Restricting Gender-Affirming Care and Abortion Rights
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2023
- Just a quick rant about Nabraska's recently passed law on restricting gender-affirming care and abortion rights.
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"Can not perform operations on children?" like circumcision?
yeah exactly!
2:23 But that study was mostly about adults, very few of the patients were minors. This study was a meta analysis, and they actually provided the mean age of the patients in the studies reviewed. And in most of the studies, the mean age was over 18 (usually in the 20s, 30s, and 40s)They also gave a list of the reasons given by the patients who regretted it, and 17 out 77 patients had regret due to social issues like not being accepted. The 60 other patients had regret due to things like disappointment with the operation and finding out they’re not trans.
One thing I would say that Republicans should mind their darn business and not mess about with people private medical issues. This stuff really should be between the patient and their doctor. It is just amusing to see the "Party of small government" making laws to put the government into places it has no business in.
They're kids. It's absolutely wrong to allow kids to make decisions like this for themselves at a time when they might not be old enough to cross the street unaided.
For the record I think abortion is absolutely a woman's rights issue and should be legal.
@@glitch1182 Did the kid asked for cleft lip surgery?
@@glitch1182 parents make decisions on behalf of their kids, it’s called parental rights, except in Orwellian states like Florida where they take *away* parental rights via laws called “parental rights protections” and allow parents to medically abuse their children by depriving them of critical childhood vaccinations.
Kids are not making medical decisions in a vacuum without parental consent.
@@glitch1182 they are kids, therefore a medical professional is consulted to determine if the child has real gender dysphoria or if they are just going through a phase and which is also why they usually first socially transition for a significant amount of time before starting HRT, only getting puberty blockers so they can later choose which puberty they want to go through, when they are old enough for themselves and the doctor to determine the best course of action for that individual person.
Not an easy time to live in US in these past recent years. It seems extremism and anti human rights are increasing there... I am currently even questioning if I still want to move over there to get a masters (Iam a biologist, looking forward to molecular and cell biology, and recent years have made me have so many troubles and anxiety, especialy with all the false stuff being spread around everywhere and having to debunk them here in Brazil)...
You're not being serious?! The US has been a lot worse in the past. It's a great time than ever. The US is at a split of where it can go and we can clearly see one sided is more popular than the other and we can clearly see the fringe backward mentality is being fought against more than ever and that we know these backward laws are being fought all over the place and we have more voice than ever calling out the deceitful and abuse of power one side is having. We have more than ever people are fighting against it.
Thank you! I can't believe the extremism of trying to destroy the gender binary, as a biologist I'm sure you must agree that such a thing is horrendous. And trying to deny human rights to The Unborn is equally abhorrent.
doesn‘t look like it‘s gonna get better soon aswell, soooo i‘d rather advise to NOT move there.
The US is a third world country now, if you're going to study abroad you're much better off somewhere like Europe, Australia or Canada. Also, i would expect studies to be significantly cheaper there, as the US is quite famous for student loan debts.
Well... The plan of the evangelical new morals movement worked (sadly). They implemented a huge influence and are using it. It was their plan since the 80ths.
Thanks for coving all this stuff prof stick
This is the same thing going on in South Dakota too.
Thank you for this clip. So far i actually thought that holding transition to an adult age would be a good thing, but if studies confirm that it is doing much more good than harm, i'm all for it. However i will still beleve that doing drastical SRS on children without their consent (only those which are not life saving) is bad. So waiting untill a child is aware, is still in my oppinion a must.
But that's a difference between someone who just wants the law to suit people instead of forcing people to fit into crazy laws...
Love your content!
It is a must, in fact most medical boards have very strict guidelines for surgery... one of the requirements is being at least 18, or in case of a severe case and the person is underage parental and in some places therapist consent.
absolutly, these surgeries should be only with the consent of the person that is having them. Why I think circumcissions are wrong, and genital surgery on new born intersex children that is not functionally necessary is a crime.
Trans children though are neither getting them without consent nor without necessity. They are actually pretty hard to convince a surgeon to do them when you are an adult, because of the longterm implications surgeons want to be very sure you REALLY know you want it befor they perform bottom surgery. Top surgery is a lot easier to get, but still much harder then cis people that want breast rediction or enhancement for aesthetic purposes.
So this is really more an intersex allyship problem, then a trans health care problem, that children get surgeries of their genitals without their consent and without medical necessity.
@@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 In which case I totally 100% agree. I too am worried that perhaps minors are not equipped to make such life altering decision - the same way that we don’t try minors who committed a crime the same way as adults, but I am totally open for the evidence to persuade me otherwise.
@@attilathenun that's literally what the puberty blockers are there for. To buy them time, let them explore their own gender and then when they turn 18 they can choose wether they want to transition or not
@@hannajung7512 i mean, why can't it be both? It can be both an intersex allyship and trans healthcare problem
UA-cam FR didn't pick up that you were talking about Nabraska, and gave me french public health advice on how to abort in France, as "context" for your video... xD
Yay, I love people's money going to restricting human rights... what is wrong with these people.
"looked at the evidence and changed my mind accordingly"
What a novel concept.
Thank you for this video, truly.
That's the classic flat earth line... Just saying...
He looked at the evidence that affirms his beliefs, or so he says.
I suggest getting a degree in any hard science, then come back to any of his videos over the past 4 years and look how he addresses "science says," and the difference between how he uses against flat earthers, and how he uses it against political opponents, and compare that to the comprehension that science isn't an entity that speaks for anything, but a refined methodology taking from the best of the most coherent of truth philosophies.
I've been following stick for eight years, and I don't remember he ever defining science as something that's fluid or subject to consensus like he has in recent years.
@@nunyabisnass1141 but his beliefs were that children shouldn't be making gender transitioning decisions at a young age, and the evidence he was referring to went against those beliefs instead of reaffirming it. as for "science says", he probably just meant "our current scientific knowledge says".
@@FluorescentGreen5 he didn't really have any beliefs, it was more like the ambivalence one has while using the title only to decide on what to watch. But in this case the study hit the "dead children" button, which has been the reason du jour for almost everything for over a century. Then punctuates his point kinda smugly with republicans...amirite?
His reasoning is the same knee jerk reaction and style that conservatives generally use for opposing child transitioning, which tells me that A, tells me that he isn't as informed on the general topic as he feels he is, especially if he's only citing one of the two studies on the topic that came out so far this year, and B, he still hasn't developed the intellectual defenses to keep things from sneaking in through the emotional back door.
Now I'm just farting into the wind on a Sunday morning with my coffee, but his take here is intellectually dishonest...at least for now.
Why compromise doesn't work:
Person A wants to make all murder legal
Everyone else disagrees
Therefore, we'll make some murder legal.
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I literally came here because I was digging into the people I used to watch from the “skeptic community” and I was wondering how your channel held up and I came to this. As a trans person, I cannot express enough how thankful I am for this and people like you, Thank you.
All conservatives ask is to keep away from the kids and if the LGBTQ community won't do it. Conservatives will go as far as break the foundations of gender ideology. Poorly played from both sides coming from a centrist myself.
@@ManDrinkingMilk Huh, what’s super strange, is that the lgbtq community stays away from kids a whole lot more than straight people do! And republicans have historically done way more damage to kids and still allow adult marriages… It’s almost like it was never about children, and it’s always been about demonizing queer people and using pedophilia as a thinly vailed cover up.
@@rainbowkittycat627 Drag story hour in elementary libraries? gender queer books? Should I go on and give more examples how the LGBTQ community is medalling with kids? Also give proof please how republicans are medalling with kids. Thank you
@@ManDrinkingMilk Do you really want childhood rape stats? Cuz babes priests boy scout leaders are doing far worse. Oh no! Drag queens are giving kids an education! How dare they! lmao. I’m not going to respond to ur bait any further
@@ManDrinkingMilk what do you mean by that. If you are saying lgbt people are pedophiles... no
And if you are saying "they are turning the kids gay": so what. It is a human right to be lbgt. So if your son can have a girlfriend, why not a boyfriend. And they need someone to show them that being lgbt is okay, because of how stigmatized it is.
It's honestly just tiring seeing what is happening around the world. but, less surprising than it should be
Should have had a mic drop at the end, you almost had it x) I thought you would do it
From Nebraska here. It's 19 because we're weird and the age of majority, aka when you're an adult, in our state is for some ungodly reason 19.
Thanks telling the story of bigotry with these people.
What bigotry
What people?
Why do you like it when children get their genitals mutilated?
That moment when the government restricts baby murder and child abuse, and that’s a bad thing
Thanks for the video
As someone who stepped away from your channel stick, grew u, and have found my self to be trans in that time, we are honestly really glad your still the great person you were back then.
Huh i havent watched you for a while, sup cool stick guy
Child sex changes
2:15 They don't care whether or not any significant number of minors regret it. It's just an excuse to do what they want to do anyway. They also don't care about the consequences, or what the people want.
I really think people care if minors regret Procedure that can't be undone. Especially religious types.
@@2norberto A. Minors typically only get puberty blockers, which delay puberty. It's "undone" by stopping taking them.
B. The anti-trans crowd is also banning *any* trans healthcare, for minors or adults. As usual, concern for the kids is just a convenient excuse. They are playing on emotions with lies.
C. If they *really* cared about the kids, the high suicide rates among the kids they force to hide their sexuality (homosexual, gender dysphoria, etc.) would concern them more than 'is it fair to the other athletes'.
@@2norberto Is the number of minors who regret the procedure statistically significant though?
@Atheist Yoda that's the problem I can't find the answer.
I wish I learned what it meant to be trans earlier. I thankfully live in a very open lgbtq+ state. I wish I got puberty blockers. My body has been irreversibly changed, and I hate myself every day for it. I went through the wrong puberty, and I’ll forever have to suffer the consequences
There is more to life then what gender you are, doesnt matter if your a girl or boy. Find a cool hobby or something :D wish you luck and happyness
@@somnia3423 I don’t care what gender I am. I care that my body doesn’t reflect that. I also hate constantly being treated like a little girl when I’m a grown fucking man. I have hobbies, you need to educate yourself. I still feel extremely dysphoric even when I’m all alone all by myself, which I usually am cause I’m always sick and my dysphoria is so bad that I literally cannot stand being looked at
Imagine being forced into a body that you feel doesn’t belong to you. Imagine being treated like something and someone you’re not. It is awful and exhausting. Put yourself in my shoes. I’d be a lot happier if my body wasn’t trash and accurately reflected how I feel and if I was treated correctly
@@luciellawliet Are you disliking yourself based on how other people see you?
@@howtocookazombie yes and no. It gets very tiring to be treated as something you are not
@@howtocookazombie gender is a very complicated thing, while we get our ideas how a perspn of a gender should look like from our society, the imprint of these blueprints starts in earliest childhood by observing people of all genders. And just like you feel particularly good or bad about your gender presentation based on how other people react gender dysphoria is subject to peoples reaction. But you have surely had days were you looked into the mirror and wished you looked more like the ideal of your gender and maybe even thought you might not be good enough in being this gender tvis is liw level dysphoria, and you also had probably days when you felt REALLY great about xour self, either by wearing clothes that enhanced your gender expression, or by doing something associated commonly with your gender, this is gender euphoria.
These feelings are universal, its just that transpeople play the "gender game" on hard mode.
children do not have the same rights as adults as they are not adults that can make adult decisions such as changing their gender (which is an adult decision). this point falls flat just based of that premise. because its not about whether the kid regrets it or not, for 1, the parent should have control over whatever's happening to their kids natural born biology and for 2 ., kids are easily influenced into doing something they MIGHT regret in the long run so it is BETTER to at least wait for them to turn 18 at the VERY least. gender dysphoria is a mental illness. and to be honest im not really sure how cherry picked those statistics are, either way it does not matter because wanting to switch genders was not a thing until it was publicly made available to the masses, you didnt see people walking around in the 2000s and the 90s talking about how they were trapped in the opposite sexs' body it just wasnt a thing. if you want to do that after you turn 18 almost no one cares, but when you do stuff like parades yelling "we're coming for your kids" and dance nude in front of children it doesnt really help your case.
Common professor stick w
To limit what kids wants can most certainly be protecting them.
Not when what they want is a body that doesn't disgust them.
@@smaakjeks this is a brand new idea. it has never existed in human history until 10 minutes ago... you're all mentally unwell.
@@spacelegos4964 LOL, trans-people have existed as long as people have carved things into things with thing-writing devices.
@@spacelegos4964 Thats one way of calling the kettle black there pot.
Ally here, with friends and family who are trans. Also an ally of all the women in my life and their bodily autonomy.
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Age of majority in Nebraska is 19. That is why.
Chief Medical Officer (CMO) in the instance of this legislation is the job title held by the lead physician who oversees the clinical operations of the medical center and is responsible for ensuring that the medical center's doctors are trained in the center's policies and that medical staff are kept up-to-date on health regulations, they are basically the highest authority at a medical center.
No. The CMO in question for this legislation isn't the CMO of the medical center, it's the CMO of the state DHHS. A political appointee.
The current nominee for that position, opposes gender affirming care, and would ultimately be made responsible not just for reviewing every single case where medical interventions related to gender affirming care are prescribed for minors, but would have a veto for any such care. Something which is at best incredibly problematic for privacy, control & uncertainty reasons for the government to be able to do, and at worst means this bill will just function as an outright ban on gender affirming care for minors. - And now one can only hope that this insane, authoritarian, every-individual-patient-has-to-be-reviewed-by-the-government-to-get-medical-treatment-system isn't expanded further to more people and conditions.
@@AutoGamerZ_ Oh, thank you, I was unaware that this bill set the CMO at the state level.
Now that is even more fcked up than I previously viewed it because is a biased free-ride license for discrimination, racism, continued oppression, and murder.
Here in Austin, TX, we have doctors leaving their jobs at a local children’s hospital because they fear they’ll be arrested for simply providing legitimate medical treatment to minors. The Dell Children’s Medical Center now has no doctors in its adolescent medicine clinic. NO doctors. Teenagers with all sorts of needs - including but not limited to trans teens - have been left with no one to treat them, no one to provide prescription medication for them.
This is exactly what Republicans want.
Republicans in Texas already make it nearly impossible for poor people to get medical care. The state refused to expand Medicaid back when the federal government was paying for said expansion at the start of the ACA. Republicans want poor people to die. Now they want trans kids to die, too. Not shocking considering how much Republicans love seeing schoolchildren blown away by assault weapons. Our state’s legislature is about to conclude its session having passed no bills that would restrict gun sales to mentally ill people in any way, yet they’ve been able to tackle the huge scourges of trans kids and books that mention gay people in any way.
Republicans are evil. They claim to believe in this magical Jesus-fairy who commanded them to care for the poor and the sick (and to welcome immigrants and foreigners) yet they act in exactly the opposite way. That’s vile. Reprehensible. And they’re not only unconcerned about this behavior; they take great pride in how evil they can be.
VOTE, people! We have to get Republicans out of office. The LGBTQ+ community is being actively harmed by these Republicans. The only way to stop this is for decent, intelligent people to get out and vote in Democrats. Both parties are NOT the same. Both are not just as bad. Democrats are not trying to prevent doctors from doing what they deem best for their patients. Democrats are not banning books, passing laws to restrict free speech, making uncomfortable historical topics illegal to be taught in schools. That what the Fascists…errrr…Republicans are doing.
As you said, it's not just the LGBTQ+ community getting actively harmed, it's others as well, especially poor people!
The thing with the doctors are happening in regards to women's health as well!
USA have the highest Maternal Mortality rate in the "Western" world, and now it's only increasing, especially in states that starts banning access to abortion!
They want uninformed loyal party members who would blindly vote for whatever they want. Them being any one of the two parties because it doesn't matter if the pile of crap is red or blue. It's still a pile of crap.
@@aaronabbey2604
What a ridiculous take - it’s not the democrats who are actively trying to remove the rights to abortion or gender affirming care - only one side is doing that!
chill Karen, Jesus
@@aspire90medo1 let me guess - you don’t have to worry about losing your fundamental civil rights if Republicans pass laws to restrict the rights of marginalized groups. Those of us who stand to see our rights taken away can’t afford to "chill." You’re an example of privilege at its worst.
based take, as they say
Good news for Nebraska, not allowing kids to be neutered and protecting others from being murdered
I don't understand. Kids are firm in their trans decision and often don't regret it because they've been affirmed of it by other people, not of their own accord. Isn't that just a self fulfilling cycle of kids being told what they should like? And for the kids who genuinely choose of their own accord, how do we know and make sure their definition of identity is long term and not just what they feel moment to moment at random intervals? I mean, they _are_ kids, those guys can be pretty impulsive sometimes. Genuinely asking.
And to continue on this little spree, let's assume that even a minority of clinics affirm kids' desired gender by exagerating their fleeting emotional desire. Now that kid has options to choose life altering decisions. To substitute such decisions, what'd be the difference if it was alcohol, or even tattoos? It's ok to let minors transition but not get booze or tattoos? I mean, the whole point of the concept of 'minor' is to say that under a certain age, people don't have the extensive, detailed representation of how the world works and a sufficiently sophisticated level of reasoning and analyzing to make calculated, long term decisions, as opposed to, essentially, a hedonistic approach to decision making. I mean, when you let minors under 18, which includes 7 yearl olds btw, into gender affirmation clinics, you guys are treading a _very fine_ line between breaking an unspoken law or not. Of course, this is all merely under the assumption that your gender affirmations are careless in their methods and encouraging of hedonism, which has yet been proven.
If i was God I would turn them gay instantly 😂, imagine the reaction of them? It's a miracle! Haha
Yeah... it's almost like they needed a group to "other" so that they could keep those fires of hatred nice and toasty.
And a lot of people don't realize that if they succeed in totally repressing trans people, their own social circle might become next on the chopping block. Gotta keep that fire burning...
Please stop mispronunciating "acceptance".
Okay Professor Stick, the rest of the video was good but "I didn't know restricting something kids wanted is a way to protect them" was a really dumb thing to say ngl
Wow, sudden ending nailed it.
It's interesting how so many people who are against GAC immediately assume that transitional surgery is an option for minors rather than what actually happens.
It's almost like they immediately assume the worst so they can have something to argue against. 🤔
These people don't care about reality, most think they're bff with THE creator and therefore always right.
My child age 14 identifies as an addict, should I restrict him? Please help.
Get on timcast
Tim is dim.
@@smaakjeks cool story brah
@@donkeyparadise9276 Tim believes leftists will get outbred and go extinct because they're having all the abortions and sterilisations. He said this.
The thing I really hate about Republicans chasing these gender affirming care bans is that it doesn't even achieve the goal they want. If you want fewer children undergoing "permanent" GAC, you need to normalize gender non-conforming presentation. Let people be who they want to be, and support them doing so. You'll find in areas with high LGBT acceptance there's a reduced level of surgery, etc, precisely because they're already accepted for who they are.
Can you cite any papers that confirm that claim?
@@gorillaguerillaDK no specific papers sadly. The TGEU posted a "Trans Health Map" which provides a reasonable overview for the EU as for how accessible GAC is, and comparing that to data from the World Population Review indicates to me that the trend either exists, or it's a wash.
Anecdotally, out of my friends and family who are gender non-conforming, the more accepting their family and area was, the less they felt they had to get surgery to affirm who they were to themselves.
They want us dead. They'd legalize lynching us if they could. They'll build concentration camps for us if they can. They want us miserable.
@@gorillaguerillaDK I think that transpeople fought the German law to not have MANDATED bottom surgery to be accepted as their gender legally should give a good indication. And we see some of the effects in transpeople anecdotally. Now, tjese are no studies of course, but since acceptance is universally the better thing to do, when dealing with peoples personal choices and expressions, I think that when even one transperson has to undergo less medical treatment and be happy because society accepts them just as they are, that is a win in my book, even if this person will never register in a statistic.
Would you disagree? Some things can be sufficiently demonstrated by anecdotes in my book.
Republicans have no interest in representing their constituents, their goal is to rule their constituents along with ruling everybody else. They don’t care one way or another about what is “best” for trans kids, or for best for _any_ kids for that matter, they just want to “other” trans people and make them a despised minority that the majority can kick down on (and thus keep the majority distracted from the reality that Republican policies are making them miserable.
gotta love having my rights taken away from me
Such as
@@donkeyparadise9276 being able to get gender affirming care. trans rights are human rights
@@TheBird.. of its a right, then why do you have to pay for it? 🤔 your rights are NOT being taken away, you've just been gaslighted in order to get you emotional
@@void_hunter94it's free in some places outside eagle island lol
@@void_hunter94 "of its a right, then why do you have to pay for it?"
Would you say the same thing about guns? *cough* right to bear arms *cough*
Thanks bundle of sticks
Suggesting that politicians should make laws that reflect what (most) people want, shows a complete misunderstanding of the purpose of politicians in an oligarchical society. ;)
2:09 "I didn't know restricting something some kids wanted was a way to protect them."
Really? What about alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, driving a car, etc?
Yeah, honestly that was a really dumb thing for him to say
Those things are actually dangerous
@@flerpaderp4397 So it's probably a good idea to restrict them, yeah?
@@CorrosiveCitrus Yes, actually dangerous things should be restricted. Luckily, puberty blockers and HRT aren't dangerous unless you're being intentionally irresponsible with them
@@flerpaderp4397 That's great you believe that, so the arguement should be if they are dangerous or not, rather than just saying "restricting something kids want isn't a way to protect them."
As a trans ally, the close friend to a trans questioning person, a childhood cancer survivor, and a striving pediatric NP, I'm glad to live so close to Boston Children's Hospital. I have them to thank for saving my life and am amazed by the work that they do their. #bostonstrong
Lay off the ego
You really have to show some statistics to prove that doing medical Procedures to the youth is better then them waiting.
Would you have the same opinion when it comes to, for example, circumcision?
@Atheist Yoda circumcision is useless but the medical Procedures that we are talking about is much more extreme.
He did? He showed it, he showed the rate of regret and how low it is, and even explained how the majority was social ramifications rather than then realizing they weren't trans.
Aad news, but worth knowing. Thanks Prof!
First I'm finally getting my hormones, and now Stick uploads another trans positive video.
The world sucks, but I'm still happy today.
Congratulations!
The world will always suck, sometimes extremely much - but there will be days where there's reasons to be joyful - and days that are just less shitty - learn to treasure them both, and who knows, maybe you will end up on average having far more happy days than bad ones!
We should not be teaching transgenderism to kids. Just because it's what they want doesn't mean it's what's best for them. I respectfully disagree with your take on it. I am in favor of banning it for minors. It's not so much that they want it it's being pushed onto them by their liberal parents. And they're convinved they want it. We need to teach parents to not gaslight their kids.
I feel so bad for all the trans people in the USA, especially in these states that are making bullshit laws to prevent transition. My friend lives in Florida, which has passed a bill that is effectively banning transition for **ALL**, not just minors. My friend is 19 and had his appointment with his nurse cancelled, and the same thing happened to majority of other trans people in Florida. Floridan Republicans are basically forcing all transgender people in Florida into detransition.
I'm trans myself, and I've been on testosterone for almost 10 months and the positive impact it has had on me and my life is incredible. I actually feel like a person now, I am so much more happier, confident and at ease with myself and my body.
What these conservative lawmakers want is for trans people to detransition, for us to stop existing. They know they can use a fear of trans people to get votes, then force these terrible laws on their citizens. They don't care about the facts, they don't care about kids, they want control over minorities, for us to live in fear, hidden away from the public eye. You can show them facts and they won't listen, they call it "liberal propaganda." There is no compromise with people who want us dead.
How exactly is the US the beacon of freedom again?
Always happy to see positive trans care from these kinds of channels. It's a bright light in the sea of the transphobic internet
The argument about waiting for someone to turn 18 is rather ridiculous. It implies that turning 18 suddenly changes your ability to make well informed decisions. Age has got little to do with your mental capabilities, after all most people never reach the point where they can make smart decisions all the time. We wouldn’t need law enforcement and regulations if we did.
Great point!
Also, the same people who wanna ban gender affirming care for adolescents, (something that happens after much of consideration and after many lengthy therapy sessions - and is constantly getting monitored by healthcare professionals), are very quick to put minors in prison for acts committed due to lack of impulse control!
Heck, even planned crimes by teenagers can't be compared - and yet, they will still give them life in prison!
At the ages of 11-25, the human brain goes through a rewiring process during puberty. During this time, one of the first few regions of the brain to go through changes is the Limbic system, or the reward region. This regions function is to provide an individual with a feel good emotion when they are rewarded, say from a like, a view, a thumbs up, or approval. However, at this time of development, the prefrontal cortex has yet to go through proper changes & is under developed. The prefrontal cortex is reasonable for reason & weighing the differences between risk & reward. This is why teens are more reckless, more susceptible to addiction, & make LOTS of stupid mistakes. Example: the tide pod challenge. Any adult knows that eating a tide pod is extremely dangerous. But teens, who were the demographic doing the challenge, wanted the likes, the views, the popularity of doing the "hip new thing". This is also why things like voting, drinking, smoking, marriage, joining the military, & driving have age restrictions. Because children are still developing, & they can not make life long decisions that come with serious consequences
@@void_hunter94
There are lots of places where you can get married very young, there are places where you can start driving at 15, join the military at 17, (some places you can even join three months before you turn 17).
The age for buying alcohol and tobacco depends on which country you're in as well.
A lot of countries will put a kid in front of a judge if they commit a crime - FFS, in the US there're several places kids will be put on trial as adults if the crime is severe enough!
Now, in contrast to crime and eating tied pods to get likes - Gender Affirming Care is something a individual can only get while being in contact with healthcare professionals who's work and recommendations are based on decades of clinical experience and research.
The diagnostic criteria and recommendations regarding best practice set in WHO ICD-11 is literally based on input from highly experienced specialists from within a variety of different fields of medicine - based on decades of research and clinical experiences!
But somehow you still want to conflate it with kids doing stupid things for likes!
Now if that's the kind of respect you have for the field of medicine - then you should never ever get an appointment with a doctor!
That firearm stat is an inflated number and not correct. They had to add teens and 18 & 19 year olds to pump up those numbers.
What's the correct number, and what's the top 3 of traumatic deaths for kids? Is one of them "being trans"?
There's not a chance in the world that you have kids is there?
Not sure on what to say other than: It's an absolute tragedy.
It's not always the kids that want it, parents can be the reason as much as society itself. Indoctrination is a thing no matter what the topic is, especially with how lately not wanting to date someone trans comes with the transphobia label, people are not homophobic for not wanting to date the same sex.
Being trans has many many many things that come with it and it's not something a child can easily understand, especially after surgery with all the caveats the individual will have to put up with.
Becoming trans is a serious life decision that includes more than just "feeling" and counts an entire change of habits with society expectations.
Take it from me having the experience with someone that has fully transitioned, life is good but it had it's really hard challenges.
I wouldn't let someone have HRT until they are at least 16 year of age and have full comprehension of things to come.
Forget just counting people who don't "regret" their change, there are people who are genuinely distressed and have attempted suicide to which is not just "public shaming" to blame, HRT really can screw with your body just as much as your mental.
Some people have done HRT as a form of escapism with the idea that everything will be okay also, ignorant of the cost and situations they'll be put in.
Seriously, don't mess around with HRT. Make sure the person or yourself understand all that it means.
"Becoming trans"
It’s not something one become, it’s something a person are!
@@gorillaguerillaDK You literally do become trans through. It's a process that an individual goes through in order to achieve what they perceive as their correct gender.
One does not NEED to transition. It is purely a WANT. Through that's not to say such wants shouldnt be allowed.
Regardless the concern the op brought up, that of indoctraination, is valid. Like the religious, such can leave deep scars on the lives of those others crafted.
But there is an arguement that transitioning can be a time sensitive issue. Just that the ages that would benefit from such cases, also tend to be the ones that arnt fully capable of understanding the potential consequences of such choices.
It's a complicated issue unfortunately.
@@failegion7828 You don't become Trans, you're born that way.
@@failegion7828 as a trans person, no transition is not a "want" it is a need. If I could live my life without needing to take testosterone, I would. If I could live my life without needing to save up for top surgery, I would. These are things I NEED to live as myself and be comfortable in my body. Not letting trans people transition causes high depression rates and suicide attempts.
You don't understand anything about transition or trans people, we are the LAST people who would force someone to live as a gender that they are not. We do not "become trans", we are **born trans**. We take the steps nessacary to be who we are.
I would not hate my body as much as I do now if I had've been able to transition when I was younger. Transition for kids is never anything permanent. Puberty blockers are things a child can just come off and their bio puberty will start. Hormones are a thing that typically happen at 16 or older, with **informed consent**, we are told the positive and negative effects and it is our choice to go through that. Surgery doesn't happen until after 18 in most places and you need several notes from doctors to say that you are capable and sound of mind in understanding what will happen.
Of course, there ARE detransitioners, but they are less than 2% of the trans population, and most of them detransition because of discrimination and lack of support. Plus, a 2% regret rate is a miracle for any procedure.
" especially with how lately not wanting to date someone trans comes with the transphobia label"
*I mean... because it often is from transphobic origins. Not always... but often.*
Well said. USA is nuts.
Asking Republicans to talk to trans kids, and read surveys and studies? That would put them out of their comfort zone. Not something they'd do. 🐘😐
Hi, center-right conservative here. Talked to & listened to trans people, listened to dozens upon dozens of detrans stories, read surveys, & researched study upon study. Minors can not consent to life long decisions
@@void_hunter94 Well sir, you seem to have defied my expectations. Bravo! Thank you for your valid opinion, and I look forward to hearing more.
@@void_hunter94 "Minors can not consent to life long decisions"
Alright, so your opinion is the same regarding operations such as circumcision?
@@atheistyoda8915 point to me where circumcision causes severe life long consequences, & I'll give you my thoughts on it. Cause I'm pretty sure consequences such as: brittle bones, scoliosis, brain swelling, loss of vision, mental stunting, micropenis for boys, infertility, & having no sexual feeling in that region would give any sane person a pause. Mind you, these are just some of the side effects of "puberty blockers" that the community doesn't want you to know about
2:09 "i didn't know restricting something, some kids wanted, is a way to protect them".
so... you're pro guns for kids?
What point do you think you're making?
I disagree. I'm with you on there needing to be more weeks for abortion, and on guns being the bigger problem, but I just can't side with you on allowing teenagers to transition, god forbid any younger than teenage. Saying "I was that guy, trust me! I thought the same way before I didn't!" doesn't mean I am just going to believe that you have good reason to change your view. I don't have the same experiences, or mindset that you do.
I have talked with a few trans people and in my experiences they seem to rush into the decision. Well, _relatively_ rushed. With only the most liberal of them toward the matter saying hormone/puberty blockers are golden save-all, despite not having been tested for long term side effects, among other things. That isn't the kind of person I think can reliably make decisions for themselves that will intrinsically effect their lives for decades to come.
I'm just not buying it. If you want to convince be of something as important as changing the age someone can do that, you have to be the one to provide me evidence and convince me your reasoning is the correct one. That burden is entirely on whoever tells someone like me to think differently, because it is their idea and not mine after all. And I think the idea of it is very harmful.
Professor Stick, could you please make a video on it so I can hear about whatever things made you change your mind?
Edit (I mispelled "Teanager" as "Tanager" on accident once in the 3 paragraphs and @diatheifofpancakes got real upset about it for some reason. plz don't be grammar-Nazi)
(More accurately, @diatheifofpancakes 's exact words were:
*_Considering you didn't spell Teenagers correctly, a fairly easy word to get right. People shouldn't treat your opinion seriously The majority of what you said was also totally false_*
If you reading this also think that, I suggest you get a life outside of talking down to people for making spelling errors.
Considering you didn't spell Teenagers correctly, a fairly easy word to get right. People shouldn't treat your opinion seriously
The majority of what you said was also totally false
"I have talked with a few trans people"
*I don't believe you.*
They have been tested for long term side effects. HRT has been used for trans people since *before WW2.* We know exactly what the side effects are, you just can’t be bothered to do _literally_ any research.
@@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 First of all, you can't just say that because I misspelled teenager on accident that I'm wrong and my view is baseless and invalid.
Secondly. So you are saying that my personal experiences are totally false? Or are you saying that my *view* is false? If it's my view, I still haven't heard you explain why I am wrong. You're just hateful that I disagree with you. I was asking for other people's reasoning for their views, not some asshole who just wants to shut me down and say my stance is invalid without giving a reason.
@@Diviance Why not? I don't really care if you believe me or don't.
In fact, I don't believe YOU have talked with trans people. So what would you know about it anyway? Get lost.
I'm pro choice but 22 weeks seems way too late for an abortion
Women are pregnant for 9 months
@Bob Kane it's actually closer to 10 months
Basing decisions on factual data is preferable to how things "seem" or feel...🤔
@@bobkane432 and 22 weeks is over 5 months. That's pretty damn far along
And this is absolutely a known issue because over 90% of all abortions are done by or before 13 weeks. And we can be on 15 weeks is usually for a medical reason so why do you want to borrow women from getting abortions for medical reasons??? Why don't you actually learn something instead of making stupid comments
Stick speaks truths,, again.
What truth
@@donkeyparadise9276 That trans-people exist and should get access to gender-affirming care. That banning abortion is bad.
I agree with talking to transgender people about this. However, I think it is just as important to talk to those who thought about it as teens and pre teens, but eventually changed their minds somewhere down the line of becoming an adult.
Erm... why? They are not trans, they are not affected by any of this.
With whome we need to talk are people that started medical treatment and then realised they don't want to continue, to improve the quality of care for everybody involved. But this is allready happening.
And these things don't need to be talked about on twitter or youtube necessarly, they need to be talked in the medical community.
@@hannajung7512 Except for "why", I agree with almost everything you said. I just stated that there are kids out there who are considering transgender but do not do so and still live productive lives. I have nothing against those who do come to the truth in their mind that they would be happier and more fulfilled as the opposite gender. I am not the bad guy here.
Fun fact. We have. It’s less that 1% of all people who transition who regret it, and a large majority of that 1% who do detransition, do so because they were in an unsupportive environment where continuing to transition would be more harmful to them than not. If any other treatment had a 99% success rate it would be considered a miracle.
@@TheElf_Online I'd love to see that study if you have it.
@@workdiggitz ok I forgot comment moderation won’t let me link it directly but it’s “Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence” and it’s public on the NIH/NLH pubmed site.
I still find it funny that people think someone who is trans aren't allowed to know until they're 18, but if you're not trans then knowing at 5 is perfectly fine.
Kids a 5 shouldn't be introduced to the subject at all.
@True Scotsman Kids shouldn't be told that its okay to be themselves? I don't know about you, but at 5 I already knew something was different about me compared to other boys, I wanted the Poly Pocket while they wanted the Mighty Max, I wanted a pretty dress, I wanted a Princess make over at Disney World. I just wish the support was there when I was younger.
Professor Stick! 👍💖💙🥰✌
Why do you think that minors know what they actually want, especially on something that change their life forever?
Why do you think kids don't know what gender they are? Puberty also changes their life forever.
@@smaakjeks Kids think they are superheros so do we make them superheros? Not to mention a huge factor to this is family and other people are trying to influence them. Also puberty is actually something that's supposed to happen, not trying to turn into the opposite gender.
@@modestas2518 "Kids think they are superheros so do we make them superheros?"
No, they don't. They pretend, for fun, for like half a day at most.
"Not to mention a huge factor to this is family and other people are trying to influence them."
Yeah, almost all of them assume their kids are straight, cis-gender, neuro-typical, and right-handed, until shown otherwise.
"Also puberty is actually something that's supposed to happen, not trying to turn into the opposite gender."
What do you mean by supposed to happen? Nature has no intention. Cancer is as natural and intended as the lack thereof.
Doesn't hormone blockers cause long term affects during adolescence?
@@z-tm3sd it causes unreversable damage to the body and probably the mind as well.
22 weeks seems reasonable. But gender affirming care for minors, shouldn’t they need to be adults for that type of thing??? I mean, I have the right to a firearm, but I can’t buy it until I’m 18. I have the right to vote, but I can’t vote until I’m 18. I’m not understanding the curtailment of a right here if they move the age to 18.
How cute, at the very end, you explain how you don’t understand how an actual rights works while complaining about a right that doesn’t actually exist!!! Absolute hilarity!!!
@@chadb9270 Since when could they transition without the permission of the parent? Do you even know anything of how the transition process works?
@@domenicore5239 , pretty sure there’s a big kerfuffle in this nation because certain teachers and certain schools have policies that were actively hide what their children want to do from the parents.
Maybe you should actually read up on the subject you’re talking about???
I’m also curious how you feel about the age to do these things. You would probably say that it’s perfectly fine to start transitioning, hormones and drugs before the age of 13. Because they’re mentally competent and they know what they are and what they want. Yet you would make the age of firearm purchases 25 or 30, because the same people aren’t mentally competent to make such purchasing decisions.
So, not able to have it both ways, which one is it???
@Chad B False equivalency and a strawman argument, firstly. I argued no such thing. Do not put words in my mouth.
Secondly, I would argue the statistics here. Transgender children who receive support are actually statistically less suicidal than the average cis child, whereas gun restrictions in countries that implement them have lower rates of school shootings in first world OECD nations. The argument isn't that of "mental competency" and entirely that of the outcomes of such policy. And before you go ahead and immediately assume I want full fledged gun bans, the way gun restrictions should work is a licensing system, as you would for driving. A person who wishes to purchase a gun needs to present that
A. They understand gun safety and proper gun handling and that
B. They are mentally capable of owning a gun.
You loocked the evidende? What evidence? I was totally oppisitive to you! Erlier I was super pro hormon blockers for kids and stuff like that.. but the evidences totally opened my eyes. Look at stats of detransitions and real phisical problems after takeing hormones. Don't look at the activists data.
Detransitioners are less than 1% of the transgender population. Also most medication has some negative side effects that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take it
@Imran Zakhaev A recent meta-study analysed a total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of gender-affirming surgeries. 1% regret their procedures. So, what unbiased science did you check out?
Cool, what evidence was that Pawko?
@@smaakjeks A few years ago, the process of gender reassignment (also referred to as gender reassignment, gender transition or gender reassignment) was routinely performed in Sweden by minors experiencing gender dysphoria, i.e. discomfort or suffering caused by non-acceptance of their biological sex. However, the Karolinska Institute - a prestigious medical university and university hospital known for awarding Nobel Prizes in medicine or physiology - has abandoned such a permissive and affirmative approach. Let's start with some facts. New recommendations of the Karolinska Institute, relating primarily to the Children's Hospital of Astrid Lindgren, ended the previous practice of prescribing puberty blockers and sex hormones to people with gender dysphoria before the age of eighteen. The previous affirmative approach (according to which a child or teenager knows for himself who he feels and wants to be and can consciously decide to change his sex) was rejected, leaving the path open only as part of individual experimental procedure.
The Karolinska Institute decided to do this after Finland abandoned its gender reassignment policy for minors in 2020. Its Health Authority (Palveluvalikoima, Council for Choices in Health Care in Finland) reviewed the research and concluded that there is no conclusive evidence that the administration of puberty blockers and sex hormones improves the situation of patients. Concerns also came from British scientists, doctors and psychologists. The British NHS (National Health Services) commissioned an independent report. Its result indicated that drugs used for gender transition can cause serious side effects. Many of them occur often, and not - as we used to think about side effects - once in several thousand people. All these countries are very progressive and yet something has started to change. Maybe it's because scientists, not activists, have finally tackled this topic? I did not mention similar changes in France, Scotland or Spain.
@@smaakjeks As for the meta-analysis you mentioned, yes, that's the kind of crap Stick keeps repeating. There are a number of serious reasons why these figures are dramatically underestimated. The main one concerns the methodological survivability error. It consists in the fact that the study of the percentage of detransition - i.e. the percentage showing how many people revert their gender change - includes people who have legally changed their sex and then returned to their true gender. Meanwhile, a lot of people give up gender transition before changing their identity documents. These people are usually not included in such studies. To visualize the scale of the survival bias, let's imagine a hypothetical example where out of 100 people starting a gender transition, only 20 make a record (i.e. legal) change in documents, and the remaining 80 reverse the process before deciding to take legal action. Then of those 20 people, one reverses the gender change, while the other 19 stick to it. The official statistics will therefore state that only 5% of people (one in twenty) detransition, while in reality in this example it would be 81% (81 people out of 100). Proponents of gender reassignment often refer to research studies looking at how many people reverted their gender transition five years after starting it, which usually indicate a few percent of those surveyed. Meanwhile, “there is some evidence that people revert their gender on average 4 or 8 years after a complete gender transition” (R. Hall et al. “Access to care and frequency of detransition among a cohort discharged by a UK national adult gender identity clinic: retrospective case-note review.” BJPsych Open (2021)). I know a man who reverted his sex change after 8 years, so if he were included in such a 5-year research period, he would also add to the "satisfied" statistics.
Yeah, giving kids that what they want is always the best thing ... that makes the best adults ... just not in reality.
Is being shot worst than rebuilding your body and doing drugs? Short term impact on the family, yes it it. Long term effects on the person, the familie and the one that needs to pay all of that, absolutly not. So it depends how you approach it.
Haiyaa concern trolling eh? Before even the child undergoes HRT (or any medication really), they were informed about possible side effects, and can ask to stop whenever it's becoming unbearable. Or maybe you're the kind of person who shove pills on children without asking consent?
@@hanifarroisimukhlis5989 Fuiyoh, based response!
@@hanifarroisimukhlis5989 An informed child is still a child, there is a reason we don't give them guns, let them drive cars, let them vote etc.
@@K212Utr Would you say the same thing about circumcision?
@@atheistyoda8915 Yes, just don't do that, unless there is a medical reason.
Get 'em!
Huh?
@@donkeyparadise9276 Expressing my support for Stick's rant on flat-bottomed politicians.
I have followed you through all sorts of crank-busting arguments based on science and reason, and I have generally found nothing serious to criticize, but I fear you may have lost track of reason here. At the age of sixty, I am well aware that I have made many blunders in my life, but I made most of the big ones before I was 30. A good many of them could be attributed to peer-group pressure, especially in my teenage years, but I also made some bad on-the-spot decisions that came close to ruining my life. Teenage decisions are almost always bad ones, and the bigger such decisions are, the more wide-ranging and long-lasting their consequences are likely to be. Indeed, even seemingly small decisions can have huge knock-on effects, and teenagers often don't appreciate the import of their whims. The American prison system is testimony to that fact. Why is any of this relevant? Well, because adolescence and early adulthood are confusing times for almost everybody. A wealth of experience and emotions wash over us for ten or twenty years, and few of us are mentally equipped to get through them all and emerge unscathed and largely satisfied. Let's not forget that in the U.S.A., people under 21 have strong restrictions on alcohol consumption, and you are now saying that they should be allowed to undergo irreversible life-changing surgery before they have even legally painted the town red.
Good thing no one is suggesting people have life changing irreversable surgery on a whim then, isnt it?
I know you literally just didn't compare a life saving set of treatments to chugging a cold one with Da Boiz
Let me hear, how many of your stupid mistakes happened while consulting healthcare professionals and undergoing a long row of consultations where you underwent psychiatric evaluations and was monitored by a team of healthcare professionals?
@@Peepshow789 Of all I said, you latched on to an aside?
@@AnonimityAssured it was the only thing of substance worth commemting on, and also I hate you instinctively for being ignorant yet feeling like you can wade into a conversation you know nothing about. Just so you can add more weight against an already marginalised group simply because the world is leaving you behind and it makes you afraid. I cant do much to lift that weight but I can at least shout back. So Ill pick any part of your nonsense to crap all over I damn well please.
You do not need to create an argument in order for biology to function, you only need to create arguments when biology does not function the way you think it should so you want to change it and get others to help you change it.
This is the reality you guys need to come to terms with.
This supposes that Republicans care about facts or arguments. If all one cares about is an argument to allow medical procedures when biology doesn't function the way we think it should, then that's just called modern medicine.
I don’t follow what exactly you’re referring to.
So if I'm 14 I'm able to make the decision to completely alter my body in some states but not whether I want to rail/get railed by a 20 year old or not? The US are wild. Make it make sense.
You can't make the decision alone at that age for transitioning.
Chip chip chip... they're coming for everything.
Nebraska is one of two states where the age of majority is 19 instead of 18. the other being Alabama. That's why the surgery ban is set to that age. So now, people, who would be adults in 48 other states, are being denied the rights to their bodies.
Well I can't remember why I'm subscribed to you. I don't care about abortions but to promote kids transitioning is where I draw the line. So long
What are you drawing the line on, though? Do you know what "kids transitioning" entails?
Even scientists can be idiots at times.
What do you mean
More like professor coat hangar
"22 weeks isnt as long as id feel comfortable"
What exactly is a woman doing that she cant get an abortion within 22 weeks? That is past the point of sentience, and the point of pain perception.
If we really cared that much about bodily autonomy, then what exactly is wrong with aborting in the 9th month?
So you obviously have no idea what's going on with this discussion. If you have a woman that's going to have complications at 15 weeks she should absolutely be able to have an abortion. These laws are so vague that doctors cannot perform an abortion when it is medically necessary at 15 weeks or 19 weeks or 21 weeks. If you get your head out of your own but you would know that over 90% of all abortions are performed before or by 13 weeks. That means that everything else beyond 15 weeks is for medical reasons.
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite interesting, don't forget to mention also that aprox
Sir i am deeply regregreted to inform you these people would rather send the baby to a wood chipper than deal with logic and reasoning. How else will they carry out Margaret Sangers vision of eliminating the blacks from our society, while pointing the finger at normal white people calling them racists against blacks? HOW?
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite that is entirely incorrect. There is no law stopping a doctor from performing a necessary medical procedure in the event of a complication. you're just spouting left wing propaganda that has no basis in reality.
@@AlessandroRodriguez lol citation needed.
20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage and a large number of those need medical intervention
What percentage of miscarriages require surgery?
About 50% of women who miscarry do not undergo a D&C procedure. Women can safely miscarry on their own with few problems in pregnancies that end before 10 weeks. After 10 weeks, the miscarriage is more likely to be incomplete, requiring a D&C procedure.
Its just genocide with extra steps 😕
From the website of the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, the Ten Stages of Genocide:
- *Classification.* There's a division of 'Us' and 'Them,' which can be carried out using stereotypes or excluding people who are perceived to be different.
- *Symbolisation.* There is a visual manifestation of hatred.
- *Discrimination.* The dominant group denies civil rights or even citizenship to identified groups.
- *Dehumanisation.* Those perceived as different are treated with no form of human rights or personal dignity.
- *Organisation.* Genocides are always planned. Regimes of hatred often train those who go on to carry out the destruction of a people.
- *Polarisation.* Propaganda begins to be spread by hate groups.
- *Preparation.* Perpetrators plan the genocide. They often use euphemisms.
- *Persecution.* Victims are identified and death lists are drawn up.
- *Extermination.* The hate group murders their identified victims in a deliberate and systematic campaign of violence.
- *Denial.* The perpetrators or later generations deny the existence of any crime.
Not hard to find examples of most of those, is it? Heck, we can see some of them in this comment section.
What the heck stick? I'm sorry, but please double check your sources and read more on this. Forgive me, but this does not seem like a good take
yea dude... he is way out of touch. he's just completely shilling left wing propaganda and talking points... he has no clue on the realities of these things... like holy shit. then he throws out GUN CONTROL. LMFAO. yes, let's destroy the family, compel speech instead of having free speech and then as the cherry on top let's take away our second right to have firearms to protect us from government overreach... sounds like the leftist utopia.. entire generations of single sheeple with no attention spans who only care about what victim class they belong to... what a joke.
You're not a good take
Look at every single major medical organization. They have all approved gender affirming care for minors and show that it has a high efficacy rate.
@@yelljal2764 excuse me? double check that shit or show me some facts on it. show me this high efficacy rate... cause you're just repeating bullshit you heard from someone else that isn't true... just like the idea that stopping puberty from happening and restarting it later in life is a complete natural and organic thing with no complications... yea right. cause the human body just has a built in pause button to our entire biology.. wake up
@@spacelegos4964
Amazing how confidently wrong the right-wing always are.
bye bye
Same people that root for truth can't accept the truth that gender affirming care is harmful as a whole but especially to minors. You guys are ridiculous
Do we have a source for that claim?
I don't really have strong views on abortion so I won't go near it. But you really think it's acceptable to let a minor make permanent irreversible changes to their body with hormones and sometimes surgery before they even reach the age of consent? I'm 24 and I don't even know what I want to do for a permanent career, yet we will let children make the decision to be sterilized? Sounds messed up to me.
Sure, if you present the matter like that, both inaccurately stating what gender affirming care for minors typically involves, and then subsequently treat gender affirming care as a minor basically just making decisions about irreversible changes, which they may as well regret, while one would typically not utilise the same train of thought for other medical treatments that are considered medically necessary, you're going to get a situation that sounds pretty messed up: You'd essentially end up somewhat equivocating gender affirming care with getting a tattoo, or cosmetic body modification, rather then a more accurate equivocation (both regarding the standards of ethics & consent used, as well as regarding medical necessity) to treatment of other medical conditions, which may also come with considerable, permanent, irreversible effects.
I could give due background about gender dysphoria, what gender affirming care *actually* looks like for minors and the guidelines for how, when and why it is utilised; and I gladly will if you'd like me too, but it really isn't necessary to make a basic statement against what the GOP is doing:
The major medical associations, who are responsible for and trusted to make these guidelines because they are the ones with both the clinical expertise and expertise on the medical ethics at hand, recommend gender affirming care be available to minors within (many) strict guidelines. Politicians are expected not to create laws that interfere with those medical guidelines because they are not the ones with the relevant clinical & medical ethics expertise to make those decisions; and creating laws that strictly set guidelines in stone (even if they'd agree with the medical associations), makes it difficult to change the rules if the ethical views of the scientific community change based on new evidence, if treatment options change and/or if knowledge about conditions, as well as making it impossible for doctors and other providers of care to depart from the guidelines to meet the needs of individual patients, which is sometimes needed when patients have unique circumstances, abnormal symptoms, don't respond to treatment, can't have regular treatments and/or have several conditions at once. (That's a big part of the reason why guidelines, rather then laws, dictate how treatments are given to begin with.) When the law tries to enforce matters *against* scientific consensus & medical guidelines, you end up with a situation that forces doctors to act against their oath, and in which getting patients that are even close to a grey area with the law end up potentially denied treatments because doctors risk persecution by the state if they treat their patients, often with severe consequences for patients, which may include death, depending on what matters the law is regulating.
That's not just an issue with gender affirming care bans; it's an issue with (most) abortion bans & restrictions we've seen in recent times too.
@@AutoGamerZ_ I disagree, I've seen too many cases where people regret the decision they've made. Let minors wait.
@@glitch1182 You've... seen?
@AutoGamerZ_ Just out of curiosity, have you seen the Jordan Peterson interview with Chloe Cole?
@@theflyingfetus9405 No, but I am fairly familiar with the horrors of Cole's story via other means.
If you'd like to raise any related points, questions or concerns I should have enough backround knowledge to discuss.
2:08 “Hmm, I didn’t know restricting something some kids wanted is a way to protect them” - Wonder if this guy thinks anything a kid wants should be granted to them. Alcohol, tobacco, guns, drugs are just a few things some kids want. Though he is promoting this new gender bender ideology, so maybe he just doesn’t care about kids and likely has none himself. Surprisingly fair about the abortion issue for a blue hair though. All of the studies they reference are new, mostly because this issue wasn’t an issue until very recent in human psychology. No other country than the US pushes this now, the European areas stopped it because of the data he neglects. It is a non issue, like 5+ years ago, everywhere else in the world.
The same types that go on and on about protecting democracy are the same to denounce it indirectly when proposed measures go against their new found belief systems. The death cult of the far left will fizzle itself out soon enough, just watch idiocracy for a historical future.
Simply not true!
Denmark is currently considering removing the minimum age for social transition!
They are just following the recommendations of WHO ICD-11
In case you’re unfamiliar with ICD-11 it’s the result of consensus among leading experts in the fields from more than 50 countries!
Just because a couple of countries has, for purely political reasons and against the recommendations of leading experts in the field, made it considerable harder to access Gender Affirming Care, doesn’t change the fact that after decades of research and clinical experience, it’s what specialists from more than 50 countries recommend!
The difference is that tobacco and guns are dangerous, transitioning is not.
@@TimOsman
It is amazing how confidently wrong the right-wing always is.
Guns don't kill ppl and dude you are way out there kids don't even know what they want day to day and should not be allowed to do that until an adult. .PERIOD!!!. AND NO GUNS SHOULD BE RESTRICTED.... PERIOD!!!!
What about High Caliber Heavy Machine Guns like the M2 .50cal or DShK, M777 Artillery Gun, M134 Minigun, etc. All those are guns and any *sane* person would want to regulate those.
Also, where are Guns mentioned in the video? I literally just watched and haven't heard a peep about Guns, do enlighten me
based. Yes
@@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 automatic weapons are not allowed
@@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 Watch it again. It's 3 fkn minutes
@@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 slight correction, guns were alluded to at the very end in stick's argument about protecting children
But yeah I agree it's stupid
You are going overboard with your personal opinions and confuse them with science.
Biaslife.
No, your ridiculous and wrong 😢
Proof?
No, your ridiculous and wrong 😢
you're*
1) Transitioning:
Please be aware that we don’t have the ability to “change anyone’s gender” using current technology. The word “transitioning” shouldn’t be used, as it causes confusion, instead it should be called “mimicking” or trying to imitate the opposite gender while remaining biologically the same initial gender) using life long hormonal injections (causing numerous side effects) and cosmetic procedures. Why not avoid all the side effects by just wearing make up and opposite gender clothing?
We cannot change gender at the DNA level or transplant an uterus or testes to the opposite gender, using current technology. Sadly it’s unlikely that we will ever be able to change anyone’s gender even using future technologies, also.
Sadly small groups of gender activists are trying to misinform people about the ability to transition to the opposite gender just by choosing what you want. Unless medically advised due to medical issues, we should never take hormones and/or alter any part of our body. These anti-medical self choice transitioning procedures will create numerous problems to many people, lawsuits and many medical professionals will be put in prison while losing their medical licence.
Let’s accept what nature provided us and be as happy as we can with it, no one is what we would like to be, and that’s ok.
2) Abortion:
If an organism is attached to you, taking your nutrients and affecting your body in many ways, it’s your choice to agree to keep this organism or not. However, killing the baby is not acceptable also, and so, the option to remove the baby and transfer to an artificial womb would be the best solution.
Gender =/= sex.
Two different concepts. Have been for a long time in academic literature.
Yes we can actually transplant genetilia, we have done it before successfully plenty times. The procedure has not yet been perfected however. Do not underestimate medical science. We were told that heart transplants, or organ transplants in general were impossible.
Hormones are reversible.
The male and female body are identical in operation, they are not that dissimilar. The difference in gender identity comes down to hormonal differences and how the brain's chemistry is.
There are thousands of genes that control sex expression. Not just the X or Y chromosome, which largely do not a whole lot. It is completely possible for someone, and happens frequently, that a woman is born with the XY chromosome pair, but lacks the SRY gene. Which largely controls male sex expression. Sywer Syndrome. Same things happens with XX males but they have the SRY gene.
Biology is not as simple as people believe. And so long as you have one X chromosome, you can have any number of others.
Plus several genes that change how your body releases or reacts to hormones - which is where most of sex expression comes from. This means there can be a disparity from the brain to the body - where transsexualism comes from.
Transsexualism is a form of intersexualism in a sense. Where we have observed hormonal, and genetic differences in those individuals. DSM defines it as a disorder on the level of ASD. Where the brain has developed atypically due to some difference in genetics.
We shouldn't ever settle for what we have. If we did humans would have gone nowhere. We should always push to be the best, and happiest version of ourselves.
It comes with the territory of clinical depression as a result of server dysphoria. Not treating this leads to people harming themselves. They literally cannot "be happy with what they have." That is a silly argument and must be born from "nothing is wrong for me, therefore nothing is wrong at all for anyone."
Otherwise you must also want to deny depressed people antidepressants, which have several side affects and you will be on them likely life long.
Against ASD and ADHD people from taking their medications, as again there are side affects and is life long.
These conditions, disorders, and genetic differences are complicated, and often misunderstood by the average person. Which is not a bad thing necessarily, it is just that the average person doesn't need to understand them in detail.
We should be striving to help everyone achieve good mental health. This is what medical and mental health standards have advised for transsexualism, and all disorders and for mental health since the 80s. And even before that were doctors studying and trying to understand it.
It's imperative that we understand these things, and help those in need. As self harm rates are increasing across the board. Not deny people the care they need and worsen the situation.
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@@xenokyomiexcept we BOTH KNOW IT IS. You sound like Kent Hovand pretending "micro-evolution" is not 🚫 JUST FUCKIN' EVOLUTION! 🧬
@@xenokyomi Incorrect information given, hormone therapy is "not reversible" and carries many "side effects". As a new method, we are still discovering more and more side effects of this misuse of medical resources.
Genitalia are not transplanted in most cases, it's just cut or changed to "appear" the opposite gender. How many trans-women have an implanted uterus and implanted vagina as close to 0% as 0% can be, these procedures are experimental and shouldn't be advised in schools or anywhere else, without the presence of a non-biased panel of medical professionals.
Your point about someone genetically born as a male XY chromosome, is a completely different scenario compared to telling people that they can "choose" which gender they want to be or "identify". If there is a medical issue, a "non-woke" medical professional will provide unbiased advice.
Please don't promote misinformation, unless you want to be personally liable to deal with the "side effects" of these experimental procedures.
@googleuser3620 The point about differing genetics is a point on how biology is not as simple as people are led to believe. Sex is a bimodal distribution with bias to the extremes. It is a point on how these things are genetic, and the disparity between the brain and the body is completely possible. And that the idea of gender identity is a different subject that can have disparity to the body or genetic makeup. This is precisely how transsexualism is, a disparity between the body and the brain, even having disparity between the associated norm and expected norm for genetics. As seen in that example I gave also.
I would like to point out that you are correct on how we cannot change someone's genetics, but you fail to realise there is genetic evidence for transsexualism being a likely case of intersexualism. Which yes, we cannot change. People are born like this.
Yes, genitals are not transplanted widely, yet, I was saying that unlike what you believe, it is completely possible and we have done it before. The idea that it is impossible is silly, as it was deemed impossible to do a lot of things that we do commonly now. I never made any mention that it should be taught to children, nice strawman.
Hormones are reversible, as much as we can change them now, we can revert most if not all those changes in the same way. Side affects are inherent of any and all medication. However like most medications, they are reversible. Anything that changes brain or body chemistry to help stabilise someone in some way is completely reversible. We do it all the time. And we are procuring different medication and things of that nature every year, so what exactly?
Dexamphetamine, Lisdexamphetamine, methylphenidate, atomoxetine, guanfacine, dexmethylphenidate, dextroamphetamine. Are all given to children and adults by the way to treat other mental disorders. All with their side affects and complications. If you're against hormone therapy (which is not necessarily for transsexualism) then you are, by nature, against medicating children or people with amphetamines for the same reasons. Because by your standard, medication that regulates or changes brain chemistry is "non-resersable" and is 'experimental' with 'side affects'. No shit Sherlock that medications have side affects by the way. Which is all medications under the sun. Where is the distinction here?
You say its a misuse of the medical system and resources. Then may I enquire what isn't a misuse? I fail to see how if a doctor prescribes a medication under good pre-tense, and provides support for an individual, how that is a misuse. That is exactly what it is there for.
I work in this field, don't lecture me on what you believe is false. The fact that you use language like "non-woke" tells me that you subject yourself to your own biases and ideology only and fail to see how medical standards like DSM, and other world governing bodies for medical diagnosis and treatment disagree with you. This idea that people just outright ignore doctors and professionals in their field to push their idealogical valves against people getting treatments and the help they require to live happy normal lives, is ridiculous and frankly disgusting. Stay in your own lane, and leave the people who are on medication alone to discuss and deal with their doctors. A stranger on the internet with no qualifications shouldn't be trying to push medical advice (which I am not doing unlike what you think, I am not saying someone *should* do this, I am saying it is a valid method of treatment and people should trust their doctors). Using your words here, "don't promote misinformation, unless you want to be responsible."
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of all of this, and the fact that you didn't address my points properly shows this.
"Nothing is wrong for me, I'm happy, so how could there be anything wrong for anyone else" is your initial argument boiled down. It is like saying "You're depressed? Well I'm not, so just don't be sad." Frankly ridiculous. Your point on why people get medication and don't just wear different clothes and put on make up completely misses the point. Again it is like saying "Depression? Why get antidepressants? Just eat better." You are referring to someone who has a medical disorder, where there is significant irregularities in chemistry. Wearing different clothes does not address the imbalance or irregularities in the brain.
You lack the understanding of how this truly affects someone to no fault of your own.
Firearms are a right and the studies showing them a leading cause are skewed and inaccurate as someone who uses logic I'd expect that to be known and no minor should make any choice that important just like they can't vote, drink, gamble, and so many other thing why would you ever let them permanently alter themselves even if they want it its to soon and in a stage of physiological development and lack of maturity
Were are Guns mentioned at all in the video, name one with an appropriate timestamp. I'll wait
(You're also wrong)
@Dipup7777 firearms were referenced where he brought up a graph and referred to it as why aren't we restricting them where the likely hood of a child getting shot is so high not paying well enough attention there I see and going off emotion
@@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 also time stamp 3:10
why do the people with common sense not simply take away the right to guns?
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Tell me the difference between "Gender affirming care for minors" and "Permanent sterilization and physical changes to minors". There is none. I can't ask you how do you defend this, because you'll ignore the question like all others
It’s not "sterilization of minors"!
And even if it was, if it strongly reduce the risk of suicide, sterilization would be an okay trade off
Well, one important difference is gender affirming care is not permanent sterilization and physical changes. To any age.
@@gorillaguerillaDK
PLEASE tell me people are not being permanently sterilized!!
I would love to see your source, because I have seen how the surgeries happen, and these children will NEVER be able to have children
GAC is banned in scandinavia bcs it DOESN'T prevent suicide, so you're lying
@@Diviance
Oh my god, I can't believe you're talking about this issue without knowing how any of these surgeries are preformed
@@gorillaguerillaDK
Try again, Scandinavia is banning because they proved the suicide rates stay the same.
But you don't care
Oh, and btw, this isn't jsut happening to 10 year old too. In extreme cases it's like 7 year olds. In even more extreme cases it can go below that. My source is that I heard about and saw these children with my own eyes on Timcast IRL's livestreams
Yeah, those are really really rare and really extreme cases... usually when there's literally no other option left to prevent suicide
BS
And in extreme cases, we give children chemotherapy... because it treats what the problem is.
Just like GAC.
@@Diviance yes bcs chemotherapy is completely voluntary.
Child mutilation doesn't save them, there's a reason it's getting slowly outlawed and have been outlawed here in scandinavia and europe.
Dude, what is wrong with you? Can't you understand people's lifes are permanently altered?
@@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777
You should see the numbers.
GAC is banned in scandinavia because it didn't work!
But you don't care about that. You think overpowering is more important than truth
"Restricting Gender-Affirming Care"
100% INCORRECT what you meant to say was "preventing the mutilation of minors"
I call bullshit
Nope. He meant what he said, providing life saving opportunities for people when they need it most. I'd rather trust every single major medical organization over my own personal beliefs.
No, it is restricting gender-affirming care. Because if it was preventing the mutilation of minors, they would be laws against circumcision.
@@yelljal2764 "providing life saving opportunities for people when they need it"
no one is saying that mentally unstable people shouldn't be given every opportunity to get better, its called "therapy" the SOP for treating mental disorders, as gender dysphoria is classified as in the DSM. only ADULTS have the ability to consent to LIFE ALTERING MUTILATIONS disguised as surgery.
@@Diviance nope, that would be therapy, children have no idea about the ramifications of their choices hence why they cannon consent to such things.
You’re lost
Bias
And its perfect like that.
Good on the state
3:13 There is one flaw with your arguments. You do not transition from male to female, or from female to man. You transition from one gender to none. Or best a facsimile of the other.* Which is also the reason why you can't transition back.
Of course, teens should have access to everything that can be undone later, and better have two or three professionals look over it than one. But if you cut it off, then it's off. And it will never regain 100% functionality. As far as I know, the part of the brain that deals with consequences and risks is only fully developed at age 21. … And only then you should be allowed to get permanent modifications to your body. (And I include piercings and tattoos in that list)
More studies have to be done about that. Maybe we also can get to the bottom why some people think that some body parts aren't theirs and want them chopped off (e.g., arm/legs). I hope in future a cure or a full transition will be possible. Though, that'll be a far future, no one today alive will be seeing, even if they become 120 years old.
*= To be honest here, to anyone transitioning that looks like the gender they transitioned to, come swaths of people that look like bad cross dressers. E.g., tons of people where nobody thinks that's a woman, but everybody thinks that's a (hairy) dude in a dress.