when i got my first lg oled display in 2020, i instantly fell in love with oled and the gloss finish...my fancy 38" 165hz uw ips g-sync monitor remained unused for pc games from that day until i could replace it with a 42" oled
Dawid for the love of god get them to put the shop on the north end of Miami. They won't get any staff putting it on the south end and the place will run like garbage. For those who don't know, South Miami shares it's workforce with the Keys because no one can afford to live on the islands. The keys pays them massively more than Miami does so unless Microcenter is hiring at $25/hour ONLY 9 to 5 they are going to have a bad time.
It's almost done (less than 60 days until open), of course it's gonna be in Doral due to proximity to the airport and all the freight forwarding that goes on down there.
I have the 32" 4K WOLED from LG with matt coating for two weeks now. The internet is going wild for it to have a non-glossy coating. I took several monitors here and all I can say that in the realm of matt coatings the LG has the best matt coating. My TV is a C1 so I do understand the appeal of glossy. I do agree that the difference is quite small.
I think matte coatings are horrendous in general. It's the reason why 1080P at 24.5 Inches is no longer the gold standard anymore. There has been plenty of great 1080P/240HZ monitors that basically went to waste. The sharpness on those displays would be perfectly fine otherwise if they had a glossy coating.
IDK if you have heard of this but this monitor was reviewed by another youtuber, TheDisplayGuy, and they also found that this specific monitor does have some amount of grain not present on other glossy displays. That would probably explain why it didn't fix the oily look on the display fully.
His “reviews” are very biased. Everything is objectively good or awful with no In between. I would only watch him if i wanted to justify my own purchase to myself or to bash on someone else who has another opinion
@@lego_minifigagree, that guy is only interested in shoving his own opinion down others throats and getting people to buy things through his affiliate links....
Bought this montor today and can't wait for it to arrive. My dad even painted that image of the pillars of creation and you convince me that will be my screen saver.
I did that too but only once because that white screen almost burned my eyes and i can't recognize anything for a while 😂at full brightness ofc because why not 😂
There was a trick with LCD displays that you could lay wet paper towels onto the LCD panel overnight (keeping it inside the plastic bag to not let water to evaporate) and then you could carefully peal matting layer from the screen
1:43 I'm pretty sure the dirty screen effect is not caused by matte coating, it's just panel uniformity issues, plenty TV's with glossy panels suffer from this.
Thanks micro centre for sponsoring a fellow Canadian cause apparently our Canadian stores don’t feel like it. Just sucks cause it’s too hot to pull my polar bear out and it usually takes a few days to get there riding 85 paws/hr.
I'm 45, so when I saw shades of green, my first thought was "That's weird that they did a Game Boy mode." Then you were like "Night Vision Mode" and I was like "Oh, yeah." And, the funny thing is, I was in the Army 20 years ago, so I've used NVGs.
@@bluenexus1212 Makes sense if the military still has surplus from the old ones, might as well use them on something. Shame though, the ones I got were something like 2500 on a sale and I wouldn't trade them for anything. Being able to see the sky in perfect clarity at night is amazing.
As someone who has astigmatism that results in matte coatings turning all monitors into Vaseline, I approve of glossy monitors. It's nice to see that there are lower priced options than the 4k QD-OLED panels coming out.... but I think I'll keep my 4k 240Hz ;)
Man I just got the MSI 271 QRX and the picture blows me away. So glad I went for glossy instead of all these horrible matte coatings around. I just bought a big pair of blackout curtains and boom, zero glare or light on the monitor.
I scored the OLED Swift rog monitor😊 today off of eBay for $425 out the door. It was from a liquidation company it wasn't opened or anything was open to take a picture and put it right back in the box....😎
The resolution of what you see in all those reflections is really impressive. And if the sun comes out it automatically adjusts your priorities in life. If thats what you want from gaming tech.
I use an Asus Zenbook 14 for school (it’s got a Ryzen 8840HS with integrated Radeon 780m and 16GB of RAM for anyone wondering). It has a glossy 2560x1600 OLES display. And though I don’t use it for gaming. I absolutely love how it looks. The photos windows 11 automatically chooses as your background look absolutely magnificent. Very vibrant and colourful and of course amazing contrast. Only things I could mention as a downside: it’s a little hard to clean. I work with lots of people at school and though I hate it, they do touch the screen with their fingers when pointing at something or sometimes people even (accidentally) spit a little while talking. It really doesn’t get of easily. Or at least not with a dry glasses cloth. I’m not very sure how I should clean it since I’m very hesitant I might damage it. But asides the cleaning part. I absolutely adore the display. Lastly I’m wondering: Why (at least in my experience) do monitors often get a mat coating. But are TV’s glossy? Though I don’t have a mat OLED. I do have a mat IPS for my main PC currently. And if it’s any comparable: I do certainly agree the glossy screens look a lot more pleasing (and honestly it’s not like the mat IPS monitor is very easy to clean either).
I have been using Oled TV's as my display for going on 3 years now, before that I was using Qled. I think the problem with alot of these Oled "Monitors" is they are so heavily geared towards gamers that they jam a bunch of rubbish presets into them which make them really difficult to calibrate out of the box. You would think a TV has that problem but they really don't. I was using the 55" LG CS for a while but opted to go down to the LG C2 Evo 48" and the experience for me is far better as the pixel density is far better. In terms of colour accuracy, the C2 calibrates extremely well and for me as a 3d animator, vfx artist and Game environment and cinematic creator I am loving this display. The colour accuracy along with an incredible HDR experience when gaming really makes this screen pop. One thing I noticed in your video was when your Asus display was off (not even going to talk about the matt display as those just leave an ugly taste in my mouth) but when the display was off, it wasn't completely black like the LG Oled TV's I have. When my screen is off the panel is pitch black, it doesn't have that grey/brown look to it like yours did. I wander if that isn't some sort of filter on the display that is causing your dirty white effect as I don't have that issue on my screen at all? The colours are incredibly uniform.
I went for AW3225QF and have literally zero regrets. Hands down the best monitor I owned - I replaced LG C2, and it's a proper upgrade, even though it's a smaller monitor. 🙂
@@bootchoo96 Yeah, I don't understand why it's the cheapest 32" 4K O,LED here in EU! In US I think the cheapest is the MSI model, but I wouldn't want to buy it as I don't like the design and wanted that curve. I wanted a curved monitor ever since I had Samsung Oddysey G7 which had a massive 1000R curve... I would like this one to have it too, but hey.. it's the only curved 32" OLED so I'm not complaining 🙂
You know, there's a lot of disavantages about being mostly colorblind, but one thing I dont have to be picky about is the details of monitors like color accuracy or color bleed for blooming.
@@turrican4d599 But the difference isn't great. For example I see no difference between 1080 and 4k resolution. What's a natural colour to me is probably not a natural colour to you. The best explanation I have come up with for myself is that I only see the primary colours. All others are only different shades of these.
@@frederickclause2694 Sorry about the tone of my previous reply. What I was trying to say is, more people than not would appreciate a better monitor, with accurate colours, whether they can see the full range of them, or not. It's just so nice when a monitor actually has red, not just different shades of orange. I can fully recommend a good IPS panel if you ever need a new monitor. Unless OLED goes mainstream by then, of course.
Qd oled makes eyes tired. Had aw dwf and my eyes were red from 9-5 work. Had no issues with the lg 27 oled. Now trying g80sd. Lets see if they have fixed that problem
Personally I would only want a glossy monitor if it's actual glass like what Apple has. Glossy plastic scratches so easily and visibly, you have to be careful when cleaning or transporting these. I guess maybe there is no demand for glass panels for gamers, but I wish there were.
Gonna have to disagree considering I have my old 12 year old glossy IPS monitor setting on the floor in a corner as a backup (was one of three back when I used it), multiple moves just placed on the back seat of a car, cleaned with a regular rag and some windex etc. Still flawless, way easier to clean than the matte monitor I have now!
I originally wanted an Glossy Oled Monitor but they didnt have the Alienware in stock so i decided to grab the samsung g60sd and im keeping it. Absolutely no glare! and the picture is absolutely stunning. That being said if i had a room with less light i probably would have gone with the Glossy monitor! Both amazing monitors.
@@mirarid Sure can. In fact I used to have 3x27" monitors for years all on their stands, so the 49" is saving space... Place the printer, HDD enclosure and headphone amp etc behind it and they're out of the way too!
@@cenciende9401 Depends how big your desk is too, mine is only 100x60. Not everyone has huge desks though. The 42 inch C3 is barealy doable for me I guess
Microcenter needs to open a store in Maine damnit. All these chains seem to forget about us up here in Vacationland. They'd make a killing opening a store in Portland Maine. Come on Microcenter.
Exactly the reason why I prefer to have a glossy screen on the Steam Deck OLED too. The image looks sharper and allows all the HDR to punch me in the face.
Apparently this monitor has a glossy coating on top of a matte coating (LG isn't making the panel without the matte coating), so you get the reflections of glossy with the graininess of matte combined. edit: people are saying this is a different panel than the matte WOLED and ASUS so far is the only one using it. It's certainly not the same glossy coating LG is using on their TVs, so I'm not sure what to believe.
nope it is a true glossy coating, HDTVTEST's Vincent explained that MLA+ panel 's diode 's arrangment is different from their previous Evo panel. thus the distortion of light would look different. the only Woled which had glossy on top of a matte Coating is Dough only.
I'm not really aware of the "dirty' screen. The glossy monitor looked warmer while the matte monitor looked cooler. If I was to turn my monitors overall brightness down then I might could see why it would look dirty, but the problem would be that it's just too dim making the white washed out a tad, or having a smudged effect instead of a true bright white. Could just overall screen brightness by the issue you are having? Of course there is also that fine balance between monitor brightness and contrast to think about as well.
Oh my god, i thought i was the only one with the dirty screen effect, but i finally found someone else with this issue and it indeed has to do with the crappy matte coating that LG uses on their displays. It essentially looks a little grainy and whenever there's something white on the screen or just a brighter colour in general, you can clearly see it being like that and it annoyed me so much that i just RMA'd the monitor.
''..it's the kind of picture profile you'd use on a TV in a shop so that it kind of stands out compared to other TVs and then baits you into buying..'' what a line Dawid, many millions have fallen for this!
I bought both a glossy Qd Oled (Aorus) and a matte samsung. The glossy was better, blacks were deeper, colors more vibrant, and the matte had some greyish haze I didn't like in a bright room. I think you're missing out on some Oled benefits when buying a matte / semi matte oled display
I might be one of the few who really prefer matte screens over glossy. I've had both and fell back to a matte screen. I helped my sister buy a portable, it had a glossy OLED and sure it looked nice, but the reflections made me crazy. Still if she hadn't bought it I would happily bought it myself as it was the only OLED screen I had seen so far. But it's been years and I can't imagine the horror of having a glossy screen now. As I said I might be one of a smal group of users. I'm also older than most of those watching this channel, and it shows in my preferences being more for usability than rainbow LEDs and bling making your computer look cheap..
The only thing you're missing out on with a matte screen is eyestrain headaches. It is not as "murky" as Dawid is implying, nor does it fix the white issues. Do your health a favor and ignore how initially fancy the shinier screens look. The matte finish won't bother anyone unless they obsess over videos like this. Glossy = headaches.
A long time ago I bought a cheap-ish lcd monitor to replace my crt one, might’ve been still 4:3 too. Anyway, it was glossy and looked so vibrant! Unfortunately it had a cluster of permanently red pixels towards the center. I brought it back, and the shop owner pointed out that some pixels can be faulty, it wasn’t covered by the warranty… then he tried turning it on, made a “ah, ffs!” face and agreed to swap it with a different one.
C'mon Dawid, you keep forgetting to use the Spyder, calibrating both monitors would have been a better comparison than choosing the closest picture profile!
I love the Shop Mode on TVs and Monitors, A Colorful Picture And a Black so deep like the Deep-Space itself. Who cares about the Electricity bill :D The Asus Monitor is just Perfect. As Always Thank you for that Video.
I swapped from a 4K TN Panel with matte finish to a 40 inch 4K TV with Gloss finish. Yes the 4K Monitor was really sharp on 28 inches compared to the 40 inch one. But tbh. at 110ppi I don't see much of an issue to just use an 40 inch screen. But what I realized is that many things appeared more clearer and more "sharpish", when I swapped to a gloss screen. Something on the monitor made it always look like it had extreme softness on the edge.
I think that the problem you are trying to solve is not related to the monitor finish. It's because of the brightness limiter of OLED panels. You can turn it off. It might be in the User Menu. But you might have to access the Service Menu. The display is crushing the White, and it's dynamic. It does it more the larger the solid white area. You need to turn this off. Every brand and model is different, so where the setting is can vary a lot. But if you turn it off, that grainy effect will go away on both monitors.
I have had a lg oled for about a year now and yes, that void like black is just crazy. Before the lg i had a Dell ultrasharp ips that has the weird medium grey blacks so going from the murky grey to the dark blacks of the oled were quite impressive. i have also noticed the screen door effect of the brighter colors but forgive it because I dont think their is a better display right now. I think the screen door appearance has to do with LG's pattern of sub pixel pattern compared to the traditional layout.
I noticed this same thing with my corsair Xenon Flex. Unless there is some other color up, the white looks almost like its dirty. I think its supposed to do that as a way to save the OLED screen from having some burnin issues quickly. Its like it intersperses pixels on/off to prevent burn in as well as flash-blinding someone. I was playing pubg and I was literally blinded by a flashbang because the screen got so bright.
Read about screen uniformity, it's the main culprit behind a "dirty screen" effect. Try a QD-OLED display... it genuinely has some of the most insane screen uniformity on any display you can test. Pure white screen is actually pure white on a whole panel, even TV sized(I own a 65" S95B from Samsung). Downside is that the colors are so insane and saturated that you will very likely NOT enjoy the presentation as it's clearly opposite of a "accurate" display LG does.
Colour accuracy can be calibrated towards so long as the panel is capable of displaying the respective colour space. That's not really an issue in most instances. There's also very good QD-OLED monitors on the market with very decent factory calibration for those that don't want to fiddle around with it & for accurately showing gaming content (since those usually aren't subjected to colour management profiles).
I'm currently using a Samung G6 OLED that comes aith a matte coating. The coating works very well for my conditions and it has spectacular colours and contrast. It may be less vibrant than a glossy monitor, but for my current needs, the matte aspect is very useful. Edit: Just realised this sounds like something AI would write.😅
It's not less vibrant, it's just anti-reflective. The hype that glossy finishes make OLED gaming monitors "better" is a joke. Glossy monitors just cause more eyestrain headaches, stop asking companies to change from matte to glossy, there's a reason all the best gaming monitors have been matte for decades - it's better.
I actually like the Asus stand. I can multitask between phone video calls and conference calls with it. Just the angle is obv way too low for the phone 😅
Man, I really hate glossy screens for everyday use- probably because I always have a lot of lights that reflect them. They're good for dark rooms though. My main monitor is an IPS with a matte finish screen and it's super sharp- I love it- just gotta keep em clean.
The perception of reflections is not limited to their visibility, but also to "how" it is visible. In the left image, the reflection is sharp-edged, and these sharp-edged reflections cut through the actual image, which is simply more disruptive. On small Displays reflections however isnt a big problem, I couldnt live with that on a 55inch TV. Sun and light is then everywhere, not easy to hide. And I dont want to watch TV in a bunker.
just bought the 480hz 1440p rog swift thinking it was a glossy monitor only to get home and see it wasnt, picture is really clear but definitely wish it was a glossy finish
i took the risk and a few days ago ordered the glossy 32 inch Spectrum Black from dough i really hope i dont get scammed but it could be the best monitor for years to come.
The only experience I have had with an Oled (and I'm ashamed to say it given my many years involved with personal PC's) is my current laptop the ZenBook Pro Duo Oled with 2 x 2.8K 120Hz touchscreens. Together with an i9-13900H and RTX 4060, gaming on it is just pure pleasure. Cost an arm and a leg but it'll last a couple years and the 2nd screen is spot on for Excel and other work.
I used to have glossy monitors, light was never a problem, I don't know where people have windows to be complaining about that so much or why they would position their setup so badly. No, I just don't like seeing the reflection in dark areas of the screen, or when it goes full black being jump scared by my own face!
No the dirty gray issue is not when it is displaying white colours. But gray or darker shades like when u use windows dark mode. This is another issue.
Blasting a pure white screen to check for the "dirty screen effect" had me thinking: "wow, that screen is seriously dirty". Just to realize... that it was just my own damn monitor that needed cleaning.
you should consider testing for peak brightness aka the nits value of both monitors to measure how well the monitors are handling white just looking at them saying they are more or less the same, maybe one is better, is kinda keeping it real but some of us appreciate numbers ;-)
I think that the glossy monitor does something the matte won't do, which is darker darks. matte monitors always have that sort of grey tinge over the black areas as you see the matte. The glossy tends to show those black better, which I think is why you are seeing many of the gaming presets lean that direction. You can see the difference in the video around the bright star thing on the lower right. The area around it should be very black, and it was clear the matte monitor had a grey tinge to the whole thing. Otherwise, the monitors are so damn good - both of them - that either one would satisfy 99% of the people.
I think my preference may be matte for laptops and glossy for desk monitors. My problem with glossy finishes on laptops is when you get an imprint of your keyboard smudged into the surface of the screen every time you close the lid. And like you said, I don't think the colors are all that different between displays that are actually properly color calibrated in my experience. The colors on a laptop with a good-quality screen and a matte finish is still going to look way better than a glossy laptop with a junk screen with low color gamut.
Found the Moba Mode on an LG screen from my GF a while back. When I turned it on in League of Legends it was exactly this haha. All black and white besides red I think. I actually think everything was red. Even the own health bar. So probably it also changes greens into red? After trying it out to maybe find some sort of benefit I found it so disturbing. Everything was way harder to recognise bcs everythings just grey haha. Glad Im not the only one who didnt see the purpose in it. Game modes on screens are hella weird anyways. What do companies think? Why would racing look like this, RTS like that and so on. I just want a filmmaker mode on monitors. Some TVs alr have sth like that. HGIG. But like alw monitors are super behind and way worse than their bigger brothers. So maybe in a few years we also get sth like this on most monitors :I
I also enjoyed the glossy finish on my C2 in terms of color pop, buuut having any light in the room killed the immersion for me in dark content like horror games.
I gamed on my QN90B for a month last year. It was a great experience, but glossy is pretty distracting to me. That’s purely my standpoint though. My screen was facing away from the window and I generally game with my curtains closed. IMO matte is crucial for PC screens.
I use an Alienware AW3423DWF. Great monitor with excellent color calibration. Although I did change the color gains from 100% on everything to 92% red, 93% green and left blue at 100% because I've never been a fan of overly warm/red default color profiles where even when I'm looking at a pure white image, it still looks oddly reddish orange. A trend I've always seen on virtually all monitors I've ever used (except one), not just OLED. I love the color vibrancy of OLED, but I also like a more neutral color profile where colors look like their supposed to and not have everything skewed toward red because someone thinks it makes the image feel "warmer". White should look white. Not red, not blue and not green (most monitors I've used tend to favor red out of the box, but I did have one that oddly enough tended to favor greens). Anyway, that's enough of that rant, the Alienware AW3423DWF uses a bit of weird coating. It's not quite completely matte, but also not quite completely glossy either. It's a little of both and I've been really happy with it. I know the guy at Hardware Unboxed has had some reservations regarding the coating Dell uses, but I've never noticed nor had any issues with it in use and I think Tim even admitted mostly the same experience. And I've actually been really surprised with it in all light conditions. I mostly use it in a dim or dark room, but even with full sunlight in the room, this has been the best monitor I've ever used with excellent image quality with pretty much no glare that I've ever noticed in use.
i Personally hate using a glossy screen with the passion of a thousand burning suns. I don't know why but every reflection catches my eye and constantly distracts me every time it changes, even when the reflection is of me and I move it distracts me.
Totally agree. And as someone who's back is to a sliding glass door, there will be reflections and glare a plenty. So it's a big No Thanks for me to gloss.
Screen door/dirty oled is largely a pixel pitch/density issue due to how oleds do pixels. VR headsets have the same issue. Try adjusting viewing distance until it goes away and then compare to an LCD. You should be able to get much closer to an LCD than OLED before "artifacts" appear. The general advice goes 1080p lcd = 1440p oled for sharpness. You need something like 1700-1800p for oled to match lcd 1440p which is why you should skip all of that nonsense and just go 4k oled. The screen door is less noticeable there.
The layout of my apartment forces me to put my tv screen 3' away from a giant window that gets direct sun for 4 hours/day. A glossy screen would be almost unusable because of the reflections. Semi-matte finishes are much less bothersome even if a glossy screens makes colours pop a bit more.
when i got my first lg oled display in 2020, i instantly fell in love with oled and the gloss finish...my fancy 38" 165hz uw ips g-sync monitor remained unused for pc games from that day until i could replace it with a 42" oled
Dawid for the love of god get them to put the shop on the north end of Miami. They won't get any staff putting it on the south end and the place will run like garbage. For those who don't know, South Miami shares it's workforce with the Keys because no one can afford to live on the islands. The keys pays them massively more than Miami does so unless Microcenter is hiring at $25/hour ONLY 9 to 5 they are going to have a bad time.
It's almost done (less than 60 days until open), of course it's gonna be in Doral due to proximity to the airport and all the freight forwarding that goes on down there.
I’m happy with this monitor. Blacks are awesome no purple fringing and whites look white instead of light blue
I love that water analogy. Made complete sense, and really helped me understand
I have the 32" 4K WOLED from LG with matt coating for two weeks now. The internet is going wild for it to have a non-glossy coating. I took several monitors here and all I can say that in the realm of matt coatings the LG has the best matt coating. My TV is a C1 so I do understand the appeal of glossy. I do agree that the difference is quite small.
Hello ! do you think it's worth it the new lg 4k matt coating released this year ? or just I go with the asus ?
@@gabrielripw0lf293 for me it was also either the Asus or the LG. I could get the LG for 300 euro less so that's what made the decision.
@@detmer87 ohh okey and did you use the 480 hz on competitive games ? how does it feel
I think matte coatings are horrendous in general. It's the reason why 1080P at 24.5 Inches is no longer the gold standard anymore. There has been plenty of great 1080P/240HZ monitors that basically went to waste. The sharpness on those displays would be perfectly fine otherwise if they had a glossy coating.
Samsung's matte coating is far superior
IDK if you have heard of this but this monitor was reviewed by another youtuber, TheDisplayGuy, and they also found that this specific monitor does have some amount of grain not present on other glossy displays. That would probably explain why it didn't fix the oily look on the display fully.
His “reviews” are very biased. Everything is objectively good or awful with no In between. I would only watch him if i wanted to justify my own purchase to myself or to bash on someone else who has another opinion
@@lego_minifigagree, that guy is only interested in shoving his own opinion down others throats and getting people to buy things through his affiliate links....
My favourite part of the video is Dawid looking at two white things and deciding which one looks better
It's just like every Canadian on a dating app
I wish you'd put model numbers in your video description!
should increase his view count a little bit too from people searching for reviews and information on the monitors
yep , also price , wasting time
@@eugene4950 Wasting time? Isn't there a Link to the display for sale?
@@OrRaino there is indeed dudes just blind
@@OrRaino I get message on that link to microcenter "Forbidden 403"
Bought this montor today and can't wait for it to arrive. My dad even painted that image of the pillars of creation and you convince me that will be my screen saver.
I'm thinking about buying it myself. How is it so far?
“Borderline inappropriate feelings toward them”! Lmaooo
I did that too but only once because that white screen almost burned my eyes and i can't recognize anything for a while 😂at full brightness ofc because why not 😂
@@theanglerfish You gotta do full brightness. 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuff i had to do it 🤣
There was a trick with LCD displays that you could lay wet paper towels onto the LCD panel overnight (keeping it inside the plastic bag to not let water to evaporate) and then you could carefully peal matting layer from the screen
you do that with 10 matte $600+ OLEDS and upload it.
1:43 I'm pretty sure the dirty screen effect is not caused by matte coating, it's just panel uniformity issues, plenty TV's with glossy panels suffer from this.
This is my first time with a matte screen monitor and I'm loving it. LG UltraGear OLED 39" curved 39GS95QE 3440X1440 240hz .03 refresh
Thanks micro centre for sponsoring a fellow Canadian cause apparently our Canadian stores don’t feel like it.
Just sucks cause it’s too hot to pull my polar bear out and it usually takes a few days to get there riding 85 paws/hr.
I'm 45, so when I saw shades of green, my first thought was "That's weird that they did a Game Boy mode." Then you were like "Night Vision Mode" and I was like "Oh, yeah." And, the funny thing is, I was in the Army 20 years ago, so I've used NVGs.
lol yep, even my consumer grade night vision goggles are blue. No one uses green anymore unless they're larping splinter cell.
@@setcheck67ehh the shit tier pvs14’s use black and green and the Pvs 7’s do too, at least those are the ones they give shit units
@@bluenexus1212 Makes sense if the military still has surplus from the old ones, might as well use them on something. Shame though, the ones I got were something like 2500 on a sale and I wouldn't trade them for anything. Being able to see the sky in perfect clarity at night is amazing.
@@setcheck67even in splinter cell the night vision is a heat map.
Funny enough most modern Night Vision is full color unless its lidar
As someone who has astigmatism that results in matte coatings turning all monitors into Vaseline, I approve of glossy monitors. It's nice to see that there are lower priced options than the 4k QD-OLED panels coming out.... but I think I'll keep my 4k 240Hz ;)
not sure what astigmatism has to do with it, all matte coatings look worse for anyone
That microcenter deal might be the best they have ever done.
Man I just got the MSI 271 QRX and the picture blows me away. So glad I went for glossy instead of all these horrible matte coatings around. I just bought a big pair of blackout curtains and boom, zero glare or light on the monitor.
how is the QD OLED vs the W OLED?
Also, how is the lighting in your room? I know you have the natural light blocked out now, but how is everything else?
I scored the OLED Swift rog monitor😊 today off of eBay for $425 out the door. It was from a liquidation company it wasn't opened or anything was open to take a picture and put it right back in the box....😎
I vote to rename the NightVision mode to the PCW512 mode!
I watch Dawid and I feel like everything is right with world, thanks Dawid!
The resolution of what you see in all those reflections is really impressive. And if the sun comes out it automatically adjusts your priorities in life. If thats what you want from gaming tech.
I use an Asus Zenbook 14 for school (it’s got a Ryzen 8840HS with integrated Radeon 780m and 16GB of RAM for anyone wondering). It has a glossy 2560x1600 OLES display. And though I don’t use it for gaming. I absolutely love how it looks. The photos windows 11 automatically chooses as your background look absolutely magnificent. Very vibrant and colourful and of course amazing contrast. Only things I could mention as a downside: it’s a little hard to clean. I work with lots of people at school and though I hate it, they do touch the screen with their fingers when pointing at something or sometimes people even (accidentally) spit a little while talking. It really doesn’t get of easily. Or at least not with a dry glasses cloth. I’m not very sure how I should clean it since I’m very hesitant I might damage it.
But asides the cleaning part. I absolutely adore the display.
Lastly I’m wondering: Why (at least in my experience) do monitors often get a mat coating. But are TV’s glossy? Though I don’t have a mat OLED. I do have a mat IPS for my main PC currently. And if it’s any comparable: I do certainly agree the glossy screens look a lot more pleasing (and honestly it’s not like the mat IPS monitor is very easy to clean either).
I have been using Oled TV's as my display for going on 3 years now, before that I was using Qled. I think the problem with alot of these Oled "Monitors" is they are so heavily geared towards gamers that they jam a bunch of rubbish presets into them which make them really difficult to calibrate out of the box. You would think a TV has that problem but they really don't. I was using the 55" LG CS for a while but opted to go down to the LG C2 Evo 48" and the experience for me is far better as the pixel density is far better. In terms of colour accuracy, the C2 calibrates extremely well and for me as a 3d animator, vfx artist and Game environment and cinematic creator I am loving this display. The colour accuracy along with an incredible HDR experience when gaming really makes this screen pop.
One thing I noticed in your video was when your Asus display was off (not even going to talk about the matt display as those just leave an ugly taste in my mouth) but when the display was off, it wasn't completely black like the LG Oled TV's I have. When my screen is off the panel is pitch black, it doesn't have that grey/brown look to it like yours did. I wander if that isn't some sort of filter on the display that is causing your dirty white effect as I don't have that issue on my screen at all? The colours are incredibly uniform.
I went for AW3225QF and have literally zero regrets. Hands down the best monitor I owned - I replaced LG C2, and it's a proper upgrade, even though it's a smaller monitor. 🙂
Same thing, I love the sight curve and lower price :)
@@bootchoo96 Yeah, I don't understand why it's the cheapest 32" 4K O,LED here in EU! In US I think the cheapest is the MSI model, but I wouldn't want to buy it as I don't like the design and wanted that curve. I wanted a curved monitor ever since I had Samsung Oddysey G7 which had a massive 1000R curve... I would like this one to have it too, but hey.. it's the only curved 32" OLED so I'm not complaining 🙂
You know, there's a lot of disavantages about being mostly colorblind, but one thing I dont have to be picky about is the details of monitors like color accuracy or color bleed for blooming.
Uhh, no. When you are colorblind, you still want to see natural colors on screen.
@@turrican4d599 But the difference isn't great. For example I see no difference between 1080 and 4k resolution. What's a natural colour to me is probably not a natural colour to you. The best explanation I have come up with for myself is that I only see the primary colours. All others are only different shades of these.
@@frederickclause2694 You having terrible eyesight doesn't mean that everyone else should be content with a washed out 1080p TN monitor, though.
@@bara555 I don't recall saying they should.
@@frederickclause2694 Sorry about the tone of my previous reply. What I was trying to say is, more people than not would appreciate a better monitor, with accurate colours, whether they can see the full range of them, or not. It's just so nice when a monitor actually has red, not just different shades of orange. I can fully recommend a good IPS panel if you ever need a new monitor. Unless OLED goes mainstream by then, of course.
Now you need to try a glossy QD-OLED!
i returned it. oled is too heavy on eyes..
@@Creationseed9wtf does that even mean 😂
@@Creationseed9 Too heavy on your eyes lol what?
Qd oled makes eyes tired. Had aw dwf and my eyes were red from 9-5 work. Had no issues with the lg 27 oled. Now trying g80sd. Lets see if they have fixed that problem
@@drunkhusband6257 he means that he sold his eyes to buy one
Man I love your videos I mean youre not the most cientific testing youtuber wich I mostly prefer but youre so fresh
I like your review, I suppose if I went for glossy monitor I would want my room lights positioned and full controlled.
Personally I would only want a glossy monitor if it's actual glass like what Apple has.
Glossy plastic scratches so easily and visibly, you have to be careful when cleaning or transporting these. I guess maybe there is no demand for glass panels for gamers, but I wish there were.
Gonna have to disagree considering I have my old 12 year old glossy IPS monitor setting on the floor in a corner as a backup (was one of three back when I used it), multiple moves just placed on the back seat of a car, cleaned with a regular rag and some windex etc. Still flawless, way easier to clean than the matte monitor I have now!
@@cenciende9401 what monitor is it?
Try one of the QD oleds. Maybe tittle it “My Dream Monitor” or something because 4k 240hz Oled is insane.
@@ELpeaceonearth hz is a refresh rate...not a frame rate. It still refreshes 240 times a second regardless of fps.
@@ELpeaceonearth I have 2 240hz oled monitors, not this specific one though
I originally wanted an Glossy Oled Monitor but they didnt have the Alienware in stock so i decided to grab the samsung g60sd and im keeping it. Absolutely no glare! and the picture is absolutely stunning. That being said if i had a room with less light i probably would have gone with the Glossy monitor! Both amazing monitors.
49inch lg c1 , the best thing I've bought for gaming ever.
Yeah I have one as well, but it can't really go on a desk
@@mirarid no not really. I have two 27's on the desk and the oled hanging from the roof, re-inforced above the celing.
@@mirarid Sure can. In fact I used to have 3x27" monitors for years all on their stands, so the 49" is saving space... Place the printer, HDD enclosure and headphone amp etc behind it and they're out of the way too!
@@cenciende9401 Depends how big your desk is too, mine is only 100x60. Not everyone has huge desks though. The 42 inch C3 is barealy doable for me I guess
way too big for PC use Xd
Microcenter needs to open a store in Maine damnit. All these chains seem to forget about us up here in Vacationland. They'd make a killing opening a store in Portland Maine. Come on Microcenter.
Exactly the reason why I prefer to have a glossy screen on the Steam Deck OLED too. The image looks sharper and allows all the HDR to punch me in the face.
Apparently this monitor has a glossy coating on top of a matte coating (LG isn't making the panel without the matte coating), so you get the reflections of glossy with the graininess of matte combined.
edit: people are saying this is a different panel than the matte WOLED and ASUS so far is the only one using it. It's certainly not the same glossy coating LG is using on their TVs, so I'm not sure what to believe.
Yeah he needs to try one of the new QD-OLEDs to see some real glossy
Why would LG do this
False. LG makes this glossy finish at the factory and ASUS has exclusivity for now.
@Alvin853 So you're saying if you buy this monitor you get the disadvantages of both? At least with ASUS you get great warranty suppor...
Oh NVM
nope it is a true glossy coating, HDTVTEST's Vincent explained that MLA+ panel 's diode 's arrangment is different from their previous Evo panel. thus the distortion of light would look different. the only Woled which had glossy on top of a matte Coating is Dough only.
I feel like the best use case for a matte screen is always going to be a laptop, where you routinely have it in less than ideal lighting situations.
I'm not really aware of the "dirty' screen. The glossy monitor looked warmer while the matte monitor looked cooler. If I was to turn my monitors overall brightness down then I might could see why it would look dirty, but the problem would be that it's just too dim making the white washed out a tad, or having a smudged effect instead of a true bright white. Could just overall screen brightness by the issue you are having? Of course there is also that fine balance between monitor brightness and contrast to think about as well.
You should check out the Lenovo Legion Slim 5 14inch. Its got a 2.8k OLED. Would be interesting to see how it stacks up against the Asus one
I love the "glossy" finish. I play in a pretty dark environment and glare isn't a problem anyway.
Oh my god, i thought i was the only one with the dirty screen effect, but i finally found someone else with this issue and it indeed has to do with the crappy matte coating that LG uses on their displays. It essentially looks a little grainy and whenever there's something white on the screen or just a brighter colour in general, you can clearly see it being like that and it annoyed me so much that i just RMA'd the monitor.
''..it's the kind of picture profile you'd use on a TV in a shop so that it kind of stands out compared to other TVs and then baits you into buying..'' what a line Dawid, many millions have fallen for this!
I'd love to see you take a super-cheap matte display and coat the screen with spray clearcoat, to see if you can roll your own glossy display :)
The "racing mode" is the most accurate color wise
I bought both a glossy Qd Oled (Aorus) and a matte samsung.
The glossy was better, blacks were deeper, colors more vibrant, and the matte had some greyish haze I didn't like in a bright room.
I think you're missing out on some Oled benefits when buying a matte / semi matte oled display
I might be one of the few who really prefer matte screens over glossy. I've had both and fell back to a matte screen. I helped my sister buy a portable, it had a glossy OLED and sure it looked nice, but the reflections made me crazy. Still if she hadn't bought it I would happily bought it myself as it was the only OLED screen I had seen so far. But it's been years and I can't imagine the horror of having a glossy screen now.
As I said I might be one of a smal group of users. I'm also older than most of those watching this channel, and it shows in my preferences being more for usability than rainbow LEDs and bling making your computer look cheap..
The only thing you're missing out on with a matte screen is eyestrain headaches. It is not as "murky" as Dawid is implying, nor does it fix the white issues. Do your health a favor and ignore how initially fancy the shinier screens look. The matte finish won't bother anyone unless they obsess over videos like this. Glossy = headaches.
QD-OLED isn't fully glossy though, it's semi glossy.
@@Simon_Denmark everything looks "semi-gloss" next to an LG display. LG went heavy gloss and vantablack level blacks.
A long time ago I bought a cheap-ish lcd monitor to replace my crt one, might’ve been still 4:3 too. Anyway, it was glossy and looked so vibrant! Unfortunately it had a cluster of permanently red pixels towards the center. I brought it back, and the shop owner pointed out that some pixels can be faulty, it wasn’t covered by the warranty… then he tried turning it on, made a “ah, ffs!” face and agreed to swap it with a different one.
C'mon Dawid, you keep forgetting to use the Spyder, calibrating both monitors would have been a better comparison than choosing the closest picture profile!
I love the Shop Mode on TVs and Monitors, A Colorful Picture And a Black so deep like the Deep-Space itself. Who cares about the Electricity bill :D The Asus Monitor is just Perfect.
As Always Thank you for that Video.
I swapped from a 4K TN Panel with matte finish to a 40 inch 4K TV with Gloss finish. Yes the 4K Monitor was really sharp on 28 inches compared to the 40 inch one. But tbh. at 110ppi I don't see much of an issue to just use an 40 inch screen. But what I realized is that many things appeared more clearer and more "sharpish", when I swapped to a gloss screen. Something on the monitor made it always look like it had extreme softness on the edge.
I think that the problem you are trying to solve is not related to the monitor finish. It's because of the brightness limiter of OLED panels. You can turn it off. It might be in the User Menu. But you might have to access the Service Menu.
The display is crushing the White, and it's dynamic. It does it more the larger the solid white area. You need to turn this off. Every brand and model is different, so where the setting is can vary a lot.
But if you turn it off, that grainy effect will go away on both monitors.
I love it when Canadiens do Micro Center spots becasue there ar enone in Canada hell there are barely any here in the states
I have had a lg oled for about a year now and yes, that void like black is just crazy. Before the lg i had a Dell ultrasharp ips that has the weird medium grey blacks so going from the murky grey to the dark blacks of the oled were quite impressive. i have also noticed the screen door effect of the brighter colors but forgive it because I dont think their is a better display right now. I think the screen door appearance has to do with LG's pattern of sub pixel pattern compared to the traditional layout.
Just bought one of these babies. I'm happy with it.
If I didn't already own an Asus ROG Swift AQDM Oled monitor, then THIS new glossy one would be the monitor of my choice.
I noticed this same thing with my corsair Xenon Flex. Unless there is some other color up, the white looks almost like its dirty. I think its supposed to do that as a way to save the OLED screen from having some burnin issues quickly. Its like it intersperses pixels on/off to prevent burn in as well as flash-blinding someone. I was playing pubg and I was literally blinded by a flashbang because the screen got so bright.
Read about screen uniformity, it's the main culprit behind a "dirty screen" effect. Try a QD-OLED display... it genuinely has some of the most insane screen uniformity on any display you can test. Pure white screen is actually pure white on a whole panel, even TV sized(I own a 65" S95B from Samsung).
Downside is that the colors are so insane and saturated that you will very likely NOT enjoy the presentation as it's clearly opposite of a "accurate" display LG does.
you can calibrate and adjust settings to get a properly accurate presentation with all the pluses of qd oled over woled
Colour accuracy can be calibrated towards so long as the panel is capable of displaying the respective colour space. That's not really an issue in most instances. There's also very good QD-OLED monitors on the market with very decent factory calibration for those that don't want to fiddle around with it & for accurately showing gaming content (since those usually aren't subjected to colour management profiles).
Calibrate your monitor... It's that simple to make it accurate, why would you not do this with any new monitor you buy?
@@cenciende9401 you can calibrate a monitor but it wont fix problems with the screen like uniformity, it will only fix colors
so many folks out here not knowing anything about tech
Great review!
The only comparison I can trust. Finally Dawid
Add costs for a coating process only to make the image worse. Makes sense.
That's not how it works
I'm currently using a Samung G6 OLED that comes aith a matte coating. The coating works very well for my conditions and it has spectacular colours and contrast. It may be less vibrant than a glossy monitor, but for my current needs, the matte aspect is very useful.
Edit: Just realised this sounds like something AI would write.😅
What's the difference bw odyssey g5,g6.....,g9?
It's not less vibrant, it's just anti-reflective. The hype that glossy finishes make OLED gaming monitors "better" is a joke. Glossy monitors just cause more eyestrain headaches, stop asking companies to change from matte to glossy, there's a reason all the best gaming monitors have been matte for decades - it's better.
I actually like the Asus stand. I can multitask between phone video calls and conference calls with it. Just the angle is obv way too low for the phone 😅
Man, I really hate glossy screens for everyday use- probably because I always have a lot of lights that reflect them. They're good for dark rooms though. My main monitor is an IPS with a matte finish screen and it's super sharp- I love it- just gotta keep em clean.
The perception of reflections is not limited to their visibility, but also to "how" it is visible. In the left image, the reflection is sharp-edged, and these sharp-edged reflections cut through the actual image, which is simply more disruptive. On small Displays reflections however isnt a big problem, I couldnt live with that on a 55inch TV. Sun and light is then everywhere, not easy to hide. And I dont want to watch TV in a bunker.
just bought the 480hz 1440p rog swift thinking it was a glossy monitor only to get home and see it wasnt, picture is really clear but definitely wish it was a glossy finish
i took the risk and a few days ago ordered the glossy 32 inch Spectrum Black from dough i really hope i dont get scammed but it could be the best monitor for years to come.
Lol. Made me clean my screen instantly as I did not clean it for more than half a year now.
So... thanks!
Funny how the "dirty screen effect" bothers you but you have no issues with all the reflections on a glossy screen.
A UA-camr who actually plays Dota? You have my sub! (Oh and I watched it cuz I got the same monitor since last week)
Thanks for the review, for about the same price do you recommend this over the alienware aw2725df?
The only experience I have had with an Oled (and I'm ashamed to say it given my many years involved with personal PC's) is my current laptop the ZenBook Pro Duo Oled with 2 x 2.8K 120Hz touchscreens. Together with an i9-13900H and RTX 4060, gaming on it is just pure pleasure. Cost an arm and a leg but it'll last a couple years and the 2nd screen is spot on for Excel and other work.
I used to have glossy monitors, light was never a problem, I don't know where people have windows to be complaining about that so much or why they would position their setup so badly. No, I just don't like seeing the reflection in dark areas of the screen, or when it goes full black being jump scared by my own face!
I have the og lg 27” oled from last year. With the colors dialed in and the service remote for a brightness boost it is fantastic. No fomo
i did the same thing, with some time spent calibrating and the service remote, it looks amazing.
Hopefully you never need to RMA or use the warranty, because ASUS......
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 Yeah let's pray. 😅
My monitor does white amazingly! On another note - why do you keep wearing beige T-shirts Dawid?
Night Vision gives takes me back to the Amstrad days with a green screen monitor
I made my AW3423DWF Glossy. I removed Anti Glare Film. Just peel it off no water was used. Just some 70 percent alcohol after. I love it
No the dirty gray issue is not when it is displaying white colours. But gray or darker shades like when u use windows dark mode. This is another issue.
5:05 Oh yeah Dawid has definitely done some psychedlics with that comment
Blasting a pure white screen to check for the "dirty screen effect" had me thinking: "wow, that screen is seriously dirty". Just to realize... that it was just my own damn monitor that needed cleaning.
i use a 48" oled tv as a monitor, its also glossy of course - love it
you should consider testing for peak brightness aka the nits value of both monitors to measure how well the monitors are handling white
just looking at them saying they are more or less the same, maybe one is better, is kinda keeping it real but some of us appreciate numbers ;-)
I think that the glossy monitor does something the matte won't do, which is darker darks. matte monitors always have that sort of grey tinge over the black areas as you see the matte. The glossy tends to show those black better, which I think is why you are seeing many of the gaming presets lean that direction. You can see the difference in the video around the bright star thing on the lower right. The area around it should be very black, and it was clear the matte monitor had a grey tinge to the whole thing.
Otherwise, the monitors are so damn good - both of them - that either one would satisfy 99% of the people.
I think my preference may be matte for laptops and glossy for desk monitors. My problem with glossy finishes on laptops is when you get an imprint of your keyboard smudged into the surface of the screen every time you close the lid. And like you said, I don't think the colors are all that different between displays that are actually properly color calibrated in my experience. The colors on a laptop with a good-quality screen and a matte finish is still going to look way better than a glossy laptop with a junk screen with low color gamut.
Found the Moba Mode on an LG screen from my GF a while back. When I turned it on in League of Legends it was exactly this haha. All black and white besides red I think. I actually think everything was red. Even the own health bar. So probably it also changes greens into red? After trying it out to maybe find some sort of benefit I found it so disturbing. Everything was way harder to recognise bcs everythings just grey haha. Glad Im not the only one who didnt see the purpose in it. Game modes on screens are hella weird anyways. What do companies think? Why would racing look like this, RTS like that and so on. I just want a filmmaker mode on monitors. Some TVs alr have sth like that. HGIG. But like alw monitors are super behind and way worse than their bigger brothers. So maybe in a few years we also get sth like this on most monitors :I
personally, I feel glossy is more helpful for blacks instead of whites, the glossy makes small details on black BG pop more
I also enjoyed the glossy finish on my C2 in terms of color pop, buuut having any light in the room killed the immersion for me in dark content like horror games.
I gamed on my QN90B for a month last year. It was a great experience, but glossy is pretty distracting to me. That’s purely my standpoint though. My screen was facing away from the window and I generally game with my curtains closed. IMO matte is crucial for PC screens.
Wish one opened in Orlando
I don’t care what people may say but for me glossy monitors are the best especially if they are OLED
watching this in bed at 1am, solid white images was like getting hit by a flashbang
I’ve been using an Alienware Oled monitor for over a year. Still recommend it, highly! I am thinking of getting a wider display though, maybe
Seeing the massive difference in blacks makes me want the LG monitor. Blacks just look a lot better on it than a glossy monitor.
I use an Alienware AW3423DWF. Great monitor with excellent color calibration. Although I did change the color gains from 100% on everything to 92% red, 93% green and left blue at 100% because I've never been a fan of overly warm/red default color profiles where even when I'm looking at a pure white image, it still looks oddly reddish orange. A trend I've always seen on virtually all monitors I've ever used (except one), not just OLED.
I love the color vibrancy of OLED, but I also like a more neutral color profile where colors look like their supposed to and not have everything skewed toward red because someone thinks it makes the image feel "warmer". White should look white. Not red, not blue and not green (most monitors I've used tend to favor red out of the box, but I did have one that oddly enough tended to favor greens).
Anyway, that's enough of that rant, the Alienware AW3423DWF uses a bit of weird coating. It's not quite completely matte, but also not quite completely glossy either. It's a little of both and I've been really happy with it. I know the guy at Hardware Unboxed has had some reservations regarding the coating Dell uses, but I've never noticed nor had any issues with it in use and I think Tim even admitted mostly the same experience. And I've actually been really surprised with it in all light conditions. I mostly use it in a dim or dark room, but even with full sunlight in the room, this has been the best monitor I've ever used with excellent image quality with pretty much no glare that I've ever noticed in use.
What I don't like about glossy screens is that the black level increases when light enters the environment.
i Personally hate using a glossy screen with the passion of a thousand burning suns. I don't know why but every reflection catches my eye and constantly distracts me every time it changes, even when the reflection is of me and I move it distracts me.
Totally agree. And as someone who's back is to a sliding glass door, there will be reflections and glare a plenty. So it's a big No Thanks for me to gloss.
But people will still say that everyone who buys a oled should be able to control their lighting arrangement 100%
I would assume the sRGB mode would be the most accurate in terms of picture quality.
Screen door/dirty oled is largely a pixel pitch/density issue due to how oleds do pixels. VR headsets have the same issue. Try adjusting viewing distance until it goes away and then compare to an LCD. You should be able to get much closer to an LCD than OLED before "artifacts" appear.
The general advice goes 1080p lcd = 1440p oled for sharpness. You need something like 1700-1800p for oled to match lcd 1440p which is why you should skip all of that nonsense and just go 4k oled. The screen door is less noticeable there.
The layout of my apartment forces me to put my tv screen 3' away from a giant window that gets direct sun for 4 hours/day. A glossy screen would be almost unusable because of the reflections. Semi-matte finishes are much less bothersome even if a glossy screens makes colours pop a bit more.
5:40 Generally on Asus monitors "Racing mode" is most calibrated and accurate mode. I don't know why.
Is the logo tumor removable? If so, this will be the perfect monitor.