The lack of the V8 as an option is why the new Tundra is out of consideration for me. Had Toyota put a 10 speed transmission to the existing 5.7 engine, that would have been the right move to most of the Tundra’s customer base.
if i keep my 21 tundra around 1800rpm the computer shows im getting 20 and up. but get over 60 and thats when it gets bad mpg. id love a 10speed in my 21
As a person who owns turbo things for my fun cars, I can say I will never own a turbo anything for a daily driver. Twin turbo v6 will never last anywhere near as long as a good ol Toyota v8 na
I generally feel the same way. But something I haven’t considered until recently is that these cars have millions of dollars spent to matching the turbos to the power train, and they aren’t pushing crazy boost. This will be much more reliable that the dude at your local performance shop slapping on a turbo for a few grand
Yeah, I have an 03 Tundra and an 07 Tundra - both SR5 4x4’s that I purchased new. I love them both but I have to give my 03 the edge because it’s more fun to drive off road. The 03 is a perfectly sized fun truck. Also, I hate the 22 Tundra - it a swing and a miss in my book. Spent some time with one recently, what a disappointment. Not for me, I’ll keep the trucks I already have.
Recently I found a 30K mile doublecab 5.7 V8 Tundra. Look,feel and drive like new. I test drove the 22 DC Tundra as well. The back seats are basically unusable on the new DC compared to mine. Payload was 60lbs more on the 22 and towing was 900lbs more but bed looked more shallow on the 22'. For someone that will be using it for work often. Wants to avoid downtime for repairs and sometimes carry 4-5 adults I'd say the V8 DC is better choice than the 22'. Last the price difference was $20K. I'll stick with a bit less fuel efficient truck and less electronics instead of paying $20K more for basically 900lbs difference towing.
Yeah I just picked up my 07 Tundra CrewMax an to know ima turn that key every time and have a big reliable truck when i need it is a feeling you can’t beat 💪🏼
Just an FYI Dave you didn’t lose the solid axle in the back of the new Tundra all you did was change from leaf springs to coil springs. You still have a solid rear axle out back.
Serious car reviewers should know this. Makes you believe these guys have no idea what they are talking about. When i heard that comment, I stopped watching.
The dude clearly misspoke. He was talking about suspension components before and after that statement. Talking to a camera and talking out loud are very different things. I misspeak all the time on camera and have to fix it in editing. Maybe they just didn't catch it.
I agree with you Dave, i own a 2011 Superduty with a 6.7 that i bought new, it's been such a solide reliable truck & man seeing the price tag of the new one compare to what i paid for mine, i mean, i can't justify the cost of a new one. It's not twice the truck & it still does everything i need it to do so why replaced a solide working machine. Sure they do have all those new fancy tech but at the end of the day it still does what need to be done.
What are the other benefits that you see older 2020 Tundra has over the new Tundra?! The reason I am asking is that everybody is praising the newer model while saying tins of crap about the previous gen.
Yes. I was just going to comment the same. It's not a fully independent rear suspension. It still has a live axle, but with multi-link coil spring suspension.
$56k without markup…likely $66k the way dealer want them for nowadays! $72k( with taxes n fee) for a workhorse?! no thanks! i take $15k old v8 all day…plus it’s a toyota…million miles truck!
@@quinton8312 : I still have my 1st generation '02 Tundra that I bought new in '02 (22 yrs. ago soon). The frame isn't rusty at all. It really depends where you live.
Man, DP's almost 2min one take, silky smooth intros and outros were so good. Respect for that! And as a previous 2002 Tundra owner with the 4.7L, it was the best run around, no problem truck you could buy. The downside was it was a tweener truck - not quite full half ton and just a bit heavier duty than a Tacoma. It definitely worked hard towing a car but daily driving around town and running normal errands (average DIY repair, home owner type loads) it was phenomenal. Let's just ignore the inherent ball joint and frame rust issues that generation suffered. I can only imagine how the 5.7L and upgrades to the 2008 would have filled all those gaps...and then how the 2022 must have improved upon those. Would have loved to see the underside and that multi-link of the new truck on the lift. Also was curious to see a back seat room comparison to see how car seats fit back there (and if the kids would be kicking the back of the seat).
My 08 has 780.000 miles only issue was bad o2 sensor and starter . I change oil every 8000 miles , and do the dof oil every 80k. Tow a 7000 lbs travel trailer , every month. 8-9 mpg 65mph
I just bought a 2011 with 160xxxkm in really good shape for 18900 Canadian today! It's my first truck and I'm super excited to put it to work! Hoping I get the same reliability as you guys! Thanks for this video! Cheers from Nova Scotia!
Hello to all I have a 2007 tundra 5.7l with 180k miles. I tow my 22 ft fishing every summer. The power train of this vehicle is solid. I love my old truck. Liked your video thanks.
I have a 2011 SR5 that just turned 153,000 miles. Paid off, lifted 2.5 inches, mud tires (kills mileage, but I will never get stuck), 15 MPG on the highway. So should I spend $60k plus sales tax to replace it, or realize it is just broken in and ready to run another 250,000 or more? Easy answer-keep the big V-8, and all the smiles it brings.
Love the content, guys! I've got a 2021 Tundra (SR5 w/TRD off-road package) because of its reputation for reliability and the sound of the 5.7L V8 -- my first V8 ever, my last car was a 2007 Honda Fit haha. Purchased it last September and I love the damn thing so much, even if it's a pig on gas ($6.25/gallon in SoCal right now). The dealership my broker and I worked with to buy my truck just offered me 5k more than I purchased it for -- even offered a straight trade for a 2022 In similar trim if I was willing to wait until spring/summer for delivery. I appreciated the offer but I think I'll stick with the v8.
@@watchmanexpert over the course of 12k miles my average tank is 13.5mpg - 60/40 city/hwy driving on California gas. Best tank was 18mpg of pure highway driving going from LA county to Big Bear Lake with a bed full of luggage, snow boards and gear, alcohol (lots), and a weekend’s worth of groceries. If you’re planning on keeping the Tundra and driving it until the wheels fall off (from rust) then it’s worth the trade off for reliability. If you decide to trade or sell it in
I am watching your Tundra videos because I just bought a 2011 with 345 000 km on it and it has NOTHING wrong with it. No oil consumption nothing. Super happy with the crazy deal I got and watching your videos to learn more on it. I plan on keeping it for at least another 100k - 200k km.
309km on my 08 and still running like a top. very tempted to upgrade to a 018-21 for the finer finishes and tech. Just so hard to part with a truck that performs whenever you need it to. V6 turbo no thanks.
Agree with ya!! My 03 has almost 200 km I’m keeping her forever, to wanna get a 21 in the next two years tho. So annoyed when they announced no v8, hopefully the iforce max will hold up, who knows.
Is it just me or does the last gen Tundra design look a bit better? This is fully subjective and your opinion may differ but I think the huge front grill extending down trough the front bumper is a bit overkill. And the small recessed headlights are weird. Id like it more if it looked like a Tacoma or 4Runner.
This new generation Tundra is so butt-ugly, i wont be buying one. Ive owned two tacomas, and two tundras, and hope to keep my current one as long as i can, but the new style is a turnoff. May go to Big 3 in the future.
@@thomasdean5651 I agree, but am in the Toyota family, and will remain. I wonder how many more years it will take my 2011 to die before I am forced to look at the new model? I wonder what the 2035 Tundra is going to look like?
Went from a 17 ram 5.7 to a 21 ram with a 5.7 I wanted a Warlock but I the numbers didn't work out but for 130 dollars more a month its so much better I love the touch screen and back up camara and it drives and tows like a dream. Had to rescue my dad and his challenger from Indiana after he hit a deer drove it a thousand miles there and back towing his car it still avaraged 15 mpg going 75-80 mph. Several times I had to slow down because I was hitting 80 while towing and didn't even realize it.
We are already seeing with the 2019-2021 Tundra's what we saw with the 2001-2004 Tacoma's when the new Tacoma came out in 2005. Nobody really likes the new body style and everyone that knows anything about trucks is going for the last refresh of the previous generation. I can see in another 2-3 years as the launch of the new Tundra gets farther in the rearview mirror, people are not going to want that new Tundra they are going to want the last couple of years of the 2.5 gen Tundra. So, I had a 2000 Tacoma V6 access cab TRD Off Road 5-speed manual that I bought brand new at $22,500 in 2000. I sold it in 2019 for $15,000 flat. That truck essentially cost me $394 a year to own. This is what Tundra owners are going to experience for years to come of the 2.5 gen. You watch!
From a practical standpoint the most important point you eluded to about upgrading is waiting for them to work out all the bugs on the new platform before buying. Having said that, newer is always tempting, especially for the improved comfort and technology features.
Give me few more years as when the truck has been out for a couple years we will see if i would buy it, but as of right now i would rather still have the the older V8 Tundra. My family has a 2009 Tundra 4.7L V8, it has been a great truck. The first few years has been reliable and all we did is maintenance and fluid changes. As it got older with higher mileage we did have to replace the struts and other common issues like the air injection problem. I would still keep the old Tundra and not spend 60k for the new one for now.
I own a 2021 Tundra Sport. It was one of the last generation two Tundras to come off the production line. It is large, beautiful, powerful, and a gas hog. It is the perfect vehicle. Of course, it is babied and will not be driven the harsh Ontarian winters.
Awesome to see this, you guys are the reason I got my 2016 TRD PRO TUNDRA last year! Glad to hear the heat seaters were improved... they are awful in my 2016 tundra coming from my VW Golf ha! IF I didnt have this truck Id get the new one for but 16 TRD PRO is my forever truck ha
Awesome video! If I was today in the market for a new truck, I would always buy the 2nd gen Tundra (new or used) over the new one. Here in U.S., the price difference between a new 22 and new 21 Tundra is on average $8 to $11k, same trim and similar packages. In addition, I do not think that v6TT will have a better MPG than the 2nd gen Tundra knowing that my wife has a lead foot.
!5mpg average. Ill keep my 2008. I get 14 with a lift and larger wheels. Like you guys the tundra is reliable. I don't need anymore power. I would like to see 20mpg average with all the newer technology.
I have an 08 SR5 that I use to tow my camper and it tows great has been super reliable. I changed out the mirrors with an OEM style mirror and put the brake controller in the dash. Other than that it is all stock and I own it. Maybe after 4 or 5 years and the new engine has had some time to prove it self.
Isn’t comparing a 14 year old Tundra to a brand new redesigned Tundra somewhat nonsensical? I LOVED my 2007 Tundra CrewMax for the 13 years I owned it and had no plans of replacing it. Unfortunately, a large oak tree fell on it (totaled) so I was forced to replace it back in June 2020. Bought a brand new Tundra Platinum 4x4 and love it equally as much as I did my 2007. I do not like the new 2022 Tundra and I certainly don’t like that they killed off the V8. If my 2020 had a 10 speed tranny, I know my fuel mileage would be easily improved. Plus, I still have the wonderful V8 rumble coming from my TRD exhaust.
Class video, was actually having this conversation while watching your video. You raise such valid points instead of jumping on the hype bandwagon. Save the money get 80-90% but use the vehicle as intended. Plus that fuel saving, once you sell, buy, insure, register isn't really worth it. Keep up the awesome content!
I really love the looks of the new one while I'm also huge fan of the old Tundra... but for me, I think I might prefer buy used old Tundra, supercharged it, updated the suspension components, and then add extra sound insulation in the cabin... I think it would make similar deal. If anything lacking is the infotainment system, and fuel consumption... and yes, I like trucks but yet I care about MPGs.
My 2012 5.7L 4x4 sitting at 221k miles still no issues to be honest don't wanna spend $60k for some turd nugget to car ding my truck i use my truck for fishing pulling stuck cars or trucks off road not worried about car dings unfortunately i still have them from other ppl that don't respect
Tundra should be traded/sold after 200k mile mark. Maximize the reliability you paid for. Plus new tundra prices are inflated. What is now $60k new cost $40k new in 2019.
My 410,000 mile 1996 Chevy k1500 gets average 14.7 mpg. Good solid mix of freeway and around town, loaded and unloaded bed. No engine problems, but trans has gone out twice. The point is, how is it that gas mileage doesn’t get any better. Freakin ridiculous.
It’s still a v6, can’t do that if the v8 is still running strong. I spent 200 on a new stereo with a camera in the back and a iPad for the console. It’s been a great truck and it’s not going anywhere other than my driveway. That’s how great the v8 tundras are.
My suggestion would be to wait 3 years to purchase a used 2022 Tundra that same truck you drove will be around $50,000 in 3 years much more affordable. But your right $60,000 is a lot of money to spend on a new vehicle. I'm driving a 2016 Tacoma with only 30,749 miles and would love to purchase a used 2022 Tundra in 3 years
I love the 2022 model year upgrades, mostly. But you summed things up right. Is it that much better? Sure in a bunch of ways, but not enough ... yet. That said, I just received the title (in the states that means owing no one after financing) for my 2014 Tundra SR5 that I upgraded to be closer to a TRD based on my taste. Gas/fuel/petrol prices be damned, I'm keeping my 5.7 liter around for a while because it's a good truck. Thanks for the comparison.
If they have put the 10 speed gearbox with the V8. I think it would be a better truck. I think Toyota is gonna have problems with the turbos/wastegates due to their locations and you can't beat the reliability of that V8. Toyota's reliability has gone down a bit... I'm not trying to bash Toyota's. I'm driving a 2017 Tundra and a mk3 supra and I love it!
2022 was unneccesarily streched upfront. Designer who created that monstruosity should haven been fired. Nothing like the clean clasic lined of the 2nd generation !
Don't forget that certain features like the heated seats are now SUBSCRIPTION features. All the hardware is there, the heating coil is in the seat, but you'll need to pay a recurring amount to have it function.
thats not cool. Never had needed any of the stuff but the idea of installing the hardware and still paying for it is ridiculous to me. Trucks aren't trucks anymore. Its a living room on wheels.
@@JasonLuther1 same here. I'm content with heat and ac, and maybe power windows. But if I had to pay $5/month subscription for the switch to work, I'd be happy to crank them.
Hey guys. Do a video series on sourcing a 10 speed transmission and jamming it into a 2nd gen with a 5.7 to see what happens to towing, MPG, etc. Would be REALLY interesting....
Here's my thoughts, if it still suits your needs stick with what you got, if you need it to be more powerful or something upgrade to a newer model that is used with decent mileage so that way it lasts you for as long as you need it.
I’ll stick with the 5.7L V8 in my 2015 TRD PRO, and before that I had a 4.7L V8 2007 SR5 4X4 (million mile engine also in the 2003-2009). You may get better mileage out of a V6, but you won’t get a better life out of it compared to a V8 that’s been the same for almost 15 years.
100% used Tundra, 45k delta buys a lot of fuel and tires. I’m going to throw all that sensibility out the window and say the only brand-new full size truck I would consider is the Nissan Titan.
I'm such a Luddite now. I literally sold my 2017 Silverado due to reliability issues. Now I daily drive a 2003 Ram 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins in it. It's crazy how utilitarian and reliable these old trucks are when compared to these new plastic trucks where if you sneeze wrong a CEL comes on.
My 13 Tundra pushing 250k miles is still a beast. Regardless of fuel savings(who buys a full size truck and worries about mpg?) That 22 is fugly. I would like a 10 spd trans tho.
I have a 2007 SR5 4.7L with 132K miles, the 4.7 had the least amount of issues but ive also done the sais bypass fix. I love my truck and wouldn't trade it for a TTv6 tundra even if they paid me.
Would like to see you do update/upgrades to the 08 tundra. Maybe some Morimoto led headlights a upgraded head unit maybe some rear airbags to help with towing and some body mounts to see if that helps with isolating noise. A couple thousand dollars to bring its Inadequacies up to date compared to the new truck.
I ended up buying a used 2021 RAM 1500 Laramie vs the 2022 Tundra. The engine problems popping up have me very hesitant to buy a Tundra for a few years.
@@oneslackr zero issues except for my windshield wiper tubes cracking in -5 degree weather. That was like $180 to fix. Mechanically the truck has ran great. It has like 46k miles right now.
Your improved fuel economy is probably more of a result of the new 10 speed transmission. I would like to think that this engine will fair better than Ford's ecoboost.
As nice as the new models are I would not buy one. I would rather spend much less improving the 08, bringing it closer to performing like the 2022. So maybe a series about upgrading the old girl is in order. 😃
Guys, to tell you the truth I checked local dealers here in San Diego and the cheapest SR5 now is $60K. I don’t think I would really wanna pay that much money for a basic full size truck. Actually $45K was not cheap at all but 60!!!! It is a truck for gods sake. Those who manage to pay around $35K back then and have those truck till now are in a big win.
V8 all day as soon as this new model was announced in September of 21 i went and purchased a 21 TRD pro tundra not talking bad on the new one in anyway just feel that the V-8 will last me forever over v6 twin turbo
My 08’ has 287k miles. She drives like a dog and she’s thirsty as all hell. I’m simply not eager to pay 55-60k for a current year Tundra in SR5 trim. ☠️
A full size pick-up shouldn't be v6. Not only did you guys gave us proof that the fuel saving isn't much (plus I'm sure you need to get 91 octane for the turbos), when you pull something I'm sure the v8 is more responsive and will give you better fuel mileage. It's the truth for the big American 3's, should be the same for Toyota. Really disappointed we lost 2 cylinders, I'll stick with my 2018 SR5!
I don't recall hearing about nearly as many issues going from the Gen. 1 to the Gen. 2 Tundras. Nor from the Gen. 2 to the Gen. 3 as compared to the latest Tundra. I think it's mainly because the engines have been mostly the same with a few tweaks here and there. Toyota has now wiped the reliability slate clean and gone with an entirely new platform. They had over a decade to get it right, but it seems like that TT V6 and other issues are racking up.
Just bought a 2013 Toyota Tundra with the “Rock Warrior” Package with the 5.7 and shes a beast! Only has 73k miles! The New models are cool, but unfortunately they just don’t look as good as the older models.
@@erickonassis6310 I did the TRD sway bars for less body roll, and Bilstein 6110 front 5160 rear... Smooth, can take big bumps, can handle turns with minimal roll
The lack of the V8 as an option is why the new Tundra is out of consideration for me. Had Toyota put a 10 speed transmission to the existing 5.7 engine, that would have been the right move to most of the Tundra’s customer base.
if i keep my 21 tundra around 1800rpm the computer shows im getting 20 and up. but get over 60 and thats when it gets bad mpg. id love a 10speed in my 21
I'm still driving my 07, 5.7 and I'm in no hurry to go in debt. Still reliable and paid for. I'll wait.
Same here. I have the 07 limited. Can’t complain and still feels like a new truck.
2008 Tundra 5.7 4X4 145,000 miles and still going
BEST OF ALL ITS PAID FOR 🫡💯✅
Gonna ride my 08 Tundra with 200k until the wheels feels off 👊
Once they feel off, you can probably put some new ones on. 🙂
Wheel fell off sound like someone doesnt tight properly.
Just put a new transmission in my 200xxx 07. I’m right there with you.
200k miles, that just passed puberty. That will have plenty of life..
@@FisheyeFarms how much did it cost?
Same situation here, I'm keeping the 5.7 and upgrading it with new suspension, bumpers, winch, 5.29s, rear locker, 35 tires, etc. It will be great.
I have a beautiful Blue 2009 Tundra TRD and I love. I’m with you. Upgrading is what I will do when the kids out of collage.
As a person who owns turbo things for my fun cars, I can say I will never own a turbo anything for a daily driver. Twin turbo v6 will never last anywhere near as long as a good ol Toyota v8 na
I generally feel the same way. But something I haven’t considered until recently is that these cars have millions of dollars spent to matching the turbos to the power train, and they aren’t pushing crazy boost. This will be much more reliable that the dude at your local performance shop slapping on a turbo for a few grand
@@mattc2433 wrong since the 2022 came it their has been a number of problems with the truck only at 1000 miles
The new tundra is very nice but I’m in Texas and we drive v8s lol I’ll rather have the older truck 4wd 5.7 with bigger fuel tank is perfect for me.
They should have kept the 5.7 as an option, literally all the other half tons still have V8 options
FIRST GEN TUNDRA ALL DAY EVERYDAY.
2002 Sr5 4x4 V8 !
350k miles and running strong 💪
Yeah, I have an 03 Tundra and an 07 Tundra - both SR5 4x4’s that I purchased new. I love them both but I have to give my 03 the edge because it’s more fun to drive off road. The 03 is a perfectly sized fun truck. Also, I hate the 22 Tundra - it a swing and a miss in my book. Spent some time with one recently, what a disappointment. Not for me, I’ll keep the trucks I already have.
I had the sr5 engine in my v8 4runner and it was great . I have the 2nd gen tundra rock warrior 5.7 v8 and honestly I enjoy them both
@@culio544 the “sr5” is not an engine code
Recently I found a 30K mile doublecab 5.7 V8 Tundra. Look,feel and drive like new. I test drove the 22 DC Tundra as well. The back seats are basically unusable on the new DC compared to mine. Payload was 60lbs more on the 22 and towing was 900lbs more but bed looked more shallow on the 22'. For someone that will be using it for work often. Wants to avoid downtime for repairs and sometimes carry 4-5 adults I'd say the V8 DC is better choice than the 22'. Last the price difference was $20K. I'll stick with a bit less fuel efficient truck and less electronics instead of paying $20K more for basically 900lbs difference towing.
Yeah I just picked up my 07 Tundra CrewMax an to know ima turn that key every time and have a big reliable truck when i need it is a feeling you can’t beat 💪🏼
I just bought a 2013 Rock warrior with 31,000 original highway miles VERIFIED!
Just an FYI Dave you didn’t lose the solid axle in the back of the new Tundra all you did was change from leaf springs to coil springs. You still have a solid rear axle out back.
Serious car reviewers should know this. Makes you believe these guys have no idea what they are talking about. When i heard that comment, I stopped watching.
Right. Jesus this isn't a side by side. You think they'd know this between the two of them. Lol
The dude clearly misspoke. He was talking about suspension components before and after that statement. Talking to a camera and talking out loud are very different things. I misspeak all the time on camera and have to fix it in editing. Maybe they just didn't catch it.
I agree with you Dave, i own a 2011 Superduty with a 6.7 that i bought new, it's been such a solide reliable truck & man seeing the price tag of the new one compare to what i paid for mine, i mean, i can't justify the cost of a new one. It's not twice the truck & it still does everything i need it to do so why replaced a solide working machine. Sure they do have all those new fancy tech but at the end of the day it still does what need to be done.
prices of used and new trucks are through the roof right now
Yeah, try to find any Toyota under 20k with less than 200,000 miles on it. Mf crazy right now
I had the 2023 for 6 months and traded it back in for a 2020 v8 tundra off road more solid and heavy love it on the 23 they made it so cheaply 7:18
What are the other benefits that you see older 2020 Tundra has over the new Tundra?! The reason I am asking is that everybody is praising the newer model while saying tins of crap about the previous gen.
5:23 it stil has a solid rear axle, they just switched to coil springs instead of leaf springs
Yes. I was just going to comment the same. It's not a fully independent rear suspension. It still has a live axle, but with multi-link coil spring suspension.
I still can't get enough of my 2010 4.6 2wd zero issues. Best body style!
$56k without markup…likely $66k the way dealer want them for nowadays! $72k( with taxes n fee) for a workhorse?! no thanks! i take $15k old v8 all day…plus it’s a toyota…million miles truck!
Other then the frames rust out and rot
@@quinton8312 : I still have my 1st generation '02 Tundra that I bought new in '02 (22 yrs. ago soon). The frame isn't rusty at all. It really depends where you live.
Heat seaters. Lol! Glad I'm not the only one who screws it up.
I do this half the time I say it lol, at this point it's an inside just for myself!
lol same
I do this all the fucking time, haha!
I thought this was only the case with my family. I have tried to break the habit but just can't kick it, haha.
me2 always 😂😂
The old V8 is an easy win!
2:23 Pete the “heat seaters” 🤣 The new truck is nice…but I still prefer the styling and V8 of the older truck.
the times my wife and i say "seated heats" in everyday life is astronomical lol
Man, DP's almost 2min one take, silky smooth intros and outros were so good. Respect for that! And as a previous 2002 Tundra owner with the 4.7L, it was the best run around, no problem truck you could buy. The downside was it was a tweener truck - not quite full half ton and just a bit heavier duty than a Tacoma. It definitely worked hard towing a car but daily driving around town and running normal errands (average DIY repair, home owner type loads) it was phenomenal. Let's just ignore the inherent ball joint and frame rust issues that generation suffered. I can only imagine how the 5.7L and upgrades to the 2008 would have filled all those gaps...and then how the 2022 must have improved upon those. Would have loved to see the underside and that multi-link of the new truck on the lift. Also was curious to see a back seat room comparison to see how car seats fit back there (and if the kids would be kicking the back of the seat).
My 08 has 780.000 miles only issue was bad o2 sensor and starter . I change oil every 8000 miles , and do the dof oil every 80k. Tow a 7000 lbs travel trailer , every month. 8-9 mpg 65mph
I just bought a 2011 with 160xxxkm in really good shape for 18900 Canadian today! It's my first truck and I'm super excited to put it to work! Hoping I get the same reliability as you guys! Thanks for this video!
Cheers from Nova Scotia!
Hello to all
I have a 2007 tundra 5.7l with 180k miles. I tow my 22 ft fishing every summer. The power train of this vehicle is solid. I love my old truck. Liked your video thanks.
I have a 2011 SR5 that just turned 153,000 miles. Paid off, lifted 2.5 inches, mud tires (kills mileage, but I will never get stuck), 15 MPG on the highway. So should I spend $60k plus sales tax to replace it, or realize it is just broken in and ready to run another 250,000 or more? Easy answer-keep the big V-8, and all the smiles it brings.
BINGO ...keeping my 16 let the idiots pay 70k and be in debt for a pos that won't last. Even the seat panels are cracking on all 2022+ cheap junk.
Love the content, guys!
I've got a 2021 Tundra (SR5 w/TRD off-road package) because of its reputation for reliability and the sound of the 5.7L V8 -- my first V8 ever, my last car was a 2007 Honda Fit haha. Purchased it last September and I love the damn thing so much, even if it's a pig on gas ($6.25/gallon in SoCal right now). The dealership my broker and I worked with to buy my truck just offered me 5k more than I purchased it for -- even offered a straight trade for a 2022 In similar trim if I was willing to wait until spring/summer for delivery. I appreciated the offer but I think I'll stick with the v8.
How is the MPG ? I am considering buy 2020 or 21 tundra
@@watchmanexpert over the course of 12k miles my average tank is 13.5mpg - 60/40 city/hwy driving on California gas. Best tank was 18mpg of pure highway driving going from LA county to Big Bear Lake with a bed full of luggage, snow boards and gear, alcohol (lots), and a weekend’s worth of groceries.
If you’re planning on keeping the Tundra and driving it until the wheels fall off (from rust) then it’s worth the trade off for reliability. If you decide to trade or sell it in
Idk what this guy is saying; keep your Tundra V8.
I am watching your Tundra videos because I just bought a 2011 with 345 000 km on it and it has NOTHING wrong with it. No oil consumption nothing. Super happy with the crazy deal I got and watching your videos to learn more on it. I plan on keeping it for at least another 100k - 200k km.
DP how about have an update on the 2008, by adding some goodies to it. Do a face-lift and make it look more fresh. That can be a good series.
I agree. Maybe upgrade the shocks and add led headlights, then compare then to see if new one is still worth it
309km on my 08 and still running like a top. very tempted to upgrade to a 018-21 for the finer finishes and tech. Just so hard to part with a truck that performs whenever you need it to. V6 turbo no thanks.
Why replace what’s not broken 🤷♂️
Agree with ya!! My 03 has almost 200 km I’m keeping her forever, to wanna get a 21 in the next two years tho. So annoyed when they announced no v8, hopefully the iforce max will hold up, who knows.
Is it just me or does the last gen Tundra design look a bit better? This is fully subjective and your opinion may differ but I think the huge front grill extending down trough the front bumper is a bit overkill. And the small recessed headlights are weird. Id like it more if it looked like a Tacoma or 4Runner.
Don't worry - I'm sure Toyota will ruin the next Tacoma and 4Runner too :D I much prefer my 2015 Tundra SR5 5.7
no, all of us tundra owners agree, the new truck is stupid ugly with a honda accord engine
221,000 and counting on my 07 CM.
This new generation Tundra is so butt-ugly, i wont be buying one. Ive owned two tacomas, and two tundras, and hope to keep my current one as long as i can, but the new style is a turnoff. May go to Big 3 in the future.
@@thomasdean5651 I agree, but am in the Toyota family, and will remain. I wonder how many more years it will take my 2011 to die before I am forced to look at the new model? I wonder what the 2035 Tundra is going to look like?
Keep what you got. It does what it do. Thanks for your content as always guys.
Just bought myself a 2002 Ford F250 SD with the 7.3L diesel and manual transmission for $6500. Needs some work but love the value of a good workhorse!
Went from a 17 ram 5.7 to a 21 ram with a 5.7 I wanted a Warlock but I the numbers didn't work out but for 130 dollars more a month its so much better I love the touch screen and back up camara and it drives and tows like a dream. Had to rescue my dad and his challenger from Indiana after he hit a deer drove it a thousand miles there and back towing his car it still avaraged 15 mpg going 75-80 mph. Several times I had to slow down because I was hitting 80 while towing and didn't even realize it.
We are already seeing with the 2019-2021 Tundra's what we saw with the 2001-2004 Tacoma's when the new Tacoma came out in 2005. Nobody really likes the new body style and everyone that knows anything about trucks is going for the last refresh of the previous generation.
I can see in another 2-3 years as the launch of the new Tundra gets farther in the rearview mirror, people are not going to want that new Tundra they are going to want the last couple of years of the 2.5 gen Tundra.
So, I had a 2000 Tacoma V6 access cab TRD Off Road 5-speed manual that I bought brand new at $22,500 in 2000. I sold it in 2019 for $15,000 flat. That truck essentially cost me $394 a year to own. This is what Tundra owners are going to experience for years to come of the 2.5 gen. You watch!
From a practical standpoint the most important point you eluded to about upgrading is waiting for them to work out all the bugs on the new platform before buying. Having said that, newer is always tempting, especially for the improved comfort and technology features.
Great point let’s see in two years or 3 if the new gen can hang with 300 thousand miles 👌🏻🤞🏻
Give me few more years as when the truck has been out for a couple years we will see if i would buy it, but as of right now i would rather still have the the older V8 Tundra. My family has a 2009 Tundra 4.7L V8, it has been a great truck. The first few years has been reliable and all we did is maintenance and fluid changes. As it got older with higher mileage we did have to replace the struts and other common issues like the air injection problem. I would still keep the old Tundra and not spend 60k for the new one for now.
I own a 2021 Tundra Sport. It was one of the last generation two Tundras to come off the production line. It is large, beautiful, powerful, and a gas hog. It is the perfect vehicle. Of course, it is babied and will not be driven the harsh Ontarian winters.
The grill on the truck is every bit as offensive as the grill on new BMWs, and I stand firm on that.
Finally! The truck looks like a GMC. I don’t like the new styling
If a new Tundra was the only contestant in a beauty contest it would still come in 3rd place.
Awesome to see this, you guys are the reason I got my 2016 TRD PRO TUNDRA last year! Glad to hear the heat seaters were improved... they are awful in my 2016 tundra coming from my VW Golf ha! IF I didnt have this truck Id get the new one for but 16 TRD PRO is my forever truck ha
Awesome video! If I was today in the market for a new truck, I would always buy the 2nd gen Tundra (new or used) over the new one. Here in U.S., the price difference between a new 22 and new 21 Tundra is on average $8 to $11k, same trim and similar packages. In addition, I do not think that v6TT will have a better MPG than the 2nd gen Tundra knowing that my wife has a lead foot.
!5mpg average. Ill keep my 2008. I get 14 with a lift and larger wheels. Like you guys the tundra is reliable. I don't need anymore power. I would like to see 20mpg average with all the newer technology.
I have an 08 SR5 that I use to tow my camper and it tows great has been super reliable. I changed out the mirrors with an OEM style mirror and put the brake controller in the dash.
Other than that it is all stock and I own it. Maybe after 4 or 5 years and the new engine has had some time to prove it self.
How many miles and how much weight are you towing?
2007-2021 FTW!
Thanks for this, going to buy a 2008 tundra tomorrow as long as everything goes well!
Isn’t comparing a 14 year old Tundra to a brand new redesigned Tundra somewhat nonsensical? I LOVED my 2007 Tundra CrewMax for the 13 years I owned it and had no plans of replacing it. Unfortunately, a large oak tree fell on it (totaled) so I was forced to replace it back in June 2020. Bought a brand new Tundra Platinum 4x4 and love it equally as much as I did my 2007. I do not like the new 2022 Tundra and I certainly don’t like that they killed off the V8. If my 2020 had a 10 speed tranny, I know my fuel mileage would be easily improved. Plus, I still have the wonderful V8 rumble coming from my TRD exhaust.
Class video, was actually having this conversation while watching your video. You raise such valid points instead of jumping on the hype bandwagon. Save the money get 80-90% but use the vehicle as intended. Plus that fuel saving, once you sell, buy, insure, register isn't really worth it. Keep up the awesome content!
I really love the looks of the new one while I'm also huge fan of the old Tundra... but for me, I think I might prefer buy used old Tundra, supercharged it, updated the suspension components, and then add extra sound insulation in the cabin... I think it would make similar deal.
If anything lacking is the infotainment system, and fuel consumption... and yes, I like trucks but yet I care about MPGs.
Come on man what do you need sound insulation for? It’s a truck not a luxury sedan.
Supercharger ? 🙄 why
My 2012 5.7L 4x4 sitting at 221k miles still no issues to be honest don't wanna spend $60k for some turd nugget to car ding my truck i use my truck for fishing pulling stuck cars or trucks off road not worried about car dings unfortunately i still have them from other ppl that don't respect
You lads are are on the pulse for no bs reviews. Cheers for Oz
Tundra should be traded/sold after 200k mile mark. Maximize the reliability you paid for. Plus new tundra prices are inflated. What is now $60k new cost $40k new in 2019.
My 410,000 mile 1996 Chevy k1500 gets average 14.7 mpg. Good solid mix of freeway and around town, loaded and unloaded bed. No engine problems, but trans has gone out twice. The point is, how is it that gas mileage doesn’t get any better. Freakin ridiculous.
It’s still a v6, can’t do that if the v8 is still running strong. I spent 200 on a new stereo with a camera in the back and a iPad for the console. It’s been a great truck and it’s not going anywhere other than my driveway. That’s how great the v8 tundras are.
My suggestion would be to wait 3 years to purchase a used 2022 Tundra that same truck you drove will be around $50,000 in 3 years much more affordable. But your right $60,000 is a lot of money to spend on a new vehicle. I'm driving a 2016 Tacoma with only 30,749 miles and would love to purchase a used 2022 Tundra in 3 years
I love the 2022 model year upgrades, mostly. But you summed things up right. Is it that much better? Sure in a bunch of ways, but not enough ... yet. That said, I just received the title (in the states that means owing no one after financing) for my 2014 Tundra SR5 that I upgraded to be closer to a TRD based on my taste. Gas/fuel/petrol prices be damned, I'm keeping my 5.7 liter around for a while because it's a good truck. Thanks for the comparison.
If they have put the 10 speed gearbox with the V8. I think it would be a better truck. I think Toyota is gonna have problems with the turbos/wastegates due to their locations and you can't beat the reliability of that V8. Toyota's reliability has gone down a bit... I'm not trying to bash Toyota's. I'm driving a 2017 Tundra and a mk3 supra and I love it!
2022 was unneccesarily streched upfront. Designer who created that monstruosity should haven been fired. Nothing like the clean clasic lined of the 2nd generation !
Don't forget that certain features like the heated seats are now SUBSCRIPTION features. All the hardware is there, the heating coil is in the seat, but you'll need to pay a recurring amount to have it function.
thats not cool. Never had needed any of the stuff but the idea of installing the hardware and still paying for it is ridiculous to me. Trucks aren't trucks anymore. Its a living room on wheels.
@@JasonLuther1 same here. I'm content with heat and ac, and maybe power windows. But if I had to pay $5/month subscription for the switch to work, I'd be happy to crank them.
Awesome video! I traded in a 2003 Tundra for a 2008 similar to yours last summer and have loved it so far!
I would love a new 4 runner for 2023, but my 08 came from Florida it has zero rust and currently only 130k miles I won't need one for another 20 years
I changed my struts to the bilstien yellows recently on my 2007 tundra crewmax and it that fixed the body roll under breaking thing.
Hey guys. Do a video series on sourcing a 10 speed transmission and jamming it into a 2nd gen with a 5.7 to see what happens to towing, MPG, etc. Would be REALLY interesting....
Yes and change gears to 3.73.
That would be a waste. That trans isn’t even compatible with the 5.7 at all. This is a truck. Not a Mustang or Camaro.
The 08 Tundra takes regular gas? Not premium??? I’m sold lol
Here's my thoughts, if it still suits your needs stick with what you got, if you need it to be more powerful or something upgrade to a newer model that is used with decent mileage so that way it lasts you for as long as you need it.
Nice video, I have 2019 crewmax trd off-road and I love it!
Did you guys ever get to install the new suspension on your Tundra
I’ll stick with the 5.7L V8 in my 2015 TRD PRO, and before that I had a 4.7L V8 2007 SR5 4X4 (million mile engine also in the 2003-2009). You may get better mileage out of a V6, but you won’t get a better life out of it compared to a V8 that’s been the same for almost 15 years.
4.6L in my 13 has been a dream thus far. SAIS bypass is the only thing I’ve touched. 161k miles.
100% used Tundra, 45k delta buys a lot of fuel and tires.
I’m going to throw all that sensibility out the window and say the only brand-new full size truck I would consider is the Nissan Titan.
You know thats exactly what I would look for in the newer trucks....I'm a V-8 Man and Toyota turned me off when the only offered that TT V-6
I'm such a Luddite now. I literally sold my 2017 Silverado due to reliability issues. Now I daily drive a 2003 Ram 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins in it. It's crazy how utilitarian and reliable these old trucks are when compared to these new plastic trucks where if you sneeze wrong a CEL comes on.
Yeah everybody let's get Pete for the heat seaters comment @ 2:25!!! Lol!!!! Its over Pete you did it this time!
I thought the Tundra was smoked at the 8:43 mark based on the camera angle.
Great information as always!
Just discovered your channel yesterday. Great content! Appreciate the video
My 13 Tundra pushing 250k miles is still a beast. Regardless of fuel savings(who buys a full size truck and worries about mpg?)
That 22 is fugly. I would like a 10 spd trans tho.
I followed you guys for ass2000 content and now that we have a 4runner too I'm loving the Toyota content!
I have a 2007 SR5 4.7L with 132K miles, the 4.7 had the least amount of issues but ive also done the sais bypass fix. I love my truck and wouldn't trade it for a TTv6 tundra even if they paid me.
I really can't wait for the tuners to start development with this thing too. Gonna be a ripper!!
Jb4??
Be careful with tuning man. The added power comes at a price.
Would like to see you do update/upgrades to the 08 tundra. Maybe some Morimoto led headlights a upgraded head unit maybe some rear airbags to help with towing and some body mounts to see if that helps with isolating noise. A couple thousand dollars to bring its Inadequacies up to date compared to the new truck.
V8s in trucks are like peanut butter and jelly. I'll be getting my DC Tundra hopefully soon. The 14-21 body is perfect. 07-13 is too rounded off.
Yupp! 14-16 best ones, less electronics too no need for it
@@volcom514 17 as well and at least the 18 still had the trans cooler.
I am pretty excited about the Sequoia. Might buy that and drive it forever as a family car.
I ended up buying a used 2021 RAM 1500 Laramie vs the 2022 Tundra. The engine problems popping up have me very hesitant to buy a Tundra for a few years.
How is the RAM holding up? Any issues?
@@oneslackr zero issues except for my windshield wiper tubes cracking in -5 degree weather. That was like $180 to fix. Mechanically the truck has ran great. It has like 46k miles right now.
@@hb7030 : That's great! Good to hear.
I’d gladly take the second gen
The old gen will still last longer than the 2022 sadly.
136,000 miles on my 01 Limited V8. Think I'll continue to keep her.......
Your improved fuel economy is probably more of a result of the new 10 speed transmission. I would like to think that this engine will fair better than Ford's ecoboost.
I've got an 07 with 325k miles. No issue. Love it
I would keep the older Tundra
I’d stick with old reliable! Lots of problems with the new ones !
🌟🇺🇸⭐ I'm a big fan of older Toyota truck design! Is timeless.
As nice as the new models are I would not buy one. I would rather spend much less improving the 08, bringing it closer to performing like the 2022. So maybe a series about upgrading the old girl is in order. 😃
Guys, to tell you the truth I checked local dealers here in San Diego and the cheapest SR5 now is $60K. I don’t think I would really wanna pay that much money for a basic full size truck. Actually $45K was not cheap at all but 60!!!! It is a truck for gods sake. Those who manage to pay around $35K back then and have those truck till now are in a big win.
I’m keeping my 2017 Tundra sr5
60k for a tablet and some extra cameras? Nah
Exactly
I look forward to the Tundra build. With sound deading upgrades.
V8 all day as soon as this new model was announced in September of 21 i went and purchased a 21 TRD pro tundra not talking bad on the new one in anyway just feel that the V-8 will last me forever over v6 twin turbo
I did the very same thing
@@tylerwest3820 yeah buddy
My 08’ has 287k miles. She drives like a dog and she’s thirsty as all hell. I’m simply not eager to pay 55-60k for a current year Tundra in SR5 trim. ☠️
A full size pick-up shouldn't be v6. Not only did you guys gave us proof that the fuel saving isn't much (plus I'm sure you need to get 91 octane for the turbos), when you pull something I'm sure the v8 is more responsive and will give you better fuel mileage. It's the truth for the big American 3's, should be the same for Toyota. Really disappointed we lost 2 cylinders, I'll stick with my 2018 SR5!
I don't recall hearing about nearly as many issues going from the Gen. 1 to the Gen. 2 Tundras. Nor from the Gen. 2 to the Gen. 3
as compared to the latest Tundra. I think it's mainly because the engines have been mostly the same with a few tweaks here and there. Toyota has now wiped the reliability slate clean and gone with an entirely new platform. They had over a decade to get it right, but it seems like that TT V6 and other issues are racking up.
Only real issue on the older tundra was the SAIS issues. Bypass fixes that entirely.
Greetings from Stoney Creek. I recognized some of the roads you were on!!!
People by Toyotas for reliability, 22 Tundra does not fit the bill.
Two of Toyotas greatest engines in one video.
Just bought a 2013 Toyota Tundra with the “Rock Warrior” Package with the 5.7 and shes a beast! Only has 73k miles! The New models are cool, but unfortunately they just don’t look as good as the older models.
My opinion, is it worth it? No. Both trucks will do the same thing. One just has more gadgets.
23 Tundra SR5 TRD off-road 4x4 rolling into 10k miles and everything looks and feels good from up here.
Upgrade the shocks on the 08 for better ride control
What do you recommend, I have a tundra, and feel like a bobble head driving
@@erickonassis6310 I did the TRD sway bars for less body roll, and Bilstein 6110 front 5160 rear... Smooth, can take big bumps, can handle turns with minimal roll