2019 Ram 1500: Why I Chose the HEMI V8 over EcoDiesel | Truck Central *Actual Owner's Review*
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In this episode, let's answer the question that gets asked in the comments of almost every High Mileage Ram video. Gas or Diesel? Which Ram 1500 engine is best?
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*HEMI or ECODIESEL: What's your choice?*
Hemi all day, if your gonna consider a diesel get a Cummins, none of that eco diesel shit
Mini duramax
Bias towards hemi. Own a 2020 ram1500
probs with diesel now are emission and sometime engine shuts off in the middle of nowhere
Hemi is for me I love the Cummins but something about the sound of a hemi it just purrs and there also really reliable
Getting 800 plus miles between fill-ups on my 2022 ecodiesel 4x4 (large 30+ gallon tank). Only 2K miles on it. Expect that to improve over time. 26+ mpg combined city / hwy. Had a 2018 2nd gen ecodiesel before this one with the 3.92 rear end. 3rd gen turbo lag much improved over 2nd gen and the 2022 has a 3.21 rear end that outperforms the the 3.92 2nd gen off the line. Hwy mileage with 3rd gen / 3.21 rear end is amazing at 70+ MPH, could never get over 27 MPG in the 2nd gen with the 3.92 rear end. 30+ MPG on level ground with the 3rd gen eco and 3.21 rear end. Not as fun as the Hemi off the line, but all else considered, very happy I went with another ecodiesel.
Got a 2020 ram rebel ecodiesel. 65k on it and no problems.
3.92 out-accelerates a 3.21? You in Australia?
@@zackwhitten7633nice bro I just bought one too yesterday. 34k on it
@@zackwhitten7633how’s it holding up?
It's currently $3200 on a Limited to add the EcoDiesel. Although the resale would likely be higher with the diesel, just going off fuel costs alone it'd take a while to recoup that cost.
EcoDiesel: 21 City, 29 Highway, 24 Combined
Hemi eTorque: 15 City, 21 Highway, 17 Combined
100,000 miles driven each with average combined fuel burned:
Diesel: 4167 gallons @ $4.50/gal = $18751
Hemi: 5882 gallons @ $3.50/gal = $20587
Difference: 1715 gallons, $1.00/gal (typical price difference), $1836
This isn't factoring in the added cost of DEF either or variations in favor of either side that would offset the cost. Either way, even a High Mileage driver would take quite a while to recoup the cost. Each engine has it's pros and cons though and the EcoDiesel has it's place and need in the market.
Dude, you are in Biden's America, Diesel is through the roof and only going to get worse. Diesel drivers are literally fuked
You my friend are the real MVP💯
Ive ben trying to brake this down and decide which is the best engine option and you just helped me confirm my decision🙌👍
Thanks
Diesel Is discontinued wonder if that hurts its resale value
I literally just bought a 2022 RAM Limited with the HEMI a week ago. The Eco Diesel was available but did not make economic sense for me. My needs are very different than yours, but we came to the same conclusion. I only drive 10k to 12k per year so the added $3k to $4k up front for the Eco Diesel would never be realized. First off as a general rule of thumb a diesel will get about 20-30% better fuel economy over a gas-powered truck. This sounds great until you realize that diesel fuel is 15-25% more expensive than gasoline. Add the DEF and the added maintenance costs and you will never recoup that money. I guess if you towed a lot, it would theoretically be possible to recoup your initial investment. I think that RAM would have been smart to go with a small inline 6 diesel. It would be sort of a "Baby Cummins." It may not be a better motor, but I bet the take rate would be higher. Another big problem with diesels in general is the high cost of repairs on the emissions systems and fuel delivery systems. Many of these issues could probably be solved but diesel has gotten way too much negative publicity to be viable in non-commercial (non-HD) uses. So, for all of those reasons I chose a gasoline powered HEMI instead of the Eco Diesel. All of this is just my opinion, and I am sure that many folks will disagree.
Solid points John. The smaller version of the Cummins is a good idea. Not too dissimilar to the old 6BT and 4BT setups. Congrats on the new truck and thanks for watching!
As a truck driver, I can say without question, that the emissions systems on newer diesels are junk. So, yes, my Ram is Hemi powered.
Get a diesel and delete it!👌
You made the correct choice. I have had 2 eco diesels for work trucks a 2017 and a 2020 both were gutless turds. Both have left me stranded on the side of the side of the road. I had better experience with a ford 6.4 diesel.
Con with the eco-diesel is no exhaust/engine braking. That was a deal breaker for me as I tow alot in the mountains.
You’re right. Huge oversight!
I love my 2019 Ram Laramie. The eight speed transmission is incredible. Your right, it is like driving a sports car on a truck frame. Love the acceleration fun factor in this truck. I joined the 3 digit mph club when I passed three cars and a truck doing 60 mph when the speed limit was 75. I nailed it, and passed the fourth vehicle at around 115! That was incredibly impressive to me! Love that Hemi. She really moves out when she wants to.
I don’t think I’ve ever had this truck to 115, but I have no doubts she could do it. Thanks for watching!
I have a 2019 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi, mine tops out at 107 mph. I don’t know how yours could possibly hit 115 mph unless the governor was removed. Power wise the truck could easily hit that speed, but I know for a fact it’s limited at that. I know the TRX is able to hit 118 mph, but that’s a TRX.
@@cavcoproductions I own a 2020 Ram 1500 Lone Star/Big Horn 5.7 Hemi it hits 115 nice and smooth before I get the “hey cut that out…you’ve had enough fun”. I guess it’s just what your truck is set to, but 107 is a pretty odd number. I’ve only heard of the cap usually being set to 100 mph, or 115 mph
Justin, good to see you again. I’m a gasser. All the way. Had to deal with DEF at work, no fun there. And without a doubt, the sound from a HEMI is the best in my opinion. My 2020 Longhorn sounds good now, but I do plan on putting on the Mopar Performance exhaust like on the new 2022 Ram with the GT package.
Same here. Lots of Cummins experience in my work life. They are great motors, but I hate dealing with DEF.
I think someone pulled the mufflers off mine before I bout it used. It sound wicked!
I had a heavy duty diesel truck, finding a diesel mechanic was sometimes hard, not all shops can work on diesels. When you find one they are usually slammed with work. Love diesel trucks, just more food for thought.
Yeah good point. I didn’t have many issues with my Cummins. It was always a DEF problems or a transmission problem. But every time it went down it was in the shop for a month.
I love the gas motors. Much more affordable.
I have been driving diesels for almost 20 years and hated to go back to a gasser but the 2016 ecodiesel I had was in the shop more than it was out. Almost every problem it had revolved around emissions. I my opinion the EPA has ruined the diesel engine and its long time durability. All those pro's about the ecodiesel were true but it is not enough for me to go back to one until changes are made to all the emission BS. I know that is not going to happen so I am having to be content with a hemi. Don't get me wrong, the hemi does run and sound great but I do a lot of towing in the summer and the fuel milage is about half that of the ecodiesel and I was not smart enough to find out how big the gas tanks was. I assumed it was at least 26 gallon. Nope, 23 gallon. That gives me about a 180 mile range. Don't get me started on the genius that decided that was a good idea. Rant over. Be cool!
For legal reasons, the EPA is fantastic, we have nothing bad to say 👍👍 In reality, they screwed up diesel trucks in a major way.
Very helpful video. Was about to buy a RAM 1500 and then the Plandemic hit and prices skyrocketed. My one choice unmade... was the engine. This really settled the issue for me.
I would take Hemi hands down.
I had a feeling you’d say that! 😝
High MPG is nice but smiles per gallon is so much funner!
The first eco diesel was a flop remember the ref flashed the ecu and it was never the same
That was the worst!! There are still people to this day who will never bring their truck to the dealership because they’re afraid of accidentally getting the ecu reflash.
@@TruckCentral The only problem about that is some states, Ca for sure, won't let you register the truck unless you have the updates performed. I have a 06 2500 Cummins, ordered a 22 1500 Limited. I tried to justify an Ecodiesel, but I couldn't after weighing the pro/con like you did. I tow occasionally 6500 lbs MAX on a flatbed car trailer. I ended up with the Hemi Etorque and 3.92 gear. It should be here in a few weeks.
Diesel gets better mileage but yet you’re paying significantly more per gallon with added DEF costs.
Curious question: What about the 5.7 HEMI vs 3.6L Pentastar V6 with eTorque?
Why Mister? Weirds me out every time you say it
I'd get the Limited but it's not available with a bench style front seat. And what sucks is my 2019 Laramie had the really neat reclining rear seats but my 2022 Laramie didn't have that awesome feature. It's so horrible when they drop a good thing. They also got rid of the 4 way lumbar. I'm OK with that but those reclining rear seats really were great. Prost 🌲☀️
That’s BS … I own a 2021 ecodiesel and I haven’t get 29mpg on the highway not even once .. is always on 21mpg max … RAM lied to everyone about the mpg in the ecodiesel engine and maintenance are ridiculous expensive
I drive cdl truck for a living. When I was truck shopping last year I couldn't decide between a cummins 2500 -eco-hemi. So I drove all 3 brand new. The 2500 cummins was out cause I drive a rough ass cdl truck all day. The eco was my next choice until I drove it. It can't get out of its own way when you need it to. Just to slow. So I went with the hemi for that extra power and for the ride quality. I decided if I'm paying 60k for a truck I want it to be comfortable to drive. I tow snowmobile trailers in the winter and dirtbikes in the summer. Yes I would love the 2500 for that but most of my driving is un loaded so comfort and the fun factor won out for me
You’re not wrong - they did a recall on ecodiesels a few years ago for emissions related reasons. The trucks before that were actually pretty quick! Either way, sounds like the Hemi is a good fit for you. You already get good mileage most of the day, might as well enjoy your truck when you’re on your own time 👍
6.7 Diesel all day!!!!
Hemi is overrated to me because everyone I know who owns one is arrogant and has to let you know that they "Own" a Hemi.
Hemi is faster and more fun?
Ecodiesel gets better mpg and tows better?
Let me start by saying I don’t think you’re wrong. But I do think the ecodiesel has gotten a really bad rep for what could(key word) be a fantastic engine. I am the current owner of a 2015 ecodiesel. My father in law has a 2020 hemi. With that said fuel mileage is hugely better in the ecodiesel. My average combined city and highway is better than his best highway mpg. I don’t think of half ton trucks a major tow vehicles no matter the engine. If you’re really going to be using a truck to tow a lot get an HD. That’s what they are made for. But as far as towing with mine the most I tow is my side by side. Even with full windshield on an open flatbed trailer I can get 15-16mpg at 75mph. Everyone brings up DEF. The ecodiesel uses so little def it’s a joke to think it makes any difference in a decision versus gas. A full def tank on the 1500 will last you 8500-10,000 miles. DEF never touches the engine so to me it carries no weight in the argument. If you want a 3 letter acronym to blame for ecodiesel engines it’s EPA. The emissions systems are the demise of the engine. The big fire hazard recall was for Egr coolers failing leaking coolant into the engine. They have had some other issues too but I will say this. My 2015 is my favorite truck I’ve ever driven. It has given me some grief with emissions components and coolant leaks but when everything is right it is fantastic. To be fair mine is completely deleted so that resolved most of the big issues with the truck. I just think of it this way if the world were a different place I would bet the ecodiesel would be a huge seller. Just my 2 cents.
3.0 Duramax destroys 3.0 Ecodiesel
No love for the 3.0 Powerstroke and its timing belt?
Yeah good luck getting a oil pump belt inspection when you’re warranty runs out lol gm engineering to its finest lmao.
@@7thkev519 it gets replaced at 150k miles and oh no I hope the engine doesn’t explode omg what should I do?!?!
@@adriansienko3619 you probably didn’t understand my point.
GM has been building trucks for decades and yet they couldn’t engineer another way to place the oil pump without removing the transmission.
GM has been going downhill for a while now, they are having to many problems with engines destroying their pushrods, 8 speed trans issues and the fact that you need to remove the transmission for a oil pump replacement at 150k is just mediocrity for GM despite building trucks for decades and was once known as the best reliable pickup trucks back then.
And no the engine won’t explode but it will put a hole on your wallet because at 150k miles you’re warranty would of have expired and now you have to pay out of pocket for around $1,000-$2,000 just for a oil pump replacement.
Adrian Sienko The current Eco-Diesel has 260 hp and 480 pound ft torque!
Seems like HEMI is a good option for people that buy trucks for looks or to haul a bag of dog food. If you're going to really tow or haul i'd get the diesel, I severely regret my 5.7 decision, its a complete wimp on towing and hauling near capacity throw a hill or mountain in front of it and forget it. The HEMI struggles SO badly towing that you can just feel the truck doesn't like it and it almost feels like you are shortening the life of the engine by the mile. You had better get your wallet out if you're going to tow/haul with that gas engine. I also think the DEF issue is way overstated, you can even buy DEF at the pump at many truck stops now days.
I struggled with this decision. I ended up with a gas one just because the diesel’s were non existent to buy used and were like 10k more. However, my gas one only gets like 16 mpg combined. However, the power of the Hemi is nuts! I’m constantly finding myself only slightly pushing down the pedal. I’ve only floored it once and it’s really got some serious push with my 34” tires!!!
I would say that my inner man child sheafs some tears for not getting the diesel. However when I put my foot into the Hemi, he’s happy in a whole nother unexpected way!
So on a 2019 level, I can conquer with the hemi versus the 2nd gen diesel that was prior. With the 3rd gen now, I'm absolutely all in on my 3.0l over the Hemi. Driven both, Hemi a little more off the line but that's what my 392 Charger is for... not a truck.
Also wondering if you have disabled your MDS system or not thank you .. great content I have a 19 Laramie and knock on wood, love it so far
The higher price of Diesel fuel + DEF, erases most of the fuel economy benefit.
I test drove a 2015 eco today. 150k miles. Still undecided. I’m still thinking a Ford eco boost is better.
I wish you could use an ecodiesel for a month or two of your job, and let us know your opinion
I agree that the HEMI offers a whole lot more if the fun factor in driving. Despite some people's bad experiences, it's a pretty rock solid engine. I just wish that it got better mileage. There should be an econo mode tune that we could simply switch over to for those times that we was to conserve fuel; and a beast mode tune that we could open it up on a track, or off-road. They could include it with the Tow/Haul mode switch.
Similarly, I do like the new EcoDiesel! The version used in the gen5 RAM 1500 is a newer and better version than the one used in the gen4 trucks. It's a great engine, but it runs better on European spec Diesel. That's why some people are running into problems with the current model. They're pumping Diesel 2, because it's cheaper than Diesel 1. Most folks don't know the difference, but suffice to say that if you run Diesel 1 with the newer EcoDiesel, there will be fewer problems and repairs down the road.
Some guys tune the EcoDiesel for sport; and it can surprise s lot if people, for what it can do. I wouldn't do it, because I'd be towing and hauling with it.
I also agree with you on long distance driving. While I like the idea of having sn 800+ mike range on one tank, I need to stop randomly, even if just to get a coffee, of cold drink... as well as for the ole bio-break. I will sometimes pull a marathon run for the entire distance of my tank's range, though. Usually when it's an overnight run.
With an aftermarket tuner you can make quick adjustments between economical and performance modes, but it isn’t as easy as it is on some vehicles that come with that option from the factory. That would be a nice option.
@@MrJustinWheeler
I was thinking that it would be nice to just choose a drive mode before starting the engine, rather than having to flash the ECM (which takes 10-15 minutes to backup the original program PLUS another 10-15 minutes to load the new program,) 😋
Great video. I also went with the Hemi. What tires do you have on your truck? Looks sharp
Thank you! In that clip I’ve got the Nitto Ridge Grapplers in 305/45/22. However I recently got some new Toyos. Vid on that coming soon. Thanks for watching!
Have a 2018 Ecodiesel Laramie (100,000km) 62k miles. Installed a Banks Derringer two years ago.
Perhaps I’m the exception here but this truck/engine combo has been outstanding. Zero issues, and incredible performance pulling a 7,000lb travel trailer through the Rockies. Absolutely love this configuration.
Too many jump on the bandwagon about emissions and issues this engine once had.
How much didnyou pay to fix that crack at your windshield
How many idle hours do you have now ?
Love the videos on your ram. Keep ‘em coming! Lots of great insight that I have been the lucky recipient for my ‘21. When do you expect to drop your Toyo review? I’m dying to get these Goodyears off!
Tomorrow!
Still own a 2014 Ram Ecodiesel and I'm ready to trade-in. Loved the engine and the truck in general but the service experience was always a minimum of two weeks for any repair or recall at the dealership while under warranty. The excuse always was they only had one diesel tech. I'm going back to gasoline for my next Ram.
Yup def doesn't help for real even with dump trucks Def it says it helps but it dont at all just more money and it still would break down because of it thats why I wouldn't get diesel that's only think that sucks the def
Hello everyone, my name is Michael, I was a dumbass and bought a 2018 Eco Diesel. (Couldn’t afford the Cummins) Dodge finally agreed to fix my timing chain cover and has kept my truck for a month now. I’m the second owner of this truck. I called Chrysler and checked on to see if this timing chain cover leak repair is covered under the original warranty and come to find out this truck has had 3 prior side of the road breakdowns. So I’ve learned my lesson. Oh well live and learn. God bless guys.
What tires did you put on?
That’s the next video!
@@TruckCentral awesome! Looking forward to it. Love to know what you tried and what worked. I HATE the stock tires that came fitted, like riding on ice in just rain let alone snow. Tire shops are giving vague answers on a better solution.
I got my 2019 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel during Covid 2020 at 17k off MSRP
The decision for me was easy. There are no diesel stations between me and my job. Diesel was never an option
Whereabouts are you from where diesel isn't an option? It isn't as common in my home town, but there are a few stations that carry it.
@@MrJustinWheeler Mexico, lol. We had a big change on fuel laws a few years ago, so all the gas stations changed brand and we now have a similar system to the US, where each gas station has its own gas prices. That unfortunately means that getting diesel is harder now, since not all gas stations carry it anymore. In my case, I would have to drive an extra 10 minutes past my job to the nearest gas station that has diesel.
I have a 2021 GMC denali with the 3.0 I-6 Duramax turbo diesel and I'm getting 35-37 mpg highway, and 27-29 mpg city. Has just over 6500 miles on it. This destroys the eco-diesel.
I don't believe those numbers. But you're right the 3L Duramax is a better engine, largely because the EcoDiesel suffers from a serious throttle input delay when you push the gas at low speeds..
Ohh that smell from the def makes me nauseous but with gas prices nowadays 1.60 a litre in Canada I wish I went with an EcoDiesel 😞 we are getting the shaft from our governments with these gas prices
Yeah that diesel price is looking better every day!
@@MrJustinWheeler diesel is more expensive around 10 cents more where I live but with the extra mileage it's better than gas 1200km a tank with the EcoDiesel 500km with my Hemi 😂
Where I live diesel is anywhere from 15% to 30% more expensive than gasoline. However, if I travel away from the city then the gap becomes a bit smaller. Add the initial higher cost at purchase, higher maintenance costs, prices for emission/fuel system failure repairs and math just did not make sense. I would have to really want a diesel for it to make sense. I mean I can afford the higher costs, but I choose not to.
Hey great channel , what are you doing for a career that puts you on the road in a longhorn for living ?
$150 bucks CDN to fill my Eco diesel.. gets me 900km on a tank..
26 mpg @ 70 and plenty of towing power I'm good with the eco. Delete coming soon 😁
Your job looks so great just drive across the country, I'd love that.
I love how I can drive just over 600 miles on a single tank of gas when I'm doing primarily highway driving. 2019 Limited, 5.7 Hemi eTorque with 3.92 gears highway driving gets me about 20.5mpg. My 2016 5.7 Hemi got about 1mpg better with the 3.21s.
thats nice. My 2021 EcoDiesel Limited gets about 20-28mpg . About 600 miles per tank too . Love it so much
If you have a diesel and don’t drive a semi you compensating
Is there any way to add paddle shifters to these trucks? If not I'm not getting a ram, I'll just get the F150
The Ram GT trim level has the Hemi and paddle shifters (and a console mounted shifter). Pretty cool package for the price actually
@@TruckCentral doesn't that only come on the Rebel?
More towing videos??
THANK YOU for making this video 💙💙
Thanks for watching!
The 2014 eco-Diesels were taken off the market due to emissions, not FIRES! I have two Grandsons that have them, one a 2014,the other a 2015. My wife also had a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the Eco-Diesel, which she just sold.
This is incorrect. There is an active “risk of fire” recall as well.