How Much do Designers Charge?

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  • Опубліковано 17 гру 2024

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  • @mintgreen292
    @mintgreen292 6 років тому +61

    Finally someone who talks in actual numbers with great advice on how to relate it to your skills and region.

    • @william_SMMA
      @william_SMMA 3 роки тому

      Please what's the "spread"
      Does that mean page?

    • @mintgreen292
      @mintgreen292 3 роки тому

      @@william_SMMA A spread is two "facing pages." Like when you open a magazine and lay it flat down, the two pages side-by-side are called a spread.

  • @ravihooda3323
    @ravihooda3323 6 років тому +26

    Matthew is love, Matthew is life

  • @Hamyhamster24
    @Hamyhamster24 3 роки тому +1

    Finally a video that actually gives me pricing info instead of some GENERIC strategy speech that I can watch elsewhere.

  • @juliocoparrota
    @juliocoparrota 6 років тому +24

    This video comes at the right time in my life. Thanks

  • @4TheCreatives
    @4TheCreatives 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for getting specific on pricing. This really helps other designers trying to set their rates.

  • @AbdullaAlSinani
    @AbdullaAlSinani 6 років тому +1

    I really liked the video, the content, and the way you put the information. It was very useful, and easy to understand. Thank you

  • @gcc4426
    @gcc4426 6 років тому +1

    i use per project rate. much more convenient to me. revisions do occur, but not that much. i'm really liking this, matthew!

  • @AhmedMosaad
    @AhmedMosaad 6 років тому +10

    GOLD! this channel is all GOLD. thanks a ton Matthew.

  • @maitreyeek9906
    @maitreyeek9906 6 років тому +8

    Wow, This was good 40 minutes! I would love to see this as a series, it's so informative! I would love to see Mathew, Chris or Emily to talk on different levels of freelancing, making your brand or using online platforms for gaining work! Looking forward to such videos!!! Amazing work, Mathew, loved it!

    • @maitreyeek9906
      @maitreyeek9906 6 років тому

      @@MatthewEncina Well, Yes and even where to or how to seek clients? For eg. I get approached by companies on Behance but I am yet to master LinkedIn, how can I use those platforms for seeking clients as a freelancer?

    • @maitreyeek9906
      @maitreyeek9906 6 років тому

      @@MatthewEncina No, I am little scared and don't know how to exactly approach perfectly?

  • @vikazheng948
    @vikazheng948 5 років тому +1

    This is AWESOME! Love how you explain things, direct, transparent and concise!! please keep uploading!!

  • @jsmith9213
    @jsmith9213 6 років тому +1

    Fabulous and incredibly valuable information, Matthew! Thank you so much! You seem so calm and natural on camera! I imagine you are also as collected in a client meeting.

  • @scotchbudmeister9018
    @scotchbudmeister9018 6 років тому +1

    Doing tasks is great. Knowing why you do the tasks is even better. If someone asks later about the job you did, you'll have a better story attached to your portfolio. Awesome information Matthew - again! Thanks!!

  • @metastract
    @metastract 6 років тому +1

    This is GOLD 🙇‍♀️ Thank you for taking the time to deliver it.

  • @sophiopopkhadze2053
    @sophiopopkhadze2053 4 роки тому +1

    This guy is Fire! I love how Matthew communicates the idea! always high class.

  • @GalvanMonica
    @GalvanMonica 6 років тому +2

    This was so incredibly valuable. Really looking forward to this series continue! I so appreciate how open you, Chris, everyone at the Futur in general has been about being transparent on topics like money. I wish I had this resource back when I was in design school but still glad to have you now 😊

  • @TheLawind
    @TheLawind 6 років тому +1

    This is so full of valuable content that I literally can't watch it while working. Gotta rewatch later with a notepad. Thank you!

  • @colleenstudio
    @colleenstudio 5 років тому +1

    another great one! I was just thinking - all of your staff that I've seen so far on these videos - you guys all have such great personalities. It makes learning so much more fun. Must be a fun place to work. thanks for that!

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  5 років тому

      Thank you. I have a great team.

  • @alfredmb
    @alfredmb 6 років тому +3

    That's the perfect topic which I was looking for since a long time ! Thanks the futur team !

  • @NathanAllotey
    @NathanAllotey 6 років тому +8

    How do you get on the radar of big companies?
    ==
    Wow, I literally said something similar about working with agencies last week at Freelance Conference in Austin, TX.
    1) Copy, Mimic and Emulate how the portfolio of the agency looks with your own work.
    2) Reach out to your counterpart. If you are a web designer then reach out to the web designers who work with the agency and build a relationship with them. One day they will be asked “do you know of any web designers that can help us with this project?” that’s when you will come to mind because you already built a relationship and your work is “similar” to the work the agency already produces.

  • @jakubjezovic
    @jakubjezovic 6 років тому +1

    Matthew you're really good in this, looking forward for more!

  • @MASO204
    @MASO204 4 роки тому +1

    Mr Encina is amazing

  • @simoneblax
    @simoneblax 6 років тому +3

    Matthew. I need more of this. You guys are an addiction.

  • @corbinstack
    @corbinstack 6 років тому +1

    Very very very insightful piece of work guys. Please keep this stuff coming.

  • @zinj2618
    @zinj2618 6 років тому +3

    finally, Actual numbers, this made my day, i'm relatively new to graphic and logo design as a serious business so pricing is has been very difficult for me.

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  6 років тому

      we talk about numbers all the time.

  • @koey6417
    @koey6417 6 років тому +2

    Excellent one, thanks Matthew! so informative and useful

  • @WinnieShek
    @WinnieShek 3 роки тому

    Awesome! Thanks for this, super helpful and lots of food for thought especially when moving back into this arena and setting back up for Freelancing again after 7 years.

  • @procise1982
    @procise1982 6 років тому +1

    Ah Great see Matthew again! Thanks for the knowledge.

  • @artyeuh.studio
    @artyeuh.studio 6 років тому +1

    so sharp and helpful! I'm looking forward to seeing future episodes(especially for the client finding/negotiation process). Also also that Chris cameo caught me off guard, suddenly jumps in like that hahahahaha

    • @artyeuh.studio
      @artyeuh.studio 6 років тому

      I would like to hear about your experience with overseas freelancer/companies and general tips to approach agencies/companies overseas. I'm also curious about the next step after I closed the gap in my works. Do companies actively search for talents that fit their style, or should the freelancer take the initiative and approach them(send portfolio/pitch)? Thank you so much for reading this. I'm from Indonesia and I've worked in that race to zero jobs. Watching your contents changed my mindset and now I'm working to expand my art business! You folks are the best!

  • @NicoleGraphix
    @NicoleGraphix 6 років тому +1

    Super valuable and relevant. Can't wait to dig into applying these! Thanks Matthew!

  • @jazznezzz
    @jazznezzz 6 років тому +1

    Thanks Matthew for being super concise and clear! I was wondering if you could break down the skills & expectations of an art director/project lead for the motion market next.

  • @khandramayorga1308
    @khandramayorga1308 6 років тому +1

    I will be sure to watch! Thank you ... Awesome Matthew.

  • @bobby2302
    @bobby2302 6 років тому +1

    Time well spent on UA-cam today!

  • @Littleme347
    @Littleme347 5 років тому +1

    I can't thank you enough! God bless you, my dude!

  • @jnesis555
    @jnesis555 6 років тому +1

    Dude! Matt. Holy sh*t! The content you, Ben, and the rest of the team--- everything you guys put out is amazeballs! I super appreciate all the minute details thefutur provides. You guys truly shine and contribute to the channel in significant ways. Sure, most of us started off with Chris over the years, but there are so many details you and Ben cover that many of us as viewers don't have the opportunity of learning, experiencing, or figuring out from our individual lives. I am grateful for everything the entire team contributes to this industry and raising our entire growth as professionals both new and experienced!

  • @joacosilva88
    @joacosilva88 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks a lot for sharing your experience!!!

  • @rayf3244
    @rayf3244 6 років тому +1

    Very thoughtful and insightful. Thank you.

  • @henkel777
    @henkel777 6 років тому +2

    Another great one, guys!

  • @neekodavid5981
    @neekodavid5981 6 років тому

    Great content The Futur team! Thanks for sharing your knowledge Matthew, you the boss!

  • @ErwinJ7
    @ErwinJ7 4 роки тому +1

    Love this!!

  • @anotheradhdguy
    @anotheradhdguy 6 років тому +1

    Great video guys!

  • @lydiawere
    @lydiawere 5 років тому

    I love these videos! thank you so so much for sharing Mathew, this is very helpful. Now let me get to work in applying what I've learned. Looking delightfully forward to the next video.

  • @davidsmusic
    @davidsmusic 3 роки тому +1

    Such a great video! Awesome! 👏🏻 👏🏻 why didn’t I found you before guys? 😭 I’m enjoying every day watch your videos. Regards!!

  • @TheChocolateHorse
    @TheChocolateHorse 6 років тому +1

    Nice work! Good stuff!

  • @mnkysee01
    @mnkysee01 6 років тому +1

    wow, what a great content, thank you so much for giving us value and information for free, i have learned so much from the futur, i cant even believe its all free

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  6 років тому

      It’s not free. It costs us to make this stuff.

  • @kilianmcmann
    @kilianmcmann 6 років тому +1

    This was super helpful, thanks!

  • @krakatoom
    @krakatoom 6 років тому +2

    Thank you Matthew and the whole futur team. Special thanks to Matt for the gentle and helpful presentation. Best wishes Gaudenz

    • @krakatoom
      @krakatoom 6 років тому

      @@MatthewEncina not at,all. I think Chris is gentle as well some people do not see this. I described the charisma that you send out as Matthew. This debate on Chris being harsh is unfair and It is untrue. I love Chris' way of presenting knowledge and sharing his time and view. When he reacts to others he is mostly right. Send him my best wishes. Cheers Gaudenz

  • @NukeWand
    @NukeWand 6 років тому +3

    the way Chris ran in at the end :D

  • @wanpotutu1285
    @wanpotutu1285 6 років тому +2

    Good stuff son!!

  • @abdesign1296
    @abdesign1296 6 років тому +1

    Thanks for this video! It is a huge help!

  • @yuchenliu5417
    @yuchenliu5417 6 років тому +2

    Waiting for next friday! LOL

  • @elisheba.art-design
    @elisheba.art-design 6 років тому +1

    Thank you so much for this video... It was extremely helpful!

  • @erickdavid4257
    @erickdavid4257 5 років тому +1

    Matthew, you just saved my Graphic Designer career.

    • @jkhun3191
      @jkhun3191 4 роки тому

      Erick Rodríguez did he

  • @BoomlandJenkins
    @BoomlandJenkins 6 років тому +1

    Good video, thanks. The word you may have been looking for is "experienced" instead of smarter.
    BTW, I charge my local (NY) rates on Fiverr and get plenty of business (more than I can keep up with). People looking for cheap labor will buy into cheap labor. People looking for US-based developers with experience will pay proper rates. It's not a race to the bottom if you don't make it one.

  • @svitlanakyfiak5566
    @svitlanakyfiak5566 6 років тому +4

    Hi Matthew, 🙋🏻‍♀️
    will you have an episode where you explain more on taxes for freelancers? Where to start? How to organize the whole process? Thank you🙏🏼☀️

  • @marekgrajczynski3524
    @marekgrajczynski3524 6 років тому +1

    So valuable video. Chris should know by now: Matthew is a Kingslayer!

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  6 років тому

      Yes he is. Wait, is this matt’s cousin? Jk

    • @marekgrajczynski3524
      @marekgrajczynski3524 6 років тому

      Yeap, thats Matthew biggest secret: he has family in Poland, where he comes to practice his skills several times a year, especially dancing. @@thefutur

  • @stormtinieblas
    @stormtinieblas 6 років тому +1

    Thanks Matthew just what i need

  • @HectorGarciaCPA
    @HectorGarciaCPA 6 років тому +1

    I been watching educational videos in UA-cam forever (and have my own as well). I am completely dumbfounded by the amount of intellectual capital that is being given away by The Futur team... Of course, this may be redundant, because if you are the actually reading the comments, you know this already, LOL
    I don't know much about the design industry, but if I was a graphic designer, I would probably want to work for these people... There is no doubt in my mind, that these guys will be the next Ogilvy.
    That being said... I think Freelancers can charge fixed-fees as well; there needs to be some clarity on scope... the term "hired gun" obviously doesn't help, LOL

    • @HectorGarciaCPA
      @HectorGarciaCPA 6 років тому

      Matthew Encina yes I am a CPA (and a UA-camr LOL) so I work with a lot of creative firms and freelancers.
      When you say “write-offs” I imagine you are referring to tax deductions... if that is the case, is hard to do it justice in a post like this.
      Anyway, I would say the the top Deductions most often missed or misunderstood are:
      1) Auto expenses (lease vs purchase, mileage tracking, etc)
      2) Home office expenses (specially with utilities and internet bills)
      3) Meals and Entertainment (probably the worst culprit of audited returns)
      4) Clothing (AKA Uniforms)
      5) Employees vs Contractors.
      The other big issue to me, is all these freelancers without their S-Corps... filing As sole proprietors and or Single Member LLCs does not properly separate business and personal, and all the reporting is commingled, which increases the audit exposure and is harder to justify the business Deductions from the personal expenses.
      But the number one issue at the end of the day is recordkeeping.. getting the creative types to have some discipline around receipts and recording expenses in an accounting system like QuickBooks is like herding cats.. but the ones that do, make out alright... Most IRS audits are mostly around presentation and organization... which give you the credibility for substantiation of your business expenses (plus your evidence, of course)
      I could go on and on LOL. I got this one hour video where I go into detail if you want to see : m.ua-cam.com/video/WmB16oZJrnc/v-deo.html
      If you need me on your show to pick my brain in tax deductions for your industry, I would gladly do it... there is just too much to discuss PLUS the big elephant in the room, the 2018 Tax Reform, that changes the game for all small business owners making less than $315k per year.

  • @VishalBakhaswala
    @VishalBakhaswala 6 років тому +1

    Thank you, Matthew

  • @angramon
    @angramon 6 років тому +2

    Hello, Matthew first I want to say it was nice to meet Ben and you in Houston, TX. I like the new series for freelancers. The night you where in Houston you say graphic design is something like sciences. Can you repeat that sentence? Gracias

    • @angramon
      @angramon 6 років тому

      Gracias Matthew.

  • @arce1986
    @arce1986 6 років тому +1

    thanx a lot Matthew!!

  • @seanodanielsart
    @seanodanielsart 6 років тому +2

    Well done! (Watch out Chris!)

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  6 років тому +1

      I’m proud of Matt’s growth.

  • @jackshellington5477
    @jackshellington5477 6 років тому +1

    Wow, i love this guy

  • @renemarcelofernandezmerlo8278
    @renemarcelofernandezmerlo8278 4 роки тому

    Thank you guys, this video is amazing

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  4 роки тому

      Glad to hear René

  • @mihaibacrau802
    @mihaibacrau802 6 років тому +1

    Saving and naming files. That's a no1 criteria for me as well.

  • @kr8047
    @kr8047 6 років тому +1

    Thank you! This is so helpful. :)

  • @hydranine
    @hydranine 4 роки тому +1

    @Matthew Encina I would be interested in knowing or seeing a screenshot of what you would consider good file/saving hygiene. I have instituted standard naming conventions and such in another industry on teams I have worked in, but getting adoption can be problematic sometimes because folks are lazy. What do you do to effectively institutionalize the standard protocol for good storage/file hygiene?

  • @IanEfford
    @IanEfford 6 років тому +4

    Thanks for this information Matthew! I just finished watching the value based pricing video you guys did and I am confused after this video. Were you saying that value based pricing is project specific, so if I am working on a big client or a big job I should use value based and for any other job I should use the other pricing models?

    • @IanEfford
      @IanEfford 6 років тому

      Oh I see. Thanks for replying.

    • @harryliangTV
      @harryliangTV 6 років тому

      Should we ever take a royalty based model? I know some start ups that want to model payment in terms of how many packages get printed, etc.

  • @ChDaniel
    @ChDaniel 6 років тому +2

    gogo matthew!!!

  • @RJ-dz1hu
    @RJ-dz1hu 6 років тому +1

    Great video THANK YOU

  • @tommygee4262
    @tommygee4262 6 років тому +2

    Great job Matthew... I would like to learm more about workflow structures, i am corrently working on something alike.
    BTW it is a myth that in Eastern Europe cost of living is low. It was true 20+ years ago, but not anymore. Eastern Europe is not uniform.

    • @aldonazawada8661
      @aldonazawada8661 6 років тому

      Tommy Gee it is relatively cheap,You can live decently with 500$ a month

    • @coffeetime95
      @coffeetime95 6 років тому

      Aldona Zawada Are you kidding?

  • @thepriyankar
    @thepriyankar 5 років тому +1

    wrong spelling of the word "Principle" on your slide at time 10:00

  • @djlive408
    @djlive408 6 років тому +1

    Very good stuff!

  • @michaelz8235
    @michaelz8235 5 років тому +1

    I'm definitely charging myself too low in Chicago. Once get back into freelancing will charge more.

  • @Owo4D
    @Owo4D 6 років тому +1

    Super helpful insight. Thanks @thefutur

  • @Maximforall
    @Maximforall 6 років тому +1

    When you showed to the sheets eg. "hourly daily project rate". I think it could be more exiting to watch if you just reveal the single steps while talking. So the audience doesnt see everything from the start. Cheers.

  • @adamboujouf5133
    @adamboujouf5133 6 років тому +1

    Love your content

  • @bolverkr84
    @bolverkr84 6 років тому

    Hi! Thanks for all the content you provide. I think it's an important also as starting point for discussion. I must say I found a bit misleading telling people that you can work 1 hour for a logo and that's it, you get 5000 in your pocket. I know the value of a logo isn't related to the time you spent but I don't think anybody would make a quick logo, stops there and get that kind of money. What I believe is that you can come up with the idea of the logo in one hour if you are good but then you have to spend some time to do a basic application and a basic identity. If you are good, fast and organized it will end up with a really good hourly rate but not 5000 for one hour work.

    • @bolverkr84
      @bolverkr84 6 років тому

      Absolutely, I agree with you and you really cleared it out here ;) And I think you don't need to explain it to experienced designer I was just thinking about people with little or none experience. The video was really interesting ;)

  • @SalMi106
    @SalMi106 6 років тому +1

    you talk so much like chris in this video haha its amazing☺️

    • @SalMi106
      @SalMi106 6 років тому +1

      Matthew Encina And it is so true if you start thinking aboud it

  • @raerlymade
    @raerlymade 3 роки тому +1

    What do you mean VBP only works if you are talking to a decision maker? "As a freelancer that is usually not the case, you a hired a gun for a specific task" - I thought there are freelancers who are actually a business (1 man studio and they hire out other designers for a lot of stuff)?

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  3 роки тому

      If you’re a one person business you aren’t a freelancer.

  • @pedroandrade3725
    @pedroandrade3725 5 років тому +1

    Your concept of freelancing here is the Chris concept or is the everybody's concept?

  • @anchorpoint7666
    @anchorpoint7666 6 років тому +1

    Hey Matthew, just trying to get my head around this value-based pricing dilemma. You mentioned in the video that you have not seen Freelancers use it that often or that it would be that applicable to that type of work? if I was a designer that was working with a company on a brand identity project. Designing, strategizing, discovery and the like, would that not be considered a one-off project? Or in other words, a freelance gig? Or would that be considered something else? I'm just trying to consolidate two different streams of information that I'm getting from this video and other videos on the channel. Thanks!

    • @anchorpoint7666
      @anchorpoint7666 6 років тому

      @@MatthewEncinayes I believe I get it. So, if you're 'answering' to a middle man for lack of a better term, and they are reporting to their internal management, then you would be a freelancer. If you're working directly with the decision makers, you're a business... Am I on the same page?

    • @anchorpoint7666
      @anchorpoint7666 6 років тому

      @@MatthewEncina thanks. That makes sense.

  • @AnasAhmed-by7fq
    @AnasAhmed-by7fq 6 років тому +1

    That Chris lol, I was having full volume on my headphone, scared me :p

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  6 років тому

      Sorry. ;)

    • @AnasAhmed-by7fq
      @AnasAhmed-by7fq 6 років тому

      The Futur haha it's ok :) I learnt everything from you :)

  • @ggsarchive
    @ggsarchive 6 років тому +2

    2:11 He was about to say firing freelancers lmao

  • @tonybp
    @tonybp 6 років тому +6

    Saying it like it is... there are a ton of videos out there that tackle on this subject that are just filled with mumbo jumbo and beating around the bush; in the end you end up with nothing or end up more confused than before.

    • @computron5824
      @computron5824 6 років тому

      Matthew Encina I think it's because the whole educational business niche is filled with a ton of "thought leaders", but not that many actual practitioners who are honest about numbers. It's really nice that The Futur has decided to be so transparent with this because a lot of those speakers are encouraging beginners to start businesses without any sort of understanding of the industry. That's a 99.9% failure rate. On the other hand, if you know that the day rate in NYC/LA is $600 then you have a better idea of what kind of money you're dealing with for a professional production. A lot of thought leaders can be summarized with this video: ua-cam.com/video/8S0FDjFBj8o/v-deo.html

  • @CasperEngelmannDK
    @CasperEngelmannDK 6 років тому +2

    Nice AIAIAI headphones :-)

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  6 років тому

      Mine too now thanks to you.

  • @lucianoarmani7056
    @lucianoarmani7056 6 років тому +6

    man when you say 5000$ for a logo i think... WHO PAYS THAT AMOUNT FOR THAT? and how do i get those clients? im lucky if i can get away with 300-500 with all the offerings from india and such doing it for 100$ and under.

    • @waxmaster-c
      @waxmaster-c 6 років тому

      You need to step your game up. If you're already good, you need to step your client game up.

    • @lucianoarmani7056
      @lucianoarmani7056 6 років тому +1

      i would most definitely love to up my client game, do you have any videos or materials on that?

  • @arsaart1
    @arsaart1 6 років тому +1

    Hi Matthew,
    I'm from Ukraine and I have a client from Switzerland, its a small agency, they contacted me and openly say that they looking for a designer from Ukraine because it's very low prices on design services here compared to Switzerland. They charge their clients 3k usd for logo, but they expect to see ukrainian freelance prices from me and its ridiculously low - like 10 times lower than their price for the client. Is it ethical for me to tell them price higher than my price for my lokal clients (who cannot afford 3k usd logo)? Is it ethical for them to pay designer 1/10 of their clients fee ? What part of company's fee your logo designer gets?
    Thanks

  • @wiliamelomaloma5990
    @wiliamelomaloma5990 6 років тому

    Thank you🖖 so much for the awesome💪 content📚. #thebest

  • @zacharyblumstein2121
    @zacharyblumstein2121 6 років тому +2

    Don't forget to mention "how am I going to get the content. And am I going to get the content before the project is due.

  • @SuperMuaz1234
    @SuperMuaz1234 6 років тому

    Can i ask? How much efficient time to practice design for new designer like me? (Sorry for my English)

  • @aimeebelkebruss8944
    @aimeebelkebruss8944 6 років тому

    Would you consider using resources like glassdoor.com to figure out your worth and calculate your rate based on where you're living?

  • @jonasarleth
    @jonasarleth 6 років тому +1

    Matthew!!!!!!

  • @designrubik6026
    @designrubik6026 6 років тому +1

    Great

  • @SonTran-dh9db
    @SonTran-dh9db 5 років тому

    Didn't mention Retainer rate

  • @mahmoudhassan6882
    @mahmoudhassan6882 6 років тому +1

    Thanks alot

  • @Cruzboy
    @Cruzboy 6 років тому +1

    yikes, most clients (here in Australia) would laugh in my face if I tried to charge them 5000 for a logo... my flat rate is 1000 and even then I've had people get upset about it

    • @Ankz92
      @Ankz92 6 років тому

      Try selling "identities" to your clients than just a logo. There will always be clients who want it cheaper. You've got to find the ones who understand and value your design.. here in India you've got people asking for 10$ logos. Ignore those, and move up to clients who can value and pay. (I have charged 3-4k USD to indian clients in the past)
      Keep at it and you'll find your client game soon.
      (Just giving back what I learnt from Chris and watching thefutur :))

  • @doddeddo
    @doddeddo 6 років тому

    wait but the other dude said he charged way more than 800 a day (director fee) , designing a logo..

    • @thefutur
      @thefutur  6 років тому

      I’m not a freelancer. This is for freelances.

  • @OussamaTheOn
    @OussamaTheOn 3 роки тому

    how ca i be succesful freelancer i can design but i don't have money
    hey the future help me

  • @KerrieRedgate
    @KerrieRedgate 3 роки тому

    👏👏👏