SPR vs Recce vs SBR vs PDW Classification
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Just a quick primer on how I classify different rifles types
SPR: (special purpose rifle)
GPR/Recce/Mountain Gun: General purpose/scouting rifle
SBR: Short barreled rifle
PDW: Personal Defense Weapon
Something to add (semi response to a Instagram video on on Recce builds)
A "Recce Rifle" is a rifle built with a certain philosophy in mind (described by GPR in my video)
Recce is a vague mission category.
These don't need to be the same thing. You don't have to use a "Recce rifle" on a Recce mission. Recce mission certainly don't need a recce rifle.
Hence me calling the recce rifle a "GPR" because people get confused by the term "recce", assuming you must match the name to the mission.
Conversely, a SPR that you bring on a recce mission, doesn't make your SPR a "recce/GP" rifle. It's still a SPR.
Hope that clears things up. Once again, my take, there really isn't a official definition here outside of SPR
Own up to your plagiarism
@@TheKingofTism for what? A phrase lol.
@@TheKingofTism (cough) Bullshit (cough)
@@TheKingofTism News flash kiddo, nobody owns acronyms. 🤡
Bro what are the barrel lengths of your rifles and why did you select them in their particular categories?
Imagine looking a breakdown of generally accepted names for weapon types, and thinking that's your intellectual property, and that someone else stole it. Great video.
Imagine stealing direct quotes and lines of text and presenting as your own, boom then you’re brass facts!
Where did the bad man touch you?
What do you mean?
@@airsoftarmy77 who did brass facts plagiarize?
@@airsoftarmy77 Who did he steal from? What video or article?
You hit the nail on the head when you said, “the internet has chosen me to hate” - keep doing what you enjoy, and don’t let these hateful pansy’s get into your head. Anyone who actually takes Navyman seriously anymore is an idiot, and anyone who spontaneously and aggressively bandwagons on hate is too. There’s some big names who commented here who should reflect on that and have lost respect from me.
People took Navyman as serious??? 🤣🤣🤣
@@alu.304 Who even is navyman?
@@jamesharding3459 exactly 🤷♂️
@@alu.304 That was a seriously question. A quick search turned up nothing.
@@jamesharding3459 just a guy with a UA-cam channel of the same name.
Your definition of GPR seems pretty close to what was historically called a carbine.
Love the philosophy stuff and graphics/tables, great work.
sure, but with the advent of the LPVO, I think it's a bit more capable vs a traditional carbine. But for sure occupies a similar "space".
@@BrassFacts I think a good distinction is intended range. if we're adopting standard terms, then I think carbine would represent a short rifle with a red dot/holo sight only or maybe that + magnifier. A "rifle" would be possibly the exact same gun but with something focused more on range such as an LVPO or prism. In ye olden days, it was based on barrel length but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the current context.
@@BrassFacts yeah but carbines have been using various LPVO and fixed power scopes in the military for a long time.
That's because he took the term "GPR" and it's definition from Frank Woods' article that was published back in August on Gun Mag Warehouse. Plenty of people have come on here to to comment on his blatant plagiarism, but OP does the dirty delete every time.
"Your"😂😂😂
I really adhere to POU while LRRP'ing my AO during WROL.
My AO is the basement and WROL is when the parents are out of town.
the owl is on the shed.
The angry owl?
But what about your SAWC?
The chair is against the wall
Reddit Extreme Cope Carbine Experience
Im a simple man. You insult the idiots at the ATF and I subscribe.
Is this the Great Value brand Frank Woods?
lmao Sage Dynamics is roasting you now. NICE
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Roasted by sage
I really like the idea of classifying firearms by purpose and not by feature. It's the only way that makes sense since features vary so drastically.
I think this is the ATFs mistake as well and why so many loopholes have been created to work around the unconstitutional NFA.
This video wasn't plagiarized. Just youtubers trying to draw up drama for internet clout.
For me I went with building a 16” AR10 in 308, since I hunt a lot of big game it made the decision a bit easy since I can still achieve 2700fps with a 150gr bullet and hit 800+ yards with a good scope and a canted red dot setup. Not ideal with CQ work but not terrible, great “do it all” gun, same ballistics Teddy Roosevelt hunted African big 5 with and short and light enough to clear rooms with, W in my book. I’ve just been focusing on keeping the optics, weapon light, bipod etc as light as possible since I already have a weight penalty going with a “full strength” caliber
Great do it all. For you. Maybe.
One thing is for sure, watching your philosophy videos made me realize the limited utility of a rifle when you brush fantasy aside and draw on recent history for examples where you may find yourself needing a gun. The consumer in me started researching the Flux and 20/20 glock chassis but then the realist in me just ordered another case of 9mm and has me dreaming up pistol drills to stay proficient.
Keep on keeping it real Brass and keep these style videos coming.
Thank you for a great and informative post, Frank Woods! Always love reading your articles!
Man, I feel like I struck gold coming upon your channel. I'm an older guy who hasn't shot much in 30 years. I've moved to a state where I am no longer hindered. Nevertheless the technology has changed so much, and the specialization (subspecialization!) of platforms has grown exponentially... and it's been incredibly bewildering. To top it off I'm a lefty as well. I guess my point of entry outght to be a GPR. Given that, can you point me in a direction, resources wise, I can use in order to make an informed decision regarding what my first AR purchase should be? I'm presuming the smart thing would be to stick with right handed weapons but tailor them to left handed use? Thanks & subscribed!
I would buy a prebuilt rifle (don't build it) from a reputable manufacture.
Function wise, you can actually do a fair bit with a stock right handed weapon. And I did that for many years.
In order of importances; I would get a ambi safety, ambi charging handle, and ambi mag release.
The last two of those are far less important than the first.
Optics wise it's really your choice.
I'd join the discord server if can (it's basically a chatting service that replaced most forums). There's a link in the description of the video. Jump into the channel and basically say what you said above, and many, myself can answer questions in near real time.
@@BrassFacts Thx!
@@MurkyDregsGood luck with your quest.
I’m also old school, purchased a prebuilt rifle, and slowly modified it to suit my personal requirements. It took a few years of getting use to the basic prebuilt to decide what needed to be added and what didn’t.
The only advice I could give others is don’t rush the process.
The other route is to just go with a prebuilt that has ambidextrous features and is well built. Daniel Defense, Cheytac, and many others offer them and it may ultimately save you a few coin 🪙
@@raystephens2078 I ended up buying a right handed rifle and have learned to manipulate it. Looked up all the tricks professionals used and am training accordingly... thanks!
Stag arms makes left handed rifles
- *posts link* - - *youtube auto deletes post* - "ZoMG Look WaT U DID!" xD So much manufactured drama. Ive found articles as far back as 2009 using the same terms as the gunmagwarehouse article did. None of the terms seem copywrited so I guess its OK that Frank Woods plagiarized them :P I would post a meme about this comments section but posting links gets the post auto deleted. And I am smart enough to know that.
Boomer Moment
Ammo can be a pretty big deal for these choices. My 9.5" 300blk with a 6" suppressor gets 2300ft/s with 110gr V-MAX for +/-5" MPBR to 275 yards. At 275 yards, the 110gr is still doing 1600ft/s, or hitting with as much or more energy than a .357 magnum revolver at the muzzle. It's not quiet like subs obviously, but it's quieter than anything considering the compact size, power, and range capabilities. It's a little louder than a .22LR rifle (loud but not ear-obliterating like an unsuppressed centerfire rifle), but the size of an average carbine, long MPBR and hits hard within that distance.
Also have a look at 300 blk 110gr v-max gel tests before assuming that lightweight bullets like that underpenetrate, because they don't seem to exhibit underpenetration as much as 5.56 v-max does.
I am a firm believer in 300BLK and have a few setups tailored to home defense and a backpack gun. If Im defending my family, I'm taking one of those setups. The achilles heal of 300BLK is ammo availability and cost per round. Yes it's a reloaders cartridge, but it's been SAAMI spec for sometime now and although it has come down in price significantly, IMO popularity hasn't quite matched relative price yet. And yes I remember paying a dollar a round of FMJ back in 2012/13.
And because of that, I have 5.56 as my go to for everything else outside of HD/Bag gun. 10.5", 14.5", and 16" but will probably snag a 11.85" PWS MK111 soon.
If you throw a non-BDC (as in, actual MIL or MOA reticle) on a 10.3” .300 blk, you can just as easily make shots out to 500 and have more energy on target than a 556 out of a 20” bbl at 500 yards. Come up is a lot more, and wind calls are a little more extreme, but if you’ve doped everything, it’s just not that difficult.
I want to build one badly but 5.56 is so cheap and available
Frank Woods help with this one?
Great job on this!
My Sig Sauer Rattler 300BLK is just under 16 inches with the brace folded. Suppressed, it makes a small yet powerful setup.
Great video - keep em coming. I'd like to think of a GPR as the beater defensive rifle that won't break the bank and something you wouldn't cry over if it is seized as evidence after a defensive shooting.
This basically describes my journey with the Galil Ace II .308.
I was thinking i wanted a heavy hitter that could go from 10m out 300m with ease. So i got a light weight 1x prism and vertical forgrip.
Six months later i figured I'd try a hybrid forgrip/bipod. And Wow, the the bipod greatly enhanced the stability for stationary shooting. Giving me much greater confidence in reaching out.
So i ended up getting the 3.5 power TA 110 ACOG. Still waiting for my spacer to arrive. But now I'm much more excited about getting some range time so i can better familiarize myself with the weapon.
Maybe I'll add a red dot up top in the future..
Nice Rimworld music. I appreciate the attempt at rebranding the “recce rifle”… the idea always just felt like a pretty standard (if high-budget) rig to me. Glad someone else sees it.
Great breakdown. This man makes better videos and shoots better than someone blasting at 15 yards.
That graphic overlay seems to sum up the way i think about those systems very well. You definitely have to add other contexts like weight and concealability for full picture, which you did with conversation. I do these thought experiments with "building guns in my head" all the time. Seeing it graphically is cool and useful. Thanks man.
Frank did an excellent job in this classification system breakdown, you used an excellent source
I ended up with a suppressed 13.7 with dual laser and light with a dot on a unity mount for my GPR. Kinda filled all the spots for me, nightvision capable, still semi short package, pretty decent lethality at the ranges I'd ever use it at. Which would be 0 to 350 yards, my area has very few open areas that extend past 350 most of it is hilly and lots of woodland with visibility of about 75 yards or so.
seems solid. it's all about tailoring it what one needs
@@BrassFacts that's right. It's a solgw, pretty solid rig for sure.
Same thing happened to me just now. Coastal Tarheel checking in.
@@leftistsarenotpeople good shit! I'm basically slap dab in the middle, about 3 hours from the coast or mountains lol
@@tylertapp131 My mooring lines (that should tell you something) were born and raised on the Albemarle/Pamlico peninsula and still is ...to a point. I've been around the world, in it , through it and I still consider that piece of the Great Dismal Swamp home and always will be. I spend a good portion of the year at a second home HERE in the Philippines. However, regular trips home are necessary and I'll promise you this... when the wheels come off and society goes sideways I HOPE I'm home when it happens. If not, I WILL be on the next thing smoking. I will NOT let my country be lost through a lack of action. That is my solemn oath to God, my fellow Americans, my North Carolina kindred and.... TO MYSELF!
edit to add: Yeah, I've spent quite a bit of time in Sampson county in the 80's. That is about 3 hours from where I was talking about. Washington/Tyrrell/Hyde county area.
I like that you referenced the TNP terms. Lol. I like the way you think. Our terminology may be different, but we run in the same directions. I had a "get home bag" back when "bug out bags" were the popular thing. Now most talk about Urban survival bags to get you home or some variation of that concept. My bug out systems are all vehicle based and start at 1000 miles of range. My weapons and tactics revolve around protecting those vehicles. It's good to see your thought processes on rifles too. I'm going to have to change my base rifle platform because we have moved halfway across the country. This new neighborhood is a whole different ball of wax. New environment, new mindset and new tactics.
Anyway, great videos, love your mindset, and thanks for sharing your outlook on things. Cheers mate.
Good content. I've built a couple 5.56 rifles with one an 11.5" barrel and one in 16" and a 308 dmr style rifle with an 18" barrel and I got to say you hit the nail on the head with the concept that GPR can be short or long since both my 5.56 guns are sort of GPR capable but my DMR is more for that extended range of 500+ yards out. And if I need anything more that 800 yards I'd rather be throwing a sniper cal like 300 win mag or 338 lap mag. Good job with giving less experienced shooters an idea of a realistic start to a build so they can figure out where they're trying to take their rifles.
Nutnfancy drove me crazy with his abbreviations back in the day
There are few greater crimes than making up bullshit acronyms. At least say the whole phrase every third usage if you are going to invent your own damn terminology
I just built what you could call a long barreled GPR. It’s a fairly slim and light build with an 18” faxon barrel, it maintains higher muzzle velocities then SBR’s and 16” barrel rifles, and honestly for 9/10 use cases I don’t find the longer barrel to be an impediment.
I like 18 inch barrels. For a little extra spice out the front. I'm also a tallish and broadish dude so the extra size really doesn't bother me and I'm not planning on any CQB realistically. If I ever need to I'll do the Marine shoulder flip thing.
This is some amazingly inspired content!
It seems really fucking identical to something a buddy of mine put together. Great job repacking it. 🤣
Looking back on this. It's funny to see how many close friends this guy seems to have who all took the time to comment on here.
@@blodus4521 yeah, I had no idea this was going on in the comments lol. I’ve been reading through it and some of these people were really dedicated 11 months ago. One guy from here was commenting this stuff on a video 3 months ago.
I have a BCM RECCE 16 precision I use in the woods, and I didn’t really want to go through the process of SBRing a gun, so I purchased a Tavor X95 for home defense, and it’s still shorter than a Mk. 18 despite a 16” barrel. I’ve not jumped into the PDW world, but I do love my SMGs.
A 14.5" SBR with a sound supressor and a Red Dot + Magnifier is my sweet spot. That's just me though.
EXCELLENT job breaking this all down. Well worth my time.
Boy u a God sent…. This breakdown for civilians by civilians is the best I’ve seen by far. And I’ve been searching 👏
Damn the GunTube drama queens have found yet another thing to cry about. Imagine thinking you can own general discussion of firearm classification
Imagine yourself creating good content that actually gets published and then someone else making UA-cam videos about it and not giving you credit for the information they stole and presented as their own.
Verbatim though? Come on brah. Were credit rightfully given, support would have been given in exchange.
@@anthonycook2325 Frank’s article is wonderful, yes, but the classification of firearms has long been a common discussion. To say that this is somehow direct plagiarism from Frank’s explanation of the concepts and classifications is like saying you need to quote the SEALs responsible for the RECCE rifle concept. It’s quite honestly a ludicrous claim to make, especially in such a widely discussed topic. Just because someone’s opinion is similar to yours, doesn’t mean they stole it from you, and without direct evidence that they stole your idea there really isn’t grounds to stand on to claim plagiarism. The guy has his email posted, it would be a far greater idea to email him and ask and wait for a reply than to cause public drama in a matter of hours, for no other reason then to cause drama.
@@SDPLISSKEN81 What part of it is verbatim tho? Legitimate question, not trying to be snarky
@@Valiant-kq1ql Off the top of my head, the recce rifle part in the pinned comment is almost 1:1 from the GPR section of the article denoting that "recce" is nowadays a task rather than a configuration.
Then there's the classification/criteria/image presentation that's very close also, albeit half-assed in comparison to the slides in the article.
Uncanny likeness is one thing, uncanny likeness + nearly verbatim criteria and phrasing is suspicious, uncanny likeness + ~verbatim criteria/phrasing + repetitive quick deletion of comments pointing out the similarities between the two is disappointing because at that point it's hard to deny the deliberate likeness and benefit of the doubt thereof. Especially considering how encompassing the video attempted to be weighed against how comprehensive the article actually is.
Keep up the great content. Unfortunately this industry is full of simpletons just waiting to spring on the next blame bandwagon.
Good summary. Give the Tavor a try to fill that SBR role. It takes a little training to get used to the manual of arms, but it’s a really good choice for a short setup once you do.
New to your channel been watching Hop for awhile now… but I’m really digging your channel bro, like the format and subject matter your discussing, keep up the good work
Good summary. Give the Tavor a try to fill that SBR role. It takes a little training to get used to the manual of arms, but it’s a really good choice for a short package.
I've always had a general idea of having a pistol on my hip, 16 inch ar build for the long range stuff, and a 10.5 inch ar build for house to house. Still very interesting to hear your views man 👍🏽
To do what? You aren't going to kick doors and clear houses.
@@azazelRising72 for airsoft
One thing that you kind of mentioned when talking about SPR's that can help most of these categories (and potentially blur the lines even more) is ammo selection.
Modern bullet design is incredible, with the right bullet you can extend a cartridge's "effective" range fairly significantly. Just as a single example, while they are pricey, tipped match rounds (not OTM) can noticeably extend effective range because the tip forces expansion at pretty low velocities. At a low enough velocity you lose a lot of cavitation, but can still achieve greater effectiveness from exoansion and fragmentation.
As a really quick and dirty example, a 55gr FMJ is super dependent on pretty high velocity to cause significant fragmentation and cavitation and typically starts to mostly just poke holes at about 2200~ish FPS, meanwhile something like a sierra TMK, a hornady ELD-M, or a nosler ballistic tip can expand at velocities as low as 1400fps (I've personally tested 73gr ELD-M at 1400 and it still expands pretty well) different bullet construction will affect the velocity at which a bullet will expand, but tipped match rounds are probably my all-time favorite for all around performance. And because they're generally also match bullets they have (relatively) high BC's and will retain their velocities better than most bullets.
I think this was a informative take. I think it reinforces the idea of building 2 separate uppers to cover both ends of the spectrum especially if money is an issue. Makes it a little easier if mobile in your SHTF scenario also doesn’t it?
Were you going to cite your sources in APA or MLA format?
The beauty of the AR15 M4 platform is that you can build a variety of different lower receivers (SBR, rifle stocked and pistol braced) Then you can put a variety of upper receivers on it with different calibers and mission sets in mind. Suck on that, AK-47!
And replacing parts doesn't require a hydraulic press.
Not to mention a AR upper will work on any lower and vise versa (with very few exceptions) same with other parts.
Where a AK, it's not just good enough to know if it's a 47, 74 of AKM, nor is knowing the model good enough. No, you need to know, which country it was from and then down to which plant it came from and during which time period.
After all that, the part you get probably needs a Dremel to modify the new part to make it fit.
My AK friend can only dream of parts swapping and parts just fitting while he Dremels that bran new scope mount because it has some part interfering with some other part.
@@SilverStarHeggisist I’ve owned 3 AKs at this point, never needed a dremel, never needed a press. You can chop a significant portion of the barrel if you really wanted to and not have any real negative impact, in fact it’ll be more of a benefit than anything because the 7.62 doesn’t gain much from a longer barrel at all except for weight. The only tools I’ve ever needed were a screwdriver, a file or two and a hammer and a punch set that’s it. Yes some parts need fitting because of slight differences between the country of origin, but for the most part stamped receiver AK furniture works with most stamped receiver AKs.
@The Angry Astronaut I know at least one of my friend's AKs was milled. He had a 7.62/39 AK pistol, AK74 And a still has his Vepr 308.
His 7.62/39 he managed to break before he even had a chance to fire it the first time. Apparently without even trying to, every time he picks things up he automatically starts breaking them (why he uses AKs over AR). In this case, he snapped the front iron sights.
Anyway the reason for the press, or so I've been told because I'm not s AK person, is the 12 ton press is for changing the barrel.
I've seen him use a dremel to make handguards and stocks fit. As well as a side saddle rail to fit.
@@SilverStarHeggisist milled receivers are special, they need their own furniture or they need heavy fitting. As far as the press yes you’d need it for a new barrel but when your barrel lasts 70k rounds or more the chances of you actually needing a new one is pretty slim to none. If you want a shorter barrel just take it to a gunsmith who specializes on AK work and just have them chop/lathe it to the desired length.
@@TheHashtagSquad2K15 knowing my friend, he'd swap barrels because he wanted one that had a heavier profile or some other thing.
Somehow he always ends up getting the AKs from the least common plant with the least common design, so nothing works.
finally! I can never remember the acronyms and what each is meant for when it's thrown around in discord. thanks for the guide!
You should read Frank Woods' article from August in Gun Mag Warehouse. That's where this poster stole his entire video idea from.
@@EvolvedTactical he never said he made the terms, you really watched navymans video and said "imma base my whole opinion to align with someone who started bullshit before" get a life kiddo
@@ramentaryramblings except the rtdrd never said he copied it
@@Dexter-nw2fe he didn't fucking have to
he never copied anything, he never claimed it was his own
@@ramentaryramblings hey listen to my knowledge: implied that its his own😂 look at all these comments "wow great video someone finally explained it!" And this cmsock replies "thank you!"
BRO I LOVE ACRONYMS
I did go a little differently than you did on the long range side of things. I broke down and purchased a Tikka T3x CTR in 6.5CM to throw in a chassis. It’s so so so much easier to reach out far with that than the 5.56. 6-25x54 FFP scope as well.
I'm in the same boat.. a short, super precise bolt gun with a can on it seems like a really handy piece of kit.
@@pietrmikk7083 It’s not a bad way to go. I also have a Sako S20 in .300 Win Mag for a little more reach if need be.
I initally assembled what would be considered a GPR, but after having it and using it for a couple of years now, I've come to realize that my most often use cases orient themselves much more towards an SPR, thus why I'm now waiting for parts to come in to finish building the upper.
However, I went a bit unusual in my build. I opted for a Faxon 18" Gunner profile 5.56 barrel (I've used one before and got sub-moa groups out of it), a 17" carbon fiber hand guard, and a titanium gas block, all for weight savings. All this paired with a KP-15 lower, which I absolutely adore. I'll still keep my GPR upper around, but I got to realizing a while back that I don't think I've ever used my LPVO on the 1x for my most common day-to-day uses, which is mostly toting it around on a midwestern farm in case I spot coyotes.
Nailed it. I have a Musket 2k 20in gun with a 4-14. My GPR Hiphop (high power hole punch) 16in 1-8x lpvo with a reddot piggyback. My 11.5 is set up as a pistol because reasons
I love each and every video man. Its been a pleasant year
I was literally thinking about putting a small video such as this on my channel and I did a search first and behold here is this one. Well done, not sure I want to make one for my channel now lol. Subbed!
The mission-oriented matrix I follow is pretty simple I think. But I'm always open to learning new ideas
Cat. Bbl. (in) 5.56 (wt) Range (yrd)
SPR 20, 18 77g 800+
GPR 16, 14.5 62g, 55g 500
SBR 13.7, 12, 10.5 62g, 55g 300
PDW 10, 9, 8 55g < 300
A 6.5 grendel gpr will extend out to 1000 yards and make excellent cadavers along the way. All that in a 14.5 inch barrel. It is the master cartridge!
Great breakdown of the different AR build tiers. It's easy to get carried away and build something based on an idea more so than actual use case scenarios. When I build an AR, my thoughts are how will this work for my AO in the most realistic type of likely scenarios. Based on my AO, mostly wooded, suburb type area's limited around 150 yards and in, with the occasional 4-600 yard fields, that helped narrow things down to fit my build for these parameters.
WONGGGG! This video is off the HOOK! Seriously, you always give 'great food for thought', I wish I could finally decide what I want a rifle to do. I won't worry though...just stacking the cheddar away or lettuce /cashe / moola / etc......awaiting my brain gears to stop, and pop out an answer for me. Later days BRO!
By "slightly different", do you mean blatantly ripping off Frank Woods' article from a few months back, or is that what you normally do?
I’ve had a few of the “cool guy” AR’s with short barrels and they’re definitely a lot of fun to shoot, but I keep going back to one rifle time and time again. My BCM 16” with a 1-6 on it. It’s a solid GPR and does everything decent but nothing exceptional. It’s even better now that I have a offset T1 style dot, but if I could only have one AR for the rest of my days it would be this one. Im also considering replacing the 16” upper with a 14.5 pinned, but I’m not sure if it’s really worth the coin to cut a inch and a half off the barrel.
In the sme boat.. trying to get down to 1 AR.. torn between 14.5 and 16
My buddy has a 14.5" pin and weld and honestly, the difference between that and my 16" upper was not enough difference to make a difference by any means. I'd go 14.5 p&w if you didn't have a 16", but it's not worth the cost or the time to do it if you have a 16" upper in which you intend to do the same thing. If these are for different things, like a competition gun vs a tactical gun, by all means do it.
Only reason to do it is if you pin and weld a mount for a suppressor to keep that length down. Otherwise keep that inch and a half for velocity. I have found in my experience there is ALMOST no good reason to go shorter than 16 on a GPR unless your use case requires a can. Then 14.5 let’s you stay legal and be just that fraction faster in gun handling with the suppressor. I know this is an old thread but figured I’d contribute.
O dont think I've gone longer than 14 minutes without saying Recce or Mini Recce ..
Nice video bro..
Good content,in my day when I went to work I had a choice of an 20 inch A-4 an M-4 and side arm,that pretty much covered everything from CQB to ship board take downs and out to 300 yards if need be,now days in my quieter times I use a POF-415 is my go to rifle,it’s a nonstop fighting machine,if I need to engage just maybe a tad bit further no more than 500 yards I break out my Barrett 6.8 DMR,that thing rocks,it hits and it hits with authority,it’s only weakness is keeping it fed…but if you have access to some 90 grain 6.8…let’s roll…
Great video, thanks. I like your philosophy and wording. 👍
This channel content (production and info) is 200k sub level. Youre under subbed.
damn, thanks man. That's quite the compliment.
Cool stuff man. Thanks for breaking it down. Cheers
You should do a video with an 11" 6mm arc or 6.5x39. All the range of an spr with more energy and size of an sbr.
Fun watch, super informative. Thank you🤲🏿
Couldnt tell ya why, but PDW is easily my favorite class. I just love em. SBR is a close second.
The rimworld music goes crazy
if money isn’t a problem, build a couple. 18”, 16”, 14.5”, and 13.9”. i tend to build them similar for the purpose to run them hard. if you need too. thinking of getting into the 6.5 creed ban wagon. for them long range shots.
Did you steal this stuff from Frank???
Love the Howl's Moving Castle mouse/keyboard pad
I like guns
:simplemabs:
:respecttree:
Gross, guns have carbon cooties
I would love to see a good video on pros and cons of FSP STYLE and FREE FLOAT plus how they how and why the evolution happened, is it still viable, plus everything in between
Great video and comparison of the different types of set ups. one thing i might change is the SPR "box" ( range) should start at more like 100-150. 2.5x is perfectly usable at that range.
When I can consistently eek out sub moa groups at 100-300 from a rifle I have seen better shooters do without difficulty then I will consider a mk12/spr build for fun, but given my day job and other obligations i will likely never get to a level of marksmanship a gpr can't handle. My limited practice time is basically completely eaten up by basic drills for home defense, which is why i am likely to add a pdw pcc or 300blk to the collection before an SPR type. I'm not bad/probably above average in marksmanship, but to me the limited time is better spent practicing movement, reload, using concealment, and mastering the ccw, etc.
SPR are for sure extremely niche.
GPR's with a lpvo will handle most situations
So what do you recommend outfitting your rimworld colonists with? Personally I find they can't ever hit anything with the sniper or AR, I think the average colonist is deluding himself thinking he'll ever need more than a heavy SMG.
But seriously very nice content, and very good advice for someone building an AR for the first time like me.
Brass facts: “Hey Frank can I copy your homework?”
Frank Woods: “I guess, but make sure you change it a bit so we don’t get caught.”
BF: “Bet.”
@az stuff No one has seemed to respond. I’m also willing to bet none of these dupes have read the article either lol
@az stuff I posted a link to three of your replies
Cope
IMO a pistol and a 14.5" AR (M4 length) are by far the most important guns. They will get you 90% of the capabilities you will ever need. Anything else certainly has a place, but requires compromises with diminishing returns.
That being said, I personally choose to include my Flux Raider, REM 870, and REM 700 to cover the remaining 10% capabilities. Other than drooling over the M82 and M32 I've never felt like I needed something else.
Agreed💯
I've built my "GPR" rifle to future proof it for whenever I get NVG and a suppressor.
Ps. Nice Howl's Moving Castle desk mat.
I personally run 13.7 p&w with a can for my main rifle. I have an 18" mpvo "SPR" build but it's just for looks... I'm currently looking for a 308 semi auto so I'm kinda leaning towards the same length as my 556 just because I don't *need* reach past 500-600yd with my landscape, and a 13.7 with a can is still super manageable.
Thanks for the video. I always hear these classifications associated with "military" designations. However, as a civilian, all my rifles are considered GP...as whatever rifle I have with me at the time, will need to do everything I need it to, and I accept those compromises. Best!
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I've got multiple rifles. Most of them ARs. My two favorites are my 16" 5.56 with a 1-8 LPVO, light and 45° dot and my 18" LR308 with 5-25x50, 12 O'clock dot and bipod setup.
The 5-25 typically stays on 10-12x magnification, and the dot is used as the primary optic for close range engagements. Having the extra magnification is GREAT for spotting for the other guy in my team, as well as making better use of the FFP reticle and gathering accurate ranging data. As you said, though, it comes at a significant weight cost. If I had time to prepare, I'd take the 308 instead... but if I had to just grab one and go, I'd definitely go with the 5.56.
All my BS aside, this is a great video, and you put out some bomb content. Thanks for what you do!
nice howls moving castle mat
As crazy as this sounds. You should try a keltec rdb. I really liked mine and wish I never sold it. But really I like my 14.5 rifle the most 😂
Its funny how we see rifles ..I live in Maine a really thick wooded area so to me the SPR really is a after thought almost like we see Recce and GPR tad different ..like 12.5-14.5 as gpr and 16-18 a recce cause we would almost never shoot past 300 in this area , powerlines maybe but I think all the shoots hunting I've taken on deer with my ar15 ar now 125 and in just cause its how the terrain sets up.. So if I had open space I'd love the 18 inch ..most ranges might set up to 350-600 but that's really the only place were shooting that far .
I actually have two GPRS one is the 556 the other is a 458 socom and then I got my 300 blackout sepressed and I have my 308 with a 10x50 on it. The first three are all red dotted with the 556 with the magnifier and all have flip up sights. So even though with all that my main general purpose house weapon is my 12 gauge sometimes my 16 gauge depends on what room I'm in and then the nines always on the side so I pretty much got all my small boxes filled. 😂 Thanks for the info....
What a killer video. Incredibly informative, awesome shit. Agree with every point made, and any serious firearm/equipment choice should start with the philosophy of use, or purpose of said tool.
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A 14.5" barreled upper with an LPVO and YHM Turbo K might be an amazing GPR set up.
I think a fun question to talk about would be just how much of an impact does barrel length have on classification. For example, would you still consider a rifle with an LPVO and a 20" pencil barrel a GPR? At what barrel length does the addition of a suppressor make a 5.56 upper no longer an "SBR"? I love these discussions, lol
technically by definition n sbr is a rifle with a barrel under 16 inches with a stock attachment
So you straight up stole this from Frank Woods, giving him zero credit. That’s wack in my book.
Frank woods wrote a very good article on extremely generic terms and common definitions that suite said terms.
If I write an article about Glocks, it doesn't mean anyone who came up with the same extremely well known and common terms plagiarized it. Stop shilling for some dude who made his name in the gun community by calling out someone when he had 0 clue what he was talking about.
For me, on my rifles, I like a red dot on the SBR. It seems to maximize the speed for CQB, home defense, and in and out of the vehicle. Which is where I think the SBR shines.
I am late to this drama. It is dumb, two people can have similar thoughts to a pointless name for a role of a rifle. Besides, frank is nothing special. Just a guy with an ego, who thinks he is important.
Keep doing what you are doing brassfacts. I am enjoying your content.
Howls moving castle! Love it! Great video
You going to credit frank woods? The guy you stole the source from?
FINALLY! Someone said what I have about PCCs forever. They're a relic of the 1940-1980 era. I sold all of mine except a Ruger PC Carbine I got cheap.
👍 agreed.i think Pdw/sub guns in pistol caliber are great, like mp5/ump/ect platforms. But pcc are like the scooters or fat chicks of the carbine world.fun and cheap to shoot or run drills.
Except he didnt say it, he copied it
My carry handle CAR-15 with an Eotech works for me. 👍🏼 I just prefer vintage design, oh … The NoStaLgiA! 😆
Gerat classification video!
Would love to see your take on the civilian“Automatic Rifleman”/RPK.
I think they're one of the least useful "support" style rifles for civilians. I'll be covering them in part in a upcoming video.
Everyone seems to forget about the best combo of all, 16in. .300 blk. with about a 124gr. round.
isn't that just a AK with extra steps?
I loved the @nutnfancy reference. I love his videos too lol
Have a suppressed CMMG 300 Banshee with which both wife and daughter can obliterate a paper plate from 50 yards in, lite and nimble and easier to stay center mass for them than standard AR15 SBR, so the PCC definitely still has a role for those with a smaller less muscular frame. Also stores nicely in vehicles.