I have the P365 and P365XL with Wilson XL grips on both. I agree with you that the extra $600 for the comp version is not worth the money for just a good looking pistol. Invest the money on ammo as I did and shoot the crap out of them to overcome the snappy issues and your good to go. Thanks for sharing!
Bought one for my wife for Mother’s Day. Upgraded her from the sig p238 I bought her years back. Took her to the range and all her shots landed on target with her first mag. Her recoil mitigation was spot on with the built in comp. I’m a Walther fan boy. My first edc was the Walther p5 compact which I still own. After that I graduated to the first gen pdp m1 then what I was currently carrying the pdp m2. Loved everything about that pistol with the exception of mag capacity. After I shot her spectre comp I went and got one for myself as well. Love everything about the pistol except the spongy trigger when compared to the Walther. The sig is a surprisingly great little package.
Another relatively big difference between the guns is the optics cut. The new Spectre Comp does not need to remove the rear sights to use a red dot which can allow for co-witnessing. Everyone is different, but it was the #1 selling point for me
Not that you remove the rear sights very day to replace for a red dot…😂😂😂😂brother reality is that you paid another $600 just for a name and a shorter barrel… they gotta ya.. Proven America buys what ever crap they throw at them. Every one knows there NOT 30% reduction in anything and even less in recoil. By the way in own a P365 XL and wouldn’t change it for anything in the world unless they come up with a better gun..
@UC_uDE5QEJ6P6dgyKAwVsuwQ Where I was born people don’t even have the right to buy proper food my man. I’m Cuban. And as you may know or not. In Cuba to have even a single dollar is a privilege. And I awry doubt they would spend it on a gun not that they can or wish they could so they can get rid of the regime that oppressed them. I was you I would worry more it doesn’t happens here cause it actually happening under the watch of every one and soon you won’t be able to make the choices that you see in this video.
thanks for being so honest and your opinion is greatly appreciated. I just bought a spectre comp 365 .I have yet to shoot it. after listening to you I may have not bought the spectre comp.i saw 3 reviews and everyone raved about the gun. i am an obsessive compulsive person and instead of waiting and thinking things through I just gotta have it and get my chops busted all the time. wish I would have seen your review first. thanks again.
I too can make some quick buying decisions so I feel your pain! DON’T REGRET IT! It’s a great gun, only got caught up on the price! You’ve already bought it so you’re over that pain, you’re probably going to love the gun!!! Enjoy it!
One thing I find interesting is that you and Sig say that the XL and Spectra Comp both weigh the same. This is strange since the dimensions are the same, but the Spectra has .6" less barrel, and the slide has lighting cuts and compensator cuts all of which should reduce the overall mass.
I thought that was strange as well. I weighed the guns separately and came up with a similar result. I think the extra weight in the Comp comes from the grip module. Thanks for checking us out!
I bought a spectre comp yesterday, a bday gift to myself. Got a deal from my friend also. If you are looking to get a comp version of a 365, it’s actually not bad since I also build out my original 365, with Zev slide, PMM micro comp barrel set, Wilson grip module… it ended up a bit over what the spectre comp cost…
Yep. Once you mill and re-coat a 365 slide to have rear irons AND buy the PMM kit, you're getting super close to the SC price...add a custom grip module, and you're there. The good thing about the ZEV slide option is you can sell your old slide and recoup some of that money...so maybe still save a few hundred.
Freeze frame at 8:13 into the video. By looking at both targets simultaneously, it's pretty clear you were more accurate using the SIG Spectre Comp as the standard P365XL. Assuming the fired ammunition was the same, I'd say the SIG Comp is certainly adding to accuracy. I've shot both models and the Spectre "compensated" version of the P365XL, to me, seems significantly "lighter" when firing, using my preferred Federal 124gr. HST ammunition. Just my opinion.
Like the honest evaluation. I put an XL slide on my standard to help with rapid fire recovery but like the small grip for ccw. Not sure I want to spend another $500 for the comp slide (as of Feb 24) so like your shooter viewpoint. The slide and longer barrel of the XL is better than the standard so happy enough. Brownells had a great deal on the optic ready XL slide and barrel combo so cheap option.
Good vid. Just one note about it overall - I'd worry less about showing viewers a clear gun. Now for the comparison I've noticed that the grip probably does more work than the slide cuts. I'd go for the regular XL all day and put the other money toward a custom slide, other parts, or just ammo :)
I love the honesty of this. I have a regular 365, which I haven't had a single problem with. I would like a longer barrel in a carry gun, though. I was looking at the XL, but I don't want the extra grip length. I was looking at putting an XL slide and barrel on mine, but price is almost equal to another gun. I saw this offering and thought, sell the 365 and my 938 and get this. Now, I'll just keep what I have. I love my 938, and I like having the p365 option with a 15 rounds backup.
Man, I truly appreciate this video, I am actually on the fence on upgrading my XL that I absolutely love and going with the comp but this Video made me think again, you are right thoug, maybe the spectre is the one for me. Thank you for again
Thanks for checking it out! There is also the option of buying a new grip module, the laser engraved unit like the Spectre is only $90! Maybe some custom work on the slide. Still be less money! Thanks again, come back and see us!
I have the standard P365XL and been carrying it for 2 years. I love it for a carry gun. I recently put the Wilson Combat grip module on my P365XL and its fantastic. I agree, I would not spend the extra money on the Spectre comp. To me is just a marketing selling point of we have this sweet custom shop sales tactics. Way over priced in my opinion. I''d rather save of a ton of money and go to Wilson Combat for their custom EDC guns. I've be willing to bet Wilson Combat will be coming our with their Custom P365 and I'd buy that first because Wilson Combat's P320's are roughly 1200-1500.
I definitely need to check out the WC grip module, keep hearing so many great things about it. Certainly trust anything with their name on it! Appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment!
Yeah. I BARELY noticed a difference with AE124 and S&B124 range stuff. But then I was shocked by the Federal HP 115+P+. My usual carry ammo is HST 124, but I'm going to move to the 124+P just to tame the gun and make it shoot softer than it does with regular 124...or I may just stick with that old Federal HP stuff.
Well, I’ve watched at least 8 videos on this gun and every single one except this one swears the comp is noticeable and worthwhile. I doubt they are all shills. I’m waiting until Sig or an aftermarket company introduces the comp’d slide for $399 or less and I’ll put one on my 365.. I’m sure aftermarket companies are madly programming their CNC machines right now.
Man, I wanted it to be better. Keep in mind that my review of this thing is not scientific at all. I have also seen some interesting videos where they have seen something I didn’t. There are also a few that felt the same way. Price just bothers me a lot. It may be for you, just not for me. Either way I really appreciate you checking it out, and the feedback for sure!
Indeed, though there are many folks out there that absolutely love it and believe it’s worth the upgrade. We are all different for sure! Thanks for checking it out by the way!
It’s a cash grab from Sig don’t give in. It’s cheaper to buy a 365XL and purchase a threaded barrel and thread on a compensator. And if you have a suppressor, you also have to option to thread that on. Don’t believe Sigs snake oil marketing. But if I were a Sig shareholder I would absolutely tell you to go buy it haha. Who doesn’t like money.
I just bought one today for 1,100.00 No Tax Free shipping + 25.00 FFL fee. I found it at Kentucky gun company. I was told it was their last one, & were probably not going to get more. To me it is a good price due to the modularity. The Grip module= 100.00, the barrel 250.00 & maybe the upgrade trigger 100.00- The slide I can put anywhere. In parts alone I think I came out well. I guess I will see. I have the Sig P365X and the P365 W/ Wilson combat grips. I can do many things and worth it to me. I hope I do not regret it. If I was to look at 500.00 plus tax and no ability to swap around no. A slide like this has to be worth 400.00, Just a guess. What do you think-God bless-Shawn.
If you purchased a Sig XL (500-600) and bought a Gold Tin barrel and trigger you’re gonna spend 200-250. Magwell another 30-40. Custom cuts in slide another 100-150. Compensator another 200. Its about the same price as the XL SC.
I feel like for those that say the Spectre Comp is too expensive, get the XL. For those who’s money is a non-issue. Get the Spectre Comp... That’s literally it. Can’t go wrong with either. My wife that’s the Rose edition. I have the Spectre Comp. Excellent guns. My buddy had an XL and it’s just as great.
I just got the SC, l already had the XL, I am still wondering why I did it as I agree with you, kind of made me wish I did not bought the XL first but in my case I am short with small hands they both feel great the SC feels better of course, I am not very happy what sig charges for the 3 mods to the XL, the color of barrel and trigger is irrelevant, claimed to be coated better but truth is after shooting it some it shows the wear so I do not see anything special there; the difference in color does not attracts me nor it bothers me, once I shoot both side by side I would guess would have a better informed opinion if I really threw away either $1200 or $700 that I paid for the XL first few months back. When we like firearms it is difficult to objectively talk about budget; it is what it is and upgrades are costly just because we do not have any control on the prices so we either pay it or we don't. I believe the XL to be a great gun but them they came and made it better performance with the couple mods then someone in some office which makes more than me said ok, if they want this one pay us! and that's it. Ok, I bit the hype and paid the high price, if it was the right or wrong choice only time will tell once I test them both extensively.
Hey Rody, I have owned my XL for almost 4 years. Shot and trained with it for 7k rounds. Fabulous. In a recent training, the trigger spring got torn and I have to carry a different EDC while waiting for the new spring. I’m thinking to get the SC. Have you had a chance to compare these two? I would like to know your thoughts before pressing the submit order button. The current price difference between XL & SC is around $400.
@@evanwow If you can get the SC you wont regret it, it shoots flatter, it is a small difference but you will notice. I shoot well with the XL because it fits me like a glove but then shoot even better with the SC, since I just bought the XL first and I do not really like selling firearms it will be there forever, it would have been great if I did not get it and went just for the SC, just like once I had the XL, not really need for the P365, or the Hellcat which I was considering too, I know folks like to collect all models and that is fine too but if a firearm is modular for us poor mortals would be better to just get the best they got out at the end of the experiment; it is the best way to save because once you shoot the SC you probably would not want to touch the XL again; then those $700+ in my case becomes an opss! nothing but great things to say about the SC, fitted with the Holosun HE507K red dot it will be a while before another EDC takes its place. I only alternate it with a Glock42 which I love because it is so small but between the 2 there is not really comparison; the SC wins easily. Once you get it and shoot it let me know what you think; I known some people who don't like it much but my opinion is what is not to like?!
My understanding is the comp helps more with follow up shots…if you’re going…tap…tap…tap…it’s not going to do much….you’ll see it more if you’re shooting more competition style…tap tap…tap tap tap…is it as good as a barrel mount comp as far as recoil no…is it better then an xl…yes…30% better…doubtful…the other benefits of the slide comp over the barrel is it’s not picky with ammo, it won’t come loose and you don’t have to disassemble it every time you clean it. Does that make it worth $600…if you have it and you like the gun…why not….throw an Icarus grip module and a DPM recoil spring and you’ll have the most controllable micro 9 money can buy
The "challenge coin" looks like a nice $600 card protector for a poker game. I coulda bought the Spectre Comp but went with the regular XL. Just seemed like too much more for an incremental benefit at best. But don't you lose velocity with the shorter barrel? Hickock45 says so on his channel.
Better question to ask is which ammo were you shooting? if you're shooting 115gr plinking ammo, are you going to notice the difference? Difference noted by few others was with hotter ammo. I've seen videos where they say they didn't notice the difference but their "slomo" seems to show some reduction and quicker return to zero
I mean isnt the challenge coin and certificate to deter people from building these and passing them off as factory also i think being able to maintain your sights with the optic gets overlooked
“Buy two”. :-). not bad advise. If upgrades are your thing, PMM comp and barrel is the better option. There are very good stippled grip options out there for a better price than the Spectre option, or go all out on an Icarus.
Thanks for the video. Agreed on your conclusion, if money is no object I don’t mind the spectre, it would be more expensive to get the standard p365 and upgrade everything. I’m interested in your options to the p365 you mention you have other in mind.
I have a P365XL. It is the *perfect* carry gun for me, as if it were custom made for me. For a couple slots machined into the slide, a shorter "bedazzled" P365 barrel (and giving SIG BACK the real XL barrel) and laser stippling that only requires someone wait for the machine to do it for a few minutes, and slightly less muzzle velocity.....no way is the "FANCY NAME" worth an EXTRA $600.
@@WaltherLover - I believe the 365 series of guns is phenomenal, with the modularity for people to put together the gun that works best for them; grip length, slide/barrel length, combination of components, so thin for a 9mm, etc. For some people the regular P365 is best. Others prefer the longer grip of the X while keeping the shorter slide and barrel. Just so much ability to adjust the various geometries. Now, from a business standpoint, SIG is taking advantage of all possibilities to bring in as much revenue as possible. I don't blame them. I am just not that customer.
Shorter barrel equals less velocity so decreased terminal ballistics. Directs muzzle flash upward into the shooters line of sight so increased flash blindness in low light conditions. Poor trade off for slightly decreased muzzle flip from a gun that already shoots great.
I guess Sig must know their market. I wouldn't shell out that kind of dough for those upgrades, but there are a lot of guys that spend most of their disposable income on guns and gear. : )
I felt like you did until I shot some Federal 115+P+ HP that was softer than range ammo. As was my 124gr HST +P. But when I was just shooting AE124 or S&B 124, I barely noticed any difference (not even as much as I've noticed with a threaded barrel and Griffin Micro Comp). I don't like the gold and the lightening hole, so I'd prefer to pay $100-$400 less without that stuff. For the price, it's just REALLY hard to justify it...I personally wanted an XL with an optic AND rear irons, so this was my only option (can't mill one out for irons + optic). But I think you'd be surprised shooting something super-hot through it, when it feels like a powder puff round.
PS -- the Ameriglo i-dot (SG-101) will be VERY low but the perfect height for a HS507K/Romeo0Elite. TWO OTHER MODS that I love: 1) I put WC XL grips on it, which are even better than the laser-stippled SIG OEM spectre grips. 2) I installed the "tactical trigger, LLC" kit in it--went from a good trigger to a really good trigger.
Great info, I’m definitely going to try some different loads and see what happens. I get the optic/iron situation, which is kind of a bummer, but overall it’s a great gun. Once you’re over the sticker shock I’m sure it will serve you well for years. Thanks for watching and for the feedback!
365 XL is excellent.... But I am looking for a different grip- the grip i s good- just prefer something better.... When they're less expensive....Prices are ridiculous.
How long before someone sticks a p365 barrel in the XL grip with fcu and tries someone’s comp spectre slide? I can’t wait to see these comp slides on GB for double the price. Then aftermarket ‘comp slides’ with different comp cut outs.
With the shorter barrel and ports, i believe you lose velocity.. a 9mm isnt going that fast anyways and out of the 365 comp version the velocity reduction may be negligible, but a fat perp with heavy clothes may like the comp version better that the regular 365 xl. Just my peso worth
Question about the grip texture for the standard 365xl So this may sound nasty but I get really bad dry skin and over time due to the nature of the grip texture being a little sharp and aggressive almost sandpaper like its caught a bunch of my dead skin onto the texture and I cant clean it off. If I try wiping it down with a microfiber towel nothing happens, I use a regular paper towel then small chunks of the paper towel fall out into the texture as well, I tried using just scrubbing and light water and that was no use, I even got some sticky putty to try and get those pieces out but theres no result. At the end it sounds nasty but I just have dead skin built up on the grip to the point where the grip almost looks light gray instead of black on one side. Does anybody have any advice or ideas I can use to try and clean it for getting it to look black and normal again?
Love this review! PSA has the P365XL Spectre (upgraded grip but no comp) on clearance for $799 right now -- do you think this is worth scooping, or should I pony up the extra $300 to get the comp model? Also, as a Shield 2.0 carrier, debating if I should ditch the idea and just get a Shield Plus Performance Center to stay with all my current holsters.
Thanks man, enjoyed this one! I LOVE the Spectre for $799! Joked about that with a friend just the other day. Personally that would be my choice over the Comp. I know there are people that love the Comp but I still struggle with the price difference. Though the Shields are very good, I personally prefer the Sigs shootability. Hope this helps!
@@WaltherLover thanks so much for the reply! Personally I’m just bored with my Shield and want to join the Sig family 😂 but seeing people rave over the Shield Plus PC had me about to cancel my Spectre order…
If you want to see if it makes a difference or not, why didn’t you at least shoot a Bill Drill? You talk about competition shooting, have an IDPA target in the background, but didn’t try shooting it on a shot timer? Doesn’t really make sense. Pretty easy solution to measure performance difference.
Great point Seth! Using timers at my indoor range is tricky so I don’t do it a lot, unless I can catch them at a slow time. I’m going to try and set this up again and see if I can make it happen. Thanks for the feedback!
with the video, it looks like there is a little more flip in the first two shots with the XL, but your group overall i would say is better with the XL than the Comp. like other have said, the Wilson Combat grip really is the best upgrade grip wise. i loved my Gen 1 Icarus Precision hybrid pro grip with a hogue grip pad on it, but once i put on the Wilson combat and put in a few draw strokes it really proved superior. Also i hate challenge coins including my NRAP365xl one, i really wish that fad would go away.
Every other UA-cam review I’ve seen said there was a noticeable difference and you didn’t. Either there wrong or your wrong and I think it’s the ladder.
I prefer shooting a stock model and adding-on components and features myself, as the modularity of the pistol really plays into that philosophy. 365XL ($450 in 2019) PMM Micro JTTC w/barrel ($360) Wilson Combat grip module ($65) M-Carbo short stroke trigger ($80) Total is around $955 not includig an optic, weapon light or holster. Similar price, but more personalized towards me.
Great video! Upgraded to a Romeo 5 red dot and Icarus Precision grip module with an extended mag release. Love all of it but to be honest if I had to do over on my present budget I may well go for the Wilson Combat grip module. It's cheaper and I may not have to use a Hogue sleeve to increase grip diameter.
@@christina5588 I have the older version hybrid xl pro module. Recently I have removed the hogue sleeve and am learning to grip the module in stock configuration. I really like the grip but it can be a challenge with larger hands. Don't know what I was saying before, I meant Holosun 507k not Romeo 5. Duh lol. In comparison to the stock Sig grip the diameter isn't much different but the actual shape is. The Icarus has flatter front and backstraps. Less of a "broomhandle" feel to me.
Son: I want Spectre Comp Mom: We have spectre comp at home pulls out custom P365xl with gold nitride fire control group, gold barrel, compensator, and wilson combat grip module.
I’ve probably seen 10+ videos on the 365xl spectre comp and this is the first one that said there is no difference?!?!?! I appreciate your honesty but I feel like you are in the minority.
Thanks for watching and commenting, and you are absolutely right, definitely in the minority with this opinion. Many have commented that the ammo makes a difference, may revisit that. I DO like the gun, price difference is really where my challenge with this thing is. Appreciate you watching for sure!!!
Makes no sense.If price wasn't an issue, then why on the next sentence you talk about you couldn't bring your self to pay extra. Is it a better gun or not
Yeah, but (a) you don't get rear irons, and (b) you have to mess with heating up and break through the loctite/rockset, and then using a vice to align everything whenever you want to take your barrel out (which I probably don't need to do as much as I do).
The triggers are clearly NOT identical. Even this video shows a dramatic difference.You also ignore the comp vs non-comp when saying the ONLY difference between the guns is 3.7 inch barrel vs 3.1 inch.
I have the P365 and P365XL with Wilson XL grips on both. I agree with you that the extra $600 for the comp version is not worth the money for just a good looking pistol. Invest the money on ammo as I did and shoot the crap out of them to overcome the snappy issues and your good to go. Thanks for sharing!
I like it! Invest in ammo and training, best advice ever! Thank you for watching and the great advice!!!
Bought one for my wife for Mother’s Day. Upgraded her from the sig p238 I bought her years back. Took her to the range and all her shots landed on target with her first mag. Her recoil mitigation was spot on with the built in comp. I’m a Walther fan boy. My first edc was the Walther p5 compact which I still own. After that I graduated to the first gen pdp m1 then what I was currently carrying the pdp m2. Loved everything about that pistol with the exception of mag capacity. After I shot her spectre comp I went and got one for myself as well. Love everything about the pistol except the spongy trigger when compared to the Walther. The sig is a surprisingly great little package.
I’ve always shot better with Sigs. No clue as to why.
Another relatively big difference between the guns is the optics cut. The new Spectre Comp does not need to remove the rear sights to use a red dot which can allow for co-witnessing. Everyone is different, but it was the #1 selling point for me
Excellent point! Like you said, everyone is different for sure. Great gun, just a huge gap in price.
Not that you remove the rear sights very day to replace for a red dot…😂😂😂😂brother reality is that you paid another $600 just for a name and a shorter barrel… they gotta ya.. Proven America buys what ever crap they throw at them. Every one knows there NOT 30% reduction in anything and even less in recoil. By the way in own a P365 XL and wouldn’t change it for anything in the world unless they come up with a better gun..
@UC_uDE5QEJ6P6dgyKAwVsuwQ Where I was born people don’t even have the right to buy proper food my man. I’m Cuban. And as you may know or not. In Cuba to have even a single dollar is a privilege. And I awry doubt they would spend it on a gun not that they can or wish they could so they can get rid of the regime that oppressed them. I was you I would worry more it doesn’t happens here cause it actually happening under the watch of every one and soon you won’t be able to make the choices that you see in this video.
The holosun 507k has rear co witness built in. So it works perfect on it.
New gen 2 slides on stock XL will also have that setup. Slide is already available from sig
thanks for being so honest and your opinion is greatly appreciated. I just bought a spectre comp 365 .I have yet to shoot it. after listening to you I may have not bought the spectre comp.i saw 3 reviews
and everyone raved about the gun. i am an obsessive compulsive person and instead of waiting and thinking things through I just gotta have it and get my chops busted all the time. wish I would have seen your review first.
thanks again.
I too can make some quick buying decisions so I feel your pain! DON’T REGRET IT! It’s a great gun, only got caught up on the price! You’ve already bought it so you’re over that pain, you’re probably going to love the gun!!! Enjoy it!
Thank you for giving your honest opinion. The bigger UA-camrs seem to be pushing the new stuff just cuz it's new
One thing I find interesting is that you and Sig say that the XL and Spectra Comp both weigh the same. This is strange since the dimensions are the same, but the Spectra has .6" less barrel, and the slide has lighting cuts and compensator cuts all of which should reduce the overall mass.
I thought that was strange as well. I weighed the guns separately and came up with a similar result. I think the extra weight in the Comp comes from the grip module. Thanks for checking us out!
I bought a spectre comp yesterday, a bday gift to myself. Got a deal from my friend also. If you are looking to get a comp version of a 365, it’s actually not bad since I also build out my original 365, with Zev slide, PMM micro comp barrel set, Wilson grip module… it ended up a bit over what the spectre comp cost…
Yep. Once you mill and re-coat a 365 slide to have rear irons AND buy the PMM kit, you're getting super close to the SC price...add a custom grip module, and you're there. The good thing about the ZEV slide option is you can sell your old slide and recoup some of that money...so maybe still save a few hundred.
Freeze frame at 8:13 into the video. By looking at both targets simultaneously, it's pretty clear you were more accurate using the SIG Spectre Comp as the standard P365XL. Assuming the fired ammunition was the same, I'd say the SIG Comp is certainly adding to accuracy. I've shot both models and the Spectre "compensated" version of the P365XL, to me, seems significantly "lighter" when firing, using my preferred Federal 124gr. HST ammunition. Just my opinion.
Agreed
Like the honest evaluation. I put an XL slide on my standard to help with rapid fire recovery but like the small grip for ccw. Not sure I want to spend another $500 for the comp slide (as of Feb 24) so like your shooter viewpoint. The slide and longer barrel of the XL is better than the standard so happy enough. Brownells had a great deal on the optic ready XL slide and barrel combo so cheap option.
Good vid. Just one note about it overall - I'd worry less about showing viewers a clear gun. Now for the comparison I've noticed that the grip probably does more work than the slide cuts. I'd go for the regular XL all day and put the other money toward a custom slide, other parts, or just ammo :)
seriously considering the XL. this video really helps. well done practical and honest review.
Great review. Thorough and concise
I love the honesty of this. I have a regular 365, which I haven't had a single problem with. I would like a longer barrel in a carry gun, though. I was looking at the XL, but I don't want the extra grip length. I was looking at putting an XL slide and barrel on mine, but price is almost equal to another gun. I saw this offering and thought, sell the 365 and my 938 and get this. Now, I'll just keep what I have. I love my 938, and I like having the p365 option with a 15 rounds backup.
Thanks for the video. I agree with your assessment. You could literally purchase the XL, an optic and some ammo for the cost of the comp. I’ll pass.
Optic, ammo, and a reasonably priced gun, sounds like a good day! Thanks so much for checking out the video and leaving a comment!!!
There are so many shills it's hard to get a real opinion on anything these days, so thank you for giving a real honest review!
I bought the slide and love it
I can definitely tell a difference watching the clips
Still got the 365 in the rotation however, VP9sk optics ready is primary carry for me now
appreciate the honest review...exactly the kind of review i was looking for. it never sounded like it was worth it from the getgo.
Man, I truly appreciate this video, I am actually on the fence on upgrading my XL that I absolutely love and going with the comp but this Video made me think again, you are right thoug, maybe the spectre is the one for me. Thank you for again
Thanks for checking it out! There is also the option of buying a new grip module, the laser engraved unit like the Spectre is only $90! Maybe some custom work on the slide. Still be less money! Thanks again, come back and see us!
I have the standard P365XL and been carrying it for 2 years. I love it for a carry gun. I recently put the Wilson Combat grip module on my P365XL and its fantastic. I agree, I would not spend the extra money on the Spectre comp. To me is just a marketing selling point of we have this sweet custom shop sales tactics. Way over priced in my opinion. I''d rather save of a ton of money and go to Wilson Combat for their custom EDC guns. I've be willing to bet Wilson Combat will be coming our with their Custom P365 and I'd buy that first because Wilson Combat's P320's are roughly 1200-1500.
I definitely need to check out the WC grip module, keep hearing so many great things about it. Certainly trust anything with their name on it! Appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment!
Normal range ammo is 10% reduction.
Hotter carry ammo is "up to" 30%
Yeah. I BARELY noticed a difference with AE124 and S&B124 range stuff. But then I was shocked by the Federal HP 115+P+. My usual carry ammo is HST 124, but I'm going to move to the 124+P just to tame the gun and make it shoot softer than it does with regular 124...or I may just stick with that old Federal HP stuff.
Well, I’ve watched at least 8 videos on this gun and every single one except this one swears the comp is noticeable and worthwhile. I doubt they are all shills. I’m waiting until Sig or an aftermarket company introduces the comp’d slide for $399 or less and I’ll put one on my 365.. I’m sure aftermarket companies are madly programming their CNC machines right now.
Man, I wanted it to be better. Keep in mind that my review of this thing is not scientific at all. I have also seen some interesting videos where they have seen something I didn’t. There are also a few that felt the same way. Price just bothers me a lot. It may be for you, just not for me. Either way I really appreciate you checking it out, and the feedback for sure!
Nice job, glad some gave an honest opinion I think for $200 more maybe but $600 is a lot.
$200 - $300 would be reasonable for sure! Thanks for watching!
I'll take the extra velocity and sight radius of the regular xl.
8:38
WHOA!!!!!
That’s one heck of a price gap
for minimal upgrades.
Indeed, though there are many folks out there that absolutely love it and believe it’s worth the upgrade. We are all different for sure! Thanks for checking it out by the way!
It’s a cash grab from Sig don’t give in. It’s cheaper to buy a 365XL and purchase a threaded barrel and thread on a compensator. And if you have a suppressor, you also have to option to thread that on. Don’t believe Sigs snake oil marketing. But if I were a Sig shareholder I would absolutely tell you to go buy it haha. Who doesn’t like money.
I just bought one today for 1,100.00 No Tax Free shipping + 25.00 FFL fee. I found it at Kentucky gun company. I was told it was their last one, & were probably not going to get more. To me it is a good price due to the modularity. The Grip module= 100.00, the barrel 250.00 & maybe the upgrade trigger 100.00- The slide I can put anywhere. In parts alone I think I came out well. I guess I will see. I have the Sig P365X and the P365 W/ Wilson combat grips. I can do many things and worth it to me. I hope I do not regret it. If I was to look at 500.00 plus tax and no ability to swap around no. A slide like this has to be worth 400.00, Just a guess. What do you think-God bless-Shawn.
If you purchased a Sig XL (500-600) and bought a Gold Tin barrel and trigger you’re gonna spend 200-250. Magwell another 30-40. Custom cuts in slide another 100-150. Compensator another 200.
Its about the same price as the XL SC.
I feel like for those that say the Spectre Comp is too expensive, get the XL.
For those who’s money is a non-issue. Get the Spectre Comp... That’s literally it. Can’t go wrong with either.
My wife that’s the Rose edition. I have the Spectre Comp. Excellent guns. My buddy had an XL and it’s just as great.
I just got the SC, l already had the XL, I am still wondering why I did it as I agree with you, kind of made me wish I did not bought the XL first but in my case I am short with small hands they both feel great the SC feels better of course, I am not very happy what sig charges for the 3 mods to the XL, the color of barrel and trigger is irrelevant, claimed to be coated better but truth is after shooting it some it shows the wear so I do not see anything special there; the difference in color does not attracts me nor it bothers me, once I shoot both side by side I would guess would have a better informed opinion if I really threw away either $1200 or $700 that I paid for the XL first few months back. When we like firearms it is difficult to objectively talk about budget; it is what it is and upgrades are costly just because we do not have any control on the prices so we either pay it or we don't. I believe the XL to be a great gun but them they came and made it better performance with the couple mods then someone in some office which makes more than me said ok, if they want this one pay us! and that's it. Ok, I bit the hype and paid the high price, if it was the right or wrong choice only time will tell once I test them both extensively.
Hey Rody, I have owned my XL for almost 4 years. Shot and trained with it for 7k rounds. Fabulous. In a recent training, the trigger spring got torn and I have to carry a different EDC while waiting for the new spring. I’m thinking to get the SC. Have you had a chance to compare these two? I would like to know your thoughts before pressing the submit order button. The current price difference between XL & SC is around $400.
@@evanwow If you can get the SC you wont regret it, it shoots flatter, it is a small difference but you will notice. I shoot well with the XL because it fits me like a glove but then shoot even better with the SC, since I just bought the XL first and I do not really like selling firearms it will be there forever, it would have been great if I did not get it and went just for the SC, just like once I had the XL, not really need for the P365, or the Hellcat which I was considering too, I know folks like to collect all models and that is fine too but if a firearm is modular for us poor mortals would be better to just get the best they got out at the end of the experiment; it is the best way to save because once you shoot the SC you probably would not want to touch the XL again; then those $700+ in my case becomes an opss! nothing but great things to say about the SC, fitted with the Holosun HE507K red dot it will be a while before another EDC takes its place. I only alternate it with a Glock42 which I love because it is so small but between the 2 there is not really comparison; the SC wins easily. Once you get it and shoot it let me know what you think; I known some people who don't like it much but my opinion is what is not to like?!
I am waiting to see a guy to put a regular 365 barrel in an xl and cut their slide to make a comp, I also wonder if it would work!
My understanding is the comp helps more with follow up shots…if you’re going…tap…tap…tap…it’s not going to do much….you’ll see it more if you’re shooting more competition style…tap tap…tap tap tap…is it as good as a barrel mount comp as far as recoil no…is it better then an xl…yes…30% better…doubtful…the other benefits of the slide comp over the barrel is it’s not picky with ammo, it won’t come loose and you don’t have to disassemble it every time you clean it. Does that make it worth $600…if you have it and you like the gun…why not….throw an Icarus grip module and a DPM recoil spring and you’ll have the most controllable micro 9 money can buy
The "challenge coin" looks like a nice $600 card protector for a poker game. I coulda bought the Spectre Comp but went with the regular XL. Just seemed like too much more for an incremental benefit at best. But don't you lose velocity with the shorter barrel? Hickock45 says so on his channel.
Better question to ask is which ammo were you shooting?
if you're shooting 115gr plinking ammo, are you going to notice the difference? Difference noted by few others was with hotter ammo. I've seen videos where they say they didn't notice the difference but their "slomo" seems to show some reduction and quicker return to zero
I mean isnt the challenge coin and certificate to deter people from building these and passing them off as factory also i think being able to maintain your sights with the optic gets overlooked
“Buy two”. :-). not bad advise. If upgrades are your thing, PMM comp and barrel is the better option. There are very good stippled grip options out there for a better price than the Spectre option, or go all out on an Icarus.
Thanks for the video. Agreed on your conclusion, if money is no object I don’t mind the spectre, it would be more expensive to get the standard p365 and upgrade everything. I’m interested in your options to the p365 you mention you have other in mind.
I have a P365XL. It is the *perfect* carry gun for me, as if it were custom made for me. For a couple slots machined into the slide, a shorter "bedazzled" P365 barrel (and giving SIG BACK the real XL barrel) and laser stippling that only requires someone wait for the machine to do it for a few minutes, and slightly less muzzle velocity.....no way is the "FANCY NAME" worth an EXTRA $600.
Bedazzled! Lol! Love it! No doubt Sig is on to something for sure with the P365XL! Thanks for watching and taking the time to share some thoughts!
@@WaltherLover - I believe the 365 series of guns is phenomenal, with the modularity for people to put together the gun that works best for them; grip length, slide/barrel length, combination of components, so thin for a 9mm, etc. For some people the regular P365 is best. Others prefer the longer grip of the X while keeping the shorter slide and barrel. Just so much ability to adjust the various geometries. Now, from a business standpoint, SIG is taking advantage of all possibilities to bring in as much revenue as possible. I don't blame them. I am just not that customer.
For the same cost u can get the p365x + Icurus lower + PMM build. This a more added value.
Exactly! Glad to see people turning their brain on when it comes to these voodoo tactics.
Thank you for being honest
Thanks for appreciating the honesty, some folks aren’t happy with me over this one!!!
Shorter barrel equals less velocity so decreased terminal ballistics. Directs muzzle flash upward into the shooters line of sight so increased flash blindness in low light conditions. Poor trade off for slightly decreased muzzle flip from a gun that already shoots great.
WAY over exagerated.
I guess Sig must know their market. I wouldn't shell out that kind of dough for those upgrades, but there are a lot of guys that spend most of their disposable income on guns and gear. : )
I noticed the difference (on the reg xl) when I added the Wilson Combat grip
Haven’t shot with that grip but it looks amazing!
Thanks for the video, I appreciate your review 6
Thanks for checking it out!
I felt like you did until I shot some Federal 115+P+ HP that was softer than range ammo. As was my 124gr HST +P. But when I was just shooting AE124 or S&B 124, I barely noticed any difference (not even as much as I've noticed with a threaded barrel and Griffin Micro Comp). I don't like the gold and the lightening hole, so I'd prefer to pay $100-$400 less without that stuff.
For the price, it's just REALLY hard to justify it...I personally wanted an XL with an optic AND rear irons, so this was my only option (can't mill one out for irons + optic). But I think you'd be surprised shooting something super-hot through it, when it feels like a powder puff round.
PS -- the Ameriglo i-dot (SG-101) will be VERY low but the perfect height for a HS507K/Romeo0Elite.
TWO OTHER MODS that I love:
1) I put WC XL grips on it, which are even better than the laser-stippled SIG OEM spectre grips.
2) I installed the "tactical trigger, LLC" kit in it--went from a good trigger to a really good trigger.
Great info, I’m definitely going to try some different loads and see what happens. I get the optic/iron situation, which is kind of a bummer, but overall it’s a great gun. Once you’re over the sticker shock I’m sure it will serve you well for years. Thanks for watching and for the feedback!
365 XL is excellent.... But I am looking for a different grip- the grip i s good- just prefer something better.... When they're less expensive....Prices are ridiculous.
I put a Wilson combat grip on my 365xl. I’ll stick with what I’ve got. I bet that gold barrel is hard to clean.
How long before someone sticks a p365 barrel in the XL grip with fcu and tries someone’s comp spectre slide?
I can’t wait to see these comp slides on GB for double the price.
Then aftermarket ‘comp slides’ with different comp cut outs.
That’s a beautiful coin!
Absolutely gorgeous!
why didnt they leave the redo option like the spectre, wsh i could of kept the back sight.
I’m a big Walther fan too. How about a review on the new type F 9mm?
We are working on it buddy! Get it done for you as soon as possible! Thanks for checking us out!
Wake me when you're done clearing the guns.
Lol, I get it man, just trying to demonstrate safety for all of the gun critics out there.
With the shorter barrel and ports, i believe you lose velocity.. a 9mm isnt going that fast anyways and out of the 365 comp version the velocity reduction may be negligible, but a fat perp with heavy clothes may like the comp version better that the regular 365 xl. Just my peso worth
maybe those who pay the extra $600.00 talk themselves into less recoil with the spectre comp. Ya think?
Thanks for a great video.
That may be the case my friend! Really appreciate you checking us out and leaving a comment!!!
Question about the grip texture for the standard 365xl So this may sound nasty but I get really bad dry skin and over time due to the nature of the grip texture being a little sharp and aggressive almost sandpaper like its caught a bunch of my dead skin onto the texture and I cant clean it off. If I try wiping it down with a microfiber towel nothing happens, I use a regular paper towel then small chunks of the paper towel fall out into the texture as well, I tried using just scrubbing and light water and that was no use, I even got some sticky putty to try and get those pieces out but theres no result. At the end it sounds nasty but I just have dead skin built up on the grip to the point where the grip almost looks light gray instead of black on one side. Does anybody have any advice or ideas I can use to try and clean it for getting it to look black and normal again?
I’m sure you’d notice the difference with +P+ ammo
Well, what about the x Macro
Nice comparison!! How do you think a ported barrel/slide P365xl would compare to the P365XL Spectre Comp?
Thanks for the feedback! I would imagine they would be very similar, though I like the 365XL stock. Great EDC.
When is Walther going to come out with something similar?? Maybe like one in 30 super carry
Would love to see an update to the PPS. The PDP 3.5 that just came out is close, still a tad big for EDC. Thanks for watching!
By the time you add all the extras to the stock gun you would spend the same or even more.
Love this review! PSA has the P365XL Spectre (upgraded grip but no comp) on clearance for $799 right now -- do you think this is worth scooping, or should I pony up the extra $300 to get the comp model?
Also, as a Shield 2.0 carrier, debating if I should ditch the idea and just get a Shield Plus Performance Center to stay with all my current holsters.
Thanks man, enjoyed this one! I LOVE the Spectre for $799! Joked about that with a friend just the other day. Personally that would be my choice over the Comp. I know there are people that love the Comp but I still struggle with the price difference.
Though the Shields are very good, I personally prefer the Sigs shootability. Hope this helps!
@@WaltherLover thanks so much for the reply! Personally I’m just bored with my Shield and want to join the Sig family 😂 but seeing people rave over the Shield Plus PC had me about to cancel my Spectre order…
WL the sigp365xl Spector comp does it have magazine release safety
If you want to see if it makes a difference or not, why didn’t you at least shoot a Bill Drill? You talk about competition shooting, have an IDPA target in the background, but didn’t try shooting it on a shot timer? Doesn’t really make sense. Pretty easy solution to measure performance difference.
Great point Seth! Using timers at my indoor range is tricky so I don’t do it a lot, unless I can catch them at a slow time. I’m going to try and set this up again and see if I can make it happen. Thanks for the feedback!
so how is it different than my ported 365. Size of grip, and longer slide?
with the video, it looks like there is a little more flip in the first two shots with the XL, but your group overall i would say is better with the XL than the Comp. like other have said, the Wilson Combat grip really is the best upgrade grip wise. i loved my Gen 1 Icarus Precision hybrid pro grip with a hogue grip pad on it, but once i put on the Wilson combat and put in a few draw strokes it really proved superior.
Also i hate challenge coins including my NRAP365xl one, i really wish that fad would go away.
Agree on the coin completely brother! The Wilson modules are definitely one of my favorites! Thanks so much for watching!
Such a shame they didn’t put a slide release for lefty’s 😞 otherwise I would have purchased it.
Every other UA-cam review I’ve seen said there was a noticeable difference and you didn’t. Either there wrong or your wrong and I think it’s the ladder.
the recoil looks like a big difference
Atleast 1 inch of recoil mitigation. My wife never complained about an inch😘
Definitely a bit of a difference, but is it a $600 difference? Biggest struggle for me is the price for sure. Thanks so much for checking us out!
Great video!!! I will hold out for the 365 legion. Haha maybe one day 🤞🤞🤞
365 Legion!!! I’m not Mr Sig but man that would be an amazing firearm!!! Thanks so much for the feedback and for watching!
Seems like the serrations on the Spectre aren't very effective. I saw you slip there.
Saw that did you? Lol! Serrations aren't bad, sometimes I'm just stupid! Thanks for watching!
I prefer shooting a stock model and adding-on components and features myself, as the modularity of the pistol really plays into that philosophy.
365XL ($450 in 2019)
PMM Micro JTTC w/barrel ($360)
Wilson Combat grip module ($65)
M-Carbo short stroke trigger ($80)
Total is around $955 not includig an optic, weapon light or holster. Similar price, but more personalized towards me.
Agreed, and Sig has done such a good job allowing folks to do that. Thanks so much for watching!
Better grip crappy slide serrations, ill stick with my xl and new macro module with 17 rd mags.
If you had a choice would you go p320spectre , or p365 spectre comp ? Anyone thanks
For me 320 for sure, fits me better. And I’m a huge fan of the Spectre series! Thanks for watching!
Great video! Upgraded to a Romeo 5 red dot and Icarus Precision grip module with an extended mag release. Love all of it but to be honest if I had to do over on my present budget I may well go for the Wilson Combat grip module. It's cheaper and I may not have to use a Hogue sleeve to increase grip diameter.
Thanks for checking this out! I like the Icarus grip module a lot, and the Romeo dots are pretty darn awesome!
Wilson combat on my 365, well worth the very modest price.
Thomas do you need a hogue sleeve to increase the grip diameter on the Icarus? If so which module do you have?
@@christina5588 I have the older version hybrid xl pro module. Recently I have removed the hogue sleeve and am learning to grip the module in stock configuration. I really like the grip but it can be a challenge with larger hands. Don't know what I was saying before, I meant Holosun 507k not Romeo 5. Duh lol. In comparison to the stock Sig grip the diameter isn't much different but the actual shape is. The Icarus has flatter front and backstraps. Less of a "broomhandle" feel to me.
Thanks for saving me a lot of $$$$.
Do you know if we can just purchase the slide?
Haven’t seen them, and would also need the shorter barrel to make it work. Thanks for watching!
Son: I want Spectre Comp
Mom: We have spectre comp at home
pulls out custom P365xl with gold nitride fire control group, gold barrel, compensator, and wilson combat grip module.
Not worth it. Also, shorter barrel means, less velocity. On 9mm, I rather have higher velocity.
I’ve probably seen 10+ videos on the 365xl spectre comp and this is the first one that said there is no difference?!?!?! I appreciate your honesty but I feel like you are in the minority.
Thanks for watching and commenting, and you are absolutely right, definitely in the minority with this opinion. Many have commented that the ammo makes a difference, may revisit that. I DO like the gun, price difference is really where my challenge with this thing is. Appreciate you watching for sure!!!
Makes no sense.If price wasn't an issue, then why on the next sentence you talk about you couldn't bring your self to pay extra. Is it a better gun or not
Sorry for the confusion, point was, even if money was no issue, still wouldn’t want to pay that much for it. Don’t believe it’s truly better.
Hell nah it’s cheaper to buy a threaded barrel and put a comp on it. And also have the option to put a suppressor.
Like the way you think sir! Thanks for checking us out!
Yeah, but (a) you don't get rear irons, and (b) you have to mess with heating up and break through the loctite/rockset, and then using a vice to align everything whenever you want to take your barrel out (which I probably don't need to do as much as I do).
@@joeflowers9084 never had a problem.
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Saw that did you? Lol! Thought for sure there was a mag in there! Thanks for watching!
@@WaltherLover fashoo brotha! lovin the content!
The triggers are clearly NOT identical. Even this video shows a dramatic difference.You also ignore the comp vs non-comp when saying the ONLY difference between the guns is 3.7 inch barrel vs 3.1 inch.