Abortion = Self Defense?
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2023
- Let's take a look at the abortion = self defense argument, and Ben Shapiro's response to it.
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Facts: Women die of pregnancies
Ben shapiro: incoherent whining that doesn't acknowledge the facts
its nice that you're able to define what a woman is at least...
Ben's feelings don't care about the facts.
Well like all pseudo-intellectual mouth pieces for the remaining fracking brother he has to do so to earn his pay check and his odious side has no actual arguments or facts on their side.
@@GameTimeWhyMy thoughts exactly! I was just about to comment the same before I read your comment.
"If your argument is so good then why do I aggressively misunderstand it?" - you
The irony of Ben accusing other people of making bad arguments
i would say "pot calling the kettle black" but its more like "pot calling the red plastic bowl black"
I just have a hard time believing that Ben Shapoopoo is actually this stupid and ignorant. More likely he just believes that his viewers are.
@@eagonwild Don't call ben black, he'll accuse you of being a pedo and then threaten to kill a group of people because he's definitely mentally stable.
Ben is the undisputed master of bad arguments. He doesn't need to worry about hypocrisy or how it affects his image, it's his entire persona.
@@brassman7599This make me question how his family teach him ? Like does lying was said to be okay ?
Hey, Ben Shapiro: my best friend wasn't obese, she was a mtn guide & Olympic caliber athlete. Her conditioning hid her fatal pregnancy condition (placenta percreta): her placenta grew through the uterine wall into her bladder & kidneys, & labor literally tore her apart.
Omg, that is horrendous😢 Im so sorry for your loss❤.
Please accept my sincerest sympathies. I hope you have found the help you need to deal with this terrible reality.
Ben: "Well then she must have been super fat and obviously a slut because traditional women don't die of child birth, my doctor wife told me so."
Great thanks for telling me.
They don't care. The cruelty is the point of what Ben and others do. It's always been the point.
Unironically a good argument from the LA Times. Never even thought about it like that, but it's another great addition to the pro-choice arsenal
It's absolutely not a new argument. It's a phrasing of a very old argument that you happened to not hear before now.
"My body, my choice" is another phrasing of the exact same argument. The fetus is in your body. It is trespassing. It is undisputably hurting you. It does not have the right to your body. You are allowed to defend yourself.
I brought up abortion as self defence while discussing stand your ground and castle doctrine laws
@@lisahenry20 that's brilliant
@@lisahenry20I can't imagine it changed their mind but it is a good argument.
@@GameTimeWhy I'm hoping it may have reframed some stuff for the fence sitters and help them see the hypocrisy of "pro lifers"
So, Ben, as a conservative Jewish man who has previously claimed to be knowledgeable about his religion, it’s history, and social customs, should know that the self defense argument for abortion is in line with traditional Jewish teachings on abortion. If the pregnancy is likely to kill the mother, abortion is more than allowed. To save one life, is better than ending 2. This is one of the nearly countless reasons Ben should not be trusted as a reliable source of information.
not to mention that in jewish tradition, the unborn is just water until a certain stage, known as the quickening, when the fetus is moving around.
Ben Shapiro believes this he openly says that if a pregnancy will kill the mother, abortion is more than allowed.
Multiple religions, even denominations of Christianity, have this same rule.
Apparently, no one is actually alive until they've received their soul with their first breath after birth, according to the bible. The spirit of life must enter the newborn with their first breath. After all, if they don't breathe, what are they?
@@thehellyousay There's no such thing as "receiving your soul" or a "spirit of life with their first breath" or any of the nonsense you said... none of that is in the bible. Try to give me a source for literally anything you said.
Shapiro is not trying to reason. He is clearly only looking to disagree and mental gymnastic his way through this new argument. He cannot just say “hey thats interesting i have not thought on it this way” so he can just sit on it and honestly ponder. He is highly reactive and defensive. As he has dogmas he feels he must
This is the standard tactic on the right. They start with their conclusion, and twist facts, logic, and reason into an argument that can sort of support whatever that conclusion is (if you squint your eyes tightly, and don't think about it too much). If you look at it closely, you realize that it does no such thing -- and very likely supports something you know they would disagree with. Take this argument -- If a pregnant person does not have the right to terminate that pregnancy for self defense reasons, does anybody have the right to self defense? Do police have the right to kill someone in self defense? If so, why? It's a proven fact that police work is less dangerous than pregnancy, so therefore, under his argument -- police should have less rights to self defense than pregnant people.
The strangest thing is that Judaism does have a clause that allows (and even mandates) abortion if the woman's life is in jeopardy, since the fetus is categorized as a "Rodef" (a specific Jewish law about committing self-defense on behalf of someone else)
@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 yeah there is an abortion ordered by god in the bible.numbers 5-11-31. Also god orders babies to be killed dashed against the ground
Ben never misses the point, he dodges it
Well at least we know he is not a stormtrooper.... Wait is he the chosen undead then ?😱
You say that Ben has to either be that dumb or misspoke to confuse stillborn deaths with maternal mortality. I propose a third option. A deliberately lying dishonest prat that doesn't want to directly address the issue being discussed so he brought up an unrelated subject as a means of obfuscation.
That checks out.
Your first mistake was taking anything Ben Shapiro says seriously
The sad reality is realizing that there is enough people out there who do take him seriously. And many others like him.
@@aaronabbey2604 It's not just that they take him seriously, it's that they believe the same lies as him.
7:50 ben really said "unborn fetus"
a fetus means its unborn
Ben isn't as intelligent as he pretends to be.
So an aborted fetus' body means it's not a fetus anymore? It's suddenly a baby just because it was removed from the womb?
The heart of any self defense argument (even the use of non-lethal force), is that a person has a right to protect and preserve their life and liberty.
And "liberty" is a rather shaky term in that context. Which is the problem of most "X is like Y" arguments - things are put into a fundamentally different context.
Which is why the counter-arguments like Shapiro's always seem so transparently hypocritical, at that.
10:35 Mr. Benjamin Shapiro sidetracks to his stance on police executing people for getting caught while being black.
Don't you know that possession of melanin is a grave offense?
There are many reasons a woman would seek to terminate a pregnancy, and the number one reason they might feel, in consultation with their healthcare professional, is "NONE OF ANYONE ELSE'S BUSINESS!"
Actually, it is the business of others. If we know why abortions happen, and can control the environmental factors that put women in these situations in the first place, then we can reduce the number of abortions. We don't need specific peoples' names, just general statistics on the reasons for why women get abortions. If we can address the root cause of the problem, we can solve the problem a lot more effectively than laws against abortion ever will.
@@carultch Keep statistics anonymously all you want, just do NOT preemptively presume you have ANY privilege to interfere in the woman's privacy!!!
@@carultch defining abortion as a "problem" is ... problematic. Why is it a problem?
@@bevwinn1369 Put it this way. Would you ever voluntarily get pregnant, planning in advance that you would have an abortion?
If you wouldn't, then I would say being in a situation where you would want an abortion, is a problem, and it is best if we can minimize the number of women who have to be in that situation. I would think that if pregnancy were 100% voluntary, had no catastrophic consequences, and could not happen by accident, that abortion would never exist in the first place.
@@carultch would you agree that abortion is no more a problem than any other medical procedure, such as an appendectomy?
When he argues that police should just shoot every person they pull over, he really lost his argument. One could use the "abstinence only" response of just don't pull people over. But more to the point, he knows we aren't advocating to abort every pregnancy. We're advocating for the ability to choose. So in this analogy Ben is saying no one should be allowed to have an abortion just like no cop should be allowed to shoot anyone during a traffic stop ever for any reason.
He probably doesn't care about being pro choice, just as long as he can convince people that they are actually pro abortion (aka wanting people to get abortions, rather than wanting people to gave a choice)
This is exactly the thing they don't understand, pro-choice IS the middle ground, yet they treat it as though it's an extremist thing when they're the ones arguing the extremist opinion.
Ben loves his false equivalency arguments.
Should cops ever be able to shoot anyone for any reason? It's my understanding that all police shootings are bad, regardless if the shooting was justified.
I don't think he misspeaks, i think he wants women to die.
I think you need better arguments
@@ruaraidh74given that abortion is necessary healthcare for some pregnancy complications and women are being denied that care until they are on death's door, and given that they often will have to try to seek help multiple times hoping that mb now they are sick enough that the doctor will help them (that's more medical bills, so imagine the position it puts poor women in), these extreme abortion bans in states like Texas are literally risking women's lives. These far right ppl know that and they don't care. They're okay if women die bc of this (if they weren't they wouldn't have come up with such an extreme policy). Even in Texas when those five women sued over this and the judge ruled the law was too extreme, the state of Texas doesn't agree and is appealing. The judge didn't rule that they shouldn't ban abortion just that when abortion is a necessary medical procedure for the health or life of the pregnant person, it should be carried out. TX disagrees. These people actually are fine if women die or suffer permanent organ damage from being allowed to go into sepsis. Eventually that is going to happen (if it hasn't already to low income women especially and wasn't investigated - as looking into why abortion laws caused a pregnant person's death isn't part of an investigation - and was swept under the rug). So given this inevitability of these extreme abortion bans, it means they want women to die.
Anyway if maternal mortality rates are going up as a result of abortion bans, it is killing women/pregnant ppl, and denialism from far right ppl like Shapiro is part of the will to let it continue (they want this iow) as the far right continues to push for a federal extreme ban. Then it would not be safe to be pregnant in any state.
Pre-existing conditions, because your life is not important if you have asthma.
iirc, and do stop me if I'm talking out my ass, but I remember hearing one of the biggest maternal mortality contributors is just... being poor. Which, you know, comes with a lot of other health complications, like not being able to get diagnosed and treated for the things that are exacerbating maternal mortality ahead of getting pregnant (and during it). So maybe we should be looking at that, benjamin?
Either Ben like people being poor or Ben doesn't understand the concept of money (like when he said that feeding a child wasn't expensive when he said he was against school lunch program).
How is this a checkmate? "Hey Ban Sharpedo, POOR PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE POOR!!!!1." Owned.
Did Benny Shapidiot just say he supports the repeal of self defense laws and the disarming of police? By taking his argument to its logical conclusion, he does. If a pregnant person does not have the right to terminate a pregnancy due to the risk of dying, no person should have have that ability -- particularly if that risk is proven to be lower.
We heard it hear first:
"[Defund the police]."
- Ben Shapiro, 2023
Especially when so many arguments on banning abortion are "You took the risk of having sex, when you knew the consequences could be pregnancy. It's your fault for putting yourself in that danger."
Sounds a lot like Cops shouldn't have guns. They chose that risk, after all. More than anyone seeking an abortion chose the risk.
"maternal mortality is higher in women with certain conditions"
I really really really thought Ben Shapiro was going to say being black, but then he gets to it later.
Which is why certain of these groups might need to you know Ben access healthcare to reduce their maternal mortality rates. Eg if you have conorbidities and being pregnant increases those risks having the opportunity to become unpregnant might be a good thing you'd think however I don't think Ben sees that point, cause then he doesn't get to just play the blame people for their circumstances game that he is playing here.
Also due to the fact that poc are four times more likely to develop blood pressure related issues in pregnancy and childbirth
Since they are more prone to things and they will receive less consideration causing something of a pincer affect leading to 6x higher mortality rate
I don't get what the argument with other conditions is about. Like, yes, other factors play a role, so what? Does he mean women with preexisting conditions should just die? What?
Another thing that is being ignored, even a best-case pregnancy is a train wreck. If another person was inflicting the sort of bodily damage that is caused by a pregnancy, then using deadly force to stop/prevent that would be justified. That would be true even if the person inflicting the damage didn't understand, because of mental defect or whatever, what he or she was doing. You know, kind of like a fetus.
Not if you kidnapped the person and forced them to inflict that damage on you against their will. Or where do you think babies come from? You think they put themselves in your womb???
@@ruaraidh74 Getting knocked up is not analogous to kidnapping. At worst, it's an unintended outcome that results from irresponsibility. A better analogy would be leaving your front door unlocked. If you leave your front door unlocked, and someone comes in to inflict bodily damage on you, then you still get to defend yourself.
@@ruaraidh74 wow there's a lot of false equivalency going on here more even than young Ben Fast Talker to cover up the fact I am a total drek head Shapiro.
@@pestilentwinds That's actually a much worse analogy. Getting robbed is not causally linked to leaving your door unlocked in the way that getting pregnant is causally linked to putting sperm in your vagina during ovulation. The latter is a biologically necessitated outcome, with no interfering agent. The former is someone with requisite intent violating your rights and aggressing you, only remotely enabled by your actions.
Unlocking your door isn't what robbed you. The criminal robbed you.
You putting sperm in your vagina during ovulation, IS what made you pregnant. The child didn't make you pregnant. The child IS the pregnant.
One is a agent with independent cause and intent, the other is a natural outcome.
@@JosephKano A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning.
Please explain what you understand my reasoning to be for comparing two things, and how that reasoning is faulty.
You know, like, make an intelligent argument instead of stating the name of a fallacy without elaboration?
The guy is talking 'gabbledegook' - going so fast that his words tumble over each other, becoming in places hard to understand, remember or argue against... all you are left with is a feeling that he's certain that he's right... staccato delivery and manufactured passion have been prominent amongst the tools of conmen and demagogues for centuries...
You wrote exactly what I was thinking in a better way that I could. Thank you!
Benny boi was once considered a child prodigy. Too bad for him that he left the prodigy behind.
kept being a child though... he seems to love to throw tantrums
@nicholastime1513 It was because he graduated top of his class at a prestigious university, with a law degree, several standard deviations below the mean age, and then proceeded to become the youngest syndicated columnist ever... if my memory serves me correctly.
@@Spagettigeist Yes that was the joke
@@ruaraidh74Remember when Ben said, "If people's homes get flooded by climate change, they should just sell their homes and move". Either Ben is a genius but he is evil or the American education system is trash. Is this guy really considered the best that America can offer?
@@banko-xv4rt Nice senile rant nobody cares
btw, i just looked up average cost of childbirth in modern europe VS USA
for us it's free, even with complications like neading a cesarean... in the US though, that oh so caring country... your looking at over $26,000 for a cesarian, then add the $1000 to touch your baby just after you gave birth and then the hoard of extras they charge you for... you can see this isn't medicine, it's a rip-off
But did you know Ben's wife is a doctor? He must have spoken to his doctor wife, who is a doctor. His wife, who is a doctor, must have given him doctorly advice in her wifely duties...as a doctor.
His no WAP wife reassure him that Ben is a smart boy.
Professor Stick, sadly ben doesn't know or care that materity means the mother. Derp! 👍💖💙🥰✌
if I had to give birth to that jackass's kids, we might have to start looking at paternal mortality... 🤭
Yeah i noticed that too. He has no idea what he's talking about.
Honestly never thought I'd see stick make a response to good ol benjamin sharpedo
I used to work for the American Red Cross. Part of my work involved sending messages to deployed military members about emergencies requiring their presence back home. One of the most frequent emergencies I verified with medical authorities was preeclampsia -- a dangerous condition involving extremely high blood pressure in a pregnant person. It often develops quickly and is a life-threatening condition: pregnancies involving preeclampsia can easily end in the pregnant person's death -- along with the fetus' death as well. Ben Shapiro thinks he knows what's better for a pregnant person and the fetus they're carrying than the doctor treating the pregnant person?
I wish Ben Shapiro could become a female hyena with preeclampsia. And then survive the preeclampsia to give birth.
PS. Professor Stick, I'd love to see you and Chubbyemu get together on this and send Ben Shapiro down the toilet where he belongs.
Yeah, that´s what my mum had too, when she was pregnant with me. It was at 7tm month of pregnancy, but there were other complications on my side, so they had to do Caesarian with me having about 2% chance to survive. If they didn´t do that (because it would probably count as abortion, since I was most probably going to die), then neither my mum or me would be here today.
@@veronikamajerova4564, I'm glad to hear that things worked out for you and your mum!
And I still hope Ben Shapiro comes back as a female hyena in his next lifetime.
If we could transfer this risk to men I feel that this conversation/argument wouldn't exist.
Yup, then we would see Ben's sister in this video, totally different!
If you could transfer the risk to me I would just not get pregnant, like literally everyone can do.
@@ruaraidh74 yeh... Nuh. Contraceptives are not 100% effective. Failures happen. Assuming you can afford and or access them.
Don't give me any abstinence boll. Don't be a silly Billy Lil fellah.
@@ruaraidh74What an interesting way to say you've never had a girlfriend before
@@JosephKano "contraceptives are not 100% effective, therefore it's impossible to not get pregnant" ok buddy
Wiki US pregnancy mortality 2000-2017-2020 12-19-21
Germany pregnancy mortality 2000-2017-2020 7-7-4.4
According to WHO, the global mortality went down about 1/3 in the last 20 years.
No surprise, afaik the US life expectancy is dropping since years, esp. for males, and is years below Europe.
And just for fun, the US has a 6 times higher gun possession rate compared to Germany, and a gun death rate (not counting suicides) that is 37 times higher than in Germany
THIRTY-SEVEN
In absolute numbers 1 gun death every 3 days to 50 per DAY.
Even when I add german non-gun murders, the rate is more than 20 to 1.
But more guns make everybody safer...
I do not count suicides, because the suicide rate of US and Germany are comparable. Germs just use different methods.
And another "visualization": In the US 20,000 people/year die through guns (again, no suicides). That means in 3 years of PEACE as many people die as US soldiears died in 15 years of Vietnam War.
Peace is 5 times as lethal as war...
Would you add the suicides, 1 year of peace would almost make up the whole Vietnam war...
First time in months that UA-cam has given me a notification that you posted a video. One would have thought having the bell on would mean something...
What’s absolutely appalling to me is that Ben doesn’t understand that 1 in 3K is actually quite frequent. The average human will meet 26 people who will die because of pregnancy and Ben still finds it ignorable?
The maternal mortality rate is 1:10k not 1:3k
I feel the abortion is self defense argument should be more about the woman's bodily autonomy. Consent was given (in planned pregnancy) to the use of her body. That consent was later denied.
Once the consent is taken away, the person has a right to use escalating force to enforce their bodily autonomy. Eventually this may escalate to using deadly force.
Can we see the statistics for pregnant police officers?
Guaranteed one pregnant fatality this month already
Gone
Ben missing the point is is his brand at this point. He can't "get it", as he has based his audience on *not* "getting it".
Ben Shapiro, one of the supposed young intellectuals of the new conservative generation everybody.
I know of a woman who had previous kids with no complications. Gave girth to a child she was a surragate for, and everything went smoothly. Baby was out n fine. Doctors n nurses n patients were joking around. And then she collapsed n started hemorrhaging and never woke up. Literally zero way to predict or prevent what happened. She got enough blood to more than replace every drop of blood in her body but it didnt help.
I've made this exact argument before, but not from the self-defense perspective more or less self preservation. Regardless of how much better the mortality rate is with pregnancies, nobody should be forced into a potentially life threatening situation against their will. Would you be ok with somebody telling you that you MUST give your body/blood/organs to another person against your will and oh by the way you might die from it? I hope the answer is no because if you say yes, the implications are cataclysmic. Nobody has a right to use my body to sustain a life and nobody has a right to use yours. Consent. Is. Everyting. Has somebody told Ben that facts don't care about his feelings yet?
If I'm not mistaken, self defense in the US can be used in cases you were mistaken, even if the person wasn't a criminal.
Excellent response to Ben's drivel. Thanks for all you do, and enjoy your vacation!
Who gave Squeaky Shapiro any authority on any subject?
3:30 (Can't believe I'm going to say this but…) To steelman Ben's claim, WHO doesn't actually count those statistics, it relies on countries to report them. If a country doesn't count a baby that dies right after birth as "live birth", then if the mother dies too, they wouldn't report that as "maternal death resulting from live birth". That *could* change the stats a bit. The problem for Ben is that it would be a very *small* change, and would probably work *against* his argument instead of for it. Most such "uncounted infant mortality" is not associated with maternal mortality.
BTW almost every abortion adds to another mortality rate.
If my memory hasn't failed me, I believe that many, (or even most?) police officer, on the job deaths, are as a result of traffic accidents.
Dear Mr Shapiro, states that enacted strict abortion laws have already seen increases in maternal mortality. Already. The reason for that is because the people who shouldn't be having pregnancies, who don't want the pregnancies, for whom the pregnancies are dangerous can't access the healthcare they need.
Aren't Pizza Delivery people in more danger than Police?
How high is Shapiro lol -- thanks for putting together the highlights! Glad to see more awareness around defense/self-defense and threat of "grave bodily injury" particularly as it applies to pregnancy -- I realize @professorstick and I have differing views on particularly the issue lethal outcomes for defense, but thanks for a very good analysis and great coverage of a *[redacted]* melting down over an LA Times article that _was literally illustrated with fucking cartoons_ X-)
Ben: Abortion bad!
Also Ben: There's lot of health conditions and issues that can cause maternal mortality.
Congratulations ben, you understand the pro-choice position without even realizing it, in fact you made their point for them.
Yeh ironically. However he is in the "but but those people should be punished for their poor choices" camp. Sure they might live in food deserts, not have access to healthcare, not have had access or exposure to life's kills training, generational trauma and poverty impacts etc etc that have all contributed to the circumstances but hey, he's rich and has a rich doctor wife and live in an area with access to healthy foods and clean air and water and lifestyle and were well educated so surely everybody has those same advantages in life.
What do you mean
Stand your ground was the portable castle doctrine right?
Right you are. Well said
Has he phoned the "Atheist Experience" at some time? I seem to remember someone with a petulant sounding voice on one of the shows.
In 2021, there were around 3.66 million live births in the United States.
So that's over 1,200 maternal deaths
11:51
"risks can become apparent before..."... "the mother?"
Someone is not a criminal until they have been convicted by a jury. 😂
As as conservative I have to agree that Ben's arguments in this video seem very reactive and not well though out or seemingly researched. However I would still argue that this a poor comparison due to the fact that in a normal self-defense situation, the criminal is making a decision to threaten your life, where as the baby is not consciously making the decision to harm the mother, and in most case a woman is pregnant because she chose to have and is then punishing the baby for her decisions. There are of course exceptions to this but I think in general there are better arguments that can be made
Thanks for the video :)
Thanks for saving my sanity Prof. Stick. That guy and many like him propagate ignorance, anger and hate.
Dunno what it is about conservatives that make them think invoking "pre-existing conditions" is somehow a good defence for anything, but they keep using it in various contexts as if "Oh no, but in a _pure_ situation that's about this that wouldn't happen!" like the real world is somehow irrelevant and only the abstract perfect case matters.
But then again, Ben operates under the same logic as an apologist - gin up whatever sliver of objection you can, and that's enough for the people who are already convinced that they're correct. That's why "they don't count some babies dying as a mother dying in Europe" is even worth his time saying. That's also why he never goes looking to find out how many people are shot by police (the act in this metaphor equivalent to abortion - for which there _are_ no reliable statistics because the federal government in the US doesn't actually care to find out, and for which there are almost no legal consequences for police in almost all situations), and just tries to invoke thought-stopping techniques after hearing the police mortality rate.
Finally something calming. Yes, someone saying something nonsensical about abortion is indeed nerve calming, at least compared to watching someone peppersraying another person to defend his Iphone.
Hmmm . . . I wonder what comparing other death rates would show. DUI traffic deaths for example?
Animal agriculture and building are more dangerous professions than policing.
Have you considered going to a Debunkers Anonymous meeting?
Cant get over the eyebrows 😂
As someone who thinks of himself an idiotic intellectual, I thought of Ben Shapiro to be less intellectually gifted than I am. Which is sad, because I am a total idiot. Luckily I lack the confidence that he does. Thank goodness.
fetuses don't wANt to kill the women nyehnyehnyeh and it's the consequances of their ooooowwwwwn bad choices nyehnyehnyehnyehnyeh
am i hearing a faint whisper of "what was she wearing"?
just to clarify im not trying to imply that actual fetuses are comparable to r. . ists or mrrrrrrers,
just that ben tries to shift the b...
nope scratch that...
he tries to conjure blame on people who find themselves in the need to have an abortion.
*one for the algorithm*
hey stick you may or may not remember me but i used to go by xfat and we were actually pretty good friends id love to catch up with you and possibly Collaborate anyways great video as always
stay curious
Women in other first world countries have secondary conditions also. Mortality is still higher for US women.
According to my information the fatality rate drops a lot after the first birth. So the evolutionary background was just having more children.
Ben is just a baby version of Charlie Kirk!
Yet more Ben speaking without thinking it through first
you can't blame him really, try talking that fast without a script and your brain just can't keep up 😆
@@phileas007 Your claim that he has a brain is...ambitious 😉
I'd like to point out that the risks of pregnancy include lifelong health conditions as well as death.
its so funny, i live in sweden, i dont ever think i heard of statistics here saying "black people....", everyone get same healthcare, and the statistics doesnt need to go any deeper then gender, age and any condition they suffer.
Could sycle cell trait contribute to mortality rates in births? I know that only really occurs in black people. Not sure if that would make a difference.
A 1 in 3,040 is still extremely unlikely.
Does he not understand how many people 1 out of 3040 is in a country of over 340,000,000?
We need more shapiro reactions videos.
Matt welsh and petterson too.
If your going to refute their arguments. Shot for the big dogs
BS is full of BS
I've got a better argument: Abortion = Eviction.
There's a difference. There currently isn't a working process for evicting an unwanted fetus that guarantees the process will keep it alive.
4:34 Okay, can we really count the US as a developed country after looking at this graph? With more then double the rate then the next runners up they seem to be a bit out of place here.
No one, NO ONE has right to use another person's body without their consent.
And agreeing to sex is not the same as agreeing to pregnancy.
Why should corpses have more rights than pregnant people?
I feel like a difference here is that an abortion is definitely intentionally destroying the fetus. If you shoot a home intruder you generally dont intend to kill them, but to neutralize them, even if it does kill them as a byproduct. And I'd argue that shooting an intruder with intent to kill them, or say, executing them once they are neutralised, is murder.
In this worldview tge argument isnt as valid but if a person thinks otherwise it totally works.
Is it just me, or are Ben's eyes closer than a wrestler's plumbs? Best Wishes, DOC
You said, "1 out of 3000 is still too many"
What number is acceptable? 1 out of 5000? 1 out of 10000? 1 out of 20000? Everything has risk associated with it, unless you go full Nirvana fallacy.
I would like to point out that every other country on the list has universal healthcare. Missed opportunity to point that out.
zero is the acceptable number, and to achieve you need to allow abortion in case of complications, among others
I usually enjoy Professor Stick videos. But his arguments come over as a little desperate here. For instance, black womens complications are due to "lack of access to healthcare". In the UK and europe, everyone has equal access to healthcare. If the figures in the US are comperable then access to healthcare is probably not the problem. Which indicates there is some other underlying issue. As an orthodox Jew Ben's belief would be that if there is a choice between the mothers life and the unborn child, the mothers life takes priority, always. Trying to defend the self defence argument is tantermount to saying that whenever a police officer sees someone who he perceives as a potential criminal he should sneak up on them and shoot them without warning because there is a less than one percent chance tgat they may have a gun and kill him. Nonsense, I expect better than this.
What the actual.....?
It seems personal with the insults at Ben...
You know if Ben (who sounds like an AI generated voice) wanted to make a valid argument, he could point out that one of, if not the biggest, reasons maternal mortality is higher in the US than any developed country is because so many woman lack access to affordable health care or decent maternity leave
Why would he mention that lol. It's not like that's his problem. The US is not ethnically homogenous. We have the largest influx of immigrants and aliens on planet earth, and some of the largest income variance as a result. What difference does it make to Ben
There have been recorded cases of woman whos baby died by natural causes while in the womb, they have been denied abortion and had to wait for a natural birth while necrosis settled in.
Rotting from the inside.
Self defence is a good argument for that
What? There is racism in Europe too?
What happened to that guy? Ben Shapiro was a real prodigy when he was younger, but he dropped off the cliff intellectually since he turned 20 or so. Could it be because conservatism is pretty constraining intellectually?
I will never understand why people think Shapiro is at all relevant. He spent a whole month talking about the Barbie movie. Useless
I don't know if European black women have it worse as well but black people are less likely to have all they need, so they are more likely to die. Yeah. But. We have black people here, we have about 20% as many people die from pregnancy, this is one reason why. How is Ben's assessment of the stats so much less informed than mine when I just googled something cuddling my sick pigeon? I'm nobody, he's important, how is he this bad?
He has an agenda to push.
@@digitalboy80 Yeah, me too, I'd google the data before I record myself, though.
What's dumb about self defense laws?
It's actually very rational and understandable why pregnancy is so dangerous for mammals. Animals that lay eggs, like reptiles and birds, allow the fetus to develop outside of the mother's body for a majority of that time. Likewise, marsupials give birth very early in the development cycle, but the baby is able to climb into the mother's pouch. Mammals are unique in having to give birth early enough that they baby can safely pass through the birth canal, but late enough that the baby can survive. It's that whole "viability" thing.
This is even worse for humans, because our larger brains mean a larger skull. This means that human babies have to be born when they're even earlier in the development than other mammals. Birth is literally delayed until it can't be delayed any further. Of course it's dangerous.
if we had the babies, i.e. were the ones getting pregnant, abortion would not even be discussed, it would be a basic right
not for me
As much as I enjoy listening to you debunk his bullshit, Ben Shapiro's voice is like nails on a chalk board
Ben being fascist.
nice video, but its really only relevant to americans. The rest of the developed world has had this sorted for thirty or more years.