Your mill-turn videos are the best on the internet by far. A co-worker told me about them and I have watched them ever since .If you ever decide to teach a class on mill-turn sign me up.Thanks for the videos .
Adding the graphics was a great idea and definitely helps understand what's going on. I still had trouble keeping up with the all the operations and intersecting holes and why thee order was so important, no fault of yours.
definitely dont worry too much about the sync between video and the cam overlay, the overlay helps so much in visualizing whats really going on with these complex parts
15 years after working at Edge, that's still how I touch my tools off. Super cool how you the simulation during the machining process. Thanks for sharing your immense knowledge. Best CNC channel ever. Keep the vids coming C'MON 50,000 subs
Peter, You’ve really improved your video production as you’ve grown the channel. The insert simulations are a terrific help to understand what you’re teaching on parts with complex internal machining. Thanks
Well, well, well.... I was wrong again when I thought it couldn’t get any better. Great explanations with thought process and order of operation. Excellent as usual. But....using the simulation overlay in the video to visualize is the operation on the inside while showing the actual machining is fantastic. Great idea and application. Thanks for the extra effort !!
The CAM renders to complement the machining are fantastic, Pete. Very much appreciated and really up the quality of your videos. Thanks for sharing, I've learned a bunch professionally (engineering type), especially about how to make parts that *don't* unnecessarily give fabricators heartburn.
Thanks Stefan! It really wasn't that much work. Record a screen shot of the entire simulation. Than insert the bits you want. Than change the speed of the simulation to match the actual footage of the tool running. If you put a mark at the beginning and end of the tool than just keep changing the speed percentage on the simulation clip to match space between the marks. Not to difficult.
You are the MAN. Your technical knowledge, filmwork inside the machine, the X-ray overlays, and your voice overlay. It all works together to make some of the best cnc machining content on the internet in my opinion. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos.
There are so many things about this video that simply impresses (not the right word) me. From the threaded jaws, to the graphics over lay, to just wondering about the feasibility of machining such a part on manual machines. Just seeing the complexity of this part and having it made to look so simple. That's always the signature of a highly skilled masters work. Wow , thats all I've got
Thanks Peter, your video production has changed a lot since the channel began. This video is excellent and the simulations convey the complexity of the operations.
Trabajo impecable...de verdad que no se como este canal no tiene 1 millon de seguidores..tu conocimiento y tu humildad son un ejemplo a seguir..un saludo amigo.
Adding The simulation was a brilliant idea! Always so informative with the voice overs and explaining why to do certain things before others! Always watch your videos before anything else I am subscribed too!
The coolant when you need it and the slight timing differences between Esprit and the machine are 100% ok with me; the knowledge you take the time to share is a gift and I am grateful for it.
the sim in the corner is awesome. yes, echoing what others have said but it's worth saying again. makes the order of operations much more comprehensible.
Thanks for the CAM overlay. Wish my integrex had a large screen over the window showing exactly what was happening minus the coolant. Thanks. It is one nice part.
I was trying to look up what these things you work on are. I think they appear to be what are called downhole sensors to check various aspects of an oil well hole. Pressure, flow rate ect.
Love your videos. Hearing your thoughts on why you chose specific tools and order of operations is endlessly valuable for those of us less knowledgeable. Also, the simulation overlay is amazing. Thank you!!!
Ah! And now it’s is “Cool-Square”, cool with coolant ON and super cool with graphics to “see” what’s going on. Thank you for sharing and adding to an already excellent work.
Love the cam simulation with the machining, great idea Peter! I just purchased and installed a Doosan Mill Turn so these videos are a great reference. Keep em coming, you do the best CNC videos on the planet in my opinion...
Good afternoon Peter. Hope your doing good and I'm looking forward to your next video as I'm sure everybody else is. I also hope that you are managing to stay away from crowds and that damn virus. Hope to see your video soon
I need to get that x-ray vision module you have. When I used to drill intersecting holes all the time, I found that if the holes actually lined up things generally went well even in awful materials. I would intentionally design the parts and drill the holes such that the intersecting drill would not touch the "bottom" of the other hole and it was important to mind the tip angle and only drill to the center of that bore. With a regular fluted drill, you can definitely lose the tip if the wings touch the other side of the bore.
Agreed that the CAM simulation overlay is really cool even if the sync isn't perfect. Had a thought on your camera lens blow off....Enjoyed watching that video as well, but what if you put a second "air knife" forward on the camera to act as an air curtain to try and avoid the coolant hitting the lens. Depending on how hard it is directed at the lens it might deflect some and then the laminar air flow wipe would clear what makes it through the first line of deflecting air... Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us all.
Peter, your works and videos are always more beautiful. at 6.00 you made a masterpiece !!! I admire you a lot. if i lived in america i would like to work with you. Ciao Lorenzo
Peter I've had so much enjoyment from your videos since your very early days - I note you use a lot of Iscar bits - I have two IC908 gun drill tips they are in the box and new - can you use them - is so let me know how I can get them to you - cheers.
Love the videos. Great insight. Usually when i use port tools, i up the feed and decrease the SFM to combat the chatter issue, sometimes adding a short dwell when a better finish is necessary.
Possibly. I thought of grinding the form smaller in diameter. Than circular interpolate it as if it's a milling cutter. I may still do that if I have trouble in the titanium.
Thanks for posting the spelling on that, I heard 'lico', and couldn't find what it was. Here is a marketing video about them for others who are curious: ua-cam.com/video/FoDmbZUW04g/v-deo.html
Thanks a lot for all details you shared dear master. In my country, most of the older machinist do not want to share their experience, that is way I said machinist. You are the master. I am just wondering how do you enlarge pre-drilled holes. These tools were drill or reamer? For example at 10:05 at the video. Probably hou have explained in the video but my english is not enough to catch (: Drills are stabilized with their sharp point, your operations in this video, some of holes are pre-drilled, so there is no material at the center of the hole. How do drills stay steady? Thanks a lot for your attention, Kind regards.
To enlarge a pre-drilled hole depends on how much material is being cut out and the tolerance and finish requirements. One way is to use a larger drill. This will leave the worst finish and is hard on the drill. When drilling out holes that are just a little larger than the existing hole the drill has to be run at a slow speed or it will overheat the tips and cause failure of the tool. The next way would be a reamer type of tool or core drill (Three or four or more flutes). This works good providing you can get coolant in and the shavings out. Milling can be used on a hole that's not to deep. Boring is the final option. I have listed them in the order of finish and precision required also drilling being the least and boring being the most precise.
@@EdgePrecision I heard that, enlarging with end-mill brings cylindricality error. Some says, if you can increase point quantity when creating a circle; But another says increasing point quantity on the path makes the machine slow because axis drivers of machine need to read much more point coordinates. I ment depth of hole is not bigger than helix length of end-mill. Otherwise shank will rub to the part [ I have watched your video about that problem, thanks again :) ] Have you ever experienced this kind of cylindricality problem with enlarging with end-mill? I am asking because if there is any practical way to get shallow holes that covers requirement like bearing-housing, I am tired of buying finish-boring tools :) Thanks a lot for quick and detailed answer, Kind regards,
If you are talking about milling circles or circular interpolation. Yes no machine mills perfect circles. Some are better than others but I would not chose to mill a bore for a bearing race unless the requirements are not critical. It would be better to bore a c-bore for a bearing. If you are referring to just plunging a endmill like a drill. I think that could work if it was cutting to size. It will cut a round hole just plunging in like a drill. Unless you are plunging from solid than it will tend to wobble around and cut oversize.
Fantastic video as always, Peter. My only gripe: they are Lee plugs, not Leco plugs. We use them by the thousands in our hydraulic valves and manifolds.
Your right of course. It’s just that I guess I started calling them that because the drawings notes often says Lee Co. as in Lee company. Sorry for the inaccuracy.
Thanks Peter great vid. When you start the real run of these high dollar (very, I assume) parts, do you still stop and check dimensions alot and babysit the tools? Or do you ever achieve the situation where you can just hit the go button and let it run? Thanks as always, I learn alot!
No this kind of machine work is never just push start and let it run. In fact these kind of jobs I always run with Op-Stop enabled to check things after every tool. This isn't like production machine work. Its more like CNC controlled manual machine work.
Hi Peter! I'm on the verge of convincing the higher-ups that we should purchase a Mill-Turn machine (looking most likely at an integrex i-400S or ST but also considering the Okuma Multus or Doosan SMX ). Honestly, if it wasn't for these videos I wouldn't have given much thought to it. Is there anything I should be aware of that might not be obvious? It's hard to find information on these "niche" machines other than the manufacturers videos who obviously have nothing but good things to say. We have never owned a Mazak machine let alone one of their top-of-the-line machines so I'm expecting a steep learning curve. But, that hasn't stopped me in the past. I'll most likely be Programming and running the machine myself solely so I have the luxury of being able to leave tools set-up in the machine. I have a fair bit of experience with live tool lathes with Y-axis and Subspindles so I'm sure at least some of the same concepts apply. The main reason I'm looking at these machines are the tool capacity and the larger Y-Axis envelope (better than only +-2.000 of most machines). I also like the idea of having the horsepower and rigidity of a full-on milling spindle. The ability to drill/mill on angles is a bonus and will allow us to take on much more complex parts or approach existing parts from another angle (no pun intended). In your experience what are the drawbacks of this style of machine? Ridgidity? Cost of Tooling (probably looking at Capto C6)? How is maintenance? Do you have to perform any kind or alignment regularly? How bad would things be if it were to experience a collision (obviously we avoid this at all costs but I just want to know if the machine will never be the same after...) I don't expect you to answer all of these questions but if you could provide a little insight on what it's like to own/operate this machine in juxtaposition to the glamorous videos the manufacturers put out.
I run two Doosan Mx machines and will tell you if something breaks or gets bumped out of alignment it is not a cheap fix. Also when you buy a machine like this spend the money to get good chucks and tool holders.We ended up buying the inoflex chucks at 10k a piece, but totally worth it. Also get a software package that has bullet proof simulations of the machine and model everything. If that B axis spindle gets hit hard or goes out you are looking at anywhere from 50-60k in repairs. And also expect a pretty decent learning curve to get a handle on the TCPC, coordinate rotation, and specific cycles related to the machine you buy. They are powerful machines, but require you to put in the time to learn it.
For port threads I've heard that you need to have a dwell at the bottom of the cut, like at least 1.5 revolutions worth. Do you ever use dykem or something to check that the seat is fully cut?
Yes a dwell could be good. But it could also cause chatter. I rarely ever us Dykem for anything. For one thing its to thick. A sharpie permanent marker is better.
When thread milling can the thread start point be specified if necessary? A video about thread milling would be very interesting. Excellent video as always, thanks Peter
There are a few possible ways to do this if the timing of the thread is critical for the mating part. First is to program without worrying about it than see where it ends up (Maybe even run a sample part) Than rotate the tool path in the axis of the thread to the angle you need in the Cam software. Or a very similar way just manually program a rotation in the G-Code (the least desirable way). Or draw the actual helix of the thread in the Cam software in the proper location than use a mill profile along that helix to program the thread. This could have a advantage if you also need to mill a blunt start on the thread.
Hey you finally finished it. But do you really plan to hold the part at the tailstock end chucked on the threads? And what do you plan to do with all that cash coming your way? Cheers!
Because the Acme thread is flat on it's OD and the soft jaws are bored to the same diameter as the thread this wont damage the thread. I wouldn't recommend doing this with a V thread though. The part still has a lot to go. You will see.
This is for an Oscar. The simulation overlay (or to a side) makes it the best. Did I understood correctly, this is an Aluminum “test” run and the real work will be on Titanium?
Fascinating as always. The graphics simulations are very helpful. You mentioned several times that the designer of the part will be inserting some plugs into various holes, but I can't catch the name that you use. Are they proprietary, and if so, what are they called?
What industry or application is this machined part destined for ? I've been trying to imagine where and how this might be used, but I remain clueless :)
@@EdgePrecision Thanks for the response :) It'd be cool to be a fly on the wall during those guys design sessions for this stuff. The complexity of the equipment they use is unreal, and watching you routinely do what you do, with the toughest of materials, turning out such high precision work just blows my mind. Thanks for sharing your work with us here :)
could you run the form tools in titanium test cupons to see if they chatter as much, before running them in the actual part? the overlays are neat, i hope they don't make video production too much of a burden.
Hey Peter, Where do you like to control your tool diameters? In the CAM or in the control of the machine and do you have a strong reason of why you do so?
I program the finish tools with cutter comp so as to use the offsets in the machine. That way you can use the same program with different tools. Because tools wear as you use them you can make small changes at the machine. Otherwise you would have to keep reprocessing code over and over. To get things to size as the tools wear.
The CAM overlay for the undercut was really cool!
Very cool 👍
Agreed, very cool touch!
It helped out tremendously. Very cool.
,,, double cool .
100%
The simulation running with the machine was awesome to get to look through the the part to see what was happening. Nice work.
Your mill-turn videos are the best on the internet by far. A co-worker told me about them and I have watched them ever since .If you ever decide to teach a class on mill-turn sign me up.Thanks for the videos .
Adding the graphics was a great idea and definitely helps understand what's going on. I still had trouble keeping up with the all the operations and intersecting holes and why thee order was so important, no fault of yours.
so do you get it now?
definitely dont worry too much about the sync between video and the cam overlay, the overlay helps so much in visualizing whats really going on with these complex parts
CAM simulation overlay was awesome!! Perfect mix of seeing what's supposed to happen and seeing the action 'in the flesh'
15 years after working at Edge, that's still how I touch my tools off. Super cool how you the simulation during the machining process. Thanks for sharing your immense knowledge. Best CNC channel ever. Keep the vids coming C'MON 50,000 subs
Peter, You’ve really improved your video production as you’ve grown the channel. The insert simulations are a terrific help to understand what you’re teaching on parts with complex internal machining. Thanks
Peter,the simulation added while machining is so good 👋
More so when all the work is internal 👍
Thank you so much for the content 👍
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I'm convinced that part is to repair a alien spacecraft.
The simulation overlay was fantastic!
Thank you for taking the time and effort to produce this content I/we appreciate it greatly.
Well, well, well.... I was wrong again when I thought it couldn’t get any better. Great explanations with thought process and order of operation. Excellent as usual. But....using the simulation overlay in the video to visualize is the operation on the inside while showing the actual machining is fantastic. Great idea and application. Thanks for the extra effort !!
Thank you Peter for showing us all the actual machining of the part!! There is nothing better than watching you do your magic!! It’s mesmerizing
That simultaneous graphics simulation during the machining was beautifully done! Split screen action at it's best! Thanks
The CAM renders to complement the machining are fantastic, Pete. Very much appreciated and really up the quality of your videos. Thanks for sharing, I've learned a bunch professionally (engineering type), especially about how to make parts that *don't* unnecessarily give fabricators heartburn.
Great video! The Cam Overlay is for sure a ton of work, but helps a lot to visulise whats going on.
Thanks Stefan! It really wasn't that much work. Record a screen shot of the entire simulation. Than insert the bits you want. Than change the speed of the simulation to match the actual footage of the tool running. If you put a mark at the beginning and end of the tool than just keep changing the speed percentage on the simulation clip to match space between the marks. Not to difficult.
You are the MAN. Your technical knowledge, filmwork inside the machine, the X-ray overlays, and your voice overlay. It all works together to make some of the best cnc machining content on the internet in my opinion. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos.
There are so many things about this video that simply impresses (not the right word) me. From the threaded jaws, to the graphics over lay, to just wondering about the feasibility of machining such a part on manual machines. Just seeing the complexity of this part and having it made to look so simple. That's always the signature of a highly skilled masters work. Wow , thats all I've got
Simulation overlay is a winner.
Thanks Peter, your video production has changed a lot since the channel began. This video is excellent and the simulations convey the complexity of the operations.
Really enjoyed seeing the CAM as well. Helped visualize what was really happening.
I agree, the CAM overlay is a big help in understanding the machining process. Great video.
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Gorgeous overlays of the simulation. Truly amazing. Thanks friend.
Adding The simulation was a brilliant idea! Always so informative with the voice overs and explaining why to do certain things before others! Always watch your videos before anything else I am subscribed too!
Peter, really nice combo and your air lens works near flawless clearing coolant. Best informational no nonsense content on NC machining I've found.
Definitely keep this up. I appreciate your approach to these complex machining processes.
Beautiful work Peter, enjoyed!
ATB, Robin
YOU SAID THANK'S FOR WATCHING. I SAY A BIG THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE VIDIO, SO WELL EXPLANED, WIHT GRAFICKS . YOUR BEST YET. REGARD.
i always appreciate your content. You help me think of solutions for some turning operations and hopefully one day be able to use live tooling.
The coolant when you need it and the slight timing differences between Esprit and the machine are 100% ok with me; the knowledge you take the time to share is a gift and I am grateful for it.
Awesome video 2 👍👍
Incredibly complex part, and a lot of pressure on you to get it right.
Blimey 🇬🇧
Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Great overlays it gives a true aspect of the finished part!!!!
Amazing part, work and video. Thank you so much for Making theese type of videos!
Hey Pete you are the best Machinist i ever seen.✌
The detail on this part is amazing!
Excellent job on the edit! A real pleasure to watch.
Thanks!
the sim in the corner is awesome. yes, echoing what others have said but it's worth saying again. makes the order of operations much more comprehensible.
Thanks for the CAM overlay. Wish my integrex had a large screen over the window showing exactly what was happening minus the coolant. Thanks. It is one nice part.
Nice job doing that video overlay, well done. I would never have visualized it without.
Going to be some amazing parts for sure.
Good job on getting the Cam to show thru, it was very helpful. Charles
I was trying to look up what these things you work on are. I think they appear to be what are called downhole sensors to check various aspects of an oil well hole. Pressure, flow rate ect.
Love your videos. Hearing your thoughts on why you chose specific tools and order of operations is endlessly valuable for those of us less knowledgeable. Also, the simulation overlay is amazing. Thank you!!!
Wow. Great video. Thanks.
Ah! And now it’s is “Cool-Square”, cool with coolant ON and super cool with graphics to “see” what’s going on. Thank you for sharing and adding to an already excellent work.
Adding the overlays were an awesome idea Peter!
The undercut is the star, very impressive and educational video sir.
Amazing work. The side/corner simulation is great to watch when the view is blocked with coolant. Applaud your work, once again.
The simulation overlays are great! Good presentation!
Also, I remain glad to see you're still thread milling :-)
Ya showing the Sim is great
Really like the graphics overlays, very helpful for clarity. Thanks as always.
Love the cam simulation with the machining, great idea Peter! I just purchased and installed a Doosan Mill Turn so these videos are a great reference. Keep em coming, you do the best CNC videos on the planet in my opinion...
Thank you Peter. Excellent as always.
With these complicated parts do your customers ever consult you in the design phase to optimise manufacturability?
I usually don't get the part at that phase. But there have been a few times.
Peeter. Your set ups are Veary helpful procedures 👍😁 .Like a Bag of Tricks 🙌
great work sir
Amazing!!! Sophisticated projects.
Good afternoon Peter. Hope your doing good and I'm looking forward to your next video as I'm sure everybody else is. I also hope that you are managing to stay away from crowds and that damn virus. Hope to see your video soon
No virus problems here so far. Just been really busy on this job and haven't had time for video. Thanks.
Really cool how u overlaid the simulation 👌🏻!! I am always waiting for your videos, they’re so interesting.
Excellent as always
I love these videos! Keep it up, great idea to show the graphics
Cool simulation inserts 👍👍
it would be awesome if you could make a video talking about feeds and speeds for turning different materials.
Keep the frackers happy.
Beautiful Work! You are the man!
I need to get that x-ray vision module you have.
When I used to drill intersecting holes all the time, I found that if the holes actually lined up things generally went well even in awful materials. I would intentionally design the parts and drill the holes such that the intersecting drill would not touch the "bottom" of the other hole and it was important to mind the tip angle and only drill to the center of that bore. With a regular fluted drill, you can definitely lose the tip if the wings touch the other side of the bore.
Agreed that the CAM simulation overlay is really cool even if the sync isn't perfect.
Had a thought on your camera lens blow off....Enjoyed watching that video as well, but what if you put a second "air knife" forward on the camera to act as an air curtain to try and avoid the coolant hitting the lens. Depending on how hard it is directed at the lens it might deflect some and then the laminar air flow wipe would clear what makes it through the first line of deflecting air... Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us all.
The Air alone isn't enough to stop the high pressure coolant. I do have other ideas. Just not enough time to try them yet.
Excellent work, thanks for explaining and showing so much quality!!. :)
I follow you from Argentina always ..
Peter, your works and videos are always more beautiful. at 6.00 you made a masterpiece !!! I admire you a lot. if i lived in america i would like to work with you.
Ciao Lorenzo
Thanks for such valuable content.
great editing Edge!
Peter I've had so much enjoyment from your videos since your very early days - I note you use a lot of Iscar bits - I have two IC908 gun drill tips they are in the box and new - can you use them - is so let me know how I can get them to you - cheers.
Thanks, love it.
Love the videos. Great insight. Usually when i use port tools, i up the feed and decrease the SFM to combat the chatter issue, sometimes adding a short dwell when a better finish is necessary.
I remember that AvE used constantly varying rpm - would that work here?
Good job on the cgi inserts, Peter.
Amazing!
Handy that steady dampened it to get rid of that chatter. If that had not done it would you have tried a different tooling grind?
Possibly. I thought of grinding the form smaller in diameter. Than circular interpolate it as if it's a milling cutter. I may still do that if I have trouble in the titanium.
I've seen lee plugs used for testing, then after passing the test they were removed and the hole welded shut.
Thanks for posting the spelling on that, I heard 'lico', and couldn't find what it was. Here is a marketing video about them for others who are curious: ua-cam.com/video/FoDmbZUW04g/v-deo.html
Thanks a lot for all details you shared dear master.
In my country, most of the older machinist do not want to share their experience, that is way I said machinist. You are the master.
I am just wondering how do you enlarge pre-drilled holes. These tools were drill or reamer? For example at 10:05 at the video.
Probably hou have explained in the video but my english is not enough to catch (:
Drills are stabilized with their sharp point, your operations in this video, some of holes are pre-drilled, so there is no material at the center of the hole. How do drills stay steady?
Thanks a lot for your attention,
Kind regards.
To enlarge a pre-drilled hole depends on how much material is being cut out and the tolerance and finish requirements. One way is to use a larger drill. This will leave the worst finish and is hard on the drill. When drilling out holes that are just a little larger than the existing hole the drill has to be run at a slow speed or it will overheat the tips and cause failure of the tool. The next way would be a reamer type of tool or core drill (Three or four or more flutes). This works good providing you can get coolant in and the shavings out. Milling can be used on a hole that's not to deep. Boring is the final option. I have listed them in the order of finish and precision required also drilling being the least and boring being the most precise.
@@EdgePrecision I heard that, enlarging with end-mill brings cylindricality error.
Some says, if you can increase point quantity when creating a circle;
But another says increasing point quantity on the path makes the machine slow because axis drivers of machine need to read much more point coordinates.
I ment depth of hole is not bigger than helix length of end-mill. Otherwise shank will rub to the part [ I have watched your video about that problem, thanks again :) ]
Have you ever experienced this kind of cylindricality problem with enlarging with end-mill?
I am asking because if there is any practical way to get shallow holes that covers requirement like bearing-housing,
I am tired of buying finish-boring tools :)
Thanks a lot for quick and detailed answer,
Kind regards,
If you are talking about milling circles or circular interpolation. Yes no machine mills perfect circles. Some are better than others but I would not chose to mill a bore for a bearing race unless the requirements are not critical. It would be better to bore a c-bore for a bearing. If you are referring to just plunging a endmill like a drill. I think that could work if it was cutting to size. It will cut a round hole just plunging in like a drill. Unless you are plunging from solid than it will tend to wobble around and cut oversize.
Fantastic video as always, Peter. My only gripe: they are Lee plugs, not Leco plugs. We use them by the thousands in our hydraulic valves and manifolds.
Your right of course. It’s just that I guess I started calling them that because the drawings notes often says Lee Co. as in Lee company. Sorry for the inaccuracy.
Ahhhh makes sense. We also use Koenig plugs, which have a soft steel shell and a hardened ball bearing in the center.
Do you slow the feed rate down when the gun drill is intersecting holes? Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Paolo Fracalanza no the gun drill is already feeding slow enough.
Thanks Peter great vid. When you start the real run of these high dollar (very, I assume) parts, do you still stop and check dimensions alot and babysit the tools? Or do you ever achieve the situation where you can just hit the go button and let it run? Thanks as always, I learn alot!
No this kind of machine work is never just push start and let it run. In fact these kind of jobs I always run with Op-Stop enabled to check things after every tool. This isn't like production machine work. Its more like CNC controlled manual machine work.
Hi Peter! I'm on the verge of convincing the higher-ups that we should purchase a Mill-Turn machine (looking most likely at an integrex i-400S or ST but also considering the Okuma Multus or Doosan SMX ). Honestly, if it wasn't for these videos I wouldn't have given much thought to it. Is there anything I should be aware of that might not be obvious? It's hard to find information on these "niche" machines other than the manufacturers videos who obviously have nothing but good things to say. We have never owned a Mazak machine let alone one of their top-of-the-line machines so I'm expecting a steep learning curve. But, that hasn't stopped me in the past. I'll most likely be Programming and running the machine myself solely so I have the luxury of being able to leave tools set-up in the machine. I have a fair bit of experience with live tool lathes with Y-axis and Subspindles so I'm sure at least some of the same concepts apply. The main reason I'm looking at these machines are the tool capacity and the larger Y-Axis envelope (better than only +-2.000 of most machines). I also like the idea of having the horsepower and rigidity of a full-on milling spindle. The ability to drill/mill on angles is a bonus and will allow us to take on much more complex parts or approach existing parts from another angle (no pun intended). In your experience what are the drawbacks of this style of machine? Ridgidity? Cost of Tooling (probably looking at Capto C6)? How is maintenance? Do you have to perform any kind or alignment regularly? How bad would things be if it were to experience a collision (obviously we avoid this at all costs but I just want to know if the machine will never be the same after...) I don't expect you to answer all of these questions but if you could provide a little insight on what it's like to own/operate this machine in juxtaposition to the glamorous videos the manufacturers put out.
I run two Doosan Mx machines and will tell you if something breaks or gets bumped out of alignment it is not a cheap fix. Also when you buy a machine like this spend the money to get good chucks and tool holders.We ended up buying the inoflex chucks at 10k a piece, but totally worth it. Also get a software package that has bullet proof simulations of the machine and model everything. If that B axis spindle gets hit hard or goes out you are looking at anywhere from 50-60k in repairs. And also expect a pretty decent learning curve to get a handle on the TCPC, coordinate rotation, and specific cycles related to the machine you buy. They are powerful machines, but require you to put in the time to learn it.
I'm a simple man, I see edge prec... And automatically touch.
For port threads I've heard that you need to have a dwell at the bottom of the cut, like at least 1.5 revolutions worth. Do you ever use dykem or something to check that the seat is fully cut?
Yes a dwell could be good. But it could also cause chatter. I rarely ever us Dykem for anything. For one thing its to thick. A sharpie permanent marker is better.
What kind of cycle time will the titanium part have? Does the software give you a “ballpark”.
Is there any possibility that you could teach a class on the mill turn lathes?
Regards LeRoy
🇧🇷Daniel Machado - Brazil 🇧🇷
When thread milling can the thread start point be specified if necessary? A video about thread milling would be very interesting. Excellent video as always, thanks Peter
When you say start point what do you mean? Are you referring to a rotational start or a Z start or top of the hole?
@@EdgePrecision Rotational start of the thread at the top of the hole
There are a few possible ways to do this if the timing of the thread is critical for the mating part. First is to program without worrying about it than see where it ends up (Maybe even run a sample part) Than rotate the tool path in the axis of the thread to the angle you need in the Cam software. Or a very similar way just manually program a rotation in the G-Code (the least desirable way). Or draw the actual helix of the thread in the Cam software in the proper location than use a mill profile along that helix to program the thread. This could have a advantage if you also need to mill a blunt start on the thread.
@@EdgePrecision Thanks Peter
Hey you finally finished it. But do you really plan to hold the part at the tailstock end chucked on the threads? And what do you plan to do with all that cash coming your way? Cheers!
Because the Acme thread is flat on it's OD and the soft jaws are bored to the same diameter as the thread this wont damage the thread. I wouldn't recommend doing this with a V thread though. The part still has a lot to go. You will see.
What alloy of Titanium is this? Has a beautiful finish.
I resist saying because of customer problems. The part in this video is the aluminum setup part.
@@EdgePrecision - Got it. It was curious how "quickly" the machining was going for a titanium piece.
This is for an Oscar. The simulation overlay (or to a side) makes it the best. Did I understood correctly, this is an Aluminum “test” run and the real work will be on Titanium?
Yes this is the aluminum setup part in this video. The actual parts are titanium.
Peter do you ship your test piece to customer so they can say "yes" or "no" to the part or is the test piece just for you?
Great production. Two questions. What are you using for a thread mill and what are the holders like the one right at the start?
The thread mills in this video are Iscar brand. Are you referring to the collet chucks? If so they are Kiser Big Daishowa Mega E collet chucks.
@@EdgePrecision Thank you.
Fascinating as always. The graphics simulations are very helpful. You mentioned several times that the designer of the part will be inserting some plugs into various holes, but I can't catch the name that you use. Are they proprietary, and if so, what are they called?
Check this link provided in a previous comment. ua-cam.com/video/FoDmbZUW04g/v-deo.html
What industry or application is this machined part destined for ? I've been trying to imagine where and how this might be used, but I remain clueless :)
The Petro Chemical industry. Or Oil field instrumentation.
@@EdgePrecision Thanks for the response :) It'd be cool to be a fly on the wall during those guys design sessions for this stuff. The complexity of the equipment they use is unreal, and watching you routinely do what you do, with the toughest of materials, turning out such high precision work just blows my mind. Thanks for sharing your work with us here :)
could you run the form tools in titanium test cupons to see if they chatter as much, before running them in the actual part? the overlays are neat, i hope they don't make video production too much of a burden.
Yes and I have done that before. The video overlays are not to much trouble. But I think they are necessary for understanding.
@@EdgePrecision they are pretty cool. i hope the customer doesn't get bent out of shape about showing too much.
Hey Peter, Where do you like to control your tool diameters? In the CAM or in the control of the machine and do you have a strong reason of why you do so?
I program the finish tools with cutter comp so as to use the offsets in the machine. That way you can use the same program with different tools. Because tools wear as you use them you can make small changes at the machine. Otherwise you would have to keep reprocessing code over and over. To get things to size as the tools wear.