There could not have been a more perfect cast than Michael Fassbender as a young Magneto. He's intimidating, but also sympathetic. The scene of him moving the satellite legit had me in tears when I watched this movie recently. This is my favorite X-Men movie, and I'm glad Jen's getting to see it Also Weatherman's name is Riptide
Holden might be missing the point of Magneto. His whole tragedy as a villain is that he continues the cycle of bigotry and hatred through his trauma, he's a holocaust survivor who essentially grows up to be the mutant equivalent of Hitler.
Exactly, magneto was part of a group that was targeted as a child, so when it starts happening again he lashes out, be won't let that happen again, which makes total sense, it's basically when the prettiest gets power the bullied becomes the bully
He's not really a mutant Hitler. You're thinking of Apocalypse. Magneto doesn't really hate all humans, he just hates the injustice humans put mutants through and as such he wants to spark a world revolution and have mutants run society. However, he is willing to achieve that through any means necessary, even if he must kill all humans. But he eventually realized that he was asking for too much and so he instead created Genosha, which is basically Israel for mutants.
Also think about this. Who was Magneto's only, or at least most impactful teacher in his life? Shaw. What were his lessons? Hatred. Prejudice. Racism. Pain. Of course he'd grow up like the man he hated the most. And although Hitler may not be a completely apt comparison, Malcolm X and other violent revolutionaries may be
Actually Charles is dumb he is like idealist and magneto is realist that's the difference and Eric line sums it up i have been at mercy of men following orders never again the meaning is so deep
I’ll even take X-men 3 over this movie 😆 . I watched this movie the day it premiered in theaters and was confused/so disappointed. I’m glad that they didn’t give up on this series though they certainly expand on it in the next two.
Same, this and Days of future past are my favorite by far other than Logan. I honestly don’t know why u can really dislike this movie that much it’s a good team up action and time period movie that’s a lot like the early X-men comics.
Yea this is much better than the original ones besides the whole mystique stuff they kept going through in these ones. It’s almost like wolverine in the first feww
i actually really loved this movie. i think there was a sort of cheesy charm to the first 3 movies, and this took it in a slightly more mature direction that i really loved.
This is the movie that saved the X-Men franchise. It also proved that you can make a great X-Men movie without Wolverine. I saw this movie in theaters and I still remember the breathtaking scene where Magneto lifted the submarine. It also made James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence A-listers.
Agree... this film actually felt a lot more like the comics than any of the others. If I have a beef with it, it would be that Emma Frost is WAY, WAY better in the comics - she's written really badly here.
McAvoy and Fassbender got notorious with Last King of Scotland and Inglourious Basterds...not with this movie. Lawrence was with Winters Bone and later with Hunger Games, for which she was already cast at this point.
Wait… I thought this was considered as the movie that saved X-Men and Days of future past was the one that basically peaked the original franchise. Am I crazy to love these 2 movies?
@@sweetnasty2423 nope it was crap movie DOFP is the one that saved it not this one. this was crap but most is to much like it closer to comics then and thing else, but what else did it have? charles and eric acting was great the rest was boardline boring they did not sound as if they was taking it serious and you call that good? the story was crap and rushed.
This movie did inyect new energy to the brand and DOFP was the best X-Men movie beside Logan. I think Holden is over reacting his criticism of this movie because it was more "juvenile" without taking in account that most of the X-Men characters were supose to be really young (early/mid 20's). But I also think that Jennifer Lawrence was miscast, considering how little care she had to the character in the last films of the franchise.
I can appreciate that Holden and Jen didn't like the scene with the young mutants acting like teenagers, however, I thought that scene was pretty important because of how much they changed after the attack on the base. It just showed the contrast between how carefree youth can be and the impact of tragedy when you see people around you murdered. I also liked that they chose to include the brother of cyclops, even though I've never been a fan of Havock. I've always liked this movie. More so than the original trilogy, but I agree that without Fassbender and McAvoy it is a very different movie. My biggest gripe with the film is they spent so much time with Charles and Eric, that they didn't really do much with anybody else. Maybe it should have just been about them and not included the others, saving the building of the team for another film, but all of that is history now, so it doesn't much matter. It is what it is, and I still liked it.
I honestly don't understand how someone could want less dimensionality on characters. Yes, they aren't battlehardened professionals, it's a bunch of people with mutations. Go to any place where people meet for the first time and the first thing they'll do if they can is party, bonding and all that, teenagers/yound adults especially. I get how you could see Beast hanging from the ceiling as cheesy, but i think of it as a "party trick", so it really didn't bother me. On Mystique: I think she starts her journey towards the badass character Jen knows from the earlier installments, but for most of the movie we see a character that constantly had to hide who she was. What does that do to a person ? Charles and Magneto cannot relate to that and i like that, Hank can (to an extent, because the powers aren't similar at all). Yet, both Charles/Magneto and Mystique/Hank arrive at opposite conclusions. I see absolutely nothing wrong with showing a character struggle with very important concepts for a whole movie. It's kinda baffling even, because that is exactly the criticism thrown at the rest of the cast, because they were just "kinda there" so we had their powers around for the big showdown. So i agree there, but i guess that is what happens when you stitch together two movie concepts and decide to mostly focus on the central players. I would have loved a 3hour cut that gave more characters room to breath, but that shifts the tonality and seeing every character go through some seperate epic story can also get tedious fast. So yeah, keeping it to 2h isn't exactly the best thing for side characters/villains. Idk, i guess "Toad" was better ?
Holden said "a little raunchy for the X-Men huh?" This movie is one of the most accurate X-Men films. The Hellfire Club, Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost. The early comics from the 60's , 70's, 80's did not read down to fans. They were very adult, smart with serious themes and concepts. I started reading X-Men around 9 or 10 yrs old. I love that they did not read low brow. Comics back in the day actually made you smarter. My vocabulary alone was years ahead of my peers.
X2, First Class, DOFP, Deadpool and Logan are very accurate to the comics. Heck, DOFP is actually even better than the comic in some ways. The first X-Men movie is semi-accurate, but it's not based on any particular comic storyline. The Wolverine is also somewhat accurate to the comics, but mostly just in terms of aesthetics.
"This movie is one of the most accurate X-Men films." Uhhhh.....no. I mean.... Eh... None of them are accurate. But god, this movie really ruined Mystique, Magneto, and Xavier's histories, and totally botched the First Class itself, aside from Beast.
Plot-wise, this is the best X-men movie ever. So much happens, so much development from every single character and things that circle back around, so much symbolism, so much beauty. I don’t get how some people don’t see that. The final “moving coin” scene, Charles experiencing that memory from Eric, the students training sequence, all those scenes are pure gold
Holden: Spends 2 hours making negative comments about the movie. Jen: This is my least favourite of the X-men movies. Holden: What? How did that happen?
@@adamh6281 But you could kinda tell from his expressions that he wasn't a big fan of this movie. When you look at his reactions to the MCU, Spider-Man and Dark Knight movies, you could tell that he's looking forward to it. Didn't really get that for this reaction, but that's just me.
or the movie was bad for her. you make it seem as if she does not have her own mind. since they are couple it likely have near close the same taste in movies it will not be perfect but they will be close. there was better x-men movies alot better.
It still blows my mind that he doesn't like this movie, I remember how I felt when they did the friend review. After Logan this is clearly the best X-Men movie. It saved the Franchise (not box office wise but interest-wise)! The writing and acting is excellent, the groovy retro feel is fun and classy. A few bumps in the road (all moves have them) and some production issues but still love this movie!
First Class is probably my favorite X-Men movie, even including Logan. For me it’s either this one or DOFP (yes, even trumping X2). The early Xavier/Magneto stuff is just the best.
This is my favorite of all the X-Men movies. Y'all said it felt a little weird how Magneto basically kind of adopted the same beliefs as the people that killed his family. I look at it as he realized that he once again as a mutant, was a person who's people would be persecuted and killed just because of who they were and how they were born. And he wasn't going to go through that again. He felt like no matter what, people won't change so he would do whatever it took to protect himself and his people.
@@phil8821 Also DOFP took away the comic accurate costumes and whatnot. Even Magneto's helmet is less red in DOFP than it was here. Bryan Singer's hatred of comics unfortunately tainted even DOFP.
Jen is expecting Mystique to be in the same head-space as the one from 50 years in the future, but fails to acknowledge that her confidence and self-esteem in those movies are through the roof. Going from First Class where she maintains human form mostly and only her og form when with Charles. To the first trilogy where she doesn't care what people think and is proud of who she is or what she looks like. So much to the point that she walks around naked. "Mutant and Proud" Yes she tried to sleep with Wolverine as Jean and Storm, but other than that she only changes her look to remain undercover, rather than being ashamed.
Agree, Jen was too hard on Mystique here, she is much younger andit does sow the seeds of who she becomes. The film is still greatly flawed and doesn't do good service to most of the other charaters.
Agreed, but I can't agree with Jen's remakes about Mystic, I mean in this movie she is young, she is new to this and accepting her mutation and I don't think Jen has taken that into consideration as at this point we've only experienced Mystic as a grown woman who has been with Magneto for years which obviously her strength and personality would have evolved from how she started as a teenager.
I actually liked this movie more than the trilogy. I don't agree with a lot of their critiques, because it's supposed to be an origin story where these characters discover and learn to control their powers. It's a bit unfair to compare how they're portrayed in this movie compared to them in their prime in the trilogy. I also never really cared that much about their costumes or appearance, I thought they looked perfectly fine. I'm curious about their thoughts on the next one, because that's still my favourite x-men movie (not counting Logan).
I completely agree with you. This should not be compared to the original trilogy when it comes to character portayal. Especially after Holden described it as a reboot and not an actually predecessor to the original trilogy. I actually really like this movie. My 2nd favorite of all the team up x-men movies after X2
I agree too. This movie got me into X-men because I wasn’t a fan of the trilogy. Although I do agree they had some bad lines when they were coming up with the nicknames, Beast’s costume looks laughable and Darwin dying but that’s it. It’s a solid 8 for me. I think Holden isn’t explaining that this is their younger selves and instead is talking about timelines. I feel like talking about the timelines are confusing.
Totally agree. I was not a fan of the original trilogy at all. X2 was ok. But he's talking about their portrayal in the trilogy, which sucked. Rogue, cyclops, storm was were portrayed terribly in the trilogy.
Both Magneto's chess piece and Professor X's reincarnation cliffhangers are followed up on The Wolverine's post-credits scene though, it's literally the reason why they're active in DOFP. Also, Wolverine is the only character to reprise his role in this movie, which makes sense since this is a prequel and Logan ages slowly. The X-Men franchise has several plot holes but you're just manufactoring them where they don't exist.
Yeah I hope he sees this because he’s said that X3’s ending isn’t explained twice now and it very clearly is at the end of the Wolverine lol I hope they watch that before DoFP but I doubt it
Wrote this on a previous video too, He does a lot of the time act like there are issue that aren’t really issues and he just didn’t pay much attention to it
Exactly, well said my friend. They should had just watched them in plot chronological order. I said this from the start I feel like a lot of hate for this movie also came from nostalgia bias because they were not the same actors as the "future" trilogy
No, it’s definitely a plot hole. They wrote those into X3 with no idea what they were going to do with it or even if they would do something with it. It’s just a ending stinger. They brought them back later because they needed to and could. Still was never explained how it worked and they never bothered because nobody cares as long as they were back, and the continuity was already a mess.
I dont think you're wrong about your criticism of the stereotypical bad guy henchmen, but the original trilogy had some of the worst instances of this too. Sabretooth and Toad were terrible. Pyro was the best developed and he was just an angst filled teen.
And what did X2 have? The supposed best in the series? Lady Deathstrike who also was a boring mute nothing character and... And that's it. EDIt: oh and Stryker's son, who's also a mute and sucks.
My guy went into this movie hating it and wanted Jen to hate it too. Bruh... How do you like the cheesiness of the Raimi trilogy and then not like this for the same reason?
Yeah. I don’t get why he hates TASM and DC for trying too hard to be dark and gritty but ignored it in the first X trilogy which had the same “look how realistic we are!” problem. This film actually embraced the energy and creativity of the comics. This is the X-Men film fans clamored to have for years.
When holden loves a movie he talks and makes jokes way less then when he doesn't. When he doesn't like it's jokes after giggles after jokes, and for sure influence anyone on a first watch.
At the point when this was made, it's the best X-Men movie, tonally. It has its problems, but what it does well, it shows the characters as a team, and every member has a role to play, while wearing and embracing their classic yellow and blue uniforms. One of things about this film is that it has a MUCH lower budget, because the franchise took such a hit after Last Stand and Origins, that Fox worried about it's success. So Matthew Vaughn had to get this on time, and for the most part, it worked. Most of the budget gets fixed in the next movies... But also get worse, because they tried to compete with the MCU's scale. This was Jennifer Lawrence's second big movie, because her first was Winters Bone, which won her an Oscar, and launched her career, then Hunger Games happened, and you'll see why Fox made Mystique so prominent than she ever was the past movies. But at the same time, you can see Jennifer lose SO MUCH interest as time goes. Characters who are cooler or mean more in other stuff: Azazel: He's a higher demon who sleeps with Mystique and becomes Nightcrawler's father (He's from Chuck Austen's run, which was... Pretty yikes, and they will never mention Mystique being related to Kurt in these) Angel Salvatore: She's from the Grant Morrison New X-Men, she looks not good as Zoe Kravitz, and had a small arc in that story. Darwin: He's freakin' awesome, and has the best power set, and they just killed him, which I always get angry about, since they killed an immortal black man. Emma Frost: The White Queen of the Hellfire Club at first (They wore fancy 17th century attire for the men, and lingerie and cloaks for the women, and they owned those looks) Emma later becomes an X-Men, and becomes one of the leaders of the team (with a very intense love affair with Cyclops, which was kinda problematic), which sucks here because she's kinda nothing here... And January Jones isn't giving us much. Banshee: He's pretty cool, and even has daughter, Syrin, who joins the team. Havok: Alex Summers is Scott's younger brother (older brother here, but whatever) and has interesting stories, but after this, he's hardly there. "Weather Man", is Riptide, he's such a minor character in the comics and here, that you'd forget that he didn't have any lines this, and why do mention all of this, because they're all disposed of in this, or in between movies, like they don't even care, oops Spoilers, but not really. Sorry for long X-Men rants, X-Men has always been main comic bread and butter.
Excellent comments - although not stuff we could expect Jen to know (or, apparently, Holden either). Really disappointed in this vid. Jen seemed pretty engaged, but Holden’s dislike came through from the very beginning - then he got carried away with the jokes and comments. Jen maintains her own independent viewpoint and says she’s not influenced by others. I think that’s true, but under these circumstances I think there’s gonna be some influence when it’s that blatant. Holden: this is “My Girlfriend Watches”. Not “I Comment While My Girlfriend Watches”. Let her watch and comment and ask questions! It’s why I watch these vids.
@@glitterspray I agree, his dislike for this movie was evident from the beginning and it showed in the reaction. If the person sitting next to you reacts badly its going to affect you.
"Weather Man" was Riptide. Alex Summers/Havok is Cyclops's brother, who is older than him in this but in the comics Cyclops is older. Azazel, the red teleporter, is Nightcrawler's father, so that means he has to hookup with Mystique at some point since she's his mother.
i think they did a much better job at portraying Eric's powers in these movies. the effects of him controlling the knife in that bar scene looks really cool.
I feel like you both didn't understand this film, took note of the conversations, or even where characters are at in the film. Saying Mystique wasn't a 'strong' individual of the movie, and using that as a critism completely misses the point and ignores the goal of the film from her standpoint as a character. Just listen to what Eric says to her when she's benching, it's all there directly or in the subtext.
@The Cracked Lenses agreed. I feel Holden has reached a point where he just scans a movie for moments/scenes where he can shoe-horn in a meme or a cheap joke so that his editor (or he himself) can zoom in on his face for extra effect.
This movie got me into Magneto. The "they're just following orders" line is so good because maybe at that moment there was an ounce of Erik listening to Charles but that line was the final straw. Seeing the Americans and Soviets joining up last minute to kill them, Magneto needed no other evidence in his mind that another Holocaust would occur without him stopping it
and if the future that almost unfolded in Days of Future Past was anything to go by, he was right, and always has been. Not in like a moral or ethical sense, but that he is literally correct, and you can see just how Fassbender embodies that and uses it to drive his performance.
As I'm sure a few people have mentioned, this is one of the better X-Men movies ( and personally one of my favorites ). It does have its issues but its generally quite solid. Just wanted to mention a few things though. The reason that mystique and beast feel so different is cause they are, both emotionally and physically. The idea is that both are uncomfortable with their bodies, that they're different, and is something that is re-iterated numerous times (magneto and previous movies), means they're not going to be as grounded and comfortable with their bodies. They're growing up. Same for the "party scene" as Holden mentioned. Right after that, once they actually see how real and dangerous things are, they stop acting like completely idiots and try their best. Anyways, sad to hear you both thought it was a 5.5 but it is what it is.
A lot of that is Marvel's fault, honestly. They crapped hard on the X-Men because of Fox owning the film rights. They stripped them from most of our modern media, so most forgot about them or just didn't grow up with them.
@@bryanlozano1996 I never understood the idea behind that. Did they not realize that the X-Men movies inspired millions of people to read the comics? Not to mention Marvel was at the verge of bankruptcy before the success of the first movie. But then again, I stopped reading the comics after the Avengers vs X-Men storyline. I feel like the modern comics only serve to promote the MCU. And the comics just don't feel the same now that Marvel is a big conglomerate rather than a humble publisher in New York.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Same. It was pretty clear that Marvel was trying to make the X-Men the menaces of their established world. Stopped reading after AvX. I think they thought that because of their success with Iron Man, they could really blow up the popularity of the Avengers without having to deal with their more popular franchise (X-Men). They completely did it out of spite and, regardless, found huge success. The Avengers are so damn popular now, and the X-Men are dwindling in popularity outside the comics. Now if they plan on using them in the MCU, they're going to have to undo what they did.
@@bryanlozano1996 So it turns out that Marvel only shot itself in the foot. They bastardized the X-Men comics. In fact, I have never seen Cyclops so out of character as he was in AvX. Then they divorced Black Panther and Storm for practically no reason (though their marriage came out of nowhere in the first place). What's worse is that after AvX, they completely sidelined Hope Summers, whom we have watched grow and develop for 6 years. Heck, Wolverine even tried to kill her without a second thought, which is very weird considering for the past 40 years he has always been very fatherly and protective towards young girls. Even the movies got that aspect right by showing his relationship with Rogue and Laura. But how ironic is that Marvel wanted to deprive Fox of source materials and now they have to do some serious damage control in order to keep the fans on their side. Oh, and they have to do the same with Fantastic Four, whom Marvel treated even worse than the X-Men.
@@vetarlittorf1807 And THAT is exactly why Marvel is reviving the 90s X-Men show with a soft continuation. Obviously the 90s X-Men were the most popular depiction(s) of the team, and Marvel in general. Whether or not they do it justice is too early to tell. But if they end up benching Cyclops and Storm for Wolverine again, I'm done with everything Marvel.
Mathew Vaughn!!! He has a great unique style. You can also see it shine in the first Kingsmen movie and Kick - Ass, with Kick-Ass being my favorite piece of work from him!
This film is easily one of my favorites alongside DOFP, the performances alone were phenomenal. 😡 Holden, you should keep your own thoughts of the film, any of them besides facts, until after Jen or Matt give their thoughts. Any initial thoughts can sway any expectation. Anyways, look forward to DOFP.
Agree. I was surprised because typically Holden doesn’t do that, although he does make silly comments that too often distract. Which can get annoying itself, when you’re looking forward to a serious viewing and viewpoints from obviously intelligent people.
@@glitterspray yeah exactly! he usually doesnt do that but i can tell he just had to bring it up for this particular film. And yes the silly comments are usually funny but not for serious moments, that bothers me too lol
"Let's just say I'm Frankenstein's monster and I'm looking for my creator "🤯💯💯🔥 and I've been mercy of the men who just following orders... best line by magnito most underrated film of the series 🤯🤯💯
I don’t think Magneto instantly changed his ideology at the end. He was gonna kill Shaw either way for revenge but during earlier conversations with Charles he was already against humans and knew they would fear mutants no matter if their powers were used for good or bad, and he was actually correct.
I think this is one of the best X-men films in my opinion. It has that nice golden age comic book feel. I loved seeing Banshee and Havok on screen. Kevin Bacon’s over the top villain was fantastic. Fassbender and McAvoy were genius casting. And, the time period is fabulous. All in all this should have been a reboot of the saga instead of a prequel. Easily one of the top three X-men films.
same, Havok is my favorite superhero of all time and Banshee is in my top 5 X-Men, I got furious when he sarcastically said "Man, I wish I got to see more Havok"
This is inarguably among the best X-Men movies, and my personal #1. I genuinely just don’t understand most of Holden’s criticisms and I hate that his negative energy fed into Jen’s experience. Ultimately, the impression I get from Holden’s criticisms is that he just has a lot of nostalgia for the original trilogy and hates that this movie doesn’t bend its knees to accommodate all of the frankly shallow backstory that is set up in those older films. First Class does its own thing and is all the stronger for it, and it’s by far the best directed movie with Matthew Vaughn giving it some proper style and giving each character moments to shine. I think Holden needs to not present these movies to new viewers by going over all of the inconsistencies from one movie to the next. Just let people enjoy the ride, and appreciate the movies on their own for what each one offers. I watched the whole series for the first time as a teenager leading into the release of Days of Future Past, so I have no nostalgia for any of these from being a kid and I did notice the inconsistencies, but they didn’t bother me all too much. When I showed them all to my girlfriend years later, she also simply didn’t overly care about the inconsistencies because, again, First Class is just a damn good film. It’s never productive to take someone into a movie by setting them up to dislike it. Even for the X-Men movies I don’t enjoy, like The Last Stand or Origins: Wolverine, I intentionally didn’t point out any issues I had or make fun of the movies before or during the viewing with my girlfriend. I waited until we finished so that she could really form her own opinion without bias, and I usually feel like Holden does this but you really projected your bias here.
All the characters were so much younger and acted that way, so it made sense to me. I can handle the few janky effects that occurred. I love this film.
I actually quite enjoy X-Men: First Class a lot, and I think it's much better than X-Men: The Last Stand, but hearing all of your criticisms, I'm surprised how much I actually agree with a lot of them. I just don't think the not-so great elements outweigh the great stuff like the evolution and relationship between Eric and Charles in particular. I totally would have watched a Magneto: Nazi Hunter movie. That could've been so cool, plus you could delve into the very real Operation Paperclip and all of the space rocket and brainwashing experiments former Nazi scientists were involved in with the CIA after WW2 (yeah, that happened, just like Nazis hiding out in South America in this movie happened). Emma Frost was definitely the biggest disappointment. Her being a bit risqué in her wardrobe is absolutely part of the character, so I don't have an issue with that, but like how these movies have treated Cyclops, she's a much more dominant, charismatic and psychologically interesting character in the comics, and this movie does not do her justice in any way past her visual presentation. I also really like how they ground it in a historical setting (and their yellow and blue uniforms). I think this movies flaws are more apparent over time, but I do think it is still really good. Days of Future Past is my favorite X-Men movie, though, so I look forward to you guys getting to that. Although you can get away with not watching The Wolverine first to understand DOFP, you guys totally should watch it beforehand anyway (assuming it hasn't been done on this channel already). It's a good followup to The Last Stand that feels like an interesting exploration of Logan's status quo after Jean's death, and it's end credits scene perfectly sets up DOFP. It has a revelation relevant to the ending of The Last Stand that's kind of important to know before DOFP, otherwise, anyone who hasn't seen it is gonna have so many questions about why certain charavters are even in that movie at all.
Yeah, it sucked but it didn't ruin the movie. It wasn't about Darwin anyway, he was a side character. Fassbender and McAvoy are the heart of this series and without them the movies would have failed.
I love this movie, and I'm surprised neither of them liked it, but not surprising since Holden was crapping on it all movie, definitely influencing Jen's opinion. You both are definitely in the minority with your opinions on this, but not everyone likes everything. 5.5? This film is an 8 easily.
the lawn is actually super long and umkempt, Charles just uses his mind power to fool everyone. The house is actually 1 bedroom 1 bath bungalow as well but again ~mind powers~ lol
Its not a reboot cause days of future past resets the timeline before this so technically its just a continuation in a differenr timeline, so like a soft reboot
What you were saying about Jennifer Lawrence’s portrayal was probably intentional for this movie because Mystique hadn’t yet developed that strength of having a solid self identity. She really develops the character in subsequent films.
The cliffhanger from X3 kind of gets resolved though. Magneto has his powers again, and Charles is alive in his twins body in the post credits scene of the Wolverine, that sets up the next movie
What if that energy changes forms faster than he can adapt? That’s what I always saw it as, the energy was rapidly changing and his mutation couldn’t keep up.
@@northwindkey that's not how Shaws powers work in the movie in any other scene. And that's fine if that's what they want to say but that's not how his powers are described. And also, Darwins powers are to adapt...doesn't matter how much the energy changes he should be able to adapt to it. And the way his powers work even if he can't adapt directly to the power his body would simply develop a way to either shield him from the energy or eject it from his body. For example there was a time in the comics where he was fighting the Hulk at first his body tried to absorb the gamma radiation from the Hulk but then when Hulk started beating his ass his body determined the best way to protect him from the Hulk was to simply teleport him away from where the Hulk was.
@@northwindkey i mean in one comic page it shows his body adapting to try and fight the hulk. So his body evolved to be able to absorb the gamma energy from the hulk. The problem was that there was to much energy to drain so there wasn’t time and so Hulk punched him and nightcrawler goes “His body has reached the same conclusion. The best defense against the Hulk is to be somewhere else” So his power does give him the ability to evolve into someone that can absorb energy
@@derrickmarais I was a huge X-Men fan and reader around the the time of the 80s cartoon with Jubilee etc. I collected the comics religiously for a decade or more. And First Class is the best ensemble X-Men movie by a country mile. (Logan of course is a savage movie. )
Not trying to say she has no agency or own opinions but sitting next to holden watching it will sour the experience of course. I'd wager her opinion would be different if watching it alone.
Well Holden swayed her saying it sucks before hand and then kept making annoying remarks lol. He doesnt know anything about X-men based on this reaction
This is a shame that both Holden and Jen didnt like this great movie. This movie worked really well and was a great surprise following the awful X3. I didn't find any of it laughable and I found Hank so much a better all round character than Kelsey Grammars weaker version of Beast (even if he just looks better). I do agree with the Jennifer Lawrence version though. The rest if the mutants are fantastic and work really well with this Cuban missile crisis story line. This is arguably better than X1 and obviously X3. You also seem to forget that kids will be kids! Thank goodness for this movie that saved the X-men! Also Days of Future Past is not a soft reboot at all, its a classic X-men story. They are different timelines.
This movie was a pleasant surprise for me. I really liked the original trilogy and I thought this movie was gonna suck. But turns out I enjoyed it. It even make the X-Men look more "serious" (I dont know what the best word for it). Cant wait for the Days of Future past. The best X-men movie ever
I thought so too, and Xmen Phoenix had so many bad reviews before I got to watch it, and it was a very good ending FOX considering Disney now has their cheesy little Mouse hands all over it. They will dumb it down to fit the M-SHE-U after Endgame, and of course, everything will be professor X's fault, and the X-men will be stupid and incompetent and the X-Women will rule the day, just like Black Widow, just like Chang-Shi, just like Kennedy's whole Star Wars debacle trilogy. Male chauvinism is never good, and X-men first class did a good job of showing it that way from the time period of the 1960s, but female chauvinism in the M-SHE-U, Stars Wars, CBS' failed Star Wrecks, and now rebooting the DCEU in Flashpoint to have a Superwoman and Batwoman be the trinity with WB/DC while erasing the SnyderVerse is just too much! I've got my collections of my favorite comics and sci-fi in print and film now digitized without the 21st century Woke Jokes, and I'm just fine with watching the classics, not adding any of this modern garbage to my library!
@@alh06 So Han Solo and Luke Skywalker were not reduced from the heroes they were in the original trilogies and reduced to bumbling incompetent fools, while the women were shown to be the real power behind the rebellion? So the side praising the female trinity of superwoman, wonder woman, and batwoman have all their information and sources wrong and those cursing it are wrong also? So Picard is not ridiculed like a child by women Admirals and Patrick Stewart is wrong claiming his Star Trek is in a different universe from the TNG and Discovery is not so woke for putting R rated language into Star Trek as with Picard alienating most of the original fan base and the female Captain of the Discovery has not been retconned to be responsible for anything that ever was in Trek? So Black widow wasn't woke and Shang Chi, the Eternals, and yet their box office yields were far less than Spiderman No Way home? Exactly where is the nonsense? I guarantee is not with me!
i’m sorry but this movie is a million times better than the original x men trilogy. it actually gives every character down development and made us like them and actually embraced the inherent comic book silliness of the x men rather than the og trilogy which decided to ignore them and be like “oh look at us we’re so cool and ‘self-aware’ and the comics are so goofy and we’re so serious and cool”
Best X-men movie imo. This definitely saved X-men after the third movie of the original trilogy. And finally, a movie that is not all about Wolverine. Thank Jesus!
I remembered now what you guys said in last video “you don’t see the respect Xavier and Magneto have for each other as enemies anymore”.... YEA ITS CALLED GOOD WRITING (character development, etc. something you don’t find in today’s movies)
Sucks they edited out the best scene of the whole movie where Charles helps Erik remember celebrating Hanukkah with his mother. Very powerful scene and amazing acting.
Honestly Holden, at this point, you should probably just rewatch Origins wolverine and Logan with Jen on your guys own time, like not even in a video. thatll refresh her memory and smooth out any further explaining.
Having rewatched all these films recently, I honestly don’t know what Holden is referring to about things in Days of Future Past being different from this one. As far as I can remember, although the timeline isn’t completely consistent with the original trilogy, nothing really changed that much until around Apocalypse. Also, PLEASE at least have Jen rewatch the post credits for The Wolverine before DOFP, at least as a refresher.
Holden often comes off as someone who wants to sound unique in his reviews/takes but in the end just keeps repeating generic talking points or popular memes when it comes to criticisms or analysis.
I Hope MCU bring over Fassbender and Macavoy back when they bring in XMEN into the universe as they deserve a second chance as they were the best in this!
I loved this movie, especially Magneto and Professor. I remember thinking I wouldn't be okay with new actors coming along but I loved them more than the original ones
Magneto's theme from this movie may be the best supervillain theme ever. It is insanely powerful and nothing else in X-Men and dare I say the MCU comes close. EDIT: Holy crap, I forgot to even mention Rage and Serenity! The song so good it was used in two different movies! Henry Jackman really outdid himself for this movie.
I personally really liked that they acted more like young adults/teenagers since people tend to forget that when the X-Men first Created Ice Man, Jean, Scott, Hank, and Angel were all teenagers/young adults.
Holden's disdain for this film is so evident all the way through this movie. And I absolutely think it influenced Jen's take on the film (which is fine). I really enjoy this movie, and think it's one of the better Xmen films.
This is personally my 2nd fave X-Men film, my fave is by far Days of Future Past. Sad that it went downhill from there. Edit: Logan & Deadpool are up there too if we counting them
To be honest I don’t count the Wolverine and Deadpool movies as X-Men movies unless they focus the entire team in the film. That would be like saying Doctor Strange and Ant-Man are Avengers movies, which they aren’t.
Vetarlit Torf I see your point, but a title is what counts. If it’s “Bob’s trip to S-Mart”, it’s “Bob’s trip to S-Mart”. When I look at your point, I think of the people who think Bravely Default is a Final Fantasy game. Sure it has the job system, and the naming convention, but it is not a Final Fantasy game.
Sigh. This is probably the best one of the lot (either this, or Days of Future Past). Sure, there was a bunch of cheesiness, and some silly visuals, but that's the whole point, it's a comic book adaptation, and it seems to make you feel like it's a movie about the 60's, in the 60''s. Also, the duo of McAvoy and Fassbender deserved Oscars for their performances. They were just that good.
It makes perfect sense to have it more campy than the other movies. This movie takes inspiration from the Stan Lee era X-Men comics, which were in fact very cheesy. X-Men didn't start becoming dark and gritty until the 80's.
you mean crap and rushed story that crap all over eric and charles story the two both character in the movie, with some bad actors. just like other it has to have more then it like the comics it just did not have it.
The beginning of this film is a shot-for-shot remake of the beginning of X-Men, but it is not the same footage. However, I think it's a really interesting and compelling class in how tiny little differences in editing can have a huge impact on how hard a scene hits emotionally. In the original X-Men, some of the takes linger just a half second or so longer before cutting... and it makes a huge difference IMO. This version is not nearly as resonant with me. Though the rest of the film is wonderful I just feel like the first scene was shot and edited better the first time they did it.
I think they’re both excellent. The first maybe a bit more so. And I can’t stand watching either of them. Too grounded in reality. Really upsets me to see ☹️
I know, right? I know they said they're done with the roles but I actually cannot imagine play other people play those characters anymore, other than McKellen and Stewart
A lot of people don’t like this movie but I think it has some of the best scenes in all of the X-Men movies. The scene with Eric in the bar in Argentina is my favorite but also the scene where Charles helps Eric unlock his happiest memory with his mom is beautiful and the nuke scene is great because there isn’t a clear villain in that moment. You don’t want the men on the ships to die because they are just soldiers following orders but you obviously don’t want the X-Men to die so it keeps you in the edge of your seat wondering where the nukes are going to go. Also the scene where Eric is ripping the ship apart with the anchor and the Logan appearance, which was unscripted! He wasn’t meant to say “go f**** yourself” to them so their reactions are real and they left it in. Can’t wait to see Days of Future Past, it’s my favorite one because it has both sets of actors and they blend it together very well with an incredibly interesting concept. Can’t wait to see it!
The X-Men franchise has always had timeline problems. But I also think your making it out to be way more complicated than it actually is. When Jen watches DOFP I don't think she's ever going to be like "huh, I don't understand this". Lol
This clearly has the best costumes in all the movies. The comic accurate yellow and black looks perfect. Whereas in the other movies they just wear black leather... How exciting. God forbid they wear something that looks like a comic book!
This really was the first piece of X-men content I saw. I’d seen a few episodes of the old cartoon, but didn’t really know who anybody was or what their deal was until I saw this. Because of this being my viewing order, I ABSOLUTELY LOVED it!! Sorry y’all couldn’t enjoy it as much too…
Exactly, they should had watched the series in plot chronological order. It's not that hard to understand that way. Not at all. They are the same timeline, it just happens that they change the past at one point. Not a big deal. Not anymore complicated then Back to the future 2
@@masterblaster2053 no, I think the timeline is incredibly fucked up. I just choose not to ignore some of the minor stuff. I think the issue is watching the MCU, a tightly knit, thought out film series, before the X-men films.
Alex Summers is originally small brother of Scott Summers in the comics. But here Alex is shown as Scott's elder brother Plus Both Mystique and Azazel is known to be the parents of Nightcrawler and Rogue in the comics which we never got see in the movies.
I knew SOMEONE had to beat me to making this comment. Scott is the older brother to Alex. They are immune to each other's powers. Their father was in the Air Force, but captured by aliens. Christopher Summers ends up escaping and led a band of pirates called the Starjammers.
@@CaptainFrost32 ha ha. For once I had no clue about their dad. All I remember their parents died in a plane crash and unfortunately both Scott and Alex got separated from each other.
@@AMLAN815 The story that introduced Darwin also introduced the third Summers brother. The Shi'ar ship that set the Summers aircraft on fire teleported the parents aboard as the two boys were falling in a single parachute. Mrs. Summers was pregnant and Christopher was forced to watch her be abused. The baby was taken from her by forcible cesarean section. She died in childbirth and the child was raised by the Shi'ar as a slave. He eventually escaped to Earth, and met Xavier. Cyclops had just led the first class of X-Men to Krakoa. That was Iceman, Angel, Beast, Marvel Girl, Havok [Alex Summers] and Polaris. Xavier had gone to Moira's Mutant Research Center on Muir Island and met more mutants found by Moira. After meeting Gabriel Summers [aka Vulcan], Xavier read his mind and helped him assimilate to Terran speech and custom. Scott was sent back to Xavier after the first group were captured by Krakoa, Gabriel, Darwin, and two other mutants were hastily trained to take on a rescue mission, and failed. Cyclops was sent back again, and Xavier recruited the international cast of the Giant Sized X-Men. Cyclops, Storm, Nightcrawler, Banshee, Colossus, Thunderbird, and Sunfire. Again, they took on Krakoa to rescue the prior classes of mutants, except that Vulcan, Darwin, and his other two teammates were still on Krakoa until the island had been ejected into space. Xavier had to alter the memories of everyone involved as it was soul wrenching for Cyclops to lose an unexpected younger brother, as well as the additional 3 mutants. Years later, the truth came out as Darwin and Vulcan's powers enabled them to be in stasis until landfall. Vulcan later turned his attention on the Shi'ar Empire and he murdered the reigning Emperor, becoming an Emperor himself.
I loved this movie. It was fun watching Holden act like a little baby throughout the reaction. I can’t really take Jen’s reaction seriously when the person she’s watching it with acting like a brat the entire time.
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There could not have been a more perfect cast than Michael Fassbender as a young Magneto. He's intimidating, but also sympathetic. The scene of him moving the satellite legit had me in tears when I watched this movie recently.
This is my favorite X-Men movie, and I'm glad Jen's getting to see it
Also Weatherman's name is Riptide
Correction: Weatherman
Also half german
Holden might be missing the point of Magneto. His whole tragedy as a villain is that he continues the cycle of bigotry and hatred through his trauma, he's a holocaust survivor who essentially grows up to be the mutant equivalent of Hitler.
Exactly, magneto was part of a group that was targeted as a child, so when it starts happening again he lashes out, be won't let that happen again, which makes total sense, it's basically when the prettiest gets power the bullied becomes the bully
I feel like a lot of people miss this deliberately written character choice - even going back to the late 60s and 70s.
He's not really a mutant Hitler. You're thinking of Apocalypse. Magneto doesn't really hate all humans, he just hates the injustice humans put mutants through and as such he wants to spark a world revolution and have mutants run society. However, he is willing to achieve that through any means necessary, even if he must kill all humans. But he eventually realized that he was asking for too much and so he instead created Genosha, which is basically Israel for mutants.
Also think about this. Who was Magneto's only, or at least most impactful teacher in his life? Shaw. What were his lessons? Hatred. Prejudice. Racism. Pain. Of course he'd grow up like the man he hated the most. And although Hitler may not be a completely apt comparison, Malcolm X and other violent revolutionaries may be
Actually Charles is dumb he is like idealist and magneto is realist that's the difference and Eric line sums it up i have been at mercy of men following orders never again the meaning is so deep
Its actually really funny that Holden doesn't like First class. I really really love this movie. This is definitely my favorite X-Men movie.
I’ll even take X-men 3 over this movie 😆 . I watched this movie the day it premiered in theaters and was confused/so disappointed. I’m glad that they didn’t give up on this series though they certainly expand on it in the next two.
Are you an X-Men comics reader?
Same, this and Days of future past are my favorite by far other than Logan. I honestly don’t know why u can really dislike this movie that much it’s a good team up action and time period movie that’s a lot like the early X-men comics.
It’s his opinion pal
Yea this is much better than the original ones besides the whole mystique stuff they kept going through in these ones. It’s almost like wolverine in the first feww
i actually really loved this movie. i think there was a sort of cheesy charm to the first 3 movies, and this took it in a slightly more mature direction that i really loved.
It's actually the opposite. The first three movies were dark and gritty. This one draws inspiration from 60's campiness.
💯💯
@@vetarlittorf1807 lol
What? This movie is hokey as hell. Can’t stand it.
are you drunk?
This is the movie that saved the X-Men franchise. It also proved that you can make a great X-Men movie without Wolverine.
I saw this movie in theaters and I still remember the breathtaking scene where Magneto lifted the submarine.
It also made James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence A-listers.
Agree... this film actually felt a lot more like the comics than any of the others. If I have a beef with it, it would be that Emma Frost is WAY, WAY better in the comics - she's written really badly here.
This and the wolverine movies are the only ones i can seriously watch
@@Timmayytoo She's written badly and January Jones just seems bored in every scene.
It had the lowest gross, to date, and actually proved you need Wolverine for these films to make money.
McAvoy and Fassbender got notorious with Last King of Scotland and Inglourious Basterds...not with this movie.
Lawrence was with Winters Bone and later with Hunger Games, for which she was already cast at this point.
Wait… I thought this was considered as the movie that saved X-Men and Days of future past was the one that basically peaked the original franchise. Am I crazy to love these 2 movies?
They trippin in this video lol
@@sweetnasty2423 nope it was crap movie DOFP is the one that saved it not this one. this was crap but most is to much like it closer to comics then and thing else, but what else did it have? charles and eric acting was great the rest was boardline boring they did not sound as if they was taking it serious and you call that good? the story was crap and rushed.
This movie did inyect new energy to the brand and DOFP was the best X-Men movie beside Logan. I think Holden is over reacting his criticism of this movie because it was more "juvenile" without taking in account that most of the X-Men characters were supose to be really young (early/mid 20's). But I also think that Jennifer Lawrence was miscast, considering how little care she had to the character in the last films of the franchise.
Dofp falls apart when it becomes all about Mystique, only because Jennifer Lawrence was the biggest actress on the planet at the time
It is and Holden’s take on this film is so bad lol
I can appreciate that Holden and Jen didn't like the scene with the young mutants acting like teenagers, however, I thought that scene was pretty important because of how much they changed after the attack on the base. It just showed the contrast between how carefree youth can be and the impact of tragedy when you see people around you murdered. I also liked that they chose to include the brother of cyclops, even though I've never been a fan of Havock.
I've always liked this movie. More so than the original trilogy, but I agree that without Fassbender and McAvoy it is a very different movie. My biggest gripe with the film is they spent so much time with Charles and Eric, that they didn't really do much with anybody else. Maybe it should have just been about them and not included the others, saving the building of the team for another film, but all of that is history now, so it doesn't much matter. It is what it is, and I still liked it.
I honestly don't understand how someone could want less dimensionality on characters. Yes, they aren't battlehardened professionals, it's a bunch of people with mutations. Go to any place where people meet for the first time and the first thing they'll do if they can is party, bonding and all that, teenagers/yound adults especially. I get how you could see Beast hanging from the ceiling as cheesy, but i think of it as a "party trick", so it really didn't bother me.
On Mystique: I think she starts her journey towards the badass character Jen knows from the earlier installments, but for most of the movie we see a character that constantly had to hide who she was. What does that do to a person ? Charles and Magneto cannot relate to that and i like that, Hank can (to an extent, because the powers aren't similar at all). Yet, both Charles/Magneto and Mystique/Hank arrive at opposite conclusions. I see absolutely nothing wrong with showing a character struggle with very important concepts for a whole movie.
It's kinda baffling even, because that is exactly the criticism thrown at the rest of the cast, because they were just "kinda there" so we had their powers around for the big showdown. So i agree there, but i guess that is what happens when you stitch together two movie concepts and decide to mostly focus on the central players. I would have loved a 3hour cut that gave more characters room to breath, but that shifts the tonality and seeing every character go through some seperate epic story can also get tedious fast. So yeah, keeping it to 2h isn't exactly the best thing for side characters/villains. Idk, i guess "Toad" was better ?
Holden said "a little raunchy for the X-Men huh?" This movie is one of the most accurate X-Men films. The Hellfire Club, Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost. The early comics from the 60's , 70's, 80's did not read down to fans. They were very adult, smart with serious themes and concepts. I started reading X-Men around 9 or 10 yrs old. I love that they did not read low brow. Comics back in the day actually made you smarter. My vocabulary alone was years ahead of my peers.
I'm 18 rn and I agree those 60s-80s comics are amazing
X2, First Class, DOFP, Deadpool and Logan are very accurate to the comics. Heck, DOFP is actually even better than the comic in some ways.
The first X-Men movie is semi-accurate, but it's not based on any particular comic storyline. The Wolverine is also somewhat accurate to the comics, but mostly just in terms of aesthetics.
And Darwin going out like that....oh so accurate 😒
"This movie is one of the most accurate X-Men films."
Uhhhh.....no.
I mean....
Eh...
None of them are accurate.
But god, this movie really ruined Mystique, Magneto, and Xavier's histories, and totally botched the First Class itself, aside from Beast.
@@ieyke true but still it's more accurate than others
Plot-wise, this is the best X-men movie ever. So much happens, so much development from every single character and things that circle back around, so much symbolism, so much beauty. I don’t get how some people don’t see that.
The final “moving coin” scene, Charles experiencing that memory from Eric, the students training sequence, all those scenes are pure gold
Holden: Spends 2 hours making negative comments about the movie.
Jen: This is my least favourite of the X-men movies.
Holden: What? How did that happen?
He made his normal jokes, he didn't say anything bad really during the movie
@@adamh6281 But you could kinda tell from his expressions that he wasn't a big fan of this movie. When you look at his reactions to the MCU, Spider-Man and Dark Knight movies, you could tell that he's looking forward to it. Didn't really get that for this reaction, but that's just me.
@@adamh6281 its obvious that he doesn't like it from before they started the film. You can see it at 1:13
or the movie was bad for her. you make it seem as if she does not have her own mind. since they are couple it likely have near close the same taste in movies it will not be perfect but they will be close. there was better x-men movies alot better.
@@donaldcurry1020 That's not what I meant. Sorry if it came across that way.
It still blows my mind that he doesn't like this movie, I remember how I felt when they did the friend review. After Logan this is clearly the best X-Men movie. It saved the Franchise (not box office wise but interest-wise)! The writing and acting is excellent, the groovy retro feel is fun and classy. A few bumps in the road (all moves have them) and some production issues but still love this movie!
I mean, he thinks Spider-Man 3 is a good movie, so...
I agree. X-Men First Class is one of my favourite movies.
Everyone has their own opinion yall, shouldn’t really bash them for it yknow
@@danielcastro9236 forget spiderman 3 because memes saved it but Amazing spiderman 2 he called his favorite
First Class is probably my favorite X-Men movie, even including Logan. For me it’s either this one or DOFP (yes, even trumping X2). The early Xavier/Magneto stuff is just the best.
This is my favorite of all the X-Men movies. Y'all said it felt a little weird how Magneto basically kind of adopted the same beliefs as the people that killed his family. I look at it as he realized that he once again as a mutant, was a person who's people would be persecuted and killed just because of who they were and how they were born. And he wasn't going to go through that again. He felt like no matter what, people won't change so he would do whatever it took to protect himself and his people.
Magnetos all about revenge
Exactly ,thats why it is so amazing ,it's the irony of becoming exactly what you try to destroy..........
They should have showed that mutants were persecutated more in the movie. Casuals do not necesseraly get that like some of us who are comics fans.
Magneto's theme here SHOULD DEFINETLY be incorporated to his MCU version.
1000% percent agree! He's the reason I love this movie! And I have the theme song on my phone's music playlist!
The reason I didn't like "days of future past", was because this theme wasn't in it, lol.
If we get Fassbender I’m on board
@@phil8821 Also DOFP took away the comic accurate costumes and whatnot. Even Magneto's helmet is less red in DOFP than it was here. Bryan Singer's hatred of comics unfortunately tainted even DOFP.
@@northwindkey we have to picture the comics in reality. Too much color sometimes doesn't cut it
Jen is expecting Mystique to be in the same head-space as the one from 50 years in the future, but fails to acknowledge that her confidence and self-esteem in those movies are through the roof. Going from First Class where she maintains human form mostly and only her og form when with Charles. To the first trilogy where she doesn't care what people think and is proud of who she is or what she looks like. So much to the point that she walks around naked. "Mutant and Proud"
Yes she tried to sleep with Wolverine as Jean and Storm, but other than that she only changes her look to remain undercover, rather than being ashamed.
Agree, Jen was too hard on Mystique here, she is much younger andit does sow the seeds of who she becomes.
The film is still greatly flawed and doesn't do good service to most of the other charaters.
Agreed, but I can't agree with Jen's remakes about Mystic, I mean in this movie she is young, she is new to this and accepting her mutation and I don't think Jen has taken that into consideration as at this point we've only experienced Mystic as a grown woman who has been with Magneto for years which obviously her strength and personality would have evolved from how she started as a teenager.
I actually liked this movie more than the trilogy. I don't agree with a lot of their critiques, because it's supposed to be an origin story where these characters discover and learn to control their powers. It's a bit unfair to compare how they're portrayed in this movie compared to them in their prime in the trilogy. I also never really cared that much about their costumes or appearance, I thought they looked perfectly fine.
I'm curious about their thoughts on the next one, because that's still my favourite x-men movie (not counting Logan).
I completely agree with you. This should not be compared to the original trilogy when it comes to character portayal. Especially after Holden described it as a reboot and not an actually predecessor to the original trilogy.
I actually really like this movie. My 2nd favorite of all the team up x-men movies after X2
I agree too. This movie got me into X-men because I wasn’t a fan of the trilogy. Although I do agree they had some bad lines when they were coming up with the nicknames, Beast’s costume looks laughable and Darwin dying but that’s it. It’s a solid 8 for me. I think Holden isn’t explaining that this is their younger selves and instead is talking about timelines. I feel like talking about the timelines are confusing.
Totally agree. I was not a fan of the original trilogy at all. X2 was ok. But he's talking about their portrayal in the trilogy, which sucked. Rogue, cyclops, storm was were portrayed terribly in the trilogy.
You sitting there all miserable, picking apart every bit of the film is obviously going to affect Jen’s perception on the film.
Sure wished he did that with the previous movies as well. Which are full of holes, bad screenwriting/direction/editing and wasted boring characters.
unfortunately Holden is a prime example of someone who enjoys ridiculing movies he obviously dislikes while claiming to act in good faith.
Both Magneto's chess piece and Professor X's reincarnation cliffhangers are followed up on The Wolverine's post-credits scene though, it's literally the reason why they're active in DOFP.
Also, Wolverine is the only character to reprise his role in this movie, which makes sense since this is a prequel and Logan ages slowly.
The X-Men franchise has several plot holes but you're just manufactoring them where they don't exist.
I was about to wrote this
Yeah I hope he sees this because he’s said that X3’s ending isn’t explained twice now and it very clearly is at the end of the Wolverine lol I hope they watch that before DoFP but I doubt it
Wrote this on a previous video too, He does a lot of the time act like there are issue that aren’t really issues and he just didn’t pay much attention to it
Exactly, well said my friend. They should had just watched them in plot chronological order. I said this from the start I feel like a lot of hate for this movie also came from nostalgia bias because they were not the same actors as the "future" trilogy
No, it’s definitely a plot hole. They wrote those into X3 with no idea what they were going to do with it or even if they would do something with it. It’s just a ending stinger.
They brought them back later because they needed to and could. Still was never explained how it worked and they never bothered because nobody cares as long as they were back, and the continuity was already a mess.
I dont think you're wrong about your criticism of the stereotypical bad guy henchmen, but the original trilogy had some of the worst instances of this too. Sabretooth and Toad were terrible. Pyro was the best developed and he was just an angst filled teen.
And what did X2 have? The supposed best in the series? Lady Deathstrike who also was a boring mute nothing character and... And that's it.
EDIt: oh and Stryker's son, who's also a mute and sucks.
I liked Pyro. He deserved a little backstory .
@@whodatninja439 William Stryker was also boring
@@marlonclark1896 yeah
the trilogy is so overrated. pretty much all the heroes sucked too. Wolverine is the main character in all of them.
@@whodatninja439 Lady DeathStrike was just a mindless puppet under Stryker's control
"They're just following orders." Is one of the worst things you can say to a Holocaust survivor.
"Never Again."
My guy went into this movie hating it and wanted Jen to hate it too. Bruh...
How do you like the cheesiness of the Raimi trilogy and then not like this for the same reason?
He need to see this comment
I 100% agree with you
Yeah. I don’t get why he hates TASM and DC for trying too hard to be dark and gritty but ignored it in the first X trilogy which had the same “look how realistic we are!” problem. This film actually embraced the energy and creativity of the comics. This is the X-Men film fans clamored to have for years.
He doesnt like it when Xmen gets silly or comic book-y. No wonder he loves the X1 and X2, by boring scumbag Bryan Singer who hates comic books.
He's not gonna like MCU Xmen.
Nostalgia
When holden loves a movie he talks and makes jokes way less then when he doesn't.
When he doesn't like it's jokes after giggles after jokes, and for sure influence anyone on a first watch.
exactly thank you, he made her watch the whole thing looking for something to hate because he kept not taking it serious like other movies
yes i agree
he keeps acting like he would do a killer job working for cinemasins
Or maybe you're all wrong and they have alligning opinions XD
At the point when this was made, it's the best X-Men movie, tonally. It has its problems, but what it does well, it shows the characters as a team, and every member has a role to play, while wearing and embracing their classic yellow and blue uniforms.
One of things about this film is that it has a MUCH lower budget, because the franchise took such a hit after Last Stand and Origins, that Fox worried about it's success. So Matthew Vaughn had to get this on time, and for the most part, it worked. Most of the budget gets fixed in the next movies... But also get worse, because they tried to compete with the MCU's scale.
This was Jennifer Lawrence's second big movie, because her first was Winters Bone, which won her an Oscar, and launched her career, then Hunger Games happened, and you'll see why Fox made Mystique so prominent than she ever was the past movies. But at the same time, you can see Jennifer lose SO MUCH interest as time goes.
Characters who are cooler or mean more in other stuff:
Azazel: He's a higher demon who sleeps with Mystique and becomes Nightcrawler's father (He's from Chuck Austen's run, which was... Pretty yikes, and they will never mention Mystique being related to Kurt in these)
Angel Salvatore: She's from the Grant Morrison New X-Men, she looks not good as Zoe Kravitz, and had a small arc in that story.
Darwin: He's freakin' awesome, and has the best power set, and they just killed him, which I always get angry about, since they killed an immortal black man.
Emma Frost: The White Queen of the Hellfire Club at first (They wore fancy 17th century attire for the men, and lingerie and cloaks for the women, and they owned those looks) Emma later becomes an X-Men, and becomes one of the leaders of the team (with a very intense love affair with Cyclops, which was kinda problematic), which sucks here because she's kinda nothing here... And January Jones isn't giving us much.
Banshee: He's pretty cool, and even has daughter, Syrin, who joins the team.
Havok: Alex Summers is Scott's younger brother (older brother here, but whatever) and has interesting stories, but after this, he's hardly there.
"Weather Man", is Riptide, he's such a minor character in the comics and here, that you'd forget that he didn't have any lines this, and why do mention all of this, because they're all disposed of in this, or in between movies, like they don't even care, oops Spoilers, but not really.
Sorry for long X-Men rants, X-Men has always been main comic bread and butter.
Excellent comments - although not stuff we could expect Jen to know (or, apparently, Holden either).
Really disappointed in this vid. Jen seemed pretty engaged, but Holden’s dislike came through from the very beginning - then he got carried away with the jokes and comments.
Jen maintains her own independent viewpoint and says she’s not influenced by others.
I think that’s true, but under these circumstances I think there’s gonna be some influence when it’s that blatant.
Holden: this is “My Girlfriend Watches”. Not “I Comment While My Girlfriend Watches”.
Let her watch and comment and ask questions!
It’s why I watch these vids.
@@glitterspray I agree, his dislike for this movie was evident from the beginning and it showed in the reaction. If the person sitting next to you reacts badly its going to affect you.
Hey, I’ve been a viewer of your channel for years and for a second I thought your channel died but I’m glad you’re still around
@@ThePopCultureCabinet1740 Thanks man, wish I could make videos regularly, but at least I can comment.
@@GenerationWest how come
"Weather Man" was Riptide. Alex Summers/Havok is Cyclops's brother, who is older than him in this but in the comics Cyclops is older. Azazel, the red teleporter, is Nightcrawler's father, so that means he has to hookup with Mystique at some point since she's his mother.
Couldn't have said it better. 👍
i think they did a much better job at portraying Eric's powers in these movies. the effects of him controlling the knife in that bar scene looks really cool.
I feel like you both didn't understand this film, took note of the conversations, or even where characters are at in the film.
Saying Mystique wasn't a 'strong' individual of the movie, and using that as a critism completely misses the point and ignores the goal of the film from her standpoint as a character. Just listen to what Eric says to her when she's benching, it's all there directly or in the subtext.
Agree completely.
Agreed 100%
Spot on. It's a very good movie.
@The Cracked Lenses agreed. I feel Holden has reached a point where he just scans a movie for moments/scenes where he can shoe-horn in a meme or a cheap joke so that his editor (or he himself) can zoom in on his face for extra effect.
This movie got me into Magneto. The "they're just following orders" line is so good because maybe at that moment there was an ounce of Erik listening to Charles but that line was the final straw. Seeing the Americans and Soviets joining up last minute to kill them, Magneto needed no other evidence in his mind that another Holocaust would occur without him stopping it
and if the future that almost unfolded in Days of Future Past was anything to go by, he was right, and always has been. Not in like a moral or ethical sense, but that he is literally correct, and you can see just how Fassbender embodies that and uses it to drive his performance.
"Men just following orders" chilling line
IKR?
Charles was clueless about how that sounded.
The moment he said it I knew it was all over.
The diametric opposite of a “safe word”.
As I'm sure a few people have mentioned, this is one of the better X-Men movies ( and personally one of my favorites ). It does have its issues but its generally quite solid. Just wanted to mention a few things though.
The reason that mystique and beast feel so different is cause they are, both emotionally and physically. The idea is that both are uncomfortable with their bodies, that they're different, and is something that is re-iterated numerous times (magneto and previous movies), means they're not going to be as grounded and comfortable with their bodies. They're growing up.
Same for the "party scene" as Holden mentioned. Right after that, once they actually see how real and dangerous things are, they stop acting like completely idiots and try their best.
Anyways, sad to hear you both thought it was a 5.5 but it is what it is.
Sometimes I forget not everyone is up to speed on X-Men knowledge.
A lot of that is Marvel's fault, honestly. They crapped hard on the X-Men because of Fox owning the film rights. They stripped them from most of our modern media, so most forgot about them or just didn't grow up with them.
@@bryanlozano1996 I never understood the idea behind that. Did they not realize that the X-Men movies inspired millions of people to read the comics? Not to mention Marvel was at the verge of bankruptcy before the success of the first movie.
But then again, I stopped reading the comics after the Avengers vs X-Men storyline. I feel like the modern comics only serve to promote the MCU. And the comics just don't feel the same now that Marvel is a big conglomerate rather than a humble publisher in New York.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Same. It was pretty clear that Marvel was trying to make the X-Men the menaces of their established world. Stopped reading after AvX.
I think they thought that because of their success with Iron Man, they could really blow up the popularity of the Avengers without having to deal with their more popular franchise (X-Men). They completely did it out of spite and, regardless, found huge success. The Avengers are so damn popular now, and the X-Men are dwindling in popularity outside the comics. Now if they plan on using them in the MCU, they're going to have to undo what they did.
@@bryanlozano1996 So it turns out that Marvel only shot itself in the foot. They bastardized the X-Men comics. In fact, I have never seen Cyclops so out of character as he was in AvX. Then they divorced Black Panther and Storm for practically no reason (though their marriage came out of nowhere in the first place). What's worse is that after AvX, they completely sidelined Hope Summers, whom we have watched grow and develop for 6 years. Heck, Wolverine even tried to kill her without a second thought, which is very weird considering for the past 40 years he has always been very fatherly and protective towards young girls. Even the movies got that aspect right by showing his relationship with Rogue and Laura.
But how ironic is that Marvel wanted to deprive Fox of source materials and now they have to do some serious damage control in order to keep the fans on their side. Oh, and they have to do the same with Fantastic Four, whom Marvel treated even worse than the X-Men.
@@vetarlittorf1807 And THAT is exactly why Marvel is reviving the 90s X-Men show with a soft continuation. Obviously the 90s X-Men were the most popular depiction(s) of the team, and Marvel in general. Whether or not they do it justice is too early to tell. But if they end up benching Cyclops and Storm for Wolverine again, I'm done with everything Marvel.
32:10 It's almost like these character lives to be over 80 years old and develops in that time frame
Someones gets it
No joke this is probably my favorite x men movie. It just has this certain style that I feel like no other super hero movie has
Mathew Vaughn!!! He has a great unique style. You can also see it shine in the first Kingsmen movie and Kick - Ass, with Kick-Ass being my favorite piece of work from him!
Holden starts of by telling Jen the plot is a mess and gets worse.
So much for not influencing! 🤣
Azezel and Mystique are Nightcrawlers parents in the comics, they hint at it too in X-Men Apocalypse, I think
1st Class was a really good "reboot" but man, Days Of Future Past is friggin' awesome!
Days of Future Past is my favorite X-men movie
@@biguy617 Me aswell along with Logan
Holden: I wonder how Russians feel for always being the bad guys in movies.
Me, a German: 😬
Hollywood being political and stupid for no reason is not new
17:40 it's not because he has more of a role in the comics, it's because his power means he is literally unable to die, and yet they killed him off.
This film is easily one of my favorites alongside DOFP, the performances alone were phenomenal. 😡 Holden, you should keep your own thoughts of the film, any of them besides facts, until after Jen or Matt give their thoughts. Any initial thoughts can sway any expectation. Anyways, look forward to DOFP.
Agree. I was surprised because typically Holden doesn’t do that, although he does make silly comments that too often distract.
Which can get annoying itself, when you’re looking forward to a serious viewing and viewpoints from obviously intelligent people.
@@glitterspray yeah exactly! he usually doesnt do that but i can tell he just had to bring it up for this particular film. And yes the silly comments are usually funny but not for serious moments, that bothers me too lol
"Let's just say I'm Frankenstein's monster and I'm looking for my creator "🤯💯💯🔥 and I've been mercy of the men who just following orders... best line by magnito most underrated film of the series 🤯🤯💯
Actually hated this line. Spoke it in English when they were just speaking German. Thought it was a little off.
Magneto was a beast in this trilogy, i loved him
@@FatThor55 his soundtrack in this film is too damm good 🔥🔥🔥
When Magneto and Xavier come to MCU, they can never recast these actors. Fassbender and Mcavoy were born to play them.
I don’t think Magneto instantly changed his ideology at the end. He was gonna kill Shaw either way for revenge but during earlier conversations with Charles he was already against humans and knew they would fear mutants no matter if their powers were used for good or bad, and he was actually correct.
I think this is one of the best X-men films in my opinion. It has that nice golden age comic book feel. I loved seeing Banshee and Havok on screen. Kevin Bacon’s over the top villain was fantastic. Fassbender and McAvoy were genius casting. And, the time period is fabulous. All in all this should have been a reboot of the saga instead of a prequel. Easily one of the top three X-men films.
same, Havok is my favorite superhero of all time and Banshee is in my top 5 X-Men, I got furious when he sarcastically said "Man, I wish I got to see more Havok"
Havok is Scott’s older brother. Their father is named Christopher Summers, also known as Corsair the captain of the Space Pirates called Star Jammers
This is inarguably among the best X-Men movies, and my personal #1. I genuinely just don’t understand most of Holden’s criticisms and I hate that his negative energy fed into Jen’s experience.
Ultimately, the impression I get from Holden’s criticisms is that he just has a lot of nostalgia for the original trilogy and hates that this movie doesn’t bend its knees to accommodate all of the frankly shallow backstory that is set up in those older films. First Class does its own thing and is all the stronger for it, and it’s by far the best directed movie with Matthew Vaughn giving it some proper style and giving each character moments to shine.
I think Holden needs to not present these movies to new viewers by going over all of the inconsistencies from one movie to the next. Just let people enjoy the ride, and appreciate the movies on their own for what each one offers. I watched the whole series for the first time as a teenager leading into the release of Days of Future Past, so I have no nostalgia for any of these from being a kid and I did notice the inconsistencies, but they didn’t bother me all too much. When I showed them all to my girlfriend years later, she also simply didn’t overly care about the inconsistencies because, again, First Class is just a damn good film.
It’s never productive to take someone into a movie by setting them up to dislike it. Even for the X-Men movies I don’t enjoy, like The Last Stand or Origins: Wolverine, I intentionally didn’t point out any issues I had or make fun of the movies before or during the viewing with my girlfriend. I waited until we finished so that she could really form her own opinion without bias, and I usually feel like Holden does this but you really projected your bias here.
Could not agree more.
Hope Holden is paying attention. If nothing else, it made for a boring and frustrating episode.
"Ive been at the mercy of men just following orders ...... never again" ....... such s powerful line
All the characters were so much younger and acted that way, so it made sense to me.
I can handle the few janky effects that occurred.
I love this film.
I actually quite enjoy X-Men: First Class a lot, and I think it's much better than X-Men: The Last Stand, but hearing all of your criticisms, I'm surprised how much I actually agree with a lot of them. I just don't think the not-so great elements outweigh the great stuff like the evolution and relationship between Eric and Charles in particular. I totally would have watched a Magneto: Nazi Hunter movie. That could've been so cool, plus you could delve into the very real Operation Paperclip and all of the space rocket and brainwashing experiments former Nazi scientists were involved in with the CIA after WW2 (yeah, that happened, just like Nazis hiding out in South America in this movie happened). Emma Frost was definitely the biggest disappointment. Her being a bit risqué in her wardrobe is absolutely part of the character, so I don't have an issue with that, but like how these movies have treated Cyclops, she's a much more dominant, charismatic and psychologically interesting character in the comics, and this movie does not do her justice in any way past her visual presentation. I also really like how they ground it in a historical setting (and their yellow and blue uniforms). I think this movies flaws are more apparent over time, but I do think it is still really good. Days of Future Past is my favorite X-Men movie, though, so I look forward to you guys getting to that. Although you can get away with not watching The Wolverine first to understand DOFP, you guys totally should watch it beforehand anyway (assuming it hasn't been done on this channel already). It's a good followup to The Last Stand that feels like an interesting exploration of Logan's status quo after Jean's death, and it's end credits scene perfectly sets up DOFP. It has a revelation relevant to the ending of The Last Stand that's kind of important to know before DOFP, otherwise, anyone who hasn't seen it is gonna have so many questions about why certain charavters are even in that movie at all.
This is easily the best X-Men movie I don't understand how people just don't love this movie without it we wouldn't have gotten more X-Men movies
Eh I feel like days of future past did nearly everything better but that’s just my opinion.
Killing the unkillable mutant kinda ruins it for me. If he was too OP to live, don't put him in it
Yeah, it sucked but it didn't ruin the movie. It wasn't about Darwin anyway, he was a side character. Fassbender and McAvoy are the heart of this series and without them the movies would have failed.
@@lirpa2300 yeah the rest of the movie was great it just puts a sour taste in my mouth
@@dailyraptor7700 I wish Mathew also directed Days of Future Past. It's such a well written movie but lacked any of the style this one had.
I love this movie, and I'm surprised neither of them liked it, but not surprising since Holden was crapping on it all movie, definitely influencing Jen's opinion.
You both are definitely in the minority with your opinions on this, but not everyone likes everything. 5.5? This film is an 8 easily.
the lawn is actually super long and umkempt, Charles just uses his mind power to fool everyone. The house is actually 1 bedroom 1 bath bungalow as well but again ~mind powers~ lol
Sweet! This was actually a pretty solid soft reboot, among the good ones.
First class and days of future past are so good, I'd say they're better than the original trilogy, sad it went downhill hard after those 2.
@@user-ly2ll5od1r agreed
Its not a reboot cause days of future past resets the timeline before this so technically its just a continuation in a differenr timeline, so like a soft reboot
Agree 💯 percent
@@extestential6638 oh so like exactly what he said , nice
What you were saying about Jennifer Lawrence’s portrayal was probably intentional for this movie because Mystique hadn’t yet developed that strength of having a solid self identity. She really develops the character in subsequent films.
Exactly. Jen's mistake was that while she realized this was a origin story but she did not apply that to Mystique.
The cliffhanger from X3 kind of gets resolved though. Magneto has his powers again, and Charles is alive in his twins body in the post credits scene of the Wolverine, that sets up the next movie
Darwin “my body can evolve to survive anything”
Can’t believe they forgot the one thing his power can do
They didn’t forget, they just ignored it 🙃
bro that ruined the movie for me. It literally makes zero sense for him to die.
What if that energy changes forms faster than he can adapt? That’s what I always saw it as, the energy was rapidly changing and his mutation couldn’t keep up.
@@northwindkey that's not how Shaws powers work in the movie in any other scene. And that's fine if that's what they want to say but that's not how his powers are described. And also, Darwins powers are to adapt...doesn't matter how much the energy changes he should be able to adapt to it. And the way his powers work even if he can't adapt directly to the power his body would simply develop a way to either shield him from the energy or eject it from his body.
For example there was a time in the comics where he was fighting the Hulk at first his body tried to absorb the gamma radiation from the Hulk but then when Hulk started beating his ass his body determined the best way to protect him from the Hulk was to simply teleport him away from where the Hulk was.
@@northwindkey i mean in one comic page it shows his body adapting to try and fight the hulk. So his body evolved to be able to absorb the gamma energy from the hulk. The problem was that there was to much energy to drain so there wasn’t time and so Hulk punched him and nightcrawler goes “His body has reached the same conclusion. The best defense against the Hulk is to be somewhere else”
So his power does give him the ability to evolve into someone that can absorb energy
I can't believe they killed off the one character who's power was literally to "not die".
I mean, he's clearly not as powerful as he was in the comics.
- The Cosmonaut Variety Hour, 2021
I remember a video where Shaw says, "Adapt to this," and someone responded, "Is there a reason he couldn't?"
I really cannot believe Jen didn't like this movie. It's my absolute favorite.
Are you an X-Men comics reader?
@@derrickmarais I was a huge X-Men fan and reader around the the time of the 80s cartoon with Jubilee etc. I collected the comics religiously for a decade or more.
And First Class is the best ensemble X-Men movie by a country mile. (Logan of course is a savage movie. )
Holden was feeding her negative energy the entire time. She was never going to like it, sadly.
Not trying to say she has no agency or own opinions but sitting next to holden watching it will sour the experience of course. I'd wager her opinion would be different if watching it alone.
Well Holden swayed her saying it sucks before hand and then kept making annoying remarks lol. He doesnt know anything about X-men based on this reaction
I don't know how Holden feels about this yet but this is 1 of the best X-men movies. Right behind 2.
I will never get over the fact they killed Darwin like that, his whole thing is that he can survive anything.
THANK YOU
Anything? What if he was thrown into the sun?
@@vetarlittorf1807 He would adapt to survive in the middle of a star then lol
@@PhillyBlerd215 What form of life could possibly survive the sun?
At the very least he would teleport away if it became too much for him
First class imo is easily the most rewatchable of the prequel quadrilogy
Personally, after Days of Future Past, this one is my favorite of all the X Men movies.
I'm sad you didn't enjoy it as much but to each their own.
10:30
*“This is the Weather-Man.”* 🌪
*Jen: Is that his real name?!*
🤣😭😂
It hurts my heart that they hated this one😢 This one was way better than the trilogy
I personally think X2 is better than First Class but agree that it’s a shame that Holden in particular clearly really doesn’t like it 😂
30:00 oh my, it's almost like mystique is 30-40 years younger than when you see her in the original trilogy
This is a shame that both Holden and Jen didnt like this great movie. This movie worked really well and was a great surprise following the awful X3. I didn't find any of it laughable and I found Hank so much a better all round character than Kelsey Grammars weaker version of Beast (even if he just looks better). I do agree with the Jennifer Lawrence version though. The rest if the mutants are fantastic and work really well with this Cuban missile crisis story line.
This is arguably better than X1 and obviously X3. You also seem to forget that kids will be kids! Thank goodness for this movie that saved the X-men!
Also Days of Future Past is not a soft reboot at all, its a classic X-men story. They are different timelines.
This movie was a pleasant surprise for me. I really liked the original trilogy and I thought this movie was gonna suck. But turns out I enjoyed it. It even make the X-Men look more "serious" (I dont know what the best word for it). Cant wait for the Days of Future past. The best X-men movie ever
I thought so too, and Xmen Phoenix had so many bad reviews before I got to watch it, and it was a very good ending FOX considering Disney now has their cheesy little Mouse hands all over it. They will dumb it down to fit the M-SHE-U after Endgame, and of course, everything will be professor X's fault, and the X-men will be stupid and incompetent and the X-Women will rule the day, just like Black Widow, just like Chang-Shi, just like Kennedy's whole Star Wars debacle trilogy. Male chauvinism is never good, and X-men first class did a good job of showing it that way from the time period of the 1960s, but female chauvinism in the M-SHE-U, Stars Wars, CBS' failed Star Wrecks, and now rebooting the DCEU in Flashpoint to have a Superwoman and Batwoman be the trinity with WB/DC while erasing the SnyderVerse is just too much!
I've got my collections of my favorite comics and sci-fi in print and film now digitized without the 21st century Woke Jokes, and I'm just fine with watching the classics, not adding any of this modern garbage to my library!
@@GeorgeBratcherIII Dark Phoenix was not good and the rest of your comment is a bunch of nonsense
@@alh06 So Han Solo and Luke Skywalker were not reduced from the heroes they were in the original trilogies and reduced to bumbling incompetent fools, while the women were shown to be the real power behind the rebellion? So the side praising the female trinity of superwoman, wonder woman, and batwoman have all their information and sources wrong and those cursing it are wrong also? So Picard is not ridiculed like a child by women Admirals and Patrick Stewart is wrong claiming his Star Trek is in a different universe from the TNG and Discovery is not so woke for putting R rated language into Star Trek as with Picard alienating most of the original fan base and the female Captain of the Discovery has not been retconned to be responsible for anything that ever was in Trek? So Black widow wasn't woke and Shang Chi, the Eternals, and yet their box office yields were far less than Spiderman No Way home? Exactly where is the nonsense? I guarantee is not with me!
@@GeorgeBratcherIII I agreee about Star Wars but your points aren't relevant to the discussion, it's a random rant.
@@alh06 you are right, dark phoenix sucks balls. But then again George is right too.
“Well, do you want me to tell you or do you wanna find out?”
“…I wanna find out 😒”
This is literally the best xmen film and it was called "crap" smh
i’m sorry but this movie is a million times better than the original x men trilogy. it actually gives every character down development and made us like them and actually embraced the inherent comic book silliness of the x men rather than the og trilogy which decided to ignore them and be like “oh look at us we’re so cool and ‘self-aware’ and the comics are so goofy and we’re so serious and cool”
I could not agree more 👍
Best X-men movie imo. This definitely saved X-men after the third movie of the original trilogy. And finally, a movie that is not all about Wolverine. Thank Jesus!
yeah!!!!
"It looks like blue Hermione." Damn it Holden! Now I won't be able to see Hermione without imagining her as a blue beast.😂🤣
I remembered now what you guys said in last video “you don’t see the respect Xavier and Magneto have for each other as enemies anymore”....
YEA ITS CALLED GOOD WRITING
(character development, etc. something you don’t find in today’s movies)
Weird. Holden doesn't like this huh? Always thought it was more than on par with the first 2 X Men. And a good direction at least.
It is
Sucks they edited out the best scene of the whole movie where Charles helps Erik remember celebrating Hanukkah with his mother. Very powerful scene and amazing acting.
i desperately want an extended cut
Honestly Holden, at this point, you should probably just rewatch Origins wolverine and Logan with Jen on your guys own time, like not even in a video. thatll refresh her memory and smooth out any further explaining.
Origins is bad but Logan is a modern classic. Should deffo do that one.
The Wolverine isn't bad. It picks up after X3 and hints at what's to come. Not sure why he isn't watching it
This movie is definitely one of the best X-men movie out there.
Having rewatched all these films recently, I honestly don’t know what Holden is referring to about things in Days of Future Past being different from this one. As far as I can remember, although the timeline isn’t completely consistent with the original trilogy, nothing really changed that much until around Apocalypse.
Also, PLEASE at least have Jen rewatch the post credits for The Wolverine before DOFP, at least as a refresher.
Exactly I'm not sure why he isn't wanting to watch it. It's a good movie and hints at the next one.
Holden often comes off as someone who wants to sound unique in his reviews/takes but in the end just keeps repeating generic talking points or popular memes when it comes to criticisms or analysis.
Shoutout to whoever was in charge of perfectly casting Xavier and magneto TWICE
I Hope MCU bring over Fassbender and Macavoy back when they bring in XMEN into the universe as they deserve a second chance as they were the best in this!
Of mediocre story and inconsistent shite
@@ryansmith-jr4gn You cant blame 2 great actors for bad movies.
I like how Devil Nightcrawler's fighting strategy was just "I pick things up and put them down"
2:06
The first time Holden doesn't say *'we'll see'*
I loved this movie, especially Magneto and Professor. I remember thinking I wouldn't be okay with new actors coming along but I loved them more than the original ones
Well, Holden has already tainted Days of Future's Past.
Boston DILIGENTLY waiting for some popcorn is too funny
Magneto's theme from this movie may be the best supervillain theme ever. It is insanely powerful and nothing else in X-Men and dare I say the MCU comes close.
EDIT: Holy crap, I forgot to even mention Rage and Serenity! The song so good it was used in two different movies! Henry Jackman really outdid himself for this movie.
oh yeah!!!!!!
I personally really liked that they acted more like young adults/teenagers since people tend to forget that when the X-Men first Created Ice Man, Jean, Scott, Hank, and Angel were all teenagers/young adults.
this is my favorite x-men movie. crazy that you like the last stand more than this.
Holden's disdain for this film is so evident all the way through this movie. And I absolutely think it influenced Jen's take on the film (which is fine). I really enjoy this movie, and think it's one of the better Xmen films.
yeah he really came off as a "guide" to help her understand how to hate this movie
This is personally my 2nd fave X-Men film, my fave is by far Days of Future Past. Sad that it went downhill from there.
Edit: Logan & Deadpool are up there too if we counting them
Dark Phoenix probably would have been better if it had been a two-parter like it was originally supposed to be.
@@vetarlittorf1807 agreed 100%
To be honest I don’t count the Wolverine and Deadpool movies as X-Men movies unless they focus the entire team in the film. That would be like saying Doctor Strange and Ant-Man are Avengers movies, which they aren’t.
@@theomnigamer9177 No. But the franchise is called X-Men. Just like Dr. Strange is an MCU movie.
Vetarlit Torf I see your point, but a title is what counts. If it’s “Bob’s trip to S-Mart”, it’s “Bob’s trip to S-Mart”.
When I look at your point, I think of the people who think Bravely Default is a Final Fantasy game. Sure it has the job system, and the naming convention, but it is not a Final Fantasy game.
Havock is Scott’s (cyclops) brother…. Corsair is their father. Cable is Scott and Jean’s son.
Sigh. This is probably the best one of the lot (either this, or Days of Future Past). Sure, there was a bunch of cheesiness, and some silly visuals, but that's the whole point, it's a comic book adaptation, and it seems to make you feel like it's a movie about the 60's, in the 60''s. Also, the duo of McAvoy and Fassbender deserved Oscars for their performances. They were just that good.
It makes perfect sense to have it more campy than the other movies. This movie takes inspiration from the Stan Lee era X-Men comics, which were in fact very cheesy. X-Men didn't start becoming dark and gritty until the 80's.
@@vetarlittorf1807 facts 🙌🏾
I would say Days Of is probably better. But this is good.
you mean crap and rushed story that crap all over eric and charles story the two both character in the movie, with some bad actors. just like other it has to have more then it like the comics it just did not have it.
Michael Fassbender is such an incredible actor for magneto. He carried most of the newer xmen films imo.
First Class is awesome. Definitely top 3 of the entire franchise
In Holdens world, there's like 30 movies that exist lol
The beginning of this film is a shot-for-shot remake of the beginning of X-Men, but it is not the same footage. However, I think it's a really interesting and compelling class in how tiny little differences in editing can have a huge impact on how hard a scene hits emotionally. In the original X-Men, some of the takes linger just a half second or so longer before cutting... and it makes a huge difference IMO. This version is not nearly as resonant with me. Though the rest of the film is wonderful I just feel like the first scene was shot and edited better the first time they did it.
Some of the footage is reused.
They mesh together new footage and old footage
it's a shorter version of the same scene, that's why the editing is different.
I think they’re both excellent. The first maybe a bit more so.
And I can’t stand watching either of them. Too grounded in reality. Really upsets me to see ☹️
The actor of Alex Summers is Lucas Till, A.K.A MacGyver
This is the Magneto and Xavier I hope to see soon in the MCU.
I know, right? I know they said they're done with the roles but I actually cannot imagine play other people play those characters anymore, other than McKellen and Stewart
i hope they make a surprise appearance in doctor strange in the multiverse of madness
A lot of people don’t like this movie but I think it has some of the best scenes in all of the X-Men movies. The scene with Eric in the bar in Argentina is my favorite but also the scene where Charles helps Eric unlock his happiest memory with his mom is beautiful and the nuke scene is great because there isn’t a clear villain in that moment. You don’t want the men on the ships to die because they are just soldiers following orders but you obviously don’t want the X-Men to die so it keeps you in the edge of your seat wondering where the nukes are going to go. Also the scene where Eric is ripping the ship apart with the anchor and the Logan appearance, which was unscripted! He wasn’t meant to say “go f**** yourself” to them so their reactions are real and they left it in. Can’t wait to see Days of Future Past, it’s my favorite one because it has both sets of actors and they blend it together very well with an incredibly interesting concept. Can’t wait to see it!
The X-Men franchise has always had timeline problems. But I also think your making it out to be way more complicated than it actually is. When Jen watches DOFP I don't think she's ever going to be like "huh, I don't understand this". Lol
This clearly has the best costumes in all the movies. The comic accurate yellow and black looks perfect. Whereas in the other movies they just wear black leather... How exciting. God forbid they wear something that looks like a comic book!
This really was the first piece of X-men content I saw. I’d seen a few episodes of the old cartoon, but didn’t really know who anybody was or what their deal was until I saw this. Because of this being my viewing order, I ABSOLUTELY LOVED it!! Sorry y’all couldn’t enjoy it as much too…
Exactly, they should had watched the series in plot chronological order. It's not that hard to understand that way. Not at all. They are the same timeline, it just happens that they change the past at one point. Not a big deal. Not anymore complicated then Back to the future 2
@@masterblaster2053 no, I think the timeline is incredibly fucked up. I just choose not to ignore some of the minor stuff. I think the issue is watching the MCU, a tightly knit, thought out film series, before the X-men films.
Alex Summers is originally small brother of Scott Summers in the comics. But here Alex is shown as Scott's elder brother
Plus Both Mystique and Azazel is known to be the parents of Nightcrawler and Rogue in the comics which we never got see in the movies.
I knew SOMEONE had to beat me to making this comment. Scott is the older brother to Alex. They are immune to each other's powers. Their father was in the Air Force, but captured by aliens. Christopher Summers ends up escaping and led a band of pirates called the Starjammers.
@@CaptainFrost32 ha ha. For once I had no clue about their dad. All I remember their parents died in a plane crash and unfortunately both Scott and Alex got separated from each other.
@@AMLAN815 The story that introduced Darwin also introduced the third Summers brother. The Shi'ar ship that set the Summers aircraft on fire teleported the parents aboard as the two boys were falling in a single parachute.
Mrs. Summers was pregnant and Christopher was forced to watch her be abused. The baby was taken from her by forcible cesarean section. She died in childbirth and the child was raised by the Shi'ar as a slave. He eventually escaped to Earth, and met Xavier.
Cyclops had just led the first class of X-Men to Krakoa. That was Iceman, Angel, Beast, Marvel Girl, Havok [Alex Summers] and Polaris. Xavier had gone to Moira's Mutant Research Center on Muir Island and met more mutants found by Moira. After meeting Gabriel Summers [aka Vulcan], Xavier read his mind and helped him assimilate to Terran speech and custom.
Scott was sent back to Xavier after the first group were captured by Krakoa, Gabriel, Darwin, and two other mutants were hastily trained to take on a rescue mission, and failed.
Cyclops was sent back again, and Xavier recruited the international cast of the Giant Sized X-Men. Cyclops, Storm, Nightcrawler, Banshee, Colossus, Thunderbird, and Sunfire. Again, they took on Krakoa to rescue the prior classes of mutants, except that Vulcan, Darwin, and his other two teammates were still on Krakoa until the island had been ejected into space.
Xavier had to alter the memories of everyone involved as it was soul wrenching for Cyclops to lose an unexpected younger brother, as well as the additional 3 mutants.
Years later, the truth came out as Darwin and Vulcan's powers enabled them to be in stasis until landfall. Vulcan later turned his attention on the Shi'ar Empire and he murdered the reigning Emperor, becoming an Emperor himself.
First Class is definitely better than the Original Trilogy imo
I loved this movie. It was fun watching Holden act like a little baby throughout the reaction. I can’t really take Jen’s reaction seriously when the person she’s watching it with acting like a brat the entire time.