as a note, Slinger is launching the new version in about 3 months. The new version comes with 2 rollers so now it gives dropshots, back spin, flat and the famous top spin
haha the famous topspin. I wonder if it's even possible to get that much topspin with 2 rollers. There's a magic to just 1 but it is excessive. Interesting, I imagine it'll cost a fair bit more.
The Titan looks like an amazing machine. My one criticism at the moment is their choice to use a zipper enclosure at the top. For a quality piece of kit that that, I'd rather see a more sturdy and longevic closure system like some locking clips or?
Hmmm, might be a little rattly. And slightly more bulky. I kinda see what you mean but it doesn't bother me. I think it has a high quality mold and zipper Also keep it mind how affordable it is for what it offers. Ball machines half this capable used to cost several times more and were much larger and not battery powered. Just because it's more expensive doesn't mean every detail will be extra premium.
I feel you. It's one of those thing where the decision is obvious if budget is or isn't the deciding factor, right? If budget, Slinger, obviously. If no concerns about that or feel the price is super justified and worth it, it's obviously the Titan.
Wow... I was thinking of picking up a Slinger Bag at some point, but the Titan One is just SO much more versatile in every way. I ran into someone on an outdoor court recently using the Slinger, and chatted him up a bit; mentioning I was interested in picking one up... He was somewhat happy with it, but his biggest complaint was "the battery life." (Even with the extended battery/charger) How is the Titan One in comparison? Lastly... Where do you reside to be able to play outdoors this late in the season? I recall you making a "TennCom" reference in one of your latest videos, so my guess is Vancouver? I'm from Toronto, and the weather has been pretty decent here for Winter to hit outdoors... Problem is we don't have an abundance of "decent" public court to hit on (asphalt) none being regular club hard courts, and the one's that are shabby hard courts are VERY hard to get time on cause they're ridiculously busy with the locals that play on them daily and they spam the courts hard. Thanks, Time410s 👊
titan must be better. I can get good hours out of the Slinger but, keep in mind, I only use it on the same side as me which means much slower speeds. From further distances, it uses battery much more quickly. I generally use the Titan at high speeds from far away and it seems to last quite a bit longer than the Slinger would from the same distance. TennCom is just a homie. A fellow tennis persona that likes my content and I like his. We chat sometimes and have plans for some collaborations in the future but I am in California.
The Titan One seems amazing! I truly think if you can swing it this is worth the investment. Especially if youre taking tennis seriously. Everything you say about the Slinger is correct and since I was able to demo it i was kind of reluctant to buy one.
Thank you! I think that is right. I think either is good to have if you have nothing and will actually use it in productive ways, which you can totally do with either but the limits are much sooner felt with the Slinger.
You are selling Titan and making a profit. That's why you're so critical of the Slinger Bag. Bottom line: it's not a real comparison if you're totally biased. Have you mentioned that Titan is at least 2x more expensive?
I think I clearly mentioned the price difference. Was the not clear? I'm actually pro both machine. Obviously one machine is way better but the other is much more affordable and maybe plenty useful as it is for many people. I might have an incentive for one machine but you're assuming that creates a bias. It should be obvious to anybody which machine is better. Which machine makes more sense for the individual is a personal choice and nothing about my video would indicate that I feel otherwise. You should get the one which makes more sense for you. Period.
@@ZeroLoveTennis No you didn't mention that the Slinger Bag is $640 including the oscillator (which you didn't even show/demo) vs $2,300 for the Titan.
As a previous slinger owner for over a year and current owner of spinfire v2, this is the first ball machine. I have come across that can give you a drill with variable spin. For example, for messing around on their App Store, you can set a forehand top spin to the deuce cord then a backhand slice out wide, then come into the net to put away the ball. This is very intriguing for someone that’s been looking for a machine that could simulate a lot more more variety from an opponent rather than just being fed the same type of ball speed and spin. The biggest downside to the slinger bag is manual adjustment and unrealistic top spin from the ball machine, it warped the ball the faster you have the speed set. The oscillator is useless as you can see where the machine will send the ball from due to external oscillator. The spinefire is a much better machine but I definitely cannot say paying over 2k versus $700 for slinger makes the spinefire 3X better. I’ll have to sell my machine if I seriously decide to buy the titan.
What is the spinfire? I'll look into it a bit. I think the price is justified but that doesn't mean I think it is affordable for everyone or that it means 3x better. But it is definitely many times more capable.
@@ZeroLoveTennis the spin fire, you can adjust feed rate, speed, spin, and trajectory, but then the setting remains in place unless you stop to adjust again whereas the titan seems it can adjust with each subsequent shot if so desired. Also, on the pinfire, you can choose linear feed, narrow feed, medium, and wide feed. You can also choose random horizontal and random vertical feeds, but the vertical feeds are not that useful as the machine doesn’t truly vary the depth due to the settings you place the machine under. For example, if you set to a high speed rate with heavy top spin, the machine will actually end up sending the ball deep, the court dimensions, not helpful for drills. I normally just set the machine on feed, sometimes medium feed, and if working on conditioning wide feed. Sometimes I’ll incorporate random horizontal feeds but random vertical feeds. If I wanna work on overhead, I have to manually change the settings, it’s easier write down what you want. Otherwise it becomes cumbersome. I’m having to manually figure it out.
Great video & review!!! Thank u!!! Love the features and capabilities of the Titan & while I’m interested in it as a supplemental training tool between tournaments, I just can’t bring myself to pay what they want for it n today’s economic climate. That being said I’m looking forward to any future videos u produce related to this particular machine.
I totally understand. It's really good for improving shot quality, among other things. But there's more to tennis than just that but for these details of your tennis it is genuinely really helpful as long as you, yourself, can guide your improvement but even then, repetition helps a lot!
Beside these 2 machines I’m checking out the other ball machine PROTON, because it is compact and lightweight. I haven’t seen many reviews about it. Can you give me your opinion for it please? Thanks
i have a proton and love it. its not all in 1 but its light enough to carry over the shoulder. I use a hopper for ball pick up anyways so not a big deal for me to carry both. it has a great app and works with apple watch.
Nice mini-demo. Finding partners is always a challenge for me, so I’d love to be able to get a unit like this (though unlikely). Qs for the future…def battery type and life. Also, is the pairing with the phone is by wifi? Reliability of that would be good to report over time. Nice to have the power of the app control, but might be a downside for folks who want to film their hitting session? If so, Would be interesting to have a secondary (simple) remote option.
Life like hrs of usability per charge? Type, it's similar to a drill where it swaps on the outside. I could and should include that. I'll have a second video but maybe more focused on the titan itself. A basic remote should be coming soon!
Would be a real plus if some of these units used a battery type that were compatable with a major power tool maker like Makita, Ryobi, or ? Then, spares could be sourced easily anywhere.
I think it is. It's the same magazine style loaded battery. The design is the same but I can't confirm it is the same as what would be really universal. The battery link is on the website though! I'd link but currently am on the worst internet of all time at some random starbucks.
Thank you for your review! I am considering to purchase the Titan One machine. I am hesitating between the Titan and the Spinshot Player machine. Which one would you favor? They seem to have similar features and price point..
Titan One is interesting! I have the slinger as my practice partner during the summer but love the fact that you can use a phone app for the titan one to randomly feed you balls.
The random feature is very cool. I'll do a deeper dive on it because you can set it to do random things within a certain window as opposed to totally random as well. Like random height but same placement will adjust the speed as needed to hit that spot but with different ball heights. Random location will be as it sounds but you can set the intensity and height to be fixed and it will adjust accordingly to stay in. Very nice.
Came across this video while researching ball machines. I am trying to sort out which unit is the best value ball machine under $1000. Lots to choose from: Nisplay N1 Tennis Ball Machine $899. Tennis Tutor Tennis Cube w/ Oscillation $909. Tennis Tutor ProLite w/ Battery - Oscillation $949. Slinger Bag Tennis Ball Machine $649. Sports Tutor eCannon Tennis Ball Machine $649. Lobster Sports Elite Liberty $1179 and now there is a new very lightweight and portable Nisplay Model L1 coming out for around $350. (there are videos online promoting the unit now). Have you heard any buzz about the Nisplay Model L1? What do you feel is the best value ball machine under $1000. right now?
@@ZeroLoveTennis it appears that there are number of people who reviewed it now on UA-cam. That said it also appears some of these are sponsored by the manufacturer. They are crowd-funding this new machine so it doesn’t appear they’re readily available in stores. Maybe they would like you to test it?
Yeah the fact it's not actually available for purchase yet deters my interest. Everything is based on a non production model of the machine so who knows how the end product quality will actually perform or if the product will actually be manufactured for sale. I can't say. But it's partly why I haven't thought too much of it but it does look very competitive for the price it is offered at. 50 balls? Not bad but it's quite cheap. Could definitely be desirable over the Slinger Bag and if budget is the main concern then it would beat many. Portability also attractive. I can't really say more.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Given that then, of the existing ball machines on the market - many of those I researched are noted above in my original post - which one would you pick in the under $1000. range?
Very possibly the nisplay N1. Have you also come across this? amzn.to/4ffRYha If you can get something that feeds balls with spin variety then you can get realistic ball feeds. Single motor options might all have a ridiculous bounce and spin. Oscillating isn't that helpful or useful unless it's synced to the feed. I hope that narrows some options down for ya! And having a remote is very nice. Maybe they all include one though but I'd be sure.
Could you lift this beast up some stairs without damaging your back? I live only 250 meters away from my tennis court, which is a big pro. But I can only store the machine in my basement, which means I would have to carry it up and down 20 stair steps every time I use it. Would that be a deal breaker for you? Apart from that concern I really like what I see in your video!
Hmmm I wouldn't want to. You could but it would be a haul. If you can pull it up like a bag of luggage then less hassle but I wonder if it can handle that. Idk that's a tough call. I store in my garage and haul it ten feet to my car. Stairs would be sketchy and tiring but impressive haha. You could do it if you're fairly strong and well balanced but what a drag 😅
Agree! Something is better than nothing especially when you can't find anybody to play with. Frand has some nice spin 🎾. I've had Olipop, it's like a soda substitute!
@@marcusrobinson-Live4Love I get those at Sprouts but I believe I've bought at Target. I made sure to get Olipop & Mid-day peanut butter protein squares 😋 there.
Awesome! Curious, did you get the balls/hopper as well or just the machine? I'm not sure that there is but there could/should be something like you ask. I can start a little something here. I have meant to. It's an awesome feature that even I do not utilize enough but I promise to make some content about it and release some drills soon :)
@@ZeroLoveTennis awesome! I ordered the Titan one machine with balls and the remote as well. It’s on back order so I should hopefully get it in a few weeks. I definitely am excited to try it out and all the drill features. I played tennis all through school, but tennis ball machines and drills on my own are definitely a learning curve. Having virtual drills or something that I could tune into and just scan into my machine and practice would be top-notch! I’m no tennis coach, but if I was, I would definitely be creating some type of subscription platform for drills on this machine. Maybe something for you to look into. LIKED & SUBSCRIBED - I’ll be looking for more Titan content!
Hmm you need to download the app from the titanballmachine website still, most likely. How's this link? titanballmachines.com/pages/titan-drills-app-download
Idk if I'll ever get that machine, unfortunately. It's unlikely to happen. To get a huge thing like that and both on the court with enough time to review either. It seems like a good machine but I would still give the Titan an edge, it's design is more modern and I think portable but it depends on how you value the way it carries balls. Otherwise, it's a little hard to say. Not sure the spinfire pro 2 is as capable of variety as the Titan but it seems better than some for sure.
Pinned a comment on this video with links for both. I'd rather you have that since prices are always subject to change so whatever info I give you now could change. Can you see it?
I might say the Titan seems a little more premium. You can carry the balls inside it as well and it is a bit more heavy duty. Might seem silly but the proton will rise its entire self at an angle to high higher balls and if the machine is more full, balls will spill out haha. But maybe it is still very competitive at the pricepoint.
@@ZeroLoveTennis True, it's a catch 22 when it comes to the weight of the ball machine and the total amount it can carry. I love how to the Titan carries everything. Not a fan how much it weighs after the fact lol. I feel like I'd need a ramp to load it onto and off of my car.
I can load it into my car but it is effortful. All the balls and machine together it is decently heavy. With the proton i would feel partially like the portability is defeated by me needing a secondary way to carry the balls.
@@ZeroLoveTennis There's a version which has a detachable loading bin so you can separate the balls from the machine which should make it much easier for car loading. Any reason why didn't you consider that version?
2 reasons. 1. it didn't exist at the time I got this machine or made the video (I believe) 2. While it might technically make it more portable and or easier, I'd rather have all the balls already in the machine. It would mean needing a second thing to carry the balls in and then I'd have to load it into the machine and unload it again into whatever carries them. Ultimately ends up being more things and in my case, this machine fits in my car just fine. 3. I'll have that machine soon anyway 😅 and I'll make that point. For some, they will prefer it. For me, not as much.
I like my Slinger, and the company is quite responsive. The lack of charging control is an issue (you can't just come back home plug it and forget it for a week). And yes the top-spin is ridiculous. I had my coach test it, an active D1 player, and he concurs. It makes you work harder. Still, Slinger is a lot of bang for the buck.
Agree, Slinger is awesome if that's all you need and/or are on a budget. I still do very basic stuff that the Slinger is about as good for on my much more fancy machine. I think both are justified in their price.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Sorry. My mistake. The Spinfire has the option of an external battery pack so you can keep the machine in the car and only take the battery home to recharge. How is the Titan recharged?
Posted a short on this and wish it was in my video but I didn't think to mention it haha. Have a look: ua-cam.com/users/shortsE9bHCXX8CSs?feature=share
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thanks. Much appreciated. I was worried that the battery only lasted 2 hours but since it's possible to replace and use multiple batteries, that's a game changer. However, I have no idea how much each battery costs and how to recharge the batteries but at least it looks like the battery is not stuck to the machine 😀
I just bought a third party one. There are many options for the capacity. Not too much, mine was about 35 dollars and has slightly more capacity than the one included but it might be larger as well. I'll see if it fits sometime.
Now that these ball machines are beginning to use phone apps, which is great, I’m wondering how that will work out with folks recording their sessions with SwingVision or similar. Can the phone do double duty, or would the use of an Apple Watch aid in this endeavor…
Well you could definitely do both but you'd have to stop filming (most likely) to control the app. Unless you can have both things open. IDK if my camera will allow me to film without the actual window open but I can run titan in the background and then do other things. Call, record, etc. A remote is coming very soon. I'd love that just for pause or play. Maybe it'll offer more, not sure but I hope it's smaller and lighter than my phone. Phone in pocket while swinging and running isn't my favorite.
I’ve been using swing vision more to torture myself being able to plainly see my poor form. They have some nice perks for referrals. You should def put that in your quiver and push SwingVision with a referral code. Has some real promise.
Haha I've thought about it but for now I'm self critiquing a lot because I see what I want to fix. We'll see if I plateau. I can mirror my right side a lot since that side is the example I want and need to follow for now. And a lot of people might just say "why not hit a regular backhand" haha so to some degree this is a path I walk alone. Also don't have iOS so it's a bit more hassle.
It's such a dream! Favorite decision I may have ever made in my tennis. Going very well for me but it takes dedication. I will make a video on why I did it and how soon.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Interesting... that's awesome, would love to see a full video on it. The few times I've tried it I can feel my brain likes the symmetry of involving the left side of the body as per the right. Will keep an eye out for the vid
Sweet! Yeah my body felt so weird for hours the first time I really tried and it made me think I woke something up inside me that I was never connected to but wanted to be. But this was months before I really committed.
This is a great review!!! Realistic and impartial. I was ready to get the slinger bag but now I am very skeptical, especially since the top spin is very unrealistic. Thanks for putting this video together!
Glad it was helpful! I still think a slinger is worth getting if that's what's within the budget but it's possible something better is or will he available soon. Nisplay makes a couple options that might be intriguing. Lmk what you do!
É muito ridículo comparar 2 propostas completamente diferentes. Uma custa 649 dólares. A outra 2.199 dólares. Você está comparando um Porsche 911 com um Jetta TSI.
It's not a comparison to make one look better. It's to show what the money difference gets you so you can better decide what fits your needs and or budget. It's a video designed to help you decide and know what you're getting for the money either way.
@@ZeroLoveTennis They don't agree with your assessment at max speed regarding the top spin and have said it's not unrealistic when playing at more advanced levels (i.e. players at least 4.0 and higher).
That's a joke. It's absolutely insane. Literally nobody is physically capable of the spin this produces. Literally everyone that's seen it in person feels this right away on my end. So IDK if you get one you can see what you think.
@@ZeroLoveTennis I can only tell you what the 4.5 guys I play with out here in Vegas has said about it. They say it's a lot of spin, but no one is saying to too difficult to play with or complain about it the way you have. I have no opinion as I have not used it yet. But if it doesn't work for you it doesn't work for you. But there are a large number of players who don't think it's too much of an issue
I think the most common complaint by far, which you can very easily find online, is the exact one I am making. I'm not even saying it's impossible or difficult to play with. I just say that it is unrealistic. The ball will jump or accelerate in a way that is not correlating to the arc or speed but you will adjust. It's just a ridiculous ball. Literally every single person using my machine has felt this same exact way so it's an anecdotal thing. I don't think the level of a person and their opinion necessarily brings more or less merit to the experience. Whatever you notice matters most for you. This may or may not bother/affect you but if someone straight up just doesn't notice that then I'd say it's more so they just aren't sensitive to differences like that, regardless of their ability to adjust or not. I've hit with a handful of the 4.5 and up guys in Vegas. I wonder if we've hit with the same people!
Yeah but it seems fair. It's not like it only does a few more things, it is a world of difference. Great thing is you can get either one! But to expect the titan to be what it is at the Slinger price would be too much to ask.
Do you think it's a fair price? I would agree that it isn't necessarily cheap or affordable for everyone but I personally wouldn't say the price isn't justified.
Tennis isn't as popular as it once was. I see they make pickle ball machines too... I am not sure there is a market for that price for a sport that doesn't have people playing it..@@ZeroLoveTennis
It looks nice. But such an overt hit piece on Slinger which lost so much credibility. Presumably paid for...!! Slinger Bag with Oscilator $650 Titan One $2,300 Thats like comparing a $30k car to a $90k car. Bit pointless.
I get this kind of message ocassionally and I feel like the point is lost on those who say similar things. The point is literally to compare the price difference, to show you what the price difference gets you so you can decide which makes more sense at the given price points. It's not to make the Slinger look bad. I speak honestly about how I used it and the value it can bring and I suggest getting one if you can and that's all you need from a ball machine. The only reason Slinger specifically was included is because it's a very popular machine and quite affordable, it's an easy reference point and an obvious comparison to make. What did you expect a cheap vs expensive video to be? It is designed to highlight differences so you can appreciate them because many disregard the Titan immediately due to the price. Well...here's a video showing why the price is justified. But I still say to get the Slinger if that makes more sense to you/is enough for you. I hope that makes sense.
@@ZeroLoveTennis No quite the opposite. The "point" is the entire piece was presented as a hit piece on the Slinger Bag. A real turn off. This would be fair enough if say you were talking about a price differential of 20-30%. But it's not. The Titan is 300% of the Slinger price. At the price point $2,300 of the Titan there are a slew of ball machines from established proven industry names. It would have made sense to contrast functionality to them.
We'll have to just disagree. I explained the purpose of the video, many people got the purpose of the video, the thumbnail says "best vs basic" and towards the end of the comparison, I break down what each offers and say to choose the one that works best for you. But you insist on this being a hit piece despite all of that, so...there's clearly nothing left for me to do but let you misunderstand or insist on what the intention was all along or net effect of the video is.
@@ZeroLoveTennis There ya go again. Yes we can agree to disagree. I'd simply point out that OVER 50% of the responses you got to this "review" noticed the exact same thing I did. It was BY FAR the leading feedback point. Many far more vociferous than me... Perhaps we are just all "wrong". Or perhaps you view your subscribers as so ignorant they think the Slinger offers similar functionality to machines almost 4x it's cost?? It just came across as weird and unessesary. If you feel the competition for this £2,500 machine is a $650 Slinger Bag such that it merits 10 minutes of negative marketing that's up to you.
I do want to test that one someday. It can't hold all the balls at once and it does telegraph where the ball is sending, though, since it is not an internal mechanism. Two cons I've heard from users that compare interestingly are - No ability to simulate hand-feeding balls from the same side of the court or even the T of the opposite court. The lowest speed setting is too high for this, and it is also limited by the limited maximum upward angle achievable by the proton. This isn't a deal breaker by any means but would be a nice option to have. - Lobs while possible with the Lob riser, are not the best in that you can't incorporate lobs with regular shots in a combined drill for ground strokes and lobs Both of which bother me. Lobs can't be thrown in because the storage mechanism sits on top, uncovered and the height is mostly adjusted but tilting the machine. But those could mean less to some people. Hope to test it someday myself.
That is entirely up to the individual. For me, it absolutely is. For many, gaining a second of 0-60 speed in a car is worth the extra 20-60 thousand dollars. So the value of differences is extremely subjective and a difference of $1,500 hits everyone differently. For me, it's the difference between a very basic ball feeder to something closer to a tennis simulator. What about no machine vs having a basic one? Or an average academy vs the best? These decisions are entirely individual. It's not objective.
I hope they will start selling in EU, otherwise customs and delivery make it way too expensive. Other than that, really interesting product. My only wish, Titan app definitely needs to be improved allowing user to add more of new drills beside built-in programs.
I don't see the relevance of doing a comparison review of a machine that's $600 vs a $2,100 machine. No shit the more expensive version is better, there's 10 ball machines in the same price point. This is the central concept the Market cares about: Why are tennis ball machines Still so expensive, and can they make a great one under $1,000. One is affordable and truly portable, and the other is not. I think yhe Titan is a failure of innovation and especially a failure of marketing. One company has a smart business plan, the other one does not.
The relevance is to show the price difference. Some people really struggle to get that but yeah, that's not lost on everybody so most people actually get the point. It shows you the top end vs the entry level. Maybe I could have titled it that way and possibly would in the future.
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SUPER comprehensive review. Will be looking for a used one since I poor.
Hopefully one pops up! I think the price is fair but it definitely isn't cheap.
as a note, Slinger is launching the new version in about 3 months. The new version comes with 2 rollers so now it gives dropshots, back spin, flat and the famous top spin
haha the famous topspin. I wonder if it's even possible to get that much topspin with 2 rollers. There's a magic to just 1 but it is excessive.
Interesting, I imagine it'll cost a fair bit more.
Source ?
Where did you hear this information?
Guess we'll see if it holds up in about a month lol. I could reach out and ask sometime.
@Toxicat_JaJa I'm a reseller. But the dates changed tho. Is delayed for now
The Titan looks like an amazing machine. My one criticism at the moment is their choice to use a zipper enclosure at the top. For a quality piece of kit that that, I'd rather see a more sturdy and longevic closure system like some locking clips or?
Hmmm, might be a little rattly. And slightly more bulky. I kinda see what you mean but it doesn't bother me. I think it has a high quality mold and zipper
Also keep it mind how affordable it is for what it offers. Ball machines half this capable used to cost several times more and were much larger and not battery powered.
Just because it's more expensive doesn't mean every detail will be extra premium.
I have the slinger bag, its AWESOME!! I got mine for $400...Hard to beat...I bought 2 I liked it so much
Wow why two? How does the second one get used or is it just a backup?
Awesome. Looks like an amazing ball machine but costs 4x as much as my slinger bag....
I feel you. It's one of those thing where the decision is obvious if budget is or isn't the deciding factor, right? If budget, Slinger, obviously. If no concerns about that or feel the price is super justified and worth it, it's obviously the Titan.
Wow...
I was thinking of picking up a Slinger Bag at some point,
but the Titan One is just SO much more versatile in every way.
I ran into someone on an outdoor court recently using the Slinger,
and chatted him up a bit; mentioning I was interested in picking one up...
He was somewhat happy with it, but his biggest complaint was "the battery life."
(Even with the extended battery/charger)
How is the Titan One in comparison?
Lastly...
Where do you reside to be able to play outdoors this late in the season?
I recall you making a "TennCom" reference in one of your latest videos, so my guess is Vancouver?
I'm from Toronto, and the weather has been pretty decent here for Winter to hit outdoors...
Problem is we don't have an abundance of "decent" public court to hit on (asphalt)
none being regular club hard courts, and the one's that are shabby hard courts are VERY hard to get time on cause they're ridiculously busy with the locals that play on them daily and they spam the courts hard.
Thanks, Time410s 👊
titan must be better. I can get good hours out of the Slinger but, keep in mind, I only use it on the same side as me which means much slower speeds. From further distances, it uses battery much more quickly. I generally use the Titan at high speeds from far away and it seems to last quite a bit longer than the Slinger would from the same distance.
TennCom is just a homie. A fellow tennis persona that likes my content and I like his. We chat sometimes and have plans for some collaborations in the future but I am in California.
Sure it's better but its 2100 bucks US... you have that much to spend?
The Titan One seems amazing! I truly think if you can swing it this is worth the investment. Especially if youre taking tennis seriously. Everything you say about the Slinger is correct and since I was able to demo it i was kind of reluctant to buy one.
Thank you! I think that is right. I think either is good to have if you have nothing and will actually use it in productive ways, which you can totally do with either but the limits are much sooner felt with the Slinger.
@@ZeroLoveTennis I've been looking at the Hydrogen Proton but it doesn't seemed as polished of a product.
It might not be. Seems more portable tho. Balls, when full, fall out haha because the machine physically tilts back for higher balls.
You are selling Titan and making a profit. That's why you're so critical of the Slinger Bag. Bottom line: it's not a real comparison if you're totally biased. Have you mentioned that Titan is at least 2x more expensive?
I think I clearly mentioned the price difference. Was the not clear? I'm actually pro both machine. Obviously one machine is way better but the other is much more affordable and maybe plenty useful as it is for many people.
I might have an incentive for one machine but you're assuming that creates a bias. It should be obvious to anybody which machine is better. Which machine makes more sense for the individual is a personal choice and nothing about my video would indicate that I feel otherwise.
You should get the one which makes more sense for you. Period.
@@ZeroLoveTennis No you didn't mention that the Slinger Bag is $640 including the oscillator (which you didn't even show/demo) vs $2,300 for the Titan.
Hows the titan holding up? Thinking of getting one for my lady, 5.0 female
As good as new, honestly. That's awesome! You can really challenge yourself with the Titan.
@@ZeroLoveTennis it's a big investment, much thanks for the reply!
I hear it's out of stock right now but when it's been, my code saves you the shipping cost. It helps a good bit if domestic.
As a previous slinger owner for over a year and current owner of spinfire v2, this is the first ball machine. I have come across that can give you a drill with variable spin. For example, for messing around on their App Store, you can set a forehand top spin to the deuce cord then a backhand slice out wide, then come into the net to put away the ball. This is very intriguing for someone that’s been looking for a machine that could simulate a lot more more variety from an opponent rather than just being fed the same type of ball speed and spin.
The biggest downside to the slinger bag is manual adjustment and unrealistic top spin from the ball machine, it warped the ball the faster you have the speed set. The oscillator is useless as you can see where the machine will send the ball from due to external oscillator.
The spinefire is a much better machine but I definitely cannot say paying over 2k versus $700 for slinger makes the spinefire 3X better. I’ll have to sell my machine if I seriously decide to buy the titan.
What is the spinfire? I'll look into it a bit.
I think the price is justified but that doesn't mean I think it is affordable for everyone or that it means 3x better. But it is definitely many times more capable.
Ah i see. The spinfire is in a similar price point but I think it's not as well designed. Would you agree?
@@ZeroLoveTennis the spin fire, you can adjust feed rate, speed, spin, and trajectory, but then the setting remains in place unless you stop to adjust again whereas the titan seems it can adjust with each subsequent shot if so desired. Also, on the pinfire, you can choose linear feed, narrow feed, medium, and wide feed. You can also choose random horizontal and random vertical feeds, but the vertical feeds are not that useful as the machine doesn’t truly vary the depth due to the settings you place the machine under. For example, if you set to a high speed rate with heavy top spin, the machine will actually end up sending the ball deep, the court dimensions, not helpful for drills. I normally just set the machine on feed, sometimes medium feed, and if working on conditioning wide feed. Sometimes I’ll incorporate random horizontal feeds but random vertical feeds. If I wanna work on overhead, I have to manually change the settings, it’s easier write down what you want. Otherwise it becomes cumbersome. I’m having to manually figure it out.
Ahhhh I see. Thanks for explaining.
@@ZeroLoveTennis How are you liking the Titan? Any regrets?
Does it have an indication when it's about to throw the ball so you can split step? Also, have u considered doing a comparison to the Proton?
Not really but it has predictable rhythm since it's feed is consistent.
Proton... we'll see if I get a side by side sometime.
Great video & review!!! Thank u!!! Love the features and capabilities of the Titan & while I’m interested in it as a supplemental training tool between tournaments, I just can’t bring myself to pay what they want for it n today’s economic climate. That being said I’m looking forward to any future videos u produce related to this particular machine.
I totally understand. It's really good for improving shot quality, among other things. But there's more to tennis than just that but for these details of your tennis it is genuinely really helpful as long as you, yourself, can guide your improvement but even then, repetition helps a lot!
Beside these 2 machines I’m checking out the other ball machine PROTON, because it is compact and lightweight. I haven’t seen many reviews about it. Can you give me your opinion for it please? Thanks
I'll see if I can test one side by side. I should email them and see if they want a challenge
i have a proton and love it. its not all in 1 but its light enough to carry over the shoulder. I use a hopper for ball pick up anyways so not a big deal for me to carry both. it has a great app and works with apple watch.
Nice mini-demo. Finding partners is always a challenge for me, so I’d love to be able to get a unit like this (though unlikely).
Qs for the future…def battery type and life. Also, is the pairing with the phone is by wifi? Reliability of that would be good to report over time. Nice to have the power of the app control, but might be a downside for folks who want to film their hitting session? If so, Would be interesting to have a secondary (simple) remote option.
Life like hrs of usability per charge? Type, it's similar to a drill where it swaps on the outside. I could and should include that. I'll have a second video but maybe more focused on the titan itself.
A basic remote should be coming soon!
Would be a real plus if some of these units used a battery type that were compatable with a major power tool maker like Makita, Ryobi, or ? Then, spares could be sourced easily anywhere.
I think it is. It's the same magazine style loaded battery. The design is the same but I can't confirm it is the same as what would be really universal. The battery link is on the website though! I'd link but currently am on the worst internet of all time at some random starbucks.
titanballmachines.com/products/titan-lithium-battery
Thank you for your review! I am considering to purchase the Titan One machine. I am hesitating between the Titan and the Spinshot Player machine. Which one would you favor? They seem to have similar features and price point..
Titan One is interesting! I have the slinger as my practice partner during the summer but love the fact that you can use a phone app for the titan one to randomly feed you balls.
The random feature is very cool. I'll do a deeper dive on it because you can set it to do random things within a certain window as opposed to totally random as well. Like random height but same placement will adjust the speed as needed to hit that spot but with different ball heights. Random location will be as it sounds but you can set the intensity and height to be fixed and it will adjust accordingly to stay in. Very nice.
Came across this video while researching ball machines. I am trying to sort out which unit is the best value ball machine under $1000.
Lots to choose from:
Nisplay N1 Tennis Ball Machine $899.
Tennis Tutor Tennis Cube w/ Oscillation $909.
Tennis Tutor ProLite w/ Battery - Oscillation $949.
Slinger Bag Tennis Ball Machine $649.
Sports Tutor eCannon Tennis Ball Machine $649.
Lobster Sports Elite Liberty $1179
and now there is a new very lightweight and portable Nisplay Model L1 coming out for around $350. (there are videos online promoting the unit now).
Have you heard any buzz about the Nisplay Model L1?
What do you feel is the best value ball machine under $1000. right now?
That nisplay seems compelling but I'll need to see. Is it released yet?
@@ZeroLoveTennis it appears that there are number of people who reviewed it now on UA-cam. That said it also appears some of these are sponsored by the manufacturer. They are crowd-funding this new machine so it doesn’t appear they’re readily available in stores. Maybe they would like you to test it?
Yeah the fact it's not actually available for purchase yet deters my interest. Everything is based on a non production model of the machine so who knows how the end product quality will actually perform or if the product will actually be manufactured for sale.
I can't say. But it's partly why I haven't thought too much of it but it does look very competitive for the price it is offered at. 50 balls? Not bad but it's quite cheap.
Could definitely be desirable over the Slinger Bag and if budget is the main concern then it would beat many. Portability also attractive.
I can't really say more.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Given that then, of the existing ball machines on the market - many of those I researched are noted above in my original post - which one would you pick in the under $1000. range?
Very possibly the nisplay N1. Have you also come across this? amzn.to/4ffRYha
If you can get something that feeds balls with spin variety then you can get realistic ball feeds. Single motor options might all have a ridiculous bounce and spin.
Oscillating isn't that helpful or useful unless it's synced to the feed.
I hope that narrows some options down for ya!
And having a remote is very nice. Maybe they all include one though but I'd be sure.
Could you lift this beast up some stairs without damaging your back? I live only 250 meters away from my tennis court, which is a big pro. But I can only store the machine in my basement, which means I would have to carry it up and down 20 stair steps every time I use it. Would that be a deal breaker for you? Apart from that concern I really like what I see in your video!
Hmmm I wouldn't want to. You could but it would be a haul. If you can pull it up like a bag of luggage then less hassle but I wonder if it can handle that.
Idk that's a tough call. I store in my garage and haul it ten feet to my car. Stairs would be sketchy and tiring but impressive haha.
You could do it if you're fairly strong and well balanced but what a drag 😅
Agree! Something is better than nothing especially when you can't find anybody to play with. Frand has some nice spin 🎾. I've had Olipop, it's like a soda substitute!
Olipop is great.
Hmmm. Oligopoly huh? I’ll look for it! LOL. If the price point ever drops or my Slinger Bag dies after warranty the Titan is a definite go!!!
LOL. I meant Olipop!!! I hate autocorrect.
@@marcusrobinson-Live4Love I get those at Sprouts but I believe I've bought at Target. I made sure to get Olipop & Mid-day peanut butter protein squares 😋 there.
Just ordered one. Is there a website with different drills that people have made up to try out?
Awesome! Curious, did you get the balls/hopper as well or just the machine?
I'm not sure that there is but there could/should be something like you ask. I can start a little something here. I have meant to. It's an awesome feature that even I do not utilize enough but I promise to make some content about it and release some drills soon :)
@@ZeroLoveTennis awesome! I ordered the Titan one machine with balls and the remote as well. It’s on back order so I should hopefully get it in a few weeks. I definitely am excited to try it out and all the drill features. I played tennis all through school, but tennis ball machines and drills on my own are definitely a learning curve. Having virtual drills or something that I could tune into and just scan into my machine and practice would be top-notch! I’m no tennis coach, but if I was, I would definitely be creating some type of subscription platform for drills on this machine. Maybe something for you to look into.
LIKED & SUBSCRIBED - I’ll be looking for more Titan content!
Is the app strictly for Iphones? I didn't see anything related to Titan on the Play store
Hmm you need to download the app from the titanballmachine website still, most likely. How's this link?
titanballmachines.com/pages/titan-drills-app-download
Hoping you could compare to the Spinfire Pro 2
Idk if I'll ever get that machine, unfortunately. It's unlikely to happen. To get a huge thing like that and both on the court with enough time to review either.
It seems like a good machine but I would still give the Titan an edge, it's design is more modern and I think portable but it depends on how you value the way it carries balls.
Otherwise, it's a little hard to say. Not sure the spinfire pro 2 is as capable of variety as the Titan but it seems better than some for sure.
@@ZeroLoveTennis got it, thx for the reply
Pricing between the two ball machines?
Pinned a comment on this video with links for both. I'd rather you have that since prices are always subject to change so whatever info I give you now could change. Can you see it?
What’s your take between the Titan and the Hydrogen Proton?
I might say the Titan seems a little more premium. You can carry the balls inside it as well and it is a bit more heavy duty. Might seem silly but the proton will rise its entire self at an angle to high higher balls and if the machine is more full, balls will spill out haha. But maybe it is still very competitive at the pricepoint.
@@ZeroLoveTennis True, it's a catch 22 when it comes to the weight of the ball machine and the total amount it can carry. I love how to the Titan carries everything. Not a fan how much it weighs after the fact lol. I feel like I'd need a ramp to load it onto and off of my car.
I can load it into my car but it is effortful. All the balls and machine together it is decently heavy. With the proton i would feel partially like the portability is defeated by me needing a secondary way to carry the balls.
@@ZeroLoveTennis There's a version which has a detachable loading bin so you can separate the balls from the machine which should make it much easier for car loading. Any reason why didn't you consider that version?
2 reasons.
1. it didn't exist at the time I got this machine or made the video (I believe)
2. While it might technically make it more portable and or easier, I'd rather have all the balls already in the machine. It would mean needing a second thing to carry the balls in and then I'd have to load it into the machine and unload it again into whatever carries them.
Ultimately ends up being more things and in my case, this machine fits in my car just fine.
3. I'll have that machine soon anyway 😅 and I'll make that point. For some, they will prefer it. For me, not as much.
I like my Slinger, and the company is quite responsive. The lack of charging control is an issue (you can't just come back home plug it and forget it for a week). And yes the top-spin is ridiculous. I had my coach test it, an active D1 player, and he concurs. It makes you work harder. Still, Slinger is a lot of bang for the buck.
Agree, Slinger is awesome if that's all you need and/or are on a budget. I still do very basic stuff that the Slinger is about as good for on my much more fancy machine. I think both are justified in their price.
I know you were playing with the Spinfire for a while. What did you think of that machine?
Was I? I only recall owning a Slinger...nah just looked that up, never. It looks kind of dated at a quick glance.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Sorry. My mistake. The Spinfire has the option of an external battery pack so you can keep the machine in the car and only take the battery home to recharge. How is the Titan recharged?
Posted a short on this and wish it was in my video but I didn't think to mention it haha. Have a look: ua-cam.com/users/shortsE9bHCXX8CSs?feature=share
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thanks. Much appreciated. I was worried that the battery only lasted 2 hours but since it's possible to replace and use multiple batteries, that's a game changer. However, I have no idea how much each battery costs and how to recharge the batteries but at least it looks like the battery is not stuck to the machine 😀
I just bought a third party one. There are many options for the capacity. Not too much, mine was about 35 dollars and has slightly more capacity than the one included but it might be larger as well. I'll see if it fits sometime.
Now that these ball machines are beginning to use phone apps, which is great, I’m wondering how that will work out with folks recording their sessions with SwingVision or similar. Can the phone do double duty, or would the use of an Apple Watch aid in this endeavor…
Well you could definitely do both but you'd have to stop filming (most likely) to control the app. Unless you can have both things open. IDK if my camera will allow me to film without the actual window open but I can run titan in the background and then do other things. Call, record, etc.
A remote is coming very soon. I'd love that just for pause or play. Maybe it'll offer more, not sure but I hope it's smaller and lighter than my phone. Phone in pocket while swinging and running isn't my favorite.
I’ve been using swing vision more to torture myself being able to plainly see my poor form. They have some nice perks for referrals. You should def put that in your quiver and push SwingVision with a referral code. Has some real promise.
Haha I've thought about it but for now I'm self critiquing a lot because I see what I want to fix. We'll see if I plateau. I can mirror my right side a lot since that side is the example I want and need to follow for now.
And a lot of people might just say "why not hit a regular backhand" haha so to some degree this is a path I walk alone.
Also don't have iOS so it's a bit more hassle.
How many rackets fit in the compartment of the Titan One?
Good question, I think 1 or 2. Surely not 3. Haven't actually tested this haha I always have my tennis bag with me.
How is the leftie forehand s backhand project going?
I'm considering the same thing
It's such a dream! Favorite decision I may have ever made in my tennis. Going very well for me but it takes dedication. I will make a video on why I did it and how soon.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Interesting... that's awesome, would love to see a full video on it.
The few times I've tried it I can feel my brain likes the symmetry of involving the left side of the body as per the right. Will keep an eye out for the vid
Sweet! Yeah my body felt so weird for hours the first time I really tried and it made me think I woke something up inside me that I was never connected to but wanted to be. But this was months before I really committed.
for the Titan One price point, then better to get the Spinfire machine which does also slice
Titan does slice too just to be clear but maybe you mean the Spinfire machine with that option.
Spinfire , spinshot and also titan slice! All of them!
I have spinshot plus 2,i wondering which is difference with the titan.
Titan similar but more modern for sure. Spinshot has no phone app with visual display does it?
@@ZeroLoveTennis spinshot has app and does function nicely. Its mistety cos i see on the net that spinshot and titan has collaboration
I'm actually not entirely sure how deep the collaboration goes haha but there is something for sure.
Great review, thank you
Thank you!
Does it ship with titan pressureless ball?
Does not come included.
Where can we get the ball hopper collector?
Same website as in the link. Maybe I should link the product directly
This is a great review!!! Realistic and impartial. I was ready to get the slinger bag but now I am very skeptical, especially since the top spin is very unrealistic. Thanks for putting this video together!
Glad it was helpful! I still think a slinger is worth getting if that's what's within the budget but it's possible something better is or will he available soon. Nisplay makes a couple options that might be intriguing. Lmk what you do!
@@ZeroLoveTennis will do. Thanks again
Where is it made?
I actually haven't checked but I assume China. Maybe I'm wrong. China makes so many things. Many of the best and cheapest things are made out there.
great video, thanks
cheers! And thank you.
É muito ridículo comparar 2 propostas completamente diferentes. Uma custa 649 dólares. A outra 2.199 dólares. Você está comparando um Porsche 911 com um Jetta TSI.
It's not a comparison to make one look better. It's to show what the money difference gets you so you can better decide what fits your needs and or budget.
It's a video designed to help you decide and know what you're getting for the money either way.
Wow, your experience with the Slinger is drastically different from others.
What do others say?
@@ZeroLoveTennis They don't agree with your assessment at max speed regarding the top spin and have said it's not unrealistic when playing at more advanced levels (i.e. players at least 4.0 and higher).
That's a joke. It's absolutely insane. Literally nobody is physically capable of the spin this produces. Literally everyone that's seen it in person feels this right away on my end.
So IDK if you get one you can see what you think.
@@ZeroLoveTennis I can only tell you what the 4.5 guys I play with out here in Vegas has said about it. They say it's a lot of spin, but no one is saying to too difficult to play with or complain about it the way you have. I have no opinion as I have not used it yet. But if it doesn't work for you it doesn't work for you. But there are a large number of players who don't think it's too much of an issue
I think the most common complaint by far, which you can very easily find online, is the exact one I am making. I'm not even saying it's impossible or difficult to play with. I just say that it is unrealistic. The ball will jump or accelerate in a way that is not correlating to the arc or speed but you will adjust. It's just a ridiculous ball. Literally every single person using my machine has felt this same exact way so it's an anecdotal thing. I don't think the level of a person and their opinion necessarily brings more or less merit to the experience. Whatever you notice matters most for you. This may or may not bother/affect you but if someone straight up just doesn't notice that then I'd say it's more so they just aren't sensitive to differences like that, regardless of their ability to adjust or not.
I've hit with a handful of the 4.5 and up guys in Vegas. I wonder if we've hit with the same people!
Yeah nice but the titain is 4 times as much the more you pay the better features you will get
Yeah but it seems fair. It's not like it only does a few more things, it is a world of difference. Great thing is you can get either one! But to expect the titan to be what it is at the Slinger price would be too much to ask.
It's 2100 bucks... too much.
Do you think it's a fair price? I would agree that it isn't necessarily cheap or affordable for everyone but I personally wouldn't say the price isn't justified.
Exactly! More expensive than my Smart TV and Washing Machine combined 😆
Tennis isn't as popular as it once was. I see they make pickle ball machines too... I am not sure there is a market for that price for a sport that doesn't have people playing it..@@ZeroLoveTennis
@@lynyrdskynyrd9742 In Europe tennis is famous, i think that the price its ok ,whati is giving for, but ok each will buy whatever wants
How balls tennis can be in collector tennis?
It looks nice. But such an overt hit piece on Slinger which lost so much credibility. Presumably paid for...!!
Slinger Bag with Oscilator $650
Titan One $2,300
Thats like comparing a $30k car to a $90k car. Bit pointless.
I get this kind of message ocassionally and I feel like the point is lost on those who say similar things.
The point is literally to compare the price difference, to show you what the price difference gets you so you can decide which makes more sense at the given price points. It's not to make the Slinger look bad. I speak honestly about how I used it and the value it can bring and I suggest getting one if you can and that's all you need from a ball machine.
The only reason Slinger specifically was included is because it's a very popular machine and quite affordable, it's an easy reference point and an obvious comparison to make.
What did you expect a cheap vs expensive video to be? It is designed to highlight differences so you can appreciate them because many disregard the Titan immediately due to the price. Well...here's a video showing why the price is justified. But I still say to get the Slinger if that makes more sense to you/is enough for you.
I hope that makes sense.
@@ZeroLoveTennis No quite the opposite. The "point" is the entire piece was presented as a hit piece on the Slinger Bag. A real turn off. This would be fair enough if say you were talking about a price differential of 20-30%. But it's not. The Titan is 300% of the Slinger price.
At the price point $2,300 of the Titan there are a slew of ball machines from established proven industry names. It would have made sense to contrast functionality to them.
We'll have to just disagree. I explained the purpose of the video, many people got the purpose of the video, the thumbnail says "best vs basic" and towards the end of the comparison, I break down what each offers and say to choose the one that works best for you.
But you insist on this being a hit piece despite all of that, so...there's clearly nothing left for me to do but let you misunderstand or insist on what the intention was all along or net effect of the video is.
@@ZeroLoveTennis There ya go again. Yes we can agree to disagree. I'd simply point out that OVER 50% of the responses you got to this "review" noticed the exact same thing I did. It was BY FAR the leading feedback point. Many far more vociferous than me... Perhaps we are just all "wrong". Or perhaps you view your subscribers as so ignorant they think the Slinger offers similar functionality to machines almost 4x it's cost??
It just came across as weird and unessesary.
If you feel the competition for this £2,500 machine is a $650 Slinger Bag such that it merits 10 minutes of negative marketing that's up to you.
the hydrogen sport proton is just as capable as the titan but significantly more portable.
I do want to test that one someday. It can't hold all the balls at once and it does telegraph where the ball is sending, though, since it is not an internal mechanism.
Two cons I've heard from users that compare interestingly are
- No ability to simulate hand-feeding balls from the same side of the court or even the T of the opposite court. The lowest speed setting is too high for this, and it is also limited by the limited maximum upward angle achievable by the proton. This isn't a deal breaker by any means but would be a nice option to have.
- Lobs while possible with the Lob riser, are not the best in that you can't incorporate lobs with regular shots in a combined drill for ground strokes and lobs
Both of which bother me. Lobs can't be thrown in because the storage mechanism sits on top, uncovered and the height is mostly adjusted but tilting the machine.
But those could mean less to some people.
Hope to test it someday myself.
I will call up my buddy and buy him lunch afterwards
Haha what do you mean? Instead of a machine?
$700 vs $2500. I'm not sure the marginal gains from are worth the huge difference in cost.
That is entirely up to the individual. For me, it absolutely is. For many, gaining a second of 0-60 speed in a car is worth the extra 20-60 thousand dollars.
So the value of differences is extremely subjective and a difference of $1,500 hits everyone differently.
For me, it's the difference between a very basic ball feeder to something closer to a tennis simulator.
What about no machine vs having a basic one? Or an average academy vs the best? These decisions are entirely individual. It's not objective.
$290 for shipping to Europe😬
Ouch. My code doesn't help? Lmk.
And as I understood you have to pay custom's clearance on top of this - i.e. 25-25% It becomes too expensive at the end.
That's frustrating, the customs fees.
I hope they will start selling in EU, otherwise customs and delivery make it way too expensive. Other than that, really interesting product. My only wish, Titan app definitely needs to be improved allowing user to add more of new drills beside built-in programs.
@@vakula485o don't think that for europian union counteys you need to pay custom fee additionally
I don't see the relevance of doing a comparison review of a machine that's $600 vs a $2,100 machine. No shit the more expensive version is better, there's 10 ball machines in the same price point. This is the central concept the Market cares about: Why are tennis ball machines Still so expensive, and can they make a great one under $1,000.
One is affordable and truly portable, and the other is not. I think yhe Titan is a failure of innovation and especially a failure of marketing.
One company has a smart business plan, the other one does not.
The relevance is to show the price difference. Some people really struggle to get that but yeah, that's not lost on everybody so most people actually get the point.
It shows you the top end vs the entry level. Maybe I could have titled it that way and possibly would in the future.
3x the price
What do you think a fair price would be?
@@ZeroLoveTennis its just alot
@@ZeroLoveTennis I definitely want one though
Yeah not cheap.