How to Double Your Winch Pulling Power
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- How to Double your winches pulling power by using a snatch block.
What I use: Warn Zeon 10-S winch, Factor-55 flatlink, Rockfab offroad soft shackle, harbor freight 20k snatch block, vault cargo management tree saver. - Авто та транспорт
Exactly what I was looking for! Excellent tutorial. Thanks for sharing.
@Iam Lost Yes, that’s the one. Also, it’s “you’re” not your. Where did you get your GED? Go ahead, Google “What is GED.” LOL
Watching as a training wrecker driver. Good information how to make the most of a snatch block
Pull the tree down on the jeep😳. Just bought my warn EVO 10,000 . Have a mount for the truck and trailer can't wait to try it . Great video.
The cleanest jeep I ever seen.
Great explanation on how to use it. Thks for sharing 😊 👍
Do some research - 1 snatch block pulley, 1:1 mechanical advantage, set up as shown. 2 snatchblock pulleys , 2:1 MA with a 2nd SBP anchored to the stuck load. In your set up, which is necessary to pull the load forward, the pulley redirects the same load, it does not double the amount of force. The load remains the same. The mechanical advantage is in pulling the stuck truck forward. The same force is needed to pull it, a 1:1 ratio. This routing does not ‘double winch pulling power’, but does redirect as needed the load/stuck Jeep to the anchor point,
For a 2:1 mechanical advantage, that is “doubling winch pulling power’, set up as shown thru the 1st snatcblock anchored to tree as shown, but instead of anchoring to the tow hook; then run the winch line thru a 2nd snatchblock/shackle, that is shackled/connected to one of the trucks tow hooks; then back to the same anchor point, the tree, using a 3rd shackle attaches to the same or different tree saver strap. But, in your case, it isn’t necessary - a maybe 10,000# winch, winching maybe a 6,000# load? 1:1 MA will do it. OK, say you’re stuck in muck up to the roof, and it’s maybe 12,000#?
Yeah, to be safe, do the 2:1. Thanks showing off all the cool gear, really good ads for them.
Your 4x4 and gear is way cooler than mine! Nevertheless thanks for the YT entertainment and getting me to research for safety sake.
Thanks man! Great video showing us how to properly use this set-up.
If the pulley moves you are doubling the pulling power, not taking friction into it. If you are pulling a stuck vehicle with the pulley at the stuck vehicle you have 8000lbs on both cables coming from the pulley, the same is true if you are the stuck vehicle you have 8000lbs on both sides of the cable which means you have 16000lbls pulling you at half the speed.
FANTASIC Simple video.
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Half as slow is twice as fast, right?
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this is why I have a double pulley at the tree and one at the jeep,
This system can be confusing and this video is half true. 🤔 So in this example, the snatch block did not magically 2x the winch's power. It simply split the available power equally along the two lengths of cable running out the snatch block. The effect is like when you drop a vehicle into a lower gear and you trade off speed for torque. The total power remains the same. So, this example is very useful to "drop your winch into a lower gear" if you need to, but it ONLY works if you attach back the last point to the winch-mounted vehicle just like in this video. This is because the winch is pulling itself to the tree along one cable coming out the first side of the snatch block, while simultaneously enabling the snatch block to pull the jeep to the tree along the other cable coming out of the snatch block. If, instead, u attach that last connection to an anchor OTHER THAN the winch-mounted vehicle, you are no better than before when you didn't have a snatch block at all. You've only changed the direction of pull.
Great! I'm pulling a piece of oak off of hill. I'm on this method
I'm fairly certain this is simply reversing the direction of force, not multiplying it. If you were trying to pull the tree it would be a 2:1 increase, but you're still pulling the same load with this setup.
I think you are right. Without the single sheave moving with the load it doesn't gain a mechanical advantage. But it would still lose 5% friction for that sheave.
Wouldn't half a slow mean twice as fast?
It doesn't make the winch more powerful it splits the load equally to each side making the winch only have to work half as hard and only works when the line goes back to the jeep
Can someone plz explain how it doubles the power of the winch I get that it doubles the rope but how about the winch
I see in your video your using rope type cable I'm not sure it's as strong as steel cable, feel free to explain this back.
You can get synthetic Rope with the same working limit as cable.
Synthetic is safer if it snaps, lighter, easier to handle, easily repaired, and won’t have 1000 sharp burrs to snag your hands.
Long as ya got that pine tree with ya! 😳
Very nice video
How is this doubling the power
It’s not lol
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In theory your steel shackle should hold 20k lbs for a 10k winch. ie. my 1" crosby shackle is rated at 17k (wll) with a 6 to 1 safety rating. (7/8 shackles are rated 13.5k) call me crazy but id rather have a cable snap(with a dampener on) then a shackle or tree saver.
jaymanxxxx adding a snatch block doubles the load capacity of the line but your load rating is still the lowest rating of the lowest rated rigging.
adding a snatch block is not meant to increase the load but to decrease the force necessary to move the same load.
Should you use a safety apron on the line?
Not necessary with synthetic line.
It is necessary with a wire cable tho.
Great video 👍🏻
nice video man!
We can't winch over here without a damper on the winch line. Good video though thanks.
Wheres over here? Is there winch police?
@@83malibuwagon sorry new Zealand and I should have specified in clubs we fant winch without a protector
I have seen a lot of four wheel drive trucks Ford Chevys Dodges doing some crazy off roading climbing mudding but y only jeeps have mostly winches
Any real Offroad vehicle will have a winch.
Just saying I see a lot off real off road trucks but it seems that jeeps mostly have winches even on UA-cam I have been looking for a winch and mostly jeeps videos
Cuz Jeep is cheap and it needs help getting unstuck
Great video. Just maybe throw a hoodie on the line in case of breakage.
True, although synthetic line stores less energy than steel cable. It’s still not a bad idea to be on the safe side. Thanks for mentioning that
JK Gear and Gadgets only cause I love ya man. I mean your Chanel. 😜
Can somebody tell me what the pointed bull bar on the bumper is supposed to do? I understand the point in protecting your engine bay which is what mine does (it's a lot shorter like an actual bull bar), but then I see others that stick so far forward and at a very sharp angle. I even see some with 1-3 holes in the point. I appreciate any insight on this.
It is called a stinger. The actual design was intended for rock crawlers to prevent them from rolling over forward during extreme descents Offroad. So if your dropping down off a steep ledge and your Jeep starts to nose dive and want to “front flip”, it would stop that from happening. Of course, over the years it has become a style thing since most Jeep owners don’t put themselfs in Offroad situations that would cause a forward roll. The ones with holes in the tip are just there for styling from the brand, they have no real use.
@@JKGearandGadgets Thank you!!
half as slow? or was that half ass slow?
I have been wondering about this as well. Wouldn't the argument be proven definitively if there was a scale placed in front of the winch to see exactly what the work load is? I understand the argument of the winch itself being a pulley but would like to see the proof.
Check out this video for a full explanation. ua-cam.com/video/6L-hMY5TM_I/v-deo.html
here is your proof. Fast forward to about 1 min into the video: ua-cam.com/video/kTj8JhnER5Q/v-deo.html
Is half as slow, twice as fast? 🙃
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I still don't really understand how that makes the winch stronger. Can someone please explain
Mechanical advantage, same as you lifting a 200 pound block off the ground with pulleys
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thanks!
That’s so cool
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Why does this pull the Jeep at half the speed? The winch is still technically pulling rope at the same speed, so why does the Jeep get pulled at half speed?
Mechanical advantage from the pulley. 1/2 the speed, 2x the force
It has to pull twice as much rope to travel the same distance.
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Yep! And if you double back to the tree again you get 3x
are u kiddign me??? he cryed becuse he had to unscrew the D ring... hahhahahahhaa .... kids are great they do the rite thing at the rite time hahhaha
Soo loud.. what year is that winch??
It’s fairly new, it’s how the Zeons sound.
This does nothing. You need two blocks and one has to be in motion.
You need to edit or remove this video to stop spreading misinformation.
Nah, you need to edit or remove your comment to stop spreading misinformation.
If the winch line goes to a fixed point with the SB and then back to the Jeep, it effectively halves the tension on each line or "doubles" power of the winch. If the line goes from the winch, through a SB at a fixed point and then on to another fixed point, then yes, MA is equal to 1, the same as if there was no pulley. Check out this video for an explanation. ua-cam.com/video/6L-hMY5TM_I/v-deo.html
Thanks Aaron Adkins for the video explaining how Thatairplaneguy is wrong. Thatairplaneguy, You need to edit or remove your comment to stop spreading misinformation.
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This is why that factor 55 flat link is a big piece of shit. With it justice introduces one extra piece to fail with that soft shackle in it now.
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Your equipment is so clean and new looking like it has never been used therefore I find it hard to believe you know what you are talking about.
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There is no "x" in the word "especially". I hate it when people add that letter into a word where it doesn't belong. Same thing goes for "escape". No "x" there either.
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Can I double winch 2 jeeps? In one attach the pulley with a shackle to one and the other with the winch?
I’m trying to understand what your talking about here. Explain again?
JK Gear and Gadgets instead of using a tree to pull out, grab de pulley to another jeep, it is possible?
Yes, same thing. Hook the snatch block to their shackle on a bumper
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U are saure, that i s Double Power? This is only to change the Direktion.
If the winch line goes to a fixed point with the SB and then back to the Jeep, it effectively halves the tension on each line or "doubles" power of the winch. If the line goes from the winch, through a SB at a fixed point and then on to another fixed point, then yes, MA is equal to 1, the same as if there was no pulley. Check out this video for an explanation. ua-cam.com/video/6L-hMY5TM_I/v-deo.html
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Yeah this was an old video of mine
Nope...this is still just a 1:1 ratio...THIS DOES NOT GIVE YOU DOUBLE PULLING POWER...😠
Sorry to burst your bubble dude. But you are wrong. That does not increase your pulling power or in crease anything. Single snatch pulls are for directional purposes. The line travel on both sides of the block are equal, therefore no gain. Google it !!
That is true with a static force pull. When you add a winch (a pulley within itself) it doubles the pulling power. Google it
Also, it decreases the speed in half, so where does that extra “gear ratio” magically disappear to? It transfers directly into mechanical advantage AKA 2:1
If I winched to a snatch block, and then to a tree then yes it will be 1:1, but a block back to the Jeep will increase pulling power
Engineer here, I think you’re both off a little. You’re not really doubling the “power” of your winch (that would be cool though), you’re decreasing it’s work by effectively halving the load on the winch. This occurs from the snatch block and rigging sharing some of the force in the system. What this means is that instead of the winch seeing let’s say 8000lbs of force in the line, had it been shackled directly to a tree, it now sees 4000 since this is a single purchase system, or a single pulley. You don’t get this for free though, since like the author stated, your bumper is the anchor point on the free end of the line and is inevitably seeing that other 4000 pounds as a reaction force around the recovery point hole (the poor snatch block sees all 8000lbs). Daniels right in saying it doesn’t increase power, but wrong in saying there’s no gain. You gain relieving your winch motor and that allows it to take twice the load before stalling out at its max torque limit (which never changed).
Double power is just a standard way of saying all this garbled nonsense people usually don’t care about. Semantics, right? Either way great video and production quality! I really enjoy your stuff man.
your wrong theirs twice the amount off winch cable out so check with newtons law one action has a opposite reaction 5 ton pulling by winch around snatch block with no resistance will pull 5 ton down the other line to vehicle thus pulling capacity on snatch block equals 10 ton off force to anchor point
of the snatch block dont forget the winch and hook can both move but the snatch block is fixed
I don't think that's correct.
Sorry but your wrong Daniel treaty just look at a crane Do you think that all that cable is run through all those pulleys for nothing.
Sorry you are wrong. You need two pulleys and three rope sections to halve the load . Tie a rope to the ceiling , have a pulley on the ground with rope through it, go back to the ceiling with a pulley up there and then pull on the third length of rope , if you pull it to the ground the pulley in the middle will only rise halfway. One pulley and two rope sections only changes direction of pull.
@@GrimReaper-ly8zk You're partially right. One pulley and two lines only changes direction if the second line is not run back to the vehicle. If the winch line goes out, through a SB or pulley attached to a fixed point and back to the Jeep, it reduces the force needed by the winch to pull the weight of the jeep by half and so "doubling" your winches power. See this video for more explanation. ua-cam.com/video/6L-hMY5TM_I/v-deo.html
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