My Ineos Grenadier - 10.000km Review
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- My experience after the first 10.000km!
- What would I change
- What did I like/dislike
- What issues did I have
#4x4 #ineosgrenadier #loki #offroad #grenadier #review #10000km
0:00 Intro
2:23 Quality
3:58 Turning Radius
4:25 Issues
6:38 What would I change
9:40 Summary
I agree with your analysis. I’ve had my Trialmaster for 3 weeks and have experienced the same software glitches - it’s not a big deal but should be fixed at the first service. The vehicle is way better than I expected, you are very fair and accurate with your feedback- thank you. Best points , the seats are brilliant, ride comfort and lack of road noise, overall build quality and engineering. Keep posting - great to hear from a real user! Thanks, Doug
thank you. i love the seats as well!!
Very much appreciate your reviews - this especially after all those kms!
excellent video again! Really appreciate your real world reports, avoiding hype and just telling it like you see it. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for posting your impressions and experiences with the Grenadier!
You are so polite , 12litres per hundred, get rid of that extra 660kg compared to new landrover defender/landcruiser! Rubbish turning circle, get stuck in many off road trails.!
Thanks, for keeping us updated with your Ineos Grenadier
Thank you for another very helpful video. Your 10k report is thoughtful, organized and well presented! Last year, we reserved a Grenadier and Ford Bronco Badlands, unsure which we'd finally buy for our Colorado mountain location. Last week, we committed for the Bronco. They are both new vehicles that come with some new equipment bugs. While we really like the Grenadier, it remains 7 months away and comes at a ~ 25% $ premium. The Bronco is presently on rail transit to Colorado - just in time this year's offroading season. Also 45 years ago (before our kids arrived) we had great fun in an earlier Bronco version, so obviously some nostalgia for us too. Thanks again for sharing your Grenadier experiences on UA-cam. Best wishes to you & your's! Cheers
kc
totally understand you...especially if u already owned one before!! thx and all the best to you and a lot of joy with your new Bronco!!
Thank you for the content. Cheers from Australia
Excellent review - Thank You
Thank you for your review. I hope they address the issues you mentioned by the time they get around to building my vehicle. 👍😎
hopefully!
Fantastic real life honest review, ineos hopefully will watch this and hopefully listen to make this fantastic car even better for everyday use 👏👏👏
i am also feeding back directly to them. i think they listen and want to improve
Great review, thanks. We just got ours two days ago so this is very interesting.
Brilliant, I hope you will be putting out another video 👍🏻
Excellent review of this long awaited vehicle. As you say there is bound to be some teething issues but it appears that they are very minor for what is the very first of this make and design of vehicle. Thanks v much!
think so as well! I will check a newly delivered Grenadier next week and let you know if the software issues are already solved....
Great review, very informative
Thanks for posting 👍
Love that bank vault solid door thunk. Solid.
Just ordered my trialmaster today, I hope the little bugs get ironed out as they learn about them by thr the time it is built.
Glad to hear you love it still after 10k.
Looking forward to more reports whilst waiting.
Hi. Congrats!!!
I was at the Goodwood Festival of Speed last weekend and met Engineers, SalesReps and the CEO of IAL. They are aware of the bugs and working hard to fix ALL of them. the next software updates should eliminate most of them already (I get mine this week and will report back on that)
Great review
Very useful. Thank you.
I like the way you review! Precisely the topics you would like to know but Ineos keeps quiet about. Thank you!
glad i can help!!
Hi Ingemar. Eine schöne Zusammenfassung der ersten 10tsd km mit all den Pros und Cons. Danke dafür. Grüße, Daniel
dankeschön....sehr gerne!
Great summary, thank you! I had the opurtunity to drive the Grenadier during and expo and i noticed a rattle from the headliner while driving on the gravel. Between the front and rear seat. Anyone else noticed that?
It's amazing they brought something this good to market on the first attempt.
Remains to be seen if it’s any good or not, apparently there are issues with the diffs and who knows what other issues may come to light over the next couple of years as more vehicles get sold.
Agree … no wonder, it was build in the EU 🇪🇺 😂
Its nothing special. Just another 4x4 on live axles with some extra's. Any Land Cruiser does the same.
@@erhardt1477 You mean like Mercedes and Porsche?
It's only been 10k kilometers though and maybe a few months.
Another good one, keep them coming. Hopefully, our lower speed limits in Australia (mostly 100-110km/h) will be much more aerodynamically efficient… I signed my contract a couple of days ago anyway because I’m expecting World Peace to bring down oil prices before mine is delivered.😊
the higher speeds are the issue....if you are "able" to drive slower, the fuel consumption is fine 🤪
Our fuel is cheap . Filling the tank is the least of the cost of ownership.
You will not be disappointed it’s over engineered where it matters. Very impressed with my vehicle… (By the time they start delivering in Oz they may had updated and debugged the software- it’s not a big deal.) To get in and out the back easily, we fitted a small powder coated HD step in the tow bar bolt holes.
@@jameswilson9201 What software problems ?
At higher speeds the aerodynamic drag increases as the "square" of the speed and not linearly like at low speeds. The Grenadier has the aerodynamics of a house brick (not sure of its Cd number), so generally a slower speed will benefit fuel consumption greatly.
Thank so much for continuing to put out detailed videos on the Grenadier. I watched all of your videos including your earlier videos covering cargo space. I wanted to know if you wouldn’t mind measuring the width just above both wheel arches? I am assessing the ability creating a shelf platform on top of the arches to stow wider items. Thank you!
just above the wheel arches it's approximately 137cm
@@grenadier_exploring thank you!!
I am amazed by Ineos- They have hit it out of the park... Hope they can keep this up...
have you seen the pick up version?
@@grenadier_exploring when will the pick up become available?
not sure. but i´ve seen prototypes driving around here in Austria for quite a while now. will try to find that out...
@@grenadier_exploring thank you as it looks like I may have to change my order as the 5 seat commercial isn’t HMRC compliant, and my grenadier will be a works vehicle, so I’m hoping the pick up will meet their criteria
Thanx for the Review, helps me to make decission buy or stay with my wrangler jk...
Nearly ordered one but got a High Spec D-Max for 35k instead, Happy with my decision as this appears to be on sale before it's actually ready.
Hi Great review. I think you are quoting MPG figures in miles per US gallon. For UK gallons , 10.7 L per 100 km is 26.4 MPG, quite a difference!
Yes, you're right.
correct. it´s USG
You know Ingemar did use and quote the consumption using the standard Litres per 100km travelled. So you can easily convert it to whatever you like and answer your own question.
For such a big heavy and ,let’s face it, not very aerodynamic truck, that’s a reasonable return on fuel.
but its both ways way too much! its a Diesel!
My Landcruiser has the same fault with the rear sensor, my tow hitch is the sensor so I enlarged spare tire and that helped, so no matter what the wife backs into she knows there’s at least 12” of space between the next car…
Thank you for sharing your 10k impression, Ingemar. Two usability questions (1) are there enough existing storage locations for basic recovery gear (not sure if the spare wheel ‘cabinet’ can fit the straps and shackles and (2) do you know if there is provision for cb/ham radio mounting (and antenna)?
Thanks again for making the video.
you could definitely fit a basic kit in the spare wheel compartment (but i use it for tie down straps, ice scraper, dog items etc) and there is quite some space under the driver&passenger seats if you have more gear.
I am not aware of any preparation for a CB/ham...
Such a contrast from the recent review by “influencer” Harry’s Garage.
I’m really glad you’re having such a blast in yours, which makes the wait for mine even harder.
Perhaps you could take a noise reading in yours at both motorway and country road speeds. I’m expecting my 2 seater to be a little noisier, but would still be interested to see what the levels are in yours.
Great summary. Keep it going.
thx. noted that and will try to measure that. how long until you get yours?
@@grenadier_exploring I’ve been told my build “month” is July, so am guessing middle to late August, once delivered to my supplier, registered, and accessories fitted (if available).
I think Harry got it wrong on this one mate. I love his content but I think his judgement is off here.
@@dmbassett Unfortunately I think his interests are off too, with him being so closely tied in with JLR...
Thanks - great review.
Can you post a night picture of the dash display and centre console?
will try to add that in one of the videos!
Brilliant review, we are looking at swapping our BMW X4 for a diesel version and we are following your journey along with one of our friends to see if they would recommend it here in Australia. :)
i swapped my X5 for the Grenadier and I don't regret it. Of course you can't really compare those two cars...
Now it's getting hot in Austria and I will report on the performance of the A/C soon plus I will go through the condition of the parts/axles/chassis with my mechanic next month. I guess these things might interest you as well.
I have watched and read every review on these. I am a wrangler guy. I have owned 7 over the years ranging from Jeep CJ’s, YJ’s, TJ’s, & JK’s. Fiat has got there hands all over the wrangler and unfortunately I will never buy another one. They are cheaply built and absolute garbage now a days. I am sure I will tick off a few people on that comment. I am not a huge fan of BMW but I have heard great things about the diesel engine. The Ineos in my opinion looks like a quality built ride. They are only going to get better when they iron out first gen issues. In regards to fuel consumption I really don’t feel like those number are that bad. My 2015 wrangler’s fuel tank capacity is 85L’s. I run 35x12.5x17 tires with 4.10 gears and my fuel economy is out the window but that’s what I was expecting with my build. If I couldn’t afford the petrol I wouldn’t have built it. If someone can afford a 70k-100k 4x4 then you can afford the petrol. If one can’t then don’t buy it. They will be selling them in Canada next year & I can’t wait to buy one.
thx for that comment! I do agree in many points.
I had basically the same engine in my old car and drove 180k kilometres without any issues.
In regard to the hood and boot door handles, recommend adding a longer screw along with some smaller washers at the inset area and then a larger fender washer to stop the handles from flexing as much. Let us know if this works. Ordering my Grenadier tomorrow. Thanks for your reviews, gave me confidence to move forward. DaBulll
i'll try and let you know
looks like I'll need to make some billet aluminum lever replacements.
you can get someone to 3D print one with gusseting as part of the print process, raw Carbon Fibre is not expensive any longer and may only cost around $125/each
I am sure for a brand new car and company, after 12 months a lot of the issues will be raised and get them sorted, and then after 2 years it will be well established 4wd.
Cheers
think (and hope) so as well
Ignition start with a key has been turn ignition on and wait for system check for few seconds, this way since the introduction of fuel injection years ago. Now there's abs, airbags, transmission as well. And this is just the minimum in any car.
The benefit of a diesel - turn on, wait for glow plugs, delay complete :)
I have never owned a 4x4 that didn't have a harmonic at a certain speed. Softer mounts would cure it, but is not a option because then the things will fail or wear out prematurely. And the transmissions logic sometimes run gearing too high too increase economy.
That's a fair attitude to have, expect some failure and experience same.
Really professional & clear delivery. Fuel consumption sounds a bit heavy but it's a big & heavy vehicle so no great surprise.
thx. i believe you can get down to 10l (or below) if you drive slower and less often enjoy the tourque 🤣
10k - good job, see you in 500k + from T.Landcruiser
hopefully 😅
@@grenadier_exploring they do look the goods 👍
Did you get your Land Cruiser to 500K before they pulled it from the market? Not much use from your 'testing' it that way if your test results are for a car no longer for sale! 😅
Its the footwell issue on right hand drive that worries me the most I think... Would like to see some pictures of the underside of the firewall/footwell area and see if a custom exhaust would free up some space to give the footwell some more space.
It's completely unusable in R/H config.
@@inter-linked There has to be a fix for that… Even if it means a custom made exhaust manifold and cutting out the foot rear and remaking the floor panel.
I noted in my auto kia carnival whilst driving 300km on weekend that my comfortable place for foot is flat on floor back from rest, my knee is high here with the high seats in the kia(similar position).
My right leg is resting against the door trim and a.lot lower down. I thought about it on the drive because it seems like the most major issue discussed online. I find this comfortable due to a badly aching left hip and knee, which started my quest to look for an auto 4 by 4.
I have found I need to remember not to move left foot and push clutch in whilst driving this one and my wife's hyundai as the sudden stop when you "clutch" the wide brake pedal in a brain fart is startling. I do spend all the rest of my driving in manual vehicles.🤔
It is absolutely not an issue at all - nobody on the Ineos Owner's Forum has had a major issue with the footrest in RHD. I am 6'2" and I haven't noticed it at all. It was completely overblown by the initial press reviews.
Please use your special relationship with Ineos to inform them of all the issues you have experienced to get them to fix the problems ASAP!
Don't you think Ineos won't be watching every video he produces?
@@watda011 I hope so! But the personal touch goes a long way.
actually i´ve been asked for feedback by the CEO and I am still providing it. they wanna know about the issues!!
@@grenadier_exploring while talking to the CEO can you please tell them that after two year the customer service line is still the worst in the industry. It takes 4 to 6 weeks to get a reply to the most basic question and that's if they bother at all to respond. They need to have people answering the calls that can fix the issue on the spot.
good point! will be in contact with Ineos guys this week.
On steady motorway driving I’m getting c 25 to 26mpg so you may be using us gallons. Over 80mph, it does drop off noticeably but you can’t fault that. It’s a good fast road cruiser and 40mph to 60mpg, it’s not a slouch on acceleration. Very pleasing for a 2800kg brick.
He quoted litres per 100kl.still hard on fuel. Good to hear a honest review.
if you reduce the speed, you get a proper mileage! but as i said: i have troubles holding back 🤪
I have the same problems with the display lights in my listen closely now my 2009 Honda civic what can Isay other than HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Happy Trails
Great video and detail. I've been debating whether or not to include the safari windows. Would love to hear your thoughts...How is the cabin noise when they are closed and on the motorway?
when they are closed you can't hear anything from the windows. I would say the noise level is the same as without them. they are also surprisingly silent when opened. we really use them a lot.
I haven't checked the noise when fully removed yet....i´ll do it right away.....
@@grenadier_exploring Good info!. Thank you! Looking forward to your next video.
when fully removed, the noise is like an open window but at highe speeds (70+) the wind is coming down quite strong! that's more for offroad and safari i guess 😉.
i will check again once my custom-roof rack is insralled
@@grenadier_exploring Wow! Thank you. Very helpful information.
Just make sure you park facing downhill in the rain if you have roof windows or have a shower inside .
Pretty decent fir a gen 1 car. Investing in that Mercedes factory definitely saved their hides QC wise. If they revise the issues well, car’s got a good future.
i think they did a good job so far. there is plenty of room for improvement but they are working on it. hope they succeed....
I am about to place my order but I am hesitating between the upgraded sound system or the aux battery as you can’t have both. If I do want both, What do think will be easiest to upgrade after buying the vehicle, the radio or a second battery setup?
that is a very good question!! are u getting a solar panel as well?
Hallo. Es gibt Videos, in welchen die Kabel, welche am unterboden herum hängen, bemängelt werden. Könnten durch Äste abgerissen werden. Was ist deine Meinung dazu - Erfahrungen? Wird das Ineos besser hinbekommen - Änderungen bzw. Verbesserungen? Wäre gut, wenn das verbessert werden würde, um Schäden bei Fahrten im Wald zu verhindern. Was meinst du dazu?
Ja, das hab ich gehört und es sieht teilweise so aus als ob da Potenzial für Schäden besteht. Mein Unterboden ist schon recht mitgenommen aber die Verkabelungen haben noch nichts abbekommen. Bei meinem nächsten Treffen mit Ineos in knapp drei Wochen werde ich das Thema ansprechen und mal schauen was sie sagen.
@@grenadier_exploring danke. Vielleicht kannst du ein Video machen, wie ineos reagiert hat und was sie machen.
What country are you from and can you help me get this version if the ineos?
Hi. I am from Austria.
You can configure your car online or contact a dealer close to you. A list is available on the Ineos Grenadier Homepage.
mine is a Trialmaster Edition, Diesel Engine with a Winch and Heated Seats as option.
Thanks for all your very good and informative short videos. A week ago I was able to "climb" into a demo IG, and I mean "Climb" into it. It had NO side steps and NO grab handle on the driver's side. What a pain to just get in. I see that you have a Rockslider on yours, is this usable as a side step to get in or not?? I think for the price of this good looking 4wd these two things to get in are essentials plus the speedo meter in the middle a must.
the rocksliders don't help to get in (showing that in my video On-Road Performance, Vision, Steering). the sidesteps make it easy to get in and i´ve already seen some aftermarket solutions to mount a step on the sliders....
Is the front bar winch ready, or this there so sort of brackets you need to add a winch?
I'd piss off that USA "bumper bar" and fit a proper bull bar. However, Ineos offers a winch as a factory option, so there must be a cradle of some sort behind the bumper for it.
i have winch. it's behind the license plate. i posted a different video about it.
i would love to have a bull bar but it's not allowed in Austria 🤷🏼♂️
It's a rich enthusiast rig. They should also bring in a very basic model stripped of everything that can taken off except safety features. Let the owners decide the mods they wanna do. This will give third party to explore the mods market. Also stripped down version will be cheaper.
there is a 2-seater (or 5-seater) utility version available. very basic, no extras and you can add what you need....or use aftermarket mods for your perfect setup.
Sounds like a good vehicle over all, seems like the Toyota 4Runner is close in size and doesn't have unknow problems to consider.
Yes, I think this Grenadier is mainly for old Defender aficionados. As a Toyota Land Cruiser owner, with its proven pedigree & track record for capability & durability, I’m left wondering how good of a late model, low mileage, high spec Land Cruiser I could buy for the price of a new Grenadier. And given the way Land Cruisers hold their value, I can’t help thinking a 2 year old LC & a new Grenadier would probably reach parity in resale value after 3 years or so. But I guess there is a section of the market for the angular, rugged, functional old Defender look, which Ineos were smart to grab when Land Rover abandoned it.
I just find it mind boggling that they didn't do mechanical dials for the basics like speedo and rpm...
i got cars with HUDs since years and am used to numbers only. but not everyone likes it - agree!! i guess a display is easier to use for LHS and RHS driver positions....
Hi, wie zufrieden bist du mit den Fahrgeräuschen auf der Autobahn? Ist der Grenny 130km/h tauglich und für eine längere Reise geeignet? Danke :)
absolut zufrieden. lange fahrten sind kein problem und 130 geht auch. mehr aber eher nicht…
es ist kein X5 aber er ist besser als ich erwartet hab
@@grenadier_exploring . . . lieben Dank, haben den Benziner, öfter Autobahn und somit bei 120-130 ziemlich laut und seeehr durstig mit 16.5 - 18.5 Litern. Trotzdem: Geiles Auto, überlegen aber, noch einen Diesel nachzulegen :-)
ich komm im schnitt auf 12-13l inkl autobahn.
hatte unlängst einen tag mit 430km autobahn (tempo 130) und dann 5h offroadfahren im mittel bis schwerem gelände. am ende des tages 15,1l auf 100km
Fuel consumption is not bad based on the real readings shown in this video. I expected it to be worse. You can get the same range with other manufacturers
i think they are ok. especially because i am not focusing on saving fuel!
I am waiting for the software-update…. while my brand new Grenadier is sleeping in the dealers yard. Since 4 weeks. 😝 it‘s a #hardwayhome
it is for all of us 🤪
As the tachometer is only on the display, it could be that you will never be (legally) allowed to fill the whole screen with the rear-view camera. Could imagine that this is a legal thing, but yes it could still be made bigger.
u might be right there!!! but you could get a few cm’s out at the edges without hiding the tachometer.
Hi, Ich habe viele deiner Videos gesehen, aber nirgendwo habe ich gesehen oder gelesen was LoKi bedeutet ;-) Ich hatte mal einen Freund, Lahu (langer Hund, weil er so gross war) . Ist Loki was ähnliches?
LaHu find ich gut 😝. Loki ist der Bruder von Thor in der nordischen Mythologie. Da unser Hund Thor heisst, war Loki naheliegend 😉
Could you show/tell soething about rust protection? Any wax or special protection in a frame and undercarriage? This is very expensive car I hope they did full protection that this caill survive at least 20 years without rust :)
the frame and body are galvanised and KTL-dipped, powder coated and get a protection layer as standard. I have added a two-layer-wax protection with my dealer....just to be sure.
Ineos gives you a 12-year rust warranty...they seem to be confident there...
@@grenadier_exploring awesome ! thx
To be honest, the part of highway you showed, has so many short tunnels on a not that long stretch of road that i tend to leave my headlights on the whole time, no matter the car i am driving and no matter if it has a light sensor or not.
My habit stems from xenon light times, because switching them on and off allegedly reduces the lifetime of xenon burners even more than being constantly on.
(Der Autobahnabschnitt ist nicht weit von meinem Zuhause, daher kenn ich das. Edit: hab mir jetzt die anderen Videos angeschaut, und jetzt is mir auch klar wie es der Packabschnitt ins Video geschafft hat. Frage: warum eigentlich das deutsche Kennzeichen?)
i also tend to use the lights in "manual" mode and not in automatic.
(als ich den Wagen bekam, gab es noch kein Ineos Österreich und somit konnte ich das Auto nicht hier zulassen. da ich aber einer der Gewinner vom HardWayHome bin, hat Ineos das Auto auf die Firma angemeldet. Das wird aber bald geändert 😉)
@@grenadier_exploring Ah, deshalb.
Danke fürs Antworten
Are these imperial or US mpg? 17mpg could be pretty bad if it's 20% less for US
that is USG!
He quoted the consumption in Litres/100km, which is absolutely definitive. It's doesn't take much effort to convert and answer your own question.
Turning radius looks huge…. This might suit a farmer in Scotland but when navigating tight trails that won’t cut it.
Not for that size of vehicle. It's big.
it's the turning circle of course! used the wrong expression
@@einfelder8262 the turning circle is 8ft wider than my bronco, and they’re the same size.
Hi Guys, I must agree that the fuel consumption is a joke for a 2023 vehicle. I was considering a Grenadier as a replacement for my 1991 GE 300 with a straight six petrol engine. But, I have no electronic issues whatsoever, the car is narrower, thus better suited for today's traffic, and I consume between 12-14 l/100km max not exceeding 130 on motorways and little city traffic (there are better suited vehicles for city traffic in Italy...). Hence, why swap? My G has 200.000 on the clock and purrs like a bee, weighs less and is cheaper to run...
No Ineos for me, thank you very much...
Thanks for the 10k test drive results :)
Thanks for the review. These heavy utility vehicles should not be driven above 100 km/h due to the fuel consumption. I'm sure, the EU commission is eager to kill good cars ASAP and promote the EV hype. And I mean kill like to scrap them.
20mpg? Ugh, hoped for 25-26 at least. Will have to drive like Ms Daisy 😂
@@chad6080 phew! Sound, Chad 👍
He actually quoted in L/100km! It is simple to convert and answer your own question
Picking up on two of the metrics from the comments… The Grenadier turning CIRCLE is 13.5m. The Land Rover Defender was 12.8m. The Grenadier fuel tank capacity is 90L, same as the Defender. The Land Cruiser 300 has a turning circle of 11.8m and a fuel tank capacity (Aus spec) of 110L, with several easy aftermarket tank conversion options available to take this to ~170L. The Land Cruiser is also serviceable ANYWHERE in the entire world, which is absolutely NOT the case with either the Grenadier or the Defender.
I would love the Grenadier to succeed, but it won’t. Ineos simply won’t be able to create the support network for these vehicles that can look after them in the parts of the world where their vehicles’ engineering is most applicable. Toyota own that niche, period.
So what you’re saying is that regardless if the quality of the vehicle eventually provides that it dominates the market in out of the box build quality and reliability with minimal quirks that are an easy production adjustment while providing a reasonably high level of comfort while driving both on and off road that there are not enough people in world markets to support this development strategy? Or is the point of your prediction that you believe it’s reliability will not be as robust as planned for the environments it was developed to tackle appropriately and this will leave folks not able to expediently repair the vehicles in the field? That is not any sort of smart ass remark, it’s more of an understanding of why you believe the whole “build it NOT to break” intention will not provide enough resale of new vehicles in a marketplace loaded with planned obsolescence. Know what I mean?? Ineos knew the service network build up would take time. So the intention was to dramatically over build these vehicles to withstand some serious environments and if you get stuck, use the overbuilt winch to keep going. It definitely will be interesting to see what comes, but I tend to be on the other side of the opinion and believe that the attraction of how incredibly robust this vehicle seems to be will attract well enough private and industry market sales based on what is planned in this and other model options to support a successful run. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
@@Far2hip In many ways I wish I could buy into what you’re saying because as I said earlier I would like this vehicle to succeed. I’m in the remote area industrial & overland travel business (Africa, Aus, Asia) and for 40+ years I’ve lived and breathed robust 4WDs as a daily survival necessity, starting with Land Cruiser 70 and 80 series. Have driven them all in very harsh conditions with Toyota & Nissan dominating by a factor of probably 50:1. The occasional Land Rover encounter has been a consistently appalling experience since I started out in the 80s. Have had some horror story rescues of the occupants of those shitboxes in life-threatening situations. The simple fact is that the Grenadier - for all its (potential) engineering excellence - is the 100% unproven and 100% a turn off to anyone experienced in getting from A to B when A and B are on opposite ends of a continent, or where a small fleet needs to be maintained in a remote off-grid location. The 70 series LC is in a class of its own when it comes to that kind of situation. You could walk into a shack in N Ethiopia and be 100% confident the wheel bearing you need will be in stock…. Simply put there is no vehicle on the planet that will not break in exceptional circumstances, and when something does go wrong you need firstly the engineering to make the repair as simple as possible, and second you need to be able to source the parts. I don’t see that being a reality for the Grenadier in Birdsville or Adigrat or Barrancas any time soon.
@@English_Speaking_Fox Green oval could NEVER compete with Toyota or Nissan - WHY these newcomers think they can do better than a world famous brand is mind-boggling. This thing was aimed at mugs. Reminds me of the Mini-Moke and the Talbot Matra Rancho!!
@@English_Speaking_Fox Not everyone is going on expeditions across Asia, and you cannot buy the Land Cruiser 70 series or even the new 300 series in North America or Europe. They are being phased out, and I anticipate this will happen in the "underdeveloped world" in time as well. If I was to travel from the UK to lets say Finland, I imagine the Ineos Grenadier would be a better option than a 70 series LC, which I am relatively confident is not for sale anywhere in Western Europe.
@@AA-vr8ez There is zero chance of the internal combustion engine being phased out in the underdeveloped world anytime in the next several decades at least. Travel to cities like Karachi or Delhi or Jakarta and see for yourself just how reliant the entire Asian metropolitan economy is on dirty little motorbikes. 99.9% of the people that ride these bikes struggle to make ends meet on a daily basis let alone save for an expensive electric alternative that they could not possibly charge anyway. Not that they give a shit about climate change…. that daily survival imperative will forever get in the way of worrying about the future. Worrying about climate change is a first world middle-class psychological illness brought on by believing politicians and celebrities.
It is VERY interesting what you say about travelling to Finland. In 1997 me and my then girlfriend now wife drove from Sussex to Kirkenes in far northern Norway, via Holland, Denmark and Sweden. From there we continued down through Finland and back to the UK via the Baltic states, Poland, Germany and back into Holland. It was quite adventurous at the time but in reality, not particularly arduous. We did that trip in a 1993 Subaru Impreza 1.8L station wagon that had some modest suspension upgrades, a roofrack and a decent set of all-terrain tyres. If you are considering it necessary to buy an Ineos Grenadier to do that trip then may I politely suggest you are over thinking the problem!
MPG - there is a difference between UK and USA ? Which one you talking about?
US
He quoted in L/100km! If you are smart enough you can work it out for yourself.
`Any issues with drift/non-precise steering while on the roadway? Any issues with wipers not doing their job when rainy on highway? Thx!
you get used to the steering after a few miles...i don't feel it anymore. i added a little segment of motorway in my video "on-road performance, vision, steering".
there is a segment in the corner which is not perfectly cleared but it does not restrict the vision to the front.
in my video about the Infotainment system, I added a little clip about the wiper operation at the end (marked as a separate chapter).
@@grenadier_exploring Thanks very much!
@@grenadier_exploring Has anyone in the Grenadier community tried adjusting wheel alignment? Is it even possible?
First of all it might be a good idea to check the alignment from the factory? Maybe the aerodynamics and drivetrain might even change the car's attitude on the highway and thus affect alignment? Typically vehicles have their wheel angles change as they move along their suspension travel, though I'm not sure about the Grenadier's suspension and steering setup.
Any slight bit of toe-out will make the vehicle far more unstable and track less straight. Such a car will surely have a default setting of the tires being as straight as possible, so any toe-out should be avoided. But then it's a personal preference if you want to dial in a slight bit of toe-in like sports car have: toe-in will make the car track more straight even with an uneven surface and will be more stable.
All the other angles would be good to check too. Positive caster, if it's adjustable, will increase stability.
Note that I'm not 100% sure if this applies with beam axle cars like the Grenadier...I'm not even sure if you can adjust the alignment in any way? This may be a completely irrelevant point with beam axles, I'm only familiar with independent suspension myself.
not that I am aware of. I've seen a company fitting portal axles already. so they must have dealt with that topic....
lennartz-technik.de/en/homepage
Wow you mashed up that grenadier already lol
🤪🤷🏻♂️
how are you getting worse milage on a motorway?
with the higher speeds (130-140km/h) the drag is causing the high fuel consumption. if you keep the speed around 100/110 then it will go down significantly...as I demonstrated on the normal roads.
What is lowkey?
Loki is the name of the car 😎😉
@@grenadier_exploring oh, the car has a name😅
@@The_Daliban yes 🤣🤷🏻♂️
can you put 35's without mods?
the largest i´ve seen is 33´s without mod. there was a prototype around on 35´s but they adjusted the wheel arches on that one....
@@grenadier_exploring no biggie then
@@grenadier_exploring thx
Grüße aus Böblingen ;)
danke ;-)...retour
Würdest du wieder zum Diesel greifen ? Oder lieber der Benziner?
mir gefällt der Diesel sehr gut und ich würde ihn wieder nehmen. der Klang ist unglaublich und das etwas höhere Drehmoment war am Ende das Ausschlaggebende...
sound is from tires...
Replace those crappy plastic handles with wood ones and you'll absolutely love them.
planning something like that! 👍🏻
When’s your next video?
was very busy lately. two are coming out very soon. one about the pathfinder system and one with some genera hints and tipps
and the one about my modifications (roof rack, drawer system) is slightly delayed...but i am working on it 🤞🏻
@@grenadier_exploring thank you! Looking forward to them
I'm guessing you mean turning circle and not turning radius.
correct...my fault
Well, it gets better MPG's than my Land Cruiser.
Turning radius or turning diameter? 14m radius is terrible - that means a 28m wide turning circle.
of course it's the circle 🙈
Still miles cheaper than a Gellunde Wagen; miles and miles.
How come the motorway consumption is more than in town consumption ?
because of the high speed (130km/h) and the car is not really aerodynamic 😜
@@grenadier_exploring Got it. Looks like you've had a bit of a heavy right foot😅
i am afraid so 🙈🤣
10,000 km review on an $80,000 Cdn vehicle SHOULD be perfect,
Your dreaming, even one million dollar vehicles have problems. With thousands of components that could go wrong and only a few software issue the car performed fantastic for a brand new vehicle
Teslas are defective at 0km.
Defender has hugely better ride quality I hear
i assume you refer to the new defender? of course that one has a better ride quality! it's a different concept and features air suspension - has to be better in that regard. a friend of mine has it and it's a great ride on-road....
Yikes that rear view camera looks like it's from 1998.
very old school 🙈
People here in the comments keep writing how their vehicles from 1998 are so much better, so do you mean you find the Grenadier's rear view camera to be good?
In the states cant see getting this iver a wrangler, bronco or gladator.
tough competition...especially at this price...
Jeeeeez only 20mpg thats terrible. My Hilux was giving me 40mpg before I fitted AT tyres
Fueal consumtion is very dissapointing for sure. Hard to understand when TLC200 manages 12.5 l / 100 on 33” tires and stock Hilux does the same job at 10l / 100
Rubbish - the TLC200 will never return that mileage at 130kph. Did you ignore the bit where he posted 10.7l/100 for this vehicle, 600kg heavier than your poxlux? Fuel consumption is fine for this 2700kg brick.
HiLux is 2wd on tarmac makes a big difference
@@einfelder8262 I was referring to speeds around 100 kph. My TLC200 is 2,940 kg unladen and with an empty long-range fuel tank, at 130kph, it indeed consumes around 14.5 l/100. When towing a trailer with a race car, around 2 tonnes combined, I am getting around 17 l/100. Considering Ineos as a replacement, as my only issue with an old TLC200 is fuel consumption. Ineos does not seem to be a solution. Hilux is breathless with that 3.0 diesel engine, so sticking to TLC200 :-) then.
@@dmitrijusapockinas16 You conveniently left out information that hurts your argument - childish. You should learn to compare apples with apples. Hilux is a really stupid diversionary inclusion, you could equally have said an Echo does 6l/100, that would have been just as irrelevant. My gripe with the Ineos is the small fuel tank that reportedly leaves no room for an aftermarket long range tank. Otherwise, for it's intended off-road market, it's better than LC200 which is no longer available anyhow.
@@einfelder8262 I am not sure which information I left out :-). I would happily compare apples to apples if car manufacturers made enough apples :-). Unfortunately, there are few choices, and Hilux (at least for me personally, for my use cases) is a legitimate option bar engine's performance. Not expecting the same comfort as TLC200, obviously. I used to own a couple of Hiluxes back in the day with very sluggish engines, so I know exactly what they are like. I am trying to like Ineos keeping in mind the price tag, but I can't. They made it 500kg heavier than I was expecting, ancient steering scheme, wheel travel almost non-existent, and you mentioned it has no place for the long-range fuel tank, too bad, and they missed to deliver a price tag of around 50k euros which was promoted. Excellent engines and gearbox package does not outweigh the other issues. We'll get my hands on one to test drive it for the day to assess how bad is the steering, weight and fuel consumption until then all of these are theories :-) obviously.
SLAMS the door repetedly and talks about how well built it is.
Every idiot knows it is well built.
Let's see if these can go to a minimum 500.000km which is what Land Cruisers can do.
I seriously have my doubts on the Grenadiers durability. Its BMW engines will be its biggest weak point. The B58 might be "good" for a BMW engine but these engines are still quiet new and not many have done high KM's yet.
Toyotas are very reliable but I still have hope: got a friend with a 3liter Diesel 5series BMW with 750.000km on the clock.....hope mine does that as well.
Toyota for petrol and BMW for diesel.
2.7 tons empty is heavy and not much payload left. My 1997 Defender does around 28mpg, up to 38 on a flat run and weighs 2.1 tons empty with a 1.4 tons payload. No fun on motorways but I hardly ever use one.
i wish i could avoid motorways. i just added the figure to get an overall picture of the fuel consumption. may i ask at which speed you get those nice MPGs?
Grenadier missed all the targets that matter to me,German engine,French built enough to put me off.I will continue to rebuild my landrovers and drive and enjoy the real thing.My 71 year old series 1 has a carbon footprint that is almost impossible to better and still performs as it should.
the series 1 is a great car!!! wish I had one...
But I also like BMW engines 😉
In five years my Land Rover Defender 110 will be worth more. Parts will still be cheap and fuel consumption will be high 30's?
if u already own one, you are lucky. i always wanted to have an old defender as well 👍🏻
Then the Grenadier will make even more sense to buy...
High consumption, for those small narrow tires. If you put 33ers you are already above 16 liters ...😮 Without anything on your roof and not fully loaded .
if you keep the speed below 100/110km/h the consumption goes down rapidly. If you drive it with fuel saving in mind you should get it down to 10 litres without any issues (on the standard 32x10.5R17 tires).
installing my roof rack and roof top tent this week...will report back on the fuel consumption then....
@@grenadier_exploring You never get below 10 litres, empty it already has more than 10 litres. It is therefore very heavy of its own.
@@grenadier_exploring and why world i drive so slow with that car ?
i got it to 10,4 liters without trying hard. so it should be possible. but I am not a "fuel saving-guy". i will end up around 12l...
I wouldn't. but some people do...🤷🏻♂️
20mpg is shameful, that must greatly limit it's potential range. I can see how it's shape and weight would have an impact but it should be able to do at least 30 - 40mpg, it is a diesel after all.
My Auto TD5 Disco did 22 Mpg on average, you are never going to get 40 out of anything like this 🤣
22MPG in 2023. Tragic.
He says he drives it hard. I get 26mpg. Best I have seen was 28mpg.
this car in spain is above 100k euros..... way too much for what it offers as a car you should use daily for everything
certainly not cheap. we have the same issue in austria but the high price is caused by ridiculous taxes!!! the base price of the car is absolutely fair in my opinion!!
im just gonna wait for the toyota lineup to be available, i just don´t see the point in paying 100k in euros for a rough car, that is the same cost of a fancy defender for example, to me the idea of this car puts it in a very different price range. @@grenadier_exploring
I agree. the original plan was to offer the car at a lower price but they couldn't hold it there...unfortunately.