I get emotional listening to the young man struggling. I can empathize. I'm not a Calvinist at all, but go to a Reformed church out of submission to my husband, and I struggle with these things as well
Sister I'll pray for you and your husband. I'm still struggling with rage watching this young man, because I was him a few years ago. Though I'm not a Provisionist, I believe God used Dr Flowers to lead me away from Calvinism.
I don’t believe you are obligated to attend a church that does not align with sound biblical doctrine just because your husband has made his choice. It’s not my intention to create division but it would be no different than joining a church with prosperity gospel or a cult. You are free in Christ to attend a church that will feed you spiritually and encourage you in your walk. This notion that a wife must continue attending an unsound church out of obedience to her husband is wrong.
DW: You would be well advised to know - the Calvinist pastor in this video - is using deceptive language to mislead this believer And in at least one occasion has told him a straight out lie.
God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9! God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined! Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1! Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright ! So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says ! Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue. So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8! But if you’re a Calvinist, it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“! Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try! Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross! Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the world, but he only had to die one time Says hebrews, so don’t get it wrong like Moses; when did Jesus die ? So this trumps predestination before the foundations of the world, because God chose to to write this to disprove & trump predestination! Revelation 13:8
This kid in no way shape or form should be a teacher, he is simply a regurgitator of informatuon he's been fed, a non-thinker, absolutely sad and heartbreaking listening to this kid completely throw stumbling blocks in front of this heartbroken man. Actually stirs up Godly anger in me to rebuke him. This is the horrible side of calvinism, the real people that it is DESTROYING their faith
@@Masowe.I disagree strongly, in love. We should be righteously angry when lies are told. Should we have grace towards this young man, absolutely, but that doesn’t mean we can’t or shouldn’t call out falsehoods and correct those who do so.
@@Masowe.Guess you don't take seriously the warning that Christ Himself made to those that cause a young one to stumble. These heretical horrible belief systems need to be called out for the chaos and confusion they cause. And yes I love calvinistic brothers, but I will continue to call them out, and again, yes, it makes me very angry the way they are representing our beautiful loving Father....
Ryan seems distant and cold in his response. Mr. Bones is asking him questions and is falling apart because the lies he is being told are obviously conflicting with his God given understanding of right and wrong and what is reasonable and Ryan seems to have little to no empathy. I am not surprised though. To accept false teachings, one must become colder and more “matter of fact”.
On the part of somehow God getting glory from people going to hell this completely goes against this verse. “For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.” Ezekiel 18:32 KJV God doesn’t pleasure in our death. He also commands us to turn. Again another verse with God commanding people to do things they are supposedly incapable of doing. Why is He commanding it why isn’t He just doing it and making them turn.
Time-stamps 34:00, 34:45 - Romans 9 42:54 - How many have heard the Gospel? 1:14:00 - The definition of choice 1:15:17, 1:15:49 - Emotions 1:17:57, 1:21:54 - Love
Then why isn't the whole world saved? Why is the gate narrow and few go thru but why is the gate broad and many go thru? Answer me that. Besides even if He loves the whole world, no Scripture says the Whole world is saved. Of Course Flowers has rewritten the Bible to deceive those who agree with him.
*ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW CALVINISTS EVADE TELLING THE TRUTH* At minute 20:31 (The Calvinist's response to the question) Calvinist: -quote Now first of all, if you are ever wondering, am I predestined, or am I not predestined? The answer to that question is - do you believe in Christ? If you believe that Christ paid for your sins, and you are *GENUINELY* believing, then you know you are of the predestined. This statement - in Calvinism - is both FALSE and is reliant upon deceptive language. The doctrine stipulates *NO HUMAN* is granted knowledge of who the elect are The elect are a *DIVINE SECRET* which only Calvin's god knows. John Calvin -quote We must leave to *GOD ALONE* the knowledge of his church whose foundation is his *SECRET election* [Institutes 4.1.4] -quote if he has *DOOMED US TO DEATH* it is vain for us to fight against it. (Institutes 3:23:12) This - in Calvinism is called the *INVISIBLE CHURCH* And telling this believer that he is granted discernment of whether belief is *Genuine* or not - is a *STRAIGHT OUT LIE* The Calvinist cannot rely on *PERCEPTIONS* of belief, or faithfulness, or works - because Calvin's god creates a large percentage of believers as *CHAFF* believers - whom he *DECEIVES* giving them *FALSE PERCEPTIONS* of faith and salvation. John Calvin -quote But the Lord....instills into their minds such *A SENSE* ..as can be felt without the Spirit of adoption. (Institutes 3.2.11) -quote He illumines *ONLY FOR A TIME* to partake of it; then he....strikes them with even greater blindness (Institutes 3.24.8) These Calvinists will go through their whole lives - experiencing a constant stream of *FALSE PERCEPTIONS* and eventually wake up in the lake of fire - and there realize what Calvin's god created them for. This provides yet another example - of how Calvinist language is not a TRUTH-TELLING language Calvinist language is a *COSMETIC* language - designed to make the doctrine *APPEAR* to be benevolent - when it is predominantly malevolent. *NEVER* take Calvinist statements at face value! In Calvinism - deceptive language is not acknowledged as deceptive language.
This post is the most extreme strawman I’ve ever seen. I could pop off and say “typical Arminian”, but I won’t. False teaching resorts to extremes when exposed to the truth.
@@dw6528 That first point is a straw man and incorrect. [1Jo 5:10-13 ESV] 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. 11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life. Institutes? I guess if you are trying to say Calvinism takes everything that John Calvin said to heart. But it doesn't. So quoting the institues does you no good because the vast majority of Calvinist believe in TULIP alone and not the institutes of Calvin. Even reading the little you wrote, you are talking about HYPER Calvinism and that is where you fail.
I made a video about NEEDGOD aka Ryan, showing him banning me for merely asking if he was a calvinist. I was new to listening, and he said some calvinistic things, and I wanted clarity. I quit listening because I think it's horrible to ban someone from a channel for merely asking a question, especially when he seemed to like everything else I said. Seems like he is trying to downplay himself being a calvinist and tries to hide it.
Calvinists always hide themselves as Calvinists at first. They will reveal their true color after they get the trust and attention of the people. McArthur for example, didn't tell the congregation that he was a Calvinist until 20 years later.
@@ejcumpa07 🎯 My best friend's church got a new pastor (stealth Calvinist). My friend, a lifetime member of over 50yrs , and head deacon, confronted him privately about the 'issue'. He said he could not believe he had a pastor who did not believe Christ died for everyone... The pastor frankly replied, "I can't believe I have a deacon who believes he did"! .... at least being honest in private. The pastor stopped alter calls, every sermon was directed at how 'worm-like' we all are and how fortunate some people are to be loved by God and to be "elect'.... after 3yrs at least 1/3rd of the congregation had left. It was a disaster.
Most Calvinists instinctively know at some level how bad their beliefs are and feel some degree of guilt over it, though most won't even admit that to themselves, let alone anyone else. That guilt, as well as the fact that preaching Calvin openly scares everyone off except truly depraved and narcissistic individuals, leads them to do all they can to hide the fact that they are Calvinists. The few exceptions to that rule are the "consistent Calvinists" who are arrogant and cruel-minded enough to openly and honestly embrace the horrific implications of their beliefs and laugh scornfully at all the "reprobates" who are rightfully sickened by those implications...
Sadly Calvinism promotes the idea that scripture doesn't teach scripture and you need a PHD in Calvinism to understand Calvinism and must submit to the early church fathers teachings to understand it, saying in effect that the Holy Spirit is not really our teacher. I remember accidentally stumbling into a Calvin Church many many years ago before I knew what calvinism was, and was sharing my testimony , when the next Sunday one of the Deacons or whatever handed me this huge thick book and said I needed to read and study that. I had no interest in it and returned it the following week. Becareful of any CULT who hands you a book you MUST read in order to understand the Bible. God's word is living and powerful on its own. And the Holy Spirit within is the greatest teacher of all.
@@ericbarnett3529 yes , it was called "Institutes of the Christian Religion" by John Calvin. Now that I know what Calvinism is, I praise God that as a young Christian at that time, and so hungry for the Word, I didn't eat on that one. I found God's Word was very satisfying on its own, and now spend a lot of time refuting Calvinism. It's one of the most dangerous doctrines in the Church. Here's what I know; THE CHURCH, the Body of Christ is built upon the foundation of Jesus death and resurrection. OUR VERY FOUNDATION who is Jesus Christ is our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life. That foundation is Romans 6. Our very union with Christ. THIS is missing in Calvinism as well as missing in all false teachings and counterfeit Christianity. Its missing in the Charismatic movement as well. They indulge the flesh WE CRUCIFY THE FLESH. Our being raised up with Christ, the moment we are Born Again comes as a result of first being baptized into His death. We are crucified with Christ. This is NT GRACE. They claim OT saints were born again WITHOUT THE CROSS. And NT saints are born again without the cross. Calvin believed he would have to stand before a tribunal. So he could not have believed or understood the Blood of Jesus wasked away our sin but didn't wash away our old man. Our identification with Jesus in death crucified the old man. Romans 6. Without that foundation there is no change, no power to overcome. No resurrection power ***Philippians 3 to walk in newness of life.
@ryleighloughty3307 I'm not sure where to start. But I will start with Genesis. When Adam and Eve sinned their conscience did not die. Romans 1-2 make that clear. Man seared his own conscience leading to the flood. However we have the verse that after Seth was born men began to call on the name of God. And of course Noah was of Seth's lineage who's faith we read about in Genesis and Hebrews 11. So no, all humanity did not become Jeffrey Dommers at the fall. I also believe God's Word is living and powerful , stronger than Satan, stronger than man. That there are 2 blindings in scripture...one where Satan has blinded the minds of unbelievers , and the other where God blinded SOME of the branches of Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles come in. Calvinism exclusively uses the 2nd one here, totally rejecting that the Light of the Glory of the Gospel can open the eyes of those Satan has blinded. Paul was sent to open the eyes of those Satan blinded by preaching the Gospel. Genesis 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord. Abel dies, Cain and descendents are as Cain showed , rebellious against God's way of doing things even after God gave Cain a 2nd chance to do whst was right. That's grace. Grace us not having your name picked out of a hat winning some heavenly lotto. Faith also is not a work. Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Thank you brother Flowers for all the work you do. Your clarity of explanation has helped me and my family immeasurably. May God bless you for truly bringing the Good News to many of us.
I'm here looking through the comments to see if anyone says they know how. At a minute fifteen, Dr Flowers asks anyone to send him info if they know how to contact him. He calls himself Dr Bones. I hope someone can find him. I'll be praying for him.
Yes, the greatest deceit is they don’t preach the gospel the way they believe it. Ie this is their Gospel: “If you’re one of the elect chosen in eternity past ,God will grant the belief you need to believe that Jesus died for your sin and you will be saved, you will have no choice. If you’re not, then there’s no hope for you”.
@@ricoparadisoCalvinist is a misnomer that was given to Christians who believed in Predestination. Predestination is actually why the Catholic Church went on such a murderous rampage on them. Funny how these people side with that.
21:17 Evanescent Grace is the Fly in the Calvinist's Ointment... It is indistinguishable from 'real' grace/faith and no one knows if the faith they think they have is sufficient and/or intended by God to last... it's impossible. Calvinists are literally 'dying' to find out if they're really, truly, saved and loved by God. And Satan laughs at his success in planting the seed of doubt in the mind of man, especially believers, that God can be trusted to love anybody.
“Satan laughs”, yes absolutely. Is Calvinism within true Christianity? I don’t know. Who is served by its lies? Satan. Who hopes people will doubt or question their salvation? Who wants people to think that Jesus’ death and resurrection might not be sufficient for them?
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Quite untrue. Scripture says if you believe in the Gospel then you are saved. Flowerism teaches you to doubt. Read the bible and believe you are saved.
@@ericbarnett3529 I'm not sure where you're coming from with that comment. Of course, scripture is clear that God saves those who are willing to believe... (whosoever). I've never had a moment of doubt regarding my salvation for over 50yrs. It is Calvinism which denies all men the ability to believe and respond positively to God and the Gospel from birth. Apart from God's effectual act none are able to believe. And this is only done to certain individuals he has pre-selected before they were even born. And, when it 'happens' they are unable to resist it. The claim is that regeneration (salvation) always precedes faith. Men are not saved because they believe, they can only believe because they are saved. Do you affirm the basic beliefs represented by Calvinism regarding who, how, and why men are saved?
1:23:22 the beleif that God has unequal love is such a driving factor for legalism, performance based faith. We all desperatly want to be loved. And to be loved by God. So to say he might not love you equally to someone else, presumably someone else whos a better christian. Then what a sad downward spiral into desperatly seeking to be in that special place of Gods love that will create for someone. Even if that guy isnt meaning to say that, thats the result of someone who will hear, God doesnt love all people equally.
Leighton is laying out the truth, that can set you free! It amazes me that so many bible leaders who should know better will buy into Calvinism. I guess they stop reading too soon and only get a part of the teaching and walk away with misunderstandings. This may not send them to hell but I think it robs them of blessings.
1:37:46 Yes indeed. I’ve also used the counterargument of Luke 14:26: “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.” Like Dr. Leighton Flowers mentions, the correlating example in Luke, The word “hate” here doesn’t mean literal hatred or animosity. Rather, Jesus is emphasizing the cost of discipleship, using a form of hyperbole to stress that our love for Him must surpass all other loyalties. In comparison to our devotion to Christ, all other relationships, even the closest family bonds, should take a lower priority. In the cultural context, the word “hate” can imply loving less or being willing to sacrifice for the sake of Christ. -You’re doing great work Dr. Leighton Flowers. Keep showing the true love of Christ through your wisdom, guidance, patience, and respectfulness. It’s truly a blessing to witness to you giving a Christ like love to all. God bless 🙏
@@castropianoforte It's not at all the same thing. If we choose Him because he chose us then the ones who choose God are restricted to only the people God chose to choose. If we love him because he loved us then the love of God which is expressed to the whole world allows for all people to choose God.
@@michaelnewswanger2409Is it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved? Revelation 20:10 NKJV [10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki Repent when? After the lake of fire? No. Or do you mean it's possible as in every human has a free choice to accept or reject? Yes.
Ok I just have to say this brother Leighton, just like there comes a time in everyone’s life where they reach the age of accountability, there also comes a time when a person’s knowledge and study of the scriptures renders them accountable for what they teach. When you have theologians who’ve been studying the word of God for several decades, they’re scholars in the Greek & Hebrew languages, they’re scholars in early church and Jewish history there comes a time when there’s just no excuse for refusing to see the truth. Laymen in the congregation might have the excuse of ignorance but certainly not the pastors & preachers who’ve been studying theology for several decades. I know you’ve seen it with your own eyes that they intentionally omit and twist parts of scripture to cater them to their theology. I applaud you for your desire to promote unity but there has to be a point where we just have to say that some of these teachers just have no excuse for what they’re preaching. May God open their eyes and their hearts.
23:57 so they agree here. Calvinists still are urged to preach the word to everyone. The pre-selected number is true, but we can never know the number. God has given the opportunity to all, but not all will accept. Basic concept.
Jesus died for our sins but not only our sins but for the sins of us. (Necessary translation if 'world' means 'the Elect.') That's how we know the Calvinist interpretation is wrong.
...and the reason the British Calvinist is so detached and unmoved by the tremendous grief he's causing his guest, just reveals exactly how he views God...Calvinists become like the harsh unloving God they have created!
My heart is so heavy for those in Calvinism. I broke down crying during worship today as we sang, "I have decided to follow Jesus no turning back." We did not sing that at the Reformed church my family just left where we were members for seven years. It makes me cry every time. 😢
The only way I could have any peace and keep the faith if I was persuaded, or maybe I should say deceived, into believing Calvinism, is to have a very cold heart that didn't care about the majority of people and to say to myself God is sovereign and has the right to create people for the sake of His glory by predestining them for Hell.
Has Leighton ever adddessed Lamentations 3:37,38?? Wondering how these verses can be interpreted biblically.. Thanks! 37 Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come?
Sounds like this is talking about prophecies, whether about blessings or curses. If God says a plague will happen, it’ll happen. If a false prophet says it’ll happen, it won’t.
I pray that poor boy will watch this and reach out to you. Its so sad hes so sad and confused and listening to this guy expecting he will have all the answers
I'd be cautious about saying God can't deceive someone. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12, 1 Kings 22:22-23, and especially Ezekiel 14:9 seem clear that he can. We can be certain that if God does something it is just and right even if it wouldn't be if we did it.
@jeremywolffbrandt7488 I'm always very careful when speaking of my GOD . Also, never once did I say that GOD can't deceive someone. You of course implied that I did but it's plain to see that I didn't.
@jeremywolffbrandt7488 I know what I said and as I've already told you once , I never once said that GOD can't deceive someone. So, you believe when CHRIST stated John 3:16 that HE was deceiving some and not others ? I ask because you're advocating for the idea that GOD is deceitful after all , while taking what I stated about it completely out of the context in which I said it which speaks a lot actually.
Leighton, please, please, please try to contact "Mr. Bones" and have a conversation with him! It breaks my heart and makes me angry that he is being mid-led into further confusion!
Something dawned on me while watching this video. If God is the embodiment of love and we’re supposed to love our wives as Christ loves the church and our neighbors as ourselves. Why wouldn’t God love everyone like that? Cause our neighbors can be unbelievers too, he doesn’t say love your neighbor as yourself “if they’re believers”. And I know that it says as Christ loves the “Church “ but that’s besides the point. Anyways, I don’t think God would expect us to love people differently than he does and hold us to a higher standard. That being said loving someone isn’t damning them to an eternity in hell fire. Also, I’m not saying that God doesn’t have a special love for believers because he does. Thanks God Bless!
Agreed brother! I think we can know God is good, that he has to judge sin because he is perfectly just but that he gives everyone and opportunity to be saved because he is perfectly loving. ❤️ some folks won’t accept the opportunity based solely on their own free will choice but praise God we have chosen to accept his gift.
Leighton will forever have my and my wife's thanks for helping us begin our journey out of calvinism, but you all have got to keep going. All the way back to the ancient church. All the way back to Orthodoxy. Before the reformation reacting to Catholic innovations, before the great schism when the Patriarch of Rome left the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and descended into heresy- ask all the hard questions, but listen to the answers. Read the scriptures with the eyes of the Apostles. Read the Didache and the Apostolic Fathers. And pray with the upmost humility that God would show you where the fullness of the faith resides. It took us 3 years in total to embrace the Orthodox faith, but nothing could ever convince us to go back. Father Josiah Trenham, Father Spyridon Bailey, Father Turbo Qualls, Father John Peck, Father John Whiteford, and many others, have devoted themselves to helping bring all of us who profess Christ, as best we know how, home. Edited to add: Seraphim Hamilton and Father Stephen DeYoung as well. And anything available in book or recorded form from Father Seraphim Rose.
Calvanism has become a thorn in my side. Calvanist love it bc it makes them feel good. They believe with their whole heart that they must be the chosen ones, and that makes me feel really good. They are special. But this poor guy who is struggling to grasp this concept bc it makes no sense and it’s heartbreaking. I have been struggling with this too since attending a church that I thought was Baptist but the pastor was very slowly teaching calvanism. I was completely thrown we he taught about tulip. Wednesday nights were saved to learn about people like Augustine and Martin Luther.
An important study that all believers must look into is God's anger. The Bible teaches that God is most angry with is those who teach false doctrines and lies about God, hence we who teach will be judged more strictly. We can lead believers into freedom or bondage.
I have debated this channel a lot and I’m shocked at what we disagree on. Every time we discuss a topic I get answers that are not in scripture and seems to be from a book and now that I know they’re Calvinist’s, it makes a lot of sense.
All I want to know is when calvinists preach the gosple to unbeliver will they say "God Love you" b/c may be he don't. I think this is what they should say "maybe God loves you "
Grace and peace from Christ to you brother, thank you for the content!! What are some good non Calvinist preachers to listen to UA-cam. Sometimes I just want to listen to a sermon but only Calvinist preachers pop up.
I must admit, when I come to observe an argument, I am a bit skeptical of anyone that is so focused on one thing (Calvinism and it's errors) to the exclusion of all else and spends such an inordinate amount of time in emotionally striving to disprove it. When obvious anger regarding Calvinism (who hurt you this badly with the teaching, anyway?) is placed against more irenic, measured, unemotional theologians defending the opposite viewpoint, I must say that one would be led to believe that the other "side" is the correct one.
Calvinism is hurtful because God is loving, merciful and just. The god of Calvinism is completely different. A god that would create someone specifically for damnation sounds horrid especially seeing that according to calvinists they can’t even choose good or evil and worst yet they cannot choose to believe God. What sort of god is that?
Is it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved? Revelation 20:10 NKJV [10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
I'll be praying that this young man sees this video and makes contact with Leighton for help with his struggles, or at least listens to Scripture presented in context on Soteriology 101. Perhaps if this video was widely circulated on FB it might eventually reach this young man who's battling so much with legitimate questions about an illogical Calvinistic interpretation? I'll be praying about whether to post on FB. Maybe others will pray the same? Xx
Leighton, I wish I would just hear you clarify once and for all that we are condemned BOTH because of rejecting the light available to us AND because of accepting to work evil deeds--as one action. John 3:19-20.
45:40 you argue for a minimalistic saving faith. I don't disagree. I do wonder what exactly was enough saving faith in the OT? Merely the belief that God would send a redeemer? Assurance is only possible based on a clear promise.
Assurance is still not possible. The problem is salvation is not a one-time moment, it is a process. This is how every Christian before Martin Luther understood "salvation." It's not a legal status, either. Salvation is the process of actually becoming righteous, like Christ. It's not something that happens instantly, and it's not a status that is credited to you by fiat. It is an actual, reql righteousness that is worked in the believer. Martin Luther was the first man to challenge this belief. I don't know about you, but I will not follow one man. "Justification" also refers to a process.
@@EpistemicAnthonyHow can you explain it’s not credited to you instantly using Romans 4:5? How does your belief in your ungodly being justified by Christ become a process?
@IT-SaacStudios It comes down to how you define the word "faith" in this case. Martin Luther defined understood faith as being a mental assent. It can also be understood as "trust." Suppose you tell a martial arts instructor that you want to become a blackbelt. He says "trust me, and you will become a black belt." When he uses the word "trust" here, we know that he is not saying "have mental assent, and when you do make that mental step, you will instantly become a black belt." What he means by "trust" is "obey my instructions, and you will eventually become a black belt." Now, let's factor in works. If he said "you will become a black belt by trusting me, not by your own actions," what that would mean is "you will not become a black belt by trying really hard on your own. You need my instruction to make it happen." So in this case, we would interpret this verse as "those who trust God to conform them to His standard rather than thinking they can do it on their own without Him are the ones who are seen to be right."
@ You still haven’t really answered my question. I asked how this verse Romans 4:5 can be interpreted as a continuous growing faith. And if it can be, I have no idea how this works. Do you have to grow in belief to get Jesus to justify more of your ungodly? Because it’s a very easy thing to learn that Jesus died for all sin. Does your faith get continuously counted for righteousness? Not only that, but your former analogy sounds exactly like when the people looked at the metal serpent to get all their snake bites healed, and how Jesus continuously healed others instantly by touching them and speaking and them touching his garment. I thought the whole point of Jesus’s power is that he’ll save anyone in an instant bit. And our faith is waiting patiently for his return. Sure, we’re given duties to train in his word, never to get saved tho, but to spread the light and the news.
@IT-SaacStudios Here's a FB post I just made about this topic that should answer your question: Two views on the Gospel: For ancient Christians, the Gospel referred to the message that Christ's *resurrection* had saved all people from Hades, the state of near-non-existence after death. Now all people go to be with God when they die. However, standing in God's presence is not easy (Isaiah 6:1-6) because God is a consuming fire. Those who love evil will hate being exposed to His perfect goodness. Those who love good will feel His presence as paradise. "Hell" refers to being in the presence of God with an impure heart. "Heaven" refers to being there with a pure heart. The problem for mankind, then, is that we must be transformed so that we love goodness and hate evil. This process by which we are actually transformed into more righteous people is called "salvation." Thus, statements in scripture like "you are made righteous by faith" are understood to mean "you are transformed into a more righteous individual by trusting God's instructions." To say this is "not done by works" does not mean no physical actions are involved. Rather, it means it is only by trusting God can we make this happen; it is not going to happen from us just trying really hard on our own. When you are typing a document on the computer, you must choose the "justification" of the letters. Do you want them justified to the left, center, or right? To say "you are justified by faith" means "you are conformed to God's standard by trusting His instructions." We are the letters on the page, and by trusting in Christ's instructions, we will be justified to Christ, just as the words are justified to the left or right. With this, we will be able to stand in God's presence without feeling tormented by His goodness. Now to a second view: In the Reformation, Martin Luther understood many of these terms differently. For Him, following Roman Catholicism, mankind due to Adam was legally guilty because Adam sinned. Thus, we all need punishment for this crime in hell, an eternal prison/torture chamber. In order to be freed from this legal sentence, Christ came to Earth to take the legal punishment we were sentenced to. Through Christ's *death* on the cross, our sin-debt is paid. Martin Luther understood "faith" to not be referring to "trust," but rather to the intellectual position a person has about Christ. (Over time, this would become amplified in Protestant theology to mean "convinced," leading to a great emphasis on head-knowledge.) "Justification" became re-interpreted to refer to a legal not-guilty verdict, rather than an actual changing of the individual to conform to God's standard. "Justified by faith, not by works" in Luther's view therefore means "you are declared not-guilty when you reach the proper mental position towards Christ; you do not earn this not-guilty verdict through any physical action." Over time, Luther's view of the gospel was taught to people under Luther and throughout Europe. Many of these people went to America during the colonization era. People being taught this view of the gospel thus believed that it was the clear teaching of the scriptures, because they had been taught Luther's definitions of these terms. All the while, they were unaware of the way Luther had (unintentionally) redefined and reinterpreted these passages, leading all American non-Roman-Catholic Christians to believe that this "not guilty verdict through agreement with Christ's sacrifice" was the clear gospel taught in scripture.
I WISH Leighton would've explained what it meant "the Lord seeth his day coming and will laugh." How about in Proverbs 1 where Wisdom (who is CHRIST in the New Testament) will laugh at the calamity of those who didn't listen, and will even refuse to save them when they finally call on Him?
A lot of this video is: Step 1: *Plays a tiny part of what Ryan says* Step 2: Leighton then argues against what he thinks Calvinists believe even though Ryan didn’t say what Leighton is responding to. Step 3: Repeat But I was surprised to hear Leighton at around 46 minutes teaching that a person today doesn’t need to hear about Jesus to be saved, just to have faith in whatever light they have. So if a person only hears about Islam (not Christianity) and has faith in the God of Islam and follows that religion exclusively, they are saved?
You're the one misrepresenting him here. He said one isn't saved on account of the knowledge they received, rather their trust in the finished work of Christ. You on the other hand have the problem. If God predestined people to damnation and paradise before creation, then you don't have to spread the gospel because that's a futile attempt. It's no different from allah in islam. He chooses who he wills and damns who he wills. So I wonder what you're preaching to Muslims when you don't even know if your God has damned that person from the foundations of the earth.
@NeedGodnet you ban people from your chat that are friendly towards you, only because they merely ask if you are calvinist, in order so they can have clarity in what you teach. You are a dishonest deciever. Calvinists wreck peoples faith. Alot of people are looking for a God who is Love. But you do not teach a God like that. And you misrepresent God, and teach that he is something else. And when people like me leave new age and other religions and turn to the bible as the ONLY HOPE, only to listen to people like you tell us "no hope here either" since you make God no better than Satan, it makes us question the God of the Bible. And I would try to be nice to you, but that is not what you want. You want to be a little cultist who is so scared of just an innocent question. I think you know what you teach is evil or you wouldn't be so sensitive and quick to ban someone for MERELY JUST ASKING A QUESTION. It's disgusting how you treated that caller. I can relate because I had no idea the church I was going to was teaching calvinism and as a person trying to learn, I was losing my mind. And there you are, pushing this guy over the edge.
30:25 it is telling that when Jesus had the option to stay with the Father in glory, or to be with us on earth without glory, he chose the second option. Because Jesus loved the Father and us more than he loved his glory.
@@bethanywolfe5065Is it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved? Revelation 20:10 NKJV [10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Leighton my brother, I bless you for what you are doing. It is just so painful to listen to that other brother there misrepresent God. At least there are voices that openly address that, and give people a Gospel answer (Calvinism isn't Biblical).
Doctrines of men have run rampant since before Moses died on Mount Nebo. It is, in fact, a symptom of the 'logical and 'intellectual' bent of Christianity that has either forgotten or outright denies the efficacy of the Holy Spirit to lead you 'into all truth' If all sought-then followed-the Holy Spirit, then there would not be this division. Unfortunately too many value their own reasoning above the truth given by the Spirit of God.
At 1:01:20 Leighton himself clearly says the tulip god is not the true God of the bible. My question to Leighton than is how sir do you refer to them as brothers and sisters in Christ. If calvanists are brothers and sisters in Christ than we should also refer to jws mormons in the same way because after all they claim to worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob...hmmm makes no sense
Calvinism is by far the most deadly doctrine that is JUST OUTSIDE of the salvation issue. Yes, I believe Calvinists can be saved. Unlike liberal christians or universalists, or relativists, or many other so called Christians who clearly compromised on the Gospel itself and no longer believe even the most basic soteriology - that you must repent and trust Jesus to be saved. But even though Calvinists do not quite cross that line most of the time, they are still so far gone it's absolutely scary to me, thinking that so many Christians fell for this. One of the core reasons is this - Calvinism is the most powerful fodder for leaving faith altogether that we allow into our Orthodoxy. So many people struggle with the question of evil in the world. And Calvinists have the WORST ANSWER possible for that question. Because they believe God did not die for everyone, but instead created evil himself, and wishes evil upon completely innocent people, like the reprobate children, all the time.
Calvinism is very close to that line because it can easily lead to a works based salvation. The person asking questions in the video has no assurance. It’s so sad. The only thing he will have for assurance after this talk is reliant on his own mind and thoughts and emotions instead of GODS WORD. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13 KJV God wants us to KNOW.
@@VictorRestoIs it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved? Revelation 20:10 NKJV [10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki The Bible already tells us what they are going to do which is reject Jesus so I am not sure what you are getting at with this question.
Calvinism in of itself doesn't fail. it's taking things to the extreme, which does. This is why even respected theologians like Sproule have said all of us have some errors in our doctrine. The bottom line is, as long as you are straight on primary issues such as who GOD is and how HE gives us salvation, then you're ok.
Even a posh accent can't make that wicked set of doctrines sound good. I see a young brother looking at the Bible, seeing what it clearly teaches and this guy (accent and all) trying to convince him that God DOESN'T love his creation, that God DOESN'T seek the salvation of the lost and he just ignores the man in tears to keep pushing this poison on him. At least John Piper would have stopped pushing and just let the young man believe in something other than Calvinism...
I have no idea how you leighton stay so calm. It so upsetting to me, that poor guy was heartbroken and devastated, I have no idea how he ended up at that guys channel. The calvinists lack compassion, they are so proud in their “salvation” that they treat people like less than. It’s evil. They try to annihilate Gods character. My God is a just God, not evil. My God has no evil in Him: their god sound like satan
And in John 6:45, what very important word that comes before “learned” that explains what must happen to every potential believer before the learned part even comes into play?
The drawing of the Father/giving from the Father does not refer to predestination. It refers to people learning from the OT prophets. When someone learns from the OT and therefore rightly recognizes Christ, that is the Father "giving"/"drawing" them to Christ. That's how everyone before Calvin interpreted these passages.
The land where I live is ruled by King Charles III. He is the sovereign of my country. I know that he doesn't have the powers somo of his forebears did, but I know of no earthly sovereign that irresistably controlled the lives of his subjects. They were sovereign in the sense that there are consequences for anyone who steps out of line. Similarly, God’s sovereignty is not that of irresistability. God bless you and your ministry, Leighton.
Would like to see "Smartchristian " 27:13 answer this because he is taking the worst of Calvin's teachings. I really want he to be saved from this because I liked him as a teacher.
I think Leighton way over complicates Reformed Theology. Ryan explains it as simply; "do you believe in Christ? If you believe Christ has paid for your sins then you are of the predestined". That's not complicated at all to understand. There's so much extra words by Leighton being used here and it's really very simple.
Reformed theology is complicated because within them there are complication.. like calvinism, hypre, 1 to 5 points..etc. What you say is not complicated... but how you believe? Is it freewill? Or God ordained or predestined you to believe?
Good word as always, brother. That word "patience" implies God is waiting and hoping for them to repent. That makes no sense if He causes them to never be able to repent, or why is He being patient? This goes right along with 2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Keep telling the truth. GO TELL! ☝️
Is it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved? Revelation 20:10 NKJV [10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki if they are human beings, yes. All people can repent and believe the gospel. But apparently God is letting us in on their future and they will not. Just because God knows their choices does not necessitate they He wills or causes their choices. Just as Judas had complete free will not to do what He did, God knowing what he would do prophesied about his decisions he would make. That did not take away from his being able to choose to do the opposite. For God to know what Judas would choose, there had to be the opportunity given him in order to make a choice. He had plenty of opportunities to get saved being with Jesus daily. But scripture says he was stealing all along, being the treasurer of the group. He was not lost because God made him stay that way, he was lost by his own choice. And God knew what he would do. Just as he knows what the beast and false prophet will do. We cannot fully understand by experience the foreknowledge of God, but it is clearly taught that God knows, but does not cause everything or our choices. Or else love would not exist, sin would be God's fault, hell would be unjust, and on and on would the character of God be damaged and mocked. Lord bless. ☝️🙏
@mickknight6963 IF they are human beings? They ARE human beings. And no, they do not have a chance to repent. Their eternal destinies were predetermined before they were born. God gave us this revelation in His word. That's how we know. I can tell you ahead of time what they will do prior to their deaths. Should I read Revelation 13 to you? They WILL do those actions. They are not free to do otherwise. Sure, when that time comes there will be a choice, but what they choose is predetermined. Just because what they choose is predetermined doesn't mean there wasn't a choice. It just means they aren't free to do other than what God foreknows they will do and where they will end up(perdition). God's foreknowledge is deterministic. The reason it doesn't make him the author of evil is BECAUSE HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE AND PREDESTINATION IS ACCORDING TO TRUTH. There is no evil in truth. Truth is pure and always right. God's truth contains no evil. Therefore, He can and does predestine souls to eternal life or eternal condemnation according to His will, not according to man's will.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki no God knowing does not necessitate his causing at all. Our God is much bigger, more powerful than that. He does not have to cause to know. He knows because He is God. In His sovereignty He has created free will creatures to govern our own choices. In other words when someone chooses to reject Christ and go to hell, they really could have chosen differently.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki and sure they could repent. But God knows tgey will not. Not because He predetermined them not to, but because they freely choose not to. And God, being God, knows that, not because He wanted that. You are confusing what happens with God's will. God does not will all that happens, such as when anyone goes to hell. And when you sin every day. God never wills any of them.
could someone please explain to me why dr flowers calls people who deny john 3:16, deny christs atonement and love for most people AND who blame God for all sin and evil "brothers"? how can you be a christian and deny john 3:16 and many other verses and be a christian? can I reject lots of the new testiment and still be a christian? if so we MUST also consider catholics, the pope, mormans, and eastern orthodox as christians as well.
Yes, especially the ones actually teaching and preaching these doctrines that serve only the devil. Teaching and preaching these doctrines to believers who then often want to turn away God.
Question for Calvinists: when an unsaved person faces judgement, does he then learn God chose to send him to hell from eternity past, or does he spend eternity in hell never knowing why?
Calvin himself believed they were actively chosen for reprobation and damnation. Also the “passing over” distinction isn’t a real one because according to Calvinism, God determined everything, ensuring that they would be damned.
@@thercmaniac7752 you need to actually read some reformed people on this subject. I do not recall Calvin ever saying they were actively chosen for damnation.
In this video you kept saying “Calvinists say this or that”, but many of those things were NOT things I said in the video nor have ever said. In fact, I don’t label myself as a Calvinist, since those kinds of labels I find create confusion and often are unhelpful. So rather than classing me as something I don’t claim to be, why not actually have a conversation with me whenever we do viewer chats if you want to know what I believe? People don’t end up in hell because of something outside their control, people end up in hell for their own sin that they have chosen to do. And that’s completely just.
In all honesty - you may not label yourself that but your expressed doctrine really lines up with it. For example, in your conversation with Catholic Answers, it really seemed like standard conversation between a Catholic and a Calvinist and it was really hard to watch in both episodes.
Yeah, nah. You're a calvinist. You're a "I'm not a calvinist, but ..." type of calvinist. If you walk like a duck and quack like a duck you are a duck.
@@LindsayJackel I'm rethinking my comment: it may be that NeedGod is not a 5-point Calvinist. It seems at the very least that he does not believe in Limited Atonement, which is a good thing. So in this sense, we may have misunderstood him based on the other points of Calvinism that he does believe in - wrongfully assuming that he believes in them all - for which we apologize if that's the case. However, I do believe that one cannot hold to any of the points of Calvinism without (logically) approving all the other points. In this sense then, most of us have been there before.
@@emmanuelmakoba6085 If you watch the video, you will see that I simply quoted Scripture, not any theologians. Leighton spent a long time arguing about things I didn't speak about in the conversation. And then Leighton made the claim at 1 hr 22 mins that God sending rain and sunshine on people isn't God loving people. Really? That is literally what Jesus says is a demonstration of God's love toward everyone and a basis of why we should love. Matthew 5:43-45 - "But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?" ^ Clearly God sending rain and sun on everyone is God showing his love.
You're the one misrepresenting him here. He said one isn't saved on account of the knowledge they received, rather their trust in the finished work of Christ. You on the other hand have the problem. If God predestined people to damnation and paradise before creation, then you don't have to spread the gospel because that's a futile attempt. It's no different from allah in islam. He chooses who he wills and damns who he wills.
It is in fact a lie to pretend and use the words “everyone has already made the choice to reject God” if nobody had the ability to do otherwise. It is a flat out contradiction in terms and a lie.
Ryan told Dr. Bones that God is loving the reprobates by sending rains, sunshine, etc..., but God would still judge them for destruction because of the nature that they have no control over.. Is that really love?? Is that really grace? The question is why would God show them love and grace (ie. rains, sunshine, breathe, strength, life, and all the good things) and not elect them and give them the irresistible grace? What's the purpose of showing and giving the reprobates the "common grace"? It's like God is treating the "reprobates" as animals. Farmers give "love" and "grace" to their cows, pigs, and chickens so that one day, they will be put to death because of their nature these animals have no control over. Again, what's the purpose of God showing and giving people (ie reprobates) the "common grace"? I believe this is where 2 Peter 3:9 applies.
Hi. Can i expect you to make a video on the sad case of Steve Lawson?? because this really exposes their doctrine, isn't it? According to this doctrine did God determine for SL to live in sin and keep preachings? Did God determine for that church to be deceived and to live in deception for his glory? Serious questions to be answered.
No. Because you are a person who still needed the grace. It would be like a homeless person boasting that they reached out to accept charity. It's not something that a person in Paul's culture would've considered boast-worthy.
1 John 3:17 says, “But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?” If irresistible grace is true and we have no ability to respond to God appropriately because of the nature He determined we would be born with and He has the ability to help us, but chooses not to, that seems very clearly to be unloving based on the definition of God’s love given to us by John in the verse above.
“But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?” It doesn't. Now what was the problem?
@@castropianoforte It isn't clear to me if you are posting your comment in agreement with me, challenging me or unsure what I was trying to say so hopefully I respond appropriately. To answer your question, the problem is the love of God, the kind of love that helps another when it is in their power to do so, doesn't abide in the person who fails to help their brother, but instead, chooses to close their heart against them. Their lack of His love abiding in them is what leads them to fail to provide the help they would have provided had they had His love abiding in them. In other words, they fail to do the loving thing. God, on the other hand, who is love, doesn't fail to help anyone. He genuinely desires all to be saved from their sin and death which is a consequence of sin and yet some choose to resist His efforts. What a wonderful and merciful Creator and Savior we have.
It's the many called few chosen scripture that Makes it limited However whosever will may come the parable of the wedding feast and the one ousted because no wedding Garment which indicates Wasn't washed in the blood Of the Lamb!
God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9! God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined! Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1! Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright ! So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says ! Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue. So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8! But if you’re a Calvinist, it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“! Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try! Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross! Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the world, but he only had to die one time Says hebrews, so don’t get it wrong like Moses; when did Jesus die ? So this trumps predestination before the foundations of the world, because God chose to to write this to disprove & trump predestination! Revelation 13:8
I get emotional listening to the young man struggling. I can empathize. I'm not a Calvinist at all, but go to a Reformed church out of submission to my husband, and I struggle with these things as well
Sister I'll pray for you and your husband. I'm still struggling with rage watching this young man, because I was him a few years ago. Though I'm not a Provisionist, I believe God used Dr Flowers to lead me away from Calvinism.
I don’t believe you are obligated to attend a church that does not align with sound biblical doctrine just because your husband has made his choice. It’s not my intention to create division but it would be no different than joining a church with prosperity gospel or a cult. You are free in Christ to attend a church that will feed you spiritually and encourage you in your walk. This notion that a wife must continue attending an unsound church out of obedience to her husband is wrong.
DW: You would be well advised to know - the Calvinist pastor in this video - is using deceptive language to mislead this believer
And in at least one occasion has told him a straight out lie.
@@Sonder231 He doesn't believe it's unsound though.
God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9!
God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined!
Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1!
Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright !
So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says !
Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue.
So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8!
But if you’re a Calvinist, it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“!
Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try!
Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross!
Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the world, but he only had to die one time Says hebrews, so don’t get it wrong like Moses; when did Jesus die ?
So this trumps predestination before the foundations of the world, because God chose to to write this to disprove & trump predestination!
Revelation 13:8
As a free will baptist minister, I have always enjoyed your content
This kid in no way shape or form should be a teacher, he is simply a regurgitator of informatuon he's been fed, a non-thinker, absolutely sad and heartbreaking listening to this kid completely throw stumbling blocks in front of this heartbroken man. Actually stirs up Godly anger in me to rebuke him. This is the horrible side of calvinism, the real people that it is DESTROYING their faith
You seem to be a bit angry and disrespectful to our brother in Christ
@@Masowe.I disagree strongly, in love. We should be righteously angry when lies are told. Should we have grace towards this young man, absolutely, but that doesn’t mean we can’t or shouldn’t call out falsehoods and correct those who do so.
@@BenjaminButler-zs1cm but calling a grown man "kid" is just rude and disrespectful. I don't see what purpose that saves.
@@Masowe.Guess you don't take seriously the warning that Christ Himself made to those that cause a young one to stumble. These heretical horrible belief systems need to be called out for the chaos and confusion they cause. And yes I love calvinistic brothers, but I will continue to call them out, and again, yes, it makes me very angry the way they are representing our beautiful loving Father....
@@Masowe.Highlighting youth and the accompanying inexperience & foolishness serves no purpose?
I pray this young man will see this video.
Ryan seems distant and cold in his response. Mr. Bones is asking him questions and is falling apart because the lies he is being told are obviously conflicting with his God given understanding of right and wrong and what is reasonable and Ryan seems to have little to no empathy. I am not surprised though. To accept false teachings, one must become colder and more “matter of fact”.
Yes, tragically enough.
Is Ryan a Calvinist?
@@andys3035 It would seem so, from what he is saying.
@@ingela_injeela I knew something rubbed me wrong about him
@andys3035 When they say we are utterly incapable of responding to God, unless God *makes* us - that essentially makes God into 'Allah'.
On the part of somehow God getting glory from people going to hell this completely goes against this verse.
“For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.”
Ezekiel 18:32 KJV
God doesn’t pleasure in our death. He also commands us to turn. Again another verse with God commanding people to do things they are supposedly incapable of doing. Why is He commanding it why isn’t He just doing it and making them turn.
Time-stamps
34:00, 34:45 - Romans 9
42:54 - How many have heard the Gospel?
1:14:00 - The definition of choice
1:15:17, 1:15:49 - Emotions
1:17:57, 1:21:54 - Love
Calvinism teaches that God DOES not love the Whole World!! How can any christian respect that view or those who teach it?
depends on what calvinist you ask. God has a base love for all of His creation
Then why isn't the whole world saved? Why is the gate narrow and few go thru but why is the gate broad and many go thru? Answer me that. Besides even if He loves the whole world, no Scripture says the Whole world is saved. Of Course Flowers has rewritten the Bible to deceive those who agree with him.
Calvinist are deceived by their Pope MacArthur
It's only obvious that they're not saved because they refuse to believe duh !!
@@Fila5620 True Christians don't have a Pope, silly.
*ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW CALVINISTS EVADE TELLING THE TRUTH*
At minute 20:31 (The Calvinist's response to the question)
Calvinist:
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Now first of all, if you are ever wondering, am I predestined, or am I not predestined?
The answer to that question is - do you believe in Christ?
If you believe that Christ paid for your sins, and you are *GENUINELY* believing,
then you know you are of the predestined.
This statement - in Calvinism - is both FALSE and is reliant upon deceptive language.
The doctrine stipulates *NO HUMAN* is granted knowledge of who the elect are
The elect are a *DIVINE SECRET* which only Calvin's god knows.
John Calvin
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We must leave to *GOD ALONE* the knowledge of his church whose foundation is his *SECRET election* [Institutes 4.1.4]
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if he has *DOOMED US TO DEATH* it is vain for us to fight against it. (Institutes 3:23:12)
This - in Calvinism is called the *INVISIBLE CHURCH*
And telling this believer that he is granted discernment of whether belief is *Genuine* or not - is a *STRAIGHT OUT LIE*
The Calvinist cannot rely on *PERCEPTIONS* of belief, or faithfulness, or works - because Calvin's god creates a large percentage of believers as *CHAFF* believers - whom he *DECEIVES* giving them *FALSE PERCEPTIONS* of faith and salvation.
John Calvin
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But the Lord....instills into their minds such *A SENSE* ..as can be felt without the Spirit of adoption. (Institutes 3.2.11)
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He illumines *ONLY FOR A TIME* to partake of it; then he....strikes them with even greater blindness (Institutes 3.24.8)
These Calvinists will go through their whole lives - experiencing a constant stream of *FALSE PERCEPTIONS* and eventually wake up in the lake of fire - and there realize what Calvin's god created them for.
This provides yet another example - of how Calvinist language is not a TRUTH-TELLING language
Calvinist language is a *COSMETIC* language - designed to make the doctrine *APPEAR* to be benevolent - when it is predominantly malevolent.
*NEVER* take Calvinist statements at face value!
In Calvinism - deceptive language is not acknowledged as deceptive language.
Excellent points.
This post is the most extreme strawman I’ve ever seen. I could pop off and say “typical Arminian”, but I won’t. False teaching resorts to extremes when exposed to the truth.
@@jmbrown3502 DW: I'm happy for you to show which statement in that post (if any) is FALSE.
Good luck with that! :-]
@@jmbrown3502Yet you can’t refute anything…… All you can do is say “strawman” which means NOTHING when you can’t articulate the strawman.
@@dw6528 That first point is a straw man and incorrect.
[1Jo 5:10-13 ESV] 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. 11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Institutes? I guess if you are trying to say Calvinism takes everything that John Calvin said to heart. But it doesn't. So quoting the institues does you no good because the vast majority of Calvinist believe in TULIP alone and not the institutes of Calvin. Even reading the little you wrote, you are talking about HYPER Calvinism and that is where you fail.
I made a video about NEEDGOD aka Ryan, showing him banning me for merely asking if he was a calvinist. I was new to listening, and he said some calvinistic things, and I wanted clarity.
I quit listening because I think it's horrible to ban someone from a channel for merely asking a question, especially when he seemed to like everything else I said.
Seems like he is trying to downplay himself being a calvinist and tries to hide it.
That's horrible and should not be tolerated
Thanks for sharing, it says a lot.
Calvinists always hide themselves as Calvinists at first. They will reveal their true color after they get the trust and attention of the people. McArthur for example, didn't tell the congregation that he was a Calvinist until 20 years later.
@@ejcumpa07 🎯 My best friend's church got a new pastor (stealth Calvinist). My friend, a lifetime member of over 50yrs , and head deacon, confronted him privately about the 'issue'. He said he could not believe he had a pastor who did not believe Christ died for everyone... The pastor frankly replied, "I can't believe I have a deacon who believes he did"! .... at least being honest in private. The pastor stopped alter calls, every sermon was directed at how 'worm-like' we all are and how fortunate some people are to be loved by God and to be "elect'.... after 3yrs at least 1/3rd of the congregation had left. It was a disaster.
Most Calvinists instinctively know at some level how bad their beliefs are and feel some degree of guilt over it, though most won't even admit that to themselves, let alone anyone else. That guilt, as well as the fact that preaching Calvin openly scares everyone off except truly depraved and narcissistic individuals, leads them to do all they can to hide the fact that they are Calvinists. The few exceptions to that rule are the "consistent Calvinists" who are arrogant and cruel-minded enough to openly and honestly embrace the horrific implications of their beliefs and laugh scornfully at all the "reprobates" who are rightfully sickened by those implications...
Ryan is Australian. Thankyou for your ministry. It has brought clarity in the deluge of Calvinistic philosophy we get from the internet
Sadly Calvinism promotes the idea that scripture doesn't teach scripture and you need a PHD in Calvinism to understand Calvinism and must submit to the early church fathers teachings to understand it, saying in effect that the Holy Spirit is not really our teacher. I remember accidentally stumbling into a Calvin Church many many years ago before I knew what calvinism was, and was sharing my testimony , when the next Sunday one of the Deacons or whatever handed me this huge thick book and said I needed to read and study that.
I had no interest in it and returned it the following week.
Becareful of any CULT who hands you a book you MUST read in order to understand the Bible. God's word is living and powerful on its own. And the Holy Spirit within is the greatest teacher of all.
@@Larry-s1n Must be a cult of another book must be read to be saved. Salvation is by grace alone, by faith alone, by Christ alone.
@@ericbarnett3529 yes , it was called "Institutes of the Christian Religion" by John Calvin. Now that I know what Calvinism is, I praise God that as a young Christian at that time, and so hungry for the Word, I didn't eat on that one. I found God's Word was very satisfying on its own, and now spend a lot of time refuting Calvinism. It's one of the most dangerous doctrines in the Church. Here's what I know; THE CHURCH, the Body of Christ is built upon the foundation of Jesus death and resurrection. OUR VERY FOUNDATION who is Jesus Christ is our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life. That foundation is Romans 6. Our very union with Christ. THIS is missing in Calvinism as well as missing in all false teachings and counterfeit Christianity. Its missing in the Charismatic movement as well. They indulge the flesh WE CRUCIFY THE FLESH.
Our being raised up with Christ, the moment we are Born Again comes as a result of first being baptized into His death. We are crucified with Christ. This is NT GRACE.
They claim OT saints were born again WITHOUT THE CROSS. And NT saints are born again without the cross.
Calvin believed he would have to stand before a tribunal. So he could not have believed or understood the Blood of Jesus wasked away our sin but didn't wash away our old man. Our identification with Jesus in death crucified the old man. Romans 6. Without that foundation there is no change, no power to overcome. No resurrection power ***Philippians 3 to walk in newness of life.
What is one thing about Calvinism that you disagree with?
Thank you.
@ryleighloughty3307 I'm not sure where to start. But I will start with Genesis. When Adam and Eve sinned their conscience did not die. Romans 1-2 make that clear. Man seared his own conscience leading to the flood. However we have the verse that after Seth was born men began to call on the name of God.
And of course Noah was of Seth's lineage who's faith we read about in Genesis and Hebrews 11. So no, all humanity did not become Jeffrey Dommers at the fall. I also believe God's Word is living and powerful , stronger than Satan, stronger than man. That there are 2 blindings in scripture...one where Satan has blinded the minds of unbelievers , and the other where God blinded SOME of the branches of Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles come in. Calvinism exclusively uses the 2nd one here, totally rejecting that the Light of the Glory of the Gospel can open the eyes of those Satan has blinded. Paul was sent to open the eyes of those Satan blinded by preaching the Gospel.
Genesis 4:26
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
Abel dies, Cain and descendents are as Cain showed , rebellious against God's way of doing things even after God gave Cain a 2nd chance to do whst was right. That's grace. Grace us not having your name picked out of a hat winning some heavenly lotto. Faith also is not a work.
Romans 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
31:45 "How will God get glory for punishing people for something they have no control over?" - "It's a mystery" would be the correct Calvinist answer.
Thank you brother Flowers for all the work you do. Your clarity of explanation has helped me and my family immeasurably. May God bless you for truly bringing the Good News to many of us.
I wish Leighton would add a time stamp. 13:28 before he actually plays the video.
How do we contact this guy who called in?
I'm here looking through the comments to see if anyone says they know how. At a minute fifteen, Dr Flowers asks anyone to send him info if they know how to contact him. He calls himself Dr Bones. I hope someone can find him. I'll be praying for him.
Thank you, dear brother Leighton, for speaking the truth in love. May the Lord keep you.
These calvinists are so sneaky. I didn’t know this brother was Calvinist. Why do they hide behind analogies that don’t represent their actual beliefs?
Yes, the greatest deceit is they don’t preach the gospel the way they believe it.
Ie this is their Gospel:
“If you’re one of the elect chosen in eternity past ,God will grant the belief you need to believe that Jesus died for your sin and you will be saved, you will have no choice. If you’re not, then there’s no hope for you”.
Its not sneaky... its called being reformed. No one historically claimed to be "calvinist".
@@ricoparadiso I’m sorry. Reformed/calvanist. My point remains. They use analogies that do not represent their true beliefs and that is very sneaky.
@@ricoparadisoCalvinist is a misnomer that was given to Christians who believed in Predestination. Predestination is actually why the Catholic Church went on such a murderous rampage on them. Funny how these people side with that.
I appreciate how you make it so clear and simple. Thanks
21:17 Evanescent Grace is the Fly in the Calvinist's Ointment... It is indistinguishable from 'real' grace/faith and no one knows if the faith they think they have is sufficient and/or intended by God to last... it's impossible. Calvinists are literally 'dying' to find out if they're really, truly, saved and loved by God. And Satan laughs at his success in planting the seed of doubt in the mind of man, especially believers, that God can be trusted to love anybody.
“Satan laughs”, yes absolutely. Is Calvinism within true Christianity? I don’t know. Who is served by its lies? Satan. Who hopes people will doubt or question their salvation? Who wants people to think that Jesus’ death and resurrection might not be sufficient for them?
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Quite untrue. Scripture says if you believe in the Gospel then you are saved. Flowerism teaches you to doubt. Read the bible and believe you are saved.
@@ericbarnett3529 I'm not sure where you're coming from with that comment. Of course, scripture is clear that God saves those who are willing to believe... (whosoever). I've never had a moment of doubt regarding my salvation for over 50yrs. It is Calvinism which denies all men the ability to believe and respond positively to God and the Gospel from birth. Apart from God's effectual act none are able to believe. And this is only done to certain individuals he has pre-selected before they were even born. And, when it 'happens' they are unable to resist it. The claim is that regeneration (salvation) always precedes faith. Men are not saved because they believe, they can only believe because they are saved.
Do you affirm the basic beliefs represented by Calvinism regarding who, how, and why men are saved?
1:23:22 the beleif that God has unequal love is such a driving factor for legalism, performance based faith.
We all desperatly want to be loved. And to be loved by God. So to say he might not love you equally to someone else, presumably someone else whos a better christian. Then what a sad downward spiral into desperatly seeking to be in that special place of Gods love that will create for someone.
Even if that guy isnt meaning to say that, thats the result of someone who will hear, God doesnt love all people equally.
Leighton is laying out the truth, that can set you free! It amazes me that so many bible leaders who should know better will buy into Calvinism. I guess they stop reading too soon and only get a part of the teaching and walk away with misunderstandings. This may not send them to hell but I think it robs them of blessings.
Because they give more weight to calvinistic books than the bible.. they love calvinist philosophy.
1:37:46
Yes indeed. I’ve also used the counterargument of Luke 14:26:
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”
Like Dr. Leighton Flowers mentions, the correlating example in Luke, The word “hate” here doesn’t mean literal hatred or animosity. Rather, Jesus is emphasizing the cost of discipleship, using a form of hyperbole to stress that our love for Him must surpass all other loyalties. In comparison to our devotion to Christ, all other relationships, even the closest family bonds, should take a lower priority. In the cultural context, the word “hate” can imply loving less or being willing to sacrifice for the sake of Christ.
-You’re doing great work Dr. Leighton Flowers. Keep showing the true love of Christ through your wisdom, guidance, patience, and respectfulness.
It’s truly a blessing to witness to you giving a Christ like love to all.
God bless 🙏
Ryan seems keen for a conversation Leighton. Will you be willing to follow through with a dialogue?
Leighton, I think this may be one of your best !
Calvinism is so cringe
A guy with a fake Doctorate obsessing over Calvinism and misrepresenting it while supporting Open Theism is cringe.
@@sweethometreasures Flowerism is cringe
What is one thing about Calvinism that is 'cringe'?
Thank you.
Thank you Leighton for responding to this! ❤ God bless you
1:01:20 I'm pretty sure that the bible doesn't say that we choose God because He first chose us. It says we love God because He first loved us.
🎯In Calvinism men love God because he made them do it.
Same thing. His love is the cause of ours. No man in the flesh loves God.
@@castropianoforte It's not at all the same thing.
If we choose Him because he chose us then the ones who choose God are restricted to only the people God chose to choose.
If we love him because he loved us then the love of God which is expressed to the whole world allows for all people to choose God.
@@michaelnewswanger2409Is it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved?
Revelation 20:10 NKJV
[10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki Repent when? After the lake of fire? No.
Or do you mean it's possible as in every human has a free choice to accept or reject? Yes.
Ok I just have to say this brother Leighton, just like there comes a time in everyone’s life where they reach the age of accountability, there also comes a time when a person’s knowledge and study of the scriptures renders them accountable for what they teach. When you have theologians who’ve been studying the word of God for several decades, they’re scholars in the Greek & Hebrew languages, they’re scholars in early church and Jewish history there comes a time when there’s just no excuse for refusing to see the truth. Laymen in the congregation might have the excuse of ignorance but certainly not the pastors & preachers who’ve been studying theology for several decades. I know you’ve seen it with your own eyes that they intentionally omit and twist parts of scripture to cater them to their theology. I applaud you for your desire to promote unity but there has to be a point where we just have to say that some of these teachers just have no excuse for what they’re preaching. May God open their eyes and their hearts.
23:57 so they agree here. Calvinists still are urged to preach the word to everyone. The pre-selected number is true, but we can never know the number.
God has given the opportunity to all, but not all will accept. Basic concept.
Maybe Calvinism whats it to be like rocket science so they can look intellectual..
Calvinism perverted the bible.
Jesus died for our sins but not only our sins but for the sins of us.
(Necessary translation if 'world' means 'the Elect.')
That's how we know the Calvinist interpretation is wrong.
...and the reason the British Calvinist is so detached and unmoved by the tremendous grief he's causing his guest, just reveals exactly how he views God...Calvinists become like the harsh unloving God they have created!
100%
What if there is an option that leaves everyone scratching their heads. What if we are arguing the wrong points and asking the wrong questions?
keep fighting for the faith
My heart is so heavy for those in Calvinism. I broke down crying during worship today as we sang, "I have decided to follow Jesus no turning back." We did not sing that at the Reformed church my family just left where we were members for seven years. It makes me cry every time. 😢
What is one thing about Calvinism that you struggle with?
@@ryleighloughty3307 I can't pick just one. There are six things I struggle with about Calvinism. T.U.L.I.P. and Exhaustive Determinism.
I love that song, and have lived to feel the truth of it.
I am appalled at how Calvinism misrepresents God and the Gospel.
@@caseyjacobs3629
Do you believe that God is in control over all things or that he leaves certain things in the power of man?
Thank you.
@@ingela_injeela
Please give me three examples of how Calvinism "misrepresents God and the Gospel".
Thank you.
The only way I could have any peace and keep the faith if I was persuaded, or maybe I should say deceived, into believing Calvinism, is to have a very cold heart that didn't care about the majority of people and to say to myself God is sovereign and has the right to create people for the sake of His glory by predestining them for Hell.
Has Leighton ever adddessed Lamentations 3:37,38?? Wondering how these verses can be interpreted biblically.. Thanks!
37 Who has spoken and it came to pass,
unless the Lord has commanded it?
38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High
that good and bad come?
Sounds like this is talking about prophecies, whether about blessings or curses. If God says a plague will happen, it’ll happen. If a false prophet says it’ll happen, it won’t.
I pray that poor boy will watch this and reach out to you. Its so sad hes so sad and confused and listening to this guy expecting he will have all the answers
I really love your attitude, Brother - and your summary of the Gospel and the love of God.
Please do a debate with Ryan
Hey does Dr Flowers has a book with all his content through those years ? IT would be awesome
The Potter's Promise, God's Provision for all.
Great work providing sound biblical grounding for the idea that Reformed/calvinism is not the only biblical option!
Amen , calvinism corruptly portrays GOD and HIS justness and it's tenants accuse HIM of being deceitful and the very cause of sin
I'd be cautious about saying God can't deceive someone. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12, 1 Kings 22:22-23, and especially Ezekiel 14:9 seem clear that he can. We can be certain that if God does something it is just and right even if it wouldn't be if we did it.
@CecilSpurlockJr. Egads, you're so twisted in your thinking. Ehat church/denomination do you attend..if any?
@jeremywolffbrandt7488 I'm always very careful when speaking of my GOD . Also, never once did I say that GOD can't deceive someone. You of course implied that I did but it's plain to see that I didn't.
@@CecilSpurlockJr. You said calvinists accuse God of "being deceitful" besides being the cause of sin. Is it not "being deceitful" to deceive people?
@jeremywolffbrandt7488 I know what I said and as I've already told you once , I never once said that GOD can't deceive someone. So, you believe when CHRIST stated John 3:16 that HE was deceiving some and not others ? I ask because you're advocating for the idea that GOD is deceitful after all , while taking what I stated about it completely out of the context in which I said it which speaks a lot actually.
Leighton, please, please, please try to contact "Mr. Bones" and have a conversation with him! It breaks my heart and makes me angry that he is being mid-led into further confusion!
Something dawned on me while watching this video. If God is the embodiment of love and we’re supposed to love our wives as Christ loves the church and our neighbors as ourselves. Why wouldn’t God love everyone like that? Cause our neighbors can be unbelievers too, he doesn’t say love your neighbor as yourself “if they’re believers”. And I know that it says as Christ loves the “Church “ but that’s besides the point. Anyways, I don’t think God would expect us to love people differently than he does and hold us to a higher standard. That being said loving someone isn’t damning them to an eternity in hell fire. Also, I’m not saying that God doesn’t have a special love for believers because he does. Thanks God Bless!
Agreed brother! I think we can know God is good, that he has to judge sin because he is perfectly just but that he gives everyone and opportunity to be saved because he is perfectly loving. ❤️ some folks won’t accept the opportunity based solely on their own free will choice but praise God we have chosen to accept his gift.
Leighton will forever have my and my wife's thanks for helping us begin our journey out of calvinism, but you all have got to keep going. All the way back to the ancient church. All the way back to Orthodoxy. Before the reformation reacting to Catholic innovations, before the great schism when the Patriarch of Rome left the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and descended into heresy- ask all the hard questions, but listen to the answers. Read the scriptures with the eyes of the Apostles. Read the Didache and the Apostolic Fathers. And pray with the upmost humility that God would show you where the fullness of the faith resides. It took us 3 years in total to embrace the Orthodox faith, but nothing could ever convince us to go back. Father Josiah Trenham, Father Spyridon Bailey, Father Turbo Qualls, Father John Peck, Father John Whiteford, and many others, have devoted themselves to helping bring all of us who profess Christ, as best we know how, home.
Edited to add: Seraphim Hamilton and Father Stephen DeYoung as well. And anything available in book or recorded form from Father Seraphim Rose.
@@jimlbunch call no man father
Can you link to this video and the timestamp?
Calvanism has become a thorn in my side. Calvanist love it bc it makes them feel good. They believe with their whole heart that they must be the chosen ones, and that makes me feel really good. They are special. But this poor guy who is struggling to grasp this concept bc it makes no sense and it’s heartbreaking. I have been struggling with this too since attending a church that I thought was Baptist but the pastor was very slowly teaching calvanism. I was completely thrown we he taught about tulip.
Wednesday nights were saved to learn about people like Augustine and Martin Luther.
An important study that all believers must look into is God's anger. The Bible teaches that God is most angry with is those who teach false doctrines and lies about God, hence we who teach will be judged more strictly. We can lead believers into freedom or bondage.
I have debated this channel a lot and I’m shocked at what we disagree on. Every time we discuss a topic I get answers that are not in scripture and seems to be from a book and now that I know they’re Calvinist’s, it makes a lot of sense.
All I want to know is when calvinists preach the gosple to unbeliver will they say "God Love you" b/c may be he don't. I think this is what they should say "maybe God loves you "
Oh this kid
Hes pretty good when it comes from shaking catholics out of trees but i detected calvin in him
Unfortunate
y'all like to ban people by giving them a label that they don't even call themselves as it is. shame.
Grace and peace from Christ to you brother, thank you for the content!!
What are some good non Calvinist preachers to listen to UA-cam. Sometimes I just want to listen to a sermon but only Calvinist preachers pop up.
Always excellent!!
I must admit, when I come to observe an argument, I am a bit skeptical of anyone that is so focused on one thing (Calvinism and it's errors) to the exclusion of all else and spends such an inordinate amount of time in emotionally striving to disprove it. When obvious anger regarding Calvinism (who hurt you this badly with the teaching, anyway?) is placed against more irenic, measured, unemotional theologians defending the opposite viewpoint, I must say that one would be led to believe that the other "side" is the correct one.
Calvinism is hurtful because God is loving, merciful and just. The god of Calvinism is completely different. A god that would create someone specifically for damnation sounds horrid especially seeing that according to calvinists they can’t even choose good or evil and worst yet they cannot choose to believe God. What sort of god is that?
No one becomes a calvanist by reading God's word, you have to be taught to see it in the text.
Is it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved?
Revelation 20:10 NKJV
[10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Go and read Romans 9 and then come back and say where you have to 'be taught' to see Calvinism.😊
I'll be praying that this young man sees this video and makes contact with Leighton for help with his struggles, or at least listens to Scripture presented in context on Soteriology 101. Perhaps if this video was widely circulated on FB it might eventually reach this young man who's battling so much with legitimate questions about an illogical Calvinistic interpretation? I'll be praying about whether to post on FB. Maybe others will pray the same? Xx
wao Jesus I feel so sorry for this young man.
Leighton, I wish I would just hear you clarify once and for all that we are condemned BOTH because of rejecting the light available to us AND because of accepting to work evil deeds--as one action. John 3:19-20.
This is heartbreaking.
45:40 you argue for a minimalistic saving faith. I don't disagree. I do wonder what exactly was enough saving faith in the OT? Merely the belief that God would send a redeemer? Assurance is only possible based on a clear promise.
Assurance is still not possible. The problem is salvation is not a one-time moment, it is a process. This is how every Christian before Martin Luther understood "salvation." It's not a legal status, either. Salvation is the process of actually becoming righteous, like Christ. It's not something that happens instantly, and it's not a status that is credited to you by fiat. It is an actual, reql righteousness that is worked in the believer. Martin Luther was the first man to challenge this belief. I don't know about you, but I will not follow one man.
"Justification" also refers to a process.
@@EpistemicAnthonyHow can you explain it’s not credited to you instantly using Romans 4:5? How does your belief in your ungodly being justified by Christ become a process?
@IT-SaacStudios It comes down to how you define the word "faith" in this case. Martin Luther defined understood faith as being a mental assent. It can also be understood as "trust." Suppose you tell a martial arts instructor that you want to become a blackbelt. He says "trust me, and you will become a black belt." When he uses the word "trust" here, we know that he is not saying "have mental assent, and when you do make that mental step, you will instantly become a black belt." What he means by "trust" is "obey my instructions, and you will eventually become a black belt."
Now, let's factor in works. If he said "you will become a black belt by trusting me, not by your own actions," what that would mean is "you will not become a black belt by trying really hard on your own. You need my instruction to make it happen."
So in this case, we would interpret this verse as "those who trust God to conform them to His standard rather than thinking they can do it on their own without Him are the ones who are seen to be right."
@ You still haven’t really answered my question. I asked how this verse Romans 4:5 can be interpreted as a continuous growing faith. And if it can be, I have no idea how this works. Do you have to grow in belief to get Jesus to justify more of your ungodly? Because it’s a very easy thing to learn that Jesus died for all sin. Does your faith get continuously counted for righteousness?
Not only that, but your former analogy sounds exactly like when the people looked at the metal serpent to get all their snake bites healed, and how Jesus continuously healed others instantly by touching them and speaking and them touching his garment. I thought the whole point of Jesus’s power is that he’ll save anyone in an instant bit. And our faith is waiting patiently for his return. Sure, we’re given duties to train in his word, never to get saved tho, but to spread the light and the news.
@IT-SaacStudios Here's a FB post I just made about this topic that should answer your question:
Two views on the Gospel:
For ancient Christians, the Gospel referred to the message that Christ's *resurrection* had saved all people from Hades, the state of near-non-existence after death. Now all people go to be with God when they die. However, standing in God's presence is not easy (Isaiah 6:1-6) because God is a consuming fire. Those who love evil will hate being exposed to His perfect goodness. Those who love good will feel His presence as paradise. "Hell" refers to being in the presence of God with an impure heart. "Heaven" refers to being there with a pure heart. The problem for mankind, then, is that we must be transformed so that we love goodness and hate evil. This process by which we are actually transformed into more righteous people is called "salvation."
Thus, statements in scripture like "you are made righteous by faith" are understood to mean "you are transformed into a more righteous individual by trusting God's instructions." To say this is "not done by works" does not mean no physical actions are involved. Rather, it means it is only by trusting God can we make this happen; it is not going to happen from us just trying really hard on our own.
When you are typing a document on the computer, you must choose the "justification" of the letters. Do you want them justified to the left, center, or right? To say "you are justified by faith" means "you are conformed to God's standard by trusting His instructions." We are the letters on the page, and by trusting in Christ's instructions, we will be justified to Christ, just as the words are justified to the left or right. With this, we will be able to stand in God's presence without feeling tormented by His goodness.
Now to a second view:
In the Reformation, Martin Luther understood many of these terms differently. For Him, following Roman Catholicism, mankind due to Adam was legally guilty because Adam sinned. Thus, we all need punishment for this crime in hell, an eternal prison/torture chamber. In order to be freed from this legal sentence, Christ came to Earth to take the legal punishment we were sentenced to. Through Christ's *death* on the cross, our sin-debt is paid. Martin Luther understood "faith" to not be referring to "trust," but rather to the intellectual position a person has about Christ. (Over time, this would become amplified in Protestant theology to mean "convinced," leading to a great emphasis on head-knowledge.)
"Justification" became re-interpreted to refer to a legal not-guilty verdict, rather than an actual changing of the individual to conform to God's standard. "Justified by faith, not by works" in Luther's view therefore means "you are declared not-guilty when you reach the proper mental position towards Christ; you do not earn this not-guilty verdict through any physical action."
Over time, Luther's view of the gospel was taught to people under Luther and throughout Europe. Many of these people went to America during the colonization era. People being taught this view of the gospel thus believed that it was the clear teaching of the scriptures, because they had been taught Luther's definitions of these terms. All the while, they were unaware of the way Luther had (unintentionally) redefined and reinterpreted these passages, leading all American non-Roman-Catholic Christians to believe that this "not guilty verdict through agreement with Christ's sacrifice" was the clear gospel taught in scripture.
I WISH Leighton would've explained what it meant "the Lord seeth his day coming and will laugh." How about in Proverbs 1 where Wisdom (who is CHRIST in the New Testament) will laugh at the calamity of those who didn't listen, and will even refuse to save them when they finally call on Him?
So Leighton, are Mormon saved because they believe false doctrine? Just a real question to ponder
Thank you for proving my point about Calvinists.
I hope that guy sees this video. I felt so bad for him.
Last question…where does the salvation process start is it through our choice or the work of God in us? Where does it start?
Thank you for your work
A lot of this video is:
Step 1: *Plays a tiny part of what Ryan says*
Step 2: Leighton then argues against what he thinks Calvinists believe even though Ryan didn’t say what Leighton is responding to.
Step 3: Repeat
But I was surprised to hear Leighton at around 46 minutes teaching that a person today doesn’t need to hear about Jesus to be saved, just to have faith in whatever light they have.
So if a person only hears about Islam (not Christianity) and has faith in the God of Islam and follows that religion exclusively, they are saved?
You're the one misrepresenting him here. He said one isn't saved on account of the knowledge they received, rather their trust in the finished work of Christ. You on the other hand have the problem. If God predestined people to damnation and paradise before creation, then you don't have to spread the gospel because that's a futile attempt. It's no different from allah in islam. He chooses who he wills and damns who he wills. So I wonder what you're preaching to Muslims when you don't even know if your God has damned that person from the foundations of the earth.
Need I forget, Augustine, the founder of calvanism says unbaptised babies are damned to hell.
@NeedGodnet you ban people from your chat that are friendly towards you, only because they merely ask if you are calvinist, in order so they can have clarity in what you teach.
You are a dishonest deciever. Calvinists wreck peoples faith. Alot of people are looking for a God who is Love. But you do not teach a God like that. And you misrepresent God, and teach that he is something else.
And when people like me leave new age and other religions and turn to the bible as the ONLY HOPE, only to listen to people like you tell us "no hope here either" since you make God no better than Satan, it makes us question the God of the Bible.
And I would try to be nice to you, but that is not what you want. You want to be a little cultist who is so scared of just an innocent question.
I think you know what you teach is evil or you wouldn't be so sensitive and quick to ban someone for MERELY JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
It's disgusting how you treated that caller. I can relate because I had no idea the church I was going to was teaching calvinism and as a person trying to learn, I was losing my mind.
And there you are, pushing this guy over the edge.
Can God and his commandments communicate with people through book only?
you are not a calvinist. you are a agustininian
I'm so blessed by God to have never bought into the despicable heresies of Calvinism and Arminianism. God is good all the time!
30:25 it is telling that when Jesus had the option to stay with the Father in glory, or to be with us on earth without glory, he chose the second option. Because Jesus loved the Father and us more than he loved his glory.
I truly hope that Dr. Bones reaches out to you. Some of us have left a comment on the video you are responding to asking him to reach out to you.
Great practical idea!!
The thought that calvinists essentially believe that God decides who loves him is appalling.
Why? Or don't you want your "God" to decide anything?
@@castropianoforte love given freely is true love. Compelled love is not.
@@bethanywolfe5065Is it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved?
Revelation 20:10 NKJV
[10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Leighton my brother, I bless you for what you are doing. It is just so painful to listen to that other brother there misrepresent God. At least there are voices that openly address that, and give people a Gospel answer (Calvinism isn't Biblical).
Doctrines of men have run rampant since before Moses died on Mount Nebo. It is, in fact, a symptom of the 'logical and 'intellectual' bent of Christianity that has either forgotten or outright denies the efficacy of the Holy Spirit to lead you 'into all truth' If all sought-then followed-the Holy Spirit, then there would not be this division. Unfortunately too many value their own reasoning above the truth given by the Spirit of God.
It isn't "one-upping" to tell someone they are believing a false Christ.
@30:00 We should start explaining all calvanist doctrines in terms of a puppeteer and his puppets.
At 1:01:20 Leighton himself clearly says the tulip god is not the true God of the bible. My question to Leighton than is how sir do you refer to them as brothers and sisters in Christ. If calvanists are brothers and sisters in Christ than we should also refer to jws mormons in the same way because after all they claim to worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob...hmmm makes no sense
False equivalence fallacy
Calvinism is by far the most deadly doctrine that is JUST OUTSIDE of the salvation issue. Yes, I believe Calvinists can be saved. Unlike liberal christians or universalists, or relativists, or many other so called Christians who clearly compromised on the Gospel itself and no longer believe even the most basic soteriology - that you must repent and trust Jesus to be saved. But even though Calvinists do not quite cross that line most of the time, they are still so far gone it's absolutely scary to me, thinking that so many Christians fell for this. One of the core reasons is this - Calvinism is the most powerful fodder for leaving faith altogether that we allow into our Orthodoxy. So many people struggle with the question of evil in the world. And Calvinists have the WORST ANSWER possible for that question. Because they believe God did not die for everyone, but instead created evil himself, and wishes evil upon completely innocent people, like the reprobate children, all the time.
Calvinism is very close to that line because it can easily lead to a works based salvation. The person asking questions in the video has no assurance. It’s so sad. The only thing he will have for assurance after this talk is reliant on his own mind and thoughts and emotions instead of GODS WORD.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13 KJV
God wants us to KNOW.
@@VictorRestoIs it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved?
Revelation 20:10 NKJV
[10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki The Bible already tells us what they are going to do which is reject Jesus so I am not sure what you are getting at with this question.
@@VictorResto So they have no possibility to repent?
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki If the Bible did not already say that they won't then yes.
Calvinism in of itself doesn't fail. it's taking things to the extreme, which does.
This is why even respected theologians like Sproule have said all of us have some errors in our doctrine.
The bottom line is, as long as you are straight on primary issues such as who GOD is and how HE gives us salvation, then you're ok.
Even a posh accent can't make that wicked set of doctrines sound good. I see a young brother looking at the Bible, seeing what it clearly teaches and this guy (accent and all) trying to convince him that God DOESN'T love his creation, that God DOESN'T seek the salvation of the lost and he just ignores the man in tears to keep pushing this poison on him. At least John Piper would have stopped pushing and just let the young man believe in something other than Calvinism...
he has an Australian accent. I don't think that's posh all that much
@@cunjoz Dr. Flowers seems to think it is!😉
I have no idea how you leighton stay so calm. It so upsetting to me, that poor guy was heartbroken and devastated, I have no idea how he ended up at that guys channel. The calvinists lack compassion, they are so proud in their “salvation” that they treat people like less than. It’s evil. They try to annihilate Gods character. My God is a just God, not evil. My God has no evil in Him: their god sound like satan
And in John 6:45, what very important word that comes before “learned” that explains what must happen to every potential believer before the learned part even comes into play?
The drawing of the Father/giving from the Father does not refer to predestination. It refers to people learning from the OT prophets. When someone learns from the OT and therefore rightly recognizes Christ, that is the Father "giving"/"drawing" them to Christ. That's how everyone before Calvin interpreted these passages.
The land where I live is ruled by King Charles III. He is the sovereign of my country. I know that he doesn't have the powers somo of his forebears did, but I know of no earthly sovereign that irresistably controlled the lives of his subjects. They were sovereign in the sense that there are consequences for anyone who steps out of line. Similarly, God’s sovereignty is not that of irresistability.
God bless you and your ministry, Leighton.
Awesome video!
Would like to see "Smartchristian " 27:13 answer this because he is taking the worst of Calvin's teachings. I really want he to be saved from this because I liked him as a teacher.
I think Leighton way over complicates Reformed Theology. Ryan explains it as simply; "do you believe in Christ? If you believe Christ has paid for your sins then you are of the predestined". That's not complicated at all to understand. There's so much extra words by Leighton being used here and it's really very simple.
Reformed theology is complicated because within them there are complication.. like calvinism, hypre, 1 to 5 points..etc.
What you say is not complicated... but how you believe? Is it freewill? Or God ordained or predestined you to believe?
Calvinists complicate the gospel and scripture
Good word as always, brother. That word "patience" implies God is waiting and hoping for them to repent. That makes no sense if He causes them to never be able to repent, or why is He being patient?
This goes right along with 2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Keep telling the truth.
GO TELL! ☝️
Is it possible for the beast and false prophet to repent and believe the gospel so as to be saved?
Revelation 20:10 NKJV
[10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki if they are human beings, yes. All people can repent and believe the gospel. But apparently God is letting us in on their future and they will not.
Just because God knows their choices does not necessitate they He wills or causes their choices.
Just as Judas had complete free will not to do what He did, God knowing what he would do prophesied about his decisions he would make. That did not take away from his being able to choose to do the opposite.
For God to know what Judas would choose, there had to be the opportunity given him in order to make a choice. He had plenty of opportunities to get saved being with Jesus daily. But scripture says he was stealing all along, being the treasurer of the group. He was not lost because God made him stay that way, he was lost by his own choice. And God knew what he would do.
Just as he knows what the beast and false prophet will do. We cannot fully understand by experience the foreknowledge of God, but it is clearly taught that God knows, but does not cause everything or our choices. Or else love would not exist, sin would be God's fault, hell would be unjust, and on and on would the character of God be damaged and mocked. Lord bless. ☝️🙏
@mickknight6963 IF they are human beings? They ARE human beings. And no, they do not have a chance to repent. Their eternal destinies were predetermined before they were born. God gave us this revelation in His word. That's how we know. I can tell you ahead of time what they will do prior to their deaths. Should I read Revelation 13 to you? They WILL do those actions. They are not free to do otherwise. Sure, when that time comes there will be a choice, but what they choose is predetermined. Just because what they choose is predetermined doesn't mean there wasn't a choice. It just means they aren't free to do other than what God foreknows they will do and where they will end up(perdition). God's foreknowledge is deterministic. The reason it doesn't make him the author of evil is BECAUSE HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE AND PREDESTINATION IS ACCORDING TO TRUTH. There is no evil in truth. Truth is pure and always right. God's truth contains no evil. Therefore, He can and does predestine souls to eternal life or eternal condemnation according to His will, not according to man's will.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki no God knowing does not necessitate his causing at all. Our God is much bigger, more powerful than that. He does not have to cause to know. He knows because He is God. In His sovereignty He has created free will creatures to govern our own choices. In other words when someone chooses to reject Christ and go to hell, they really could have chosen differently.
@@ChristIsKing777-hr9ki and sure they could repent. But God knows tgey will not. Not because He predetermined them not to, but because they freely choose not to. And God, being God, knows that, not because He wanted that. You are confusing what happens with God's will. God does not will all that happens, such as when anyone goes to hell. And when you sin every day. God never wills any of them.
could someone please explain to me why dr flowers calls people who deny john 3:16, deny christs atonement and love for most people AND who blame God for all sin and evil "brothers"? how can you be a christian and deny john 3:16 and many other verses and be a christian? can I reject lots of the new testiment and still be a christian? if so we MUST also consider catholics, the pope, mormans, and eastern orthodox as christians as well.
Yes, especially the ones actually teaching and preaching these doctrines that serve only the devil. Teaching and preaching these doctrines to believers who then often want to turn away God.
Question for Calvinists: when an unsaved person faces judgement, does he then learn God chose to send him to hell from eternity past, or does he spend eternity in hell never knowing why?
@@drjcw what a loaded question. No Calvinist says God chose people to etetnal damnation, just that they are passed over.
Calvin himself believed they were actively chosen for reprobation and damnation. Also the “passing over” distinction isn’t a real one because according to Calvinism, God determined everything, ensuring that they would be damned.
@@thercmaniac7752 you need to actually read some reformed people on this subject. I do not recall Calvin ever saying they were actively chosen for damnation.
@@SirMicahBrochIf someone looked up the exact Calvin quotation, would you then leave the heresy or would you continue where you are at?
@@drjcw non-sequiter. Besides, Calvin never said that.
Difference between me and a calvanist, someone asked hiw did you get to heaven calvanist says god chose me, I say christ died for me
Thanks Leighton.
In this video you kept saying “Calvinists say this or that”, but many of those things were NOT things I said in the video nor have ever said. In fact, I don’t label myself as a Calvinist, since those kinds of labels I find create confusion and often are unhelpful.
So rather than classing me as something I don’t claim to be, why not actually have a conversation with me whenever we do viewer chats if you want to know what I believe?
People don’t end up in hell because of something outside their control, people end up in hell for their own sin that they have chosen to do. And that’s completely just.
In all honesty - you may not label yourself that but your expressed doctrine really lines up with it.
For example, in your conversation with Catholic Answers, it really seemed like standard conversation between a Catholic and a Calvinist and it was really hard to watch in both episodes.
Yeah, nah. You're a calvinist. You're a "I'm not a calvinist, but ..." type of calvinist. If you walk like a duck and quack like a duck you are a duck.
@@LindsayJackel I'm rethinking my comment: it may be that NeedGod is not a 5-point Calvinist. It seems at the very least that he does not believe in Limited Atonement, which is a good thing. So in this sense, we may have misunderstood him based on the other points of Calvinism that he does believe in - wrongfully assuming that he believes in them all - for which we apologize if that's the case.
However, I do believe that one cannot hold to any of the points of Calvinism without (logically) approving all the other points. In this sense then, most of us have been there before.
@@emmanuelmakoba6085 If you watch the video, you will see that I simply quoted Scripture, not any theologians. Leighton spent a long time arguing about things I didn't speak about in the conversation.
And then Leighton made the claim at 1 hr 22 mins that God sending rain and sunshine on people isn't God loving people. Really? That is literally what Jesus says is a demonstration of God's love toward everyone and a basis of why we should love.
Matthew 5:43-45 - "But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?"
^ Clearly God sending rain and sun on everyone is God showing his love.
You're the one misrepresenting him here. He said one isn't saved on account of the knowledge they received, rather their trust in the finished work of Christ. You on the other hand have the problem. If God predestined people to damnation and paradise before creation, then you don't have to spread the gospel because that's a futile attempt. It's no different from allah in islam. He chooses who he wills and damns who he wills.
It is in fact a lie to pretend and use the words “everyone has already made the choice to reject God” if nobody had the ability to do otherwise. It is a flat out contradiction in terms and a lie.
Ryan told Dr. Bones that God is loving the reprobates by sending rains, sunshine, etc..., but God would still judge them for destruction because of the nature that they have no control over.. Is that really love?? Is that really grace? The question is why would God show them love and grace (ie. rains, sunshine, breathe, strength, life, and all the good things) and not elect them and give them the irresistible grace? What's the purpose of showing and giving the reprobates the "common grace"? It's like God is treating the "reprobates" as animals. Farmers give "love" and "grace" to their cows, pigs, and chickens so that one day, they will be put to death because of their nature these animals have no control over.
Again, what's the purpose of God showing and giving people (ie reprobates) the "common grace"? I believe this is where 2 Peter 3:9 applies.
Hi. Can i expect you to make a video on the sad case of Steve Lawson?? because this really exposes their doctrine, isn't it? According to this doctrine did God determine for SL to live in sin and keep preachings? Did God determine for that church to be deceived and to live in deception for his glory? Serious questions to be answered.
This is crazy….question…if I have a choice then don’t I then have a reason to boast if I can choose to accept the effectual grace of God?
Why would anyone boast about accepting a free gift?
No. Because you are a person who still needed the grace. It would be like a homeless person boasting that they reached out to accept charity. It's not something that a person in Paul's culture would've considered boast-worthy.
15:00 it’s not a counter point if the dude hasn’t even made his point yet.
1 John 3:17 says, “But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?”
If irresistible grace is true and we have no ability to respond to God appropriately because of the nature He determined we would be born with and He has the ability to help us, but chooses not to, that seems very clearly to be unloving based on the definition of God’s love given to us by John in the verse above.
“But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?”
It doesn't. Now what was the problem?
@@castropianoforte It isn't clear to me if you are posting your comment in agreement with me, challenging me or unsure what I was trying to say so hopefully I respond appropriately.
To answer your question, the problem is the love of God, the kind of love that helps another when it is in their power to do so, doesn't abide in the person who fails to help their brother, but instead, chooses to close their heart against them. Their lack of His love abiding in them is what leads them to fail to provide the help they would have provided had they had His love abiding in them. In other words, they fail to do the loving thing.
God, on the other hand, who is love, doesn't fail to help anyone. He genuinely desires all to be saved from their sin and death which is a consequence of sin and yet some choose to resist His efforts. What a wonderful and merciful Creator and Savior we have.
"Brother in Christ"?
Where is that in Scripture?
It's the many called few chosen scripture that
Makes it limited
However whosever will may come the parable of the wedding feast and the one ousted because no wedding
Garment which indicates
Wasn't washed in the blood
Of the Lamb!
God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9!
God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined!
Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1!
Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright !
So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says !
Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue.
So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8!
But if you’re a Calvinist, it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“!
Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try!
Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross!
Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the world, but he only had to die one time Says hebrews, so don’t get it wrong like Moses; when did Jesus die ?
So this trumps predestination before the foundations of the world, because God chose to to write this to disprove & trump predestination!
Revelation 13:8
Oh no! How will a Calvinst respond to this passages? Read a commentary dude.
@sirmicahbrock There is absolutely no need to be condescending. Pray for love and compassion towards God's children.
@@SirMicahBroch respond to 13 verses, I mentioned or surrender!
@@SirMicahBroch try mentioning some Bible verses like the 13 that I did & counter them or surrender to the truth!