Facebook Group: facebook.com/groups/shoot... Discord Group: discord.gg/r5bKTncHyj Consider Supporting me: shootieschool.com/donate/ ❗𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐑𝐄𝐂𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍𝐒❗ *29:37 meant to say Custom "Tempo" maps. not "Midi" Shane had a great point that I wish I realized while shooting this vid. Feel free to edit your freetime performance in your DAW before bringing it to Bandmate. 📘𝐓𝐀𝐁𝐋𝐄 𝐎𝐅 𝐂𝐎𝐍𝐓𝐄𝐍𝐓𝐒📘 00:00 - Introduction 02:28 - 1st Recording Session 12:30 - 1st Bandmate Test 19:48 - 2nd Recording Session 24:49 - 2nd Bandmate Test 28:43 - Analysis
Thanks so much for recording this video on the first day of the release - also, we know it was a long day for you, so this is very much appreciated! I was also the one who asked the question on your FB Page too and of course, I was so curious about the bandmate feature. I have to say that this was actually more impressive than I thought it would be - I started using drum software a year ago, and honestly, I do appreciate the value of this software, but the hunting around for the proper beat for a song - just something I don’t like spending too much time on. Bandmate is truly a game changer for me! I can see myself injecting portions of a song into bandmate and piecing together drum parts for verses and choruses, etc.., which I think is well worth it compared to what I have to do now. I’m really looking forward to your “best practices” version of EZ Drummer 3, when you get some well deserved rest and have some time with the software. Thanks again and looking forward to more of your videos! -Peter
My pleasure. It's fun to get to try and get it out quick. I probably would have spent 12 hours on this video if you didn't ask me late last night, so I should thank you for inspiring the hustle. If you pick up EZD3 and use this all of the time, do share your results. Thanks, Peter.
That was awesome! Thank you so much for kicking this out so quickly. Bandmate is the feature I was most curious about and unsure about but you cleared that up, thanks again.
Incredible tool. As a non-drummer guitarist, EZ Drummer was always great for building my ideas up into something more realistic. Bandmate is going to seriously up that part of my game. Great exploration video!
Top work dude - again. I'm a home recorder but I did a similar test (at about midnight because my broadband crapped out and it took 3 hours to download EZD3 package) and I agree totally that bandmate has some kind of style wizardry built in. It didn't play anything I wouldn't use as a basic groove to work from. Thanks for your efforts - now have a beer and get some sleep 👍
Awesome video and great channel. Ive been a Recording Musician for long time and I used many drum programs. I have EZ DRUMMER 2 and I use it all the time. The new EZ 3 is awesome for sure thank you for this video.
No apologies, Shawn, this was epically good and fun besides. Thanks for showing us how well this tool works! It is amazing. Major, major time saver! (When I finally get the time to start messing with it!)
Glad you took the time to do this because toontrack will see it and you know they are going to nail the click drift on future updates with this A.I. It's gonna be great.
Thanks man, always learning was trying the bandmate on my own! Me surfing around anywhere especially in studio one pro is usually not a good thing but I do better typically with try and fail mentality. I do have a question! how , once the drum track is created in dr3 do you transport it into a track, already open for dr3 into studio one's? Do you grab like the intro and then the verse and then chorus etc. individually and drag n drop and align and do this for the entirety of the song? thanks in advance. hope that makes sense
Thanks for your response I mean when I look at the drummer I like to see the drumkit reversed for example the hiat on the right. Thank you. I love your UA-cam channel.
Dude thank you so much for this! You're process is really similar to mine! Hahaha quick and dirty... I like the playing with click a while, then keeping the groove going with your body / head and playing without it right after!
Well that didn't take that long! Yea man many of us have your type of flow, this is gonna be a great help to start with a grove and then refine it as we complete the idea! man even if its just for creative flow this is worth the price of admission! thanks man! BTW metronome is king, lol
Eduardo! This is a toy that no one asked for (i don't think anyway) that could literally change peoples lives faster than ever. I wonder if I'll use it... I'll know better at a later date. Thanks for commenting as always!
You can open EZD3 as a multitimbral instrument in Logic (or most other DAWs), with a separate midi track for each drum part. This allows for separate DAW midi channels into EZD3 (which is different than the aux mixer audio channels sent out to the DAW aux channels). For me, this is helpful because I can pull the kick midi out of EZD's Groove suggestion into the DAW track, and then edit the transients in the audio in another DAW audio track, bounce it, and then bring that into Bandmate for tighter suggestions.
New subscriber here after someone recommended your channel in the Toontrack forums. Great demo of how to get quickly started with this. It looks pretty impressive. I'm very much new to recording guitar and bought EZdrummer 2 in Nov last year. Hadn't really used it much, but decided to get #3 for band mate and grid editor. Having little knowledge of either product yet, would it be worth me going through your EZdrummer 2 videos first? For example, I just used band mate and got an 8 bar drum groove I'm happy with. How do I now get that back into my DAW (using Reaper) so I can record guitar and bass over it?
If you're eager, yes. my EZD2 vids will be fine since the majority is still the same. It just might feel a little lack-luster visual and that the new features are not covered. As for your DAW. In a Reaper session, create a new track. Add "FX", from the FX list and look under Toontrack or VST3 and add EZD3. From here, as you build a song inside of EZD3, Reaper should follow it when you hit play. Notice a "Follow Host" button in the bottom left of EZD3. Otherwise, drag your midi directly out of EZD3 into your EZD3 Reaper track. There's more details, but your should get this working, first.
@@ShootieSchool Awesome, thank you. I had managed to drag the track across but had no sound. Once I added EZD3 to the FX, bingo, my first mini drum loop from band mate 😀
I guess warping in FL Studio or Ableton is the way to go to get anywhere near a useable beat from it. For example in FL Studio place both the guitar wave file and the exported EZ Drummer 3 audio attempt on the playlist, set grid appropriately and set the DAW at the approximate tempo, and then use New Time to warp the timing elements so they match. (It would be ideal if New Time allowed multiple audio files to be warped side by side, because then you could pick groove elements from one or the other to avoid hurting the original feel. I haven't tried it, I''m only trying to grapple with this - to me its really to provide examples that one could then sketch out in the drum vst sequencer window - and with it so "off" in timing its hard to judge that. Maybe if you warp it you'll get a finished product - but warping does sometimes produce unwanted effects if the timing is so far off to begin with.
Thanks Shootie! I'm using bandmate now, and it gave me ideas for a song that I was stuck on, so big plus there. The only downfall I can see is that the AI detects transients in the playing, which works great, the downside is when I copy that pattern to the song creator it doesn't take the learned AI with it. Would be cool if you could grab the parts it finds with AI and make place them in song creator. Or maybe I'm just doing something wrong.
I think there's just a small chance you'll see a beat from the Bandmate search results in the Song Creator Song Parts area. Bandmate results are not all from your Grooves Tab, some or many of them are generated by AI on the spot I believe. The Song Creator is only able to give your Song Parts from the Grooves Tab midi files.
Hey bandmate is new to the Easy Drummer platform but have you tried the original AI application called Jam sticks? it'd be interesting to see how that fares against bandmate in your comparison. And thanks for all the good work that you do! 👍🏾
Thanks for the insight into EZD3. Do you know why, in bandmate, the AI doesn't recognize rest and does not ad fillls when dropping a music bed with no drums into it? Seems to only grab one sample and loops it the length of my track. Nothing else.
@@ShootieSchool I guess I would have thought that would be how it worked. They put that much into it to only pick one loop, and call it a "bandmate"? Would be great if it gave you a full performance and we could tweak from there.
@@TroyCastellano A lot of people are asking the same thing. We'll see if Toontrack responds. The tech needs to start somewhere, I believe toontrack are the pioneers here. I've heard some good things about the Logic Drummer as well.
Awesome testing! So yeah I say you would have to play pretty bad for it to not do its intended job. Plus most guys/gals actually using a DAW and recording already have some since of timing without the clicks. Great vid mate!
i like to record guitars with a friend of mine, and i like the little dynamic - in louder parts we play a little faster and in softer parts a little slower. i never liked to use metronom in my daw, because the whole thing gets more static - but i needed to do it to use ez drummer or other vsts. can this program change the speed in my daw and play faster at faster parts and slower at slower parts in the same song? this would be a game changer. or can it just estimate one tempo for the whole song?
im curious if with a longer file, if it would average the tempo and use that information to determine the groove suggestion. It would make sense if it averaged based off the length of the sample. Thats something to think about, if its only grabbing the first bar of information then longer loop samples are really pointless.
ok many thanks for this video. some takeaways that I got are: record to a click track or be prepared to edit the clip in a daw before bringing into ez drummer, You need a clean loop that lasts as long as the drum groove, my workaround would be find a suggested beat and then play to that since the AI seems to find the tempo good regardless of how sloppy the loop is. If the AI could take the transients from your soundclip and snap those to a grid basically doing the diting for you, that would be dope
I think if editing and or quantizing were allowed in Bandmate, there might be an issue with matching to a groove, especially if nudging the drums is required. However, considering bandmate does bring up the correct vibe, all quantizing required with the audio and the midi can easily be done in the daw then imported back into bandmate. what do you think?
@@ShootieSchool I’m pretty sure quantizing the audio would bring better results in bandmate. But on the flip side, keeping the audio original and nudging the drum midi to work with the audio through the entire song. “Nightmare “
@@bigrigeddie If you're hyper focused on this. DO try looking up Custom Tempo Maps. I've been meaning to do a video on them for years... It will happen someday. They are a ton of work, but it's the only way to make drum software play off the grid without dragging a million midi notes around. I hope you're well, edgar!
I'm working in Logic, and have just started experimenting with this workflow. 1) Record song to a click, and then build drum part. Save Drum part as Midi. 2) rerecord song without a click and let Logic generate a tempo map.Then reimport Midi Drum track and let it follow the tempo map. Also I am having success with letting Logic's drummer suggest drum parts -then convert to midi and use Ez Drummer 3 /Or superior.
I've only done Tempo Mapping in Pro Tools and Reaper. How were the results in Logic? The way you explain it sound simply compared to the methods I know of.
@@ShootieSchool Hiya -early days , and I'm also working on some quite simple pieces...BUT.....I'm also finding Logics in but drummer incredibly good and quick at generating parts .....which can then be converted to Midi..... In 2023 we are indeed blessed with what is available to us. :)
my question is this: If I throw a sample riff in bandmate and it provides me with an acceptable groove for it....will the suggested fills and chorus grooves that match the audio sample I provided be in the same list? It would be pretty pointless if I have to provide sample audio for every portion of the song....or to me it would be pretty pointless. One of the tjhings I like about EZD2 is when I find something I want to use, all the song parts that match itg are right there grouped together so I dont have to search through all my grooves for parts that match.
Great video. The workflow and tools that Toontracks have laid out for using Bandmate feels a little half baked. I'm hoping to eventually see something that gives it an edge over tap to find.
I think I agree with you. The new features are unique and super cool, the usability isn't ready for it to be a go-to tool yet. Hopefully they keep developing this in future updates. Thank you for the comment, Jason!
Derek Smith Does anyone know how you create your guitar file using Reaper to use with Ez Drummer 3 band mate? I can’t find any videos of anyone using Reaper with EZD3 any links would help a lot and be much appreciated thanks you can’t drag the file from reaper into Ez3, but what’s the best way using reaper to make that file and get it into ez3 band mate.
what if I was to record a guitar take of the full guitar track verses choruses etc all together and run it through bandmate? would it take the whole file into account and generate fills and change up the beat dependant on the section of audio?
It would be experimenting for the heck of it at this point. Bandmate will only return one single file and loop that file to the length of your track. If you see anything interesting happen, do tell though. I'm guessing we'll see Bandmate grow through the updates, so let's keep an eye on it.
@@ShootieSchool yeah, would even be a nice touch when you drag in a file, to be able to define which parts of the track are verse, chorus etc. so if can then work its magic.
@@DanielStaff_ Certainly. A lot of people want the AI to attack Fills ,it's a tall order, but if anyone can pull it off it would be Toontrack. Check out my Q&A vid if you haven't yet, i try to get this stuff going. Mostly fails, though.
Does Bandmate give the same results if you give it the same file numerous times? It would be cool if we could have a few variations from it to choose from. Also maybe a randomizer dial to add or subtrack a bit and hear the results. Thanks!
I know it's off topic but how did you manage to get the DAW to record through OBS? It certainly isn't as simple as I thought it would be. Jus got ez drummer 3 myself and loving it so far.
2 computers Bruise, sorry, no solid tips. I use to do a feedback loop through an interface that had multiple ins and out, you may want to experiment with that. That workflow was clunky and a few years old though. I forget the exact signal flow... Maybe I was on Mac back then. Maybe a Mac will do it out of the gate with no issues? Just EZD3 is a piece of cake though since it can take the windows driver. Cheers.
@@ShootieSchool thanks for the quick reply. Yeah I've streamed stand alone ez drummer and it's fine.. Its just I was wanting to show people how I build up a song using cakewalk daw. I don't understand why it's so difficult. U would have thought there would be a desktop audio option but life's not that simple! Anyways I got the pop punk ezx and loving it. Thanks for the video. Was a good watch!
I use Synchronous Audio Router (the 2nd newest(?) version which has signed drivers unlike the newest) to send my DAW's master output to OBS. Takes a little setup but seems to work well
@@bruisesandbeers2569 It looks like Tremendouz might now a better solution. I have a similar one as his but very basic using the free Virtual Cable. I'm not into networking though to give advanced advice. It's super cool stuff though.
@@Tremendouz interesting. I've taken the networking side with the free Virtual Cable which is really cool. It's true capabilities are beyond my skillset though. It's fun stuff.
Coming out of first 8 going into loop without click was a little off. But still impressive software. On funk AI should have went with a 3/4 time. Can you change or tweak its suggestions? Also Knocking on Heavens Door should suggest a Jazz freestyle. Does it ask what type beat/music you wanna play?
You can tweak. In this vid I was only testing the AI reading transients. It doesn't ask, you select it. I have a another Bandmate vid on my channel and another coming in a few hours if you're interested.
I'm missing the point of band mate. Tupically I'll record in the daw a song or song part to a click track. Then I tap to find in easy drummer 2 for some grooves. Put them on the timeliness and with follow host turned on boom everything works. What does band mate add?
We all have totally different workflows. You can see people are loving it. But if you already know what you want, there's really no point. Or if your workflow is 100% for you, why do these extra steps. I love Bandmate, I'm not sure if I'll ever use it though, we'll see. They may also keep developing it. What's up, Spyder!
Greetings, I'm new to the channel, new to EZ3. Thanks for all your obvious hard work. You may already be doing this somewhere but here's a request/suggestion: please list your videos in some kind of sequence so as a student learner I can "graduate" through the levels in logical order from beginner to intermediate to advanced. Make sense? Thanks, -JD
The first almost 10 videos are definitely for beginners. After that it is very subjective on which part of the program one would want to learn. Welcome to the channel!
Did way better than I expected I think the key is to do what u did play your guitar as clean as possible no effects etc once you record the audio most daws you can drag and stretch the audio to line up with the beat if needed without changing the pitch so yeah awesome job looking good now go sleep mate you deserve it 😊
You watched the whole thing? You’re a trooper! You’ve got the right idea with reverse engineering the order of editing. The users gotta have that skill set is all.
The country chords part... interesting. It's obviously off, but it sounds like it's consistently off by exactly an eighth note. Like the AI has the right tempo, it's just confused where the 1 is.
One thing to note is, the start times are accurate enough to test... so drift does exist. Your comment inspired this assumption though, AI has to be misjudging beat 2, or 3, or 4... then the domino effect happens. It should always know what beat 1 is, since the user defines it. Thanks for commenting,, gonna keep my ear open for this.
Love it! Toontrack rocks! You should check out the album by The Shaggs. Deemed the worst album ever recorded, reminded me of what you were trying to replicate playing out of time. Keep up the great work. #forthemusic2022
Wow this thing is AMAZING! Feeling hopeful about half-way in that I've just found my "no-time-for-real-drummer-practice-replacement". It's playing better than Lars... lol JUST KIDDING! Still pretty impressive!
Do you test this with a reggae, ska grooves? Does it shows after beat or skank things? Good question no? I do some metal but I want to know everything about this algorithm!
I'm guessing you won't see more results from me on Bandmate for a couple weeks, fyi. I would hope as you select the Filters in the Lower Left to match your genre, it should be somewhat interactive as your hoping.
@@michaelfranz685 One thing that is nifty on the Reggea Genre, if selected, if will swap out the hihat Amount Knob, and replace is with the Second Snare, but only in particular cases. Just a little more info in your area of concern.
@@ShootieSchool I have 2 Guitar tracks and a Bass track recorded at 140 bpm I drag a groove down just like I would in EZDrummer 2 and it doesn't play right and yes Follow Host is on. I'll try with another song and see what happens.
Dude, you should check the variations down in your left corner under Genre and Matching grooves within Bandmate. Had you for example chosen Metal as a genre on your first audiofile you most probably would have gotten an even better result. Experimenting with those combined with the amount knobs for snare, bd and hh gave me close to perfect result. And of course bandmate wont work if the tempo is drifting og lacks transients to analyse and find the tempo,... duh :). However. Have you recorded to a click.... I threw in a bunch of different guitars with and without effect, direct and processed and was amazed at the results. Once I had something good, but wanted som small tweeks, boom right into Grid editor.
I did mention that this video was about testing the AI and not producing a drum beat. I did spend a 3rd of the video recording to a click. Listen to the very first paragraph of the entire video... lol
@@iamtheimagedoctor I didn't say Shootie should do it. I was just wondering if it is able to do it like with EZ Bass (importing bass wav and getting bass midi). And: I don't have EZ Drummer 3 yet
@@andrija-official I’m not totally clear on your concern. You can import a wave file of bass playing. And you can import a midi file of a baseline. But that’s only to trigger bandmates drumbeat results. The midi file import is pretty crazy since it does have different sound engines to play back your midi file. You can import a midi drum file which is kind of funny. Because there’s a good chance you already have this file in your EZ drummer library. But I think importing a drum audio file is a good idea if you have old-school loops of that, yes it would be quite convenient to match those to Miki. Phone typing*
@@ShootieSchool What I meant was: with EZ Bass one can import some bass wav and get a EZ Bass generated MIDI. My question was: Is it possible with EZ Drummer 3 Bandmate to import drum wav and get EZ Drummer 3 MIDI?
Didn't go thru all the comments to see if it was mentioned.... On the last clip you do (really bad timing), can you play back over it after EZD3 has suggested a beat, and see how works out. In other words, did EZD3 give you an in time track that you could go back (after you realize the timing in the original recording sucked) and re-record the guitar to the drum track in time with the drums, and it IS in time and sounds correct, providing you played the guitar part in time with the drums.
Great vid. Knocking on Heavens Door - written by Bob Dylan. I like Gun’s version better. I couldn’t imagine writing a song that good - much less write All Along the Watchtower, Blowing In The Wind and so many others. And imagine writing Watchtower and then hearing Hendrix do it.
I don’t think it’s something they can do since it requires security permissions from your OS. Some daws have a workaround and some don’t. An Audio Sender plug in, like what ezbass has, would be a great solution. I hope that happens.
@@ShootieSchool Ah damn, I have ezbass and the audio sender always crashes my daw, worked for a few days. Couldn't get a refund. Appreciate the response
I've been meaning to get back to that. No input right now though. What Garageband and Logic include for free or as the base price is impressive from what I remember.
I am reminded of a Steve Martin film. (The Jerk). Hilarious. His rhythm… was so off. It takes skill to do that. I use a sampler (it’s an Eventide preset) that allows me to record things. No click. No tempo. But I will play it back and then tap tempo and re-record the part because I’m usually off somewhere. I could time stretch the audio, but I don’t really enjoy editing. The only problem I have is trying to reproduce a classic song, that wasn’t recorded with a metronome and had a human tempo. Those always wander up and down, and grids are worthless. There’s a few software apps that can map the tempo… and that’s a feature that I always wanted in EZD. I ended up automating tempo, but that worked best when I did that in advance of any tracking. And that is not very intuitive. You basically record a scratch and then go through hand automating tempo, and then re-record all your parts. After some time I learned more about that, and how to stretch time of recorded audio, but still. It’s the age old problem of tempo mapping a classic song… I don’t know why, so I can reproduce it? Just what the world needs is another guy doing guitar covers on UA-cam… ;)
It makes my day that you said The Jerk, for an unrelated reason. One of my good buddies and teacher was in that movie. What apps are you using to Map Tempo or is it a super manual process like playing 100s of tempo changes by hand? I would love to discover a better workflow? Well hey, if it's good it will be worth doing!
@@ShootieSchool I don’t have any apps myself. My understanding is that it was available to ProTools users. I watched a ton of Eric Valentine at the time and he discussed it. For me it’s FL Studio and there is no such feature, just manual detection and tempo automations. I collaborate with various musicians and a friend who uses Studio One can adjust tempo while keeping pitch correct. So when I send him 87bpm he likes it better at 93, I often get my files back at a different tempo! (head explodes) I think we all love EZD, it is a lot of fun to get our groove on, but the grid, and locked tempo is not a human trait. It’s nice for engineering, but does lose some of the magic human touch. That’s why sometimes I go crazy with automations. You have a GREAT channel and I really enjoy your presentations. I think we all do. Thanks for being there for us. -Jim
I have a question at the end so please check it out, but first... thanks for the video. Now I know I'm in the minority here but I was a little disappointed in the bandmate feature. Ultimately your "bandmate" is only as good as the number of midi packs you've purchased, i.e. the size of your midi library. If you haven't bought any add-on midi packs your bandmate is going to suck. It's basically tap2find on steroids, not real AI. I personally think that the AI in EZbass (even if it also uses a midi library) is way better. Again I can't thank you enough for the Groove Monkee info. I bought a midi bundle from them and it has helped me more than the EZD midi library. Now the question. Old projects still load up with EZD2. What is the best way to update an old project that uses EZD2 to use EZD3?
EZD2 will still load in your projects. If you want to switch to EZD3 I'd just make a new instrument track and set it up how you like and copy and paste your midi and then save.
Firstly, not that I disagree but to make an amendment to your statement. Bandmate is Tap2Find plus a basic Edit Play Style combined. So it is capable of making a unique beat on it's own. And then it being possibly gridlock generated beat, if you like it, you can humanize it in the grid editor. It's going to make you do every step, but capable of composing for the most part from scratch. I'm not even sure if I like it or not yet, making this video was literally 90% of my experience with it. Also, you never know what it will be in 6 months worth of updates. I was thinking of doing to EZD2 to 3 vid before the week ends. Right out of the gate, the FIle Menu in EZD3, look at the very bottom to import EZD2 projects. EZD2 projects in your DAW take quite a few more mouse clicks, but can sill happen which I'll explain shortly along with all of EZD2s User Files, stay tuned.
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Shane had a great point that I wish I realized while shooting this vid. Feel free to edit your freetime performance in your DAW before bringing it to Bandmate.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:28 - 1st Recording Session
12:30 - 1st Bandmate Test
19:48 - 2nd Recording Session
24:49 - 2nd Bandmate Test
28:43 - Analysis
Thanks so much for recording this video on the first day of the release - also, we know it was a long day for you, so this is very much appreciated! I was also the one who asked the question on your FB Page too and of course, I was so curious about the bandmate feature. I have to say that this was actually more impressive than I thought it would be - I started using drum software a year ago, and honestly, I do appreciate the value of this software, but the hunting around for the proper beat for a song - just something I don’t like spending too much time on. Bandmate is truly a game changer for me! I can see myself injecting portions of a song into bandmate and piecing together drum parts for verses and choruses, etc.., which I think is well worth it compared to what I have to do now. I’m really looking forward to your “best practices” version of EZ Drummer 3, when you get some well deserved rest and have some time with the software. Thanks again and looking forward to more of your videos! -Peter
My pleasure. It's fun to get to try and get it out quick. I probably would have spent 12 hours on this video if you didn't ask me late last night, so I should thank you for inspiring the hustle. If you pick up EZD3 and use this all of the time, do share your results. Thanks, Peter.
That was awesome! Thank you so much for kicking this out so quickly. Bandmate is the feature I was most curious about and unsure about but you cleared that up, thanks again.
Thanks for saying, Burl!
The country chord test definitely sounds like a real world band experience lol. Awesome video!
It does! It sounds like to people learned a song but aren't listening to each other. Bring back a lot of memories actually.
I cannot wait to try bandmate out. Been waiting for this for a LONG time. Thanks for your videos!!
A good analysis! With it being out less than 24hrs, this is a good way to get to know this new function!
Ron!! Thanks, bud.
I hope you get lots of subs for doing this series Shootie. Was a really good informative video thanks man
Me too. I appreciate you saying, Dinofond!
Great work! I appreciate all the effort that went into this
Thank you, Rich!
Great video! This is the whole reason why I planned on purchasing v3. You sold me on it
Awesome!
You'e got a great approach, Shootie, thanks for doing this.
Thank you for taking the time to say, Velvet!
Incredible tool. As a non-drummer guitarist, EZ Drummer was always great for building my ideas up into something more realistic. Bandmate is going to seriously up that part of my game.
Great exploration video!
Dude! I replied to your email, check it! Time sensitive!
Also, thanks for the comment!
Really good video. Thanks. Helped a lot.
Great to hear. Come back for more when you're ready.
Top work dude - again.
I'm a home recorder but I did a similar test (at about midnight because my broadband crapped out and it took 3 hours to download EZD3 package) and I agree totally that bandmate has some kind of style wizardry built in. It didn't play anything I wouldn't use as a basic groove to work from.
Thanks for your efforts - now have a beer and get some sleep 👍
Thank you, Gary!
Awesome video and great channel. Ive been a Recording Musician for long time and I used many drum programs. I have EZ DRUMMER 2 and I use it all the time. The new EZ 3 is awesome for sure thank you for this video.
Thanks for commenting!
very nice. thanks for testing all this out.
My pleasure!
Thanks for this video, much help and much appreciated.
Harley!!!!~
Thanks for this!
You got it!
No apologies, Shawn, this was epically good and fun besides. Thanks for showing us how well this tool works! It is amazing. Major, major time saver! (When I finally get the time to start messing with it!)
Buzz!
You are definitely the man! Thank you!
You got it!
Very helpful, bro
Thank for saying, Bogachev!
Glad you took the time to do this because toontrack will see it and you know they are going to nail the click drift on future updates with this A.I. It's gonna be great.
let's hope so.
Love Shootie School. Love Toontrack. Thanks!! Is that a 'Parker Fly' guitar?
Yes, two pre-Washburn Parkers. I love them.
I LOVE your channel!!!!
Thank you, Derek!
great video i wanted to know more about this fonction before to buy thank you
You got it!
Thanks man, always learning was trying the bandmate on my own! Me surfing around anywhere especially in studio one pro is usually not a good thing but I do better typically with try and fail mentality. I do have a question! how , once the drum track is created in dr3 do you transport it into a track, already open for dr3 into studio one's? Do you grab like the intro and then the verse and then chorus etc. individually and drag n drop and align and do this for the entirety of the song? thanks in advance. hope that makes sense
Thanks! Before EZD3 I did do that. Now that the new EZD3 Grid Editor exists, I have yet to drag my midi to my DAW.
Thanks for your response
I mean when I look at the drummer I like to see the drumkit reversed for example the hiat on the right.
Thank you.
I love your UA-cam channel.
On the Mixer Tab, upper left menu. Enjoy!
Thanks for the quick intro into this nifty feature. Curious how bandmate behavious with long tracks /samples...will it add fills and endings....
It will take anything you give it, but only return a single beat and repeat it. No on fills so far.
I just tried band mate today and was extremely impressed.
Work/Creative flow now merge! Fantastic feature.
Hi Buddy, does a band mate take a third party midi files to considiration?
@@maciekcalm1 Yes it does.
Very useful stuff man. SUBBED. Do you have a video reviewing the best EZMix packs?
Thank you. I do not. I personally just use the mastering packs on my busses and master fader.
omg bandmate is next level awesome
Dude thank you so much for this! You're process is really similar to mine! Hahaha quick and dirty... I like the playing with click a while, then keeping the groove going with your body / head and playing without it right after!
My pleasure, thanks for swinging in!
What a guy! Rock on 🤘🏼
I 🖤 this Channel !
Thank you!
Well that didn't take that long! Yea man many of us have your type of flow, this is gonna be a great help to start with a grove and then refine it as we complete the idea! man even if its just for creative flow this is worth the price of admission! thanks man! BTW metronome is king, lol
Eduardo! This is a toy that no one asked for (i don't think anyway) that could literally change peoples lives faster than ever. I wonder if I'll use it... I'll know better at a later date. Thanks for commenting as always!
You can open EZD3 as a multitimbral instrument in Logic (or most other DAWs), with a separate midi track for each drum part. This allows for separate DAW midi channels into EZD3 (which is different than the aux mixer audio channels sent out to the DAW aux channels). For me, this is helpful because I can pull the kick midi out of EZD's Groove suggestion into the DAW track, and then edit the transients in the audio in another DAW audio track, bounce it, and then bring that into Bandmate for tighter suggestions.
Interesting, Latte.
Your lack of sleep reminds me of the days I drove tractor trailer.
I don't envy that gig. I've certain done some long runs touring. Looks like we never fell asleep at the wheel, we're alive!
New subscriber here after someone recommended your channel in the Toontrack forums. Great demo of how to get quickly started with this. It looks pretty impressive. I'm very much new to recording guitar and bought EZdrummer 2 in Nov last year. Hadn't really used it much, but decided to get #3 for band mate and grid editor. Having little knowledge of either product yet, would it be worth me going through your EZdrummer 2 videos first?
For example, I just used band mate and got an 8 bar drum groove I'm happy with. How do I now get that back into my DAW (using Reaper) so I can record guitar and bass over it?
If you're eager, yes. my EZD2 vids will be fine since the majority is still the same. It just might feel a little lack-luster visual and that the new features are not covered.
As for your DAW. In a Reaper session, create a new track. Add "FX", from the FX list and look under Toontrack or VST3 and add EZD3. From here, as you build a song inside of EZD3, Reaper should follow it when you hit play. Notice a "Follow Host" button in the bottom left of EZD3.
Otherwise, drag your midi directly out of EZD3 into your EZD3 Reaper track.
There's more details, but your should get this working, first.
@@ShootieSchool Awesome, thank you. I had managed to drag the track across but had no sound. Once I added EZD3 to the FX, bingo, my first mini drum loop from band mate 😀
Awesome
Very cool
Thank you :)
Nice job brother 👍😎 Resize for the win 🥇
It's the little things.
I had to like this just for the effort to play out of time, it was so hard for you lol. I wish I had that problem lol.. Good video
lol, thanks!!
Oh also well done on the wing it and being tired and spun no mistakes
Thank you, Steve!
buenisimo el video viejo.muchas gracias y es cierto.. que dificil tocar fuera del tiempo
Thank you! And yes, haha!
Cool musician!
good job bro, that was funny when you went off time and seen what it did, haha! ;)
I had fun with it!
What a fun day it was.
You know it!
It looked like a lot of hard work on Shooties part. Probably wished he went to work lol
I guess warping in FL Studio or Ableton is the way to go to get anywhere near a useable beat from it. For example in FL Studio place both the guitar wave file and the exported EZ Drummer 3 audio attempt on the playlist, set grid appropriately and set the DAW at the approximate tempo, and then use New Time to warp the timing elements so they match. (It would be ideal if New Time allowed multiple audio files to be warped side by side, because then you could pick groove elements from one or the other to avoid hurting the original feel. I haven't tried it, I''m only trying to grapple with this - to me its really to provide examples that one could then sketch out in the drum vst sequencer window - and with it so "off" in timing its hard to judge that. Maybe if you warp it you'll get a finished product - but warping does sometimes produce unwanted effects if the timing is so far off to begin with.
Thanks Shootie! I'm using bandmate now, and it gave me ideas for a song that I was stuck on, so big plus there. The only downfall I can see is that the AI detects transients in the playing, which works great, the downside is when I copy that pattern to the song creator it doesn't take the learned AI with it. Would be cool if you could grab the parts it finds with AI and make place them in song creator. Or maybe I'm just doing something wrong.
I think there's just a small chance you'll see a beat from the Bandmate search results in the Song Creator Song Parts area. Bandmate results are not all from your Grooves Tab, some or many of them are generated by AI on the spot I believe. The Song Creator is only able to give your Song Parts from the Grooves Tab midi files.
Nice going Shootie. You seemed pretty wired there! Works pretty well I think.
Thank you much!
Ya did good mate. You proved Garbage in Garbage out. But if you hold the rhythm it works as it should. Nice work.
Hey bandmate is new to the Easy Drummer platform but have you tried the original AI application called Jam sticks? it'd be interesting to see how that fares against bandmate in your comparison. And thanks for all the good work that you do! 👍🏾
Thank you, Allan and no. Gonna take a note Incase I get some time. Not sure what you mean by original, but I’m curious about jam sticks.
Thanks for the insight into EZD3. Do you know why, in bandmate, the AI doesn't recognize rest and does not ad fillls when dropping a music bed with no drums into it? Seems to only grab one sample and loops it the length of my track. Nothing else.
We must wait to see if toontrack further develops bandmate.
@@ShootieSchool I guess I would have thought that would be how it worked. They put that much into it to only pick one loop, and call it a "bandmate"? Would be great if it gave you a full performance and we could tweak from there.
@@TroyCastellano A lot of people are asking the same thing. We'll see if Toontrack responds. The tech needs to start somewhere, I believe toontrack are the pioneers here. I've heard some good things
about the Logic Drummer as well.
Great Video.. I’m a user hopefully be a better one soon man… keep them coming.
Welcome to the channel. Stick around, we'll get it done!
Awesome testing! So yeah I say you would have to play pretty bad for it to not do its intended job. Plus most guys/gals actually using a DAW and recording already have some since of timing without the clicks. Great vid mate!
Thank you, Kaywood!
i like to record guitars with a friend of mine, and i like the little dynamic - in louder parts we play a little faster and in softer parts a little slower. i never liked to use metronom in my daw, because the whole thing gets more static - but i needed to do it to use ez drummer or other vsts. can this program change the speed in my daw and play faster at faster parts and slower at slower parts in the same song? this would be a game changer. or can it just estimate one tempo for the whole song?
ok, i think nocking on heavens door answered my question - thank you
Make sure you sub. When I’m done with my ezd3 frenzy I will do some advanced stuff in this area.
im curious if with a longer file, if it would average the tempo and use that information to determine the groove suggestion. It would make sense if it averaged based off the length of the sample. Thats something to think about, if its only grabbing the first bar of information then longer loop samples are really pointless.
Only assumptions at this point, Billy. I think the longer the more challenging for Bandmate. We'll see soon enough as with your point above.
the kid you mentioned. record his/her guitar to a drum loop (groove). then, load that into ezd3. boom. custom drum loop. easy peasy. bluze out.
ok many thanks for this video. some takeaways that I got are: record to a click track or be prepared to edit the clip in a daw before bringing into ez drummer, You need a clean loop that lasts as long as the drum groove, my workaround would be find a suggested beat and then play to that since the AI seems to find the tempo good regardless of how sloppy the loop is. If the AI could take the transients from your soundclip and snap those to a grid basically doing the diting for you, that would be dope
"be prepared to edit the clip in a daw before bringing into ez drummer". I wish i said this in the video, I'm glad you picked up on it!
I think if editing and or quantizing were allowed in Bandmate, there might be an issue with matching to a groove, especially if nudging the drums is required. However, considering bandmate does bring up the correct vibe, all quantizing required with the audio and the midi can easily be done in the daw then imported back into bandmate. what do you think?
Not sure if you mean quantizing the audio file dropped into Bandmate or the midi that Bandmate generates.?
@@ShootieSchool I’m pretty sure quantizing the audio would bring better results in bandmate. But on the flip side, keeping the audio original and nudging the drum midi to work with the audio through the entire song. “Nightmare “
@@bigrigeddie If you're hyper focused on this. DO try looking up Custom Tempo Maps. I've been meaning to do a video on them for years... It will happen someday. They are a ton of work, but it's the only way to make drum software play off the grid without dragging a million midi notes around. I hope you're well, edgar!
I'm working in Logic, and have just started experimenting with this workflow. 1) Record song to a click, and then build drum part. Save Drum part as Midi. 2) rerecord song without a click and let Logic generate a tempo map.Then reimport Midi Drum track and let it follow the tempo map. Also I am having success with letting Logic's drummer suggest drum parts -then convert to midi and use Ez Drummer 3 /Or superior.
I've only done Tempo Mapping in Pro Tools and Reaper. How were the results in Logic? The way you explain it sound simply compared to the methods I know of.
@@ShootieSchool Hiya -early days , and I'm also working on some quite simple pieces...BUT.....I'm also finding Logics in but drummer incredibly good and quick at generating parts .....which can then be converted to Midi..... In 2023 we are indeed blessed with what is available to us. :)
@@richardridings7511 Logic's Drummer is fantastic!
my question is this: If I throw a sample riff in bandmate and it provides me with an acceptable groove for it....will the suggested fills and chorus grooves that match the audio sample I provided be in the same list? It would be pretty pointless if I have to provide sample audio for every portion of the song....or to me it would be pretty pointless. One of the tjhings I like about EZD2 is when I find something I want to use, all the song parts that match itg are right there grouped together so I dont have to search through all my grooves for parts that match.
Great video. The workflow and tools that Toontracks have laid out for using Bandmate feels a little half baked. I'm hoping to eventually see something that gives it an edge over tap to find.
I think I agree with you. The new features are unique and super cool, the usability isn't ready for it to be a go-to tool yet. Hopefully they keep developing this in future updates. Thank you for the comment, Jason!
the sloppy loops were shorter than the drums laid out...how would it sound if you stretched it to fit? I wonder if it might fix it some.
Derek Smith
Does anyone know how you create your guitar file using Reaper to use with Ez Drummer 3 band mate? I can’t find any videos of anyone using Reaper with EZD3 any links would help a lot and be much appreciated thanks you can’t drag the file from reaper into Ez3, but what’s the best way using reaper to make that file and get it into ez3 band mate.
On a PC you can drag a file into EZD3's Bandmate by holding Cont+Alt and dragging. On Mac, you cannot.
what if I was to record a guitar take of the full guitar track verses choruses etc all together and run it through bandmate? would it take the whole file into account and generate fills and change up the beat dependant on the section of audio?
It would be experimenting for the heck of it at this point. Bandmate will only return one single file and loop that file to the length of your track. If you see anything interesting happen, do tell though. I'm guessing we'll see Bandmate grow through the updates, so let's keep an eye on it.
@@ShootieSchool yeah, would even be a nice touch when you drag in a file, to be able to define which parts of the track are verse, chorus etc. so if can then work its magic.
@@DanielStaff_ Certainly. A lot of people want the AI to attack Fills ,it's a tall order, but if anyone can pull it off it would be Toontrack. Check out my Q&A vid if you haven't yet, i try to get this stuff going. Mostly fails, though.
Does Bandmate give the same results if you give it the same file numerous times? It would be cool if we could have a few variations from it to choose from. Also maybe a randomizer dial to add or subtrack a bit and hear the results. Thanks!
I don't think so, but I did not put it to a real test. Thanks for this question, nice!
I actually do a Bandmate Q&A video that excepts questions... I thought you were commenting on that video, hence my earlier response.
I know it's off topic but how did you manage to get the DAW to record through OBS? It certainly isn't as simple as I thought it would be. Jus got ez drummer 3 myself and loving it so far.
2 computers Bruise, sorry, no solid tips. I use to do a feedback loop through an interface that had multiple ins and out, you may want to experiment with that. That workflow was clunky and a few years old though. I forget the exact signal flow... Maybe I was on Mac back then. Maybe a Mac will do it out of the gate with no issues? Just EZD3 is a piece of cake though since it can take the windows driver. Cheers.
@@ShootieSchool thanks for the quick reply. Yeah I've streamed stand alone ez drummer and it's fine.. Its just I was wanting to show people how I build up a song using cakewalk daw. I don't understand why it's so difficult. U would have thought there would be a desktop audio option but life's not that simple! Anyways I got the pop punk ezx and loving it. Thanks for the video. Was a good watch!
I use Synchronous Audio Router (the 2nd newest(?) version which has signed drivers unlike the newest) to send my DAW's master output to OBS. Takes a little setup but seems to work well
@@bruisesandbeers2569 It looks like Tremendouz might now a better solution. I have a similar one as his but very basic using the free Virtual Cable. I'm not into networking though to give advanced advice. It's super cool stuff though.
@@Tremendouz interesting. I've taken the networking side with the free Virtual Cable which is really cool. It's true capabilities are beyond my skillset though. It's fun stuff.
Coming out of first 8 going into loop without click was a little off. But still impressive software. On funk AI should have went with a 3/4 time. Can you change or tweak its suggestions? Also Knocking on Heavens Door should suggest a Jazz freestyle. Does it ask what type beat/music you wanna play?
You can tweak. In this vid I was only testing the AI reading transients.
It doesn't ask, you select it. I have a another Bandmate vid on my channel and another coming in a few hours if you're interested.
Is there a way to get a fill at the end of the bar? Or is it just a straight beat?
For now I think not. Even if I drag a 1 bar crazy drum fill into Bandmate, it will still give me a backback.
Did you say that we can't drag and drop audio segments from our DAW?? That sounds like same problem with EZBass.
Some DAWs support drag n drop to plugins and some don't.
I'm missing the point of band mate. Tupically I'll record in the daw a song or song part to a click track. Then I tap to find in easy drummer 2 for some grooves. Put them on the timeliness and with follow host turned on boom everything works. What does band mate add?
We all have totally different workflows. You can see people are loving it. But if you already know what you want, there's really no point. Or if your workflow is 100% for you, why do these extra steps. I love Bandmate, I'm not sure if I'll ever use it though, we'll see. They may also keep developing it. What's up, Spyder!
Greetings, I'm new to the channel, new to EZ3. Thanks for all your obvious hard work. You may already be doing this somewhere but here's a request/suggestion: please list your videos in some kind of sequence so as a student learner I can "graduate" through the levels in logical order from beginner to intermediate to advanced. Make sense? Thanks, -JD
The first almost 10 videos are definitely for beginners. After that it is very subjective on which part of the program one would want to learn. Welcome to the channel!
Does bandmate detect funky time signatures??? take a riff and put it in and the timing change will tell you what you are playing in??
Long time, welcome! If someone else doesn't reply, I'll get back to you.
I've noticed that it needs a perfect loop to work best.
Certainly!
I'm bald and I had hair the 1st time I saw a shootie school video.
Hi Richard. The channel does not seem old, but I'm probably going on 8 years! Love your comment.
*29:37 meant to say Custom "Tempo" maps. not "Midi"
Toontrack really needs to pay you brother ! love from Sweden !!
Thanks so much for saying! ...and welcome.
Did way better than I expected I think the key is to do what u did play your guitar as clean as possible no effects etc once you record the audio most daws you can drag and stretch the audio to line up with the beat if needed without changing the pitch so yeah awesome job looking good now go sleep mate you deserve it 😊
You watched the whole thing? You’re a trooper! You’ve got the right idea with reverse engineering the order of editing. The users gotta have that skill set is all.
@@ShootieSchool of course I watched it all! Of course it's supposed to be EZ so many people have no idea and that's ok
@@williamshaneblyth lol
The country chords part... interesting. It's obviously off, but it sounds like it's consistently off by exactly an eighth note. Like the AI has the right tempo, it's just confused where the 1 is.
One thing to note is, the start times are accurate enough to test... so drift does exist. Your comment inspired this assumption though, AI has to be misjudging beat 2, or 3, or 4... then the domino effect happens. It should always know what beat 1 is, since the user defines it. Thanks for commenting,, gonna keep my ear open for this.
Love it! Toontrack rocks! You should check out the album by The Shaggs. Deemed the worst album ever recorded, reminded me of what you were trying to replicate playing out of time. Keep up the great work. #forthemusic2022
ha!
Wow this thing is AMAZING! Feeling hopeful about half-way in that I've just found my "no-time-for-real-drummer-practice-replacement". It's playing better than Lars... lol JUST KIDDING! Still pretty impressive!
Do you test this with a reggae, ska grooves? Does it shows after beat or skank things? Good question no? I do some metal but I want to know everything about this algorithm!
I'm guessing you won't see more results from me on Bandmate for a couple weeks, fyi. I would hope as you select the Filters in the Lower Left to match your genre, it should be somewhat interactive as your hoping.
@@ShootieSchool ok thanx
@@michaelfranz685 One thing that is nifty on the Reggea Genre, if selected, if will swap out the hihat Amount Knob, and replace is with the Second Snare, but only in particular cases. Just a little more info in your area of concern.
@@ShootieSchool I test this right now thank you for your answer
@@michaelfranz685
This was a bit painful to watch and I really liked it. ;)
HA! Great comment, and thank you!
Holy crap you are fast in PT
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I'm hoping you can help me. When I drag a groove down and hit play in my DAW. It doesn't play the beat. It just plays this slow like one two beat.
There's a lot to speculate with your description. Follow Host Button Enabled?
@@ShootieSchool I have 2 Guitar tracks and a Bass track recorded at 140 bpm I drag a groove down just like I would in EZDrummer 2 and it doesn't play right and yes Follow Host is on. I'll try with another song and see what happens.
@@jerryarmitage8904 Drag Down... as in from Grooves Tab to Song Track, or from EZD3 to DAW?
@@ShootieSchool To the song track at the bottom. That's how I always did it on EZ 2
@@jerryarmitage8904 Disable Host and see if it works in EZ. If so, it's an issue between the DAW and EZ. Which DAW?
Dude, you should check the variations down in your left corner under Genre and Matching grooves within Bandmate. Had you for example chosen Metal as a genre on your first audiofile you most probably would have gotten an even better result. Experimenting with those combined with the amount knobs for snare, bd and hh gave me close to perfect result. And of course bandmate wont work if the tempo is drifting og lacks transients to analyse and find the tempo,... duh :). However. Have you recorded to a click.... I threw in a bunch of different guitars with and without effect, direct and processed and was amazed at the results. Once I had something good, but wanted som small tweeks, boom right into Grid editor.
I did mention that this video was about testing the AI and not producing a drum beat. I did spend a 3rd of the video recording to a click. Listen to the very first paragraph of the entire video... lol
What would happen if you drag and drop some drum wav in? Could it pick it up and play it together with that wav?
Hey, give it a try and let the rest of us know. Don't make Shootie do ALL the work!
@@iamtheimagedoctor I didn't say Shootie should do it. I was just wondering if it is able to do it like with EZ Bass (importing bass wav and getting bass midi). And: I don't have EZ Drummer 3 yet
@@iamtheimagedoctor It's all good, I appreciate that though.
@@andrija-official I’m not totally clear on your concern. You can import a wave file of bass playing. And you can import a midi file of a baseline. But that’s only to trigger bandmates drumbeat results. The midi file import is pretty crazy since it does have different sound engines to play back your midi file. You can import a midi drum file which is kind of funny. Because there’s a good chance you already have this file in your EZ drummer library. But I think importing a drum audio file is a good idea if you have old-school loops of that, yes it would be quite convenient to match those to Miki. Phone typing*
@@ShootieSchool
What I meant was: with EZ Bass one can import some bass wav and get a EZ Bass generated MIDI. My question was: Is it possible with EZ Drummer 3 Bandmate to import drum wav and get EZ Drummer 3 MIDI?
Your ShortLoose version was... erhhmmm... *interesting*.... LMAO!
I record my song with a basic beat in Logic delete the drum track and export the song then put it in band mate and create a drum beat! It works great
A great workflow.
Using FL Studio allows dragging and dropping of recorded .wav files into bandmate without needing to export/import.
Thanks for the report! Very cool!
Most other DAWs do that too. Protools is just atrocious!
@@cormacredmond12345 Do you know which others? I've been compiling a list.
"Down picking, come on!" *James Has Left The Chat*
HA... yeah, my wrist is good with that!
Loved it when you tried to play out of time haha
You play a Dean?
@@ShootieSchool I’ve had deans and Washburns not anymore. I’m an ESP guy honestly. Best value for the money imo
@@Namelessforever_ It took a few minutes for Dimeslime to ring a bell.... "oh yeah!". Rock on
@@ShootieSchool getcha pull!
Didn't go thru all the comments to see if it was mentioned.... On the last clip you do (really bad timing), can you play back over it after EZD3 has suggested a beat, and see how works out. In other words, did EZD3 give you an in time track that you could go back (after you realize the timing in the original recording sucked) and re-record the guitar to the drum track in time with the drums, and it IS in time and sounds correct, providing you played the guitar part in time with the drums.
That would be a good workflow. I want to say yes, but I have a feeling it’s case sensitive. In this situation I feel yes.
You can just drag the drum midi it suggests into your DAW and then record again.
Great vid. Knocking on Heavens Door - written by Bob Dylan. I like Gun’s version better. I couldn’t imagine writing a song that good - much less write All Along the Watchtower, Blowing In The Wind and so many others. And imagine writing Watchtower and then hearing Hendrix do it.
High Five X 2. I'm all about SRV's Hendrix covers.
This video was good - BUT - it was the country chords that secured the subscribe!
Lol, yes!!!
Sucks you need to bounce out a riff in order for bandmate to create something, is that something they've patched?
Hopefully something they fix/add
I don’t think it’s something they can do since it requires security permissions from your OS. Some daws have a workaround and some don’t. An Audio Sender plug in, like what ezbass has, would be a great solution. I hope that happens.
@@ShootieSchool Ah damn, I have ezbass and the audio sender always crashes my daw, worked for a few days. Couldn't get a refund. Appreciate the response
I see. Have you asked support to assist in fixing this crash at least? Doesn’t seem like a common issue that I’ve heard of.
I wonder if anyone who has used Logic drummer, thinks of bandmate feature and how they compare? Thanks
Seems alot different to me
I've been meaning to get back to that. No input right now though. What Garageband and Logic include for free or as the base price is impressive from what I remember.
There is no "jazzy" setting to bandmate, where it just registers the hard hits and adds beats that way, rather than always quantized?
This is not a Custom Tempo Map situation if that's what you're referring to. Predetermined tempo grid only.
I am reminded of a Steve Martin film. (The Jerk). Hilarious. His rhythm… was so off. It takes skill to do that.
I use a sampler (it’s an Eventide preset) that allows me to record things. No click. No tempo. But I will play it back and then tap tempo and re-record the part because I’m usually off somewhere. I could time stretch the audio, but I don’t really enjoy editing.
The only problem I have is trying to reproduce a classic song, that wasn’t recorded with a metronome and had a human tempo. Those always wander up and down, and grids are worthless. There’s a few software apps that can map the tempo… and that’s a feature that I always wanted in EZD.
I ended up automating tempo, but that worked best when I did that in advance of any tracking. And that is not very intuitive. You basically record a scratch and then go through hand automating tempo, and then re-record all your parts.
After some time I learned more about that, and how to stretch time of recorded audio, but still. It’s the age old problem of tempo mapping a classic song… I don’t know why, so I can reproduce it? Just what the world needs is another guy doing guitar covers on UA-cam… ;)
It makes my day that you said The Jerk, for an unrelated reason. One of my good buddies and teacher was in that movie.
What apps are you using to Map Tempo or is it a super manual process like playing 100s of tempo changes by hand? I would love to discover a better workflow?
Well hey, if it's good it will be worth doing!
@@ShootieSchool I don’t have any apps myself. My understanding is that it was available to ProTools users. I watched a ton of Eric Valentine at the time and he discussed it.
For me it’s FL Studio and there is no such feature, just manual detection and tempo automations.
I collaborate with various musicians and a friend who uses Studio One can adjust tempo while keeping pitch correct. So when I send him 87bpm he likes it better at 93, I often get my files back at a different tempo! (head explodes)
I think we all love EZD, it is a lot of fun to get our groove on, but the grid, and locked tempo is not a human trait. It’s nice for engineering, but does lose some of the magic human touch.
That’s why sometimes I go crazy with automations. You have a GREAT channel and I really enjoy your presentations. I think we all do.
Thanks for being there for us. -Jim
I have a question at the end so please check it out, but first... thanks for the video. Now I know I'm in the minority here but I was a little disappointed in the bandmate feature. Ultimately your "bandmate" is only as good as the number of midi packs you've purchased, i.e. the size of your midi library. If you haven't bought any add-on midi packs your bandmate is going to suck. It's basically tap2find on steroids, not real AI. I personally think that the AI in EZbass (even if it also uses a midi library) is way better. Again I can't thank you enough for the Groove Monkee info. I bought a midi bundle from them and it has helped me more than the EZD midi library. Now the question. Old projects still load up with EZD2. What is the best way to update an old project that uses EZD2 to use EZD3?
EZD2 will still load in your projects. If you want to switch to EZD3 I'd just make a new instrument track and set it up how you like and copy and paste your midi and then save.
Firstly, not that I disagree but to make an amendment to your statement. Bandmate is Tap2Find plus a basic Edit Play Style combined. So it is capable of making a unique beat on it's own. And then it being possibly gridlock generated beat, if you like it, you can humanize it in the grid editor. It's going to make you do every step, but capable of composing for the most part from scratch. I'm not even sure if I like it or not yet, making this video was literally 90% of my experience with it. Also, you never know what it will be in 6 months worth of updates.
I was thinking of doing to EZD2 to 3 vid before the week ends. Right out of the gate, the FIle Menu in EZD3, look at the very bottom to import EZD2 projects. EZD2 projects in your DAW take quite a few more mouse clicks, but can sill happen which I'll explain shortly along with all of EZD2s User Files, stay tuned.
@@ShootieSchool OK thanks man.
@@stephenr2434 Thanks for stopping by
come on man, i expected at least 10 new EZD3 videos today lolol
better get some rest brother :-)