I see a future where the first manufacturer out there to listen to consumers wins big. And I mean huge. We want a smaller, simple, 4 cylinder, 4wd, solid axle, non-electric, no massive screens, non high tech, reliable, and fairly capable off roader that isn't crap on road. Keep the price down because it doesn't have every new tech gadget known to man in it, and watch the things fly off dealer lots. So who's it gonna be? Who wants the money? Who's brave enough to make a simple truck in a high tech world? We WILL buy it. Someone just has to step up and build it. Waiting!!!!
yeah. we talk about this all the time in the overlanding groups i belong to (and yes we actually overland). when you're talking "software" as the limiting factor in off road capability (as these kids were regarding the hummer) you're having the wrong conversation. Jeep/Stellantis is in the process of learning that very hard lesson right now and I say that as a 30 year Wrangler owner (currently a '14 JK heavily modified).
I am thinking something in line with the German Army version of the G Wagon. No tablet in the middle, solid front and rear axles with mechanical lockers, a 3.0 diesel engine, pleather seats. Start that out at about 30k, there will be a massive number of these on the trails in no time.
@@carlstrohm3785 I sold trucks at Ford for years. That sounds good, but that is not what people were asking for. Fords best selling truck is the middle of the line XLT, with a few options. There is a niche market for a low cost truck that the maverick filled. Low cost, low frills rucks sit on the lot and get discounted to sell.
I think we need to stop giving these companies passes for creating these über expensive vehicles. We seriously have to start giving some sort of pushback otherwise they’re just gonna keep doing it. You guys are in a position to give these companies immediate feedback and PRICE need to be more prevalent in the feedback loop
Infliencers like these have a role to play. If they'd start calling it out more strongly manufacturers would start changing their tune. All they do is hype up these vehicles.
@@shikcheese3234Please spare me. Hype does not sell cars past the first year. Who cares if they hype it up? People will either buy them or they will not. The market will dictate its success or failure. In the mean time, it is being built in the U.S. by American workers. I for one hope they are successful.
Do you have Dacia brand in the US? They are big in Europe for lower cost but excellent vehicles. We've just got the new gen Dacia Spring in the UK, their small car with a 140 mile range for £14,999. With that range its perfect for a 2nd car meeting 80% of peoples needs
My dad had one when I was a kid. We would take the top off and go up north every weekend with it when there was nice weather. We had great memories in that thing. It was also tough as nails and very reliable.
Exactly. I was stoked when I saw Scout’s recent video hyping it up, and instantly came to TFL to hear what they had to say. I literally lost all interest when Tommy said full EV. Side note: I didn’t realize the TFLEV channel existed. 😂
I'd love to be able to buy a lightweight, affordable 2 door EV pickup truck that will actually fit into my garage and budget that's made in the USA! A solar bed cover would be a nice option, too.
Solar Tonneua cover would be sick! even if it only gets you 1 mi/hr of sun, that could easily take care of alot of peopels commutes if they park outside at work all day
A bad ass simple Scout with 2 doors and basic setup. Forget all of that fancy stuff. Make it affordable and tough like a tractor like the original model. Then I would say Hmmmm.
I think the Scout could be a huge success if would be a dead simple EV: Standard components, no fancy entertainment systems / screens bullshit, manual lockers ect. and easy to service. and because of that a low price. but this is just my opinion.
There is a market for that. But it has to be done, has to be scalable, and the people need to be enticed to it. Have a look at the Suzuki Jimny. It is blocked from selling in USA. But all the yankees want them. Seems like a big hit worldwide. Doesn't help with the checkered past with the Suzuki Samurai which had it's reputation tarnished to protect the financial interest of the Jeep Wrangler.
@ekinteko it's not blocked, but Suzuki doesn't think it'll be a profitable venture to come back to the car market and sell enough Jimnys to make up the homologation costs.
dead simple and EV is an oxymoron. the 4x4 EVs are still 10-20 years away from being legit. if you're truly offroading in it you need to be able to do moderately complex field repairs with tools and parts you have with you. you just can't with these EVs. then add the challenges their weight puts on recovery when they get stuck or encounter an obstacle they can't get over and its a loser for anything but light day trip style offroading. i do about 12k miles / 40 ish days of overlanding every year all over North America. i can tell IRL stories about EVs in our group ruining or nearly ruining trips. about the rivian especially.
@oldgrunt5569 An EV can be very simple indeed. All you need is a motor, inverter, batteries and a way to turn pedal input into forward motion. An engine alone has thousands of parts, a motor has usually 3 to 6.
@@LouisSubearth lol spoken like a guy whose never actually overlanded. the average EV battery weighs something on the order of 1/2 a ton. try carrying a spare EV battery along with a month's worth of camping gear, repair tools, recovery tools, clothes etc. in contrast 12 gallons of gas (200 ish miles of range minimum) weighs about 75 lbs and can be stored behind your spare tire. don't confuse me with a luddite EV hater. I'm not. I am, however, a realist and extremely salty overlander. And for legit overlanding purposes (not the camp and drive firebreaks for a long weekend that gets called overlanding on much of this platform) EVs are just not ready no matter how "simple" you make them. There are just some immutables to them that won't be fixed in our lifetime.
Cheap and Simple please! Roll up windows, no giant screen, phone for media, crappy speakers, rubber floor vinyl seats, steel roof, cramped back seat 300km range, 4x4, locking dif (or electronic equivalent), 8 second 0-100kph, terrible cornering 25cm ground clearance, short short overhangs, narrow footprint roof rails and 2" receiver Electric Samurai!! *sigh* will never happen
IH Scout was an everyone's 4WD do it all. If this Scout is made as an EV and expensive, the people who should want this will not buy it. An affordable, powerful, capable, not options loaded, SUV would be amazing! Maybe a small diesel with tons of torque. My dad had a 78 Scout with the 345 V8. Long stroke and very good torque.
Too bad, the original Scout was a simple design that would get the job done. An electric VW version just sounds like failure all around - probably starts at $80K and goes to $120K.
More charging stations and better batteries will shrink the PHEV segment. Build the BEV with a native NACS plug and forget about PHEV. While it is likely to take more than 2 years I expect to start seeing significantly lighter batteries in cars in 5 years or less which will benefit BEVs in general but especially off road and towing. It will be playing in Rivians space. If they differentiate it by holding true to the scout heritage, especially in base trim.
This is the only EV I'd even consider buying here in the mountains of Colorado. Looking forward to the rollout and subsequent testing/reviews. I'd buy a 2nd-year model, if I do pull the trigger.
I’m looking forward to the Scout but my Rivian is a pretty capable off roader. I took it over Middle St Vrain trail without issue. My truck walked right over the gate keeper.
I’m also in the mountains of Colorado. I have a Bolt EUV that I drive to work and around town. If I’m going anywhere adventurous I drive my gas truck. I don’t think EVs are ready for Colorado winter adventures. My range is roughly cut in half with winter mountain driving.
@@kantemirovskaya1lightninga30 as long as it’s full electric, any modifications that people commonly do to a vehicle like that, especially in CO (lift, larger AT or mud tires, RTT, armor, etc.), will greatly reduce range. It’s pretty common, in the winter, to see below zero temperatures in CO mountains in the mornings as well. Those temps, along with running the heater, destroys range. Unless they find some way to defy physics, those factors are true.
I would prefer that they offer a gas version. Or diesel....WV has a history of some great small diesels. And honestly, they'd sell waaaaaaay more ICE vs EV's if they went that way.
Would only consider a non EV platform. Until we come up with better batteries, charging and resale there will not be a market for EV’s. A hybrid, even an independent hybrid where the engine only charges the battery would be a ton more successful in my opinion. Still excited to see what they came up with. Really hope it has a removable top.
If they were offered as a gas engine, base equipment vehicle, I’d be very interested. How good is an electric vehicle during a disaster like a hurricane. It’s garbage, no power, no go. Gas you can find.
The problem is the price. It’s a cool vehicle but it’s out of my price range and I expect out of a lot of people’s price range. Also, I’m not sold on EVs. Give me a basic gas or diesel off roader, the less electronics the better.
The VW/Rivian partnership is circling around both the infotainment software and the entire Rivian Gen 2 electronics architecture. Rivian greatly simplified the their vehicle architecture so they need FAR fewer ECMs than a traditional vehicle. They actually eliminated about 2 miles of cabling in the gen 2 vehicles and greatly simplified the software needed to run everything. There is a lot of savings to be had with that kind of design and why VW bought into it.
I foresee the initial buzz, then the scout relegated to the dealer lots like the bronco. A small simple 4wd powered by a 4 cylinder engine with a 5 speed would have been awesome.
VW already owns the brand. They're trying to revive it because the people who have a nostalgia for the brand are the people who have the $100k to drop on a vehicle.
Love electric. Love low end instant torque, and especially if the software is there, they’re just amazingly fun to drive, much more so than any gas cars I’ve driven (in a general sense). The reason people are somewhat cooling on EVs is the price. If you had a scout priced exactly the same gas as an EV that gets 250+ mi of range, honestly I think the sales are the same or better for the full EV version (obviously die hard petro folks will buy the gas version, and okay I guess).
Batteries continue to drop in price, in 2 years they have the opportunity to fill a niche for a simple EV. No 7 LCD dash, no massaging heated and cooled seats. Just a couple motors and 100kwh of batteries. If they do that, maybe they can get it down to ~$40k with falling batt and power electronics prices
Yet one cannot name a worthy affordable EV worth owning esp in a 4x4 and one would only be kidding themselves if they think VW will make the Scout fit that niche...
@@zelenizub2036 lol. Lithium is everywhere. It's in seawater. It's in clay. It's abundant in the salt flats. It never had much of a market until recently so no one bothered to optimize refining it
"Would you be more interested in a Scout if it was gasoline or electric?" Electric. But it has to be done right. Don't just do fully-independent suspension. Don't sacrifice seating position and visibility for range and try to fix it by adding a million cameras. It has to have NACS. It has to have 300+ miles of range. NGL, I'm really looking heavily at the new Ramcharger because it can tow 14k lbs on gasoline. But I really don't think a Scout would be a huge tow-er. It doesn't really need the on-board generator. If the new Scout has at least a solid rear axle, big tires and little wheels, 300+ miles of range, NACS charging, and a good seating position, I'd 100% buy it.
The only companies "backing away" from EVs are the ones that can't make competitive EVs. Demand for EVs continues to grow and set sales records almost every quarter. The only reason plug-in hybrids appear more popular is because of heavy marketing by companies that suck at building EVs (like Toyota).
Toyota is sloppy in building EVs. However it builds 2 decent PHEVs. One of them RAV4 Prime it's made unobtanium by the company on purpose to promote HEVs instead. We will see if the Toyota bet will help or destroy the company. In the most USA states the car market is very conservative so the company bets on ICE. I don't think that's for long. EVs will take off like smart phones.
To me, a PHEV makes sense where I live. Traveling west into the city, it gets easier to find chargers, but traveling east into the mountains, they become impossible to find. Most EVs theoretically have the range to make it to most places I go, but the problem with mountain driving is that it's very difficult to calculate actual range, and definitely beyond the ability of most car based computers. The constant changing terrain and road quality just don't play well with range estimation. You might have to drive straight up the face of the mountain on one side, using triple the power you normally would, only to gently roll down the tapering spine on the other side so regen won't get you back any of what you used going up. Or you could try to plan a route that avoids inclines, only to find its all rutted dirt and gravel so slow going and using more torque. I'm not the "take a jerry can everywhere" kind of person, but the lack of infrastructure is exemplified the further you get from population centers. Being able to top off in any small town is very important.
What will it take for the Scout to be successful? How many Scouts will need to be sold per month to be a viable business? 10,000? In 2 years will there be 240,000 customers who want another $80,000 and up SUV?
@@alleng012985series hybrid system is surprising simple. Not “complicated”. It completely removes the need for a transmission or a driveline. And electric motors can be easily rebuilt if you’d like to / need to.
The thing that grinds my gears about reviving the scout is they know these would sale like hot cakes if they offered a ICE version of it but instead they want to make it EV only and blow billions of $ for something no one wants. Even the EV van is cool and for both the van and the scout I would 100% buy one if they had an engine but unlike the 1% of people who will buy them, I want and need a vehicle that has more the 250 miles of range 💀🤡
I stopped caring and watching when I heard the new Scout is to be only produced in an electric form. The battery operated car craziness has come......and gone. How the people running multi million dollar companies don't know that is a mystery to me. It's been over for a while and isn't coming back.
Well, I didn't even finish this video and can promise you this car will be a total fail. Off road vehicles and EV just don't make sense for profitable market share. Ask Rivian how they are doing. No EV manufacturer (even Tesla) will ever be able to make an SUV 4wd type vehicle that will be a success. Unfortunately VW is 10 years too late to the market for the EV craze. What they should be offering for the USA market is a Scout with a very efficient and clean burning 4 cylinder turbo diesel that gets 35-40 mpg on the highway. They wouldn't be able to keep them on the lots.
@@GeeDeeBirdIf the goal is innovation and progressing forward then why do it with a 50 year old idea? The cyber truck is innovation and new and while I would never get one I applaud Tesla for pushing the limits of the norm. The Scout should be a turbo diesel for sure just like how the mustang Mach E should've been a supercharged 600 horse monster.
@@aronbartee5551 It's not complicated. State of the art technology plus classic practical design equals an icon for the modern age. The Cybertruck is an abomination created by a billionaire narcissist. It is laughably impractical. The original Scout was fun, but also impractical. The 4WD was never great and it got about 8 mpg. Nostalgia is great as long as we clean the rosy glasses.
@@GeeDeeBird This EV Scout will fail....It will be too expensive and will not work worth a damn as a real off roader. Nothing is more efficient than a 3 or 4 cylinder turbo diesel in real world use. EV's definitely have their place but not for remote travel off grid or for long distance highway travel. No successful ship, train, semi truck or airplane runs on electricity. Progress (often just fancy marketing) is great but the laws of physics always wins.
With battery technology increasing rapidly who knows what it can do. Price needs to be as low as possible with few amenities. The original Scout was super simple and I really don’t want power everything.
I spoke with Scout rep for the US about a year ago and he said there's a possibility if them being hybrid if the market shifted. It being all electric is a deal killer for a majority of the offroad market and limits market share considerably.
The Tourareg was actually a pretty BA offroad vehicle, and Audi obviously makes top notch 4wd, so who knows. My question is can they make it affordable and reliable
The first gen Touareg could be bought with mechanical lockers as well. It was very capable off-road and had a way more reliable air suspension than a Land Rover.
The fact that it is an EV is the reason that I am excited about it. We never had a Scout, but one of my parents' horse friends had one, and it was cool from my recollection.
Scout CEO is on record at the ground braking saying this is going to be much cheaper than their primary competitor, calling out Rivian. My guess is they’re going to start at $60k for a dual motor with AWD.
I’m an EV owner, on my 2nd 0:150:15 Bolt, and I’m in favor of a mix of EV and Plug ins. I hope they take advantage of VW’s battery tech and Rivian’s software to make a battery component small enough to support the latter. Am I wrong that the Scout will be a bit more compact than the Wrangler? The old IH Scouts were more like the current Bronco Sport in dimensions.
Cool idea. My wife remembers travelling all over Canada and the States in the family International when she was a kid. They had the bigger Travelall and would tow a trailer, camping from one end of the continent to the other. The thing was a tank and never let them down.
What a huge let down! Saw the pic's and was thinking, oh boy!! Low cost, no TV screens all over, maybe V6 w/nice power, around town get the groceries, spedo/tach/FM Radio, elec or manual 4X4 w/5 speed or auto. Hard/soft or both top, power steer/breaks and poof, Bobs your Uncle!! $35k and sign me up please! But noooo, EV? No thank you, by, see ya. 8(
This is a huge step forward. I had a 1970’s Scout II with the IH 345 V8. With 33 x 12.5” tires and 145 hp, it was barely able to crawl itself out of a mud hole. With the new EV tech, it should be at least as capable as a 1990’s jeep. Progress keeps marching forward!
I wish I could get excited about this. I miss my dear departed Scout Traveller, its no-nonsense heavy truck suspension, and its thundering V8. Unfortunately we saw what VW did with their bus revival. We saw the amazing concept followed by the bloated-minivan-whatever that thing is today. Expect the same from the Scout. It is very likely to be an ID.4 chassis with "all terrain" tires and boxy but still aero fenders. I can't imagine that VW considers it anything but a styling exercise.
I think a scout as an EV could be awesome. But as you two mentioned, if would have to be reasonably priced, and we all know it's not going to be reasonably priced.
a one question. Do we have a size/segment confirmed? because what VW can do is to return to size from '80 and then sell the vehicle in Europe. I am very happy that you think this can compete with Rivian, Hummer, F150, but all these big trucks are big because how messed up your emission regulations are. People also needs something even smaller than Ranger. And if you have a model like that, you can sell it not only as a small workhorse but also as a lifestyle truck.
You might be surprised at how electricity is needed to go rock crawling. Jimmy Underhill converted a 1996 Toyota Land Cruiser using parts from a Nissan Leaf. It's been surprising how well the vehicle works off road, even with a 100 hp electric motor and a 30 kwh battery pack. The Land Cruiser doesn't really use a lot of energy when engaging in low speed rock crawling and much of the energy expended on climbs is returned when using regenerative braking downhill. The swapped Land Cruiser occasionally needed to be towed at the end of a day of off roading, but it isn't that often. The one thing that any off road EV will struggle with is freeway driving. Large, boxy vehicles have fairly high drag and cruising at 70 mph on the freeway will have a bigger effect on range than it will for a Tesla Model 3. Jimmy's Land Cruiser is usually trailered to its off road sites, and when he drives it on urban freeways, he limits his speed to 60 mph. The biggest challenge for an off road EV is getting to the trails.
EV? Hard pass. Why?. Because in ten years it will be mechanically totaled in ten years. Battery will be bad. In France it costs $4000 to dispose of the battery.
Been saying it for awhile, EV has its place in the world. And if this Scout is going to follow in the original foot prints of the original IS, it needs to be very capable as the original going Off Road. But if it is just going to be an all season pavement queen, EV is fine. Can appease the fans for the retro look with an EV power train and done deal. Small consumer market and the company might stay afloat. Turning the original IS into and EV powertrain, would give it a 2nd life. I am pro V8, but I don't foresee that happening. The trend has been dumping V8's in favor of smaller engines with turbos. Which is an awful idea for long term life. IMO. But that is relevant to the type of vehicle and what life it is intended for. The way Stellantis is going, Scout could slide in and take some of their business easily.
A Hybrid off road vehicle may be a more practical configuration. Especially if the hybrid battery could be used for camping or off road work. Also, I would like a hill decent regen mode.
I’d love a new Scout , got the chance to photograph a Scout 2 that was restored and I fell in love with the trucks , sadly I don’t think I’ll Be able to afford one of these machines. Please keep Up the great work , I always enjoy the vids.
Hard NO as soon as you said EV. Gas or possibly Hybrid is the play. Won't happen it will be an overpriced vehicle . Customers base will be upscale toy buyers. Very sad ending for automotive icon named Scout. 😢
I hate to be so cynical but I think this scout brand is going to be a huge flop. 1 - it’s going to be nothing like the cult following scout. It’s going to be a modern ev with everything that comes with it. It’s will be a scout in name only. 2 - it will he extremely expensive. Like Tommy said, new ground up platforms cost billions, and I bet this scout started development before ford and GM pulled back on their EV ambitions due to low demand. It was probably far too late for scout and so they’ll be stuck with an ev platform when ev’s aren’t very popular and way too expensive 3 - it will be a typical ev. Laden with tech that’s completely unnecessary, annoying, easily broken and hard to fix. I see the scout thing costing VW a shit load of money
I would think that the Rivian deal will effect this product, but this won't be a Rivian with new clothes. With that in mind, I will be interested in what the final product becomes. I thought that the RAM EV truck concept was really compelling and the Carlos turned the released truck into a standard RAM.VW could pull the same switch, although not quite the same since this is a new vehicle.
Just saw the reveal. Base is $60,000. Neither model looks like the old Scouts. They kind of look like a Rivian. The roofs don’t come off, the front grill is too skinny with black plastic, the rock guard comes up too high on the front bumper, and the body is too short and skinny. It’s the size of the Bronco Sport. Nothing inside of the interior says old Scout. NOTHING RETRO ON IT! The vehicle has very clean, modern lines - very bland. It’s just a cross-over Ute that they slapped the Scout brand on to sell it. I am sitting here listening to everything the head designer is bragging about, yet it is everything that sucks about it. You may want exactly all of this. I wanted a Scout. I AM KEEPING MY BRONCO AND PASSING.
I would love to see a Hybrid version set up in the likes of the Chevy Volt or the new Ramcharger REx. I think for boxy SUV’s/trucks that’s the ultimate combination. Would be great for camping, and towing. In emergencies it can be a mobile generator for emergency power but can be filled up using gas or a home solar system, whichever is available. It would make the wife happy and would be a great overlander while being a great family car.
I see a future where the first manufacturer out there to listen to consumers wins big. And I mean huge. We want a smaller, simple, 4 cylinder, 4wd, solid axle, non-electric, no massive screens, non high tech, reliable, and fairly capable off roader that isn't crap on road. Keep the price down because it doesn't have every new tech gadget known to man in it, and watch the things fly off dealer lots. So who's it gonna be? Who wants the money? Who's brave enough to make a simple truck in a high tech world? We WILL buy it. Someone just has to step up and build it. Waiting!!!!
yeah. we talk about this all the time in the overlanding groups i belong to (and yes we actually overland). when you're talking "software" as the limiting factor in off road capability (as these kids were regarding the hummer) you're having the wrong conversation. Jeep/Stellantis is in the process of learning that very hard lesson right now and I say that as a 30 year Wrangler owner (currently a '14 JK heavily modified).
I am thinking something in line with the German Army version of the G Wagon. No tablet in the middle, solid front and rear axles with mechanical lockers, a 3.0 diesel engine, pleather seats. Start that out at about 30k, there will be a massive number of these on the trails in no time.
@@oldgrunt5569 "kids" you're so cool.
Totally agree.
@@carlstrohm3785 I sold trucks at Ford for years. That sounds good, but that is not what people were asking for. Fords best selling truck is the middle of the line XLT, with a few options. There is a niche market for a low cost truck that the maverick filled. Low cost, low frills rucks sit on the lot and get discounted to sell.
I think we need to stop giving these companies passes for creating these über expensive vehicles. We seriously have to start giving some sort of pushback otherwise they’re just gonna keep doing it. You guys are in a position to give these companies immediate feedback and PRICE need to be more prevalent in the feedback loop
A pass? Don’t buy one. I’m not. Simple.
Infliencers like these have a role to play. If they'd start calling it out more strongly manufacturers would start changing their tune. All they do is hype up these vehicles.
@@shikcheese3234Please spare me. Hype does not sell cars past the first year. Who cares if they hype it up? People will either buy them or they will not. The market will dictate its success or failure. In the mean time, it is being built in the U.S. by American workers. I for one hope they are successful.
Do you have Dacia brand in the US?
They are big in Europe for lower cost but excellent vehicles.
We've just got the new gen Dacia Spring in the UK, their small car with a 140 mile range for £14,999.
With that range its perfect for a 2nd car meeting 80% of peoples needs
@@marks-0-0 We do not have Dacia.
Well, since Volkswagen owns Scout I doubt it will be affordable, considering the price of the new ID Buzz.
And the up keep will be insanely expensive.
OMGs A Volks Wagen made Scout? 😅😂
It’s like if they brought back your favorite steak restaurant from your childhood, but only served Vegan dishes 🙁
Exactly😂
As someone who became vegan as an adult, I don't hate that analogy
My thoughts exactly what the hell don’t even do it.
This is exactly what off-roaders
want. 😆
Except with way more torque.
My dad had one when I was a kid. We would take the top off and go up north every weekend with it when there was nice weather. We had great memories in that thing. It was also tough as nails and very reliable.
Electric? What a shame.
I got to the all electric point and it was like somebody pulled the plug out of the bathtub, so disappointing
Exactly. I was stoked when I saw Scout’s recent video hyping it up, and instantly came to TFL to hear what they had to say. I literally lost all interest when Tommy said full EV. Side note: I didn’t realize the TFLEV channel existed. 😂
You're not the only one my friend. It was like a kick in the teeth when I heard the Scout will be all electric.
I love the fact they are EV a much better all around vehicle
Same here, didn't even finish the video. No point, DOA for me. I'll just jeep enjoying my Jeep XJs.
@@michealnordin Nothing says boondocks and overlanding like a precious EV.
At this point I'd be happy if someone would offer the Suzuki Sidekick for the US market.
Or.. since it's Volkswagen, a modern Thing.
I pray for a Jimny but doubt thats ever happening. Now I'm looking into wranglers.
You had me till 4:39... electric!🤦♂️
Same
Yep. Same here. To be fair, it shouldn’t surprise anyone who knows the crap that VW is putting out there.
same here
I'd love to be able to buy a lightweight, affordable 2 door EV pickup truck that will actually fit into my garage and budget that's made in the USA! A solar bed cover would be a nice option, too.
LMAO you said affordable.....
Solar Tonneua cover would be sick! even if it only gets you 1 mi/hr of sun, that could easily take care of alot of peopels commutes if they park outside at work all day
Lightweight... Affordable... EV... all of those things are mutually exclusive. Nice dream tho
It might be affordable with new battery tech.
@@NightRiderFPV That's wishful thinking
A bad ass simple Scout with 2 doors and basic setup. Forget all of that fancy stuff. Make it affordable and tough like a tractor like the original model. Then I would say Hmmmm.
To buy a 80k truck, you need to bring in 600k/yr (responsibly). This market is ridiculous.
No. No to anything over $40,000; no to anything electric.
Your loss.
If you say no to anything electric, then why are you watching an EV channel?
@@Fabulousprofound168 I'm watching a 4x4 channel
@@Fabulousprofound168 Trolls and masochists often live within the same pathetic person.
TFLEV is not a 4x4 channel; that would be TFLoffroad.
The more you watch EV videos, the more the manufacturers think you want EVs.
I think the Scout could be a huge success if would be a dead simple EV: Standard components, no fancy entertainment systems / screens bullshit, manual lockers ect. and easy to service. and because of that a low price. but this is just my opinion.
There is a market for that.
But it has to be done, has to be scalable, and the people need to be enticed to it.
Have a look at the Suzuki Jimny. It is blocked from selling in USA. But all the yankees want them. Seems like a big hit worldwide. Doesn't help with the checkered past with the Suzuki Samurai which had it's reputation tarnished to protect the financial interest of the Jeep Wrangler.
@ekinteko it's not blocked, but Suzuki doesn't think it'll be a profitable venture to come back to the car market and sell enough Jimnys to make up the homologation costs.
dead simple and EV is an oxymoron. the 4x4 EVs are still 10-20 years away from being legit. if you're truly offroading in it you need to be able to do moderately complex field repairs with tools and parts you have with you. you just can't with these EVs. then add the challenges their weight puts on recovery when they get stuck or encounter an obstacle they can't get over and its a loser for anything but light day trip style offroading. i do about 12k miles / 40 ish days of overlanding every year all over North America. i can tell IRL stories about EVs in our group ruining or nearly ruining trips. about the rivian especially.
@oldgrunt5569 An EV can be very simple indeed. All you need is a motor, inverter, batteries and a way to turn pedal input into forward motion. An engine alone has thousands of parts, a motor has usually 3 to 6.
@@LouisSubearth lol spoken like a guy whose never actually overlanded. the average EV battery weighs something on the order of 1/2 a ton. try carrying a spare EV battery along with a month's worth of camping gear, repair tools, recovery tools, clothes etc. in contrast 12 gallons of gas (200 ish miles of range minimum) weighs about 75 lbs and can be stored behind your spare tire. don't confuse me with a luddite EV hater. I'm not. I am, however, a realist and extremely salty overlander. And for legit overlanding purposes (not the camp and drive firebreaks for a long weekend that gets called overlanding on much of this platform) EVs are just not ready no matter how "simple" you make them. There are just some immutables to them that won't be fixed in our lifetime.
You can’t plug in to a tree, but you can drive a tap in to a hemlock and get a few gallons of mid-grade unleaded.
I think Casey holds the show with his articulation and knowledge of cars.
Him and Tommy make a great duo.
Cheap and Simple please!
Roll up windows, no giant screen, phone for media, crappy speakers, rubber floor vinyl seats, steel roof, cramped back seat
300km range, 4x4, locking dif (or electronic equivalent), 8 second 0-100kph, terrible cornering
25cm ground clearance, short short overhangs, narrow footprint
roof rails and 2" receiver
Electric Samurai!!
*sigh* will never happen
Most of that stuff would make the vehicle MORE expensive these days.
IH Scout was an everyone's 4WD do it all. If this Scout is made as an EV and expensive, the people who should want this will not buy it. An affordable, powerful, capable, not options loaded, SUV would be amazing! Maybe a small diesel with tons of torque. My dad had a 78 Scout with the 345 V8. Long stroke and very good torque.
Too bad, the original Scout was a simple design that would get the job done. An electric VW version just sounds like failure all around - probably starts at $80K and goes to $120K.
I wonder what it would take to swap in a small displacement turbo diesel?!
I have a 79 scout II and we are super excited to get the new Scout. However we will not buy an electric scout. So please offer a combustion engine…
More charging stations and better batteries will shrink the PHEV segment. Build the BEV with a native NACS plug and forget about PHEV. While it is likely to take more than 2 years I expect to start seeing significantly lighter batteries in cars in 5 years or less which will benefit BEVs in general but especially off road and towing.
It will be playing in Rivians space. If they differentiate it by holding true to the scout heritage, especially in base trim.
This is the only EV I'd even consider buying here in the mountains of Colorado. Looking forward to the rollout and subsequent testing/reviews. I'd buy a 2nd-year model, if I do pull the trigger.
I’m looking forward to the Scout but my Rivian is a pretty capable off roader. I took it over Middle St Vrain trail without issue. My truck walked right over the gate keeper.
I’m also in the mountains of Colorado. I have a Bolt EUV that I drive to work and around town. If I’m going anywhere adventurous I drive my gas truck. I don’t think EVs are ready for Colorado winter adventures. My range is roughly cut in half with winter mountain driving.
ummm, why? there is zero info. What makes it different than a prius or tesla? we don't even know other than it will be more expensive lol
@@kantemirovskaya1lightninga30 as long as it’s full electric, any modifications that people commonly do to a vehicle like that, especially in CO (lift, larger AT or mud tires, RTT, armor, etc.), will greatly reduce range. It’s pretty common, in the winter, to see below zero temperatures in CO mountains in the mornings as well. Those temps, along with running the heater, destroys range. Unless they find some way to defy physics, those factors are true.
@@Chops00 yeah, I have had two evs die in my driveway... customers that stayed in the car 5 minutes lol...
I would prefer that they offer a gas version. Or diesel....WV has a history of some great small diesels. And honestly, they'd sell waaaaaaay more ICE vs EV's if they went that way.
Congrats Tommy for being a dad ❤❤
You can't plug into a tree, but you also can't get gas out of a stone.
But can you carry extra electricity in a can?😅
Not another EV
Would only consider a non EV platform. Until we come up with better batteries, charging and resale there will not be a market for EV’s. A hybrid, even an independent hybrid where the engine only charges the battery would be a ton more successful in my opinion. Still excited to see what they came up with. Really hope it has a removable top.
If they were offered as a gas engine, base equipment vehicle, I’d be very interested. How good is an electric vehicle during a disaster like a hurricane. It’s garbage, no power, no go. Gas you can find.
The problem is the price. It’s a cool vehicle but it’s out of my price range and I expect out of a lot of people’s price range.
Also, I’m not sold on EVs. Give me a basic gas or diesel off roader, the less electronics the better.
Absolutely
That’s a very good point about offering Internal Combustion Engine and Hybrid versions. I’m still in the I.C.E. camp.
Since an affordable upfront price is unlikely, a reasonably economic-to-repair design would be a useful (Bronco Rivian).
The VW/Rivian partnership is circling around both the infotainment software and the entire Rivian Gen 2 electronics architecture. Rivian greatly simplified the their vehicle architecture so they need FAR fewer ECMs than a traditional vehicle. They actually eliminated about 2 miles of cabling in the gen 2 vehicles and greatly simplified the software needed to run everything. There is a lot of savings to be had with that kind of design and why VW bought into it.
Sad to see a classic American brand turned over to an international foreign conglomerate.
Better than the brand being dead.
@@jlaw1901Not really.
Like Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge?
Yup
Whatever you do, don’t go looking at airplanes.
Zaijian
I had a 78 Scout II, and I loved it. They had a 345cid International engine, a Mopar transmission, Ford axles, and a GM electrical system.
I foresee the initial buzz, then the scout relegated to the dealer lots like the bronco. A small simple 4wd powered by a 4 cylinder engine with a 5 speed would have been awesome.
I feel the same but perhaps a straight 6.
A 2.0 4 cylinder would have more power than the early V8’s they put in scouts.
@@navion1946 my 4.0 is capable of over 900hp. lol. I just need to modify mine. Lol
VW has no business buying this brand . Scout should only be brought back as an ice, not a 100k EV.
The Scout brand quietly went along with International/Navistar when VWAG bought them to go along side MAN and Scania.
VW already owns the brand. They're trying to revive it because the people who have a nostalgia for the brand are the people who have the $100k to drop on a vehicle.
I've read (and it seems common sense to me) that producing an all EV is cheaper due to the reduced complexity of any dual/hybrid system ...
Was interested until you said it would be all electric
Love electric. Love low end instant torque, and especially if the software is there, they’re just amazingly fun to drive, much more so than any gas cars I’ve driven (in a general sense).
The reason people are somewhat cooling on EVs is the price. If you had a scout priced exactly the same gas as an EV that gets 250+ mi of range, honestly I think the sales are the same or better for the full EV version (obviously die hard petro folks will buy the gas version, and okay I guess).
Batteries continue to drop in price, in 2 years they have the opportunity to fill a niche for a simple EV. No 7 LCD dash, no massaging heated and cooled seats. Just a couple motors and 100kwh of batteries. If they do that, maybe they can get it down to ~$40k with falling batt and power electronics prices
Yet one cannot name a worthy affordable EV worth owning esp in a 4x4 and one would only be kidding themselves if they think VW will make the Scout fit that niche...
@@joatmon1857 have you heard of economies of scale?
Once Asheville is converted into lithium mine.😢
@@zelenizub2036 lol. Lithium is everywhere. It's in seawater. It's in clay. It's abundant in the salt flats. It never had much of a market until recently so no one bothered to optimize refining it
"Would you be more interested in a Scout if it was gasoline or electric?"
Electric. But it has to be done right. Don't just do fully-independent suspension. Don't sacrifice seating position and visibility for range and try to fix it by adding a million cameras. It has to have NACS. It has to have 300+ miles of range.
NGL, I'm really looking heavily at the new Ramcharger because it can tow 14k lbs on gasoline. But I really don't think a Scout would be a huge tow-er. It doesn't really need the on-board generator.
If the new Scout has at least a solid rear axle, big tires and little wheels, 300+ miles of range, NACS charging, and a good seating position, I'd 100% buy it.
The only companies "backing away" from EVs are the ones that can't make competitive EVs. Demand for EVs continues to grow and set sales records almost every quarter. The only reason plug-in hybrids appear more popular is because of heavy marketing by companies that suck at building EVs (like Toyota).
I completely agree with your statement..
Toyota is sloppy in building EVs. However it builds 2 decent PHEVs. One of them RAV4 Prime it's made unobtanium by the company on purpose to promote HEVs instead.
We will see if the Toyota bet will help or destroy the company.
In the most USA states the car market is very conservative so the company bets on ICE. I don't think that's for long. EVs will take off like smart phones.
To me, a PHEV makes sense where I live. Traveling west into the city, it gets easier to find chargers, but traveling east into the mountains, they become impossible to find. Most EVs theoretically have the range to make it to most places I go, but the problem with mountain driving is that it's very difficult to calculate actual range, and definitely beyond the ability of most car based computers. The constant changing terrain and road quality just don't play well with range estimation. You might have to drive straight up the face of the mountain on one side, using triple the power you normally would, only to gently roll down the tapering spine on the other side so regen won't get you back any of what you used going up. Or you could try to plan a route that avoids inclines, only to find its all rutted dirt and gravel so slow going and using more torque.
I'm not the "take a jerry can everywhere" kind of person, but the lack of infrastructure is exemplified the further you get from population centers. Being able to top off in any small town is very important.
Hybrids are a completely different tool. Evs aren't for touring or extreme cold. Most of these will call a gravel road offroading.
To be fair, Toyota sucks are building gas engines too (pan to recall)
What will it take for the Scout to be successful? How many Scouts will need to be sold per month to be a viable business? 10,000? In 2 years will there be 240,000 customers who want another $80,000 and up SUV?
Nah
Growing up, my neighbors had 2 scouts. One was a donor, but now they are still in his parents' barn, been there since the 90s collecting dust
I'd like to see it electrified with a built in gas generator - like that Chinese truck you reviewed
Why make it so complicated? Just put a gas engine in it. No plug in hybrid. They're gambling, hoping the EV market picks up. It is what it is 🤷🏾♂️
@@alleng012985series hybrid system is surprising simple. Not “complicated”. It completely removes the need for a transmission or a driveline. And electric motors can be easily rebuilt if you’d like to / need to.
Needs a TDI engine
The thing that grinds my gears about reviving the scout is they know these would sale like hot cakes if they offered a ICE version of it but instead they want to make it EV only and blow billions of $ for something no one wants.
Even the EV van is cool and for both the van and the scout I would 100% buy one if they had an engine but unlike the 1% of people who will buy them, I want and need a vehicle that has more the 250 miles of range 💀🤡
I stopped caring and watching when I heard the new Scout is to be only produced in an electric form. The battery operated car craziness has come......and gone. How the people running multi million dollar companies don't know that is a mystery to me. It's been over for a while and isn't coming back.
Well, I didn't even finish this video and can promise you this car will be a total fail. Off road vehicles and EV just don't make sense for profitable market share. Ask Rivian how they are doing. No EV manufacturer (even Tesla) will ever be able to make an SUV 4wd type vehicle that will be a success. Unfortunately VW is 10 years too late to the market for the EV craze. What they should be offering for the USA market is a Scout with a very efficient and clean burning 4 cylinder turbo diesel that gets 35-40 mpg on the highway. They wouldn't be able to keep them on the lots.
No. That's like saying Ford should have offered a cheaper buggy instead of the Model A. Progress only goes in one direction, and it ain't backwards.
@@GeeDeeBirdIf the goal is innovation and progressing forward then why do it with a 50 year old idea? The cyber truck is innovation and new and while I would never get one I applaud Tesla for pushing the limits of the norm. The Scout should be a turbo diesel for sure just like how the mustang Mach E should've been a supercharged 600 horse monster.
@@aronbartee5551 It's not complicated. State of the art technology plus classic practical design equals an icon for the modern age. The Cybertruck is an abomination created by a billionaire narcissist. It is laughably impractical. The original Scout was fun, but also impractical. The 4WD was never great and it got about 8 mpg. Nostalgia is great as long as we clean the rosy glasses.
@@GeeDeeBirdWell said 👏
@@GeeDeeBird This EV Scout will fail....It will be too expensive and will not work worth a damn as a real off roader. Nothing is more efficient than a 3 or 4 cylinder turbo diesel in real world use. EV's definitely have their place but not for remote travel off grid or for long distance highway travel. No successful ship, train, semi truck or airplane runs on electricity. Progress (often just fancy marketing) is great but the laws of physics always wins.
Coming out in a couple of years. EV of course. That's the future. This will the the story of every significant new entry from here on out.
I had a scout and miss it, but no chance I’m buying a electric one. You didn’t miss the bullseye, you missed the whole target.
Probably will fizzle out before production unless it's offered with an internal combustion choice.
I was a parts person an international scout dealership. And had the opportunity to drive one. I really liked them they were a nice vehicle 🚗
Full EV is a total fail. An epic self-sabotage.
Not another hi priced EV. No go for me
As soon as you said Electric it wasnt worth any more interest
Hope they make a hybrid pivot to go back to competing against the wrangler. Not interested in an ev, that will make it obscenely expensive.
With battery technology increasing rapidly who knows what it can do. Price needs to be as low as possible with few amenities. The original Scout was super simple and I really don’t want power everything.
I spoke with Scout rep for the US about a year ago and he said there's a possibility if them being hybrid if the market shifted. It being all electric is a deal killer for a majority of the offroad market and limits market share considerably.
Because when I think offroad, I think Volkswagen. 😅
The Tourareg was actually a pretty BA offroad vehicle, and Audi obviously makes top notch 4wd, so who knows. My question is can they make it affordable and reliable
Touareg was actually pretty capable (owned one myself).
The first gen Touareg could be bought with mechanical lockers as well. It was very capable off-road and had a way more reliable air suspension than a Land Rover.
An EV that has real 4wd, a frame, good suspension travel, lockable diffs, and isn't enormous would be awesome
But it seems doubtful
The fact that it is an EV is the reason that I am excited about it. We never had a Scout, but one of my parents' horse friends had one, and it was cool from my recollection.
Scout CEO is on record at the ground braking saying this is going to be much cheaper than their primary competitor, calling out Rivian. My guess is they’re going to start at $60k for a dual motor with AWD.
probably a promised price of 40k with a final delivery of 80k
I’m an EV owner, on my 2nd 0:15 0:15 Bolt, and I’m in favor of a mix of EV and Plug ins. I hope they take advantage of VW’s battery tech and Rivian’s software to make a battery component small enough to support the latter. Am I wrong that the Scout will be a bit more compact than the Wrangler? The old IH Scouts were more like the current Bronco Sport in dimensions.
Cool idea. My wife remembers travelling all over Canada and the States in the family International when she was a kid. They had the bigger Travelall and would tow a trailer, camping from one end of the continent to the other. The thing was a tank and never let them down.
What a huge let down! Saw the pic's and was thinking, oh boy!! Low cost, no TV screens all over, maybe V6 w/nice power, around town get the groceries, spedo/tach/FM Radio, elec or manual 4X4 w/5 speed or auto. Hard/soft or both top, power steer/breaks and poof, Bobs your Uncle!! $35k and sign me up please! But noooo, EV? No thank you, by, see ya. 8(
Your loss.
This is a huge step forward. I had a 1970’s Scout II with the IH 345 V8. With 33 x 12.5” tires and 145 hp, it was barely able to crawl itself out of a mud hole. With the new EV tech, it should be at least as capable as a 1990’s jeep. Progress keeps marching forward!
Lmao this reads very sarcastically
EVs are torque monsters, and computer-controlled AWD is way better than old-school 4WD. Remember locking hubs? Ugh.
And it got about 8 mpg, right?
One of the best looking Scouts I've ever seen was at Fort Knox. It was owned by a SFC that was an instructor for the Scout Course.
I wish I could get excited about this. I miss my dear departed Scout Traveller, its no-nonsense heavy truck suspension, and its thundering V8. Unfortunately we saw what VW did with their bus revival. We saw the amazing concept followed by the bloated-minivan-whatever that thing is today. Expect the same from the Scout. It is very likely to be an ID.4 chassis with "all terrain" tires and boxy but still aero fenders. I can't imagine that VW considers it anything but a styling exercise.
Appreciate Tommy bringing up the obvious the expensive price.
Well if its only going to be available as an EV then I won't be buying one.
Diesel!
I think a scout as an EV could be awesome. But as you two mentioned, if would have to be reasonably priced, and we all know it's not going to be reasonably priced.
Electric? Lost my purchase!
a one question. Do we have a size/segment confirmed? because what VW can do is to return to size from '80 and then sell the vehicle in Europe. I am very happy that you think this can compete with Rivian, Hummer, F150, but all these big trucks are big because how messed up your emission regulations are. People also needs something even smaller than Ranger. And if you have a model like that, you can sell it not only as a small workhorse but also as a lifestyle truck.
You might be surprised at how electricity is needed to go rock crawling. Jimmy Underhill converted a 1996 Toyota Land Cruiser using parts from a Nissan Leaf. It's been surprising how well the vehicle works off road, even with a 100 hp electric motor and a 30 kwh battery pack. The Land Cruiser doesn't really use a lot of energy when engaging in low speed rock crawling and much of the energy expended on climbs is returned when using regenerative braking downhill. The swapped Land Cruiser occasionally needed to be towed at the end of a day of off roading, but it isn't that often.
The one thing that any off road EV will struggle with is freeway driving. Large, boxy vehicles have fairly high drag and cruising at 70 mph on the freeway will have a bigger effect on range than it will for a Tesla Model 3. Jimmy's Land Cruiser is usually trailered to its off road sites, and when he drives it on urban freeways, he limits his speed to 60 mph. The biggest challenge for an off road EV is getting to the trails.
EV? Hard pass. Why?. Because in ten years it will be mechanically totaled in ten years. Battery will be bad. In France it costs $4000 to dispose of the battery.
Been saying it for awhile, EV has its place in the world. And if this Scout is going to follow in the original foot prints of the original IS, it needs to be very capable as the original going Off Road. But if it is just going to be an all season pavement queen, EV is fine. Can appease the fans for the retro look with an EV power train and done deal. Small consumer market and the company might stay afloat. Turning the original IS into and EV powertrain, would give it a 2nd life. I am pro V8, but I don't foresee that happening. The trend has been dumping V8's in favor of smaller engines with turbos. Which is an awful idea for long term life. IMO. But that is relevant to the type of vehicle and what life it is intended for. The way Stellantis is going, Scout could slide in and take some of their business easily.
My grandfather drove Scouts off the production line.
You had me until you said all electric. 💩
A Hybrid off road vehicle may be a more practical configuration. Especially if the hybrid battery could be used for camping or off road work. Also, I would like a hill decent regen mode.
I’d love a new Scout , got the chance to photograph a Scout 2 that was restored and I fell in love with the trucks , sadly I don’t think I’ll
Be able to afford one of these machines. Please keep
Up the great work , I always enjoy the vids.
No go if over 45k.
What a shame this is only going to be a electric only vehicle.
Nuts to release it as an EV only. Gonna flop for that very reason. Look at the EV Hummer.. Iconic re-release of a car, flopped
Hard NO as soon as you said EV. Gas or possibly Hybrid is the play. Won't happen it will be an overpriced vehicle . Customers base will be upscale toy buyers. Very sad ending for automotive icon named Scout. 😢
I hate to be so cynical but I think this scout brand is going to be a huge flop.
1 - it’s going to be nothing like the cult following scout. It’s going to be a modern ev with everything that comes with it. It’s will be a scout in name only.
2 - it will he extremely expensive. Like Tommy said, new ground up platforms cost billions, and I bet this scout started development before ford and GM pulled back on their EV ambitions due to low demand. It was probably far too late for scout and so they’ll be stuck with an ev platform when ev’s aren’t very popular and way too expensive
3 - it will be a typical ev. Laden with tech that’s completely unnecessary, annoying, easily broken and hard to fix.
I see the scout thing costing VW a shit load of money
Would love for them to have a manual transfer case to really get back to the basics for off-roading, doubtful with an EV system, but one can dream…
If it does not come with a generator, it better be super special. The future is Hybrid or electric with generators. Very curious to see how it does.
Well that's disappointing. Maybe they could sell a version without the powertrain and battery so people could put V8's in them.
I would think that the Rivian deal will effect this product, but this won't be a Rivian with new clothes. With that in mind, I will be interested in what the final product becomes. I thought that the RAM EV truck concept was really compelling and the Carlos turned the released truck into a standard RAM.VW could pull the same switch, although not quite the same since this is a new vehicle.
I’ve only seen a handful of old Scouts. They look awesome 💪🏽
International also made a model called the Travelall. It was what would be considered the first SUV. My family had one and we were a 6 kid family
I pray this experiences very much success. The original Scout was AWESOME! I drove one off and own for 5 years. 👍
EV offroader is the best possible idea. Much more potential for traction control and also removing emissions and noise from the wilderness.
Just saw the reveal. Base is $60,000. Neither model looks like the old Scouts. They kind of look like a Rivian. The roofs don’t come off, the front grill is too skinny with black plastic, the rock guard comes up too high on the front bumper, and the body is too short and skinny. It’s the size of the Bronco Sport. Nothing inside of the interior says old Scout. NOTHING RETRO ON IT! The vehicle has very clean, modern lines - very bland. It’s just a cross-over Ute that they slapped the Scout brand on to sell it. I am sitting here listening to everything the head designer is bragging about, yet it is everything that sucks about it. You may want exactly all of this. I wanted a Scout.
I AM KEEPING MY BRONCO AND PASSING.
I hope they succeed and we start seeing them on the road. Still waiting to see a Canoo, or Alpha. Or Jeep Avenger
Canoo could be headed to the toaster. Cash burn.
I would love to see a Hybrid version set up in the likes of the Chevy Volt or the new Ramcharger REx. I think for boxy SUV’s/trucks that’s the ultimate combination. Would be great for camping, and towing. In emergencies it can be a mobile generator for emergency power but can be filled up using gas or a home solar system, whichever is available. It would make the wife happy and would be a great overlander while being a great family car.
My childhood memory is that Scouts were not marketed to every day folks.