As a professional videographer, this is hands down the best looking footage I've ever seen on gun tube. You lads are killing it right now, Micah's grades are peng💪
I love this style of combining the cinematic intro, range session with the bois (bill drill and Mozambique particularly), and the Blackground review classic, please keep em coming, makes everybody happy, myself included. Proud to support you, dude.
Love the intro. Who ever picks the music is doing a spectacular job. Charlie keeps it entertaining. GT does a great job of explaining and telling practical uses. Micha’s comments are nice and timely to add to the conversation.
@@GarandThumb you guys are definitely complimentary and supplementary. Not just three dudes who agree on everything. One of my favs. I truly thank you.
Love the format... you get the full crew fun at the beginning, the testing in the middle, and the classic review and in depth 1 on 1 at the end. Its best of all worlds that checks all the GT boxes.
I think one thing missed here is the conversation of "why this over a regular pistol?" It's generally going to be way easier and require a lot less training to hit at a moderate distance with a Raider than a pistol. Brass Facts did a really good review on the Raider that goes over this.
I think the better question is why this over a mp5k (clone). The only advantage I see is weight, which I won't deny is a factor for a backpack gun, but every other checkbox (capacity, reliability, accuracy, etc.) seems to go in favor of the k.
@@just-some-dude availability, price, concealable size, modularity (swap it back to a P320 for CCW), weight, parts, capacity (double the mags in the grip), shootability (easier to fire, change targets, and maneuver). Flux wins hands down and for half the price or less.
@@thunderofgr Availability is a *huge* win for the mp5k clone. That flux raider has been in short supply for the past 2 years. Concealable size appears to be pretty much the same (with the pdw style stock on the mp5k). If a part on the flux raider broke, there is one source. If a part on the mp5k clone broke there is 60 years worth of supply chain built up. Shootability... the fact that you think the flux raider is easier to shoot tells me that you have never shot an mp5k. There is no contest. The roller delayed design of the mp5 is the reason it's been around for 60 years and is still popular. Modularity, sure I'll agree with that. But you can't take that P320 across state lines anymore without notifying the ATF if you SBR it (can't do that after SBR'ing the mp5k either). Capacity I'd grant you, though there are 40 round mags for the mp5k, but if you're keeping it compact you'd want to use the shorter mags. And then there is price. I can get a MKE or Zenith mp5k clone for right around a thousand, with another 200 for a good pdw style stock. Or I can spend 700 on a flux raider with a charging handle, and 600 for a full size P320. I'd call that a draw at absolute best. I don't hate the flux raider. I have looked at it, seriously, and weighed it against the mp5k long before writing this response. I like the concept, but I've never been able to justify the purchase. To be fair, as the owner of a standard size mp5 clone, I've also never been able to justify the purchase of an mp5k. But if I had a true *need* for that form factor, I think I'd likely pick the mp5k.
@@BarrackObamna I like mine but I have had it for well over a year now. Though, The OPs idea that you are going to keep the raider chassis in your bag and then switch it over is dumb as dirt.
@@thomgizziz basically. I could see this being useful in two scenarios: 1. Asset protection where formal wear is required (or cold weather) 2. Keeping it in your vehicle with some extra mags/bug out bag in the event you can’t get home to acquire your rifle and only have whatever you’re carrying that day (and full blown s has hit the fan). Essentially worse case scenario that you can’t get home for, but have time to get to your car and get out of town. And assuming you don’t carry a rifle in your vehicle. Super niche. This WONT replace a rifle in the slightest, but if you don’t have access to anything else, something like this could pose as a nice addition if you have to go overt. Any other ideas?
@@375Cheytac i think if you already have a sig that runs the same mags as your daily carry having a flux raider as a pcc for home defense where you have a more stable platform that takes the mags youve already got. If thats the first 2 firearms youve got and you live in an apartment or have neighbors super close by. I can definitely see the draw.
I've been watching your channel for a long time now, and it's actually very cool to see how you've developed. You used to give off a vibe of discomfort while doing black-screen reviews. Now you look extremely confident. This channel just keeps getting better and better. Also... Charlie and Micah are indispensable characters. Keep up the great work, guys!
i gotta say... GarandThumb your intro's are the best hands down!! especially with the music selection! amazing music is always in your intros and whoever picks them is doing good for the channel.
Portland Tranny employee here, we appreciate the shout-out! We are just a parts supplier, curious who the shop that did your work was? We might have to make a new run of those hats, funny enough we weren't going to do more camo... guess we will now!
Or our worst nightmare as the ATF is getting kitted up to kick in your door at 03:00 for having a SBR sans Tax Stamp. Hopefully your 3 Doberman Pincers have been trained to bite them in the groin. While you grab your 7.62 x 51 loaded with black tips. Cheers
But i just cant shake the feeling that… the mp9 fills that same exact role just better… i own a tp9 and with a stock and grip THAT I DO NOT HAVE ON THE FIREARM IN MINECRAFT… the tp9 is a excellent tiny little package just more comfortable… or the mp7… or the mp5k. HOWEVER I think this chassis is A EXCELLENT OPTION FOR CIVILIANS i just want to bring attention that it does have competition
Air Force now has a cut down M4 that splits in half at the barrel nut. Fits in the survival kit with 4 mags. Definitely a step up from an M9 lol Meanwhile, because they have bullpups, British Apache crews roll with 5.56 L22 carbines.
I carry in a small sling bag, the hardest part is explaining to fudds and meal team six why off the body carry is very much viable lol Glock 19 with a recover tactical frame, basically a flux raider “at home” version. Glad to see Dr Flannel has the same prescription. 🎩👌🏼
@josephroach9793 Well that depends, a bunch of them are not (the ones that are tend to be really flimsy like the recover tactical) and they all have folding stocks which makes it much wider and awkwardly shaped. Have you ever tried storing anything with a folding stock? Clearly not. The smaller place you try to put it in the more cumbersome it gets. These are the types of guns I like carrying and have focused on the most. I have had a few of the pistol conversion types and then a few PCC PDWs all as small and light as possible and I have tried many many more at the range. If you want as small, full featured and light as possible the raider is about the best that you are going to do for most people right now. If you are willing to compromise on weight then you have some options like the b&t tp9. However, once you start getting up to 5-6 lbs and the guns in the 15"+ over all length then I'd just rather jump up to a SBR or a RCP (rifle caliber pistol).
The quality of your intros (to speak only of that) is absolutely incredible. The slowmo, the music, the staging Even Charles looks dramatic, that’s saying something!
I have a Flux Raider SBR and a MPX SBR. I also have pretty extensive experience with a MP5 and a B&T MP9. After shooting these in competition, on the range, and in sim scenarios a few things became apparent. The Flux and the MP9 are very maneuverable but a bit harder to shoot when compared to the other 2. The MPX is by far the easiest to shoot well. The MP5 is a close second, but the manual of arms is ridiculous. I have a pretty difficult Rifle assessment that I’ve shot all these in, and the MPX shines when shooting timed/scored drills. The Flux and the MP9 are much more practical. The size and weight are much smaller than the larger SMGs, but the performance far exceeds a pistol. The MPX/MP5 sized guns are basically the same size as a MK18 in 5.56. The size of these small SBRs allow them to be used in situations where rifles are impractical, and you would otherwise only have a pistol. I can make pretty fast hits in the A zone out to 50, and I can make hits on a man-sized target out to around 150 if I can go prone. If you are planning on using one of these in confined spaces or out of a vehicle, I suggest considering the Flux.
I have an old p320 subcompact that I haven't touched in a long time except for cleaning, oil, etc Can I just drop the fire control in this and use the same slide? Or can I or should I buy a longer slide for this setup? Sorry. I haven't been much of a gun guy in a few years.
I have always been a big fan of the backpack gun, it definitely is not always the easiest to carry something on your waist, especially when hiking, or going to a park like you said.
Sweet review. I bought a bare bones P320 years ago to familiarize myself with the platform around the time of the military adoption. Although I did love so much about the weapon, I never tricked it out because I moved on with other weapon builds. Everyone that I've handed the weapon over to during practice loves the way it feels, I just never put any money into it besides a custom grip and some high-cap mags. But behold! My stepchild p320 is lookin' spicy again and we may need to catch up over a few rounds and learn some new tricks.
I broke down and bought a flux raider after al the hype and I am having the same realization. It's super portable, modular; and capable. It's probably worth noting you're in it $1000 for the chases and the gun, another $200 for charging handle and gas pedal, and another $250 for a threaded barrel and comp.(we opted to have suppressor option to threaded barrel). With an optic you're looking at a $2000+ PCC that really just has unmatched weight to performance. The dedicated chassis vs a "drop in" for a Glock makes the mechanics of it just better. Excited to do our review now that I've seen yours! (also PLeasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease on collab video)
@@DeskPop yeah not sure the legality here in Hawai’i aka Commifornia-lite. I know the CAA micro-roni was because it was light enough not sure with AFT’s brace 💩
@@Z3R0NU11I think he might actually be mentally deficient. He has nearly 50 comments on Thumb's videos, and I don't think he understands that all comments, even negative ones, increase the video's reach.
I recently built an awesome 9mm pcc AR platform that is becoming my new favorite gun to shoot simply because of how easy it is to shoot and how damn accurate I’m able to shoot it. I bought a complete 9mm 10.5 inch upper from Faxon firearms and then I put together a aero precision glock mag lower with a sb tactical pdw brace along with a holosun He501ct solar red dot on a mount from scalarworks, swapped out the faxon bolt carrier group for a nickel boron fail zero bcg, and the timney 2 stage trigger. She’s an awesome little pcc for sure and didn’t cost a ton of money to build. I’ve recently installed a lot of those upgrade parts but when I first built it and it had the stock bcg and trigger and if you minus the optic and mount this gun can be had for right around 1000 to 1200 bucks depending on if you get a cheaper brace than the Sb pdw brace for a sba3 or kak brace you can save a few hundred bucks or you can get a complete upper from psa for cheaper if you want and still have a sick little pcc ar9 for much less than most complete guns on the market right now with better parts of your likening
Some other cool features not mentioned in the video: iron sight are still usable in case optic fails and there is a small battery compartment in the brace for a 2032 sized battery
I have the B&T USW G. I got it as a plinking toy and it has definitely turned into one of my favorite systems I have. I would recommend the A3 stock to replace the Spatula stock.
@@ianaurilin2727 Yea I agree. We basically live under corporate and medical tyranny. I wonder how many rights have to be taken away from us and how many elections have to stolen before so called conservatives stop being pussies and use the guns. All talk no action. Keep fighting the good fight though lol.
I think this is the best overall gun channel. It's fun, it's serious, it's edgy, it's tame, has goofy tards who are good friends and family men, and loads of educational information. I hope y'all continue on succeeding and being yourselves.
I have the same barrel. I bought some lighter recoil springs just in case to tune to HST rounds. Don't mind it being finnicky with plinking ammo, but it must absolutely work well with duty ammo
I 3d printed the fns crusader pdw to go with my fns 40l, I absolutely love it. The stability and ability to still conceal is miles ahead of other PCCs imo.
@@F3d3xdad What are you talking about? The micro roni requires glock frames, this requires the p320. I have used both the micro roni is bulky and heavier the two things that you really don't want if you are looking to do something like this. The roni is another option but it misses on most of the features that people would want.
@@thomgizziz the mck is available for several brands of pistols. It fits if a small bag so idk what bulk you speak of. What options is it missing? That the Flux has
Would have been cool to compare the Flux to early 1900s stocked pistols and/or relate it to the concept of things like the Artillery Luger. I wish you'd touched how the concept has been around for a long time, but the NFA has made it difficult to own stocked pistols.
I've been running this setup for a while as a backpack gun (I have a strike industry chassis). It hasn't replaced my appendix carry. But it's so easy to throw it in a small Vertx sling back and go. Think about the distances your find in grocery and big box stores. You will quickly find distances you wouldn't try with a pistol. This setup is genuinely a force multiplier. I really have no excuse to not have a shoulder-able weapon now. I also think this makes a great home defense weapon, especially for weaker shooters.
Ben (owner of Flux) is a super cool guy. The Raider is an impressive platform. A few of our guys have them and have been running them through the ringer for a year now. Great review as always GT! Our's will be coming soon.
I was wondering if Garand would ever cover this accessory. I have an M18, but I am hesistant on getting the chassis for it. I have an FX9 Ordnance for my PCC. Appreciate the S-Tier content on this channel brother!
@@thunderofgr What is your experience with it? Most of the time, the thing is sold out. There is another version of it (can't recall the name), but I've been tempted to get one. Is it really that good and/or versatile?
They changed suppliers and now are regularly in stock. I’m sure with this video exploding, they’ll be out for a month or so. It’s absolutely worth every penny. Brass Facts has a far more in depth video covering how it redefines and recreates the name of PDW. Far more than a worthless PCC, it’s a true pistol-sized weapon that pops into a rifle-style firearm when you need to go to work with it. I have an entire concealed laptop bag that it lives in with medical kits and (soon) a level 4 plate to act as an active shooter response kit. In short, it’s a game changer. @@marcusfenix9534
The flux defense "Raider" variant used to be for the large form factor glock 20 in 10mm or the 45ACP glock. I was on the email list waiting for them to be in stock for around 3 years. I think last month is when i got the email "Raiders are back in stock" only for them to be completely incompatible with Glock. And they have no ETA on when they will be making the glock braces. Needless to say I feel schmeckeldorphed.
We lost our MFG for the Glock versions in the middle of a production run, sorry dude. We did have a good discussion this week on revitalizing it, we shall see.
I looked into buying this for my p320 but they didn’t have any in stock at the time. I went with the FCU X01 chassis and very happy with it. Have not run it hard but it’s an awesome chassis! I put a forward blast device which made a world of difference. I’ve built it to have 52 rounds at my disposal but with two more 21’s I can go to 64 on chassis. The X01 is a heavy unit so makes a great bagger.
Thanks for coming out to the Idaho Capitol yesterday. I've been watching you since the beginning of this channel. It was pretty awesome to meet you in person!
@@KSHOW13 I use an omega 9 k exclusively on mine. The barrel threading ends outside of the slide. So the piston reaches the ends of the threads and there is about a 4mm distance from the guide rod to the suppressor when locked back. I’ve ran 3 USPSA type action pistol matches with mine as a PCC suppressed in that configuration a few months ago and it was fine for all 350-ish rounds.
Very entertaining, once again. Thanks for great content. Why not a vid on Recover Tactical brace? They got one for almost every common handgun design now, not just glocks. Very efficient and effective pieces of polymer. Micah should know who they are 😂
I used a KelTec Sub2000 as a travel weapon. It gives me more than a pistol in a bag that normally can only have a pistol. If this thing was availably when I got the sub2000, I might had picked this over the Sub2000. It is even more compact, and deploys even faster, and it costs...more but not by a ton. It is lighter as well, which is saying something. Also it looks cooler, ha.
@@KonaLife I used to have a Gen 1. Fired about 1000 rounds though it before giving it away to someone. Center pin/bolt worked loss and had to be retightened. No malfunctions. My current Gen 2 rifle I have fired about...2000ish rounds with no malfunctions. Seems reliable to me. Would had fired more but I got even more poor and can not afford to blow a lot of ammo these days, ha.
Idk man….. idk if I’d call it more than a pistol….. (but I’m an exceptionally good shot with a good pistol) I’d take a 5.5” Walther Q5 match with a red dot and weapon light over a sub 2000. I was intrigued by the sub2000 until I shot one and realized just like all of keltec they had a cool idea that just suffered during production/execution. And this was keltecs best idea IMHO I really wanted it to be good because the idea is sound.
@@zackzittel7683 Mine seems rather well build, BUT I do agree with you that the ideas at KelTec outperform their manufacturing capability. I would defiantly prefer the Sub2000 over a pistol. It is a rifle after all. A lot more points of contact. That Q5 is very nice though. Trigger seemed a bit strange to me at first but once I had a magazine though it, I understood. IT is one of the more accurate pistols I have shot, not including some special competition set-ups.
The absolute best platform for size is a M11-9 (MAC in 9mm) with a silencer. It is by far the most compact platform out there and can be made at home. You can also swap the barrel for a homemade 22TCM and now you have "MP7 at home". Except it is more powerful and smaller than an MP7. 3D printing has made it now where you can make a M11 without having to know how to weld or bend sheet metal. MPA also now sells uppers too so you don't even need to know how to use a lathe anymore.
Been there done that. The loss of a parent is truly an overwhelming experience. It fucking sucks brother. But time is a great healer, I promise. Stay strong, but it's ok to have an off day. Make him proud mate 🫡.
You definitely do not take the slide stop out to take out the FCG (fire control group). It's the takedown pin. You rotate it and pull it out. The slide stop is clearly visibly ambidextrous and looks similar to basically every semi-auto handgun. Just wanted to keep you honest. Very good review. Great content. "Ammo is..." "Provided by Norma" xD
Would love to see this compared to a Recover Tactical 20/20. A P80 G34 with a Riton PRD in a 20/80 is my “bump in the night” gun. I built the pistol for $400, $170 for the sight, and got the Brace on a Black Friday sale for $60. All in all it’s pretty nice for under $650. Plus the folding 20/20 pops off and converts back to a normal pistol in under a minute. It has a Ghost disconnector and spring kit and can really rip. I like it so well I got the 20/21 for my 460 Rowland G21
I've used both. The Recover feels flimsy compared to the flux and the reciprocating sight is not something that I liked much. It is more difficult to stow away and get out because things really really like to get caught on that brace. It isn't terrible and I wouldn't tell you to buy the raider because you don't carry it around much and it doesn't seem like you are itching to spend more money on something that wouldn't really improve your use case.
Samething is about to happend with the ammo again. Prepper channels and guntuber merchants just have to say jump...and the PAAAAAY-triots say "How High"
Mike mentioning France is one of the biggest examples of why you guys over the pond have to keep fighting and supporting the 2A community, most of us this side literally have no opportunity of defence. To any US folks who don’t know how bad the UK is for instance, we’re not even allowed to defend a two story home unless the aggravator comes to the 2nd floor, any 1st floor resistance can lead to us being prosecuted
Brit, and reluctant ex firearm owner here. Also somewhat ambivalent to the "French" argument. Sure the good guy with a gun scenario would have put a stop to it, but on the other hand, if the bad guy had the raider he'd have had 42 9mm rounds without even opening a backpack to get more and then the situation could have been even worse.
@@owensparks5013 the gentleman in France was an ‘asylum’ seeker, the right to bear arms should only be for citizens which could potentially lead to an everyday citizen becoming psychotic and rampaging but less likely than an enraged immigrant legal or not, the point is, even if something like this was available for that idiot, at least the people in the park would have had the right to defend themselves and act accordingly
@mattashby1391 Thanks for the reply, it's nice to have a well reasoned discussion, as opposed to the usual yt keyboard warrior stuff. 👍 In the UK, we had two mass shootings. Both, unfortunately, by legally held and registered users. (One user had been reported to the police as unfit to hold the certificate by his own club, but justice moved too slowly.) The first resulted in the smaller magazines route, and the second killed the sport. I appreciate it's a totally different scenario in the US, though.
I came here after THE most UNHINGED and beautiful ad I have ever seen in my life.
Me too! Yeah it was great
@@garybuck6535 Hey same !
Why unhinged?
@@federicoguinand9451 did you watch it?
What ad?
This channel has come so far. I remember when Mike was clean shaved, no ink and just did cock ring reviews.
how far we have come
@@GarandThumbwe need the cock ring reviews back
All the way onto the ceiling
Depends on the ring gauge, it's said tight holes lead to tight groupings
@@GarandThumbshot past Saturn straight into Uran…😂really really far lol.
After years of HRT and many surgeries, my pistol now identifies as a PCC. With no binary trigger existing for her, it is truly non binary.
Holy shit, your pistol was Hostage Rescue Team pre-op?
Pistols are pistols and PCCs are PCCs. It’s basic gunsmithing. This gun is just delusional.
@@jeffbo8748 your just a flux raider phobe
Lmao. Hilarious
For "it" not "her", be woke bro. 😅
As a professional videographer, this is hands down the best looking footage I've ever seen on gun tube. You lads are killing it right now, Micah's grades are peng💪
Not too dark… or is it my screen?
It's a bit dark on my £1400 OLED but that's a me problem @@UA-camuser1aa
Yea gotta be ur screen dawg lol@@UA-camuser1aa
@@UA-camuser1aaprobably your screen. Looks fine to me
The lens does most of the work
I love this style of combining the cinematic intro, range session with the bois (bill drill and Mozambique particularly), and the Blackground review classic, please keep em coming, makes everybody happy, myself included. Proud to support you, dude.
Out of all the PCC concepts there are out there, this is easily one of them.
easily one of the of all time
Pistol Caliber Carbine, friend, just think shorter rifle with a 9mm, .45, or other pistol caliber cartridge.
I just accidentally a whole PCC, is this bad?
RAD@@GarandThumb
@@GarandThumb I had an aneurism reading this.
Love the intro. Who ever picks the music is doing a spectacular job. Charlie keeps it entertaining. GT does a great job of explaining and telling practical uses. Micha’s comments are nice and timely to add to the conversation.
Thanks 👍 its a good team!
@@GarandThumb you guys are definitely complimentary and supplementary. Not just three dudes who agree on everything. One of my favs. I truly thank you.
I liked the comedic and funny intros but the shoot while looking cool intros aren't bad either.
I can survive another week with a Sunday dose of Dr. Charles.@@GarandThumb
Teamwork makes the dream work 👍
I watch on 2x for that extra rate of fire.
ATF after watching this at 2x : *someone revoke his license*
This comment made my day. Fucking hilarious 😭😭😭😭
Excellent
I prefer the half speed, sounds like an ac130 autocannon lol
Besides the fact that this kit makes the gun looks like a Titanfall weapon, it really is a nice kit to have for cramped spaces.
Hostile Titanfall detected.
and you can 3d print it
My Titanfall 3 Wishlist:
1. Please
@@sgtmoose1942 SPEED IS LIFE
TOO BAD theyre fucking impossible to buy. . ANYWHERE
Love the format... you get the full crew fun at the beginning, the testing in the middle, and the classic review and in depth 1 on 1 at the end. Its best of all worlds that checks all the GT boxes.
If you’ve ever missed Garand Thumb asking you if you’ve ever done something, hit that like button
I fucking absolutely love that mike and Micah have channels it’s like we never run out of content
Where's Charly's tho?
@@Darwaellin the desert snorting girls 😂
@@_Azur or desert anime girls.
Don't forget Aaron/Admin/clone
I think one thing missed here is the conversation of "why this over a regular pistol?" It's generally going to be way easier and require a lot less training to hit at a moderate distance with a Raider than a pistol. Brass Facts did a really good review on the Raider that goes over this.
Good shit
I think the better question is why this over a mp5k (clone). The only advantage I see is weight, which I won't deny is a factor for a backpack gun, but every other checkbox (capacity, reliability, accuracy, etc.) seems to go in favor of the k.
Raider wins in Size, less maintenance, magazine holder, and the stock/brace popout is unbeatable
@@just-some-dude availability, price, concealable size, modularity (swap it back to a P320 for CCW), weight, parts, capacity (double the mags in the grip), shootability (easier to fire, change targets, and maneuver). Flux wins hands down and for half the price or less.
@@thunderofgr Availability is a *huge* win for the mp5k clone. That flux raider has been in short supply for the past 2 years. Concealable size appears to be pretty much the same (with the pdw style stock on the mp5k). If a part on the flux raider broke, there is one source. If a part on the mp5k clone broke there is 60 years worth of supply chain built up. Shootability... the fact that you think the flux raider is easier to shoot tells me that you have never shot an mp5k. There is no contest. The roller delayed design of the mp5 is the reason it's been around for 60 years and is still popular. Modularity, sure I'll agree with that. But you can't take that P320 across state lines anymore without notifying the ATF if you SBR it (can't do that after SBR'ing the mp5k either). Capacity I'd grant you, though there are 40 round mags for the mp5k, but if you're keeping it compact you'd want to use the shorter mags. And then there is price. I can get a MKE or Zenith mp5k clone for right around a thousand, with another 200 for a good pdw style stock. Or I can spend 700 on a flux raider with a charging handle, and 600 for a full size P320. I'd call that a draw at absolute best. I don't hate the flux raider. I have looked at it, seriously, and weighed it against the mp5k long before writing this response. I like the concept, but I've never been able to justify the purchase. To be fair, as the owner of a standard size mp5 clone, I've also never been able to justify the purchase of an mp5k. But if I had a true *need* for that form factor, I think I'd likely pick the mp5k.
I think that the raider platform greatly compliments your normal CCW if you carry a P320 already. A "small" p320 concealed with a raider in a backpack
I have a p320 and I need one of these so badly.
@@BarrackObamna I like mine but I have had it for well over a year now. Though, The OPs idea that you are going to keep the raider chassis in your bag and then switch it over is dumb as dirt.
ive never seen any gun nerds larpin around with backpacks full of guns for "just in case " time.
@@thomgizziz basically. I could see this being useful in two scenarios:
1. Asset protection where formal wear is required (or cold weather)
2. Keeping it in your vehicle with some extra mags/bug out bag in the event you can’t get home to acquire your rifle and only have whatever you’re carrying that day (and full blown s has hit the fan). Essentially worse case scenario that you can’t get home for, but have time to get to your car and get out of town. And assuming you don’t carry a rifle in your vehicle. Super niche.
This WONT replace a rifle in the slightest, but if you don’t have access to anything else, something like this could pose as a nice addition if you have to go overt.
Any other ideas?
@@375Cheytac i think if you already have a sig that runs the same mags as your daily carry having a flux raider as a pcc for home defense where you have a more stable platform that takes the mags youve already got. If thats the first 2 firearms youve got and you live in an apartment or have neighbors super close by. I can definitely see the draw.
I've been watching your channel for a long time now, and it's actually very cool to see how you've developed. You used to give off a vibe of discomfort while doing black-screen reviews. Now you look extremely confident. This channel just keeps getting better and better. Also... Charlie and Micah are indispensable characters. Keep up the great work, guys!
He's still sounds like he's about to drown in his own saliva.
That's probably due to the pucker-factor about being demonetized if he didn't watch his p's and q's and holes.
Yea at first I was like bro… Is someone forcing you to make this ?
Y'all s bitches clearly never heard him talk address it, on camera
I do miss the dry humor though
Can we just say how these bros are just good friends w/no ego bs and just having fun along with making KILLER content.!! God bless these guys.
This really makes the p320 look like a really good parts kit
"The only man feared by advertisers"
*Charlie*
i gotta say... GarandThumb your intro's are the best hands down!! especially with the music selection! amazing music is always in your intros and whoever picks them is doing good for the channel.
Portland Tranny employee here, we appreciate the shout-out! We are just a parts supplier, curious who the shop that did your work was? We might have to make a new run of those hats, funny enough we weren't going to do more camo... guess we will now!
Need more of your “Becoming Deadly” series man!!
This looks like the ATF's worst nightmare.
it doesn't look like a dog
@@shuriken2505to the ATF it might.
It’s registered so it’s their wet dream
Watch as they try and see if Garand Thumb owns a dog or not
Or our worst nightmare as the ATF is getting kitted up to kick in your door at 03:00 for having a SBR sans Tax Stamp.
Hopefully your 3 Doberman Pincers have been trained to bite them in the groin.
While you grab your 7.62 x 51 loaded with black tips.
Cheers
It would be good for pilots and tank crews because of it ammo capacity and compact size
But i just cant shake the feeling that… the mp9 fills that same exact role just better… i own a tp9 and with a stock and grip THAT I DO NOT HAVE ON THE FIREARM IN MINECRAFT… the tp9 is a excellent tiny little package just more comfortable… or the mp7… or the mp5k.
HOWEVER I think this chassis is A EXCELLENT OPTION FOR CIVILIANS i just want to bring attention that it does have competition
A dedicated PCC would still be much better.
Air Force now has a cut down M4 that splits in half at the barrel nut. Fits in the survival kit with 4 mags. Definitely a step up from an M9 lol
Meanwhile, because they have bullpups, British Apache crews roll with 5.56 L22 carbines.
@@whiskeygolf2054 exactly. Theres so many options for carbines and smgs that i don't see the need for one of these tbh
@@_wayward_494to me this seems to fit the role for bodyguards or some type of personal protection service
Didn't realize how much I missed the black back drop gun reviews!
Solid information, always love your opinion Mike.
I carry in a small sling bag, the hardest part is explaining to fudds and meal team six why off the body carry is very much viable lol Glock 19 with a recover tactical frame, basically a flux raider “at home” version.
Glad to see Dr Flannel has the same prescription. 🎩👌🏼
I really like the idea of having a compact system that can be stowed in the vehicle or a backpack/pack. Also, it's a completely badass looking system.
Does it look badass?@josephroach9793
@josephroach9793 Well that depends, a bunch of them are not (the ones that are tend to be really flimsy like the recover tactical) and they all have folding stocks which makes it much wider and awkwardly shaped. Have you ever tried storing anything with a folding stock? Clearly not. The smaller place you try to put it in the more cumbersome it gets.
These are the types of guns I like carrying and have focused on the most. I have had a few of the pistol conversion types and then a few PCC PDWs all as small and light as possible and I have tried many many more at the range. If you want as small, full featured and light as possible the raider is about the best that you are going to do for most people right now. If you are willing to compromise on weight then you have some options like the b&t tp9. However, once you start getting up to 5-6 lbs and the guns in the 15"+ over all length then I'd just rather jump up to a SBR or a RCP (rifle caliber pistol).
i gotta say i’m loving the mix of the og long-form reviews with the short-form range shenanigans y’all were doing for a while
The quality of your intros (to speak only of that) is absolutely incredible.
The slowmo, the music, the staging
Even Charles looks dramatic, that’s saying something!
I have a Flux Raider SBR and a MPX SBR. I also have pretty extensive experience with a MP5 and a B&T MP9. After shooting these in competition, on the range, and in sim scenarios a few things became apparent. The Flux and the MP9 are very maneuverable but a bit harder to shoot when compared to the other 2. The MPX is by far the easiest to shoot well. The MP5 is a close second, but the manual of arms is ridiculous. I have a pretty difficult Rifle assessment that I’ve shot all these in, and the MPX shines when shooting timed/scored drills.
The Flux and the MP9 are much more practical. The size and weight are much smaller than the larger SMGs, but the performance far exceeds a pistol. The MPX/MP5 sized guns are basically the same size as a MK18 in 5.56. The size of these small SBRs allow them to be used in situations where rifles are impractical, and you would otherwise only have a pistol. I can make pretty fast hits in the A zone out to 50, and I can make hits on a man-sized target out to around 150 if I can go prone. If you are planning on using one of these in confined spaces or out of a vehicle, I suggest considering the Flux.
I have an old p320 subcompact that I haven't touched in a long time except for cleaning, oil, etc
Can I just drop the fire control in this and use the same slide? Or can I or should I buy a longer slide for this setup?
Sorry. I haven't been much of a gun guy in a few years.
@@Dugout97 The FCU is probably the same, but the subcompact slide will not work on the Flux. You will need a compact or longer slide.
I have always been a big fan of the backpack gun, it definitely is not always the easiest to carry something on your waist, especially when hiking, or going to a park like you said.
Fingering the release for hours is part of keeping things running smooth.
...yes.
Ayo?
This is so incredibly well timed as I was searching for videos yesterday. I have a deep love for SMGs and PCCs.
Same
Petition to rename it the Tactical Recoil Offset Operation Negater aka the TROON
😂😂😂💀💀💀
@@GarandThumbayo??? 📸🤨
@@ProfessorShnacktimecope, seethe and dilate.
@@danh2830 mald harder
@@ProfessorShnacktime It seems like it is time for baby's nap, he is cranky.
Its also cool to see how far Charlie and Micah have come in regards to firearms training since the start. Very cool.
Sweet review. I bought a bare bones P320 years ago to familiarize myself with the platform around the time of the military adoption. Although I did love so much about the weapon, I never tricked it out because I moved on with other weapon builds. Everyone that I've handed the weapon over to during practice loves the way it feels, I just never put any money into it besides a custom grip and some high-cap mags. But behold! My stepchild p320 is lookin' spicy again and we may need to catch up over a few rounds and learn some new tricks.
Now just imagine someone making a fun trigger for the P320 and putting it in this chassis...
Dont gotta imagine.... lol. Just do it
Then add the 21 round magazine with a +10 extension😊
Imagine if they made this for Glock. I have my roni. Worst gun purchase ever
@@thearmedgardenerThey do make this for Glocks.
@@MxMe-su1chthey don't make THIS for the glock, they have similar options for the glock but its not the Raider.
I broke down and bought a flux raider after al the hype and I am having the same realization. It's super portable, modular; and capable. It's probably worth noting you're in it $1000 for the chases and the gun, another $200 for charging handle and gas pedal, and another $250 for a threaded barrel and comp.(we opted to have suppressor option to threaded barrel). With an optic you're looking at a $2000+ PCC that really just has unmatched weight to performance. The dedicated chassis vs a "drop in" for a Glock makes the mechanics of it just better. Excited to do our review now that I've seen yours! (also PLeasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease on collab video)
I got my Sig MPX (LEO edition) for $1999 in Honolulu which is usually much higher prices due to shipping costs.
@@J.Young808 that’s a great price. The MPX is great too, weight on the flux is just so so light
I’m assuming you bought your P320 without a threaded barrel. Dam. Yeah those barrels can get expensive
@@vicdiaz5180 yea; at the time our P320 had no threaded barrel
@@DeskPop yeah not sure the legality here in Hawai’i aka Commifornia-lite. I know the CAA micro-roni was because it was light enough not sure with AFT’s brace 💩
Garand's intros are getting better and better ❤ love the consistency
Ok fanboi. The 3 stooges and these intros are gag inducing.
@@paulparadis66 Why is your life filled with hate? Go buy a Raider
@@paulparadis66lmfao couldn’t imagine being as unhappy as you must be
Paul, te dorosłe błazny z dziecinnymi mózczkami, tylko udają odważnych, w rzeczywistości to śmierdzące tchórze.
@@Z3R0NU11I think he might actually be mentally deficient. He has nearly 50 comments on Thumb's videos, and I don't think he understands that all comments, even negative ones, increase the video's reach.
"The question is what is a Flux Raider? A little bit confusing. So it's actually pretty simple.." what a whirlwind of emotions
I recently built an awesome 9mm pcc AR platform that is becoming my new favorite gun to shoot simply because of how easy it is to shoot and how damn accurate I’m able to shoot it. I bought a complete 9mm 10.5 inch upper from Faxon firearms and then I put together a aero precision glock mag lower with a sb tactical pdw brace along with a holosun He501ct solar red dot on a mount from scalarworks, swapped out the faxon bolt carrier group for a nickel boron fail zero bcg, and the timney 2 stage trigger. She’s an awesome little pcc for sure and didn’t cost a ton of money to build. I’ve recently installed a lot of those upgrade parts but when I first built it and it had the stock bcg and trigger and if you minus the optic and mount this gun can be had for right around 1000 to 1200 bucks depending on if you get a cheaper brace than the Sb pdw brace for a sba3 or kak brace you can save a few hundred bucks or you can get a complete upper from psa for cheaper if you want and still have a sick little pcc ar9 for much less than most complete guns on the market right now with better parts of your likening
Really looking forward to Flux releasing their reworked Glock system! I'd love to give one of these things a shot (or several thousand)
@GIVEAWAY_997bot
Thanks to Brass Facts, I'm finally ahead of GT and actually already own a Flux Raider, love this little thing.
Absolutely loving the multiple person trying out the system format.
Some other cool features not mentioned in the video: iron sight are still usable in case optic fails and there is a small battery compartment in the brace for a 2032 sized battery
I have the B&T USW G. I got it as a plinking toy and it has definitely turned into one of my favorite systems I have. I would recommend the A3 stock to replace the Spatula stock.
I love the Flux Capacitor
The cinematic intro keeps getting better and better. Super cool.
We need more "How to be deadly" videos...
Seems pretty relevant right now.
they are being worked on
How to be deadly in your mom’s basement would probably be the most relevant.
@@ianaurilin2727 Yea I agree. We basically live under corporate and medical tyranny. I wonder how many rights have to be taken away from us and how many elections have to stolen before so called conservatives stop being pussies and use the guns.
All talk no action. Keep fighting the good fight though lol.
I think this is the best overall gun channel.
It's fun, it's serious, it's edgy, it's tame, has goofy tards who are good friends and family men, and loads of educational information.
I hope y'all continue on succeeding and being yourselves.
I missed the black background talking reviews. I hope you bring this back. Great information
We need more of the "Becoming deadly" series
Agreed
I can confirm when first suppressing a full size 320, it took a bit of wearing in but down the road worked. I was using a SICO 1/2x28 barrel
Yeah 320s are really picky about suppressors.
I have the same barrel. I bought some lighter recoil springs just in case to tune to HST rounds. Don't mind it being finnicky with plinking ammo, but it must absolutely work well with duty ammo
I 3d printed the fns crusader pdw to go with my fns 40l, I absolutely love it.
The stability and ability to still conceal is miles ahead of other PCCs imo.
Great Video! I use a G19 in MCK as my PCC, would have been interesting to see the flux raider vs MCK or other conversion kits (that accept glocks)
I don't think the Flux stand a chance against our mck. Mck doesn't require proprietary frame. And if necessary you can still remove the gun
@@F3d3xdad What are you talking about? The micro roni requires glock frames, this requires the p320. I have used both the micro roni is bulky and heavier the two things that you really don't want if you are looking to do something like this. The roni is another option but it misses on most of the features that people would want.
@@thomgizziz the mck is available for several brands of pistols. It fits if a small bag so idk what bulk you speak of. What options is it missing? That the Flux has
Would have been cool to compare the Flux to early 1900s stocked pistols and/or relate it to the concept of things like the Artillery Luger. I wish you'd touched how the concept has been around for a long time, but the NFA has made it difficult to own stocked pistols.
Depending on the use or operation, adding some Springer Precision +10 mag extension to that 21/rd mag gets you closer to that mp5 capacity.
Sig already makes 30 rounders. Which is what he has in the raider X during the vid.
@@JAD77755 i know pro mag and ets does I didn’t know sig did. I’m pretty sure he said he was using two 21 round mags in the video
@@Z_BoyPanduh For his personal backpack carry use.
@@Z_BoyPanduhthe longer mags in the beginning are 30 rounders sig makes
Personally I stick with 2 21 round mags. Going up to 2 30s starts to weight it down a lot
Walter, one of the best rollers of his time. Glad he’s made it on the big screen.
Garand Thumb: the guns and gear review channel that transitioned into a full entertainment experience.
The cinematography of this intro was great!
All of your videos that take outside are so much better I love them so much they’re so much more engaging!
Flux innovation out here right now! Love those guys Ben and his team Rock!
🤟
Can we all just appreciate the phenomenal intro
I've been running this setup for a while as a backpack gun (I have a strike industry chassis). It hasn't replaced my appendix carry. But it's so easy to throw it in a small Vertx sling back and go. Think about the distances your find in grocery and big box stores. You will quickly find distances you wouldn't try with a pistol. This setup is genuinely a force multiplier. I really have no excuse to not have a shoulder-able weapon now. I also think this makes a great home defense weapon, especially for weaker shooters.
Upgrade to the Raider when you can. The SMC is a known-bad copy and falls apart quick.
I like the combination of new style of videos with older black background breakdown!
Ben (owner of Flux) is a super cool guy. The Raider is an impressive platform. A few of our guys have them and have been running them through the ringer for a year now. Great review as always GT! Our's will be coming soon.
Mike: What's it called when you miss the head?
Me: Being married.
I was wondering if Garand would ever cover this accessory. I have an M18, but I am hesistant on getting the chassis for it. I have an FX9 Ordnance for my PCC. Appreciate the S-Tier content on this channel brother!
Stop what you’re doing and order one before they’re sold out for the next 5 years. I got the very first release Raider and it’s unimaginably great.
@@thunderofgr What is your experience with it? Most of the time, the thing is sold out. There is another version of it (can't recall the name), but I've been tempted to get one. Is it really that good and/or versatile?
They changed suppliers and now are regularly in stock. I’m sure with this video exploding, they’ll be out for a month or so. It’s absolutely worth every penny. Brass Facts has a far more in depth video covering how it redefines and recreates the name of PDW. Far more than a worthless PCC, it’s a true pistol-sized weapon that pops into a rifle-style firearm when you need to go to work with it. I have an entire concealed laptop bag that it lives in with medical kits and (soon) a level 4 plate to act as an active shooter response kit. In short, it’s a game changer. @@marcusfenix9534
The flux defense "Raider" variant used to be for the large form factor glock 20 in 10mm or the 45ACP glock. I was on the email list waiting for them to be in stock for around 3 years. I think last month is when i got the email "Raiders are back in stock" only for them to be completely incompatible with Glock. And they have no ETA on when they will be making the glock braces. Needless to say I feel schmeckeldorphed.
We lost our MFG for the Glock versions in the middle of a production run, sorry dude. We did have a good discussion this week on revitalizing it, we shall see.
@@BenfromFluxare you gonna make a version for M&P 9 or 45 ? Feeling left out with little support for a great platform.
@@richwalter3107 we may, I have looked at it, and I think it’s one of the best pistols. A good chance, but I’m not sure.
I looked into buying this for my p320 but they didn’t have any in stock at the time. I went with the FCU X01 chassis and very happy with it. Have not run it hard but it’s an awesome chassis! I put a forward blast device which made a world of difference. I’ve built it to have 52 rounds at my disposal but with two more 21’s I can go to 64 on chassis. The X01 is a heavy unit so makes a great bagger.
Thanks for coming out to the Idaho Capitol yesterday. I've been watching you since the beginning of this channel. It was pretty awesome to meet you in person!
I absolutely love my Flux raider. I run the 3.9" slide with the threaded barrel meant for the 3.6" slide and it fits perfectly.
Why run the 3.6" threaded barrel? To ensure you can never use a suppressor?
@@KSHOW13 I use an omega 9 k exclusively on mine. The barrel threading ends outside of the slide. So the piston reaches the ends of the threads and there is about a 4mm distance from the guide rod to the suppressor when locked back. I’ve ran 3 USPSA type action pistol matches with mine as a PCC suppressed in that configuration a few months ago and it was fine for all 350-ish rounds.
@@KSHOW13actually, it’s intended for suppression exclusively. It’s much more reliable (perfectly so with lightweight cans) and much shorter.
- What do you call it when you miss the head? Is it still Mozambique?
- It's Mozambique with a 5 percent survival chance.
We needed this video 2 yrs ago dude 😂
recently in use by SOCOM - needed some time for maturity
This intro, the hcar, the Huey, and the short nvg video are just 👌🏻
Saw a video of Frank Zane introducing the Leg Blaster and all I though about was, how that was 100% Garand Thumbs 80' uncle.
Very entertaining, once again. Thanks for great content.
Why not a vid on Recover Tactical brace? They got one for almost every common handgun design now, not just glocks. Very efficient and effective pieces of polymer.
Micah should know who they are 😂
I used a KelTec Sub2000 as a travel weapon. It gives me more than a pistol in a bag that normally can only have a pistol. If this thing was availably when I got the sub2000, I might had picked this over the Sub2000. It is even more compact, and deploys even faster, and it costs...more but not by a ton. It is lighter as well, which is saying something. Also it looks cooler, ha.
Also, more reliable. I wouldn’t trust my life to a keltec.
@@KonaLife I used to have a Gen 1. Fired about 1000 rounds though it before giving it away to someone. Center pin/bolt worked loss and had to be retightened. No malfunctions. My current Gen 2 rifle I have fired about...2000ish rounds with no malfunctions. Seems reliable to me. Would had fired more but I got even more poor and can not afford to blow a lot of ammo these days, ha.
Idk man….. idk if I’d call it more than a pistol….. (but I’m an exceptionally good shot with a good pistol) I’d take a 5.5” Walther Q5 match with a red dot and weapon light over a sub 2000. I was intrigued by the sub2000 until I shot one and realized just like all of keltec they had a cool idea that just suffered during production/execution. And this was keltecs best idea IMHO I really wanted it to be good because the idea is sound.
@@zackzittel7683 Mine seems rather well build, BUT I do agree with you that the ideas at KelTec outperform their manufacturing capability. I would defiantly prefer the Sub2000 over a pistol. It is a rifle after all. A lot more points of contact. That Q5 is very nice though. Trigger seemed a bit strange to me at first but once I had a magazine though it, I understood. IT is one of the more accurate pistols I have shot, not including some special competition set-ups.
The absolute best platform for size is a M11-9 (MAC in 9mm) with a silencer. It is by far the most compact platform out there and can be made at home. You can also swap the barrel for a homemade 22TCM and now you have "MP7 at home". Except it is more powerful and smaller than an MP7. 3D printing has made it now where you can make a M11 without having to know how to weld or bend sheet metal. MPA also now sells uppers too so you don't even need to know how to use a lathe anymore.
I had to change the guide rod and recoil spring, as well as break in my raider before it would run suppressed at all, but it does run now
good to know, we messed with the recoil spring primarily
The mix of black screen and range day shenanigans makes a perfect video
I was shocked when I actually saw pictures show up when and where he said they would.
Hoping they make one for the 10mm/45 magazines one of these days. Would love to drop my X-Ten into one
This is an all star cast. Each one of em brings such a distinct personality ans direction. Sunday with the boys.
Hilarious when Charles purposely messes up the sponsors especially SDI 🤣
Garandramranch got me 0% off my emotional damage of being able to afford the optics I want. Thanks!!!
My dad died Wednesday and I was just getting all welled up again, thanks for the distraction ig, ik he wouldn't want me sitting here crying.. Fuck.
stay strong my man
Been there done that. The loss of a parent is truly an overwhelming experience. It fucking sucks brother. But time is a great healer, I promise.
Stay strong, but it's ok to have an off day.
Make him proud mate 🫡.
@@GarandThumbthank you, Mike
You should try doing a side by side comparison with the B&T USW Glock chassis and see which one you prefer more. The B&T has a much smaller footprint
FEET???
will do that one soon
You definitely do not take the slide stop out to take out the FCG (fire control group). It's the takedown pin. You rotate it and pull it out. The slide stop is clearly visibly ambidextrous and looks similar to basically every semi-auto handgun. Just wanted to keep you honest. Very good review. Great content. "Ammo is..." "Provided by Norma" xD
It was just a fumble, I am sure he knows what it is. Super easy to do, I suck on camera and mispeak every take 🤣
Something like this that, even for cosplay's sake, made my 92X look like a 93R would be so sick.
Im newer to the channel, this "Black-Screen" break down is a cool different take. Thanks for the fun videos
Charlie, as always, carried this episode. He must have an enormous capability to carry the weight of other guntubers.....
Nothing like being operator as Fck with a 9mm 😅
MP5 has entered the chat
Pretty sure a 9mm will kill you all the same
The biggest downside to the Raider is you're forced to own a P320
Fr best comment
best intro ever, that's what im talking about! love the black screen..yes..
Would love to see this compared to a Recover Tactical 20/20. A P80 G34 with a Riton PRD in a 20/80 is my “bump in the night” gun. I built the pistol for $400, $170 for the sight, and got the Brace on a Black Friday sale for $60. All in all it’s pretty nice for under $650. Plus the folding 20/20 pops off and converts back to a normal pistol in under a minute. It has a Ghost disconnector and spring kit and can really rip. I like it so well I got the 20/21 for my 460 Rowland G21
I've used both. The Recover feels flimsy compared to the flux and the reciprocating sight is not something that I liked much. It is more difficult to stow away and get out because things really really like to get caught on that brace. It isn't terrible and I wouldn't tell you to buy the raider because you don't carry it around much and it doesn't seem like you are itching to spend more money on something that wouldn't really improve your use case.
Amd just like that Flux Raiders are sold out.
Samething is about to happend with the ammo again. Prepper channels and guntuber merchants just have to say jump...and the PAAAAAY-triots say "How High"
Amd
More in stock right now than ever before
mmmmhmmm yes yes second comment to lay witness to a felony yes yes
I'm late, what did I miss
He’s a SOT you rart
It's only a felony if you get caught!.
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Nope 5th circuit court shot the rule down not a felony anymore. Well its on hold currently
It’s not a war crime the first time..
Mike mentioning France is one of the biggest examples of why you guys over the pond have to keep fighting and supporting the 2A community, most of us this side literally have no opportunity of defence. To any US folks who don’t know how bad the UK is for instance, we’re not even allowed to defend a two story home unless the aggravator comes to the 2nd floor, any 1st floor resistance can lead to us being prosecuted
Brit in Florida here. Just back from a Sunday range session. I had fun on your behalf 🫶🏼
Brit, and reluctant ex firearm owner here. Also somewhat ambivalent to the "French" argument. Sure the good guy with a gun scenario would have put a stop to it, but on the other hand, if the bad guy had the raider he'd have had 42 9mm rounds without even opening a backpack to get more and then the situation could have been even worse.
@@PSUK997 hahaha good lad 👏
@@owensparks5013 the gentleman in France was an ‘asylum’ seeker, the right to bear arms should only be for citizens which could potentially lead to an everyday citizen becoming psychotic and rampaging but less likely than an enraged immigrant legal or not, the point is, even if something like this was available for that idiot, at least the people in the park would have had the right to defend themselves and act accordingly
@mattashby1391 Thanks for the reply, it's nice to have a well reasoned discussion, as opposed to the usual yt keyboard warrior stuff. 👍
In the UK, we had two mass shootings. Both, unfortunately, by legally held and registered users. (One user had been reported to the police as unfit to hold the certificate by his own club, but justice moved too slowly.) The first resulted in the smaller magazines route, and the second killed the sport.
I appreciate it's a totally different scenario in the US, though.
This video has helped me decide to go get a P320 and the Flux. Too cool!!!!
This is what the mck conversation kit wanted to be
That was the best APD add I’ve ever seen