Peter you appear to be the first person to hold a part in a 72 jaw chuck 😄 Joking aside thank you for the insight and the time you put into your videos. I'm not at the point in my life where I have parts like this to manage but I am glad to know that it is possible.
Cool part and even cooler set up. I contend imagination is half the challenge to overcoming difficulty. Once you can imagine what needs to happen, the rest is just putting it all together. Well done Peter.
It's always fun trying to machine some small parts in a big machine. Reminds me of a time I made some firing pins in a Doosan 2100SY, I held a pin in a collet in the sub-spindle to support the end when I milled some flats, was barely able to get the tool down to the part.
I'm 26 and I've been into CNC since 2019, and I've been trying to get away from the job shop stuff and find something where I can challenge myself. As always It's awesome to see content like this that really pushes the envelope of what you can do. These shops around here are always run by somebody with a business degree that wont take anything but simple work.
If you really want to challenge yourself, get a job at a mechanical engineering college in the machine shop that supports students' capstone projects. It's good pay in a good environment but it's not for the feint at heart. Because these kids have brilliant ideas and sometimes impossible or nearly impossible to make. You might have 75 -100 students who want you to make or teach them to make mechanical devices - all of which are probably a challenge to make.
Wouldn't have thought of using the fixed steady for a part like that. You're very clever Peter. I guess when you do machining for a living you tend to think outside to box for a lot of things and, as always, it's an interesting sideline/distraction watching your videos.
You needed nearly all the small vices for this part lol I feel bad for their wallet, making tiny parts like that with the setups is a killer. Must have cost a bunch for the portion you did, turned out amazing so likely worth it.
would be a great part to run on a Swiss machine. very interesting to see the way you set it up on the integrex given the part dimensions and the work envelope for that size of machine. Have really learned with 5 axis / multitasking machines its either you have to use longer tools or raise the set up off the trunion or in this case far off the face of the chuck.
Okay, I'm an engineer and I design parts... but I also run them on machines. The person who designed this part needs to sit on the machine and see the connection between their big monitor and reality of what kind of setup is needed to make it happen. I am certain that if designers machined their own part the parts would look very different. Big thanks for putting the simulation overlay for the toolpath, we all know how hard it is to see what's happening under the curtain of coolant.
Peter you're the only one I know who would take a 2 inch job on a machine made for 60 inch or better work... Nice video, great content, awesome overlay! Do you watch Robin's videos multiple times also just so you don't miss anything? I learn so much about how to think about a problem every time I watch. Thank you!!!
I always enjoy your videos! Thanks for continuing to do them! Btw, any more on the toe clamps? I'm sure a lot of us want to know how their holding power compares to more conventional toe clamps. Thanks again! 😊
Holding that 3 flats in 6 jaws is a bit sketchy for me. You should remove 3 jaws from that tiny chuck, that gives you a stable clamping situation. Thanks for video!
These jaws are almost sharp on their tips and as it turned out accurate enough for this. You saw in the video I checked it chucking all 3 positions. Chucking it this way aligned the part for the C axis rotation. If I had removed 3 of the jaws it would be necessary to indicate the flat and set the C zero on every part. This way the two jaws on each flat aligned the part for that.
Always love the setup work you do. My question for the customer is why wasn’t this sent to a shop with Swiss machining capabilities? Not to say any thing bad about what your doing, just curious. Work that small is easy work on a Tsugami or Cinicom. Is this in house with the place you’ve got the Mazak in? I love that mini chuck!
There is not a lot of shops here in Houston Texas that have Swiss type of screw machines ant the ones that do (Like only two of them.) have a big backlog of work. Also I think this part was mistakenly taken by my customer here. So they had to do it but didn't have a way of really doing that. They came to me and inquired if I could do it. So in this video you see how I did. But you are correct. It is an ideal screw machine job.
"Malfunction on the A axis drive" on a HAAS mini mill ..... Hmmm welcome to the club.... mine has been doing that on and off since it was year old, I fix it by opening the cabinet at the rear and jingling all the wiring around LIGTHLY, I suspect some faulty connector with a lousy connection
I bought these machines in 2005. This is the first problem I have had with them. I will try what you suggest. The servo drive will jog for a little but it overloads with very little load. It may be as you suggest a bad connection of some sort. I haven't had time to trouble shoot it yet. Thanks!
9:14 'Yo dawg, I heard you like chucks'. ;) Man, what a tricky multi setup this one was. Machine is certainly overkill for such a part. You still got it made though. Excellent work. The small support stop idea was real nice. I am wondering though, if the repeatability of using the spindle to bring it over wasn't feasible to move it out of the way each time. Instead of keeping the steady rest stationary. Would that work, or is the repositioning wack?
If you are saying, why not move the steady rest back and forth. This steady rest gets moved by a dog and shot pin engaged to the Z axis of the machine. So to move it the Z axis has to be positioned. The shot pin extended to the dog for the steady rest. Un clamp the steady’s base then drag it with the Z axis. Now you can imagen the time that takes. Although that can all be done automatically in the program. But it can’t really be repositioned accurately. With for the normal purpose of a steady rest isn’t required. I did also experiment moving my end support center out of the way by unclamping the front jaw of the steady rest. But I wasn’t satisfied with that and abandoned that idea when I found I could just change the part as you saw in the video.
The only time I would use the turning spindle for drilling on center-line is for a very large drill. At low speed the turning spindle has more torque than the milling spindle. I think what harrihavulo7091 says is true. A spinning drill with spiral flutes evacuates chips better if the drill is turning. But a lot of drills don't have spiral flutes. So in that case there would be no difference. If your turning spindle can rotate the speed necessary. In some cases when drilling all the way thru there could be s slug thrown out by the chuck jaws. If that was a problem. Drilling with the part stationary would eliminate that.
@@EdgePrecision Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. The only drilling I do on a regular basis is with large indexable drills usually 3 to 5 inches in diameter. We usually stop the drill about .05 past the rear of the part and then pound the slug out. Every now and then it comes flying out, and the adrenaline spikes.
Mazak. I know you are probably trying to make some kind of joke. But the way you spelled it is the way I have always heard it pronounced. It may not be how it is in Japan I don't know. They may use a Latin type of pronunciation with short vowels like "maw zak". But here in the US I have always herd it the way I pronounced it.
Hello I am looking to put a hass mill in my garage shop. Can you give any recommendations as what to do for power as I don'e have 3 phase. Do you use a phase converter in your shop? Any advise is greatly appreciated. Thanks Steve
The TM and TL series Haas machines will run on single phase electricity. I have a TM1 Mill and a TM1 lathe both in my garage and both operate on Single phase.
As precisionforce2436 says. My machines also can be run on single phase power 230 VAC. I bought them in 2005. I woulld assume they are still the same with the TM1 and TL1 machines.
Can't you make your tailstock be at an "approach" position, so it doesn't need pressure on the spindle to be accepted at a given position? I do that on my Multus.
No this is a old machine. The tailstock has a hydraulic quill that extends. It has to have pressure on it when engaged. Maybe there’s a pressure switch I don’t know. Even if I extend the quill all the way it won’t work either. Turn the pressure down to far it won’t let the machine run. The way this tail center works is you position the tail body clamp it to its ways. Then extend the quill. It is not servo driven as on the newer Mazaks.
Never worked with 17-4PH before. What is the PH designation all about? Have seen the numbers before in a Carpenter Steel Die maker's Bible. Never figured out how precipitation hardening worked.
The PH stands for Precipitation Hardening, or age Hardening. The way you heat treat it is. Start with a solution annealed piece and heat it a a certain temperature for a certain amount of time and let it air cool. The most common temps are H1150 H1075 and H900. The lower temps are harder.
this feels like painting a postage stamp with a broom.
I call this kind of stuff shooting a fly with a tank
This reminds me of that old cartoon where they turned a single toothpick out of a whole tree. 🤣
@@TexDrinkwaterbugs bunny i believe
@@TexDrinkwater Peter has a video where he machines a tooth pick from a chunk of plastic.
@@SimonPEdwards63 I totally forgot about that! Now I want a delrin toothpick. 🤣 ua-cam.com/video/qdUX0eLGr2I/v-deo.html
For a second I thought you were going to turn that tiny pin from that big chunk of steel 😂
i had visions of the bowling pins from some old cartoon...
I missed your videos so much. Thank You Mr. Edge.
Love the simulation overlay. Nice setup, that is such a nice steady rest. So much flexibility.
I always learn from your videos.
I’ve been a machinist 40 years
im sorry
The simulation overviews are great, well done.
Peter you appear to be the first person to hold a part in a 72 jaw chuck 😄 Joking aside thank you for the insight and the time you put into your videos. I'm not at the point in my life where I have parts like this to manage but I am glad to know that it is possible.
I really like the simulation you put in during the milling. Very cool!
It's always a good day when Edge Precision shares new work.
Happy independence weekend, Peter!
Peter, that was more interesting, entertaining, and informative than a Hollywood movie, thank you. Cheers
It’s so nice to see you back again Pete. We missed you
I like the simulation you put in beside the part looks super clean
Cool part and even cooler set up. I contend imagination is half the challenge to overcoming difficulty. Once you can imagine what needs to happen, the rest is just putting it all together. Well done Peter.
It's always fun trying to machine some small parts in a big machine. Reminds me of a time I made some firing pins in a Doosan 2100SY, I held a pin in a collet in the sub-spindle to support the end when I milled some flats, was barely able to get the tool down to the part.
I'm 26 and I've been into CNC since 2019, and I've been trying to get away from the job shop stuff and find something where I can challenge myself. As always It's awesome to see content like this that really pushes the envelope of what you can do. These shops around here are always run by somebody with a business degree that wont take anything but simple work.
If you really want to challenge yourself, get a job at a mechanical engineering college in the machine shop that supports students' capstone projects. It's good pay in a good environment but it's not for the feint at heart. Because these kids have brilliant ideas and sometimes impossible or nearly impossible to make. You might have 75 -100 students who want you to make or teach them to make mechanical devices - all of which are probably a challenge to make.
Three chucks, a new first for me. I think I made it to two once. Great to see new videos
chuck-ception
The overlay from the cam is great. thank yu
Always beautiful work. The surface finish on the arbor looked buttery slick. Always great content.
Good to see a new video!
Brilliant job, I am amazed at how you come up with different jigs on so many different parts. You are simply amazing! Great Job.
One chuck is never enough LOL! Nice job Peter.
Those 3 chucks piggybacked looks awesome.
I was thinking about you a week or two back and hoped you were doing ok. Great to see a new post. Thanks for the videos.
Exactly the same here. I even looked up his most recent again to see if I missed something.
Thank you for the commentary along with the work. I always learn a thing or three from your videos.
This was just awesome. I was on my toes to see such a big machine to such delicate work. Hats off to your resourcefulness.
Very cool set up! Looks like some of the small parts that I do from time to time… seem like a pain in the butt… but fun an challenging to try to do!
So great to see you back with another video on youtube! As always, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us on youtube.
Good to see you back mate
Thanks for the simulation it looked great 🎉
You mentioned Robin Renzetti - I used to work with Robin at McGuckin & Pyle in the late 1970’s - early 1980’s - good times…
Wouldn't have thought of using the fixed steady for a part like that. You're very clever Peter. I guess when you do machining for a living you tend to think outside to box for a lot of things and, as always, it's an interesting sideline/distraction watching your videos.
You needed nearly all the small vices for this part lol I feel bad for their wallet, making tiny parts like that with the setups is a killer. Must have cost a bunch for the portion you did, turned out amazing so likely worth it.
would be a great part to run on a Swiss machine. very interesting to see the way you set it up on the integrex given the part dimensions and the work envelope for that size of machine. Have really learned with 5 axis / multitasking machines its either you have to use longer tools or raise the set up off the trunion or in this case far off the face of the chuck.
Fantastic video Peter, great setup, thanks for sharing!
Hail Peter! I was missing your videos. :)
I must be part machine because I love your mazak so much. good to see a video posted. Hope your back full steam ahead.
Thats a tough little part to make accurately. good to see you back again.
Great video of doing this small work on this beast of a machine. Awesome machining content as always!
Three chucks at the same time! I'm jealous.
Fascinating Vid. It would be interesting to see Stefan's approach on this. Thanks.
Dude... good to see you back! Great video as usual
Love seeing the simulation right there while the operation is executing 👍🏻
Glad your back!
This was just amazing work 👍👍
impressive work!
Impressive!! Looks like you need a Swiss 🤣
that part would be tricky even on a swiss
Okay, I'm an engineer and I design parts... but I also run them on machines. The person who designed this part needs to sit on the machine and see the connection between their big monitor and reality of what kind of setup is needed to make it happen. I am certain that if designers machined their own part the parts would look very different. Big thanks for putting the simulation overlay for the toolpath, we all know how hard it is to see what's happening under the curtain of coolant.
Similar to graduates who design modern cars at a desk, they should be made to spend a month repairing them
Thanks, Mr. S !
Awesome video as always :)
Great work !!!
Great work.
Nice! Been waiting for your upload :)
Peter you're the only one I know who would take a 2 inch job on a machine made for 60 inch or better work... Nice video, great content, awesome overlay! Do you watch Robin's videos multiple times also just so you don't miss anything? I learn so much about how to think about a problem every time I watch. Thank you!!!
Nice work...we always called fits like that " No Shake Slip Fit"
very good job peter
Nicely done
U are true craftsman.
Amazing this videos sir
I always enjoy your videos!
Thanks for continuing to do them!
Btw, any more on the toe clamps?
I'm sure a lot of us want to know how their holding power compares to more conventional toe clamps.
Thanks again! 😊
fantastic video
Perfection!
Long time no see. Been missing your content.
Outstanding :)
Edge precision is my modern day Bob Ross
Magnificent
I guess this is one of the most expensive parts youve made, by the pound prize, little part, big prize?
But amazing little part, good job :)
My horizons have expanded...
Very well sir
That was some amazing work. Were you manually programing the Mazac for each operation? Very informative.
I use a cam software to program for my machines. It is Esprit TNG. In fact the fact the graphic of the machine work in this video is it’s simulation.
Thanks for the video haven't seen you in a while take care
Looks like a swiss part to me 🙂
Yeah, was just thinking Tornos or Willemin
Excellent video thanks. Love the Bison chuck, is this the 85mm one? Very expensive!!!
That sounds about right.
son: why does he have a hotdog attacked to that tool? me: i guess we need to get your eyes checked again :D lol
Do they call this turchucken?
Thanks!
Thank you stevedemirjian8236!
Holding that 3 flats in 6 jaws is a bit sketchy for me. You should remove 3 jaws from that tiny chuck, that gives you a stable clamping situation. Thanks for video!
These jaws are almost sharp on their tips and as it turned out accurate enough for this. You saw in the video I checked it chucking all 3 positions. Chucking it this way aligned the part for the C axis rotation. If I had removed 3 of the jaws it would be necessary to indicate the flat and set the C zero on every part. This way the two jaws on each flat aligned the part for that.
Unsing a canon to shoot sparrows, love it
Always love the setup work you do. My question for the customer is why wasn’t this sent to a shop with Swiss machining capabilities? Not to say any thing bad about what your doing, just curious. Work that small is easy work on a Tsugami or Cinicom. Is this in house with the place you’ve got the Mazak in? I love that mini chuck!
There is not a lot of shops here in Houston Texas that have Swiss type of screw machines ant the ones that do (Like only two of them.) have a big backlog of work. Also I think this part was mistakenly taken by my customer here. So they had to do it but didn't have a way of really doing that. They came to me and inquired if I could do it. So in this video you see how I did. But you are correct. It is an ideal screw machine job.
I remember you had a flood or hurricane flood at home a couple years ago did that damage your machines at home?
No the water didn't get high enough in the garage.
"Malfunction on the A axis drive" on a HAAS mini mill .....
Hmmm welcome to the club.... mine has been doing that on and off since it was year old, I fix it by opening the cabinet at the rear and jingling all the wiring around LIGTHLY, I suspect some faulty connector with a lousy connection
I bought these machines in 2005. This is the first problem I have had with them. I will try what you suggest. The servo drive will jog for a little but it overloads with very little load. It may be as you suggest a bad connection of some sort. I haven't had time to trouble shoot it yet. Thanks!
EVEREY THING IS ELASTIC
Peter, hopefully you see that while the machining is cool, knowing your processes as your narration explains, is cooler...
i have seen all you videio , my request please make one on the machine bed alignment with the floor .....
9:14 'Yo dawg, I heard you like chucks'. ;) Man, what a tricky multi setup this one was. Machine is certainly overkill for such a part. You still got it made though. Excellent work.
The small support stop idea was real nice. I am wondering though, if the repeatability of using the spindle to bring it over wasn't feasible to move it out of the way each time. Instead of keeping the steady rest stationary. Would that work, or is the repositioning wack?
If you are saying, why not move the steady rest back and forth. This steady rest gets moved by a dog and shot pin engaged to the Z axis of the machine. So to move it the Z axis has to be positioned. The shot pin extended to the dog for the steady rest. Un clamp the steady’s base then drag it with the Z axis. Now you can imagen the time that takes. Although that can all be done automatically in the program. But it can’t really be repositioned accurately. With for the normal purpose of a steady rest isn’t required. I did also experiment moving my end support center out of the way by unclamping the front jaw of the steady rest. But I wasn’t satisfied with that and abandoned that idea when I found I could just change the part as you saw in the video.
Chuckception!
Those look like something for grimmsmo's willemen....
A chuck in a chuck in a chuck.
I’m curious about drilling the thru hole. Is there an advantage to spinning the drill vs spinning the workpiece like in a lathe with no live tooling?
Can spin the drill in the milling spindle faster and the lathe spindle.
A tool salesman told me that when the drill is rotating, it gets the chips out more effectively than when the drill is stationary.
The only time I would use the turning spindle for drilling on center-line is for a very large drill. At low speed the turning spindle has more torque than the milling spindle. I think what harrihavulo7091 says is true. A spinning drill with spiral flutes evacuates chips better if the drill is turning. But a lot of drills don't have spiral flutes. So in that case there would be no difference. If your turning spindle can rotate the speed necessary. In some cases when drilling all the way thru there could be s slug thrown out by the chuck jaws. If that was a problem. Drilling with the part stationary would eliminate that.
@@EdgePrecision Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. The only drilling I do on a regular basis is with large indexable drills usually 3 to 5 inches in diameter. We usually stop the drill about .05 past the rear of the part and then pound the slug out. Every now and then it comes flying out, and the adrenaline spikes.
Ive never heard of a may Zak machine before
Mazak. I know you are probably trying to make some kind of joke. But the way you spelled it is the way I have always heard it pronounced. It may not be how it is in Japan I don't know. They may use a Latin type of pronunciation with short vowels like "maw zak". But here in the US I have always herd it the way I pronounced it.
3:30 Botek has some drills that can compete with twist drills fyi
That TSC coolant pressure looks insane. How many psi is the pump?
Like an elephant making a watch for a mouse
Are those hydrostatic jaws on the steady rest ?
No they just have coolant passages thru the jaws. This was necessary for a previous job I did to help cool and lubricate them while turning the part.
Cheerios for breakfast. Eaten from a mixing bowl with a toothpick?
Hello I am looking to put a hass mill in my garage shop. Can you give any recommendations as what to do for power as I don'e have 3 phase. Do you use a phase converter in your shop? Any advise is greatly appreciated.
Thanks Steve
The TM and TL series Haas machines will run on single phase electricity. I have a TM1 Mill and a TM1 lathe both in my garage and both operate on Single phase.
As precisionforce2436 says. My machines also can be run on single phase power 230 VAC. I bought them in 2005. I woulld assume they are still the same with the TM1 and TL1 machines.
@@EdgePrecision thanks you guys. I think I have 220 volt service.
@@swordfish2089 220 volts would also work.
@@EdgePrecision thanks
can somebody with certainty say why you need a super fancy machined needle for a solenoid? looks pretty expensive to me
Can't you make your tailstock be at an "approach" position, so it doesn't need pressure on the spindle to be accepted at a given position? I do that on my Multus.
No this is a old machine. The tailstock has a hydraulic quill that extends. It has to have pressure on it when engaged. Maybe there’s a pressure switch I don’t know. Even if I extend the quill all the way it won’t work either. Turn the pressure down to far it won’t let the machine run. The way this tail center works is you position the tail body clamp it to its ways. Then extend the quill. It is not servo driven as on the newer Mazaks.
wow
Never worked with 17-4PH before. What is the PH designation all about? Have seen the numbers before in a Carpenter Steel Die maker's Bible. Never figured out how precipitation hardening worked.
Pre hardened
The PH stands for Precipitation Hardening, or age Hardening. The way you heat treat it is. Start with a solution annealed piece and heat it a a certain temperature for a certain amount of time and let it air cool. The most common temps are H1150 H1075 and H900. The lower temps are harder.
How many of these parts did you have to make?
There are 55 pieces.
@@EdgePrecision Thanks keep up the good work I was thinking a lot of work for one.