Comparing Doctor Who: "The Tenth Planet" - 1966 vs 2013
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2019
- A side-by-side analysis of the original and animation of The Tenth Planet
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Nothing beats that freshly baked Josh Snares video smell.
Thanks for the lovely (as always) video, I needed a pick-me-up today.
Doctor Bag PhD what happened?
Ayy, I worked on this! I was one of only 5 animators on The Tenth Planet. (we expanded to nearly 20 for Moonbase). Thanks for the kind words and pointing out all the meticulous lengths we to to keep things as accurate as possible. What an experience it was!
Thank you for all your hard work!
The Tenth planet style of animation is my favorite of the Dr Who recreations. The rest i've seen look cheap and nasty. Your animation looks like how an adaptation should.
Thank You so much!! ❤I wish you were still animating them!
It’s such an important episode, you just know it’s in a private collector’s vault somewhere.
"Love, pride, hate, fear! Have you no emotions............
...Sir?"
needs more suspense
48 years later:
'Love, is not an emotion! Love, is a promise!'
Make of That, what you will. (I like it!)
@MissJupiter2596794 Say What?
Josh Snares needs less teeth
@@JoshSnares yeas
I wish they would animate Fury From the Deep.
Wish Granted!
that story is a top 5 of mine to be found so the fact nothing of it survives hurts :( but it is now being animated so that is some good news :)
Well well well. Guess you got your wish
I've never seen fury from the deep
They already did 😒
Ive Been an doctor who fan for less then 2 years. My curiosity brought me to classic who moderately quickly. I really enjoyed what ive seen of the 3rd and 4th doctors so there the ones ive seen most of, but hearing about what happened with a lot of the black and white era broke my heart, there important parts of the history, hearing 10th planet was one of them did not make me happy. but i learned about the animation because of that. If there was any lost episode most deserving of it its this one.
I want the dalek's master plan to be animated next
It would be fun if a lost episode that has been animated was found so we can comepare the two much better
I really want The Celestial Toymaker animated (or found obviously)
I wish Planet 55 would do The Underwater Menace But alas it swims with the fishes.
If they chose to animate Underwater Menace nothing in the world can stop them now!
@@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 Having seen some fan attempts at 3D CGI recons, I think I'd need a lot more convincing they're a good idea. It's difficult to see how doing it well could be afforded. These animations have to be made within the constraints of the money made in home media sales. They also have to make a profit on top of it.
If the cost of the 2D work is already close to bank breaking, I think that stepping up to full 3D (there's some 3D inclusions in the animations already) may be a leap too far. This is especially the case if they still want to convince fans they're legitimate recreations at the same time. You do get the moaning purists who throw a tantrum if they so much as move a background extra out of place! I've heard a lot of belly aching from those types concerning The Macra Terror these past few weeks (Which I think has been brilliantly done).
If the Beeb invested proper money in the projects then the quality levels would go up sharply. I wouldn't hold my breath on that though.
@@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 Interesting example. I'd be willing to give something like that a go but the art style is intensely off-putting for me (not that the art style would have to look like that of course). I guess it still comes down to the cost per hour for the animators working on the project. If it can be brought close to that for 2D, then it might well have a shot at succeeding.
I would like to see something like The Faceless Ones being animated.
Well, looks like you just hit the jackpot
@@ephraiminsigne5312 Could we get the Space Pirates next?
Which story would I want animated? Easy. The Evil of the Daleks.
"YOUR EMPEROR IS ORDERING YOU! DO NOT FIGHT IN HERE! DALEKS, OBEY ME!!
I miss the Planet 55 recons. Did the Beeb ever explain why they never did another one?
The question should be, "What episode wouldn't you want animated?" and I don't have an answer for that. The ones I really want the most are The Savages (Steven's last story), The Highlanders (Jamie's first story) and The Wheel in Space (Zoe's first story), but as I've said before, I want them all. Until I ran across this wonderful channel, I hadn't realised there were any other animations besides Power of the Daleks and Shada, so now I have all the stories with animated episodes except The Moonbase - and that's next on my list to order!
What next to be animated? Would love Evil of the Daleks and then Dalek Masterplan. A nice dream and not likely to happen before I end up in an old people’s home!
A very interesting side-by-side comparison.
Evil of the Daleks would be my pick for animation. If they go a little off-piste like The Macra Terror they could make it look far more epic than the original production could ever have hoped to achieve.
It'd be a huge and expensive project though, so I have doubts that it would ever happen.
Absolutely love your vids Josh. Thanks mate 👍🏼
Great video, Josh, as always. Looking forward to the next!
4:12 i think that close up of ben is when mondas fell apart. you can tell that he's saying, "it's fallen to bits!'
Thank you!
I want a full Evil of The Daleks and Dalek Masterplan with Mission to the Unknown recreation as a prologue.
Hey Josh! I know a few details about the Tenth Planet Episode 4 that may have been missing from the video, the opening scene isn't the same as the ending scene from Episode 3, if you read the camera script and look at the telesnaps you can see how it could've originally looked, David Gillispie-Pratt did do a video about this, so you should check it out! For the ending shots filmed on 8mm, the shot of the Docto may have been when he yells "Hey Barclay do not help them!" and the up close shot of Ben is when he says "It's fallen to bits!" and finally, the shot of Ben afterwards is him saying "Hey, look." which a lot of reconstructions get wrong and place it in the "The Doctor and Polly!" scene. Great video though!
Another great video Josh - I had watched it when you first uploaded it, but watched 'The Tenth Planet' last night (finally, in all my decades as a Who fan it's the first time I'd seen it!) and revisited this video afterwards to see how the animation compared to the original.
The serial itself I really enjoyed. I loved this early, 'basic' version of the Cybermen - in some ways I found them actually creepier than later incarnations, especially with their weird speech patterns which could have resulted hilarious but for the most part comes off as really unnerving. I also felt that these early Cybermen weren't as overtly 'evil' as such, more that they were simply following their emotionless (albeit twisted) logic to save themselves. The story is mercifully four parts long - as much as I love the classic series' longer 'slow burner' format over NuWho's "all crammed into one episode" approach - some of those Hartnell and Troughton stories can occasionally be a bit challenging to get through in terms of sheer length. Thankfully temptation was resisted to stretch this one beyond a four-parter and it benefits from it as a result.
Previously I've watched 'The Invasion' with the two animated episodes, and whilst that does a reasonable job reconstructing the lost originals, the 'Tenth Planet' seems to stick to the (surviving) source far closer, budget allowing. Out of all of the missing episodes, rediscovering the missing final episode of the serial is surely the holy grail to most 'Who' fans - maybe one day, but sadly time is passing (and film is decomposing)...
I just finished reading the Tenth Planet target novel, and it just makes me want this episode to be found more!
I believe the famous regeneration scene is the only martial to survive from The Tenth Planet Ep.4.
Johnny Smith I am aware of that.
That is brilliant Josh! You're amazing. For me - I would love a full animation of 'Marco Polo', all seven episodes in full colour (with monochrome option of course). :-)
An excellent analysis. The story I would like to see animated most would be The Celestial Toymaker.
I feel like this should have been released in 2008 to mark 45 years of doctor who and the 100th birthday of William Hartnell or they could have done this in 2000 marking the silver anniversary of his death, a tribute with Anneke Wills, Verity lambert etc. If that did happen maybe the underwater menace would get animated as the moonbase is released in 2013, while the crusade gets a DVD recon release.
Thanks for the video. I do need to clarify though a little information. The wording " hand cranked" is not completely accurate. In the 60s home movies were made on a format called Standard 8. The cameras used a 25 foot role of 16mm film . You shot 2 minutes of footage and then had to reload it to shoot on the 2nd side of the film. ( which was cut and spliced in the lab)
Standard speed was 16 FPS while TV was 25 frames per second. This created the flashing bands you see. The cameras were spring driven . You wound them up and then shot until the spring wound down. There were slight fluctuations in the shooting speed and sound had to be added later by getting a magnetic strip glued to the edge of the film after editing. In the late 60s battery operated Super Eight Cartridge cameras became the norm and could shoot at 16fps or 24fps. But again because of the speed difference , shooting off a TV screen creating bands because you were seeing the space were the image formed on the cathode ray screen.
My favorite cybermen story. I hope they animate Evil of the Daleks next.
The Cybermen in the Tenth Planet were awesome
I’d like the Underwater Menace next because that was supposed to be animated. Plus I just love the story.
Following that:
The Savages - So that story can get the recognition it deserves.
The Faceless Ones - A Fantastic story.
The Celestial Toymaker - It’s very visual. The recon is hard to watch.
Fury from the Deep - This story is great.
The Wheel in Space - This one is obviously the next one. It’s a good story but not the best.
The Highlanders - Jamie’s first adventure.
The Crusade - To get it the final half complete done.
The Myth Makers - Vickis final story and it’s a story that needs more love.
The Evil of the Daleks - I don’t like the first half but the 2nd half is great. It’s a shame it’s not episode 6 or whichever part with the playing Daleks we don’t have surviving imo.
The Space Pirates - Maybe as an Animation this story will be more watchable.
The Web of Fear - Needs to be done and would be quick and full the gap until that thief returns the episode...if ever.
The Abominable Snowmen - To go in a box set with Web of Fear. I can’t remember much from the story
The Smugglers - To complete the Ben and Polly Era.
Galaxy 4 - nice overlooked story
The Massacre - Boring story but it’s then done.
And that leaves 2 popular and long stories for the final 2 animations
I’d say Marco Polo first so we can end with Daleks Master Plan. I’d have mission as that recreation thing
I think the animated Tenth Planet episode is absolutely incredible to look at, though I hear it's from the creator of the TIE Fighter anime short, so I'm not surprised.
Given that there is a short animation of The Wheel in Space Part 1, it gives me hope that the production team behind The Maccra Terror will get to work on that story next.
However, if they do not animate The Wheel in Space next, then I would like to either The Faceless Ones or Fury from the Deep animated next.
or both :)
Its great animation however i think they should have used the real regeneration that is the most important clip
I look forward to getting a copy of The Macra Terror, now that it's been animated, and I'd like to see the remaining episodes of Evil of the Daleks get animated soon.
Wait, The Macra Terror has been animated? When did this happen?
I love Planet 55! The Reign of Terror had issues but I love the authenticity they put into all of their work. I really appreciate all of the animations, but I do wish they were all still done like this: 4:3, black and white, as faithful as possible.
I'm assuming they will stick with stories that are completely missing so they can do colour versions, therefore, I would love to see Fury From the Deep or The Highlanders. If we include stories that have existing episode, then The Abominable Snowmen or Evil of the Daleks.
I assume for the most part they put a glaze overlay on the footage and animated over it explaining why they match up so well.
Adore all three of them
William hartnell, Ben and Polly
Underrated TARDIS team
I would like to see more historicals to be animated, like Marco Polo and The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve
. But I think an animation of The Celestial Toymaker (in colour) has more chance.
To be technical, I want to see Evil of the Daleks restored through animation officially...
I love these videos
I’d like to see animations of The Massacre (my favorite Hartnell) and The Abominable Snowmen at some point...
Wonder if anyone will find there those other two shots are supposed to fit in?
Either The Crusade or Fury From The Deep.
I think Fury From The Deep would be a great episode to animate.
Such a great episode that the animation team have animated it now.
Now that two full missing Troughton serials have received the animation treatment, I think it's time to move onto Hartnell. "Master Plan" is my first choice.
It would be awesome if you do a comparison of all 3 versions of his regeneration.
you should do the ice warriors or the moobase next
I would like to see Evil of the Daleks or the Faceless Ones animated next.
I hope one day this episode will be recovered
I would like to see the evil of the daleks
Snap!
I fear it'd be too damn expensive to animate though. That said, the D-word and the reputation of the serial might rake in some extra sales.
Tenth Planet Episode 4 is one of those frustrating episodes that literally disappeared rather than being destroyed. That's not to say that it wasn't, but it wasn't supposed to be, and may have wound up in a mislabelled canister. This is so infuriating because it COULD be out there, but if it wound up unintentionally destroyed, we'll never know.
Awesome more more more videos!
I want the celestial toymaker most.
I’m glad I got The Tenth Planet DVD.
For it would have to be The Abominable Snowman or Evil of the Daleks.
How do you feel now, based on the rumors? Lol
Mikhael I don’t know, I’m Happy but I’m not sure about the new animation style.
Planet 55 know what they're doing that's for sure.
The animation style looks similar to the anime Doctor Who which was made quite some time ago I don't know if it is the same person or not?
I’ve recently just watched the Savages reconstruction and the story is fantastic, probably one of my favourite Hartnell stories. I don’t particularly like Stevens exit ( it feels like he was pressured to stay with the society) but it was still pretty sad. I would most likely want to see The Savages animated just because it’s Stevens last story.
My choice for animation would probably be Marco Polo or Dalek Masterplan.
Arr Jim lad, they needs to animate The Smugglers, avast behind,shiver me timbers .
Planet 55 does the best anims, Reign of Terror looks phenomenal I think it's the best so far, but I haven't watched Macra yet it's sitting on top of all my other nice new Doctor Who blu-rays...
I believe Planet 55 used the talents of Otaking, who created the Doctor Who anime.
Could you make a comparison between The Tenth Planet and the recreated scenes from Twice Upon a Time? There's a lot of Tenth Planet stuff they filmed for TUAT that ended up being cut.
I agree with doctor who productions my DVD has a telensap full episode and when the regeneration happens the screen ratio changed into the real life regeneration I wish they kept the real regeneration in it and I don’t know keep some of the surving.footage in it aswell
Sadly all the ones that people say would be too difficult to animate because of numerous characters, sets or costumes are exactly the stories I want animated, for those same reasons.
If the animation team was given a decent budget we’d probably get better animation as the Tenth Planet is very well done but is also extremely rushed that it doesn’t look right.
I'd love Marco Polo get animated version , than we would have a complete 60s season of Classic Who which might hopefully give us a possible DW Complete William Hartnell Season 1 Blu-Ray set
I'm surprised they haven't animated The Crusades, it's a wonderful story with only two missing episodes.
And finishing the Crusades would mean that we'd have the entire second season to watch (and the BBC could release the whole season as a proper, complete boxset too).
@@JRRLewis im sure they are working their way to it, but im guessing the people doing the animation have all the models for troughton and companions, and probably easier to stick with troughton and do his stories. So hopefully we will see Hartnell stories in the future. I am collecting the big blu ray box sets so i to would love to see. Also Marco Polo is the only missing story for season 1 and Space Pirates for season 6, so i think we are close to some box sets :)
Too expensive Too complicated Too many characters & too many costume changes
For the next one of these, could you talk about the animation for a certain Unknown Mission (Mission to the Unknown)? Yes, it's unofficial, and the BBC are trying to keep it off of YT, but still...
...Victory.
Just bought it came today bought what I could of the 1st and 2nd doctor's.
Can you do a video on Planet 55 studios?
What if they use Dane to change the 8mm footage to 60fps?
I was so happy when this particular story was animated and I only wish that they'd captured Ben's likeness better.
I would love the Celestial Toymaker 😊
Ah yes Scooby Doo. It was fun to watch them being chased and pass by the same chair and table TEN times!
For the next one...I'm still wishing on the first star I see each night for Fury From the Deep. Even the audio makes for a gripping experience and the telesnaps seem to indicate that this was a high-quality production.
I would love to see an animated Fury from the Deep. 😀👍
Your very talented
You should talk about the Invasion, the first-ever animated episode.
Doesn’t have surviving telesnaps!
Josh I sat down and one point to watch the tenth planet in one full sit in watch it on dvd on the Pal release and I watch it on my ps5
I would personally prefer if they used any surviving footage in the animation, saving time and money. For example the regeneration scene
Well... they did tease Fury From the Deep. Hopefully that one is next.
Next? Easy. 'Evil Of The Daleks'. Having been a fan since 1968, although I did see the Cybermen in 'The Tenth Planet' in 1966, and they scared the bejeezus out of me (I was three at the time), I'd love to see this rather complex Dalek story, of which only one episode, and tiny fragments remain.
Out of curiosity, what's your take on the recreated sequences made in Twice Upon a Time?
Seeing how you've compared Macra Terror, Wheel in Space and now Tenth Planet, what's the next animation comparison you'll be doing? Power?
03:20 So do I, and I watched yesterday the episode, great story.
For me, the animation works better than the reconstruction, this is one of my personal favourites, Mainly for both Hartnell and the Cybermen, who have never been creepier, in my opinion. I would love to see Part 4 returned to the archives.
Can you do comparison of The Invasion!!
I very much doubt that anything was filmed on 'a hand-cranked 8mm camera'.
Hand-cranked cine cameras were long gone by the 1960s, and I would be surprised if any were built for 8mm film, which was a dedicated home-movie gauge.
This footage will have been made on a hand WOUND spring-driven camera, with a fixed frame-rate.
The spring is not wound during filming. It is wound-up at the start, and not again until the shot is over.
How about the pilot episode, "An Unearthly Child"?
You’d think they would have kept at least his last episode.
Evil of the daleks
Hartnell definitely my favorite era
The animation looks very good, but I wish they had used the surviving footage of the regeneration.
It would make so much sense for them to do so, plus it could even make them save money on animation so they wouldn’t have to animate a scene they already have in the archives!
Overall I think they did a good job with the animation of episode 4, is it Pixar Quality no but remember they can't afford that, but their animation has gotten better since then I must say no doubt, I wouldn't mind seeing a color version of this story
As much as I feel many fans would want to see it, I highly doubt the BBC will restore The Daleks Master Plan using such animated means. I think its length would be too cost prohibitive.
I wish they would animate The nightmare fair
The 4th episode was never wiped - it was stolen from Blue Peter
Could you do the faceless ones and the reign of terror
The Reign of Terror sadly doesn't have any telesnaps surviving, so can't compare them!
I might do The Faceless Ones one day :)
Does anyone else prefer this style to the newer animations?
it would be nice to see Marco Polo animated