Every Tennis Serve NEEDS This At Any Level

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  • Every Tennis Serve NEEDS This At Any Level
    Do you want a professional serve motion? Start with the grip, using the continental/hammer grip. Practice throwing a tennis ball to develop a throwing motion. Then change the angle so it is upwards, with the throwing arm. Then practice the “palm to palm” exercise. After you have practiced this, grab your racket and use your continental grip. Then go through the serving motion with practice swings. Once you feel you are confident doing this, then you can increase the speed of your swing. The racket is on edge when hitting the ball. The racket goes behind the hand, over the hand, and then passes the hand while the arm is still up. Practice your pronation!
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  • @SteveB-he1bu
    @SteveB-he1bu 4 місяці тому +3

    Excellent video on the serve. Explained better than Macci or Mouratoglou. Simple, clear language.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 місяці тому

      Thank you so much! I hope you benefit from all the content here on the channel, and let me know if you have questions or a particular topic you want me to cover. Best, John

  • @paddlepower888
    @paddlepower888 25 днів тому +1

    Thank you. Second time watching. This time I’m going to practice. A lot.
    Cheers. Jeff

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  25 днів тому +1

      Hi Jeff, I love it when players benefit from my lessons...thank you! Keep me updated on your progress! If you are interested, I do offer video analysis, which has proven to be very helpful. Let me know. Best, John

  • @jeffting1648
    @jeffting1648 4 роки тому +16

    I’ve watched soooo many serve pronation videos and never heard it explained quite like this! Amazing video thank you!

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Jeff! And thanks for subscribing! Stay tuned for more! Best, John

  • @vectorthurm
    @vectorthurm 3 роки тому +6

    John you are an amazing teacher!!

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you! I love helping players get the right information to improve! Have a great day!

  • @moulinyann9912
    @moulinyann9912 4 роки тому +8

    From France...I know this tips of the rotation of the wrist when you hit the ball, but your explications and the slow motion, make the difference. Thanks a lot.

  • @giancarlodianon7969
    @giancarlodianon7969 3 роки тому +1

    So far the best teacher/coach on the proper serve

  • @josch5736
    @josch5736 4 роки тому +10

    A true eye-opener for people like me always pushing the right arm straight through and down! Thanks a lot.

  • @eileenwang7265
    @eileenwang7265 18 днів тому +1

    You are such a talented coach. Thank you :)

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  18 днів тому

      Thank you so much, Eileen! I hope you benefit from all the contact here on the channel, and reach out to me if I could ever help you further. Kindly, John

  • @vectorthurm
    @vectorthurm 3 роки тому +9

    Just gotta say that from 7:15-8:00 is where my journey lies. His is not a small thing. I appreciate you taking the time to break out these amazing small but crucial details. Thank you John!

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому

      Hi, Thank you so much for the comment. Keep working on it...you'll get it! Best, John

  • @tbsunter
    @tbsunter 5 місяців тому +1

    Hi John, i just start playing tennis about 6 weeks ago, in my 50 is of age, searching how to.. how to.. in tennis and crossed path you video, love your explanation, nail it, simple yet detail how to… wish you come down here in australia to couch me he he he… if you dont mind like to know 1 hand backhand spin. Cheers john, love it.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  5 місяців тому

      Hi Dhinno, Thanks for the great feedback! Be sure to check out my backhand lessons here on the channel. You can also get this course which includes videos reviews by me to guide you: performanceplustennis.com/one-handed-topspin-backhand-foundation-description/. Kindly, John

  • @alvarojesuscuencanunez4492
    @alvarojesuscuencanunez4492 Місяць тому

    Excellent tips, and excellent videos

  • @jag3384
    @jag3384 4 роки тому +8

    Best ever serve advice I ever did see John!

  • @MichaelSienkiewicz
    @MichaelSienkiewicz 2 роки тому +1

    The 4:00 - 5:15 minute instruction is so critical and you made it so clear, thank you!

  • @kirksimon3932
    @kirksimon3932 2 роки тому +1

    Very detailed! Thank you

  • @omstennis9198
    @omstennis9198 3 роки тому +2

    the best information about pronation! thank you sir!

  • @luizramos7053
    @luizramos7053 3 роки тому

    Nice lesson, 👏👏👏

  • @winningtennis4914
    @winningtennis4914 4 роки тому +4

    Rock solid video, John... BRAVO

  • @daikayll1897
    @daikayll1897 4 роки тому

    Found this wrist/elbow break out while finishing a 2 hour lonely serve practice a year ago. No POP ! on what was a decent serve. 5'8" tall( or short ! ) so serving , especially under pressure moments at this tall/ short is forever a shadowy presence.
    Fatigue and the last 5 balls gave me a relaxed outlook. Tossed ball and concentrated on yanking that arm quickly down. Wham ! Ball expolded before I'd usually had time to track it. 3 more with similar timing gave a deeper ball but had a little rear up on it too. Last serve I framed due to inner joy and a feeling of eureka !.
    This folks is GREAT ADVICE. It works and with less effort than the forced serve.
    One added bonus also , I seemed to be in a better recovered position for the return. Thankyou ever so much for this video. I'm a subscriber now. Hwyl from Cymru ( Wales)

  • @dctrex
    @dctrex 4 роки тому +4

    Thank you, you explained the serve very well!

  • @janpeterniepoort9015
    @janpeterniepoort9015 6 місяців тому +1

    Great tutorial. Thank you

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for the feedback! Keep me updated on your serene progress! Best, John

  • @frankjastrzembski8099
    @frankjastrzembski8099 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent advice. Thank you.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому

      Hi Frank, You are very welcome! Keep me updated on your progress! Thanks, John

  • @olegg9726
    @olegg9726 4 роки тому +3

    Great video, very helpful...and educational....Thanks!

  • @LeonardoCostaUSA
    @LeonardoCostaUSA Рік тому +1

    Great tips sir !! appreciate that !

  • @brice9422
    @brice9422 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you , great advice !!!

  • @obaidfarghani9202
    @obaidfarghani9202 4 роки тому +1

    Great video - thanks for the share

  • @fairman1455
    @fairman1455 4 роки тому +3

    I did really enjoy and I benefited from your excellent detailed instruction-- thanks

  • @vinhngo7326
    @vinhngo7326 3 роки тому +1

    Great explanation on how to pronate. Thank so much.

  • @beaglesrfun5896
    @beaglesrfun5896 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome instruction! I'll update you on my progress.

  • @dnomdelopez1921
    @dnomdelopez1921 3 роки тому +1

    Tyvm...

  • @PrecisionPointTennis
    @PrecisionPointTennis 3 місяці тому +1

    As always: excellent 👌

  • @carltonproctor4062
    @carltonproctor4062 4 роки тому +1

    Excellent tutorial. Made big improvement to my serve accuracy and consistency.

  • @alarson8355
    @alarson8355 4 роки тому +1

    Very well explained, the visuals are awesome

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Thanks for watching, glad the visuals were helpful!
      Any video ideas you would like for us to make in the future?
      John

  • @adrianaldea5869
    @adrianaldea5869 4 роки тому +1

    Excellent video!

  • @RobertGarcia-yg9cf
    @RobertGarcia-yg9cf 4 роки тому +1

    Great Lesson!

  • @eduardoafonso9975
    @eduardoafonso9975 4 роки тому +1

    Excellent, friend!!!

  • @tennis47
    @tennis47 3 роки тому +1

    Great explanation!

  • @SpatzTennis
    @SpatzTennis 4 роки тому

    good job!

  • @patrickdear911
    @patrickdear911 3 роки тому +1

    excellent advice and explanation on pronation. Like the serve exercises too.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you Patrick! Stay tuned for our latest videos! Kindly, John

    • @patrickdear911
      @patrickdear911 3 роки тому

      @@PerformancePlusTennis Hi Have subscribed to your channel so will not miss a video. Have started to use your advice in my serve training and it has already started to make a difference in the power of my serve. Just need to keep practicing to do it more consistently.

  • @oscardario8685
    @oscardario8685 2 роки тому +1

    John, amazing lesson!

  • @zenfoos
    @zenfoos Рік тому +1

    This video was very useful for me to practice fundamentals in a slow and deliberate motion; hopefully to build muscle memory.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  Рік тому

      Hi, Thanks for your feedback, Keep me updated on your progress. Best, John

  • @alfonsbongers1865
    @alfonsbongers1865 4 роки тому

    thanks from holland very good eplanation

  • @bailadorr
    @bailadorr 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you very much. Awesome vídeo. I'll try as soon as I can get into a tennis court

  • @mrjohnsonfong
    @mrjohnsonfong 3 роки тому +1

    Thx u

  • @jonisbon1
    @jonisbon1 2 роки тому +1

    these are great tips that i want to train

  • @davidwickersham710
    @davidwickersham710 Місяць тому

    8:30-8:40 is a key thought Great video John

    • @paddlepower888
      @paddlepower888 26 днів тому

      Thanks for marking that. No bigger room in the world than the one for improvement-where I live 🙂

  • @bobjeff6779
    @bobjeff6779 4 роки тому +2

    This really helped my game.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Great to hear, Bob! Stay tuned for our video on Friday, which is a follow-up to this video. Thanks, John

  • @daylehaynes2792
    @daylehaynes2792 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks a million, this has been an eye opener for me

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому

      Thanks Dayle. Keep me updated on your progress. Kindly, John

    • @daylehaynes2792
      @daylehaynes2792 3 роки тому +1

      I worked on it today on my home court in Barbados. It has worked for me. I will be watching more of your videos.I am working on my one hand backhand next

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому

      @@daylehaynes2792 That's terrific to know, Dayle! Docheck out my backhand lessons on the channel. Keep me updated! Best, John

  • @myfolder4561
    @myfolder4561 3 роки тому +1

    So good

  • @irwincua889
    @irwincua889 Рік тому +1

    Very useful video. Oftentimes I slice the ball instead of hitting it flat

  • @FairwayJack
    @FairwayJack Рік тому +2

    good stuff

  • @joseh899
    @joseh899 4 роки тому +1

    EXCELLENT ANALYSIS JOHN! I WILL TRY THAT! 👍👍👏👏👏🎾🎾🎾

  • @vikramgokak
    @vikramgokak 4 роки тому +1

    Dear John Sir,
    Namaste i have searched more then two days for this type of lesson ........ thank you really good Guidance ... Thank You Sir..........A Fan From INDIA...

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Hi Vikram, Thanks for your kind comment. I am glad you found me. Stay tuned for more videos. Thanks , John

  • @brewer7604
    @brewer7604 4 роки тому +1

    Best explanation ever

  • @MAELOB
    @MAELOB 4 роки тому +7

    One of the most overlooked aspects that are not thought even at intermediate and advance levels. Thanks for the video. It took me like 20 years to finally learn to pronate 😳

  • @dimeshgujadhur210
    @dimeshgujadhur210 4 роки тому +1

    This is very good

  • @lawrencegamey1769
    @lawrencegamey1769 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks so much, I just finally cracked the code with this video by practicing in my mind.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Thanks for watching, glad the video was helpful!
      Any video ideas you would like for us to make?
      John

  • @jassay6435
    @jassay6435 4 роки тому +1

    GREAT TIPS, John!! Liking a flagpole with a racket face and keep the edge of racket AS LONG AS you can, absolutely they're big suggestions to me, and it make total sense although I've take pronation drills for a quite a long while.
    But I don't figure out why I got golf elbow injured in my practices, probably the big pressure to my elbow as I am trying to emphasize the pronation with more intentions, or push through with straight elbow like you mentioned that is wrong.....

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      Hi Jassay, Thanks for your comments. Best to go slow, be sure you are relaxed when practicing and learning new technique. For more assistance, check out our world renowned Serve Foundation Course (on our website) which features a complete skill development program and planner. It has helped 100's of students learn and develop a professional quality serve. Thanks!

  • @pauldt3633
    @pauldt3633 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks John for this excellent explanation! I have trained this for quite some time and still didn't get rid of the old wrong arm motion, which you mentioned shortly in about minute 8:26. I would appreciate if you put more attention to this wrong arm motion since I see that all of the players in our club do this! And I would appreciate if you could give some hints on how to correct this. In slow motion I can do exactly what you show, also when I serve without power. But when I want to put power into my serve, the old wrong arm motion is there again!

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому +1

      Hi Sony, Thanks for the comments and feedback. It is not unusual for the swing pattern to change somewhat when you go for a powerful (flatter) serve, as you are taking a lot of forward motion into contact, so some of that momentum will translate into the forward swing after contact. Focus on keeping the racket on edge as it approaches contact on the flatter serve. Feel free to send me a video...contact me through my website. Thanks, John

  • @signlogin9
    @signlogin9 3 роки тому +1

    Good sir

  • @zandzgallardo8404
    @zandzgallardo8404 2 роки тому +1

    One of the reasons this is hard for ordinary tennis players is because visually, it doesn't seem to be ergonomic or doesn't follow the natural flow of the arm and wrist when you're trying to impart a specific spin like a slice or twist. Does this apply only for flat serves?
    Am trying to wrap my head around how the pronation happens after imparting a spin that causes the wrist to rotate contrary to the direction of the suggested pronation...
    I hope they can show it in super slow motion.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  2 роки тому

      Hi Zandz, Thanks for your comments and contribution to the video/ lesson. The concept of pronation occurs with every type of serve because the shoulder has to deliver the racquet, and the end result is long-axis rotation from the shoulder out to the right for a right handed player. Yes, the path of the racquet differs from each type of serve (spin), but pronation will is a component regardless of the spin. I hope this hopes. Don't over think it, and keep me updated on your progress. thanks, John

  • @gandkproductions1
    @gandkproductions1 4 роки тому +2

    I appreciate the details. Now maybe I can give my wife a little more competition when I make these adjustments 👍🏽

  • @pbonnery
    @pbonnery 4 роки тому +6

    Great video John! This was an eye popping revelation. Also we always hear about pronation being a natural motion and that we shouldn't force it into the swing path. How do you find the right balance then? Thanks very much, John

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +4

      Hi Phillippe, Thanks for your comments and great question! I think the answer is it depends on your style and mobility. We see someone like Federer, who is so natural and unforced vs players that appear so deliberate in creating their pronation, particularly after contact. Good examples go back to Sampras, Becker, Raonic and Nadal...just to name a few. These players all keep the upper arm (shoulder) up until the racquet tip is pointing to the ground. This intention produces maximum pronation. However, my friend Jeff Salzenstein says he never thought about pronation when he was on the ATP tour. So, what is the answer? Experiment. Be purposeful, but also relaxed and natural. A lack of relaxation is the biggest power leak on the serve and also leads to a greater potential for injury. Stay tuned. I am going to post a video this week that I KNOW will be of interest to you.Thanks and take care, John

    • @pbonnery
      @pbonnery 4 роки тому

      @@PerformancePlusTennis Thanks very much for your reply John I really appreciate it! It really feels like looking for the Holy Grail sometimes. Haha

  • @giuseppeflachi5956
    @giuseppeflachi5956 Рік тому +1

    Good

  • @grantdelmege2724
    @grantdelmege2724 4 роки тому +2

    Great tips here John. What drills would you recommend to work on the racket drop and improve the ball toss?
    Thanks!

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Hi Grant, Check out our playlist for the serve for lessons on the racket drop and ball placement: ua-cam.com/play/PLEd-bhJ7w1qmIjymwE2iH1Aq6vF3xLRJi.html

  • @anitacastagna2208
    @anitacastagna2208 Рік тому

    Lying in bed feeling sick. Can’t wait to go through your step by step. Thanks for great explanation

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  Рік тому +1

      Hi Anita, You are welcome! I hope you feel better soon and can get back on the courts. Kindly, John

  • @yakzivz1104
    @yakzivz1104 3 роки тому +1

    this will help me greatly!!! I actually hurt my shoulder by trying to move too fast too soon.

  • @BIGLOVE4TRUTH
    @BIGLOVE4TRUTH 4 роки тому +1

    I’m an intermediate player in my 60’s. I have never used pronation in my serve. I would need to practice this a lot. I do the opposite motion finishing with supination of my service stroke. My shoulder does seem flexible enough to learn this, however.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your comment. Pronation can only be performed in conjunction with the continental grip. If you have a forehand grip, or anything close, the movement of pronation will not work. Do check your shoulder flexibility and go SUPER SLOW to get the feel of the movement. Finally, supination can naturally occur on the finish (when finishing across the waist). Stay tuned!

  • @demetriserve
    @demetriserve 2 роки тому +1

    Hi .What is Your conception about using a gravity and right racquate balance in serve ? Like your video also. Thank You.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  2 роки тому

      Hi Demetri, I am sorry, but I don't fully understand your question. Please re-phrase and let me know. Thanks, John

  • @jamescullen8122
    @jamescullen8122 3 роки тому +1

    Hi John loved your video on the serve. After having racquet straight back in the take back, pointing to the sky, I have noticed a big increase in power, in addition to following the other steps that lead to pronation. My only issue is that after hitting a basket of balls my lower latismus dorsi muscle tightened up quite a bit. Just wondered if this is normal when beginning a new way to serve, or if my technique is flawed in some way. If you have any suggestions I sure would appreciate your insight. Thanks

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому

      Hi James, Thanks for much for your comments and questions. Without seeing your serve, I really can't make any determination regarding your muscle issue. One thing to consider is my serve analysis program. Here are the details: performanceplustennis.com/serve-video-analysis-description/ Let me know if you have questions. Thanks, John

  • @vectorthurm
    @vectorthurm 3 роки тому

    You nailed me at the 8:00 mark. That’s me, I’ve done your basic course and I am so ready to take the next step which probably involves some! work...🤣
    Thank you John!

  • @Christfollower48
    @Christfollower48 3 роки тому +1

    I do great shadow swings, try swings from trophy position to make simpler with ball and get no racket drop in platform or very little, toss is good, bring back leg forward which gets my racket to drop nicely in shadow swing, very little drop, continental grip, with a relaxed grip, any suggestions 4.0 player

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому

      Hi John, Hard to know without seeing your serve. Suggestion: Correctly answer the question in the video we are releasing today (June 19 at 11am PST) and gain a free one-month membership which includes 2 video critiques by me. Or simply become a VIP member of Performance Plus for less than a $1 per day.

  • @talesara74
    @talesara74 4 роки тому +1

    Nice video. It would have been nicer if you had aaded the follow thru path of racquet even for 2nd serve also.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Hi Pramod, Thank you! Check my other serve video for more details on the follow thru path. Best, John ua-cam.com/video/kgnNhpankqc/v-deo.html B

  • @guillermovil
    @guillermovil 3 роки тому +1

    Very good explanation! Sorry for my english.
    What happend with the pronation when I want to serve with a kick or slice?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому +1

      Hi Guillermo, Thanks for your comment and question. Pronation will occur on the kick and slice. With the slice, the pronation may be slight less because the rotation to contact is less pronounced. The kick also has pronation, due to the natural outward rotation of the shoulder after contact. I hope this makes sense. I will produce a video to clarify this in the near future.

  • @tennis979
    @tennis979 4 роки тому +2

    I found that comparing the serve motion to throwing a football vs a baseball especially if you're throwing it long works better for me, In baseball your target is between the ankles and the chest whereas you're aim in football is a lot higher and the ball rolls off your fingers which replicates the pronation. I also think of throwing a javelin or hatchet similar to throwing upwards more and keeping the edge of the racket moving towards the ball longer. What do you think? Great video though.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Hi, Thanks for your comments. I think the release of a football is generally closer to the serve motion, but still needs the 45 degree angle in the shoulders to throw from. Also, the contact on the serve is where the extension occurs. In the case of throwing a ball, the arm / elbow is not extended upon release. Finally, I think the hatchet is a better analogy than the javelin, as the javelin is thrown with a nearly straight arm throughout the forward motion...quite a bit different than the serve motion. Thanks, John

  • @Piggy123407
    @Piggy123407 Рік тому +1

    Do we have different pronation for different serve? How we pronate in flat serve, slice serve or kick serve?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  Рік тому

      Hi Pearl, Thanks for your question. For sure the degree of pronation varies for flat, vs slice and topspin. Flat and slice are very similar. Topspin is quite a different racquet path up and into the ball, and the pronation is not as pronounced into contact. Best, John

  • @danezu791
    @danezu791 4 роки тому

    The level of detail an the way you explain is a pleasure to watch. I am not sure how to apply this on a flat serve (first serve). My flat serve is like you described more towards the target with almost no pronation. I mean I have pronation because I aproach with the edge but than I flatten it out and I don't think I rotate my racket towards side fence. Should I try a flat serve with pronation? Or this applies only to kick serves?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      Dan Botez Hi Dan, A lot of players do not pronate much beyond contact. In some cases, it is simply a matter of shoulder flexibility. In other cases, the server is reaching forward to try to add power, but this actually can deplete the racquet head speed.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      Hi Dan, Just got home from a long day on the courts. I would not "force" the pronation after contact, but rather focus on keeping the upper arm up until the racket tip is beginning to point down to the court. This will assist in improving the action to get more racket head speed with less effort.

    • @danezu791
      @danezu791 4 роки тому

      @@PerformancePlusTennisI was twice on the court since you so kindly took you time and answered my question. I think I am quite flexible to be able to bend my lower arm like that. I think I know where my problem is. I barely jump (more like Djokovic) from the gound during the serves and so I tend to serve more of a liniar trajectory rather than a linear and down type of movement. I am also not a John Isner to be able to easly get the ball over the net. How high should you jump?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Hi Dan, Jumping is not as important as good balance...it is the bi-product of good balance and leg drive. If you want, send me a video to look at and I will give you some advice. Contact me through my website. Thanks!

  • @markie1aa
    @markie1aa 4 роки тому +2

    This is THE serve lesson! Been trying for 50 years to crack the code. Thank you very much, John, M'kay?

  • @erikschaepers
    @erikschaepers 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent video. I have a question though: Is there a rule as to where the racket should end up, after we hit through the ball ? Sometimes it seems to me that it ends up next to the left thigh, sometimes more to the right side or middle of the body?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  2 роки тому +1

      HI Erik, Thanks for your feedback and question. For most flat or slice serves, the finish is more likely to be across the body BUT be careful! The racquet only comes across at the bottom of the downswing. The idea that the follow-through is across the body is false! For topspin and kicks serves, the finish is more likely to stay on the side of the body. I hope this helps! Best, John

  • @danieldrlja757
    @danieldrlja757 4 роки тому +2

    Great tip! Thanks, mister. One suggestion: all of that you said and showed could stay in a 5- minute video.

  • @marcbienstock1130
    @marcbienstock1130 Рік тому +1

    Same motion for slice and kick serve? This pronation creates strain on my elbow?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  Рік тому

      Hi Marc, Thanks for your questions. Yes, there are swing variations for different serves, but the foundation of skills is the same. Learn the foundation and then the variations are easy to implement! Please let me know if you have more questions. Thanks, John

  • @JoseEduardo-zv9ce
    @JoseEduardo-zv9ce 3 роки тому +1

    And how does that apply on the second serve? can you break it down in another video?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому +1

      Hi Jose, Great question, and I will break it down in a future video!

  • @tequilacoca5324
    @tequilacoca5324 Рік тому +1

    Isn't it exagerated to keep the hitting arm vertical till the end of pronation after contact ? Seems to me the arm goes down slowly while pronating after contact and most of the time the arm is almost horizontal when pronation is fully over.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  Рік тому +1

      Hi and thanks for your great question and contribution to the video. Yes, it is exaggerated to keep the arm vertical, and for most players it is not possible. But, the intention to do so will produce the right movement for most. The serve of Pete Sampras is the best example of what we should be trying to achieve. Thanks, John

  • @mikeallen818
    @mikeallen818 3 роки тому +2

    how much wrist action do you use

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому

      Hi Mike, Thanks for your great question and contribution to the video. Movement from the wrist is consequential, not deliberate. The wrist is a messenger of power that is created somewhere else. The wrist is a very mis-understood component of the serve. I hope this makes sense. Thanks, John

  • @chtomlin
    @chtomlin 4 роки тому +1

    Good that you realize that you don't extend down the target line, but this misses that the contact still needs to be well in front of the baseline and even slightly in front the players 'up and out' launch into the court. Missing this is causing a slight but important misapplication of what many refer to as 'pronation'.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Falcon 4 Thanks for your comments. However, “Contact still needs to be well in front of the baseline” is not specific enough. Please review my video on the ideal contact point here on my channel. Thanks, John

    • @chtomlin
      @chtomlin 4 роки тому +1

      @@PerformancePlusTennis specific enough for what? You can't be specific in how far in front because it will vary with several factors specific to players size, ability and quality of the launch up into the court. But my comments address how the technique in this video doesn't account for proper contact.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +2

      @@chtomlin Yeah, I agree there are variables here that are specific to the individual. However, regardless of size, ability, launch, etc. there is an ideal place in the swing to where optimum power and control can be achieved. The placement of the ball will vary for the style elements you mention, but ultimately the body position to contact does not vary much among high performance servers...I hope this makes sense. I appreciate your comments. Thanks, John

  • @jlook6070
    @jlook6070 4 роки тому +1

    Would you pronate on every single type of serve: flat, slice and kick? Can it help you build up maximum arm/shoulder strength more rapidly to take full advantage if you have flowing proper serve motion already?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Hi, If you attack the ball with the racquet on edge, some degree of pronation must occur. If you have a flowing motion already, you may be able to improve racquet speed by assuring the pronation is happening into and beyond contact.

    • @jlook6070
      @jlook6070 4 роки тому +2

      @@PerformancePlusTennis I do use pronation at the moment and it seems to be helping. Flat and slice are working. Kick is in the learning stages while I try not to tomahawk chop them into the court next to me. But they aren't fast enough to pressure the opponent unless I angle it off the court. They have alot of time to react to the serve presently. I've tested out the possibility that tension is a cause by free swinging for power without a target. There is almost no increase in racquet head speed, swing speed and resulting pace off the racquet in that experiment. I'm trying to gain strength by lifting but it hasn't gotten much in results so far. So it's just maximizing efficiency of swing technique for pace improvement?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      @@jlook6070 Hi, Thanks for your detailed question. It sounds like you are not generating enough acceleration into the contact, which is slightly lower for a kick vs. a slice. It takes a well coordinated movement, starting with a properly timed leg drive, etc. to get the necessary speed into contact.

    • @jlook6070
      @jlook6070 4 роки тому +1

      @@PerformancePlusTennis it's likely an acceleration issue but it seems I've maxed out my pace with technique efficiency (minus kick serve). My form does not lose momentum and is not janky. The arms have always been the literal weak point in the kinetic chain. Weight lifting has not really increased that muscle mass in any discernible way. I'm not sure what the cure is.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      @@jlook6070 How about sending me a video? I will review and give you some feedback. You can send me a note through the contact page on my website. I will respond and then you can send it to me.Thanks, John

  • @yenej
    @yenej 4 місяці тому

    Is there anything as such “natural shoulder rotation”? Isn’t this something you can train and improve?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 місяці тому

      Yes, there is nataral shoulder rotation, but you can certainly train and improve the shoulder / long axis rotation! Best, John

  • @sandynkl66
    @sandynkl66 4 роки тому +1

    Hi John . Does the racket need to travel a bit linear and turn the wrist sideways OR turn the wrist sideways immediatly after impacting the ball?
    BTB Thanks for the video

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Hi Sandy, The pronation past contact is the result of the motion into contact. To be clear, do not emphasize using the wrist / hand to turn the racket...the power of the movement originates somewhere else!

  • @fabriziop7397
    @fabriziop7397 4 роки тому

    To day after your video I have just praticed but Igot stretching the right pectoral muscle:I do not do the right actiom

  • @peejread2309
    @peejread2309 4 роки тому +1

    Is it normal to have discomfort on your elbow when you first try pronation on your serve?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      Peej Read Hi Peej, I don’t think any pain is normal..make sure you are very relaxed and go slow. Keep me updated. Thanks!

    • @peejread2309
      @peejread2309 4 роки тому +1

      @@PerformancePlusTennis hi. At first i didnt have discomfort when i played but i didnt put in much power because i was just getting used to it. But the next time i played with more power then i started feeling a little discomfort in the left side of my elbow. However, i was using a different racquet given to me. But now im using my old racquet, i didnt feel anything. I was just curious if it normally happens. Thank you for your reply.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      @@peejread2309 Glad to know it was nothing serious!

  • @davidkim8134
    @davidkim8134 4 роки тому +2

    John - In this lesson, the instruction is for the strings to face the right-side fence. Therefore, does this lesson concern a ‘flat’ serve only? Are you a proponent of ‘kick’ and ‘slice’ serves to face the left-side fence?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      David Kim Hi David, Great question. At this point in the motion, you can play any type of spin, so it is not just for flat serves.

    • @davidkim8134
      @davidkim8134 4 роки тому +1

      @@PerformancePlusTennis Please do consider producing a follow-up video that addresses when strings are to face the right-side fence vs. left-side, or debunking the notion all together.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      @@davidkim8134 OK, thanks David!

  • @rafirotter7776
    @rafirotter7776 10 місяців тому +1

    is this a flat serve?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  10 місяців тому

      Hi, This is the foundational technique for the basic serve. Variations such as flat, slice and topspin are all developed from this fundamental skill. Kindly, John

  • @rharrell1
    @rharrell1 4 роки тому +1

    Is the arm being pulled from the unwinding motion and racquet momentum from the ground or do consciously think about moving it. I guess what I am asking is the racquet being pulled or pushed.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +2

      rharrell1 This is a great question! My answer is you should neither pull or push the racquet...it should flow throw the motion as a result of the body movement (kinetic chain) that triggers a natural, fluid and relaxed swing. There is a key element that is the main catalyst to this movement, that literally no other coach has either figured out or presents online...

    • @rharrell1
      @rharrell1 4 роки тому +1

      Thank you for answering my question. I have another one in regard to the kinetic chain. From what I understand the force from the ground moves up into the lower back. As the racquet accelerates up to the ball once the ball is touched is that when you release the power stored in the lower back, shoulder, and arm. It's the timing of the transition from the acceleration phase into using the energy generated from the ground to drive into the ball. I have heard some servers say it feels like the racquet wraps around the ball.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      @@rharrell1 Interesting question. The lower back is a series of stable joints, so I have never considered the lower back to be more than stable, although it of course has mobility during the serve. More of the action is through the legs into the hips and through the torso. Regarding timing, the acceleration is "on to the ball", not once the ball is touched, although the intent to accelerate through contact is essential for max racquet head speed and velocity of the ball. I hope this helps!

    • @rharrell1
      @rharrell1 4 роки тому +2

      I appreciate the time you took to answer my questions. You did a great job with the video one of the best I have seen explaining probably the most difficult skill to master in sports.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      @@rharrell1 My pleasure....thank you!

  • @ngocleminh8721
    @ngocleminh8721 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks u, and is that only used for 2nd serve?

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому +1

      Hi, No, pronation is a necessary feature of every serve. Thanks, John

    • @allim7015
      @allim7015 4 роки тому

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    • @ngocleminh8721
      @ngocleminh8721 4 роки тому

      Allim hi friend, hanoi Vietnam

    • @ngocleminh8721
      @ngocleminh8721 4 роки тому

      Performance Plus Tennis Thanks u, I understand and improve well now.

  • @andrewbaroch2141
    @andrewbaroch2141 3 роки тому

    Feet, knees, elbow, shoulder, wrist, arm, trophy pose...uh...pronation. Pronation?

  • @paullee1920
    @paullee1920 4 роки тому +2

    Shit, so I've been serving it all wrong for 20 years now.

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Hi Paul, not to worry! Stay relaxed, go slow, and develop the changes gradually. Check out our world renowned Serve Foundation Course (on our website) for complete instruction and a skill development planner. Thanks, John

  • @PerformancePlusTennis
    @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

    Are you ready to take your serve to the next level? Check out our serve course here performanceplustennis.com/serve-foundation-description/ 💥🎾

  • @vectorthurm
    @vectorthurm 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks again John, so being that I definitely struggle with the segment at 8:00 mark..what you suggest is a slow-fast-slow cadence? I’ve been dumbing down my practice serve to just isolate this crucial part of the swing (right at contact). ua-cam.com/video/FnQ9_jxg1j8/v-deo.html

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому

      Yes, think "slow-quick-slow". Quick is into contact. Let me know how you are doing with the concept.
      Thanks, John

    • @vectorthurm
      @vectorthurm 3 роки тому +1

      Performance Plus Tennis not to pester you but what is the point of the second slow? I’ve heard a lot coaches just use, “slow-go!” but this is a bit unique adding the second slow. Just curious....

    • @vectorthurm
      @vectorthurm 3 роки тому

      John nevermind, as watching again I think you explain it. I think it has to do with breaking the habit of not letting the racquet flip over after contact. Correct me if I’m wrong. Thanks John!!

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  3 роки тому +1

      @@vectorthurm Great question! When Tennisplayer did a detailed analyst of Pete Sampras's serve, they learned that his racquet peaked at 90mph into contact to produce a serve 120mph. His racquet accelerated out of the drop at 5mph, reached 90 mph at the top and slowed to 5mph by the time the racquet tip was pointing down to the court. Many players suffer from having the wrong tempo or rhythm in their swing, and we often see the racquet reach peak acceleration too late - when the racquet (and arm) are coming down. If the swing energy is upward (as it should be) then the racquet will naturally decelerate beyond the top of the swing. I hope you find this interesting and helpful. Kindly, John

    • @vectorthurm
      @vectorthurm 3 роки тому +1

      Performance Plus Tennis I find it extremely interesting and helpful..thank you!

  • @robmccance
    @robmccance 2 місяці тому

    Like to see your student actually hit a ball doing that. That's where the video goes downhill fast.

  • @Asthfghl
    @Asthfghl 4 роки тому +1

    Ugh, that wind sound...

    • @PerformancePlusTennis
      @PerformancePlusTennis  4 роки тому

      Yeah, my wind cap was missing and we had some wind that day. All is solved now...the audio should be fine going forward...stay tuned! Thanks, John

  • @knotwilg3596
    @knotwilg3596 3 роки тому

    How do you know you pronate? If you lead the racket on edge and contact the ball with the strings, how can you not pronate? Pronation is a necessary effect of those two elements.
    If you cleave with an axe, would you lead square on through the air and then pronate to cleave for extra power? No, you lead on edge like with a racket and then you cleave on edge because you're cleaving. No pronation.
    I believe it's a misconception that pronation contributes to the power of a serve. It's merely a necessary consequence of leading on edge and striking with the strings. But I can be wrong as I'm not a pro tennis coach.