is that it taught us that xenomorphs differ depending on who their hosts are.
most people dont like because of what happen to hicks, newt and the ending for ripley. For this story, i do understand why they cut them off. The actress of Newt, was a little older, and that contradicts the idea that cryosleep stop aging. And Hicks was badly wounded, he could not do anything... For Ripley, it was a rest of the warrior. Again, do enjoy Alien 3 and 4 more than the prometheus and the sequel.
The problem is (at the time) if you loved Aliens you couldn’t divorce yourself from killing characters you had invested a lot into. That put Alien3 into a deep hole with fans in the first 5 minutes of the movie. It also negated everything Ripley did in Aliens basically not for plot but for studio and production issues. After 30 years I can appreciate the movie (specifically the assembly cut) but not when I saw it in theaters.
Since killing off Newt is a direct consequence of how Aliens ended, those who can't handle that should direct their anger at that movie instead of this one.
@@boretrk I’m not understanding your point. Newt, Hicks, Bishop and Ripley survived and were on their way home. Alien 3 retconned in a hidden special face hugger egg on the Sulaco that had a royal facehugger that could impregnate Ripley with a Queen and survive to impregnate another creature. That was all decided by the Alien 3 production. If they had wanted too they could have written a story that didn’t kill Newt or Hicks. It could have occurred a few years after Aliens to match the actresses age for example.
Definitely watch Alien Resurrection. It has a different tone than the other movies (more "mainstreamy") but if you accept it, it's a lot of fun. It definitely doesn't deserve the hate. I like it a lot! 😊
Resurrection is an original and interesting artistic proposition. The atmosphere, the production design and the photography are stunning. Yet the third act is an uncontrolled mess that tend to stain whatever was otherwise good in the rest of the film. They should definitely react to it. If only to forge their own independent and informed opinion. I known I'll gladly watch the reaction !
I tend to agree. I prefer Resurrection to this movie, but it's also very... "questionable" I suppose is the best term for some parts of the later acts. If you go in and expect nothing it's a lot more fun than going in and expecting another Aliens. Some parts are just outright stupid lol but it is a fun movie and I do watch it pretty damn often. I also really enjoy the director's cut with the extended scenes. That makes it a lot more fun for me, even if I dislike the opening sequence more. There are two extended scenes in particular I love and absolutely hate that they cut out (the flashcards and the chapel). Otherwise I think it has a stronger story base than this film in most regards
@@Schatje79 Dutton and Perlman are standouts in the back half of the quadrilogy. Which, fwiw, I think are both really good films if you're watching them for what they are not just sitting there disappointed Fincher and Jeunet didn't regurgitate Cameron's film.
100% agree!! You know from that moment that it’s going to be a very different ride than the previous two films. I’ve always loved Alien3, having seen it upon release. But the assembly cut is far superior.
It's amazing and incredibly effective, talk about setting the tone! Never fails to make the hairs stand on end. I'm surprised the boneheaded studio execs even allowed it.
I absolutely love the ensemble of British legends in this cast. Charles Dance, Pete Poslthwaite, Brian Glover, Phil Davis, Paul McGann, Ralph Brown and the list goes on. Before moving in to acting Brian Glover was a professional Wrestler (Britains version of The Rock 😂)
Pete Poslthwaite is an absolute legend. He's been in so many films as fantastic small role parts, but always stole the scenes he was in. When he died, I took it hard. Was always a favorite and made everything he was in better.
In the theatrical version the facehugger impregnates a rottweiler rather an ox, that's why the alien resembles a dog (and why the guy cleaning the fan shaft was looking for "Spike"). They originally tested using an actual dog (a whippet) in an alien costume for the newborn alien, but as it turned out, whippets have a very dainty gait that made it look too cute, and the idea was scrapped. You can look up the BTS footage of the dog costume testing. Also, the unique webbed facehugger is a "royal" facehugger which carries two embryos, one a queen and one a drone to assist the queen.
For all of the faults of this film, I've always REALLY loved the oppressively bleak, purgatorial atmosphere established by the entire setting, the cast of characters, and the hopelessness of the story. That's really impressive given the predecessors.
Some noted British actors in the cast including Paul McGann (Doctor Who in the Dr Who movie) and Pete Postlethwaite- whoseost famous role was Mr Kobayashi in Usual Suspects.
I loved his DW audio adventures (Big Finish I believe was the company that did those) and he does a lot of documentary narration; he's got a great voice for it. Met him at a convention back in 2005 and he was lovely to speak with. 😁
Charles S. Dutton, who plays Leonard Dillon, was a fine actor who had a good run from the 90s to about 2010. He retired from acting around 2015-16 and has stayed completely off the radar.
You know, I’ve been into 40k since the late 90’s, loved the alien franchise even longer, and I’ve never once equated alien3 to warhammer until now 🤯 the bleak hopelessness fits perfectly 👌🏻
I think a lot of the hate for this movie comes from the emotional shock in the opening. Once you get past that it’s a much better film than most people give it credit for :)
@@extraplain2412 It's not "great". There are clear weaknesses. Aliens is the ultimate example of art in film. Alien 3 is an example of someone who wants to be different doing an ok job. An ok job doesn't cut it for a sequel to Aliens.
@@extraplain2412 i think a big part is theatrical vs assembly cut as well. I personally remember really disliking this movie after watching the theatrical release. I then watched assembly and warmed to it. But I think the general oppressive nature of the film, the bad visuals (sometimes), the unceremonious deaths and the weak characters other than the main cast really let this one down.
@@-BuddyGuy Even 10 year old me watching Alien 3 for the first time on video could see the brilliance in Alien 3. It fits the themes of the Alien universe perfectly. Aliens is completely different from Alien, the whole point of a sequel to a film is that you do different things with the idea. Alien 3 expanded the lore by having the Xenomorph come from a dog (I prefer this to the ox) and with Ripley they cemented her character as one of the best protagonists in film history.
It’s wild to think that, even though these three movies take place over decades, but from Ripley’s perspective it all happens over the course of at most a few weeks
@@patrickflanagan3762 I agree, Resurrection despite its faults had some good moments and there was a kind of "artistic licence" feel to it. Alien 3 is a bit boring in my opinion and the plot is all over the place
Also I had not seen this version of Alien 3. There was so much more footage than I saw it last... 20 years ago maybe. And i kinda liked it. It was pretty good actually. The version I watched lacked so much depth!
In the only version I have ever watched they left out the part where they first capture the alien and the guy then releases it. That changes the movie a good bit.
I just love how bleak this film is. The environment, the characters, the way it starts on a enormous downer and feeling of betrayal then just continues being miserable until the gut-wrenching conclusion. It just feels sad and hopeless and depressing and I think that's the perfect way to wrap up the series! (Edit: the series ends at Alien3 as far as I'm concerned) I understand why people don't like it (and I'm aware that my fondness for this film is heavily rooted in the circumstances under which I watched it) but it really makes me wish more franchises would have the guts to end on seriously down notes. Everything about this film seems designed to bum you out and I love it :D
Alien 3 is something of a flawed masterpiece & I think after the upbeat ending of Aliens with Ripley, Hicks & Newt being almost a family people found the dystopian vibe of Alien 3 hard to get their heads round. Hicks & Newt needed to die, to continue to keep Ripley isolated. Throughout the films Ripley’s story arc is that of a tragic hero with her having lost everything; the crew of the Nostromo, her daughter, the marines….& Newt. I totally agree, the story ended with Ripley’s swan dive into the furnace. I’ve always loved Alien3, having seen it upon release. But the assembly cut is a far superior film. That said, I do prefer Ripley’s swan dive from the theatrical cut; the chestburster coming out & Ripley holding onto it was her final heroic act to ensure the Queen died.
Completely agreed. I get why people don't like it and I was one of them when I first saw it, but now that I'm older I do appreciate this movie for what it is. Regarding ending franchises on a down note... I would like franchises to have the guts of a clear start and end to begin with, instead of churning out another one and another one to milk the brand 😅 Or at the very least, if they'd take the time and effort to make it a good and memorable one (I do hear good things about Romulus, so that sounds like one of those exceptions).
@@davidanderson1639 I wish they'd kept the final chestburst too, it was such an abiding image and a great way to visualise the death of the xenomorph species. I think most people consider this the better shot and I'm not sure why they changed it. Someone in another thread did offer an interesting take. They suggested that removing the chestburster scene makes it clear that it is Ripley's choice to turn down the offer of help from Weyland Yutani and sacrifice herself, rather than having the birth of the alien effectively removing that choice and leaving her no option but to jump. It's been a long time since I've seen the theatrical cut so I'm not sure how this stacks up but I can see how that might have been a reason.
@@laserpanda94 the only reason I can think of why they made the change to the chestburster / swan dive scene, is so that the subplot of Alien: Resurrection involving Ripley’s DNA becoming mixed with that of the Queen makes more sense. But I can also see from the other thread you mentioned, why that would also be a logical change to make.
Wonderful title card. Glad you guys watched the Extended edition. This movie is underrated, I know Fincher isn't the biggest fan but you can see his slick style taking shape in this movie.
All I will say is yes...Ellen Ripley IS in Alien 4. It's called Alien Resurrection for a reason guys...if you think this movie went in a different direction...Alien resurrection is on a WHOLE nother level
Alien 3 was a famously troubled production; several directors came and went during pre-production, its script was in a state of flux while the film was being shot, and its first-time film-maker - a young music video director named David Fincher - engaged in daily battles with producers for creative control
Oh man! I'm so happy that You watched Alien 3, I was looking for that! You're my favourite reactors and Alien 3 is probably my second favourite movie from this series. Cheers!
I am so hyped for yall to watch Resurrection. Don't listen to whatever people say, it's always been wayyy too much overhated. That movie is great and you're gonna love the overall idea.
@@friendlyreptile9931 It’s not as dumb as many of the movies most people watch but still make fun of it. There are so many dumb movies, that it doesn’t really make sense that it gets so much hate than others mostly because the first couple Alien movies great. That’s the only reason.
You have to at least watch the first two Alien movies, which you have already, and although I think you SHOULD watch the other movies too (Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, the two Alien vs. Predator movies, the five Predator movies, and the two Prometheus movies which includes Covenant) you don't have to watch all of them in order to watch Romulus!
This movie gets so much smack. I think its a suspense masterpiece. When I watched the first 3 Alien movies one after another I did not know about all the fuzz behind its making. I love all 3 Alien movies!
Even watching the film for the first time on video at the age of 10 coming from Alien and Aliens, I loved Alien 3. I can't imagine how narrow minded people must be to dislike this film. I get opinions but most of the complaints are incoherent whining from toxic fans.
@@emilianosintarias7337 Same. As a young one I thought the first 3 are a perfect trilogy, where 3 was the one that felt most desperate for the people in it. And I loved the atmosphere. I now noticed that the cut these guys were watching is quite different. But still.
Lotta folk rage about how long it took for Ripley's burster, but I argue a queen takes longer, she got impregnated in cryo, n the doc was giving her whatever injections.
Y'know, I've never even questioned that. The extended gestation period seemed logical to me. But then looking for consistency with all that is a fools errand - it was all made up as it went along.
No, you want them. They absolutely do not contain anything relevant to understanding the prequels. As long as you understand the basic biology of the aliens, you are good.
Alien3 is like a good wine, better and better with every passing decade, especially since the Assembly Cut was released, I love it. But my favorite was, is and always will be the musical score from Elliot Goldenthal. Both wild, brutal and beautiful and melancholic. Wonderful job of this brilliant composer.
Queen Xenomorphs can lay one last egg when they are about to die, or something of that nature. The last ditch egg actually has 2 face-huggers, one is a drone and the other has a queen face-huggers.
@@JagdWehrwolf Yeah that doesn't make sense to me Ripley burned all the eggs around her and blasted everything and with the overload happeneing and the elevator ride there really wasn't any time for the queen to do anything but follow Ripley. It's the weakest part of Alien 3 for me as there is no convincing way for there to be a face hugger on the ship hell the whole scene with Bishop shows the ship detected an alien life form Ripley would of checked before going into ctyo sleep.
@@roo189 Is it though? Yep, Ripley unloaded hard on the egg depository, but in it wasn't like she was aiming at every egg sack to make sure none survived. Also, is that such a stretch to think that drones have been moving eggs deeper into the complex of corridors and a couple could survive? Finally, transfer from Planet to Sulaco and here I admit it's the biggest stretch, but queen being a large beast could have carried the eggs placed on her back (between the tube appendages) whe she was unknowingly scooped up by landing gear. And the eggs themselves could have stayed within the dropship.
There is such a wealth of British talent in this film that I already knew but I think this was my first introduction to Charles S Dutton. He is SO good in this.
"Studio butchery" is actually responsible for Ripley becoming the badass icon she is. In the original script for "Alien," shooting the Xenomorh with the harpoon doesn't succeed in knocking it out of the shuttle's hatch, and it goes up to Ripley and smashes its hand through the faceplate of her helmet rips her head off. In an alternate ending, the Xenomorh bites Ripley's head off then sits down at the radio and mimics Dallas' voice to send a distress call to Earth setting up a trap for the would be rescuers and gaining transportation back to Earth. It was a studio executive who hated these endings who insisted that the story be rewritten with Ripley defeating the Xenomorph and surviving.
I've never heard that in the many hours of interviews and media I've watched about this franchise. However, if it IS true, that exec needs an award, because those endings sound terrible.
@@AnonEyeMouse It was around the dawn of the era of "twist ending" horror films that made it look like the main protagonist prevailed and survived but would then surprise the audience with a jump scare revealing that the killer was still a threat and the killing off everyone in the final scene.
Watch Alien Resurrection to end the original “quadrilogy” before diving into the prequels.. You can even watch the AvP series after since they are non canon to the Alien film series
@@Klaital1 and the first one isn't? i honestly enjoy requiem more than the first one because it is so bad that it starts to be funny and has a small modicum of self awareness about how bad it is... the first one though is just boring and at times annoyingly stupid all while taking itself incredibly serious
One of my all time favourite films! The cinematography and sets are stunning, and for all the studio interference it's better than most other films of this genre. The hate it gets is completely undeserved.
Granted we have the Assembly Cut, but I'm glad that Alien 3 is getting its due these days -the cinema cut was still not as bad as people tend to think, but there's a lack of character depth and nuance, which does make it inferior. It's also worth knowing that the movie represents one of the more egregious times that a studio has interfered with production. The other one that stands out in my mind was the issue between Richard Donner and the Salkinds on the back to back shoot for Superman I and II, ultimately resulting in two editions of Superman II.
this movie was also highly regarded in marketing for its use of steadicams as the creature's point of view, as running with them in the context they were used in the film -super long run takes - had not been done before in a wide released film.
What I like about the first 4 films is that they are all essentially the same, but really show off the visual style and sensibilities of their directors.
I know you guys didn't mention it, but I don't know if you noticed that the Alien (also known as the "Runner Alien) took on characteristics of the host, i.e., the Ox. Introducing the idea that the Xenomorphs take on quality's of what they gestate in. Also, in the original theatrical cut it was a dog that was impregnated, not an Ox. You can even hear the character who falls into the fan call the dogs name, saying "is that you Spike?" moments before his demise. The original design for the alien had a real dog in an Alien suit, but it was never followed through. You can however still see videos of a Whippit running around in an alien suit in behind the scenes footage.
It's odd to me that the Spike line is still in the Assembly cut, consering it was not originally in that scene at-all and was dubbed in after the fact to tie it in with the dog-birth after they changed it from the ox.
At 31:50 (for George), the xenomorphs are not a product of evolution but rather bioengineering. Also, please watch Alien Resurrection (aka Alien 4). I actually liked it more than Alien 3. The actor who played Tuco Salamanca is in it.
The bioengineering crap didn’t come into existence until Prometheus decades later. The first and second films tell they story as if they are part of the natural order. Every comic from the 80s and 90s played off of this as well. One even suggesting that on their home world they were kept in check by other even more horrifying life forms but once off the planet they became invasive with no natural predators. Ridley Scott tried to do a a bunch of Retcon stuff and say it was always his plan - which is just some George Lucas level myth.
None of that bioengineering stuff existed until decades later when Ridley Scott when all "George Lucas" on us and wanted to "improve" on past films. It is 100% clear in the first two films that they are animals from some planet somewhere out there. The worst thing Ridley Scott ever did in film was to "explain" the origins of the Aliens - which is worse than a prequel trilogy about Anakin Skywalker.
The problem with sequels is that there's an expectation that the public wants it bigger and louder than the last one, which was what "Aliens" was, it was a bigger and louder "Alien". There was always the idea that religion play a part of the third installment; the original draft taking place on a planet made entirely out of wood, like a church planet. This was scrapped. What I saw in the theaters when I was 13 however, despite the logistical nightmares behind it, did make an impression on me, even though I did love James Cameron's film a lot, I understood with the Director's Cut of "Aliens" that Ripley appears to greet each opening of the subsequent films with a loss. In "Aliens" it was the daughter, but in "Alien³" it was the entire "family" she gained in the prior film. This tells a lot about the extensive damage such a creature can have on just a single life, imagine a whole crew of people. To think, the three first Alien movies had great, talented young directors at the helm but the 3rd one appeared to fall under the most scrutiny and butchery at the hands of its studio industry. A true Fincher "debut" wouldn't happen until he made "Se7en" next but you do see his talent for visuals here. "Alien: Resurrection" was written by Joss Whedon. I don't know if that's fair warning considering that you've seen his work on "Firefly" and the MCU, but it is a stylistic shift from the tone of this one. It has its fans.
Really happy you guys are returning to Alien! :) Alien 3 is really underrated in my opinion and I really like the Assembly Cut. Sigourney Weaver does actually return as Ripley in Alien: Resurrection but you'll have to see how they do it when you watch it. Also it's written by Joss Whedon and it's not the worst thing. Silly fun!
Remember at the end of the first Alien movie when Ripley blasts it with the thrusters of the shuttle? Remember how it wasn't incinerated, merely pushed back? Molten lead was a good idea, sadly it only worked to piss it off to the point it broke its instinctual programming and went after Ripley for the kill.
Worth remembering that this assembly cut includes some modern CG aliens to fill in places where effects weren't originally completed. I believe all the original aliens were puppets poorly composited.
I saw this opening night, and I've loved David Fincher ever since. The Assembly Cut is certainly the way to go, although we'll never get a true "Director's Cut". Fox really did him dirty.
I saw the original movie first in cinema. And I didnt ever think that it was bad, like critics did. There are 2 major differences to the directors cut: In first version the carrier was the Dog instead of the Cow. Which i found slightly better... maybe the CGI-Baby looked to cute. And the secon difference, which i think they shouldnt cut it out... When ripley jumps upside down, the chestburster comes out of her. And with her last breath, she holdt the QueenBaby close, until they both dump into the metal. imho this ist the photographicly most beautiful Alienmovie. Fincher was a total rookie, and they didnt give him any chance to let this movie succeed. But you can tell the style, the storytelling and his terrifying sense for these "no-way-youre-kidding"-Moments. I like this movie even an inch more than camerons one. Its not that wildwest shooting. its more intelligent, like scotts origin.
The reason the facehugger has webbed legs is because it's a special kind that can implant queens. Also I think the reason shes hesitant to say anything about the xenomorph is because if the story gets back to weyland utani she would be made to dissapear
Excellent reaction guys! If you actually dug this movie, definitely give Resurrection a chance. My wife and I love it. The director did "Amelie" after, which is an absolutely terrific French comedy/drama.
I'd say check out the novel Alien Earth Hive; it was written as an alternative to Alien 3, and was supposed to have Hicks and Newt as the main characters, but due to legal reasons with the studio the author had to change them into all new characters.
In the theatrical cut the alien comes out of a dog, not an oxen. Also they do not capture the alien because the studio thought it removed some of its threat if these unarmed men would be able to capture it. Fincher argued that it created more tension because the viewers would think "Wait, it's captured? Well, now what? It has to get out, obviously. How is that going to happen?" The scene cuts from the accidental fire to them arguing "What are we going to do now?" when Ripley goes off to scan her body to see if she's been implanted.
I don't get the criticism this movie gets for being _dark,_ like, what were the previous two movies?? "Oh no, Hicks and Newt die right off the bat" well this ain't some family sitcom, what do you mean??
They could have written them out of the movie without killing them. For example, by having only Ripley's pod being ejected because of the contagion, etc. Having said that, I loved the atmosphere of this movie. I wouldn't change anything else but that (if we're talking about the Assembly Cut).
A lot of people dislike this because of what happened to Hicks and Newt, but I think it is possibly one of the best of the original three. The oppression is so much more... desperate in this film. 44:57 - I saw what you were going for George, unfortunatley you were JUST off-camera.
I love Alien 3. Assembly Cut is definitely the one to watch. Watch Wreckage & Rage, the making of Alien 3, that goes into great detail about the production.
The Death of Ripley was actually Weaver's idea which was rejected by James Cameron. She became a producer on ALIEN 3 which had her making the death of her character the big selling point for rounding out Ripley's character. A big payday and exec producer credit got her to come back for ALIEN RESURRECTION.
People give this movie crap but apart from some bad effects it is so damn good. yeah its different from the others but its really inventive. I like the idea that the xenomorph changes its abilities based on what animal it gestates in. making it a quadruped and fast makes it so much scarier. imagine this film with modern effects.
The poster: 3 Times The Suspense, Danger, and Terror!!! The movie: A group of bald prisoners spend most the runtime planning how to take down a single dog sized alien in some corridors.
Yes the Alien franchise doesn 't need that feel good family movie crap. Not to mention the awful dumb grunt dialogue which could have been in Predator.
This movie is much maligned, but i've always loved it. The atmosphere is oppressive and depressive but masterful, triumph in spite of absolute despair. Great performances, great set production, and some great dialogue. Charles S. Dutton's speech convincing the others of the plan might be one of my favourite moments in the series ("Do you want it on your feet? ...or on your fuckin' knees!"). Chills every time. I just wish the assembly cut didn't completely ruin the scoring during Ripley's sacrifice. Plays like it was cut together haphazardly by an intern (probably was to be fair!) and could do with rescoring for the cut.
@@kennethfharkin Everyone I've seen that reacted so resurrection liked it, some more then others but nobody hated it. AvP is also a fun movie. Don't expect the most and you'll be pleasantly suprised. The main actress does a lot for the movie too.
Also in the theatrical version, the shot of Ripley falling into the furnace, the Queen Chestburster actually breaks out through Ripley’s chest as she’s falling, but Ripley, using the last of her strength, grabs the Queen and keeps it from escaping; bringing it into the furnace with her.
That's about the only thing I liked in the theatrical over the studio hackjob. It's a rad image.
I actually like that ending better. I don't know if it was changed because it was considered a little too cheesy or unnecessary but I thought it made for a good visual and at least gave the xenomorph one last screen appearance before being wiped out*. I thought it drove home that we were actually witnessing the death of the species.
It's also an extra heroic final moment for Ripley who is not only sacrificing herself but fighting with every last ounce of strength until the bitter end.
*I'm only referring to the first three movies
@@laserpanda94 Truth. Also, there's this twisted idea of a motherhood when she's pressing the young queen to her chest.
@@JagdWehrwolf Yes! I'd never considered that, which is surprising when it's pretty much the overriding theme of most Alien movies 😂
I'll never understand why they didn't keep that in this cut. That scene is great.
It's funny that you said the newborn Alien looked like a little puppy. In the theatrical release it was born from a dog, not a cow.
And the original prosthetic for the young alien was actually used on a dog. It just looked silly.
Oh what?
I had no idea they changed its life cycle in a different release. I couldn't figure how they didn't understand that it came from a dog, which is exactly why it's a small, quadrupedal, runner type alien.
@@Gnomojo Ok, now I want to see a dog running around dressed up like a xenomorph.
it was a Whippit XD
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@@Alispart there are videos from behind the scenes just look xenomorph dog, the pup looked so cute!
Approaching any piece of art with a neutral pov is always the best way. It might not be always as good as you expect it to be, but that doesn't mean it's as bad as others claim it to be.
Also, one of the best things about this film is that it taught us that xenomorphs differ depending on who their hosts are.
most people dont like because of what happen to hicks, newt and the ending for ripley.
For this story, i do understand why they cut them off. The actress of Newt, was a little older, and that contradicts the idea that cryosleep stop aging. And Hicks was badly wounded, he could not do anything... For Ripley, it was a rest of the warrior. Again, do enjoy Alien 3 and 4 more than the prometheus and the sequel.
Sure.. things *might* not be... but in this case, they are. This movie is hot garbage. Especially considering how good the first two are.
The problem is (at the time) if you loved Aliens you couldn’t divorce yourself from killing characters you had invested a lot into. That put Alien3 into a deep hole with fans in the first 5 minutes of the movie. It also negated everything Ripley did in Aliens basically not for plot but for studio and production issues.
After 30 years I can appreciate the movie (specifically the assembly cut) but not when I saw it in theaters.
Since killing off Newt is a direct consequence of how Aliens ended, those who can't handle that should direct their anger at that movie instead of this one.
@@boretrk I’m not understanding your point. Newt, Hicks, Bishop and Ripley survived and were on their way home.
Alien 3 retconned in a hidden special face hugger egg on the Sulaco that had a royal facehugger that could impregnate Ripley with a Queen and survive to impregnate another creature.
That was all decided by the Alien 3 production. If they had wanted too they could have written a story that didn’t kill Newt or Hicks. It could have occurred a few years after Aliens to match the actresses age for example.
Definitely watch Alien Resurrection.
It has a different tone than the other movies (more "mainstreamy") but if you accept it, it's a lot of fun. It definitely doesn't deserve the hate.
I like it a lot! 😊
Yeah, it's a good movie. Not a good Alien movie, but a good, fun movie nonetheless.
Resurrection is an original and interesting artistic proposition. The atmosphere, the production design and the photography are stunning.
Yet the third act is an uncontrolled mess that tend to stain whatever was otherwise good in the rest of the film.
They should definitely react to it. If only to forge their own independent and informed opinion.
I known I'll gladly watch the reaction !
It's very, very French.
I tend to agree. I prefer Resurrection to this movie, but it's also very... "questionable" I suppose is the best term for some parts of the later acts. If you go in and expect nothing it's a lot more fun than going in and expecting another Aliens. Some parts are just outright stupid lol but it is a fun movie and I do watch it pretty damn often. I also really enjoy the director's cut with the extended scenes. That makes it a lot more fun for me, even if I dislike the opening sequence more. There are two extended scenes in particular I love and absolutely hate that they cut out (the flashcards and the chapel). Otherwise I think it has a stronger story base than this film in most regards
worth watching just for the dan hedaya and brad dourif scenery chewing performances
Simone loved “Amelie”. “Alien: Resurrection” is the same director. Give it a shot.
Hopefully adding to the incentive to watch A:R, it was written by Joss Whedon.
@@lazykbys For me, it's the fact that Ron Perlman is in it, lol.
@@vodengc520 For sure...Perlman is the man!
@@Schatje79 Dutton and Perlman are standouts in the back half of the quadrilogy.
Which, fwiw, I think are both really good films if you're watching them for what they are not just sitting there disappointed Fincher and Jeunet didn't regurgitate Cameron's film.
Yeah like I said there are a couple of standout scenes that I remember even now. No spoilers people.
You should def watch Resurrection, too. I'm not going to say it is a particularly good movie, but it is definitely _something_.
Yeah, pulpier (in more than one sense), more of a popcorn movie, but still entertaining.
And wasn't it written by Joss?
Joss Whedon a genuinely awful script and then whined his ass off that they didn't do it right. Baby.
It's most definitely 100% a Jean-Pierre Jeunet film.
Unpopular opinion: I loved the xenomorph design in resurrection. The whole imperfect clone degraded look just works for me 😅
The distorted, sustained 20th Century Fox intro is probably my all-time favorite opening to a movie. Such a cool decision.
100% agree!! You know from that moment that it’s going to be a very different ride than the previous two films. I’ve always loved Alien3, having seen it upon release. But the assembly cut is far superior.
It's amazing and incredibly effective, talk about setting the tone! Never fails to make the hairs stand on end. I'm surprised the boneheaded studio execs even allowed it.
I completely forgot about the opening and got shaken up by the opening of Romulus 😅
I absolutely love the ensemble of British legends in this cast. Charles Dance, Pete Poslthwaite, Brian Glover, Phil Davis, Paul McGann, Ralph Brown and the list goes on. Before moving in to acting Brian Glover was a professional Wrestler (Britains version of The Rock 😂)
I've always enjoyed Brian Glovers accent especially in American werewolf in London
Pete Poslthwaite is an absolute legend. He's been in so many films as fantastic small role parts, but always stole the scenes he was in. When he died, I took it hard. Was always a favorite and made everything he was in better.
Alien 3 added a cool bit of lore to the series by showing us that xenomorphs grow differently based on who the host is.
The action figures actually had various Xenomorphs, such as one gestated in a bull.
That lore was also given in AvP and AvP Requiem.
Now you guys have to watch them all! Alien 4 next!!
"Nobody sells m...th in space but me! B...ch!"
In the theatrical version the facehugger impregnates a rottweiler rather an ox, that's why the alien resembles a dog (and why the guy cleaning the fan shaft was looking for "Spike").
They originally tested using an actual dog (a whippet) in an alien costume for the newborn alien, but as it turned out, whippets have a very dainty gait that made it look too cute, and the idea was scrapped. You can look up the BTS footage of the dog costume testing.
Also, the unique webbed facehugger is a "royal" facehugger which carries two embryos, one a queen and one a drone to assist the queen.
Alien 4 has the greatest basketball shot in movies in it.
Which makes Sigourney Weaver as much of a badass IRL as she is in the movies.
What are you talking about? There is no Alien 4.
Nah man. Escape from LA has that honour.
and the greatest 1 liner of all time which was "like you never ƒüçked a robot"
That's some Air Bud slander.
(but actually, yes)
For all of the faults of this film, I've always REALLY loved the oppressively bleak, purgatorial atmosphere established by the entire setting, the cast of characters, and the hopelessness of the story. That's really impressive given the predecessors.
Some noted British actors in the cast including Paul McGann (Doctor Who in the Dr Who movie) and Pete Postlethwaite- whoseost famous role was Mr Kobayashi in Usual Suspects.
You forgot Mr Rottweiler from bottom, Brian Glover is a legend.
Pete P! Loved the guy. Made everything he was in better.
Golic is played by the amazing Paul McGann. Which for a Brit like me, he's best known as playing the Doctor in the Doctor Who movie.
He is my favorite Doctor (more from audios than the movie) but what about Withnail & I? And Luther?
I loved his DW audio adventures (Big Finish I believe was the company that did those) and he does a lot of documentary narration; he's got a great voice for it. Met him at a convention back in 2005 and he was lovely to speak with. 😁
@@eighthdoctor Big Finish is a god send. It did so much to actually characterise the Eighth Doctor and make the Sixth Doctor less abrasive.
@@alexsimpkin5620 100%!
Speaking of this cast: I think this was the first thing I saw Pete Postlethwaite in (Lost World, The Usual Suspects, Inception).
Charles S. Dutton, who plays Leonard Dillon, was a fine actor who had a good run from the 90s to about 2010. He retired from acting around 2015-16 and has stayed completely off the radar.
Everyone always says Event Horizon is the closest to a Warhammer 40k movie, but this one fits the universe even better.
A lone genestealer loose in a convict manufactorium...
Event Horizon is closest to a fever dream.
You know, I’ve been into 40k since the late 90’s, loved the alien franchise even longer, and I’ve never once equated alien3 to warhammer until now 🤯 the bleak hopelessness fits perfectly 👌🏻
Event Horizon feels like an accidental 40k prequel. Don't fuck around with the Warp
@@AwkwardKylethe EH writer confirmed there was direct inspiration
The actor playing Golic, Paul McGann, also played the 8th doctor in Doctor who! Brilliant actor. Love this film and 4
I think a lot of the hate for this movie comes from the emotional shock in the opening. Once you get past that it’s a much better film than most people give it credit for :)
No. Still just 80's trash. The setting is just bad. It was Fincher's first movie and he had 0 pull. This was a wage job, for sure.
@@DreamingVoid Pretty sure it was released in 1992. The films great, it's just viewers with little understanding for Art that dislike it.
@@extraplain2412 It's not "great". There are clear weaknesses. Aliens is the ultimate example of art in film. Alien 3 is an example of someone who wants to be different doing an ok job. An ok job doesn't cut it for a sequel to Aliens.
@@extraplain2412 i think a big part is theatrical vs assembly cut as well. I personally remember really disliking this movie after watching the theatrical release. I then watched assembly and warmed to it.
But I think the general oppressive nature of the film, the bad visuals (sometimes), the unceremonious deaths and the weak characters other than the main cast really let this one down.
@@-BuddyGuy Even 10 year old me watching Alien 3 for the first time on video could see the brilliance in Alien 3. It fits the themes of the Alien universe perfectly. Aliens is completely different from Alien, the whole point of a sequel to a film is that you do different things with the idea. Alien 3 expanded the lore by having the Xenomorph come from a dog (I prefer this to the ox) and with Ripley they cemented her character as one of the best protagonists in film history.
It’s wild to think that, even though these three movies take place over decades, but from Ripley’s perspective it all happens over the course of at most a few weeks
Not everyone hates Alien 4. It is a super fun space adventure with a surprising cast. Two thumbs up from this guy.
I'm not a huge fan of RESURRECTION but I do think it's better than ALIEN3, which is just awful.
Super fun space adventure is usually not how someone would describe an Alien film...
@@thewatcher3429 In other words, Resurrections is not a terrible movie, but it is a bad take on a Aliens movie.
3 & 4 are bad, they could be spending the time watching much better films
@@patrickflanagan3762 I agree, Resurrection despite its faults had some good moments and there was a kind of "artistic licence" feel to it. Alien 3 is a bit boring in my opinion and the plot is all over the place
Tongue Punched In The Brain is the name of my new band. Thanks, George!
I would buy that album.
Mine is Tongue Punched In The Balloon Knot, we should do a double bill.
Also I had not seen this version of Alien 3. There was so much more footage than I saw it last... 20 years ago maybe. And i kinda liked it. It was pretty good actually. The version I watched lacked so much depth!
In the only version I have ever watched they left out the part where they first capture the alien and the guy then releases it. That changes the movie a good bit.
This is by far the better version
I just love how bleak this film is. The environment, the characters, the way it starts on a enormous downer and feeling of betrayal then just continues being miserable until the gut-wrenching conclusion. It just feels sad and hopeless and depressing and I think that's the perfect way to wrap up the series! (Edit: the series ends at Alien3 as far as I'm concerned)
I understand why people don't like it (and I'm aware that my fondness for this film is heavily rooted in the circumstances under which I watched it) but it really makes me wish more franchises would have the guts to end on seriously down notes. Everything about this film seems designed to bum you out and I love it :D
Alien 3 is something of a flawed masterpiece & I think after the upbeat ending of Aliens with Ripley, Hicks & Newt being almost a family people found the dystopian vibe of Alien 3 hard to get their heads round.
Hicks & Newt needed to die, to continue to keep Ripley isolated. Throughout the films Ripley’s story arc is that of a tragic hero with her having lost everything; the crew of the Nostromo, her daughter, the marines….& Newt.
I totally agree, the story ended with Ripley’s swan dive into the furnace. I’ve always loved Alien3, having seen it upon release. But the assembly cut is a far superior film. That said, I do prefer Ripley’s swan dive from the theatrical cut; the chestburster coming out & Ripley holding onto it was her final heroic act to ensure the Queen died.
Completely agreed. I get why people don't like it and I was one of them when I first saw it, but now that I'm older I do appreciate this movie for what it is. Regarding ending franchises on a down note... I would like franchises to have the guts of a clear start and end to begin with, instead of churning out another one and another one to milk the brand 😅 Or at the very least, if they'd take the time and effort to make it a good and memorable one (I do hear good things about Romulus, so that sounds like one of those exceptions).
@@davidanderson1639 I wish they'd kept the final chestburst too, it was such an abiding image and a great way to visualise the death of the xenomorph species. I think most people consider this the better shot and I'm not sure why they changed it.
Someone in another thread did offer an interesting take. They suggested that removing the chestburster scene makes it clear that it is Ripley's choice to turn down the offer of help from Weyland Yutani and sacrifice herself, rather than having the birth of the alien effectively removing that choice and leaving her no option but to jump.
It's been a long time since I've seen the theatrical cut so I'm not sure how this stacks up but I can see how that might have been a reason.
@@SuperInu Definitely agree on the pre-determined end point. This is where _Lost_ went wrong and I'm still salty about it today 😠
@@laserpanda94 the only reason I can think of why they made the change to the chestburster / swan dive scene, is so that the subplot of Alien: Resurrection involving Ripley’s DNA becoming mixed with that of the Queen makes more sense.
But I can also see from the other thread you mentioned, why that would also be a logical change to make.
Wonderful title card. Glad you guys watched the Extended edition. This movie is underrated, I know Fincher isn't the biggest fan but you can see his slick style taking shape in this movie.
Glad you enjoyed it (figured you would). I am so sick of people scaring others away from watching 3 and 4. They are awesome. 💚
All I will say is yes...Ellen Ripley IS in Alien 4. It's called Alien Resurrection for a reason guys...if you think this movie went in a different direction...Alien resurrection is on a WHOLE nother level
Alien 3 was a famously troubled production; several directors came and went during pre-production, its script was in a state of flux while the film was being shot, and its first-time film-maker - a young music video director named David Fincher - engaged in daily battles with producers for creative control
Yeah, they said all that when they read the trivia at the end of the video.
This one is my second favourite of the lot. Love the uncaring, indifferent universe & stellar cast.
Oh man! I'm so happy that You watched Alien 3, I was looking for that! You're my favourite reactors and Alien 3 is probably my second favourite movie from this series. Cheers!
I am so hyped for yall to watch Resurrection. Don't listen to whatever people say, it's always been wayyy too much overhated. That movie is great and you're gonna love the overall idea.
Do NOT listen to haters on Alien Resurrection. It's definitely worth a watch and got a lot of interesting ideas and visuals. Give it a shot.
Exactly, its honestly crazy that resurrection gets so much hate! it doesnt even make sense!
@@satricon Not rly, it's jsut a very dumb movie
@@friendlyreptile9931 It’s not as dumb as many of the movies most people watch but still make fun of it. There are so many dumb movies, that it doesn’t really make sense that it gets so much hate than others mostly because the first couple Alien movies great. That’s the only reason.
I think it's so bad it's good
But listen to the haters of AvP: Requiem....
I'm glad you watched the best version. I love this movie.
You have to at least watch the first two Alien movies, which you have already, and although I think you SHOULD watch the other movies too (Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, the two Alien vs. Predator movies, the five Predator movies, and the two Prometheus movies which includes Covenant) you don't have to watch all of them in order to watch Romulus!
This movie gets so much smack. I think its a suspense masterpiece. When I watched the first 3 Alien movies one after another I did not know about all the fuzz behind its making. I love all 3 Alien movies!
This one is nowhere near the word masterpiece in any sense. If you want a suspense masterpiece, you watch the first one.
for many years the 3rd was my favorite.
Watched all of them before I was 15 and I never liked A3. It was always schlocky 80's trash.
Even watching the film for the first time on video at the age of 10 coming from Alien and Aliens, I loved Alien 3. I can't imagine how narrow minded people must be to dislike this film. I get opinions but most of the complaints are incoherent whining from toxic fans.
@@emilianosintarias7337 Same. As a young one I thought the first 3 are a perfect trilogy, where 3 was the one that felt most desperate for the people in it. And I loved the atmosphere. I now noticed that the cut these guys were watching is quite different. But still.
Lotta folk rage about how long it took for Ripley's burster, but I argue a queen takes longer, she got impregnated in cryo, n the doc was giving her whatever injections.
Y'know, I've never even questioned that. The extended gestation period seemed logical to me. But then looking for consistency with all that is a fools errand - it was all made up as it went along.
We need Alien Resurrection before the prequels.
No, you want them. They absolutely do not contain anything relevant to understanding the prequels. As long as you understand the basic biology of the aliens, you are good.
Alien3 is like a good wine, better and better with every passing decade, especially since the Assembly Cut was released, I love it. But my favorite was, is and always will be the musical score from Elliot Goldenthal. Both wild, brutal and beautiful and melancholic. Wonderful job of this brilliant composer.
Indeed true. Well said.
Queen Xenomorphs can lay one last egg when they are about to die, or something of that nature. The last ditch egg actually has 2 face-huggers, one is a drone and the other has a queen face-huggers.
Actually it's one facehugger with two embryos.
@@Painocus thanks for the correction, I didn’t know.
My head cannon is that the queen just saved a couple of eggs from destruction and carried them on her to Sulaco.
@@JagdWehrwolf Yeah that doesn't make sense to me Ripley burned all the eggs around her and blasted everything and with the overload happeneing and the elevator ride there really wasn't any time for the queen to do anything but follow Ripley. It's the weakest part of Alien 3 for me as there is no convincing way for there to be a face hugger on the ship hell the whole scene with Bishop shows the ship detected an alien life form Ripley would of checked before going into ctyo sleep.
@@roo189 Is it though? Yep, Ripley unloaded hard on the egg depository, but in it wasn't like she was aiming at every egg sack to make sure none survived. Also, is that such a stretch to think that drones have been moving eggs deeper into the complex of corridors and a couple could survive? Finally, transfer from Planet to Sulaco and here I admit it's the biggest stretch, but queen being a large beast could have carried the eggs placed on her back (between the tube appendages) whe she was unknowingly scooped up by landing gear. And the eggs themselves could have stayed within the dropship.
There is such a wealth of British talent in this film that I already knew but I think this was my first introduction to Charles S Dutton. He is SO good in this.
1:15 Part of me hoped George was going to say, "Uh, yes Simone, I do know that. You mention that every video."
"Studio butchery" is actually responsible for Ripley becoming the badass icon she is. In the original script for "Alien," shooting the Xenomorh with the harpoon doesn't succeed in knocking it out of the shuttle's hatch, and it goes up to Ripley and smashes its hand through the faceplate of her helmet rips her head off. In an alternate ending, the Xenomorh bites Ripley's head off then sits down at the radio and mimics Dallas' voice to send a distress call to Earth setting up a trap for the would be rescuers and gaining transportation back to Earth. It was a studio executive who hated these endings who insisted that the story be rewritten with Ripley defeating the Xenomorph and surviving.
I've never heard that in the many hours of interviews and media I've watched about this franchise. However, if it IS true, that exec needs an award, because those endings sound terrible.
@@AnonEyeMouse It was around the dawn of the era of "twist ending" horror films that made it look like the main protagonist prevailed and survived but would then surprise the audience with a jump scare revealing that the killer was still a threat and the killing off everyone in the final scene.
Hadn't heard that before but that sounds like a typical bad Ridley Scott idea.
Watch Alien Resurrection to end the original “quadrilogy” before diving into the prequels.. You can even watch the AvP series after since they are non canon to the Alien film series
I would only watch the first AvP movie though, the second one is god awful.
They can definitely skip AvP, but Resurrection is a must now that they watch every other mainline movie.
Pretty sure George already watched Avp on CineCringe.
George already watched AVP for cinecringe
@@Klaital1 and the first one isn't? i honestly enjoy requiem more than the first one because it is so bad that it starts to be funny and has a small modicum of self awareness about how bad it is... the first one though is just boring and at times annoyingly stupid all while taking itself incredibly serious
One of my all time favourite films! The cinematography and sets are stunning, and for all the studio interference it's better than most other films of this genre. The hate it gets is completely undeserved.
Granted we have the Assembly Cut, but I'm glad that Alien 3 is getting its due these days -the cinema cut was still not as bad as people tend to think, but there's a lack of character depth and nuance, which does make it inferior. It's also worth knowing that the movie represents one of the more egregious times that a studio has interfered with production. The other one that stands out in my mind was the issue between Richard Donner and the Salkinds on the back to back shoot for Superman I and II, ultimately resulting in two editions of Superman II.
this movie was also highly regarded in marketing for its use of steadicams as the creature's point of view, as running with them in the context they were used in the film -super long run takes - had not been done before in a wide released film.
“So Ripley is definitely not in Alien 4 then”
You’d think so but you’d be wrong. 😂
@@kratosGOW Kind of! She is, and yet, she isn’t.
When I first saw it, I was thrown off. Decades later, I embrace it. So glad you got the chance to see this version.
Best use of the word fuck in cinema history
What I like about the first 4 films is that they are all essentially the same, but really show off the visual style and sensibilities of their directors.
I know you guys didn't mention it, but I don't know if you noticed that the Alien (also known as the "Runner Alien) took on characteristics of the host, i.e., the Ox. Introducing the idea that the Xenomorphs take on quality's of what they gestate in. Also, in the original theatrical cut it was a dog that was impregnated, not an Ox. You can even hear the character who falls into the fan call the dogs name, saying "is that you Spike?" moments before his demise. The original design for the alien had a real dog in an Alien suit, but it was never followed through. You can however still see videos of a Whippit running around in an alien suit in behind the scenes footage.
It's odd to me that the Spike line is still in the Assembly cut, consering it was not originally in that scene at-all and was dubbed in after the fact to tie it in with the dog-birth after they changed it from the ox.
@@Painocusthey probably forgot to remove the line
Love this film, best music of the franchise, some great performances and just a good watch
45:05 "So, that's it then no more Ripley". Uh, yeah, well, about that.
Its amazing how so many great directors directed each Alien movie.
At 31:50 (for George), the xenomorphs are not a product of evolution but rather bioengineering. Also, please watch Alien Resurrection (aka Alien 4). I actually liked it more than Alien 3. The actor who played Tuco Salamanca is in it.
The bioengineering crap didn’t come into existence until Prometheus decades later. The first and second films tell they story as if they are part of the natural order. Every comic from the 80s and 90s played off of this as well. One even suggesting that on their home world they were kept in check by other even more horrifying life forms but once off the planet they became invasive with no natural predators.
Ridley Scott tried to do a a bunch of Retcon stuff and say it was always his plan - which is just some George Lucas level myth.
None of that bioengineering stuff existed until decades later when Ridley Scott when all "George Lucas" on us and wanted to "improve" on past films. It is 100% clear in the first two films that they are animals from some planet somewhere out there. The worst thing Ridley Scott ever did in film was to "explain" the origins of the Aliens - which is worse than a prequel trilogy about Anakin Skywalker.
Simone gives the best, most sympathetic and kind, "Oh buddy..." in the world 😄❤
I think this is somewhat underrated. I have always liked it.
Alien 4 is one of the best of all, You guys will LOVE IT !!!
The problem with sequels is that there's an expectation that the public wants it bigger and louder than the last one, which was what "Aliens" was, it was a bigger and louder "Alien". There was always the idea that religion play a part of the third installment; the original draft taking place on a planet made entirely out of wood, like a church planet. This was scrapped. What I saw in the theaters when I was 13 however, despite the logistical nightmares behind it, did make an impression on me, even though I did love James Cameron's film a lot, I understood with the Director's Cut of "Aliens" that Ripley appears to greet each opening of the subsequent films with a loss. In "Aliens" it was the daughter, but in "Alien³" it was the entire "family" she gained in the prior film. This tells a lot about the extensive damage such a creature can have on just a single life, imagine a whole crew of people. To think, the three first Alien movies had great, talented young directors at the helm but the 3rd one appeared to fall under the most scrutiny and butchery at the hands of its studio industry. A true Fincher "debut" wouldn't happen until he made "Se7en" next but you do see his talent for visuals here.
"Alien: Resurrection" was written by Joss Whedon. I don't know if that's fair warning considering that you've seen his work on "Firefly" and the MCU, but it is a stylistic shift from the tone of this one. It has its fans.
I can't think of Alien 3 without hearing "Monks... In... Space..." in a Muppet Show voice.
Really happy you guys are returning to Alien! :) Alien 3 is really underrated in my opinion and I really like the Assembly Cut. Sigourney Weaver does actually return as Ripley in Alien: Resurrection but you'll have to see how they do it when you watch it. Also it's written by Joss Whedon and it's not the worst thing. Silly fun!
I think this one is better than people give it credit for...
It absolutely is. It may not be as brilliant as the first two, but it's still a very decent movie.
You also think fat chicks with 3 kids from multiple guys are gorgeous.
Agree! I love it!
Remember at the end of the first Alien movie when Ripley blasts it with the thrusters of the shuttle? Remember how it wasn't incinerated, merely pushed back? Molten lead was a good idea, sadly it only worked to piss it off to the point it broke its instinctual programming and went after Ripley for the kill.
Worth remembering that this assembly cut includes some modern CG aliens to fill in places where effects weren't originally completed.
I believe all the original aliens were puppets poorly composited.
There was actually a couple primitive CGI shots in the theatrical release that looked REALLY bad. Like...Blade-level bad, or worse.
@@trekkiejunk They didn't use CGI, It was a really bad composite shot
I saw this opening night, and I've loved David Fincher ever since. The Assembly Cut is certainly the way to go, although we'll never get a true "Director's Cut". Fox really did him dirty.
"Welcome to the planet Anthrax. Ours is a lonely life, dressing, undressing, bathing, making exciting underwear."
I saw the original movie first in cinema.
And I didnt ever think that it was bad, like critics did.
There are 2 major differences to the directors cut: In first version the carrier was the Dog instead of the Cow. Which i found slightly better... maybe the CGI-Baby looked to cute. And the secon difference, which i think they shouldnt cut it out... When ripley jumps upside down, the chestburster comes out of her. And with her last breath, she holdt the QueenBaby close, until they both dump into the metal.
imho this ist the photographicly most beautiful Alienmovie. Fincher was a total rookie, and they didnt give him any chance to let this movie succeed. But you can tell the style, the storytelling and his terrifying sense for these "no-way-youre-kidding"-Moments. I like this movie even an inch more than camerons one. Its not that wildwest shooting. its more intelligent, like scotts origin.
I'm so glad they watched the extended version. It's so much better than the theatrical release.
A superior version (and more Paul McGann too!)
I think the dog version would’ve made Simone quit the movie!
I've always really liked this one to be honest. The next one jumps the shark but this has some good worldbuilding, and there's some good performances.
Without spoiling in what capacity, Sigourney Weaver is indeed in Alien: Resurrection. 😊
She was in all the trailers, so not really spoiling.
also, “resurrection”. lol
@@joshuatapp3447 Yeah, but it's spoiling for someone going in blind in 2024.
Why would you tell them this? So, you can be the big boy who got a jump on the spoiler?
@@trekkiejunk parasocial?
The reason the facehugger has webbed legs is because it's a special kind that can implant queens. Also I think the reason shes hesitant to say anything about the xenomorph is because if the story gets back to weyland utani she would be made to dissapear
Excellent reaction guys!
If you actually dug this movie, definitely give Resurrection a chance. My wife and I love it. The director did "Amelie" after, which is an absolutely terrific French comedy/drama.
I'm so glad to see people finally appreciating this film. It got so much grief when it came out but it's so good. IMO anyway.
This version is so much better than the theatrical release.
Dillon's speeches and the music are two bright spots in this movie.
they did Hicks and Newt dirty.
Simone and George accept Hicks and Newt died by watching this movie
There was a *6 years* difference between Aliens and Alien³. My guess replacing Newt actress would be too jarring.
They mostly come at night….mostly
At least Bishop got to like her new haircut. 😢
I'd say check out the novel Alien Earth Hive; it was written as an alternative to Alien 3, and was supposed to have Hicks and Newt as the main characters, but due to legal reasons with the studio the author had to change them into all new characters.
In the theatrical cut the alien comes out of a dog, not an oxen.
Also they do not capture the alien because the studio thought it removed some of its threat if these unarmed men would be able to capture it. Fincher argued that it created more tension because the viewers would think "Wait, it's captured? Well, now what? It has to get out, obviously. How is that going to happen?" The scene cuts from the accidental fire to them arguing "What are we going to do now?" when Ripley goes off to scan her body to see if she's been implanted.
I don't get the criticism this movie gets for being _dark,_ like, what were the previous two movies??
"Oh no, Hicks and Newt die right off the bat" well this ain't some family sitcom, what do you mean??
It's boring, unlike the first two.
They could have written them out of the movie without killing them. For example, by having only Ripley's pod being ejected because of the contagion, etc. Having said that, I loved the atmosphere of this movie. I wouldn't change anything else but that (if we're talking about the Assembly Cut).
@@ryanjacobson2508not enough macho men with assault rifles for ya, eh? Go play CoD
5:07 -- Charles Dance, in "The Last Action Hero"..
I don’t care what people have said about this movie in the past; I’ve always loved it.
Love those bomber jackets on prisoners, almost as cool as Kyle Reese wearing in Terminator 1 flashbacks.
A lot of people dislike this because of what happened to Hicks and Newt, but I think it is possibly one of the best of the original three. The oppression is so much more... desperate in this film.
44:57 - I saw what you were going for George, unfortunatley you were JUST off-camera.
I love Alien 3. Assembly Cut is definitely the one to watch. Watch Wreckage & Rage, the making of Alien 3, that goes into great detail about the production.
You under estimate Hollywood George. Sigourney IS in Alien 4: Resurrection. Hence the name Resurrection.
ty for this. i have not seen this version of Alien 3 before.
Love the thumbnail. 🙂
The Death of Ripley was actually Weaver's idea which was rejected by James Cameron. She became a producer on ALIEN 3 which had her making the death of her character the big selling point for rounding out Ripley's character. A big payday and exec producer credit got her to come back for ALIEN RESURRECTION.
This is underrated. Not as good as the first 2, but I enjoy it.
George, I'm still waiting for Hitch Hikers guide.
I'd say it's rated.
This was the perfect way to round out the trilogy, such a damned good film.
People give this movie crap but apart from some bad effects it is so damn good. yeah its different from the others but its really inventive. I like the idea that the xenomorph changes its abilities based on what animal it gestates in. making it a quadruped and fast makes it so much scarier. imagine this film with modern effects.
I love this movie. It's definitely polarizing. I only ever saw the theatrical cut for years and enjoyed it, but the extended cut is even better!
George likes watching competent people acting competently. He's going to hate Prometheus and Covenant.
The poster: 3 Times The Suspense, Danger, and Terror!!! The movie: A group of bald prisoners spend most the runtime planning how to take down a single dog sized alien in some corridors.
4 has Ripley in it, but not as you expected ;)
It's Space Jam Ripley 😂
I've seen this movie probably a hundred times and this is the first time I've seen the cow. I've always seen the dog
You've seen the theatrical version, This is the assembly version
Wich is the closest to the original intent for the movie
I'll take Fincher's nihilistic purgatory over Cameron's space marines any time.
Yes the Alien franchise doesn 't need that feel good family movie crap. Not to mention the awful dumb grunt dialogue which could have been in Predator.
This movie is much maligned, but i've always loved it. The atmosphere is oppressive and depressive but masterful, triumph in spite of absolute despair. Great performances, great set production, and some great dialogue. Charles S. Dutton's speech convincing the others of the plan might be one of my favourite moments in the series ("Do you want it on your feet? ...or on your fuckin' knees!"). Chills every time.
I just wish the assembly cut didn't completely ruin the scoring during Ripley's sacrifice. Plays like it was cut together haphazardly by an intern (probably was to be fair!) and could do with rescoring for the cut.
Sigourney Weaver very much is in Alien 4
It’s Hollywood and sci-fi. No one dies permanently.
@@emilywilhite5807 No one's ever really gone.
Also I love all 4 movies. You should ignore the haters of 3 and 4. Each movie does something different and that's good.
Resurrection, Prometheus, Covenant, Romulus and Alien v Predator and Alien v Predator Requiem
Good list, avoid them all.
AvP: Requiem is not worthy ín that sentence!
@@kennethfharkin Everyone I've seen that reacted so resurrection liked it, some more then others but nobody hated it. AvP is also a fun movie. Don't expect the most and you'll be pleasantly suprised. The main actress does a lot for the movie too.
@@Tconl ugh... i expected avp to be bad and it managed to undercut my expectations by miles... calling it fun is an insult to fun movies
@@stefanforrer2573 Well a lot of people and all reactors I've seen luckily disagree with that.
Loved playing the Alien 3 game on the Sega Megadrive back in the late 90s