FACTOR 55 Rope Retention Pulley Test.Pros.Cons.Review
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- Опубліковано 29 гру 2019
- Finally got our hands on a Factor 55 Rope Retention Pulley and Standard Duty Soft Shackle Combo.
We did a real world test of the system. Check out the Pro's...Con's.
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Check out the video Trevor was talking about from, Lock Your Hubs 4WDing
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Trail4R Article
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Link to Factor 55 Rope Retention Pulley and Standard Duty Soft Shackle Combo
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Link to Ironman 4x4 America 9500lb. Monster Winch...Amazing
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Your experiment assumes that the central question of this product is how does this retention pulley compare to not using any pulley or snatch block. Single line is faster. That is analogous to telling us that your truck is faster in high gear range than in low gear range. This product is designed to replace a snatch block, so perhaps a more useful comparison is comparing this rope retention pulley to a traditional snatch block. How much does this weigh compared to a snatch block? How fast is it compared to snatch block? How much heat increase is there on the ring before and after and how does this have compare to heat increase on a snatch block? Does it make sense to use this instead of a snatch block?
David Lohrentz those are all fantastic points. We will definitely make another video addressing as many of those questions as we possibly can. Thank you for the feedback.
There's almost no heat. There is plenty of friction loss, but it's not manifesting in heating up the rope
In theory, 2:1 will take 2x the time, but since the winch works less, you save some time.
Strain on the rope and current draw is the only way to test, with acknowledgement that the rates will constantly move as there are more windings on the drum. Winch line diameter and stretch will play a role too.
I've used it extensively. It does not generate excessive heat as long as you retain the proper recovery speed as mentioned earlier in the video. There is as much heat and friction on the winch spool during recovery as in the Factor55 pulley. Perhaps we're looking for an issue that's not here. What I will say is using this tool with Factor55 rated soft shackles and the proper recovery strap is FAR safer than any alternative. Closed-loop winching is worth the investment. They also, like all their other gear, have extensive rating and testing docs available to anyone.
We completely agree with you. A worthy snatch block.
Did you notice the factor 55 recovery ring wasn't even rotating. It has the smallest working diameter in the industry resulting in the winch line dragging through the recovery ring. Larger diameter aluminum recovery rings actually rotate and are much more efficient.
I actually reached out to Factor 55 on this matter and they said it was a matter of friction. There isn’t enough friction to make the ring spin. I completely trust in Factor 55 ability to build quality and doubt there will be any issues with the ring. I actually bought a cheap one off amazon and returned it. The aluminum just holding it in hand is 100 noticeably different and cheap compared to the Factor 55. I’m convinced.
Bear in mind you have twice the amount of line out so your retrieval will be less. For the fact that the more line on your spool the faster rate of retrieval will be. Nevertheless as much as I will actually use this product, I will take over a snatch block and it has a pretty good cool factor to it as well.
Yea for sure. It definitely has its place. Light weight and fail proof. Can’t go wrong. Other companies are coming out with similar and prices are dropping.
I have a couple giant 8" diameter rusty snatch blocks, that had to be 40 years old when I got them ... and I've been using them for 40 years for everything from self recovery, to loading scrap iron, to a barn rasing :) I can't imagne I paid more than $5 for the pair. I'm going to stick with them :)
Stick with what works!!!!
Technically the pulley did win because twice the rope and not twice the time so winch was going faster.
And pulley wasn’t turning because it was hardly under tension!
I’m gonna guess neither of these guys studied physics in college
Physics, never heard of her 😂😂😂
Good product demo! Only thought on one thing said, the bubba rope not being a good ss due to the rubber sleeve, cant you just cut it off? It would work fine then right? Nice product from a good company!
America First1 you can absolutely cut that rubber sleeve off. However if you use it in a snatch block, I always put that rubber piece into the snatch block as edge protection from the sharp edges of the block. But push come to shove they aren’t crazy expensive. Thank you for the feedback.
This 'experiment' seems to ignore that the winch being run out twice as far will have a different mechanical advantage due to the turns on the winch drum - as for the positioning of the Air damper - this needs to be placed nearer the tree - if the treesaver strap broke the winch line and metal hook would fly back to the vehicle with no arresting being applied! As for excessive heat generated by the Factor55 Block under load? with that snail's pace of winching- REALLY?
Rematch! with twice the rope out you were also likely an extra layer or two down in the winch cable which will also make it slower. If you were pulling a much larger load and the winch was working hard (slower line speed) then the line speed would have been faster when there was less load but as you say, twice the cable to pull in as well. I would expect the double line pull to be slower, probably not twice as slow. In the end this was your result.
Why wasn't the pulley rotating in the test? So much for the super teflon coating.
Thanks for the video.
neutronstorm you make a very good point. We were not thinking about the amount of line out of the winch. We could have used different length tree savers to have the same length out of the winch. We are going to do another video with a side by side comparison with a couple snatch blocks. And yea I don’t think the design will allow that ring to spin. We are gonna try a heavier pull to see if it needs more weight to spin. Thank you for the feedback.
@@AdventureBuilt Thanks for sharing your video and article of the new RRP. We would consider this test to have an insufficient load in order to get the RRP to rotate. Since it appears to be on a fairly level surface and the vehicle freely moving, this pull would not require a snatch block in a real-world scenario. You can see when under load the RRP does easily rotate like in this video.
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If possible, please conduct this test in an application that better simulates when a snatch block would be used, like a higher load scenario.
Great video quality/music and you have some wonderful pictures in your Trail4R article.
We will be releasing a full video of the RRP testing etc very soon. Thank you again!
Factor 55, you are right. After doing some more research, we have determined that our initial test was not valid, per your suggested guidelines.
We will be doing another test, like you suggested, with steeper angles and heavier loads.
The test we conducted was performed as an initial test, not fully understanding that the rope retention pulley requires a heavier load to function.
We will keep an eye out for your next video. We’d love for you to check back here for our follow up, as well.
Cheers.
Adventure Built absolutely. You guys do a great job. Thank you!
Hey Guys, thatnks for the check. Can you check the pulley and rope temperature with an infrared camera? Thet would show how much it really heats up and if it may become too much.
In additon, I think the rope is bended troo much putting much more stress on some outer fibers and that is never good, as a reduced number of fibtres need to take all the load.
We actually took temps of it on a different day and the temp goes up maybe 20 degrees under a heavy load. Not bad at all. Works just fine.
Dyneema has a rather low melting point (~140 degrees F). 20 degrees sounds kinda high to me. I've seen around 10 deg in my own applications, but it depends upon various factors (e.g., speed, load, continuous duration, etc.). Depending upon existing ambient temps (e.g., desert heat @110-120 deg), a 20 deg increase could compromise the integrity of the winch line and/or shackle (depending upon where the most friction is occurring). Just sayin'. So, "not bad at all" is relative.
“ Unless you have a time restraint while winching.” Good grief !! - I am always in a frantic hurry to get out when winching, to get back to my donuts and Starbucks. The factor 55 does not pinch at all. You guys present this like a soap opera. It totally spoils the review. Sorry.
No worries Mike. Always appreciate the honest feedback...less Days of Our Lives...copy that!
Sorry for the sarcastic Review. However, I do think you guys probably know your stuff quite well. Present your videos in that manner, what works, what does not, what is your experience with the various products, give us meaningful time tested feedback. Thanks again. 👍
Didn’t pinch due to hardly being under any load , flat hard ground no brake or any drag !
Strange as everything I'm seeing about the retention pulley says it should be turning. I wonder why yours didn't?
Honestly I have no idea. Talking to the Factor 55 guys they say it’s because the winch line has a coating. Either way it still works just not as well as it should.
Synthetic and a cable jacket?
Is this out by cowtown
Davonte Martin no it’s near the White Tanks.
This is a mickey mouse review. Plain and simple. Plus, as far as I can tell, you haven't made a follow up review on points that matter in a recovery, as pointed out by David Lohrentz.
Matt Byman you are so goofy. Trevor and I spent all day out in the desert last weekend testing the Factor 55 against other snatch blocks. Video will be out in the next few weeks. We definitely used some of David Lohrentz suggestions without getting too wrapped around the axle with statistics. Hopefully you enjoy the next video as much as you enjoyed this one. Please let me know if there is anything else you think we can do to improve our videos. Thanks.
@@AdventureBuilt assumption is the Mother of all F up's
Hello you two... Do yourselves, and your viewers a huge favor and remove the link to the video by "Lock Your Hubs 4WDing." IMHO that video does NOT provide enough data set to accurately examine all the parameters of what's going on with a standard split-leg pulley vs. a Factor 55 Rope Retention Pulley. HERE'S the video you want to link to so your viewers have ALL the necessary data for an informed purchasing decision: ua-cam.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/v-deo.html
Now a couple of notes... 1) Your "experiment" actually had nothing to do with the Factor 55 RR Pulley. You simply demonstrated some physics principles relative to winching. 2) Careful with emphatic "do not use" or "never" or "aways" statements. Yes, there are a few (very few) "nevers" in recovery (e.g. NEVER use a tow hitch ball as a frame-mounted recovery point for a kinetic energy recovery rope pull). However, in recovery - in real life - I always tell my students "What Works is What Counts." That Bubba Rope Gator Jaw CAN work with the RR Pulley - if you align the pulley properly on the soft shackle it would NOT be on the plastic label. 3) The Factor 55 RR Pulley works well for re-direct and adding mechanical advantage. Note: You don't get something for nothing in physics... So, a double line pull gives you 2:1 mechanical advantage (which is really great for most recoveries), but you need to pull double the amount of line for the same distance as a single line pull, and it will take twice as long. Lots more to cover here... but I'm willing to send you my book "The Total Approach to Getting Unstuck Off-Road - Self-Recovery & Vehicle-Assisted Recovery." Once you read the book, give it a review on your channel. Give me your address via email and a book will be sent. You can get my address at DiscoverOffRoading.com. Cheers guys.
Robert Wohlers thank you so much for the information. I will email you ASAP and definitely read your book. Also we did some more testing of snatch blocks. Video to come soon. Thank you so much and I look forward to reading your book.
Once again your adding a piece of equipment to a system that is not needed. Less is best.
I’ve never heard anyway during a recovery situation say, I have too many options to ge me unstuck! I have heard, damn I wish I had…XYZ!!!!
The whole point of a snatch block is to double the pulling power, which is not even mentioned. Would have been nice to have a heat gun to check the temp since that was actually their main concern, no I will not subscribe to your vids, such a disservice for the product and no I don’t own one, yet!
Actually that was said in the video and I really appreciate your objective view. To be as critical of you as you are of us a heat gun does not take temperature, it creates heat by taking electricity and through a process of heating coils then a fan blows the heat out of the gun tip to direct that heat to a designated area. I think what you are referring to is an IR Thermometer which actually reads the surface temperature of items. Now imagine how hard it is to not make mistakes in front of a camera while making videos trying to inform people of our personal experiences. I’m sorry you did not enjoy the video and I hope you have a great day.
This felt like listening to my mom telling me about computers. In both case, knowledge and experience is lacking. I'm sorry but you should deleted this video and try to "recover" some credibility.
Great analogy. Tell Mom we said hi.
I agree they will look back in a year and need a few more beers! Flat hard ground put no tension on a tension pulley!
But other than the failed experiment was some good tips wearing gloves and a real tree protector not a tow strap