I had a general contractor do work at my apartments complex, he was the proud owner of a egodiesel it was white with more chrome strips and yellow reflectors than you can find at your local part store liquidation bin, he always complaining about "how diesel wasn't as cheap as it used the be in the good ol days" So much cringe, I laughed when he totalled it by driving straight into a pond. (In fact he scraped a masonry wall then got mad and blasted his way through bushes into a pond, I'm sad I wasn't there.)
You're wrong about a few things and right about a few. The ecodiesel was not originally a marine engine, it was an engine designed by an Italian company known for their marine diesel engines and that companywas owned by Fiat. The same engine ran reliably all over the world for a decade, and was destined for use in the European Cadillac CTS, but Fiat bought Chrysler in 2014 and the rest is history. I've worked as a contractor all over the world and every auto manufacturer makes a lite duty SUV and Pick up with a diesel and they are great, but cannot be sold in the US. What your right about is, the engine never ran with a complicated emissions system, and that is what created so many failures. But the real problem is the governments war on diesel, Fiat will continue to put the ecodiesel in vehicles outside of uptight western countries where it will run reliably again.
Doesn't European diesel have a much higher cetane rating than American diesel? Some of our, American groups have not been good to diesel fuel. Maybe in preparation for the green new deal?
@@LucasLeCompteMusic Well, I propose that come this January maybe February at the latest, all diesel owners come forth and let Congress and Trump know the importance of cetane and lubricity. I would love to see the levels back up as near to 8,9,10 as possible. The incoming US Congress will be much more willing to listen than the current one.
In my experience with the EcoDiesel, as long as you use it for longer drives to let the engine get up to temperature, you will see less failures. Lost count on the number of DPF fails and people claim it's because people dont drive long enough so the filters clogg up.
Ya pretty much! a cold engine produces a lot of soot, Secondly a cold aftertreatment system can't burn off any soot. so it is a compounding factor which is why people have DPF issues. overtime DPF's will need to be replaced but running them hot will dramatically increase lifespan!
3.0 Duramax here, and zero issues in 100k miles! Not 1 problem! Had a Ram and issue after issue! Moved on……This 3.0 Dmax tows better than my 6.4 Hemi Ram and gets 14mpgs towing. Diesel power still is the best way to go!
Agreed 👍 100k with no issues, that's good to know cuz I have the 3.0 duramax and love it. Only 8k but hear nothing but good about it. Also It being an inline six is just an overall better design for diesel.
We towed a 4runner on a flatbed with my buddies ram 1500 with the 3.0 eco diesel. He got 28 mpg from aspen to woodland park at 8000'. He loves that truck and has had zero problems with it.
If I could get a Duramax in a Yukon AT4, I'd be driving one already. Won't fit! But I've heard nothing but good things, as long as you plan ahead for the timing belt repair years in the future.
@@hahaadventures4838 Absolutely and thx. I knew that - mixed up the parts. That LZ0 supposedly has several upgrades. I never saw that belt as a deal breaker, but many did.
I have a Grand Cherokee with the same engine here in Australia. You are quite right about the type of usage having a great effect on longevity. I use mine mainly for highway work and towing a 3500 KG trailer. I also change the oil every 10000 KM. It has been absolutely fantastic choice for me as it has given me 220000 KM in 9 years of trouble free ownership.
Two friends are getting rid of their eco diesel Jeeps, as they both have overheating issues in Canadian summers @@TheGettyAdventures, they are always going into limp mode when climbing on the highway….then there are the filter issues! lol
@@thepavementendsnow1901 check radiator expansion cap. 48°c days in Australia , started to get hot ( not boiling ) when pushed hard or towing , replaced the cap and it was fine ever since
the difference between the 6.7 and 8.3 is really not that much. BUT the 6.7 is already the heaviest diesel engine in the segment and the 8.3 would be like a boat anchor in the front of these trucks.
I have a 2016 ecodiesel, just now turn 88879 miles on it. I have had no problems except from recalls and the mechanics not knowing how to fix them. Once they so call fix one and they burnt up my wiring harness. They had to get a guy from Detroit to come down and show them how to do the recall right. If anything goes wrong with these engines they will shut down and you will only go about 15 mph. Now I have another recall due and they don't have the part, still. Been months. When I first bought it, I got about 26 mpg, now about 22 after these recalls. If I go across country it will go back to 24-26 mpg. I drive 20 miles each way back/forth to work each day. I have driven cross country 5 times since I had it. Not scare to go again cross country. Never had a problem out of the motor. I keep the maintenance up to date. I do hate buying this def crap. California started this mess. Now they going all electric. They ought to a recall and delete this mess off these vehicles. My opinion. All these electric vehicles gona come back and bite these purchasers in the tail. I like my ecodiesel. My battery is 7 years old and going strong. Came with the truck. My truck is ram 2016 Laramie Longhorn, 4x4, loaded out with leather seats, heated/cool seats, heated steering wheel. Sunroof. 4 doors. Very comfortable.
I have a 2016 Ram 1500 with the ecodiesel. I have about 112K miles on it and drive it everyday as a commuter, but also pull my 40' 5th wheel, which weighs about 9K pounds around during the summer. I have had more issues with the truck itself than I have had with the engine. I do drive plenty long enough for it to heat up completely, so that might help as well. I think the thing that really killed it is the price point. I think most people would rather buy a 3/4 ton over a 1/2 ton given the small difference in price point, in short, I think the 1500 is over priced when compared to the 3/4 ton price point.
I've got 296,000 miles on my 2016 Ecodiesel. Turbo went out at 275k, and some strange electrical problems that started appearing after the turbo swap, like misfires on one of the cylinders due to a bad wire, bad speed sensor readings etc, ( I think the shop pinched the harness somewhere when they pulled the cab) have been the only major issues it has had. It was also fully deleted at about 40k miles.
"fully deleted" in the US is a federal offense. The EPA is absolutely busting out owners of deleted trucks. All it takes is one employee or service provider to report you to the authorities, and the owner will be in trouble real quick. It's happening all the time. Deleting a diesel to make it reliable is a huge gamble now. I currently own a 21 ram with the 6.7 cummins. If I didn't tow long distances and take long trips, I would have a gasoline engine. You have to run a modern diesel hard to keep the exhaust system clean. I had an 18 Chevy prior to my Ram, and the Duramax is the same way. Run it hard so the exhaust system can clean itself, you'll be fine. If you can't, don't get a diesel.
I had a 2014 Eco since 2015. Fully deleted 2016 and no issues whatsoever. Recently sold it and bought the 2022 Eco, due to them being discontinued. Love this powerplant. But yes it needs to be deleted. Super efficient.
I have always had diesel vehicles. I love both diesel trucks and cars and suvs. We live in a remote area on top of the mountain and we have to commute up and down the mountain all the time and believe me, having that nice turbo on there and that extra torque is definitely amazing when you are coming up over the mountain compared to that of a gas powered car. Unfortunately our previous diesel vehicle had a problem and after 3 weeks of ownership it got returned to the dealership because it was just simply a lemon. It had broken down several times in the 3 weeks that we owned it and we were able to get a full refund. The problem with owning a diesel now is that the price of diesel has skyrocketed to levels that I haven't seen ever. We're not running into potential diesel shortages like in the United States but the local farmers are basically paying more now for diesel to harvest their crops than what they ever have. In the past 2 years, the price of diesel where I live has increased by over 300%. While I still wish that I had a diesel, I'm glad I don't because having the cost of my fuel increased by that much makes it unaffordable to drive. I have friends who own construction companies and Farms or are Tradesmen For Hire that rely on diesel powered vehicles and right now, because of that 300% increase in the price of diesel it's making it unaffordable for them to do business
This engine wasn't originally designed for a marine purpose. That came later. This engine was originally developed for General Motors, for eventual use in European Cadillacs, but GM never used it. It then appeared in the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee and some other car models.
I think the major problem with diesel engines is that most consumers don’t understand how the need to be driven and the importance of proper maintenance. We have a fleet of around 20 diesel pickups and have very few engine problems that I attribute to education of our drivers as to proper driving and our maintenance program. I have a couple of friends with v6 diesel pickups and they love them, however they drive and maintain them properly . In our business we see a lot of the 6 and 8 cylinder diesel truck come through our facility that have major engine problems or are toast due to mouse and/or poor maintenance. The general population just doesn’t understand diesel engines. I said for years that manufacturers would do themselves a great service if they educated customers about diesel engines prior to selling to them. Perhaps then many that simply do not need a diesel would opt for a gas powered truck. As an example, my brother bought an 80 something diesel Olds Cutlass and put over 300,000 miles on it with minimal repairs. I think maybe once he put injectors unit and an injector pump. He understood how to drive and maintain it properly.
I'm honestly not sure what happened with the 5L I know Nissan also discontinued it because of horrible sales numbers but it would of been a rocket ship of an engine in a ram 1500 that's for sure!
@@TheGettyAdventures From what I've heard & seen, that engine wasn't very reliable. Looks like the modern emissions systems (much like the RAM ecodiesel) didn't mix with the engine design generally. But man, they were able to get the Titan into the 5/8 ton category (exempt from many emissions standards) & 25 mpg on the highway empty would be INSANE for a half-ton
Maybe the 400+ horsepower and 550'+ pounds of torque Would break things on a standard 1500 truck??.. I do know the Dodge Challenger hell cat Has a beefier transmission than the Standard 1500 ram..Cost too much to build A standard truck??
I have a 2015 Eco diesel in a Laramie 4 × 4 .. inand.. RAM they changed the oil recommendations.. That made me 🤔. so I started changing the oil every 5,000/6000 miles instead of the recommended 10,000 miles, At 10000 miles this oil was completely filthy!!.. Knock on wood the truck has a 135000 miles on it now, And I really love this engine, It does not burn any oil And it seems to get 25 miles to gallon highway or city? I don't add a drop to it until the next oil change,.but It is expensive to keep up though, 2 1/2 gallons of synthetic rotella T6, And filter. In a 3 L engine. You just keep pouring the oil in😅.. I think people were trying to hot rod these 3L engines and taking them past the 10,000 oil change? No weird knocking.., But it is a little louder than when it was new.
real tough right now lol and I meant I can't see the 2024 EV ram being under 50k. probably much closer to 100k. how can the average person actually afford that.
I believe most of the EV garbage is Political Theater. Our infrastructure will not handle complete electrification of commercial and noncommercial vehicles. To charge a class 8 vehicle quickly, you’ll need a megawatt charger, which is essentially the power draw of a Walmart Super Center. Unless the rich and powerful want to go extinct, EV vehicles are simply not the answer! Emission systems are the killer of all internal combustion engines period; however, hydrogen technology will kill emissions systems, especially if they can find a way produce clean hydrogen much more efficiently.
The US and Canada has always had an issue with diesels in general where they are applied to general transportation and not heavy trucks and machinery. Throughout the world, most countries are predominately diesel. Never have understood that. As a certified Naval Diesel Inspector, I loved the idea of small diesel in 1/2 ton pickup. I do have a 2017 Ram Eco-diesel and I love it. When I do take it to work, my commute is over 50 minutes so plenty of warmup and drive time. I have not experienced any issues with the engine to this point, 70K miles. It is a shame they are going to discontinue the engine. However, I also think it has something to do the forcing of some states to go electric and going away from fossil fuels. The US government has already hailed California as the model to follow and being in Oregon is just as bad as Cal. Thanks for your insight!!
I think your best point is that of the driving style of the folks buying it. I have a 16 ecodiesel with 140K miles on it. I have had no problems worth mentioning and it still looks, drives and rides like new. But I drive almost 40 mostly highway miles one way to work everday and make a lot of trips between VA and PA. The only time I got a regen message was during the lockdowns. I wasn't driving to work and I was making more short trips to the store and such. I think there is still a place for a 1500 diesel but it should be marketed properly. Diesels are no longer advantageous to people who make mostly short trips. I'll be keeping mine and would buy another. Fuel prices go up and they go down so I'm not too concerned about that. Good video. Thanks.
I own a 2017 ecodiesel, I agree people werent driving them like they should and also werent treating the truck like what it is...a DIESEL! People that have never bought or used a diesel engine treated this truck like a gasser. No warm up and heavy throttle.
Basically all of the problems with diesel engines are caused by government. Considering Europe uses tons of diesel engines and the EPA won't allow those engines over here I don't think the issue is diesel, it's the EPA.
My 3rd gen ED has been absolutely great. I make about 3 trips to California a year. 1500 mile round trip and it gets 33 mpg. Which is awesome. That being said, I’ll more than likely trade it in for the hurricane.
I’m debating on purchasing a diesel simply for the long lasting miles. I drive 120 miles round trip Mon through Fri for work and feel this truck would be perfect.
>> A major part of crude oil is that folks only see the price per barrel. 90% of the crude oil moved in the USA is done by railroad. The railroads charge almost one million dollars per train from point A to point B. The returning empty train to be reloaded costs the shipper five hundred thousand dollars. This does not include the fuel cost of about 23000 gallons of diesel burned off for one delivery, from the Canadian border to Texas refineries. The bottom line is, every barrel of crude now costs $33 more plus the market price. If we had the pipeline President Trump had started, the cost per barrel moved is .33$. Yes, thirty-three cents per barrel. I work for a class one railroad here in Chicago.
Ecodiesel is one of the best diesel engines without emissions period. If you can't delete the emissions don't buy this truck. Transmission is also one of the best on the market 8 speed.
Emissions killed it, and emissions are bringing back the simple diesels especially in older trucks and equipment. I've seen a 80 year old Oliver tilling the lands in the Central Valley of California, in 2022. The owner said he couldn't afford a new Johnny Deere, as the tier 4 final garbage raised the price too much, and the Oliver was still running.
As a truck driver whom runs the current Emission systems we have I can say one of the biggest reasons why I see break downs in the SCR system is heat related problems… it is amazing how much a diesel engine heater can reduce some of these problems…
We have a 2020 ecodiesel in our Jeep Wrangler that my wife drives. It has been driven only 20K miles, to soccer practice, the mall, under 20 miles at a time. Currently it's in the shop for a valve cover leak, which we had a similar low oil pressure issue last year but the remedy was different. Considering trading her in on a gasser..
The problem I have seen , over the years, is that people want to drive them like a gas engine. Then, stack all the emissions garbage on top of it, and it just doesn’t work in that market.
2018 ram ecodiesel here with 90k miles on it. The only issue I’ve ever had with it is the front driver side window actuator breaking. I still average about 32/27 mpg.
I never get above 22.4. I think my turbo is bad. I hear a lot of The of pfapfapfa and a high high pitched cricket sound. Can someone please respond if they agree
From what I understand the GEN three diesel was completely redesigned and all you talked about was basically the first generation I don’t think the new eco-diesel has too many things in common with the first generation. I know a couple guys in on them and they are happy. No, I’m a truck driver and I love diesel engines but I ended up buying a hemi because again like you said the price of diesel versus price of gas makes the diesel motor completely useless
I would not say completely useless. Compared to the super unleaded price because modern engines full timing if you don’t use it and that loses a little bit of MPG. Also consider the towing capability is much more efficient if you’re doing that with a diesel. The next thing is the range. Nothing beats a diesel in long range.
The big plug is that crappy oil pump belt? That sounds expensive to change not to mention you might need oil . How stupid is that design? I bet it breaks the minute your warrenty is up and your on the freeway yep nothing like losing your main bearings
I had a 2018 Eco Diesel. It spun a rod bearing at 88,000 miles. I really loved that pickup.Thank goodness I had an extended warranty but with the waiting 4 to 6 months for a new month definitely made my decision to trade for a 2024 Ram 1500 with a Hemi motor.
Had 2014 Ram Ecodiesel, first engine went 22k miles and started chirping like a bearing was going out. Engine was replaced by Ram in 2018, 2nd engine went 21k and spun #5 connecting rod bearing. The truck was deleted at 7k miles, so no emissions and a straight pipe from 7k on... and still took out 2 engines. It's not the emissions, it's a lack of oil clearance.
As it stands where I live in Southeast Texas the cost of diesel is $1.65 more than regular unleaded. Running the numbers it cost more per mpg using diesel. When you factor in DEF, routine maintenance & higher repair costs for diesel it doesn't make sense to purchase a LD truck with a diesel. Back in the day when diesel cost less or even a little more than gasoline it was advantageous to buy a diesel. Until there's a complete reversal in diesel prices stay with an aspirated gas engine and NOT the turbo gas engine as those are having their own problems. If you really want a diesel it seems the GM 3.0 Duramax coupled with the 10 speed tranny is a good choice and has good reviews.
Yea I have a old second gen 12 valve it gets decent mileage, zero engine problems and I have a tdi jetta same deal . However even though both get better mileage the price offset make buying a half ton diesel.not attractive to me
I think beyond design issues, it also suffered from an identity crisis or a perception problem and you touch briefly on this saying it might not be best implemented in a truck. Because it's in a truck, we have a certain set of expectations for what it should be able to do. We expect higher torque, towing capacity, all of the things we've grown accustomed to with larger, more traditional diesel engines. But that's not really a niche it could ever fill. It's not like a 6BT but smaller. Or even a 4BT but more refined. It's more like a VW passenger car TDI engine, but bigger. It's smooth, quiet and efficient just like we expected those smaller diesels to be and really leans into those benefits but the performance needed to get to the towing and torque expectations, while also hamstrung by the emissions stuff, was just too much of a reach.
My 2014 I canceled all the emissions it works great 26 miles a gallon in the city 34 on the highway 24 miles a gallon when I’m towing 7000 pounds With 10 ply tires
Strip the emissions if you don't live where they don't do the checks and they are great pickups. This was the first small diesel in a half ton pickup. Was a great idea. They could have done better. But I love my 2015.
@@asherdie It was the first true diesel engine in a half ton truck. The 1978 Chev-GMC half tons had an Oldsmobile 350 engine converted to run on diesel fuel. They were one of the worst engines ever.
@@zayoutlaw and the Ram 50 had up to an 2000 pound payload with a diesel, small truck but definitely "1/2 ton" rated. And if my memory serves I believe international had a diesel half ton. Dodge had a Mitsubishi option also.
Earlier versions had some major quality problems and 3 liters is a bit small for the application. Also the "Inflation Control Act" was mostly remnants of the "Green New Deal" and is 'encouraging' migration to electric.
"Encourage" lmao I love how a 1000 ft 250ton ship can roll coal across the oceans every single day using a barrel every minute. And ship dismantlers burning EVERYTHING, and pouring out toxic fluids. BUT WE IN THE USA ARE THE PROBLEM....
Why not design a ~4L inline 6 in the same vein as the 6bt, except smaller. Change some materials to save a bunch of weight where it's feasible, without compromising reliability. But maybe I'm wrong....
I have 2.0 cdti in my opel astra j 2013. I put over 100k on it and it runs great. My commute is 100 miles a day 5 days a week and no def fluid system. I have not had to touch the engine at all other than oil and filter changes. Oh and it can go 250 km/h an hour. ( needs a lot room on the autobahn) but I am very happy with her and hope to put at least 400k km/h on her before she gives up. Side note to get the best fuel economy for her on the autobahn keep her at 120 km/h and set cruise control. My mpg is 5.2 liters per 100 km. But I can get 4.9 if I really try. Small turbo diesels are great if used in the right application. And yes I do not use her as short drive commuter ie grocery store. Fuel economy goes into the toilet if I do that
It didn’t fail the 2020+ in the 5th gens is outstanding. What’s changed is Ram’s grand plan for the 1500 certainly in part due to our our out of control government. The Hemi & Pentastar will also go away. Instead of 3 engine choices based on your priorities you will only get a triplicate of choice of one engine in 3 versions. A single turbo 6 cylinder gas, the same plus a big battery & electric motor, and a twin turbo HO version. The bean counters win at least until the public decides whether this continues Ram market share gain on Ford & GM or whether don’t settle for this and Ram loses market share.
Former 2015 EcoDiesel owner here. Engine died after only 70k miles. The asking price for a new engine was around 12k USD. Never got any help from my dealership nor FCA. I’m done with Chrysler. What a mistake buying this POS engine. And don’t get me started with my driving habits. I drive over 30k miles a year 80% highway and 20% city.
Gas $3.25 a gallon, diesel $5.25 a gallon plus the cost of exhaust fluid. A well known gas burner will go around 300,000 miles practicality trouble free. A new diesel starts having emissions related problems darn near right away all the while being the more expensive option. The EPA has ruined diesel engines with their unchecked over reach. The EPA does not consist of elected officials and therefore should not be regulating anything. The EPA should be enforcement only. Plus large semi trucks should probably switch back to gasoline burning engines. Perhaps the cost of fuel won't be a dollar a mile and they won't be in the shop constantly with emissions problems.
The Ram is hands down the biggest POS in the truck market. The Cummins was it's saving grace. With the 3.0 they finally had an engine that lived up to the quality of their trucks.
Ram stated that they are discontinuing the ecodiesel to replace it with an electric motor, the guy had stated that it was 1,000 miles on a full tank and was hyping it up so much, everyone loved the ecodiesel, it was one of the best engines for the 1500, they’re honestly stupid for discontinuing the engine. If they want to replace an engine with an electric motor, replace the etorque for an electric motor, not the diesel, they’re stupid for that.
So-Called modern emissions systems have single-handedly destroyed the diesel engine for passenger vehicles in light duty trucks, I can't believe that the little bit of extra emissions is not offset by a 10 plus MPG gain in fuel efficiency
The Washington State Attorney General went after a diesel shop and fined them and the truck owner something close to $30k for deleting the emissions. The EPA and the local Clean Air Agencies (you probably have one!) are getting bold in going after vehicle modifications.
Light truck divers want V8s, heavy duty drivers want big diesels, North Americans don't know how to drive diesels. I have a ram 4.7, didn't drive it during lock down, took it out, towed my trailer, blew up the engine, still, replaced the engine with a new crate engine, works fine.
Main reason I did not go with the eco diesel in my 22 RAM is for the reasons you stated. My driving habits are not condusive to the needs of a modern diesel engine. Also the maintenance costs can be much higher due to all of the emission equipment. Cost of diesel fuel is another consideration along with the initial purchase cost. It just didn't make any sense for me. I hear people complaining about the fuel mileage with the 5.7 HEMI but I have actually averaged around 18mpg over 10k miles of mixed city hwy driving with a little bit of towing my 6Klb boat. If I am gentle I can easily get over 21mpg on the hwy. It is much more fuel efficient than the 09 RAM I had and is pretty close to the F150 I had with the 2.7 eco boost. I also had an F150 with a 3.5 eco boost and it actually got about the same fuel mileage as the RAM until you went into BOOST mode then it drank fuel like crazy. Personally I like simple for my truck whenever possible. If I were buying an HD truck I would likely go with the gas engine unless I needed the extra towing capacity or if I was gonna use it for "hot-shot" duty. Ford is probably right because I have seen very few of the F150 Powerstrokes on the road around here and we are pretty flush with pickup trucks.
@@fightthelies4349 yes but the added cost of diesel fuel plus the higher maintenance costs offset a lot of that higher efficiency. Also for me personally I don't drive enough long distance for it to make sense. I love diesel powerplants when they make sense. For my use case it is not the proper tool.
@@JHuffPhoto yeah he got it back when diesel was the same or less than gas. I did a 3.4 swap in my second gen 4runner and get 18 on the highway and I'd swear we pay about the same per Mile because of the ridiculous price of gas. The 3.0 that was in there I was lucky to get 10mpg it was awful. And slow.
I bought one of these truck new in 2015. Only made it 6 years to 117k miles before it blew up. To fix it would have been more than the truck was worth, so i sold it for what I could get. Never buying a Ram product again.
OMG! Just picked up my new pickup 2500 with cummins 6.7l diesel (11-16-2022). I bought it because I thought I could tow more and more powerful. I'm horrified that I made an $80K mistake after video and comments!
Just ordered a 2023 3.0 Chevy diesel 1500 trailboss, 305 hp with 495 torque in a half ton mated to a 10 speed. Hopefully the next president will support our local oil and gas industry and we can get the price of diesel down!
@@TheGettyAdventures that’s a shame, wish we could drill and refine more. I was kinda bummed after placing my order seeing the diesel spike up it’s $5.31 a gallon in utah.
Ford is correct. I work at a Ford dealership. I don’t think we sold more than 2 or 3 during the time they made them. It didn’t really have any advantages over the gasoline engine. It didn’t even tow as much as the eco boost or 5.0 liter. No advantage
I think what killed the ford was the price. Ford specifically stated it was because the EcoBoost sold way better, well that's because they were cheaper and a lot of people just want an f150 without caring what kind of engine they have.
My brother inlaw bought a ford150 twin turbo, I bought the ram eco. 3.twin turbo gas vs 3.0 turbo diesel: I get 23+ mpg, he gets 17 mpg. If I go on a long trip without traffic I get 27+, he gets 18.2 max, I don't know if its deliberately programmed into the trucks or what but it don't make sense, how can a twin turbo 3.5 be about same as a 5.7 heni?
I've got an first gen Eco diesel in a 2012 WK2 jeep ( US factory Export to Australia ) DPF but no DEF. 350,000kms 6100 hrs it's almost given up after being hydrolocked with bent rods. but in all honesty it was extremely efficient powerful, original injectors completely un opened. only 4x4 with a good towing capacity and efficiency on the market then. 0-100kph in 2.2 tonne in 8sec. Everything else on the market here is 4 cylinder. The 2.8 "duramax" made by same company as the eco diesel was the highest output you could get here.
I have a 2021 ecodiesel and I love it, overall. I presume it came with gen 3, but mine will alert me to needing to drive at high speeds while it burns out and lets me know when it is done. It has really been a beast when needed and great mileage when not. I am concerned about the longevity and more so now that it has been cancelled (just found about it with this video today ... ugh). I have a wide range of trucks of various sizes and engine, this has been my overall favorite.
Wow, you couldn't be much more wrong. An engine that won multiple awards in the Ram, Wrangler, and Gladiator. It is a GREAT engine in all three applications. You just need to take a look at the recent regulatory pushes, to understand why the light duty diesels, and the Dodge 6.2L Hellcat engines are going away. Interesting, by your logic, the Hellcat engine was a failure, because it to is being discontinued with the MY23 vehicles.
I’m not very familiar with the engine itself but I am a diesel mechanic working on larger Cummins diesel in a transit fleet. If not for the emissions equipment diesel engines are equipped with I believe they would be great in a normal vehicle like a pickup but only if you are someone who does a lot of highway commuting. Stop and go city driving will definitely start clogging up the particulate filter with these
Diesels aren't practical for a passenger trucks used for daily use/commuting. Most people don't keep up on the maintenance (fuel filters, oil changes, etc). Also, the more emission crap you put on a diesel, the less reliable it becomes. Look at the early 12v Cummins...it's bullet proof! The reason is it's just an engine with an exhaust system. It doesn't have all of the particulate filter garbage or DEF fluid requirements. The EPA kills everything that's good and reliable.
DEF systems is what killing the modern diesel engines. Even in the big trucks. Having it deleted, gives more power and made them more efficient. That's just what I've noticed in the recent years.
I think it really doesn't help that the added cost of getting the diesel and the added cost of the fuel, means that most people would never see a ROI over a gas.
All the pollution stuff on the engines derates a diesel engine. If you get rid of that then you have a runner. I have an 05 GMC 3500 bought it new, I don't run it in the city as a daily driver, diesels need to be driven, get to a running temperature and need to breath, not be choked by all the crap on them now..
Thank God for the third GEN eco-diesel. Incredible engine performance wise. Low pressure EGR system after DPF. Use the Mopar 5W - 40 oil and half a bottle of ZDDP from redline oil. After warranty switch to redline oil diesel. Change your oil and use a genuine filter every 4000 miles. Torque the filter to 18 foot pounds. Install a ram Derringer bundle from banks. Monitor the shoot with the banks Idash. If you educate yourself and learn, you’ll be fine for hundreds and hundreds of thousands miles. In the future, the value of these trucks, especially the gladiator eco-diesel will high. Thank God I got one before they’re all gone.
What would you think of a new 2023 eco diesel in a jeep gladiator? The dealers are offering steep discounts (with warranties) In a lighter vehicle that isn’t doing heavy towing would you have decent reliability? The torque profile is really impressive for the segment.
At 30+ mpg traveling ill take the diesel. No gas compares in the 1500. Although the gm 6.2 does really well if u keep it around 72-75mph it'll get 22-24mpg
I agree, I also own a echo diesel. They're not for people who live in the city. That is a fact, but they offer a Great-Power package with good fuel economy the. Reason Ram ditched the echo diesel. It's because they were Focusing more on the Electric Stuff coming out. Also, the new hurricane motor too many projects on the table one had to go
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Well... I'm deleted averaging 25mpg in a 1/2 ton 4x4 crew cab. I'd rather have that than a 14mpg f150
Didn’t fail epa killed it get it right
@@chrisholifield8571 the power boost f150 gets 25 mpg in the city and highway with 430 hp and 570 pd ft tq
I had a general contractor do work at my apartments complex, he was the proud owner of a egodiesel it was white with more chrome strips and yellow reflectors than you can find at your local part store liquidation bin, he always complaining about "how diesel wasn't as cheap as it used the be in the good ol days"
So much cringe, I laughed when he totalled it by driving straight into a pond. (In fact he scraped a masonry wall then got mad and blasted his way through bushes into a pond, I'm sad I wasn't there.)
The EPA and environmental concerns have stifled diesel engines in everything.
that's the real truth. diesel is dead
It has been their plan for 35+ years to destroy the Diesel.
Oh no they are trying to protect the environment we live in.
@@TheGettyAdventures no it’s not
@@TheGettyAdventures no it’s not
You're wrong about a few things and right about a few.
The ecodiesel was not originally a marine engine, it was an engine designed by an Italian company known for their marine diesel engines and that companywas owned by Fiat. The same engine ran reliably all over the world for a decade, and was destined for use in the European Cadillac CTS, but Fiat bought Chrysler in 2014 and the rest is history. I've worked as a contractor all over the world and every auto manufacturer makes a lite duty SUV and Pick up with a diesel and they are great, but cannot be sold in the US. What your right about is, the engine never ran with a complicated emissions system, and that is what created so many failures. But the real problem is the governments war on diesel, Fiat will continue to put the ecodiesel in vehicles outside of uptight western countries where it will run reliably again.
Fair enough! Thanks for the info. But one thing is forsure the emissions on modern diesel are killing them.
Doesn't European diesel have a much higher cetane rating than American diesel? Some of our, American groups have not been good to diesel fuel. Maybe in preparation for the green new deal?
@@hollywinsman9464 Correct. Obama lowered the sulfur in US diesel.
@@LucasLeCompteMusic Well, I propose that come this January maybe February at the latest, all diesel owners come forth and let Congress and Trump know the importance of cetane and lubricity. I would love to see the levels back up as near to 8,9,10 as possible. The incoming US Congress will be much more willing to listen than the current one.
Cummins had a great diesel also until the tree huggers demanded emissions systems on all diesel engines
In my experience with the EcoDiesel, as long as you use it for longer drives to let the engine get up to temperature, you will see less failures. Lost count on the number of DPF fails and people claim it's because people dont drive long enough so the filters clogg up.
Ya pretty much! a cold engine produces a lot of soot, Secondly a cold aftertreatment system can't burn off any soot. so it is a compounding factor which is why people have DPF issues. overtime DPF's will need to be replaced but running them hot will dramatically increase lifespan!
Diesel engines are the most reliable design, easily lasting over a million miles, until these EPA regulations start ruining them.
@@seanwieland9763 in city driving conditions?
So you're admitting it's a crap design? I've ALWAYS driven off the INSTANT its running and never had a problem... with better built engines.
@@fm2dmax DPF delete, EGR delete, DEF delete, and then maybe it’ll be reliable.
Love my 3L Duramax Silverado. High 40 MPG, 33 Hwy Average and 26.7 MPG Avg since purchase. 45,000 miles so far on the 2020.
3.0 Duramax here, and zero issues in 100k miles! Not 1 problem! Had a Ram and issue after issue! Moved on……This 3.0 Dmax tows better than my 6.4 Hemi Ram and gets 14mpgs towing. Diesel power still is the best way to go!
Agreed 👍 100k with no issues, that's good to know cuz I have the 3.0 duramax and love it. Only 8k but hear nothing but good about it. Also It being an inline six is just an overall better design for diesel.
We towed a 4runner on a flatbed with my buddies ram 1500 with the 3.0 eco diesel. He got 28 mpg from aspen to woodland park at 8000'. He loves that truck and has had zero problems with it.
If I could get a Duramax in a Yukon AT4, I'd be driving one already. Won't fit! But I've heard nothing but good things, as long as you plan ahead for the timing belt repair years in the future.
@@ktpinnacle it’s a timing chain not belt. The oil pump is a belt and has now been upgraded to 200k miles for changeout intervals.
@@hahaadventures4838 Absolutely and thx. I knew that - mixed up the parts. That LZ0 supposedly has several upgrades. I never saw that belt as a deal breaker, but many did.
I have a Grand Cherokee with the same engine here in Australia. You are quite right about the type of usage having a great effect on longevity. I use mine mainly for highway work and towing a 3500 KG trailer. I also change the oil every 10000 KM. It has been absolutely fantastic choice for me as it has given me 220000 KM in 9 years of trouble free ownership.
good to hear! getting those engines nice and hot extends the life of them significantly!
Two friends are getting rid of their eco diesel Jeeps, as they both have overheating issues in Canadian summers @@TheGettyAdventures, they are always going into limp mode when climbing on the highway….then there are the filter issues! lol
@@thepavementendsnow1901 check radiator expansion cap.
48°c days in Australia , started to get hot ( not boiling ) when pushed hard or towing , replaced the cap and it was fine ever since
Maybe @@93jummy , but I’m not going to trust a boat motor which wasn’t designed to have emission controls, not in my very expensive ride! lol
So true . Same car here only in Canada 😅. Best car Bro, even better in winter. 🎉
I think they should just go ahead and throw an 8.3 Cummins in a truck by now, followed by an Allison transmission if that would be possible 🥴
the difference between the 6.7 and 8.3 is really not that much. BUT the 6.7 is already the heaviest diesel engine in the segment and the 8.3 would be like a boat anchor in the front of these trucks.
@@TheGettyAdventures but you could say that you have an 8.3 in it 😂 and thats just awesome
@@CountryKidProductions Why stop at the 8.3? It weighs 1630 lbs dry so you are pretty close to X-12 (2050 lbs) and the 11.9 makes a lot more power.
The 6.7 barely fits
@@mikepoker2108 If that's not bad enough try fitting a transmission that will handle the torque.
I have a 2016 ecodiesel, just now turn 88879 miles on it. I have had no problems except from recalls and the mechanics not knowing how to fix them. Once they so call fix one and they burnt up my wiring harness. They had to get a guy from Detroit to come down and show them how to do the recall right. If anything goes wrong with these engines they will shut down and you will only go about 15 mph. Now I have another recall due and they don't have the part, still. Been months.
When I first bought it, I got about 26 mpg, now about 22 after these recalls. If I go across country it will go back to 24-26 mpg.
I drive 20 miles each way back/forth to work each day.
I have driven cross country 5 times since I had it. Not scare to go again cross country. Never had a problem out of the motor. I keep the maintenance up to date.
I do hate buying this def crap.
California started this mess. Now they going all electric.
They ought to a recall and delete this mess off these vehicles. My opinion.
All these electric vehicles gona come back and bite these purchasers in the tail.
I like my ecodiesel.
My battery is 7 years old and going strong. Came with the truck.
My truck is ram 2016 Laramie Longhorn, 4x4, loaded out with leather seats, heated/cool seats, heated steering wheel. Sunroof. 4 doors. Very comfortable.
I have a 2016 Ram 1500 with the ecodiesel. I have about 112K miles on it and drive it everyday as a commuter, but also pull my 40' 5th wheel, which weighs about 9K pounds around during the summer. I have had more issues with the truck itself than I have had with the engine. I do drive plenty long enough for it to heat up completely, so that might help as well. I think the thing that really killed it is the price point. I think most people would rather buy a 3/4 ton over a 1/2 ton given the small difference in price point, in short, I think the 1500 is over priced when compared to the 3/4 ton price point.
I've got 296,000 miles on my 2016 Ecodiesel. Turbo went out at 275k, and some strange electrical problems that started appearing after the turbo swap, like misfires on one of the cylinders due to a bad wire, bad speed sensor readings etc, ( I think the shop pinched the harness somewhere when they pulled the cab) have been the only major issues it has had. It was also fully deleted at about 40k miles.
The ecodiesel is a 2 stroke mabey thats why they stopped it.
"fully deleted" in the US is a federal offense. The EPA is absolutely busting out owners of deleted trucks. All it takes is one employee or service provider to report you to the authorities, and the owner will be in trouble real quick. It's happening all the time.
Deleting a diesel to make it reliable is a huge gamble now. I currently own a 21 ram with the 6.7 cummins. If I didn't tow long distances and take long trips, I would have a gasoline engine. You have to run a modern diesel hard to keep the exhaust system clean. I had an 18 Chevy prior to my Ram, and the Duramax is the same way. Run it hard so the exhaust system can clean itself, you'll be fine. If you can't, don't get a diesel.
@@petervenskus4706 I premix a quart for every fill up as it is the older 2 stroke diesel in my pickup, boy i get some odd stares.
I had a 2014 Eco since 2015. Fully deleted 2016 and no issues whatsoever. Recently sold it and bought the 2022 Eco, due to them being discontinued. Love this powerplant. But yes it needs to be deleted. Super efficient.
I have always had diesel vehicles. I love both diesel trucks and cars and suvs. We live in a remote area on top of the mountain and we have to commute up and down the mountain all the time and believe me, having that nice turbo on there and that extra torque is definitely amazing when you are coming up over the mountain compared to that of a gas powered car.
Unfortunately our previous diesel vehicle had a problem and after 3 weeks of ownership it got returned to the dealership because it was just simply a lemon. It had broken down several times in the 3 weeks that we owned it and we were able to get a full refund.
The problem with owning a diesel now is that the price of diesel has skyrocketed to levels that I haven't seen ever. We're not running into potential diesel shortages like in the United States but the local farmers are basically paying more now for diesel to harvest their crops than what they ever have. In the past 2 years, the price of diesel where I live has increased by over 300%. While I still wish that I had a diesel, I'm glad I don't because having the cost of my fuel increased by that much makes it unaffordable to drive. I have friends who own construction companies and Farms or are Tradesmen For Hire that rely on diesel powered vehicles and right now, because of that 300% increase in the price of diesel it's making it unaffordable for them to do business
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This engine wasn't originally designed for a marine purpose. That came later. This engine was originally developed for General Motors, for eventual use in European Cadillacs, but GM never used it.
It then appeared in the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee and some other car models.
Truth!
Yep
My brother got one. He wanted a ram and I encouraged him to get the eco diesel. He loves it. The problem for us was no dealers had them.
I feel like most dealer have no inventory lol
I have had several turbodiesel engines including the ecodiesel. I would NEVER have a gas turbo car or truck.
It didn't fail. The EPA killed it, along with every other diesel motor in the US.
GM's 3.0 Duramax now puts out 305hp.
I think the major problem with diesel engines is that most consumers don’t understand how the need to be driven and the importance of proper maintenance. We have a fleet of around 20 diesel pickups and have very few engine problems that I attribute to education of our drivers as to proper driving and our maintenance program. I have a couple of friends with v6 diesel pickups and they love them, however they drive and maintain them properly .
In our business we see a lot of the 6 and 8 cylinder diesel truck come through our facility that have major engine problems or are toast due to mouse and/or poor maintenance. The general population just doesn’t understand diesel engines. I said for years that manufacturers would do themselves a great service if they educated customers about diesel engines prior to selling to them. Perhaps then many that simply do not need a diesel would opt for a gas powered truck. As an example, my brother bought an 80 something diesel Olds Cutlass and put over 300,000 miles on it with minimal repairs. I think maybe once he put injectors unit and an injector pump. He understood how to drive and maintain it properly.
Ram should of opted to put the 5L Cummins in the 1500 instead of the ecodeisel
I'm honestly not sure what happened with the 5L I know Nissan also discontinued it because of horrible sales numbers but it would of been a rocket ship of an engine in a ram 1500 that's for sure!
@@TheGettyAdventures From what I've heard & seen, that engine wasn't very reliable. Looks like the modern emissions systems (much like the RAM ecodiesel) didn't mix with the engine design generally.
But man, they were able to get the Titan into the 5/8 ton category (exempt from many emissions standards) & 25 mpg on the highway empty would be INSANE for a half-ton
I dont think ram had a say in the motor
Maybe the 400+ horsepower and 550'+ pounds of torque Would break things on a standard 1500 truck??.. I do know the Dodge Challenger hell cat Has a beefier transmission than the Standard 1500 ram..Cost too much to build A standard truck??
I have a 2015 Eco diesel in a Laramie 4 × 4 .. inand.. RAM they changed the oil recommendations.. That made me 🤔. so I started changing the oil every 5,000/6000 miles instead of the recommended 10,000 miles, At 10000 miles this oil was completely filthy!!.. Knock on wood the truck has a 135000 miles on it now, And I really love this engine, It does not burn any oil And it seems to get 25 miles to gallon highway or city? I don't add a drop to it until the next oil change,.but It is expensive to keep up though, 2 1/2 gallons of synthetic rotella T6, And filter. In a 3 L engine. You just keep pouring the oil in😅.. I think people were trying to hot rod these 3L engines and taking them past the 10,000 oil change? No weird knocking.., But it is a little louder than when it was new.
The CEO of Ram said they were getting rid of it to pursue EV pickups.... bad decision right now
real tough right now lol and I meant I can't see the 2024 EV ram being under 50k. probably much closer to 100k. how can the average person actually afford that.
Doubt that….
I believe most of the EV garbage is Political Theater. Our infrastructure will not handle complete electrification of commercial and noncommercial vehicles. To charge a class 8 vehicle quickly, you’ll need a megawatt charger, which is essentially the power draw of a Walmart Super Center. Unless the rich and powerful want to go extinct, EV vehicles are simply not the answer! Emission systems are the killer of all internal combustion engines period; however, hydrogen technology will kill emissions systems, especially if they can find a way produce clean hydrogen much more efficiently.
Finally a gear head who knows what he is talking about. if you see a 3.0 liter anything here in USA I guarantee it came from Europe
The US and Canada has always had an issue with diesels in general where they are applied to general transportation and not heavy trucks and machinery. Throughout the world, most countries are predominately diesel. Never have understood that. As a certified Naval Diesel Inspector, I loved the idea of small diesel in 1/2 ton pickup. I do have a 2017 Ram Eco-diesel and I love it. When I do take it to work, my commute is over 50 minutes so plenty of warmup and drive time. I have not experienced any issues with the engine to this point, 70K miles. It is a shame they are going to discontinue the engine. However, I also think it has something to do the forcing of some states to go electric and going away from fossil fuels. The US government has already hailed California as the model to follow and being in Oregon is just as bad as Cal. Thanks for your insight!!
Appreciate the service sir!
I think your best point is that of the driving style of the folks buying it. I have a 16 ecodiesel with 140K miles on it. I have had no problems worth mentioning and it still looks, drives and rides like new. But I drive almost 40 mostly highway miles one way to work everday and make a lot of trips between VA and PA. The only time I got a regen message was during the lockdowns. I wasn't driving to work and I was making more short trips to the store and such. I think there is still a place for a 1500 diesel but it should be marketed properly. Diesels are no longer advantageous to people who make mostly short trips. I'll be keeping mine and would buy another. Fuel prices go up and they go down so I'm not too concerned about that. Good video. Thanks.
I own a 2017 ecodiesel, I agree people werent driving them like they should and also werent treating the truck like what it is...a DIESEL! People that have never bought or used a diesel engine treated this truck like a gasser. No warm up and heavy throttle.
Just wait, I’m at 200k on my eco diesel and it’s falling apart overnight.
@@harthart7529 200,000 miles on any truck is a lot of miles
@@MattSmith-vl8zp İÜ
@Johnny White would you buy a vehicle with 200,000 miles or more on it?
Basically all of the problems with diesel engines are caused by government.
Considering Europe uses tons of diesel engines and the EPA won't allow those engines over here I don't think the issue is diesel, it's the EPA.
I am sad they will stop make them .I had 2016 and now own 2020 both Ecodiesel . Really like the engine and never had one problems with them.
that's awesome sir! happy you've had good luck with your trucks!
My 3rd gen ED has been absolutely great. I make about 3 trips to California a year. 1500 mile round trip and it gets 33 mpg. Which is awesome. That being said, I’ll more than likely trade it in for the hurricane.
I’m debating on purchasing a diesel simply for the long lasting miles. I drive 120 miles round trip Mon through Fri for work and feel this truck would be perfect.
I’m with you man. Did you end up getting the truck?
>> A major part of crude oil is that folks only see the price per barrel. 90% of the crude oil moved in the USA is done by railroad. The railroads charge almost one million dollars per train from point A to point B. The returning empty train to be reloaded costs the shipper five hundred thousand dollars. This does not include the fuel cost of about 23000 gallons of diesel burned off for one delivery, from the Canadian border to Texas refineries. The bottom line is, every barrel of crude now costs $33 more plus the market price. If we had the pipeline President Trump had started, the cost per barrel moved is .33$. Yes, thirty-three cents per barrel. I work for a class one railroad here in Chicago.
Got one with almost 450k miles.. NO major issues at all
Ecodiesel is one of the best diesel engines without emissions period.
If you can't delete the emissions don't buy this truck.
Transmission is also one of the best on the market 8 speed.
Emissions killed it, and emissions are bringing back the simple diesels especially in older trucks and equipment. I've seen a 80 year old Oliver tilling the lands in the Central Valley of California, in 2022. The owner said he couldn't afford a new Johnny Deere, as the tier 4 final garbage raised the price too much, and the Oliver was still running.
As a truck driver whom runs the current Emission systems we have I can say one of the biggest reasons why I see break downs in the SCR system is heat related problems… it is amazing how much a diesel engine heater can reduce some of these problems…
We have a 2020 ecodiesel in our Jeep Wrangler that my wife drives. It has been driven only 20K miles, to soccer practice, the mall, under 20 miles at a time. Currently it's in the shop for a valve cover leak, which we had a similar low oil pressure issue last year but the remedy was different. Considering trading her in on a gasser..
The problem I have seen , over the years, is that people want to drive them like a gas engine.
Then, stack all the emissions garbage on top of it, and it just doesn’t work in that market.
Gale Banks of Banks Power has had a 3L diesels in pickups over 10 years while squashing California Emissions.
Surprised he stays in California.
@@williamphelan8779 all his diesels best emissions standards by adding compressed, cooled, n moist air…
2018 ram ecodiesel here with 90k miles on it. The only issue I’ve ever had with it is the front driver side window actuator breaking. I still average about 32/27 mpg.
you do have to love that fuel mileage!
I never get above 22.4. I think my turbo is bad. I hear a lot of The of pfapfapfa and a high high pitched cricket sound. Can someone please respond if they agree
From what I understand the GEN three diesel was completely redesigned and all you talked about was basically the first generation I don’t think the new eco-diesel has too many things in common with the first generation. I know a couple guys in on them and they are happy. No, I’m a truck driver and I love diesel engines but I ended up buying a hemi because again like you said the price of diesel versus price of gas makes the diesel motor completely useless
I would not say completely useless. Compared to the super unleaded price because modern engines full timing if you don’t use it and that loses a little bit of MPG. Also consider the towing capability is much more efficient if you’re doing that with a diesel. The next thing is the range. Nothing beats a diesel in long range.
It sucks that they came out with the most fuel efficient full-size truck with the ecodiesel and then canceled in the same breath
The problem with EPA bureaucrats is we the people didn't elect these clowns into office.
The hurricane engine is the only new turbo 6 cylinder that I can think of that’s in-line and I think that’s a big plus .
It should be a cool engine. I think the torque will surprise people.
@@TheGettyAdventures 510 hp so right there that’s looking good especially if the fuel economy goes up
It's going to be a shit motor like everything they produce
There's actually a bunch of new i6 engines,they're trending
The big plug is that crappy oil pump belt? That sounds expensive to change not to mention you might need oil .
How stupid is that design?
I bet it breaks the minute your warrenty is up and your on the freeway yep nothing like losing your main bearings
Look forward to your review of the 3.0 Duramax. That's my truck engine and so far it's been great. (knock on wood 😅)
I had a 2018 Eco Diesel. It spun a rod bearing at 88,000 miles. I really loved that pickup.Thank goodness I had an extended warranty but with the waiting 4 to 6 months for a new month definitely made my decision to trade for a 2024 Ram 1500 with a Hemi motor.
Here in west Texas you have idiots with eco diesel truck trying to do the same thing a 3/4 ton does and they screw the truck up
I love my ecodiesel but yeah your right it's got its problems but I can work on it myself so it's great for me
Diesel has never been cheaper than gas over last 20 years!
I mean I remember back in like 2010 diesel was cheaper. not by much. in my region anyways diesel used to always be a couple cents per liter cheaper.
Had 2014 Ram Ecodiesel, first engine went 22k miles and started chirping like a bearing was going out. Engine was replaced by Ram in 2018, 2nd engine went 21k and spun #5 connecting rod bearing. The truck was deleted at 7k miles, so no emissions and a straight pipe from 7k on... and still took out 2 engines. It's not the emissions, it's a lack of oil clearance.
that's rough lol good to know that even with your emission deleted the engine still blew a rod out
I saw one torn down on utube. It has a bearing failure. After watching the video I took that engine off my list permanently.
Sounds like Opperator error. Sounds like u drove it around town like a gas engine should be driven
As it stands where I live in Southeast Texas the cost of diesel is $1.65 more than regular unleaded. Running the numbers it cost more per mpg using diesel. When you factor in DEF, routine maintenance & higher repair costs for diesel it doesn't make sense to purchase a LD truck with a diesel. Back in the day when diesel cost less or even a little more than gasoline it was advantageous to buy a diesel. Until there's a complete reversal in diesel prices stay with an aspirated gas engine and NOT the turbo gas engine as those are having their own problems. If you really want a diesel it seems the GM 3.0 Duramax coupled with the 10 speed tranny is a good choice and has good reviews.
Yea I have a old second gen 12 valve it gets decent mileage, zero engine problems and I have a tdi jetta same deal . However even though both get better mileage the price offset make buying a half ton diesel.not attractive to me
I think beyond design issues, it also suffered from an identity crisis or a perception problem and you touch briefly on this saying it might not be best implemented in a truck. Because it's in a truck, we have a certain set of expectations for what it should be able to do. We expect higher torque, towing capacity, all of the things we've grown accustomed to with larger, more traditional diesel engines. But that's not really a niche it could ever fill. It's not like a 6BT but smaller. Or even a 4BT but more refined. It's more like a VW passenger car TDI engine, but bigger. It's smooth, quiet and efficient just like we expected those smaller diesels to be and really leans into those benefits but the performance needed to get to the towing and torque expectations, while also hamstrung by the emissions stuff, was just too much of a reach.
This is one of the best I've seen you've got great mechanical skills
My 2014 I canceled all the emissions it works great 26 miles a gallon in the city 34 on the highway 24 miles a gallon when I’m towing 7000 pounds With 10 ply tires
Strip the emissions if you don't live where they don't do the checks and they are great pickups. This was the first small diesel in a half ton pickup. Was a great idea. They could have done better. But I love my 2015.
It was not the first.
@@asherdie It was the first true diesel engine in a half ton truck. The 1978 Chev-GMC half tons had an Oldsmobile 350 engine converted to run on diesel fuel. They were one of the worst engines ever.
@@zayoutlaw you're forgetting the 6.2 that came in half tons.
@@zayoutlaw and the Ram 50 had up to an 2000 pound payload with a diesel, small truck but definitely "1/2 ton" rated. And if my memory serves I believe international had a diesel half ton.
Dodge had a Mitsubishi option also.
I recently heard from a GM dealer that the 4 cylinder Duramax diesel will not be available after this year.
The emissions requirements are killing the diesel engine, in my opinion.
Earlier versions had some major quality problems and 3 liters is a bit small for the application. Also the "Inflation Control Act" was mostly remnants of the "Green New Deal" and is 'encouraging' migration to electric.
"Encourage" lmao I love how a 1000 ft 250ton ship can roll coal across the oceans every single day using a barrel every minute. And ship dismantlers burning EVERYTHING, and pouring out toxic fluids. BUT WE IN THE USA ARE THE PROBLEM....
Why not design a ~4L inline 6 in the same vein as the 6bt, except smaller. Change some materials to save a bunch of weight where it's feasible, without compromising reliability. But maybe I'm wrong....
I have 2.0 cdti in my opel astra j 2013. I put over 100k on it and it runs great. My commute is 100 miles a day 5 days a week and no def fluid system. I have not had to touch the engine at all other than oil and filter changes. Oh and it can go 250 km/h an hour. ( needs a lot room on the autobahn) but I am very happy with her and hope to put at least 400k km/h on her before she gives up. Side note to get the best fuel economy for her on the autobahn keep her at 120 km/h and set cruise control. My mpg is 5.2 liters per 100 km. But I can get 4.9 if I really try. Small turbo diesels are great if used in the right application. And yes I do not use her as short drive commuter ie grocery store. Fuel economy goes into the toilet if I do that
truck prices and emissions killed the small diesel, huge shame for the world
If you still own an older, reliable diesel...DON'T SELL IT!
Good luck selling it if prices of diesel fuel keeps going up, it's over $3 a litre in NB Canada now, $12 a gallon who can afford to drive one
It didn’t fail the 2020+ in the 5th gens is outstanding. What’s changed is Ram’s grand plan for the 1500 certainly in part due to our our out of control government. The Hemi & Pentastar will also go away.
Instead of 3 engine choices based on your priorities you will only get a triplicate of choice of one engine in 3 versions. A single turbo 6 cylinder gas, the same plus a big battery & electric motor, and a twin turbo HO version. The bean counters win at least until the public decides whether this continues Ram market share gain on Ford & GM or whether don’t settle for this and Ram loses market share.
Former 2015 EcoDiesel owner here. Engine died after only 70k miles. The asking price for a new engine was around 12k USD.
Never got any help from my dealership nor FCA. I’m done with Chrysler. What a mistake buying this POS engine. And don’t get me started with my driving habits. I drive over 30k miles a year 80% highway and 20% city.
Main problem is because it was a Fix It Again Tony FIAT and it wasn't reliable.
It should have been a straight 6.
That's the truth, I've got a Mercedes E320 '05 that's the inline 6, that gets 45
Gas $3.25 a gallon, diesel $5.25 a gallon plus the cost of exhaust fluid. A well known gas burner will go around 300,000 miles practicality trouble free. A new diesel starts having emissions related problems darn near right away all the while being the more expensive option. The EPA has ruined diesel engines with their unchecked over reach. The EPA does not consist of elected officials and therefore should not be regulating anything. The EPA should be enforcement only. Plus large semi trucks should probably switch back to gasoline burning engines. Perhaps the cost of fuel won't be a dollar a mile and they won't be in the shop constantly with emissions problems.
The Ram is hands down the biggest POS in the truck market. The Cummins was it's saving grace. With the 3.0 they finally had an engine that lived up to the quality of their trucks.
Ram stated that they are discontinuing the ecodiesel to replace it with an electric motor, the guy had stated that it was 1,000 miles on a full tank and was hyping it up so much, everyone loved the ecodiesel, it was one of the best engines for the 1500, they’re honestly stupid for discontinuing the engine. If they want to replace an engine with an electric motor, replace the etorque for an electric motor, not the diesel, they’re stupid for that.
So-Called modern emissions systems have single-handedly destroyed the diesel engine for passenger vehicles in light duty trucks, I can't believe that the little bit of extra emissions is not offset by a 10 plus MPG gain in fuel efficiency
The Washington State Attorney General went after a diesel shop and fined them and the truck owner something close to $30k for deleting the emissions. The EPA and the local Clean Air Agencies (you probably have one!) are getting bold in going after vehicle modifications.
Marxists will do what Marxist do
Light truck divers want V8s, heavy duty drivers want big diesels, North Americans don't know how to drive diesels. I have a ram 4.7, didn't drive it during lock down, took it out, towed my trailer, blew up the engine, still, replaced the engine with a new crate engine, works fine.
It's bummer because Ram truck are the only one who are semi-officially available in Europe. Taking diesel away kinda sucks.
SHAME ON THE MESS!! It’s ridiculous how much diesel fuel is these days!!
Main reason I did not go with the eco diesel in my 22 RAM is for the reasons you stated. My driving habits are not condusive to the needs of a modern diesel engine. Also the maintenance costs can be much higher due to all of the emission equipment. Cost of diesel fuel is another consideration along with the initial purchase cost. It just didn't make any sense for me. I hear people complaining about the fuel mileage with the 5.7 HEMI but I have actually averaged around 18mpg over 10k miles of mixed city hwy driving with a little bit of towing my 6Klb boat. If I am gentle I can easily get over 21mpg on the hwy. It is much more fuel efficient than the 09 RAM I had and is pretty close to the F150 I had with the 2.7 eco boost. I also had an F150 with a 3.5 eco boost and it actually got about the same fuel mileage as the RAM until you went into BOOST mode then it drank fuel like crazy. Personally I like simple for my truck whenever possible. If I were buying an HD truck I would likely go with the gas engine unless I needed the extra towing capacity or if I was gonna use it for "hot-shot" duty. Ford is probably right because I have seen very few of the F150 Powerstrokes on the road around here and we are pretty flush with pickup trucks.
Awesome info John! seems like you've driven a fair number of truck! I was always amazed how efficient the 5.7 hemi was!
The 3.0 gets 30
@@fightthelies4349 yes but the added cost of diesel fuel plus the higher maintenance costs offset a lot of that higher efficiency. Also for me personally I don't drive enough long distance for it to make sense. I love diesel powerplants when they make sense. For my use case it is not the proper tool.
@@JHuffPhoto yeah he got it back when diesel was the same or less than gas. I did a 3.4 swap in my second gen 4runner and get 18 on the highway and I'd swear we pay about the same per Mile because of the ridiculous price of gas. The 3.0 that was in there I was lucky to get 10mpg it was awful. And slow.
I bought one of these truck new in 2015. Only made it 6 years to 117k miles before it blew up. To fix it would have been more than the truck was worth, so i sold it for what I could get. Never buying a Ram product again.
Ecodiesel is The only engine that ever blew up on me. 30,000 miles. Boom!
Mine blew at 22k
OMG! Just picked up my new pickup 2500 with cummins 6.7l diesel (11-16-2022). I bought it because I thought I could tow more and more powerful. I'm horrified that I made an $80K mistake after video and comments!
Love your info that you share. keep on doing what you’re doing you make great videos for people who are converting from gas to diesel.
Just ordered a 2023 3.0 Chevy diesel 1500 trailboss, 305 hp with 495 torque in a half ton mated to a 10 speed. Hopefully the next president will support our local oil and gas industry and we can get the price of diesel down!
I just saw the price of diesel my hometown today. 3.05/L roughly 12 dollars a gallon.
@@TheGettyAdventures that’s a shame, wish we could drill and refine more. I was kinda bummed after placing my order seeing the diesel spike up it’s $5.31 a gallon in utah.
Ford is correct. I work at a Ford dealership. I don’t think we sold more than 2 or 3 during the time they made them. It didn’t really have any advantages over the gasoline engine. It didn’t even tow as much as the eco boost or 5.0 liter. No advantage
I think what killed the ford was the price. Ford specifically stated it was because the EcoBoost sold way better, well that's because they were cheaper and a lot of people just want an f150 without caring what kind of engine they have.
Kind of curious about the DT466 as an option.
$6.50 for diesel is why it failed
My brother inlaw bought a ford150 twin turbo, I bought the ram eco. 3.twin turbo gas vs 3.0 turbo diesel: I get 23+ mpg, he gets 17 mpg. If I go on a long trip without traffic I get 27+, he gets 18.2 max, I don't know if its deliberately programmed into the trucks or what but it don't make sense, how can a twin turbo 3.5 be about same as a 5.7 heni?
I've got an first gen Eco diesel in a 2012 WK2 jeep ( US factory Export to Australia ) DPF but no DEF. 350,000kms 6100 hrs it's almost given up after being hydrolocked with bent rods. but in all honesty it was extremely efficient powerful, original injectors completely un opened. only 4x4 with a good towing capacity and efficiency on the market then.
0-100kph in 2.2 tonne in 8sec. Everything else on the market here is 4 cylinder. The 2.8 "duramax" made by same company as the eco diesel was the highest output you could get here.
I have a 2021 ecodiesel and I love it, overall. I presume it came with gen 3, but mine will alert me to needing to drive at high speeds while it burns out and lets me know when it is done. It has really been a beast when needed and great mileage when not. I am concerned about the longevity and more so now that it has been cancelled (just found about it with this video today ... ugh). I have a wide range of trucks of various sizes and engine, this has been my overall favorite.
Wow, you couldn't be much more wrong. An engine that won multiple awards in the Ram, Wrangler, and Gladiator. It is a GREAT engine in all three applications. You just need to take a look at the recent regulatory pushes, to understand why the light duty diesels, and the Dodge 6.2L Hellcat engines are going away. Interesting, by your logic, the Hellcat engine was a failure, because it to is being discontinued with the MY23 vehicles.
I’m not very familiar with the engine itself but I am a diesel mechanic working on larger Cummins diesel in a transit fleet. If not for the emissions equipment diesel engines are equipped with I believe they would be great in a normal vehicle like a pickup but only if you are someone who does a lot of highway commuting. Stop and go city driving will definitely start clogging up the particulate filter with these
Diesels aren't practical for a passenger trucks used for daily use/commuting. Most people don't keep up on the maintenance (fuel filters, oil changes, etc). Also, the more emission crap you put on a diesel, the less reliable it becomes. Look at the early 12v Cummins...it's bullet proof! The reason is it's just an engine with an exhaust system. It doesn't have all of the particulate filter garbage or DEF fluid requirements. The EPA kills everything that's good and reliable.
It's simply Bidinomics, which mean we have to pay more for less every day.
DEF systems is what killing the modern diesel engines. Even in the big trucks. Having it deleted, gives more power and made them more efficient. That's just what I've noticed in the recent years.
I still wish the Mahindra Thar and Subaru Jimny would be marketed in the US for street use, and not have prohibitive import costs.
With the new Ram Revolution with range extender why would you even want a diesel at $5 Dino 🦕 gallon
I think it really doesn't help that the added cost of getting the diesel and the added cost of the fuel, means that most people would never see a ROI over a gas.
My 2021 ecodiesel caught on fire. For no reason. I will never buy a ram again.
All the pollution stuff on the engines derates a diesel engine. If you get rid of that then you have a runner. I have an 05 GMC 3500 bought it new, I don't run it in the city as a daily driver, diesels need to be driven, get to a running temperature and need to breath, not be choked by all the crap on them now..
My eodiesel ha worked flawlessssssly since I had all the emissions crap deleted
Thank God for the third GEN eco-diesel. Incredible engine performance wise. Low pressure EGR system after DPF. Use the Mopar 5W - 40 oil and half a bottle of ZDDP from redline oil. After warranty switch to redline oil diesel. Change your oil and use a genuine filter every 4000 miles. Torque the filter to 18 foot pounds. Install a ram Derringer bundle from banks. Monitor the shoot with the banks Idash. If you educate yourself and learn, you’ll be fine for hundreds and hundreds of thousands miles. In the future, the value of these trucks, especially the gladiator eco-diesel will high. Thank God I got one before they’re all gone.
At least they will still let you order an ecodiesel for 2023 tho!!
What would you think of a new 2023 eco diesel in a jeep gladiator? The dealers are offering steep discounts (with warranties) In a lighter vehicle that isn’t doing heavy towing would you have decent reliability? The torque profile is really impressive for the segment.
At 30+ mpg traveling ill take the diesel. No gas compares in the 1500. Although the gm 6.2 does really well if u keep it around 72-75mph it'll get 22-24mpg
you don't get 30+
I agree, I also own a echo diesel. They're not for people who live in the city. That is a fact, but they offer a Great-Power package with good fuel economy the. Reason Ram ditched the echo diesel. It's because they were Focusing more on the Electric Stuff coming out. Also, the new hurricane motor too many projects on the table one had to go
as a owner why not jus delete the dpf?