The New Scout Might Change The Industry: Here's What We Know!
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I'd love to be able to buy a lightweight, affordable 2 door EV pickup truck that will actually fit into my garage and budget that's made in the USA! A solar bed cover would be a nice option, too.
LMAO you said affordable.....
Solar Tonneua cover would be sick! even if it only gets you 1 mi/hr of sun, that could easily take care of alot of peopels commutes if they park outside at work all day
Lightweight... Affordable... EV... all of those things are mutually exclusive. Nice dream tho
It might be affordable with new battery tech.
With the ID>Buzz being starting at $59,999 this is going to be another $80k EV that.
That?
If you need a go-anywhere American brand ranch use for $40k comparable with the original Scout, you should probably consider a full-size John Deere XUV 845R Signature Edition. It will haul/tow more to more places in a plusher cab than the original Scout.
If you don't need 4000 lbs of towing, you might also consider Polaris.
And at those prices it'll be sitting on the lot. Hopefully VW/Scout has learned from Jeep/Ram and price this to sell in volume - that's the only way they'll actually make money. If it is priced out of most people's range, Scout will be the next Fisker Ocean.
Appreciate Tommy bringing up the obvious the expensive price.
My dad had one when I was a kid. We would take the top off and go up north every weekend with it when there was nice weather. We had great memories in that thing. It was also tough as nails and very reliable.
Well, since Volkswagen owns Scout I doubt it will be affordable, considering the price of the new ID Buzz.
This is a huge step forward. I had a 1970’s Scout II with the IH 345 V8. With 33 x 12.5” tires and 145 hp, it was barely able to crawl itself out of a mud hole. With the new EV tech, it should be at least as capable as a 1990’s jeep. Progress keeps marching forward!
This is the only EV I'd even consider buying here in the mountains of Colorado. Looking forward to the rollout and subsequent testing/reviews. I'd buy a 2nd-year model, if I do pull the trigger.
I’m looking forward to the Scout but my Rivian is a pretty capable off roader. I took it over Middle St Vrain trail without issue. My truck walked right over the gate keeper.
I’m also in the mountains of Colorado. I have a Bolt EUV that I drive to work and around town. If I’m going anywhere adventurous I drive my gas truck. I don’t think EVs are ready for Colorado winter adventures. My range is roughly cut in half with winter mountain driving.
Congrats Tommy for being a dad ❤❤
Been saying it for awhile, EV has its place in the world. And if this Scout is going to follow in the original foot prints of the original IS, it needs to be very capable as the original going Off Road. But if it is just going to be an all season pavement queen, EV is fine. Can appease the fans for the retro look with an EV power train and done deal. Small consumer market and the company might stay afloat. Turning the original IS into and EV powertrain, would give it a 2nd life. I am pro V8, but I don't foresee that happening. The trend has been dumping V8's in favor of smaller engines with turbos. Which is an awful idea for long term life. IMO. But that is relevant to the type of vehicle and what life it is intended for. The way Stellantis is going, Scout could slide in and take some of their business easily.
More charging stations and better batteries will shrink the PHEV segment. Build the BEV with a native NACS plug and forget about PHEV. While it is likely to take more than 2 years I expect to start seeing significantly lighter batteries in cars in 5 years or less which will benefit BEVs in general but especially off road and towing.
It will be playing in Rivians space. If they differentiate it by holding true to the scout heritage, especially in base trim.
The fact that it is an EV is the reason that I am excited about it. We never had a Scout, but one of my parents' horse friends had one, and it was cool from my recollection.
Since an affordable upfront price is unlikely, a reasonably economic-to-repair design would be a useful (Bronco Rivian).
I'd like to see it electrified with a built in gas generator - like that Chinese truck you reviewed
Why make it so complicated? Just put a gas engine in it. No plug in hybrid. They're gambling, hoping the EV market picks up. It is what it is 🤷🏾♂️
@@alleng012985series hybrid system is surprising simple. Not “complicated”. It completely removes the need for a transmission or a driveline. And electric motors can be easily rebuilt if you’d like to / need to.
I’ve only seen a handful of old Scouts. They look awesome 💪🏽
I hope they succeed and we start seeing them on the road. Still waiting to see a Canoo, or Alpha. Or Jeep Avenger
Batteries continue to drop in price, in 2 years they have the opportunity to fill a niche for a simple EV. No 7 LCD dash, no massaging heated and cooled seats. Just a couple motors and 100kwh of batteries. If they do that, maybe they can get it down to ~$40k with falling batt and power electronics prices
Yet one cannot name a worthy affordable EV worth owning esp in a 4x4 and one would only be kidding themselves if they think VW will make the Scout fit that niche...
I only know about the Scout pickup, but I think it may surprise people on being affordable and having decent range options. I never saw dimensions but I believe it will be smaller than the full sized trucks, but have a fairly large bed. I could be wrong because VW spent 10 years insisting that the Buzz would have 300+ miles and it doesn’t.
My thing on developing a new gas platform is that the rest of the world is leaving internal combustion behind in 10-15 years, so they will only be able to sell it in 30-35 US states and maybe a few Canadian provinces. That’s a lot of investment for a potentially limited market. GM is still developing new ICE engines, but not new platforms for them. Meanwhile new much more powerful batteries and much faster charging are on the horizon. China already has cars that can charge in 10 minutes and are testing ones that can charge in 5-6 minutes. I think those speeds will be infrastructure limited though, but a lighter battery that costs less and has more range will be on the US market in 4 years.
Not to mention that a lot of people in the storm damaged areas are now running their refrigerator off an extension cord to the truck bed plugs. That works just as well for overlanding
Most good off-road trails in the US like in the west require hours of driving on highway to reach both ways even if they are short trails- think LA to any trail like Mojave desert etc. That’s where hybrid is really the way to go and you can bring spare fuel so you don’t get stuck in 100 degree heat when you misjudge your EV range.
I would think that the Rivian deal will effect this product, but this won't be a Rivian with new clothes. With that in mind, I will be interested in what the final product becomes. I thought that the RAM EV truck concept was really compelling and the Carlos turned the released truck into a standard RAM.VW could pull the same switch, although not quite the same since this is a new vehicle.
You can't plug into a tree, but you also can't get gas out of a stone.
What will it take for the Scout to be successful? How many Scouts will need to be sold per month to be a viable business? 10,000? In 2 years will there be 240,000 customers who want another $80,000 and up SUV?
THEY NEED TO MAKE IT SIMPLE!!!
“Wrangler-esque”. Something you can bolt modifications onto.
(Hey VW, it better have a volume knob and not a slider!!!)
The only companies "backing away" from EVs are the ones that can't make competitive EVs. Demand for EVs continues to grow and set sales records almost every quarter. The only reason plug-in hybrids appear more popular is because of heavy marketing by companies that suck at building EVs (like Toyota).
I completely agree with your statement..
Toyota is sloppy in building EVs. However it builds 2 decent PHEVs. One of them RAV4 Prime it's made unobtanium by the company on purpose to promote HEVs instead.
We will see if the Toyota bet will help or destroy the company.
In the most USA states the car market is very conservative so the company bets on ICE. I don't think that's for long. EVs will take off like smart phones.
To me, a PHEV makes sense where I live. Traveling west into the city, it gets easier to find chargers, but traveling east into the mountains, they become impossible to find. Most EVs theoretically have the range to make it to most places I go, but the problem with mountain driving is that it's very difficult to calculate actual range, and definitely beyond the ability of most car based computers. The constant changing terrain and road quality just don't play well with range estimation. You might have to drive straight up the face of the mountain on one side, using triple the power you normally would, only to gently roll down the tapering spine on the other side so regen won't get you back any of what you used going up. Or you could try to plan a route that avoids inclines, only to find its all rutted dirt and gravel so slow going and using more torque.
I'm not the "take a jerry can everywhere" kind of person, but the lack of infrastructure is exemplified the further you get from population centers. Being able to top off in any small town is very important.
Hybrids are a completely different tool. Evs aren't for touring or extreme cold. Most of these will call a gravel road offroading.
To be fair, Toyota sucks are building gas engines too (pan to recall)
Would love for them to have a manual transfer case to really get back to the basics for off-roading, doubtful with an EV system, but one can dream…
If launching in 2026, perhaps it will launch with Quantomscape batteries given the VW connection.. I have been waiting for a Bronco Sport EV but Ford isn't interested in making commuter EVs just massive EVs. If the Scout EV competes with the Bronco Sport but as an EV I would be VERY interested. And if it came with the safety and durability of solid state batteries from a maker like QuatomScape this could be amazing! Having said that, the Scout brand is at some level iconic and they don't want to repeat the blasphemous Grand Wagoneer train wreck.
Great looking car, much rather the looks of the Scout than any of the Fords, Chevys, Jeeps etc… great proportions and not huge or obese.
The VW/Rivian partnership is circling around both the infotainment software and the entire Rivian Gen 2 electronics architecture. Rivian greatly simplified the their vehicle architecture so they need FAR fewer ECMs than a traditional vehicle. They actually eliminated about 2 miles of cabling in the gen 2 vehicles and greatly simplified the software needed to run everything. There is a lot of savings to be had with that kind of design and why VW bought into it.
I’d love a new Scout , got the chance to photograph a Scout 2 that was restored and I fell in love with the trucks , sadly I don’t think I’ll
Be able to afford one of these machines. Please keep
Up the great work , I always enjoy the vids.
Glad it’s going to be electric. However Scout’s were durable, simple, customizable, and affordable!
We still have them running around on ranches here in Texas
VW - please hit the above marks.
Mario Lopez his Hollywood walk of Fame today, and I totally agree what ya are saying.
No go if over 45k.
"Would you be more interested in a Scout if it was gasoline or electric?"
Electric. But it has to be done right. Don't just do fully-independent suspension. Don't sacrifice seating position and visibility for range and try to fix it by adding a million cameras. It has to have NACS. It has to have 300+ miles of range.
NGL, I'm really looking heavily at the new Ramcharger because it can tow 14k lbs on gasoline. But I really don't think a Scout would be a huge tow-er. It doesn't really need the on-board generator.
If the new Scout has at least a solid rear axle, big tires and little wheels, 300+ miles of range, NACS charging, and a good seating position, I'd 100% buy it.
The best thing they could do is pivot and make a 4cyl turbo version for way less. 45k base would be better and then leave the EV at 70k ish. I fear that if it is just an EV with a 70K plus base price they just wont sell and eventually go under. Having a Scout would be amazing but I definitely see them pricing out the working man.
Because when I think offroad, I think Volkswagen. 😅
The Tourareg was actually a pretty BA offroad vehicle, and Audi obviously makes top notch 4wd, so who knows. My question is can they make it affordable and reliable
it should have one of those "generator sytle" hybrids
Probably will fizzle out before production unless it's offered with an internal combustion choice.
I think we need to stop giving these companies passes for creating these über expensive vehicles. We seriously have to start giving some sort of pushback otherwise they’re just gonna keep doing it. You guys are in a position to give these companies immediate feedback and PRICE need to be more prevalent in the feedback loop
The interest is waining because we have to wait until 2026! This happen to the ibuzz it took so long to get here that a lot of us moved on, who knows what will be the fad in 2026 and like you said the cost! Someone has to make it affordable .Period! Good range , I would rather have a hybrid or range extender type power trane . It has to be affordable or it will not sell. Like the Bronco nice but wow expensive.
I thought I saw an electric scout going up imogean back in July.
My dad bought a new scout in 1965 and I learned to 4 wheel in it at a young age. I feel the VW blew it with the Buzz. Such a cool design but the puny range ruins it completely!
Hard to picture a 2-door off-roader EV with 300 miles of range.
International Harvester went bankrupt in the 80's. As part of the Chapter 11 proceedings, they had to stop making the Scout and the Travelall vehicles.
It’s like if they brought back your favorite steak restaurant from your childhood, but only served Vegan dishes 🙁
What about the Internation Harvester? Their version of the Suburban.
An EV that has real 4wd, a frame, good suspension travel, lockable diffs, and isn't enormous would be awesome
But it seems doubtful
it's going to be close to 100 grand with 1000hp like all ev's these days
I think the Scout could be a huge success if would be a dead simple EV: Standard components, no fancy entertainment systems / screens bullshit, manual lockers ect. and easy to service. and because of that a low price. but this is just my opinion.
the guy on the left looks like a scout mini haha
So Rover coppied International Harvester - turning the Land Rover (no defender, series I/II at most) into the Range Rover for the farmer to dress up a little to drive into town in a little more style.
The Scout needs to be a lot smaller than the Cybertruck, Hummer, Rivian etc. if it can be made in a compact size it can have a lot smaller battery and be cheaper than those other trucks. Scaled down it could be exported to Europe and other markets that are further down the EV pathway than the US which is still dragging its heels. 2026 is some time away and I’d say hybrids will be going back off the boil by then.
Growing up on Scouts and a guy that works on cars one can only imagine how VW and a EV will ruin the name and the what the lineage that the original stood for!!!
Last Time I checked, you couldn’t get gasoline from a tree
I'm prepared to be disappointed, but boy would I love to finally get a nice little electric off-roader with solid axles. Or at LEAST a solid rear axle.
Hopefully it has decent range. The ID falls flat because of the range you get for the price.
I wonder if their going to bring back the International Travelall.
Offer an optional gas generator range extender for the few that need it.
I am not getting my hopes up on this one, I know it wont be as disappointing as Chevys newest "Blazer" but it seems like all "offroad" EV's don't lend themselves to modifications like the JL/JT, Tacoma/4Runner and Bronco do. At least to this offroader Id like to modify me rig to my liking.
It's way way too late to change it to an ice hybrid. The would have to reengineer the whole thing.
Success will come down to price which I expect will be high. DOA
The problem is the price. It’s a cool vehicle but it’s out of my price range and I expect out of a lot of people’s price range.
Also, I’m not sold on EVs. Give me a basic gas or diesel off roader, the less electronics the better.
Can you address any progress on EVs catching fire after getting floode nd. Floridaian who doesn’t want his house burning down
I disagree with anyone who says the ID Buzz is retro.
The Scout needs to be all EV.. but Scout needs to have the range..EV's are better off road than gas powered trucks..dual motors have great capabilities...
30 grand I’ll buy it. But we all know it’s going to be expensive
What makes the Scout survive this time? VW didn't deliver with the Buzz, totally different from the prototype interior and lousy software and no camp mode.
Wondering if someone will turn it into a ICE vehicle lol
The interest is waining because we have to wait until 2026! This happen to the ibuzz it took so long to get here that a lot of us moved on, who knows what will be the fad in 2026 and like you said the cost! Someone has to make it affordable .Period! Good range , I would rather have a hybrid or range extender type power trane . It has to be affordable or it will not sell.
Volkswagen (Group) has modern V6 and V8 engines, I wonder why they decided not to use one or two of them in this instead of going fully electric.
Maybe they sell a few hundred in the US. Maybe even as many as Rivian or Lucid. So what?
Hopefully they get enough independence from the mothership, if they don't that could be what dooms the whole thing.
Once you said it will be all electric I can't see any way it can affordable
ALL OVER PRICED .
I'd only be interested if it was ICE. Pure EV is a non starter for me due to the weight.
simple electric, remove all expensive part and make it affordable
So this is going to be a rivian platform with scout branding sold by VW. I dont hate it but am skeptical.
Electric is coming back. We're in a lull between waves. Buyers need time to adjust to the idea, costs need to continue to come down, the charging networks need to mature (or everyone needs to adopt NACS).
Once you drive electric, gas just feels dumb. Except for towing. That's the only use-case left at this point that works better with gas.
The dumbest thing that manufacturers could do at this point is let themselves get further behind Tesla just because there's a lull in the market. When you're on a timesale where it takes at least half a decade to design, tool, and produce your product, you can't afford to give up on the future because there's a dip for a couple years. It's incredibly stupid.
Sad to see a classic American brand turned over to an international foreign conglomerate.
Better than the brand being dead.
@@jlaw1901Not really.
Like Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge?
hopefully, being properly german, it wont spontaneously combust (if its an ev) like the chinese ev's.
The thing that grinds my gears about reviving the scout is they know these would sale like hot cakes if they offered a ICE version of it but instead they want to make it EV only and blow billions of $ for something no one wants.
Even the EV van is cool and for both the van and the scout I would 100% buy one if they had an engine but unlike the 1% of people who will buy them, I want and need a vehicle that has more the 250 miles of range 💀🤡
If it wasn't an EV, it'd be a turbo 4-banger. Looking forward to seeing the eventually LS-swap.
Probably be like the Wrangler, used as a commuting vehicle by rich girls getting their $10 coffee.
If VW is the owner then it will suffer from reliability and price-gouging... just like Jeep is doing now with Stellantis.
We do not need another expensive SUV. This is just using the name for an investment money grab. Like Rivian, it will survive as long as it can raise capital.
Just like the Buzz VW will have a very cool looking concept and the final Scout will look nothing like that and be a big disappointment.
it'll come out in 2032, right after the VW Bus finally becomes available.
Was interested until you said it would be all electric
People don’t want EV’s as they’re currently built. Invest the money to scale battery production properly, and build a vehicle that’s absolutely possible with today’s tech, let alone tomorrow’s. 400 mile range minimum, aggressive charging curve, NACS plug, proper advertisement of charging availability. Road tripping with an EV is a solved problem. I drive a long range Tesla, about 90k miles in the last 36 months. The car lasts longer than your bladder, and is quicker to charge up than to order and receive a sandwich
I hope they steal all the rivian software for it now that they have invested. I have an ID.4; anytime I am using it as a car it is the best car I have ever driven. Every time I am using it as a computer it is horrible. VW does amazing engineering, but wow they cannot do software.
Nuts to release it as an EV only. Gonna flop for that very reason. Look at the EV Hummer.. Iconic re-release of a car, flopped
EV !!!! No gas - no buy
Too bad, the original Scout was a simple design that would get the job done. An electric VW version just sounds like failure all around - probably starts at $80K and goes to $120K.
Well if its only going to be available as an EV then I won't be buying one.
Gonna cost way too much
VW has no business buying this brand . Scout should only be brought back as an ice, not a 100k EV.
You got me until you said that was electric power!
No thanks ..
magna platform
Please buld it up to date in as ev.
It won't change the industry unless it launches with 400 miles range at $40,000 starting. Another $80,000 300 mile EV Adventure Vehicle is nothing special.
I would much rather have a hybrid if I have to
Unimog anyone?