As a Switch developer I'm disappointed with the new OLED Model... | MVG
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- As a developer of Nintendo Switch games im a little concerned about the direction Nintendo is taking with the new Nintendo Switch OLED Model. So lets talk about it in a new episode.
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Hyrule Warriors drops to single digit frame rate in some sections... They could've atleast increased the RAM.
Embrace the old specs it's all you're getting
Or even increase the CPU clock just for that game, something that was done on the PS Vita to give the mgs collection 60 fps
Can you emulate it?
I am pretty sure the drops in Hyrule Warriors has nothing to do with RAM bandwidth, the game is just not that well made tbh. there seems to be a shitload of overdraw that could be reduced if optimised correctly
@@Stefanoabed05 Vita was the GOAT. It is my favourite console of all time & I don't understand why it didn't succeed...
Forget 4k, they only needed to make it run its own games at proper, stable fps.
*sigh*... Nintendo being Nintendo I guess.
Also stable resolution. 720p minimum. But it should be 1080p. In Reality some games go below 480p...*sigh*
true that. i just want every game to run at constant 30fps at least and 720p in handheld mode.
Absolutely disappointed
Seriously. Why does Donkey Kong Frozen have brief slow downs and frame skips? I even noticed video skips in some of the Sega Ages games.
Nintendo never officially made any kind of promise that it was going to be a 4K Switch. I don't get why people are upset about it you guys need to be upset about UA-camrs like this guy and gaming news media made up the Switch Pro story for 4 years.
Thjs whole situation reminds me of that time when Nintendo refused to release an HD Wii and finally ended up releasing the WiiU way too late.
they made a new black model in 2011 called "family edition" in some countries that didn't add nothing and removed gamecube ports, and changed the drive so it can't read dvd movies with homebrew probably to avoid some dvd bootleg games even if most people pirated with external hard drives or usb/sd
And remember how Gamecube turn into Wii? It's a huge success.
@@namesurname4666 The Wii could never read DVD’s
@@NostalgiaBox24officially not, yes with modding on the first models
@@namesurname4666 the black model first came out in 2010, and not all black wii's are the family edition, in fact I own a backwards compatible black wii
I love Nintendo, but the fact that even their first party games have performance issues is just embarrassing. I know Nintendo doesn't care about graphics, but they could at least care about framerate.
Probably because the switch isn’t really a home console but a handheld first
@@rolan5948 Doesn't excuse 1st party games from running at 8 fps like Age of calamity
they dont wanna spend money on hadware. that easy
@@dvornikovalexei age of calamity is not 1st party game, its not made by nintendo. its made by Koei Tecmo. nintendo ONLY licenced the characters
@@t0biascze644 but still has their main franchise name, and due to that, people will associate with it being made by Nintendo, and also, not only that game was having issues, but a lot of other ones too, not being first party isn't an excuse
Physical media is key for consoles. Doing things with "the cloud" is like planning to use a bandaid to use for your foundation. Introducing lag to an already laggy system is a recipe for disaster.
And as soon as the game doesnt make enough money the cloud just gets turned off. And you simply cant preserve that game than.
@@iFuzzle In short: own nothing and be happy.
Cloud gaming is where I jump off the game wagon. Especially with the exceptional profiteering and monopolies that US ISP represents. Lag and compressed visuals (no thank you!) isn’t for me, not to mention all the other issues.
Desktop computer: you guys sill use Physical media? What's the point if your cart does not even have the full game to start with and you already download every game from this "cloud" you speak of...
@@coryandrum but some do have the full game in disc.
I will never buy a cloud based game on the Switch. The whole point of the Switch is to play it portably with no internet you can't access the game so it's pointless.
And one thing i hope is they don’t release “game card” versions of these “cloud” games
I refuse to buy a cloud game, not just on the switch, but on any platform
And with PC Games its gotten to the point where i have a collection in my steam library called “offline playable”
In order for a game to be eligible to be in this collection, i have to be able to turn the computer on from a completely shut down state with no internet connection, launch steam in offline mode, and then launch into the game, and be able to play it (games in this collection are the only games i can play if my internet goes down)
Even some games which claim to be offline playable fail this test (these games can only be played offline if you leave the device turned on, leave the client software open, and with some games, ran the game prior to going offline, although from what i can tell you don’t need to leave the game running)
Agreed. I would rather play those games on PC (games that can't run on Switch directly). I tried the demo of "Control -Cloud Edition" and immediately decided to wait until it went on sale on Steam or something. I ended up getting it for free on the Epic Games store during one of their giveaways.
@@HarmonicWave same here, amazing game for free, nintendo will never do that.
Not their issue, it's Nintendo's problem
They had to be convinced to have 4 GB of RAM on the switch???? Oh my god they're worse off than I thought
Shocking to realize how out of touch they are. I mean, really, what were they thinking??
Yes they really only wanted 2GB of ram initially
@@iretrochannel They probably think they could Wii U the way out of it.
Nintendo's got a history of using outdated hardware to cut costs since the Wii days it's engrained in their corporate philosophy.
Their whole plan is to get developers to optimize their way and cram the game into their hardware, not make their hardware support the games.
@@CupoChinoMusic Sad considering the SNES and Nintendo 64 put them on the map for their sheer dominant technology and software.
F-Zero on day 1 of my SNES melted minds. I still haven't found a similar experience even in its own franchise. That Nintendo is gone.
they have one of the most popular consoles in history.. I don't think they are worse off. Maybe some games shouldn't be ported to the Switch. Obviously I have little interest in playing non-exclusive games.
You couldn't pay me to buy a cloud game. Paying full price + switch tax for a game that WILL have network related issues and is guaranteed to stop functioning a few years down the line? No thanks.
Full + tax? No that doesn't make sense, you mean that the game is more expensive
But Like if u got money plus a a way to play a game for free for a sometime that sounds pretty good lol
I think the cloud in this context would involve streaming assets to reduce the load on the hardware itself which of course comes with the caveat of having to be connected 100% of the time which isn't a problem in itself but might be for a portable device such as the switch.
"Nintendo continue to do what they do
and that is not really listen to the concerns and thoughts of everyone else." I work in a Japanese industry and sad to say that this traditional system is just crazy. You know if Engineers demand this and that but Top management will just say. "No". Ouch...
How is that in any way exclusive to Japan?
That is really not how it works here. There are certain incentives to make something as cheap as possible as with every business, yet not drop below a certain set goal of quality and performance at the same time. You have another entertainment giant in Japan, which is Sony that proves your argument wrong with the Playstation brand. Nintendos biggest issue is that they are stuck in the 1990s, they need a fresh perspective on things, and they wont achieve that until they do not open their doors to more voices of opinions, suggestions and possibly a few key changes of people in leadership positions.
@@NuiYabuko It's their senior culture, they almost have a feudal system when it comes to business, giving advice to your superiors that isn't massaging their ego is rare. Very hierarchical system where people are not supposed to question things or take some initiative in many cases. The way they do business is vastly different to the west. Japan is strange in how they're technologically more advanced than many nations but have a lot of antiquated practices, fax machines are still heavily used in Japan.
@@kurosumomo Well, can't argue with that, but senior culture is probably a lot of the reason companies don't have a lot of fresh new blood, and new ideas.
@@kurosumomo す모모麻子
MVG out here making tons of sense. As soon as Next-Gen (or rather, Current-Gen) really takes off for Third-Parties, those "impossible ports" really *are* going to become impossible (or at the very least not financially feasible). And cloud gaming is a poor alternative for a handheld console.
Handheld gaming never mean to play high AAA games.. It better to play game that specially made for said platform rather than cheap port.
For cloud you dont need Nintendo Switch, just use phone and crontroller like ipega or razer kishi.
@@violent8931 Doom port: excuse me
@@violent8931 So what is Hyrule Warriors? Is it a port?
@@coryandrum im not belittle what Nintendo Switch capable but be real here.. People expecting that litle machine to performs like PS4 actually laughable.. Nintendo Switch is the first attemp at bridging the gap between Handheld and Home console and PSVita remote play dont count as one. For this purpose alone I think Switch did their job for now as Nintendo game will carry this system to the end of their lifespan. Multiplatform never their main goal but as handheld machine, its pretty good already, I will give you that. But it never mean to play AAA games at 1:1 just like PS4/PS5 counterpart without compromised.. 3DS did successful and Switch surpassed it and many 3rd party/indies make game for this little machine.. But honestly, I prefer if any game on Switch not a direct port but rather a game that build to run on it.. lets say Monster Hunter Rise, Nintendo Games, Switch exclusive and if they want it be multiplatform, better specially made for Switch just like old days.. they can be the same title but build from scratch.. Developer now tend to compress everthing even polygons and textures to something thats they should not at first place.
If Nintendo's exclusives are performing poorly on their own console, that's I think a huge red flag for how insufficient the hardware is, because they allowed such games to be released knowing full well they weren't stable and why. I think the Switch is a marvelous device and I know it's hard to walk back on 90mil units sold, but come on Nintendo...
I think you just stated why Nintendo is not releasing new hardware. They want to basically sell 100 to 120 million Switches before even considering new hardware.
@@stripedrajang3571 so whats the tipping point? Just because switch sold 100M doesn't mean they are safe forever. They could have another WIIU generation with their next generation if they r not careful.
Nintendo is lucky that its games are so good and indies being portable is a selling, but they can't rely on these 2 things forever.
To my knowledge, every Nintendo console from the Wii and after always had specs behind the competition, always led me to believe they sold their consoles at a profit because of it, compared to Xbox and Playstation
@@GothicSnowLeopard, the tipping point is when the Switch sales starts to taper. It hasn't reached that point yet.
@Wario, the Switch is on its way to be one of the best selling gaming device in history, but I'm not so sure it will beat PS2.
Wait, holy shit--_you_ were responsible for the STRIFE port?
Dang. Small world.
Man, I remember hearing about Strife from Ross's Game Dungeon, amazing how much of a life it took on after that video. Rereleases and nice ports and everything.
This dude was also responsible for the N64 emulator that ran on my chipped xbox I got for my 8th birthday in '06.
Very small world.
@@BagofMilk he's a legend! Our legend
*and* the shantae one!
Ah, cloud gaming. "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy".
People seem to like gamepass. I'm not interested in it but i don't like the direction of the industry like this
I've heard of Cloud Gaming since 2017. Never understood why anyone would be pushing it. Now I understand.
@@farewellblues Whether it's through streaming or downloading, you still don't own the games either way. Same reason I stay away from PS now despite being a self-described PlayStation fanboy.
@@aluminumcurtain That's literally what I said at the end, I was just explaining that GP and cloud gaming aren't the same. I'm not defending the use of it because it's a DRM nightmare and people don't realize how hurtful and anti-consumerist of a practice it is.
New normal
There is no chance I'll pay full price for a cloud version of a game.
Exactly. No thanks. Why it doesn't make sense.
Specifically when they are charging a huge price tag.
reported for admitting piracy. soon nintendo lawyer on ur door mat
@@SoyAntonioGaming
What are they gonna do? Arrest me for buying Control on steam instead of a fake cloud version on the switch?
@@-Burb yes. Justitice Will find u
Talking purely from a consumer point of view, i do not like those small iterations that they made with their handhelds (i.e. 3ds/new 3ds, ds/dsi) as it leaves many of the consumers that supported the hardware from the beginning in the dark, and their marketing strategy for those situations are not very good, leaving the ones that did bought the improved consoles with a handful of games that take advantage of it, as they still need to support the original one (as there are plenty of game sales to be made).
I would like for them to just release a "switch 2", in a couple of years, and close this chapter
I wasn't expecting 4K, but at least a stable framerate and a decent resolution, especially for handheld mode. Most games can't reach 720p on hanheld and now they're gonna be displayed on a bigger screen?
I refuse to buy any Nintendo products at this point. It's just absolutely ridiculous
@@Nunya58294 same, i will just get metroid and i hope the zelda games turns out to be good then no more spendig on nintendo.
The switch is my first console in years and then i started to see the cons as time passed.
Learned that switch ports are actually the worst version of a multiplatform game.
@@peluquin98 Being Nintendo is too cheap to upgrade their hardware on newer devices nowdays... I absolutely agree
@@peluquin98 can relate to this, i haven’t bought a new switch game since may last year with xenoblade de and WOW that game looks bad and runs even worse on switch, especially in handheld mode. i ended up finishing the game on dolphin emulator with an hd texture pack and 60fps patch because i could not suffer any longer. every game I get the more I see flaws with the switch, it sucks
edit: also a hat in time is like that too, so even indies aren’t safe, and when i say xenoblade looks bad im talking about resolution
I guarantee most people that cry about 4k dont even own a 4k TV. I game on PC/PS5 with 1080p still and games look fantastic. Nintendo cant even handle that.
Until Switch hardware sales start to decline they aren't going to do anything new.
This. People are complaining, but I guarantee these new Switches will sell like hotcakes and even end up being scalped.
@@neoasura Sad reality.
The thing is Nintendo needs to be forward thinking with their hardware releases just like any other tech company to maintain the sales momentum. Waiting for the sales to drop before doing anything seems like a dumb strategy to me.
I'm very curious what will happen in the next few years. I've always thought Nintendo's behaviour and anti customer practices have been because of Iwata's passing. He was truly the heart and soul of the company, something changed in Nintendo after he was gone. He was also part of the development of the switch. Whatever Nintendo is working on next is the first console without Iwata's input in a long time. Considering their recent business decisions, I don't think they'll do too well....
@@weaverquest Do you think it'd be a wiser decision to release an upgrade during a global semi conductor shortage when there's no way they could make enough of them?
How would the people who are happy with the switch feel about being told you have to go buy a new one oh and it's going to be $1000 because it's impossible to get outside ebay?
On the other hand, Nintendo owns the portable market and their home Japanese market and no one's even bothering to try competing with them there.
A change to the internals, even a minor one, would mean that developers would be focusing on the 'new' standards, and consumers with older switches would gain even worse performance in new ports as a result.
I understand the frustration, but upgraded hardware mid-generation will not benefit consumers unless they buy the refresh. If they make changes to the hardware, Nintendo is better of just creating an entirely new console/handheld instead.
Finally someone gets it. I'd be the New 3ds all over.
Yeah your right. Old saying finds truth. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
then maybe it is time for successor to the switch to take over.
@@voxelfusion9894 the new 3ds never had anything what are you talking about
PS4 pro is different story
"consumers with older switches", And?
This is the price you pay for buying a handheld instead of an actual console, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Don't be foolish like Sony and think that you can just continue to have ports to older machines years down the line without seeing massive amounts of loss in development and overall quality
The more companies switch to cloud based versions, the less appealing the handheld side of the Switch is going to be. Needing a constant stable connection often means you will need to be at home, and even then there are many people without strong internet. The ethernet port will help, but that limits it again to docked only.
Yeah, I don't think they realize a lot of people not in big coastal cities don't have stable fast internet. That was Stadias mistake.
Playing over janky internet over a janky console...wait handheld masquerading as a console? oh the decisions! They just need to make software.
That's the only way to play the Switch
That's why they make dock with internet xD to make cloud gamimg xD
Yeah, if I own a game for the PS4 or even PS5 why would a buy it for the switch if portability isn't going to be a factor? The only people who would buy a cloud game in this situation would be people who don't own other consoles already and who have a significant internet connection which isn't going to be as many people as they think.
Your port of Shantae was flipping brilliant, keep up the great work MVG, i look forward to more games down the road 😊
Holy shit I had no fucking idea he did that. I've been watching this channel for years too.
@@erikhendrickson59 yeah he did the port of Shantae for the Switch, a fantastic port
@@erikhendrickson59 He's got an interesting episode on it
Before the Switch/PlayStation/Xboxes/PC port, wasn’t the original Shantae ported to the 3DS previously?
@@negimalover23 yeah but I’m glad its more widely available now 😊
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the Valve Steam Deck
Considering the GDP 3 Win and Aya Neo can run Yuzu/Ryujinx on some games, the Steam Deck might end up beating the Switch at its own game...
@@ionstorm66 ive pre-ordered the steam deck already, switch is gona get swept under the rug. I can see steam doing upgrades every few years and having trade ins to be future proof. Add that you'll already have your steam library and easy access to emulators. Gg wp steam.
You mean the nVidia Shield 3?
@@devilsolution9781
>valve
>trade ins
Oh you are a funny man
@@victorkreig6089 Not on games, on consoles
Nintendo won't admit some of the first-party titles have frame rate issues. More ram would help.
How does more RAM improves frame-rate?
@ if it's already filling the ram, having more ram would improve the framerate since they could put more data on cache
@@mparagames So, the more runtime data the system can store, the faster the CPU/CPU can run its logic, geometry and rendering?
@ not always; programs gerenally prefer to use as much ram as they can. If there is more ram avaliable than the program can actually use (ex: there's 4GB of RAM but it only uses a maximum of 1GB in a specific situation); then having more RAM makes no difference. But if there is less, then in order to function properly the program has to use something else to make up for it, a page file; or if there were cached files (that were there for quick access), the program needs to remove them from the ram to free the space for some other task, which can come at a performance cost, because it means it'll have to load those files again when it needs memory for something else, instead of them being already there in the RAM from when it used them before.
In short: having LESS ram than optimal amount hurts performance, having more than that doesn't increase performance, tho
but the switch games seem to be below the optimal amount of ram they need.
@A Spirit botw, pokémon swsh, hyrule warriors, i guess; games like ultimate seems to work buttery smooth at 60FPS, except on fod iirc
Nintendo: Slap an OLED screen, a curved dock, a kickstand, and a Ethernet port, charge $50 extra, and call it a day.
Drop a USB port as well
@@afkafkafk Don't forget you can buy the dock on it own
64 GB update too!
They also doubled the memory and put better speakers in.
@@n1nj4l1nk The sound addition is insignificant in my opinion. I own a regular Switch, and the speakers sound just fine.
They're shooting themselves in the foot while emulators will evolve and do what Nintendon't. How will anyone be able to justify buying a switch in the future when a free emulator will run games better than the official platform?
Because the Switch is mainly marketed towards families, not the average gamer. Families obviously aren't going to buy a high end PC to get the best out of a Switch Emulator, its just the hardcore fans who will go that far.
@@spoonybard64 Likely because Nintendo currently don't see the benefits of putting more money into a pro console, especially since the 300 dollar Switch(Which likely doesn't even cost a fraction of that to produce) is still flying off the store shelves.
They also know the OLED model will sell amazing as well, especially since people who already own a switch have a new reason to get this(Sure the Hardcore might not, but I promise you plenty will.)
Nintendo will likely release a "Pro" style console in 2023, since it seems their releasing a new refresh every 2 years(The Switch Lite in 2019, the OLED in 2021.)
I was excited to get a Switch Pro before watching this video, I didn't buy their first model either. Nintendo lost me after they released the Wii, which was my last Nintendo console, they continue to lose me now.
I think during a year like this with a chip shortage, they'd probably rather ride the Switch out and have a full successor in the next couple of years rather than have some kind of stopgap device. They probably can't produce a Switch Pro in the amount of numbers they'd like to ship. You can't even find a PS5 eight now, so why would they launch a Switch with a new chipset that no one can buy? Yeah it would be great, but it's a bit unrealistic.
@@sexyprincesswriter2362 Nintendo just does the bare minimum in hardware to get away with big profit margin, good financial strategy, but can damage their image, like with their own in house titles having framerate problems
I am not a big fan of cloud gaming, I like to own my games.
Feels like we’re a dying breed lol I buy PC games digitally but for consoles I like physical copies, especially with stores having a limited shelf life (servers get shut down)
Physical games are dying, get with the program
@@heisenbergwhite00 never i like owning games even digital games you numb nut, I am refering to cloud based games.
I don't game on any new hardware, but are any "cloud games" useable on a camping trip or a trip to a rural area with no internet / no cell service? Obvious answer is no for an online multiplayer only game, but what about others?
@@volvo09 Nope, you need not only a constant internet connection to play any cloud games but also a good one so the experience isn't absolutely awful.
Once Next-gen console games actually start leveraging their NVMe SSDs fully, "impossible ports" really will be impossible.
Switch games can load fast but they are always compressed making loading slow. But cartridges are faster than disc's or the hard drives of the past
@@wile123456 nvme is insanely faster than the switch cartridges or emmc
Most of 'nowadays' games are garbage anywaya...
Still a lot of pc users running mechanical hard drives. They will make sure their games work without SSDs.
@@toyjesus it will work yes. If you so happen to have an ssd the game will launch 3 times faster
at this rate it is about time they go straight into Switch 2
It's still too early for a switch 2.
The Stooch
@iLoveJackingOn but your average gamer isn't going to care about the raw power of the Steam Deck, especially with the price.
@iLoveJackingOn I don't think average Nintendo switch user cares about Steam library, They're the type of people who would play on a console over a PC because it's cheap, easy to use and has better exclusives than PC which has more quantity over quality.
The console SOC was pretty much outdated when it was launched.
4 years later its a joke.
Yep
yeah that how consoles works. for like 40 years. welcome to gaming world if you new
The N64 still had decent performance 4 years into it's lifespan, same with Gamecube. This crap started with the Wii, and Nintendo is learning the wrong lessons. The Switch is so weak...hell it's only slightly better than the Wii U which wasn't exactly a powerhouse either far from it. When all is said and done I consider the Switch more of a portable system than a home console system just with crappier controls and lousy battery life.
@@Ziegfried82 stll the best portable console now, better than any phone with crappy games
@@alternatereality7301 Actually the early consoles were a lot better at running games thanks to better (and more specialized) hardware than the equivalent PC or home computer (such as a Mac).
That only changed when consoles began using PC hardware.
EDIT: Once this occurred, for various reason consoles used inferior hardware. However the latest generation consoles aren't that far behind the cutting edge and better than an average PC.
If Nintendo wants this switch generation to continue for years then they're putting themselves at great risk of 3rd party droughts like they've had in the past. They should've learned this by now
Nope. Those greedy ass suckers won't learn until the original 3ds situation happens again. The one where the chiefs took pay cuts and gave 3ds adopters free games; called Ambassadors. They haven't learned since the days Sony and Square left. I said it before and I'll say it again. This is basically another Vita in 2021.
Nintendo rides incredible momentum from switch sales and there is a gobal chip shortage.
A pro model will come in time....just not now
@@onmywayto974 this is nothing like the vita-
Vita became DOA after a year thanks to Sony forgetting it existed....switch has incredible success and momentum even of the hardware is old
@@Matanumi Outside of success and exclusives, how is it not like the Vita? Vita had OLED, Vita could play on TV. Vita had digital and physical games. Only other difference is removal of controllers. Hardware side of things are very similar.....shit that thing was around 10 years ago. Sorry, coming from someone who also loves Nintendo softwares, their hardware isn't that special. Not to mention horrible online play and not making anything easier to do like transferring games. Why are they so slow? And to be fair, Sony and Microsoft also did well. If they didn't have stock issues, Nintendo may have to be smarter. Right now they are playing it safe. I think the blinded hardcore fans will only ride so far until they keep getting served shit on a stick. It's not like N really cares because they know these people will buy it anyway 😂. It's sad because I want them to be better for fans in general. Hey you don't have to believe me, half of the consumers aren't happy either and you wouldn't be here right now defending them.
@@onmywayto974 Nintendos Hardware never was special under technical aspects. It was allways outdatet. They really have no good hand for technique, and good graphics are more than ever hard to get. So it's just making very good games, which they still do. Talking about a Vita is weird, because Vita failed - not trusted by it's publisher. People also might forget what problems Vita had with memory cards... 90 dollars for a small size memory card, which are very poor made. So many technical issues. Nintendo has a portable console with an mobile architecture. It's outdated, yes, but its still good enough for most games, except triple A quality - which many people don't need, and never needed anyway. It's a mistake thinking, any console available should have stronger hardware. That some Switch games have technical issues is another story. It's the wrong console for some games.
As a developer I always want the best hardware and best tools.
As a gamer I don't want to buy another switch just to be able to play Nintendo games. Look at what happened with the xbone and certain publishers totally ignoring optimizing for the base console.
The idea behind the switch was to fuse their console market, so creating a pro console would basically defeat their original purpose.
As a gamer I want a good gaming experience, not crappy framerate. They need a new console, put the old one end of life and let homebrew devs do the rest of the work to get more out of the console, that's would be the best.
That's all well and good but Nintendo should still at least price their current Switch consoles accordingly. Still £259 (£300 for OLED) Switch. That's that much for a almost six year old aging hardware. Back in the day, I purchased a brand New 2DS XL with three top tier games for around £150-160. The dated Nintendo Switch hardware is currently worth £150 at best if even that by technical standards. By Nintendo not releasing pro models or a sequel soon enough is just allowing them to allow their current prices to go stagnant.
@@maxmusterman6030the Switch still has some life left in it and it’s great for Nintendo games still, yes the hardware is getting on a bit but it’s proven itself to be a fighter with some fantastic ports that they said was impossible on the Switch.
I have no disappointment because I never bought into any of the switch pro rumor mill nonsense that all the clickbait insiders and UA-camrs have been shoving in our face since 2019
Finally someone with common sense.
but muh 4k, muh raymond's tracing
Maybe the Switch Pro was a legitimate thing and was going to happen, until this fucking semi-conductor shortage. Shit happens. 2020 is the epitome of shit happens lol
@@sgtcreasegrease Yeah...Nintendo has an amazing history of updating its consoles! Really?
@@samuelsimmons9326 handhelds, no home console ever got A Mid gen upgrade
This was probably the best review I've seen on this whole issue.
The funny thing is that Wii U has more GPU bandwidth than Switch.
this is just sad and pathetic
Console-based semi-handheld Tegra system VS Purely handheld Tegra system 🤔 Damian points out that Nintendo sand-bagged performance to increase battery life. The WiiU was basically the same as the Switch, just much larger. Congrats Nintendo fans... You all just keep playing yourselves
@@Karl_Kampfwagen funny enough the battery life on the Switch still isn't all that great. Cheap crappy parts all around.
They need some proper competition in the handheld space
Yes that would really push them to increase power. They’re really feeling dated now
@@justintendo4302 like Sony...
Give up hope
@@Mojavekight17 If only Sony would have tried bit harder. Because they dropped the PS vita pretty fast.
Would have loved to see a Playstation Portable successor.
Smartphones... Nintendo isn't even leading in the segment. No "real" game company can compete in this bloated market. The switchs a very weird and very special case.
"Cloud based" means the game isn't available on the platform as far as I'm concerned. My games run locally on my hardware or not at all. I will never even look at a "cloud" game for a second. If the market ever completely goes in that direction I will stop playing new games and get a new hobby.
Yep, I also think the same
Unfortunately that day will come sooner rather than later.
Microsoft is heavily investing into cloud gaming. But the service is barely usable. We're looking at 200+ ms in response time.
Basically a "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't" situation. If you stop playing new games the companies just abandon you for the casual audience who isn't as picky. But fighting against new trends is futile unless you can convince enough casual gamers to not buy into cloud gaming or lootboxes.
This 100%
@@DeadPhoenix86DP There will always be indie games and hardware to run them on, and of course I'll always have the games I already have. But if the day comes when there are no new games that run locally, then there are no new games and it's time for a new hobby. If a game only comes out on streaming services, then it doesn't exist and I won't be playing it. Every game I play runs locally on my hardware or not at all (discounting things that have to connect to a server, like an MMO or for a multiplayer mode of course, that's different).
As a fan for about a year and someone who watched like... Every video during quarantine, I never doubted your credentials for a second, MVG. Thank you for everything you've developed and will develop in the future.
From a developer's perspective, obviously the switch could use more power. From a business perspective, it sold more in its fourth year than its first. That's a thing that Does Not Happen with consoles, and no reasonable person would make a significant course change right now. Even if for some reason they did want to upgrade the SoC, every relevant fabrication line on the planet is tied up until late 2022 at the earliest.
Every change they make reduces their margins until they can scale back up. I wouldn't be surprised if the OLED model only exists because they couldn't source the old screens anymore.
Its insane for me to see people in the comments here comparing the switch to the vita considering the relative sales! nintendo isn't hurting for customers...
I don't understand the logic here. That it's sold well for as long as it has doesn't mean it will forever. You need to invest in your products to keep them moving. Upgrading the SoC or even just RAM (especially just RAM) would be a rather small investment to make sure the product continues to sell. The thing is with gaming hardware is that sales can just fall off a cliff one day. Good products that sell well do so until they... don't.
"tied up until late 2022 at the earliest" seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, there will be chip shortages for 2022 and probably 2023, but that doesn't mean Nintendo can't produce anything. They'll just produce at a reduced rate. Unless you have some brand new articles i haven't seen yet. Some say it could get (significantly) better starting the second quarter of 2022.
What the crap are you talking about? Almost all consoles made have their biggest sales in their 3rd or 4rd year in the market.... It's extremely common
@@jesusbarrera6916
The guy's brain damaged. The 2600 hit it big with Space Invaders, which was released 4 years after launch. The Famicom was headed for bigger things after 1987. Did the success of the Genesis in 1992 (the year Sonic 2 hit) blow this guy's tiny little mind? How about the PS1 and 1998? Metal Gear Solid ring any bells? I heard that was good for sales. Is he really arguing that 1994 was a more successful year for the PS1?
Damn, he must be a huge Ridge Racer fan.
Don’t think cloud gaming actually makes sense for the switch. A big attraction of the platform is the portability so I can’t see games that essentially require you to be docked with a fast stable wired connection doing well.
My thoughts exactly, I'm surprised MVG didn't mention this idea.
I mean, I feel it should have launched originally with an OLED display...
I want to congratulate you on completely nailing it early that there would not be a Super Nintendo Switch coming this year. Big systemic changes mean new dev kits, yet as you said prior, none were to be found. You're truly somebody who is thoughtful in the midst of hype. Nailed it.
...looking forward to Xmas 2022
Good old Nintendo, they sure like to squeeze blood from stones. My guess is when main line Nintendo developers (Mario and Zelda teams) start saying it’s impossible is when they start taking things more seriously.
@Sin's Fun Factory no, an upgrade would be bad.
Handheld PS? you want a power back pack as well?
Everyone is just tired of Nintendo's sh*t. We don't want downgraded versions or completely different versions of games anymore on Nintendo.
You and everyone else my guy. Nintendo really dropped the ball on this one.
It's ridiculous at this point. The fact that Nintendo still refuses to upgrade the hardware inside is a huge turn off. More Third party games will definitely skip Switch yet again. I won't be buying Nintendo's next console. I had my Switch since 2017. Its time for Nintendo to upgrade the hardware.
@@jaguar4120 Honestly, I just have a switch to play ports of indie games from PC like Risk of Rain.
@@AdamJorgensen Same. have a CFW'd Switch. I -illegally- very legally download Switch games, but whenever I do I make sure to support them by buying on Steam before playing on Switch.
Their sales say otherwise. You all seem to know a lot, yet business-wise, they're doing more than fine. Would a 'Pro' threaten base Switch sales? Hard to say, but right now they're making them and selling them. I would imagine a 'Pro' machine would arrive next year.
@@JuiKuen PS5 dethroned the Nintendo Switch as the fastest selling console, so yeah.
The OLED Switch is literally just what the Switch should have launched as back in 2017
Same with the first gameboy, gba, ds, 3ds
It should cost no more than $299
they have a budget and the console cannot cost more even on sacrifices.
@@edussantoz9034 So you justify the budget to release an inferior product that plays a handful of games that they are known for...ill pass. Start concentrating on software and they will be relevant again.
@@TheGreatNathan the ps5 cost 500 and is a piece of shit expensive plastic ps4 pro
They need to make a N64 style memory pack
Where would it attach?
@The RPG Maker Audit not even close to enough bandwidth for Ram lol
@@kyler247 USB port
@@lightdrgn20 again, not high enough bandwidth for RAM
I guess that would need a specially port or mod
that moment when u go from making a n64 emulator for xbox to being a registered nintendo developer, epic gamer moment
The state of Link's Awakening on Switch still shocks me that Nintendo allowed the product to see the light of day. They are truly penny pinching and it is affecting their quality, I wish the media wrote about this more so they would be pressed to make changes.
Gaming media is too busy hating the gamers to worry about properly critiquing companies and video games these days.
The Wii U version runs alright though, amusingly.
Rumor has it BotW's Switch port was supposed to overclock the switch in handheld mode, but was heavily ridiculed at E3 for the pathetic battery life. Of course, all this was swept under the rug during the "deadswitch" launch fiasco, where Switches arrived with dead timing oscillators and broken screens that turned them into screaming glitched out bricks.
Links Awakening wasn't bad...
What the hell did we play the same game ? You're saying because there was drops between areas and some bad drops in ONE particular area of the game you don't stay long into, the game shouldn't have launched ? It isn't even a big deal to playability, if at all, and the medias already speak enough about this in all of their reviews...
Sometimes I really feel like I'm living in a completely different world than other people... Remember N64/PS2 era ? Performance in many games was abysmal, in the low 20 fps sometimes, it wasn't as much criticized. We're talking drops from 60 fps that does not last long.
@@KiraSlith he's talking about Link's Awakening which is prone to loading stutter
Man, I have so much respect for MVG. He both praises emulation and works to bring back IPs in an official way (we wouldn't need legally grey emulators if more companies republished their old IPs). He is also very concise and thorough with behind the scenes information in a way that is both technical but sensible for us 'layman' lmao
He's one of the good guys of gaming. Appreciative of gaming companies and the work they do, but never corporate shilling for them. He is all pro-consumer.
We would still need emulators because I’m not paying 39.99 - 59.99 for each title they resurrect. Just not happening. I’ve paid the piper many times over already.
I think it's odd that so many people were expecting Nintendo to ship a new model, with a new Nvidia SOC, in the middle of a global microchip shortage. What would happen, if a switch with the new soc was released, is it would be in very short supply, and most gamers wouldn't be able secure one for a year or 2 after release. It would basically be like the PS5 / Xbox Series supply issues all over again. I would like to have a more powerful switch, but i don't see that happening until the microchip shortage subsides.
PS5 / Xbox Series supply has improved a lot since launch
@@avinadadmendez4019
Doesnt answer the question
Hey you have an incurable disease
My health has improved a lot since my diagnosis
I think people are not seeing seeing the full picture with the whole microchip shortage and the are probably down the list for NEWER chips. They probably did what they could since they had everything else and continue using the pre-existing chips instead of risking having shortage of newer chip which means shortage of new console but abundance of last model which causes even more problem, at that point no one will be buying the old model cause they know there is a newer much better model.
At this point in the switch life, is probably best to just go for a complete newer switch 2 instead of an upgrade. A 'pro' version won't make this impossible ports 'possible' as it would need an SSD style technology which would make older switch incompatible with newer games. So might as well just go all brand new gen. Adding more RAM and incorporating nvidia DLSS won't do solve the problem they will face with games using SSD.
@@carlosencarnacion9425 I’m with you, Nintendo is better off releasing a Switch 2 in 2-3 years than a “pro” version. I’m glad you brought up DSLL as well, because to my knowledge, it’s only been implemented with Nvidia’s x86 compatible GPUs so far. That technology might be incompatible with an ARM soc.
@@dustinkinard7431 DLSS requires Tensor cores that are in the GPU, it's only a matter of having enough space on the die for tensor cores, we haven't seen this implementation in ARM chips because Nvidia hasn't licensed the tech out to anybody for use in an SOC that isn't made by Nvidia and ever since the Switch came out, their newer SOCs were used for AI in cars and DLSS is mainly a technology for gaming, so there's no need for it in their car SOCs.
STRIFE!? I was so happy this game got released on Switch, it's such a fantastic port, thank you!
@Devin Isaacson stfu
And according to Nintendo, we are still 4 years away to Switch’s life cycle end 🙄
Switch 2 vs ps5 pro vs Xbox Series E
@@lightningalex5324 Switch U*
ya know what i find funny, how "sure" everyone was a Pro woudl be announced, when the only REALY trustworthy leak was the OLED panel being produced for a switch revision....
Like my first reaction wasnt a "oh they are gonna make a switch pro" but a "oh, they are pulling a reverse vita, same hardware, just new screen, thsi time from LCD to OLED"
exactly buncha crybabies who didnt get the cake they expected. smh
People make up their own hype and get mad at Nintendo who never said anything to suggest a Switch Pro
No way that multiple leaks saying the same thing for years could be wrong even rich from reviewtech usa agrees with me I imagine it's because of the chip and component shortage
@@somethingsomething9008 no, the few leaks there were have all been right. People talking about them and reporting on them have been misinterpreting the leaks to mean something else
Given how bad some games run already on the switch, I am happy no Pro model came out. Can you imagine what the Pro optimized games would end up playing like on a non-Pro switch? Ugh...
Almost seems to me this Oled model could have just been a quiet revision rather than a big announcement.
It is, Nintendo has been quiet about it and never hype it up. Blame social media for hyping it up with leaks and rumors
@@lisafairymeadow2034 Because they have to announce they're having another model so people take a look at it and buy it if they're interested. Heck, it wasn't even that big of an announcement that I didn't know it got announced already.
It was pretty quiet. They can't put out a more expensive model of Switch and not say anything about it at all. It would just look like a price hike. And all the rumors about a Switch Pro meant they needed to make it clear that's not what this was, so people wouldn't buy it and hate it.
If they'd, say, announced it at E3, I'd say you had a point. But they didn't. They don't seem to have been any louder about this than the XL versions of the DS and 3DS.
That's exactly what it was. They announced it on a random Tuesday.
@@lisafairymeadow2034 Nonsense. Every revision needs a trailer, and besides, there was absolutely nothing "big" about releasing a trailer on a random Tuesday, with nobody in the industry being aware beforehand. The very fact they avoided promotion during e3 two weeks earlier, is a clear attempt for this to be as small as possible.
Imagine if BoTW 2 was released only as a cloud version........
Forget all that whining about an OLED Switch ... I just want Gamecube games to be ported over.
Same my GameCube isn't gonna last forever and that's pretty much the only way I play games like the original Luigi's Mansion and Sonic Heroes.
Dolphin is your friend. But honestly, Nintendo should have done proper remasters of certain N64/GC games long ago.
At this point, you're better backing up discs and emulating them into Dolphin or RetroArch
It’s been 5 years, if there’s no switch pro this year then we’ll only see whatever the Switch 2 will be in 2023 probably
Switch 2 2025 at the earliest probably
or they will make a new console/handheld
@@l0nkdev969 Bullshit.
Nintendo always lies through their teeth about not having anything upcoming until the day they reveal it.
I think we will see a Switch Pro at the end of 2022 or start of 2023 (maybe with BotW 2?). The sales will slow down a bit after Corona, the chip shortage situation should normalize until then and Nvidia had time to develop the SoC with a Ampere GPU on it.
The demand is there and Nintendo is registering that.
@@l0nkdev969 6 years is already more than previous consoles, so 2023 is probably, yeah.
Nintendo still uses Ask Jeeves to browse the internet.
damn lol
wtf
I use Firefox update 0 not to be confused with Y2k problem of update 100.
I feel like if the switch is going to stick around there's going to have to be some sort of upgrade. Not just an OLED screen but down to the traces in the board. More ram, upgraded CPU and/or GPU lest every decent triple a studio game will be on the cloud and literally unownable once the servers are shut down.
I really thing they are waiting for the successor at this point
that wouldnt really make the switch stick around that would simply be phasing out older models which is unlikely atp
@@dumbass9116 I feel like this is what Sony is also looking into. They just announced a remaster of Death Stranding on PS5 while the PS4 version still lacks a lot of *gameplay* features and QoL improvements from the PC version. At this point, they are practically encouraging us to switch to PC or wait for PS Now versions of their PS5 games.
That's a nice smile ...
Fits me best though ...
I’m a switch developer too and I’m happy with what’s the people approach to this system. They don’t even expect games to run good. They don’t expect them to be good at all. They’ll take every shit and it can barely run and they’re still happy “bEcAuSe ItS gOoD tO hAvE VaRiEtY oF gAmEs”
And it’s portable omg. I’d rather a game run well. Look decent on my tv. Than look like half shat out cabbage that I can play on a bud
Yeah, I almost heard in my mind that “bEcAuSe ItS gOoD tO hAvE VaRiEtY oF gAmEs” phrase, with retardation included...
Lolz.. maybe Nintendo should make Switch 640p native as 3DS successor from 240P rather rhan WiiU successor and people will stop complaining.. even today, I never thinking Its Wii U successor from the start when they made portable with 15watt machine.
Why the high expectation? We are talking about Nintendo, you know?
You sound like a great developer if you have that much resentment for who could potentially be your customers. lol
When big N was all about competing for cutting edge technology back in those days. Since the Wii era, not so much.
Nintendo.
Overconfident
Overpriced.
Underdelivered.
People love them anyways
@@KahruSuomiPerkele Switch Tax >:(
nintendo is such a consumer unfriendly company its amazing they even have the reputation they do
they could beat a homeless cripple within an inch of their life and people would still like them
Overpriced.
@@alienfish8521 I forgot that one. I had to edit.
I believe including "turbo" mode could be sensible solution. I know Switch is underpowered not because there are no good components available, but because battery life is a concern. But if there would be an option to overclock the machine and willingly reduce battery life I'd take it.
BTW, Switch's SoC has a not so great performance per watt by today's standards. A smaller refresh, mantaining it's current performance but using newer lithography would be really welcome to battery performance.
That's definitely doable, IIRC the CPU can take at least 80% higher clock in docked mode, issue is that it has to do that for 16 hours or more in the worst setup in a warm room without overheating
PSP did exactly that with a software update including a separate mode that clocked up to the full 333mhz but only when wifi was not in use allegedly for battery life concerns again which was the reason for underclocking the cpu in the first place.
Doesn't the Switch already have a turbo mode? If I remember Mortal Kombat 11 took advantage of it
@@Wavy667_ Kinda, IIRC those are temporary and not the full limit of the CPU
I stopped expecting innovation and started expecting gimmicks from Nintendo. This is a very Nintendo kind of thing.
What is that even supposed to mean?
@@NuiYabuko nintendo stopped doing innovation after the snes released and started doing gimmicks.
The n64's gimmick was that it was it was 64bit.
The gamecube's gimmick was that it was shaped like a cube.
The wii's gimmick was that it had motion controls.
The ds's gimmick was that it has 2 screens.
The wii u's gimmick was that it had a gamepad.
the 3ds's gimmick was that it had a 3d filter.
and finally, the switch's gimmick is that it's portable.
@@bruhmentium2693 For Wii U I think it was the motion controls which Nintendo heavily advertised and later Microsoft copied it by releasing the kinect
@@Legion849 nah that was the og wii
Those same memory saving compromises still need to be made, though. Unless a studio wants to piss off a bunch of first gen switch owners.
exactly…PS4 Cyberpunk situation
That's what I thought too.
There were 3ds xl exclusives
@@somethingsomething9008 The New 3DS exclusives are all shovelware ports. Check the 3DS eShop's New 3DS exclusive section. It's become less of a "this game takes advantage of the hardware" and more of a "I can throw this on New 3DS with minimal effort".
Damn xenoblade chronicles is pretty impressive for shoverlware
The time to improve the switch's specs was when the console came out. They had the opportunity, just like with the Wii u, to spend 5% more for 20-50% more performance and they chose not to take it.
Trying to make a switch pro is pointless when the games still have to work on the base switch anyways.
IDK if a WiiU spec boost would have helped Nintendo all that much since the gamepad would have remained a massive memory hog. The second screen gimmick practically doomed the system to be simultaneously overpriced and underpowered next to its competition.
@@andrewgebert5718 That is assuming the Switch Pro was even a thing! When has Nintendo ever released updated hardware in their history? Good lord I grew up a Nintendo gamer since the NES, but this has to be the dumbest comment section I have ever seen.
Yes they make some great games here and there, they need to go the way of Sega. Nintendo will fare much better though because they actually make great games. They are a generation or two from being irrelevant in the hardware discussion. Until then they are just robbing people of their money.
I am one of them. I said I was done after the Wii U and I still bought a Switch and it sits in my drawer for months on end. They just release gimmicks at this point.
@@samuelsimmons9326 you are one of those 2016 non believers that supports the idea of third party Nintendo huh? Switch ain't a gimmick at all , 85m+ people will tell you that, taking home console games on the go it's a legitimate feature that makes a ton of sense, not just a gimmick like the Wii u gamepad or the Wii's motion controls
@@CinnamonOwO Non-believer? I am not a Nintendo fan anymore because of their business choices. They make some good games here and there but nothing that is ground breaking that requires any of their gimmicks. Their developers make some fun apps that have some cute appeal, but after a few hours it doesn't last. There is a reason why PC, Xbox, PS continue to thrive and they don't need to introduce some kind of niche product.
Genshin Impact is an example of what creative minds can do when not restricted to outdated hardware or a niche audience. Again, Ninentdo is setting themselves up for a software only company. The only thing keeping them afloat is the diehard supporters that are much like Apple supporters. Inferior products and a gullible fanbase.
@@CinnamonOwO Wii U gamepad? What an amazing Gamepad when you have no games to play! Reminds me of why my Switch sits in the drawer, so many great games to play!
What a fantastic idea for a portable system- as you would have to be always connected to the cloud (when on the go) and using extra battery for the increased wifi throughput. I’m not saying those things aren’t doable through hotspots or charging banks, but I personally want my portable games to be playable where there might not be wifi or cell signals. Plus the extra battery usage on my phone (if I’m using it as a hotspot for the switch). And phone data usage (if I don’t have an unlimited data plan). I’m curious if most people use their switch docked or on the go…
From a consumer perspective, what I’m concerned about with this is the fate of backwards compatibility with the next Nintendo generation. If it’s well implemented, then it means the existing games that have performance struggles will be able to shine in time. If not, I’m afraid I’ll be faced with purchasing port after port just to get satisfactory performance, and my ambivalence towards this company will be what really hits a tipping point.
@Evilution Gaming Yep just like they did with Wii u Switch ports
It can be backward compatible if they keep using Nvidia SoC
If the next generation of Nintendo consoles are not backwards compatible with Switch, I will not purchase them. It really is that simple for me.
I’ve been an avid Nintendo gamer for practically my entire life. It started with the original Game Boy and NES when I was very young, then quickly evolved from there. Ocarina of Time in 1998 was (and still probably is) my favorite gaming experience. I was fully immersed, and that game shaped the rest of my childhood.
I was actually really hyped for the Switch, at first. Skyrim on the go? That sounds amazing. The problem for me, then, has been time. Skyrim on the go would’ve been practically magic back in say 2012. But, as it stands here in 2021, I have a PS5 and Series X that can play Skyrim in 4K. The Series X can also play it in 60 FPS. It’s just a worse experience on the Switch, and that’s a trend with pretty much every AAA 3rd party game. The Switch version is worse in every way, and I’m not really sure that being portable makes up for it. I only really ever play Switch in handheld when I travel which isn’t very often. When I’m at home, I’d just as soon play Witcher 3 or Skyrim on my Series X.
There’s also the matter of Virtual Console. It’s nonexistent on the Switch. I’m absolutely flabbergasted that all of those games I purchased on Wii and Wii U have to now sit there forever. Nintendo seems intent on re-selling me the same damn games as many times as possible. How many times have I purchased Mario 64 or Ocarina at this point? Probably 5-8 or so times apiece. Meanwhile, both my PS5 and Series X are backwards compatible with the previous generations, and Xbox especially is doing a fantastic job of keeping old games alive with resolution and frame rate patches for free.
If Nintendo won’t allow the new console (which, to be honest, should just be a new iteration of the Switch) to be backwards compatible, then I refuse to support this company anymore. It’s sad to say that, but they are really, really greedy compared to the other console manufacturers. I wish Iwata were here.
@Evilution Gaming Nintendo's handheld consoles have a long history of backwards compatibility though
Maybe you can join the dark side and just run emulators of all the Nintendo stuff going forward. You'll have to wait a while sure, but the emu's get ironed out eventually.
Shantae on that OLED display will look niiiice!
Nintendo will continue to do the bare minimum.
The console itself is pretty old. I bet they're working on the design of completely new "switch" hardware that may or may not be compatible with the old.
And i bet it will dissapoint again it will not be doing native 4K or 60fps gaming for the most part
And then they sell you the same old shit again and again. Consumers are born dumb and stay dumb.
@@heisenbergwhite00 I doubt we'll see 4k coming out of Nintendo in a long time, but they do need at least stable frame for docked and undocked to be a successor, along with fixing drift but that ain't happening huh 😅
Its all about TDP!! They can totally release a faster better Switch but at what cost? Not cost out of pocket, I am talking about cost is battery life? The switch is a great size and weight and works great for kids!! If they had a switch pro that was 4k the battery life would be 1/4 of what it is now and what the point of doing that!!
@@heisenbergwhite00
If you think native 4k is going to come to handhelds anytime soon you’re delusional.
"Working on Switch Dev hardware"
Now THERE'S a video I'd like to see. Even if it's going to be years from now.
INB4 the super hyped video about the Steam Deck announcement!
I never actually thought about it. Like it makes sense they just make a new shell because if they just increased the ram by 2g, a lot of new switch games wouldnt be playable on the old console. But at this point, I think its okay to make an entirely new switch that can play all the old games, but it a lot more powerful. OF course, lots of people will complain, but they will always complain.
The Switch in 2017 was already behind consoles that came out 4 years before it, so Its almost like its been 8 years for that console cycle.
Fascinating insights and even just from a user side it seems that Switch is already on the edge of a cliff of what it's capable of and I agree in that we're only going to see less native third party support
It's an ecosystem now. Better joy-cons can now be developed and released that benefit old and new Switch models. Moving forward, the system can continue to evolve generationally, component by component, maintaining one permanent library. If we're lucky, a near complete back catalog of games could eventually exist on a gen 3 or 4 Switch device. A fantasy, I know.
Interesting points to make:
The DS was originally developed as an experimental 3rd pillar, between the GBA and the Gamecube. The only reason it became the GBA's successor is down to its success and backwards compatibility with the GBA library. With the Switch being a literal 3rd pillar (functioning as somewhere between TV Games Console and Handheld), I can see the lifecycle of the Switch being somewhat similar. The DS after all, had a DS Lite and a DSi before its significantly upgraded successor came out. That successor, the 3DS, came out a whole NINE years after the release of the DS. The Switch was never going to have a 'Pro' version out this year, and probably won't for another... let's be optimistic... two to three years.
The 3DS came out 7 years after the original DS lmao. 3DS released in 2011, and the DS released in 2004.
I think the demand is just stronger for it this time around since the performance issues are way more apparent whereas most games on the DS (first party or otherwise) ran fine. Games on the Switch have already started to show growing pains from being on weaker hardware and they won't be able to hide that forever, especially if they plan on riding this thing out for the next 6 years.
Switch ain't a 3rd pillar that's for sure
@@gamerguardian2213 7 years after 2017 is 2024 tho
The 3rd piller thing was because Nintendo was worried the DS wouldn't sell. It wasn't legit but a PR phase to say the GBA wouldn't be dropped. The made the same sounds for the 3DS when the Switch came out.
8:05 But until the developer shuts down the server or Goes out of business. Or has shitty Internet connection like most Rural areas.
Satellite internet has begun to make this less an issue cloud gaming is here to stay
@@droopy935 I know that. But when you are doing anything that needs very fast response time. It kinda sucks.
Much like digital purchases are gone the moment the manufacturer shuts down the store of your discontinued console, or Game Pass games leaving the catalogue in less than 12 months. I get the complain, which is why i still buy mostly physical games, but most consumers don't seem to care.
@@mi2-c035 this is really really overblown dont blame the companies blame the fans who dont care about the series or game anymore to spend money on it. Most keep servers alive for a really really long time
I’m still blown away by half-life 1998,
Great work with strife btw, this port was my first run through and it was great 👍
This is the kind of quality I feel happy to have on UA-cam. Thank you for the serious and professional insight on this subject. Man, this is on-par with Digital Foundry. Keep the amaaaaaazing work going. Respect.
I think Switch 2 is coming as soon as they can allocate enough chips for themselves. And it will feature the same OLED screen they using on the new model. Probably late 22 or early 23.
I don't think a switch 2 is anywhere near, Nintendo will milk this OLED one for at least 4 to 5 more years
Nah, we'll either get an oled lite or marginally upgraded switch in late 2023 then a switch successor late 2025/ early 2026.
@@heisenbergwhite00 by the time Nintendo even thinks about making an upgraded Switch, we'll have news about the PS6 and the Xbox-Whatever-Name-With-Another-Letter
Yeah the Switch 2 is likely coming in 2-3 years, so a 4k switch pro would be a dumbass move and just burn the entire base.
This is what I think as well but imho this model is a complete waste. Double storage to 64 gb and a prettier screen isn't going to make games perform better, so wtf was the purpose? Its like they're pulling a gameboy micro. Idk, its stupid.
ah yes welcome back 2010 with less ppi now its like the dsi xl
no no we agreed its 2011 and it's like the vita.
Ay, lay off the DSi XL, my baby tried his best
Dsi it was good.... Dsi XL si just this less ppi.
We are back un time
Not like back to future :'(
@@Xirtamani Yeah it kind of did change 6.2" to 7".
@@79Notnek Oh, right. Stupid mistake. I thought I heard they both have 7 inch, but ofc that's bullshit, the new one has smaller bezels after all while being the same size on the outside.
What I find especially outrageous is that they are bumping the price from $299 to $349 for basically the same hardware :/ I get that the OLED screen is probably more expensive but considering the age of the remaining hardware I feel like it should have at least evened out, or preferably gotten cheaper.
Actually OLED screens cost roughly 10-15% less then LCDs and LEDs.
The performance of the Switch really is the biggest turnoff for me. I personally feel like 60fps is just a necessary standard to be met for any game now, yet that's barely possible on a large selection of switch titles.
Not every game has to run at a constant 60fps
Of course some NES games had it
Any game can be made to run at 60 frame per second...... the question is how many graphical effects are you willing to sacrifice in order to make that happen
@championchap I do agree that 60 fps should be a bare minimum but NES didnt run all games at a constant 60. A ton of games would slow down with too many sprites on the screen, and towards the end of its life, most big games were hobbling along thanks to coprocessor chips built on the carts
Good thing you made all those switch pro hype videos
RGT85 in shambles....
bruh moment from him
Honestly, I'd love to see Nintendo take a big hit in revenue they really deserve it, but they have such dedicated fans they'll just sell truckloads of their Oled Switch models and if they do happen to release a hardware upgrade 6 months later, people will buy it too.
Chill bro, the 3DS and Wii U were a big hit to them financially!
It's everyday people buying the Switch, not fans. They don't have a 80+M fans or else the Wii U would have done better too.
And whose fault was that exactly?
Why would they take a revenue hit?
Their switch is profitable, especially bought by casuals, because it's not a 700$ mobile device
I'm getting the Steam Deck when its released instead. More powerful, better graphics and able to play my PC games on it.
I see people defending this like "Nintendo marches to the beat of their own drum" or "They never promised anything, we had our expectations too high"
Um, no. No no no. This thing costs MORE than the current Switch model, offers ...a kickstand the Surface Pro 4 had done better 2 years before the Switch, it's offering a comically bad amount of storage still, and they haven't fixed the joycon drift still.
Expectations were so low you could find them in Satan's wine cellar, fix your defective controllers that you charge a ton for.
As for performance, Breath of the Wild struggles pretty hard in some areas, Hyrule Warriors AoC can be dropped to single digits at will, Links Awakening has weird performance problems...and that's the official Nintendo made/approved stuff. Doom Eternal- one of the best running and optimized games ever, struggles.
First party and 3rd party that worked with nintendo & one of the best looking & running games scream the Switch needs help.
I'm not asking for 4K, Switch is a handheld device so I just want the thing to run well when I'm playing the ACTUAL unit, but hoping they could do what they did with the New 3DS where the performance was NOTABLY increased? Yeah, would be nice. Monster Hunter on the new 3DS was both better looking AND running, it was super noticeable.
But instead this just feels like Nintendo chasing that "premium feel" that some people want over performance, which is irritating.
Their OS is a mess, no folders to organize anything, just a single row of branded cheese slices while their last gen system- AT LAUNCH, had folders, the ability to zoom out to see more games.
Again, don't care about 4k, not even remotely what should be the focus. Just, for goodness sakes, this would have been such a nice upgrade if they had even a LITTLE performance upgrade. The fact they're showing off an ethernet port, in 2021 is VERY damning- especially when you see that the Dreamcast included one on the JP launch model in 1998.
I'm not a hater on the Switch, it's my most used console to date, but I'm seeing more and more problems crop up that would have been fixed with even a modest upgrade.
Publishers are gonna start pulling away and hopefully indie devs stick with it. But when they start getting more and more used to the wiggle room PS5/XBSX have...How good are the ports gonna be? Good enough for them to dedicate time vs making new things? Who knows. Vita got that kinda love. I don't want the Switch crumbling like this.
Not buying the OLED is the only signal I can see working now. If it does sell well, then Nintendo would have make a good decision. It's just a thing of not proving them right. I suppose.
I agree with a lot of what you've written, but Dreamcast hadn't an ethernet port. It was a modem that used telephone line :)
Sega made modems for broadband, but there was little production of those, and you had to buy one.
It's easier to get your DC online now, with the community restoring games' online functions, but you need hardware to bypass connection type differences. Things only get worse for PAL regions because of the standards used back then 😔
The Xbox was the first to ship with Ethernet without the need to buy accessories for online functionalities.
Honestly, I would have no problem with the Switch OLED if it was competitively priced (and maybe had more storage). The trouble is that Nintendo is already having a hard time keeping their systems on the shelf due to high demand. There simply isn't a reason to be competitive when the value is already justified in the eyes of most consumers.
@@dffagundo Wasn't that different between regions with the Dreamcast? Or was it that it was a 56k modem for US/JP and slower for EU?
The DC I got from a friend had one and I THOUGHT I heard it had one and wasn't sure if it was the regional thing or what.
But even if we go with the Xbox, that's 20 years ago and Nintendo is boasting about having an Ethernet jack in their dock. Which, considering that they want $90 for one and a decent USB-C dock frequently has one for 1/3rd the price it just comes off as insulting.
@@Vvonter It's Nintendo, it'll sell.
If you need evidence of that, Skyward Sword was pretty well slammed back in the day, no one liked it.
The rerelease is more money than the OG one and apparently preorders have topped charts. For one of the most disliked Zelda titles.
That said, Nintendo often has that problem. Luigi's Mansiom. Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker all were pretty mixed or hated at first and their re-releases did much better. ...But also Sunshine was in a collection, unlike Skyward Sword.
I don’t have a Switch but I’ve been wanting one for a while. I am just wary to pay this much for one when it feels it’ll be redundant pretty quickly
I wouldn't bother I found the switch to be junk
Honestly at this rate emulation will probably be the way, the specs are pretty low, as soon as the microchip shortage ends (lol) it shouldn't be that hard to emulate everything on decent hardware especially considering its just a Nvida Shield rebranded.
it ain't worth. The system nor the games. Nintendo first party titles rarely ever decrease in price. Breath of the Wild came out 4 years ago and still costs the same price of like 60 dollars it did then while top games on Xbox and PS4 can be bought for a fraction of that. God of War for example on PS4. Absolutely top tier game and can be bought for 10 bucks. Nintendo do some good stuff but they are so conceited and up themselves they need to be taken down a peg or two.
Until we get a Switch Pro, we'll have to hope for 4K upscaling on Emulators. Can't wait to see how the Steam Deck handles Emulators
The problem with small incremental hardware improvements is confusion. Lots of people would be confused about wether games run well or not on whatever system they're using, once the number of hardware revisions increase. I think Nintendo is only going to update the performance-related hardware at most once per generation, to keep things simple.
I don’t know, they’ve done a few upgrades in the past that were required to run certain games. The N64 had the expansion pack to run Donkey Kong 64 and the new 3DS was needed to run certain games
@@drunkenmolesterpaul3569 Yes, but never more than once during a generation. That's when it gets confusing.
I still think we could get a Switch Pro of sorts at some point!
When I saw the trailer for the new switch, I literally said "Wait, that's it?"
I had exactly the same reaction. Like, "What is even the point of this?"
I remember the PSP maintaining 802.11b WiFi which was only 11Mbps throughout its generations even if better tech was available. The problem with WiFi is that if the PSP connects to that network, it slowed everything down.
3:36 - And yet after all that pushing, they still had to release a Cloud Version of their first RE Engine title.🙄
Of course Nintendo is thinking about new switch hardware. All the companies in the console hardware game is constantly in R&D mode. What I think everyone is missing and what Nintendo does understand is that there is no way for them to increase the performance of the new switch without in some way splitting the userbase. Why would they want to do that when the switch is still selling as far as they can make it? I sincerely hope Nintendo doesn't do a halfstep console at all and when they do release more powerful hardware it's when they're ready to release a new proper console. Do people really want to end up with the performance vs quality modes mess that you find on the other consoles right now?
Absolutely agree, I'm not a fan of those mid-way upgrades as well. Just wait until there's an affordable way to put base PS4 performance in a handheld and release that one as Switch 2.
When even sub 200 euro smartphones are starting to ship with 6+128GB configurations there’s really no excuses.
Are you sure you’re not confusing ram with hardrive space with those numbers?
The Xbox series X which is the strongest console ever released so far specs wise only has 16 GB of memory ram
How the heck are there phones with 128 GB?
@@demonreturns4336 are you watching the correct video as I’m not talking about the Xbox but about the switch with its 4GB of RAM for 399. If MS and Sony can build a much more advanced console for the same price (720p OLED screen doesn’t cost anything) and phone manufactures can sell phones that are more powerful in every aspect for the same price, Nintendo has no excuses. They are even benefitted as they can take a lesser profit on the hardware as they make money on the games and accessoires, whereas most phone manufactures have to make their profits from the hardware.
Just look at the Steam Deck.
PS: you’re maybe not familiar with phone terminology but 6+128 means 6GB RAM and 128GB ROM. Even manufactures use these terms officially (like OnePlus and Samsung)
This is imo the most reasonable take I've seen about any concerns regarding the Nintendo Switch (OLED model). I appreciate the viewpoint from an actual Nintendo Switch developer and not just... Getting really toxic about it. I definitely can understand where you're coming from. Because this really ISN'T the necessary progress for the Switch to make. Especially for 3rd party developers.
For me, personally, this is just the 3Ds XL and my opinion hasn't changed: My 2017 Switch is mostly fine and I don't need this.
If the "New Nintendo Switch" ever becomes a thing, by then I'll probably need the upgrade. Until then... Cool design. Nice screen. Don't need it.
You as already Switch owner are also not the target market for the OLED model. The target market are new users like me.
@@wm2008 BINGO! I know people who haven't been able to get one... This is a great opportunity.
Like I said, _I_ don't need it but I'm not everyone.
Can't wait for a vid on Strife, man! Veteran Edition is a great way to play the game, and I'm glad you brought it to Switch!
Nintendo's position is actually very easy to understand. They sold 90 million units, which means they have 90 million customers that will potentially buy games. The secret to leveraging profit from that is not to release new hardware which will allow the few owners of the new hardware to play games, and developers to forget about the constraints of the original switch and release titles that play better on Sony/Microsoft's consoles anyway. It is to stick to the original hardware and force developers to satisfy those 90 million existing customers with games that play well on all switch hardware. That way, Switch games will sell as many copies as possible and Nintendo will get their cut from each sale.
That's only going to work for so long, more and more devs are abandoning the Switch. Performance limitations are also effecting Nintendo's first party games and making for some rather ugly news reports.
Kinda reminds me of the Gameboy....not the best hardware, but still a winner. Nintendo's strength has always been in their games...I guess we'll just have to see what happens
Well said. Their handheld track record is astonishing. Remember when people were talking about the ascension of the PSP. The PSP did do well but it was no DS.
Yes and no... I'm a huge fan of the Game Boy myself, but back in the days the gaming market was veeeeery different. Portable devices for actual gaming were either non existent, or insanely expensive and unpractical (remember at that time laptops were a professional only tool). Now with the Steam Deck coming too (which offers insanely more in terms of pretty much everything), Nintendo is going to be left behind if they don't come up with a significantly more powerful and versatile Switch 2 soon.
The gameboy really did suck though..was a total garbage system with that tiny black and white screen, tin sound, and less power than the original NES. It did have metroid, zelda, and kid icarus though and it was amazing what Nintendo managed to do with that crappy system. The main reason people favored that piece o crap was battery life, it was actually portable because it could be played for hours and hours without changing the batteries. It was also neigh indestructible.
Now the Steam Deck is giving it a run for it' s money
Hardware wise the low end slow steam deck is generations ahead of the switch. the switch is maxwell based and uses ancient arm cores...
i dont see being a competiton for the switch
@@tostadorafuriosa69 it is, and I think probably Microsoft and Sony will get in that wagon too in the future
@@mjetektman9313 i say it isnt because i dont think it appeals to the same consumer. The steam tablet appeals to pc players while switch appeals to nintendo fans, kids or a lot of people who just want to play nintendo exclusives. Also even if it is more powerfull its dosen’t really matter since most people don’t give a shit about raw power if they did the og xbox would have won or the ps3 in the 7 gen yet the wii sold a lot more early on. They care about the games they can play on the console, that is why Sony and especially Nintendo put a lot of emphasis on their exclusives.
@@tostadorafuriosa69 but, remember, Switch has issues playing a lot of titles, and remember that, 30 fps is fine, but 20 or lower, it's not that good to play, can mess up gameplay (used to play at 10 fps or less in a C-70, gameplay was trash, because of the lack of power)