The Can Am has a different clutch then stock and more aggressive tires then the Arctic Cat which was stock. If you're going to compared the two, to you should make them equal before you hate on one.
i had a can am outty and yeah they eat up mud for breakfast, sadly, I moved to colorado where the visco lok sucks for trails =( I am now thinking of getting a polaris or artic cat for the trails here. I would definitely say can am for mud, but they suck for technical stuff as I experienced it when I moved here
A simple slip on won't help much at all, if you install a full exhaust system with new header pipes and get it tuned you will gain as much as 9-11 hp. If you throw on an aftermarket clutch you will notice a big difference also
You sure about that comment? i did some looking up and on weights of these machines and a 570 XMR weighs more then a 700 MP, i think its about 843lbs for a 570 and a 700 MP is 800lbs when you get in to the 1000's like the outlanders seems like they weigh more then arctic cats. I i mean i checked in to the weights but at the end of the day its all power to weight ratio anyways right, the way the bike is geared and clutching and what not ect.....
@Bamabrute85 I agree on the horsepower, but not on the tires. I would give the edge to the 29.5" Outlaws on the MP not the 30" Silverbacks on the Rene in this type of mud
@Ktharbour6 LOL, the Renegade is the exact same chasis as the Outlander which is also a utility quad, don't let the plastics fool you into thinking the Renegade is a Sport Quad. But it does have alot more power then the 700MP
Well the Renegade made the first pass and dug it up pretty good. The renegade is 687 dry and Thundercat is 716 dry weight. Also the rider on the Renegade knows how to ride! The Arctic Cat guy not so much. If we rode with the AC guy we would have to call him lumpy for being a slow action wheeler hero lol. What I am getting at is its not a power issue or what is the better machine but more of who did the best riding.
I am a CAT owner and went with the Thundercat 1000...70lbs lighter and WAY more Torque!...(faster too) I have the HMF Swamp XL Series exhaust and Speedwerx Clutch Kit as well as 28" Mud Lites Stock top speed was 140km/hr but the tires and clutch kit knocked er down to around 120km/hr Got my WARN 3,000lb winch and Kimpex 60" Plow ordered too as WINTER is just around the corner!!!
for everyone sayin that the renegade had batter tires, wrong, 29.5 outlaws are and have always been the best outlaw tire ever made, they wil hold their own but in my opinion it came down to the renegade has alott more power and the silverbacks found the bottom faster since they dig faster than the outlaws, all in all good vid man thumbs up
@rmm1086 you copuld go with 27" Outlaws they are a great tire, we all run 29.5"s but you will need spring spacers to run them so they don'y hit your headlights, I have not broken an axle in 1700 miles running them....knock on wood...lol
@ostacruiser what size Outlaw would you recommend? I have an Outty 800 Max. Don't want to worry about my axel's breaking, but want the best tire for the mud. I ride a lot in the everglades in South Florida. Love your channel by the way dude!!! Can Am all the way!!
@Str8Ugly LOL thats pretty funny. I dont care who you are, there is a large difference in power between the little AC 700 and the Rotax 800. The rotax has enough power to turn those big 30" sbacks quick enough to clear them out and paddle through. As you can tell, the AC barely had enough power to turn the 29.5s, and at the end you can clearly see his belt smoking.
If you could reccomend some good places to ride in the states since this is in canada what would those places be? These trails look so awesome and the mud is thick and i want places like that to ride at except in the u.s any ideas?
@radioactiveload The engine size has everything to do with it. The renegade has a ton more power, spins those big tires easier and faster, as you can tell in this vid. Spin faster, the faster the tires clear out and the faster they paddle through the mud. As you can see towards the end, the AC's tires are barely turrning.
I think the guy on the cat gave up too soon. Maybe its new and not broken in and didnt want to hammer on it to much. There's no denying the power delivery of the can-am's though. By the looks of it the Renegade isnt going to have any rear fenders left if that suspension flexes lol.
i have a 09 mud pro 700 and i would like to know if i get rid of my garbo stock mst and put 28 silvers due i need to clutch it???? and osta your vids are sick !!!!!!!!
there are so many different ways to look at this.. yes 700 vs 800 but mudpro has 4.0s low end torque where gade has 3.6s (more wheel speed) AC is gonna go through more bc of low end torque and GC (all equal mods/tires) can am is gonna get there quicker if it can make it through (not saying it cant but these are tow totally different bikes)
and then if u see the cam am ended up sideways well that helped him thre the rough spot cuz the tires werent diresctly following 1 onther so they had more to grab
ive had a arctic cat mud pro 700 and it broke down constantly and 1000 renegade and never broke down and actualy has balls. nothing wrong with arctic cat u say?
@wjoldham yeah i know i meant ''Outlaws stay on top of the mud and Silverbacks dig like hell'' But seriously both dig in the mud but silverbacks digs way more xD
If your in alot of mud then you can't go wrong with either. Silverbacks are more expensive and I would rate them very close in performance.....even though this video doesn't show it....lol
lol, 29.5" Outlaws are hardly crossover tires...they pull much better then Silverbacks in bottomless mud, but I agree in the whole 800 twin vs. a 700 single...not too fair
the renegade has a few atributes that make them good in mud, number 1 is weight, there lighter, 2 is power they got more power that arctics 700 and they he found a better line threw wit the cam the the arctic rider did simple as that
The renegade is a light ass bike It floats and is a sport bike the mud pro is a utility not even in the same category of bikes I one up the cat you can't compare them
+blp1539 Research before you sound like an idiot. A renegade is the same as an outlander on the inside. The only difference is the way the plastics are designed.
Please someone help me understand this in a serious way because I can't figure this out! Just about every video I watch either the Polaris or can ams are kicking the snot out of every king quad, grizzly, brute force you name it when it comes to strictly mudding. Why is that? I would think if the suzuki grizzly or brute force had the same ground clearance, diff lock, and good mud tires it should atleast do the same right???
jritch789 comes down to there Power to weight ratio. Polaris and Can Am produce more power than its Japanese counterparts. In the end Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, etc.. can go the same places but just won't perform the same. It also depends on rider skill. I've seen hondas out perform a Renegade 1000 XMR because the rider on the renegade doesn't have much experience.
Thanks for you response. My 500 king quad has 38hp and I believe my uncles Popo 500 has 35 I think. Long story short we both have the same type of tires, ground clearance is similar and me or him aren't balls to the walls by any mean but he seems to get through mud much easier kind of like what I see a lot on UA-cam. I noticed tho that Polaris and can ams have a much wider stance then the narrow king quads and grizzlys, could that be the added benefit also? Thanks man
jritch789 yes and no. The wider stance can keep the Polaris on the side of the ruts while yours is in the ruts. The Polaris is also geared lower than the king quad allowing it to use more power in the mud.
@BeRegal455 the motor size had nothing to do with it, the 700 spins the tires fine, its the shitty arctic cat 4 wheel drive and the half inch less tread hight on the outlaws vs the silverbacks
check out DylanYamahaWolverine channel, he had a red 500 Renegade with 29.5"s, he did quite well with them. You will have to look back a bit he got rid of it last year
the mud pro getting stuck is the drivers fault i do like can am more and im not defending artic cat its just that the guy on the artic cat span his tires to much and sank himself to deep into the hole
the thundercats are much better mud slingers i have 1 with 27 ITPs on and it cruzes ritght threw that, cuz they gots a whole lotta power, they messed up wit the mud pro 1000s i think they exstened them even more than a t-cat and i think the got them 2 long
Badass video but not a good comparison 800vs700 30" hardcore mud tires vs 29" crossovers good driver vs bad driver Don't get off, lean or shake that B**** XP
The Can Am has a different clutch then stock and more aggressive tires then the Arctic Cat which was stock. If you're going to compared the two, to you should make them equal before you hate on one.
plus riders, A/C guy was not nearly as aggressive
29.5 Outlaws are far superior to 30" Silverbacks, which are more like 28's. Silverbacks are garbage compared to them.
MichiganWalleyePro ikr
I agree. Can am probs has a dalton clutch.
that guy on the artic cat should have got the mudpro 1000
i had a can am outty and yeah they eat up mud for breakfast, sadly, I moved to colorado where the visco lok sucks for trails =( I am now thinking of getting a polaris or artic cat for the trails here.
I would definitely say can am for mud, but they suck for technical stuff as I experienced it when I moved here
LOL, they are a good machine, I rode with a 700MP on Nos today...it ripped, stay tuned for the vids!!!
A simple slip on won't help much at all, if you install a full exhaust system with new header pipes and get it tuned you will gain as much as 9-11 hp. If you throw on an aftermarket clutch you will notice a big difference also
The artic cat is a lot heavier than the can am. Artic cats have more pulling power.
You sure about that comment? i did some looking up and on weights of these machines and a 570 XMR weighs more then a 700 MP, i think its about 843lbs for a 570 and a 700 MP is 800lbs when you get in to the 1000's like the outlanders seems like they weigh more then arctic cats. I i mean i checked in to the weights but at the end of the day its all power to weight ratio anyways right, the way the bike is geared and clutching and what not ect.....
Can am is better then AC
@Bamabrute85 I agree on the horsepower, but not on the tires. I would give the edge to the 29.5" Outlaws on the MP not the 30" Silverbacks on the Rene in this type of mud
The renegade is running 30" Silverbacks and the MP is running 29.5" Outlaws
@Ktharbour6 LOL, the Renegade is the exact same chasis as the Outlander which is also a utility quad, don't let the plastics fool you into thinking the Renegade is a Sport Quad. But it does have alot more power then the 700MP
Well the Renegade made the first pass and dug it up pretty good. The renegade is 687 dry and Thundercat is 716 dry weight. Also the rider on the Renegade knows how to ride! The Arctic Cat guy not so much. If we rode with the AC guy we would have to call him lumpy for being a slow action wheeler hero lol. What I am getting at is its not a power issue or what is the better machine but more of who did the best riding.
I am a CAT owner and went with the Thundercat 1000...70lbs lighter and WAY more Torque!...(faster too)
I have the HMF Swamp XL Series exhaust and Speedwerx Clutch Kit as well as 28" Mud Lites
Stock top speed was 140km/hr but the tires and clutch kit knocked er down to around 120km/hr
Got my WARN 3,000lb winch and Kimpex 60" Plow ordered too as WINTER is just around the corner!!!
@crzy2genius In Canada its the law and plus we don't always ride in mud, to get to the trails we have to take either the road or ditch.
IMO the QSC is quieter and pulls just as hard if not harder, I have owned them both
@dvxrider4lifee
The Renegade was running Silvebacks and the Mudro was running Outlaws, pretty much identical tires in the mud!!!!
This video reminds me of a famous phrase. "Taking the dog out for a walk". Never heard of "Taking the Cat out for a walk"
for everyone sayin that the renegade had batter tires, wrong, 29.5 outlaws are and have always been the best outlaw tire ever made, they wil hold their own but in my opinion it came down to the renegade has alott more power and the silverbacks found the bottom faster since they dig faster than the outlaws, all in all good vid man thumbs up
@luneytunega1 Yup the cat is a bit heavier, I believe the Outlaws do better in this kinda mud
@rmm1086 you copuld go with 27" Outlaws they are a great tire, we all run 29.5"s but you will need spring spacers to run them so they don'y hit your headlights, I have not broken an axle in 1700 miles running them....knock on wood...lol
@ostacruiser what size Outlaw would you recommend? I have an Outty 800 Max. Don't want to worry about my axel's breaking, but want the best tire for the mud. I ride a lot in the everglades in South Florida. Love your channel by the way dude!!! Can Am all the way!!
@4FOXMONSTER4 Renegade hands down, you will never wipe the smile off your face with the Gade
@Str8Ugly
LOL thats pretty funny. I dont care who you are, there is a large difference in power between the little AC 700 and the Rotax 800. The rotax has enough power to turn those big 30" sbacks quick enough to clear them out and paddle through. As you can tell, the AC barely had enough power to turn the 29.5s, and at the end you can clearly see his belt smoking.
If you could reccomend some good places to ride in the states since this is in canada what would those places be? These trails look so awesome and the mud is thick and i want places like that to ride at except in the u.s any ideas?
@Eriklee123
They are both running skinny, wides
@shanesoutty Well clearly you didnt know, you cant post links. It throws an error. You have to copy that and type the first part in...
have you noticed a loss in power with the renegade with the bigger tires?
@radioactiveload
The engine size has everything to do with it. The renegade has a ton more power, spins those big tires easier and faster, as you can tell in this vid. Spin faster, the faster the tires clear out and the faster they paddle through the mud. As you can see towards the end, the AC's tires are barely turrning.
Did the cat come stock with that green snorkel on there or is that a custom job?
Stock
shoulda been doin a water wheelie for traction. looked like there was a base there when he was walking
ron woods on the gade?
I think the guy on the cat gave up too soon. Maybe its new and not broken in and didnt want to hammer on it to much. There's no denying the power delivery of the can-am's though. By the looks of it the Renegade isnt going to have any rear fenders left if that suspension flexes lol.
the differance is in the tires!
i have a 09 mud pro 700 and i would like to know if i get rid of my garbo stock mst and put 28 silvers due i need to clutch it???? and osta your vids are sick !!!!!!!!
would a 500 gade pull 29.5 laws pretty easy with some modifications? im thinking about buying a used 800 or new 500.. or used 500 lol
there are so many different ways to look at this.. yes 700 vs 800 but mudpro has 4.0s low end torque where gade has 3.6s (more wheel speed)
AC is gonna go through more bc of low end torque and GC (all equal mods/tires)
can am is gonna get there quicker if it can make it through (not saying it cant but these are tow totally different bikes)
Yeah I have 27 outlaws and there nice and wide, float very nicely
and then if u see the cam am ended up sideways well that helped him thre the rough spot cuz the tires werent diresctly following 1 onther so they had more to grab
ok thanks, and also what do you think about airdam clutches
ive had a arctic cat mud pro 700 and it broke down constantly and 1000 renegade and never broke down and actualy has balls. nothing wrong with arctic cat u say?
why did the guy go right in the can am track's?
What kinda exhaust on the gade?
@NiitroChiZz Yes the Arctic Cat has the better tires, I would roll on Outlaws over Silverbacks any day
@wjoldham yeah i know i meant ''Outlaws stay on top of the mud and Silverbacks dig like hell'' But seriously both dig in the mud but silverbacks digs way more xD
If your in alot of mud then you can't go wrong with either. Silverbacks are more expensive and I would rate them very close in performance.....even though this video doesn't show it....lol
so should i get both what kind of clutching should i buy
which of these would have the highest top end speed
No you will not, the 700 MP's are geared great and will have no probs turning 28's
lol, 29.5" Outlaws are hardly crossover tires...they pull much better then Silverbacks in bottomless mud, but I agree in the whole 800 twin vs. a 700 single...not too fair
why is it given the name: 'MUD PRO' when it gets all the time stuck in the mud?
@guitarguy442766 Definately, but you wouldn't be going on any muddy trails with out them
what do you recommend renegade or pro mud
not to mention the front axles like to snap alot
is the frames better for 09
i have a 1000xmr and want more power should i add a muffler like you guys people say you get more power is that true
i knew the gearing was reduced in the mudpro.. but not THAT low!. there was no wheel speed to that at all. Your better off hitting everything in high.
29.5 outlaws a cross over tire? You kidding me, mud zilla or zillas would be a crossover
Stuck is when you have to wench it out, he just had to push the kitty in the water! :)
fairly equal bikes.... one will withstand more punishment than the other, the AC dont have the wheel speed like a canam, the can ams tires clean out
outlaws or silverbacks is my question
there is nothing wrong with arctic cats, i have 2 of them and they are twice as tough as my honda.
the renegade has a few atributes that make them good in mud, number 1 is weight, there lighter, 2 is power they got more power that arctics 700 and they he found a better line threw wit the cam the the arctic rider did simple as that
The renegade is a light ass bike It floats and is a sport bike the mud pro is a utility not even in the same category of bikes I one up the cat you can't compare them
+blp1539 Research before you sound like an idiot. A renegade is the same as an outlander on the inside. The only difference is the way the plastics are designed.
i guess the .5in on the tires made the difference :)
Please someone help me understand this in a serious way because I can't figure this out! Just about every video I watch either the Polaris or can ams are kicking the snot out of every king quad, grizzly, brute force you name it when it comes to strictly mudding. Why is that? I would think if the suzuki grizzly or brute force had the same ground clearance, diff lock, and good mud tires it should atleast do the same right???
jritch789 comes down to there Power to weight ratio. Polaris and Can Am produce more power than its Japanese counterparts. In the end Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, etc.. can go the same places but just won't perform the same. It also depends on rider skill. I've seen hondas out perform a Renegade 1000 XMR because the rider on the renegade doesn't have much experience.
Thanks for you response. My 500 king quad has 38hp and I believe my uncles Popo 500 has 35 I think. Long story short we both have the same type of tires, ground clearance is similar and me or him aren't balls to the walls by any mean but he seems to get through mud much easier kind of like what I see a lot on UA-cam. I noticed tho that Polaris and can ams have a much wider stance then the narrow king quads and grizzlys, could that be the added benefit also? Thanks man
jritch789 yes and no. The wider stance can keep the Polaris on the side of the ruts while yours is in the ruts. The Polaris is also geared lower than the king quad allowing it to use more power in the mud.
@Nameless41000 It's the exact opposite actually....lol
@childofthestud haha yea it was like 5 inches down
@ostacruiser a lot has to do with the weight of the two
Everyone is defending the pro yet it's made specifically for mud?
That renegade was fucking sick!!!
@BeRegal455 the motor size had nothing to do with it, the 700 spins the tires fine, its the shitty arctic cat 4 wheel drive and the half inch less tread hight on the outlaws vs the silverbacks
Put an aftermarket clutch on the artic cat
i just meant wat would u suggest ha
check out DylanYamahaWolverine channel, he had a red 500 Renegade with 29.5"s, he did quite well with them. You will have to look back a bit he got rid of it last year
Maybe textron will build a better wheeler lol...doubt it tho..
Nice Arctic Cat but it's looking more like a push pro.
@yamaha4Llfe umm can am has the 2011 xmr bud
Whats the fun of getting off your bike and walking along next to it. Can Am all the way.
i agree with this dude!
@elaposto Terms by far out of those three
@ostacruiser yea the reason the can am went threw was that 71hp power plant hahahahaha
Belt smoke show at the end, barely made it through the end..
gotta love v twin power
the mud pro getting stuck is the drivers fault i do like can am more and im not defending artic cat its just that the guy on the artic cat span his tires to much and sank himself to deep into the hole
@edwardvanhalen123456 The renegade by about 15 mph
i have ran both and for w/e reason i do better with the silverbacks they are a nice tire
my grizzly 450 will even smoke those things with 30"silverbacks
the thundercats are much better mud slingers i have 1 with 27 ITPs on and it cruzes ritght threw that, cuz they gots a whole lotta power, they messed up wit the mud pro 1000s i think they exstened them even more than a t-cat and i think the got them 2 long
what exhuast on tha gade
@EdHater111 in canada its the law
Badass video but not a good comparison 800vs700
30" hardcore mud tires vs 29" crossovers
good driver vs bad driver
Don't get off, lean or shake that B****
XP
Guy on the Mud Pro needs more practice in the mud.
I got a Mud Pro its freakin awsome!!
Silversback stay on top of the mud and Outlaws dig like hell
can am jump like a wild african buffalo from gator teeths
Кот ехал ближе к камере.
@crzy2genius u never know and cops dont bother u as much with a helmet on
he did run in high
@slimjim9059 link does not work, just like a honda lol
I own one, I can make fun of em, cuz my outlanders will blow it away
big cat needs more power to clean out those tires
@Nameless41000 you are so very wrong.....i have 30'' silverbacks on a mud pro 1000 and they dig to china just like outlaws
thats some nasty shit yalll got there. thats for sure
first one in just made it harder for the second one lol