The Gentlemen's Hoon Car - The Slip Angle
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Today we put Quinn's Z4 M Coupe or Coupè if you're fancy on the FCP Euro proving grounds at Limerock Park. Is this car a racecar, or just a gentleman's hoon-mobile?
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Still here to say your content isn’t being promoted enough for UA-cam and that y’all are still criminally underrated.
Thank you brother. Sometimes it certainly feels like the algorithm hates us.
I love these z4m's and yours is great. Awesome driving and those shots at the end are beautiful! 😍
Thanks a ton Bobby!
These cars completely change their behaviour with a thicker rear sway bar. It suddenly starts to rotate like a BMW actually should. With the way you drive, that little upgrade would make a world of difference for you.
What size sway bar would you suggest as optimum , or are you stating that anything bigger than the original will “ Improve “ it .
Colin Allen Thickening the rears to 25 mm from the stock 22.5 mm gives amazing results in letting you move the car through a corner in a more natural feeling way. It becomes much more of a neutral car, but then again I enjoy and prefer oversteer at the limit so it might not be for everyone. To me, upgrading the fronts to 30 mm from 27 mm along with the rear doesn’t do much to improve the understeer issue, as the size ratio between the two stays almost the same. This is with the H&R kit by the way. With proper camber to go along with that, it’s a totally different car. I physically cringed watching this whole thing and hearing Quinn’s front tires eating themselves the entire way. I would totally bash the car too if I tried bringing it to track days set up like THAT.
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Thanks for your response , most informative , not a fan of understeer myself so anything that can give a more neutral / natural feel is worth looking at from my perspective …… Thanks again …something to play around with before summer
@@poohbear69muckycow Let me know how it goes if you decide to go that way!
You perfectly described my relationship I have with my E30 that I used to enjoy driving daily until I started working from home due to the unspecified virus of unknown origins.
Right on!
Fantastic! Z4M Coupe here too, I got Nankang AR-1 this year (along with KWV3) and I must say it’s transformed - now at last full confidence on track, which was lacking before. Good front bite too
Thanks as always for the video. I always look forward to see videos from this channel. That engine seemed very nice but the car seem tot ake forever to rotate due to the push of the front end. BTW I added a nb miata to my fleet. It is a joy to drive and hope to do some trackdays with my 14 year old gokart racing son
Awesome man. Unfortunately you can't really hide the cow hanging out well beyond the front axle. Another reason why this is not the best dedicated track car.
Lmao!!! Cow in front of the front axle. I love the rotary engine for many reasons but it is great in the Fd because it sits low and far back in the engine bay. I always look forward to you guys videos. I am starting to make some random videos of my Fd and some of my buddies Fds. We have a family friend group called the triangle of friends. There are 7 Fd owners in total in our What's up app chat. I hope to make some more randoms videos of us when we go out cruising in our cars.
Amazing video. But sadly doesnt detract from the fact that i want that drivetrain in an E36 coupe.
I agree except it needs to go in that 1991 mx5 you see pictured left lol
I think it would fair better in that e36 chassis!
Just found this channel exactly what I’m looking for
My favorite car ever, ive had mine in silver gray for about 6 years and only put 2000 miles on mine.. I work too damn much to use it
Should enjoy it! None of these things matter once we leave here.
Love your channel and content, you guys are living my dream!! And you hit the nail on the head with your BMW description. I'm on my 6th one - love the RWD, manual trans, comfort, and hoonability! 👍😁
2007 BMW Z Coupe is my dream car 0:47
Also, now that I’ve watched this, I will add that yes, everyday I drive in my Bimmer puts a fat smile on my face! However, I was getting frustrated with my Piggly M2C at the race track on Sunday so I started driving it like an asshole just to hoon out of spite and ended up dropping 1.2 seconds off my PB! Lmao!!!
"I can peak any angle I want", and understeer out of the road :D
Oh it's the full suit & tie, very spiff
lol
Since you like to drift I'm surprised you haven't driven a 350z or 370z, they fit directly into the 6 cylinder series.
I've driven both and like them!
I drove the convertible Z4M and loved it. The only thing that bothered me was understeer at the limits. The car wanted me to use throttle based steering input to keep the rear end out and reduce understeer, which is great if you're hooning, but didn't seem like it would make a good track car. It was a fantastic sports/GT car for the street and I love the motor. I'd definitely consider buying one at some point.
You can't hide the 700 lb cow that's hanging completely over the front axle lol
@@TheSlipAngle haha, yeah thats true
The Slip Angle Could you elaborate on that? I know the engine appears to be quite pushed foward in the engine bay, yet BMW and general stats on this car boast perfect 50/50 weight distribution. How does the engine placement translate into the driving experience, if the weight is supposedly so balanced?
It was one of slip angle's videos plus some others on the Z4m coupe that got me sold on one I picked up in March. Love the car but still have a lot to learn about the handling and looking forward to a track day or two next year.
The biggest cause for understeer is the oem 0deg front camber, I reduced that to -2deg and the turn in is great. I suspect Quinn has even more camber.
Also, the Coupe has bigger rear swaybar and quicker steering rack than the Roadster
I would like to see your S2000 against the Z4 on the track.
S2 would destroy the bmw...
@@ap2.v1 That would still be a great video, just fyi. Thanks for the reply 👍🏼
S2000 episode is releasing soon!
If I could own a Z4M Coupe I'd want to daily drive it. Does that seem out of line for such a rare car?
Could totally be done. Just need to mind giving the oil ample warmup time.
Great video!!!
Thank you for watching!!
Hey Quinn, aside from the obvious quantitative difference of the F20C vs the S54 engines, could you write a bit about the subjective difference about how they feel? I'm guessing that the F20C is your favorite NA motor, unless I'm mistaken :)
I've driven both (owned an AP1 S2k), and they feel completely different. The F20C has no torque low down, it's only good above 6k for obvious reasons so it's a very peaky motor to drive. Above 6k the car is deceptively fast (more so than numbers on paper will indicate).
The S54 has more torque low down and the power band is much more linear. You don't really get the feeling of a VTEC crossover as power just builds steadily towards redline. You could say this makes the F20C more exhilarating to drive than the S54, but the S54 has a far more useable power band (and an extra 93hp to boot). They also sound very different. I'm not fan of the 4-cylinder sound, but I love the sound of a straight 6 (this is just personal preference).
The chassis and suspension tuning is also quite different. The S2k feels like a purpose built track car, while all of the incarnations of S54 live in cars that were meant for the street (more comfortable, luxurious, heavier, and easier to daily).
Another thing to consider is the S2k will have lower maintenance costs and is generally more reliable, if that matters to you. But if you want some luxury and practicality with your fun, go with the Z4M/M3. You won't be disappointed with either choice, it just depends on which factors are most important to you. I'd be happy with either.
The F20C feels like a race engine while the S54 feels like sports car engine. The S54 has heavier internals and clutch/flywheel. I get asked this a lot so perhaps we can do another video talking about the two side by side.
The Slip Angle YES PLEASE!
@@TheSlipAngle Would love to support you with research on these engines for that video. I've done a couple of analysis papers on engine development.
Its oki for a BMW.....
shes a screamer though....which is good....:)
The car you would most likely sell first if you had to...?
N x
It would be on the consideration block lol
American guy saying these are not race cars . I think you need to go to Nurburgring , Spa and see whats in the car parks . 🤷♂️
Well I would suspect there would be mostly German cars at a German race track. Doesn't mean that a MacPherson front suspension with an engine hanging well over the front axle is the best base to start from. Drive a stock S2000, RX-8 or FD RX-7, true front midship cars and you'll understand what I mean. and like I said in the video, you can make any car perform with enough money and development into it. To each their own. Thanks for watching.
These becoming so expensive another reason not to track lol
lol
Says the guy standing next to a lambo hehehe