Enclosing A Timber Frame With SIP Panel Walls | Martha’s Vineyard | Ep. 4
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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Like beans and cornbread, or PB&J - timber frames & SIP panels go really well together!
In this episode, we follow up on the 24" x 36" timber frame as Gaius & the Shelter crew start to enclose the frame, starting with gypsum as the first layer, and then SIP wall panels.
In the next episode, we will move on to the roof before any rainy weather blows through...
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I love you guys. For the first time since I've been interested in timber frame I heard clear explanation and guidance about gap between wall and roof panels. Respect for knowledge, commitment and overall great approach to the craft
A friend of mine is a SIP builder. I have watched him build with Timberframe. He uses panels by Extreme Panel out of Cottonwood Minnesota. They build panels as big as 8'x24' . He doesn't use any foam for assembly, He uses SIP specific caulk in a sausage tube. He orders his panels to spec and they fit like a glove. HE does Air seal testing and his houses are very tight.
I have been dreaming of building my own timber frame/SIP cabin for years. This video blew my mind! Thanks for sharing!
I saw the shelter Institute a couple of years ago and thought it was pretty cool. Now I've been working in construction for the last six months, and I got to say: it's even cooler now that I have some experience. Solid work. Would love to see more series like this with different builds.
Thank you Reed!
built a 3 story timber frame post and beam on the vineyard in the 1980s I see the delivery issues have not changed lol. Nice job guys.
Absolutely phenomenal craftsmanship. Thank you again for sharing.
So, here I was lying in bed and couldn't sleep because I was wondering how to do accomplish what your video explains, especially the sheetrock issue, and this has been a conundrum of mine for 15 years. I can sleep again, thank you.
Your videos are excellent! They are detailed and straight forward. I am also enthused about the course and hope to take it soon.
Coming from the west coast, the whole SIP system is new to me.
Thank you for this video and information!
Great video! I did my first (and only) a couple of years ago, and needless to say, it would have gone a lot better if I knew what I was doing (and if I had someone to help me!).
Was very curious about this part. Very insightful.
Love all this info!
What about running strapping along the outside members of the frame - install the panels. Then using the strapping as a separator between frame and panel, giving you a way to tuck in the drywall.
Love the video but wondering if SI has ever tried a liquid WRB on a build. Obviously this would have to be applied once the panels are all in place ... but this housewrap looked to have a lot of wrinkles and seams, and the penetration from the meat hook.
I was gonna ask if those timbers were green and you answered it. At the beginning I was wondering since the gypsum is attached the timbers do you guys ever run into issues with the gypsum cracking later on? I assume no but I also have no clue how much those timber’s actually shrink
Do you have any videos installing SIPs horizontally across beams that already have the toung and groove pre- attached from the factory showing how you keep from dinging the T&G?
Thank you for the interesting video!!
I'm wondeirng if you've ever had the experience of building a SIP-panelled house on a floating platform? Or if you have any recommendations on the type of timber structure to be used for a floating house?
If you install the drywall before the SIPs, it seems like this precludes you from taping the inside of the panels. Isn't this important for air sealing? Same thing for the roof assembly and the T&G.
Could you guys build a timber frame house on the moon and make a video series about it? 10/10 would watch.
It is currently on the docket.
first comment! love you guys, online student looking forward to picking your brains in a couple years when I'm ready to build
ohhhh dude :D
I'm interested to see the plumbing and electrical go in. My house has a cosy 45mm cavity for services between the plaster and airtight membrane, I guess that's not what happens here.
Why do you foam the walls before running wires through your electrical chases?
Also when installing the 2x material into the window and door openings are you foaming these 2x's in?
Great question! We foam the walls because that is a part of panel installation. After we foam the walls we clear the chases with a pipe. We do foam the window and door bucking to each other and to the panel.
Real nice, but I didn’t see caulk on the sill shoe. Do you have holes there as well and fill with foam?
Gypsum, hand crafteted, crazy stories about deliveries. Idk if it worth watching this. Now automatic staple gun is a marvel. Love the hook into the meat.
Why do you use such a gargantuan sill plate? (3 1/2" x 14")
Not being sarky. Truly curious. Edit: Mostly curious about how it cantilevers both inboard and outboard of that foundation wall.
Lots of knowledge bombs dropped in this video :)
Man that looks like fun!
Thanks for showing the detail.
Thank you for the watch!
9:55 Brilliant idea.
It is imperesive. What is the cross-section measures of rafters? Maybe,
20cm x 20 cm GL24h ?
Thank you! This is 15 - 1/4 cm x 20.3 cm (6" x 8").
@@ShelterInstitute Wow, it is smaller than I think. It is Glulam, right? Also, I would like to ask you another thing. How do you calculate or analyse your truss systems? With softwares or hand calculation?
Great project. The wall system is more innovative than the floor. The floor is quite tranditional in this project.
Interesting video. I've only done traditional framing, years back my dad and a carpenter built a post & beam house. I remember him saying they were putting the "slips" on. He had a knack for mispronouncing words. Are those mostly students of your course who are doing most of the work?
That is our Shelter Design Build crew. Our courses are all based out of our campus in Maine, our crew are teachers in our courses!
I've watched a number of your timber frame projects.. very cool system... the crane.... I noticed on this video when the homeowner comes to the job and they are standing next to a column, I wondered if you sand all your material before it goes out? That column, (at least in this video) looks pretty smooth.....
We plane all of our timbers before sending them to the jobsite!
hey bro ım from turkey yours is perfect job !! :D
Would cost more but could you use zip system and have it count as water barrier and sandwich foam rather than sips?
great info, thanks for sharing!
I agree!
Thank you for watching!
Surprised to see you using open cell foam between panels.. seems like a water absorption issue waiting to happen....
Your procedure of hanging full shieets before the SIPs looks highly efficient to me. Do you tape and mud the drywall after the SIPs go on?
So I can't figure it out, what's the advantage of building this way? Looks to me like more work, more expensive meterials, and horrible in a fire, and building meterials exposed to rain
I am not being a D bag, I am legitimately curious-it seems like you guys are relying on the expanding foam quite a great deal for waterproofing and longevity of the structure. What happens as the structure begins to settle? IE. foundation unevenly settling, the wood swelling/contracting, etc.?
I love timber frame, not readily available here. Best possible would be 6x6 or 6x4 in limited lengths.
That's a lot of plastic in that insulation! Imagine if it was wood fiber insulation, a superior material in many aspects (and fire resistant when treated with ammonium sulfate).
designed and built a SIP 3600 SQ FT house in 1996....fun
Sounds fun!
What if I don't want to live in a rectangular, gable box!
Everything we do is completely customizable to the clients taste!
Thank you for the video, please dont let your workers be under suspended loads.
Walls of Timber framed houses should be made with Hempcrete... then you'll be near perfection.
I think its only one week everything is done “Amazing”😮
Where do the electrics and plumbing go
Why no ridge beam
We engineered this building so that we do not need one.
You don’t have to use meathooks to raise the panels....it’s just easier to use them.
Well the way they installed those sips just made another negative for me regarding choosing them. I mean the sill plate isnt anchored to the foundation for one. I know its not a typical stick frame but still it will prevent up draft forces. Glue and using long screws into the timber frame isnt doing anything. And not to mention the seal quality keeping out water and bugs.
What if it rains
Could you tell us somewhere what an SIP is? I mean I presume it is an acronym but you never say what it is
A SIP is a Structural Insulated Panel!
What's the raw cost of these houses?
Hopefully these people are more proactive about siding the building than the people at Pure Living For Life were.
They're still living in an unskinned home 3+ years on. And SIPs panels aren't supposed to remain exposed that long.
why to build timber frame, if you build sip house? It's like spending for two houses. Sip houses are build without timber frame.
Well good job guys. The starting of this house is great the walls are excellent and better then most I have seen. Then comes the outer walls some of the crappiest I have seen. Foam and chip board palace with a internal wood façade. Sorry for being harsh just annoyed with all the icing on your cake.
I don’t understand why people were trying to convince this client into choosing a _’stick-frame’_ instead of a _’timber-frame’_ installed by these guys?
This build went up like lightning and completely stress-free.
And whoever it was that suggested building a _’stick-frame’_ and making it look like a _’timber-frame’_ is an absolute imbecile and should be banned from building!!! 🤨
SIp Panels have to be used in timber frames. Timber frames are fine and SIPs are awful. They get wavy. The ants like them. Too bad there is not a better alternative. If you stud a timber frame you are doing double duty. Most materials are made for stud frames. Anything with OSB is suspect.
I literally cannot believe you’re hammering nails individually to attach gypsum sheets to the frame….never heard of nail or screw guns? They’re easily 4-5 times faster and time is money guys!
There isn’t any room for error with that small surface area of the timber frame. Wouldn’t want to go too fast and blast a hole in the Sheetrock.
This System doesn't exist in europe. A good question why. Nobody wants to live in a plastic box. Like tubberware. Co2 footprint?
The ridiculous posturing with the masks is just laughable.
So I know your techniques are correct, but they go against instinct, and being the control freak that I am, you'd be getting arguments from me and I'd get kicked off the job.
These silly masks
Show the plumbing and electrical. No one cares about the other stuff
Critics: Sips are for the rich
Shelter institute: No, but today we are working in Martha's Vineyard. One of the most elite places you can live in America, how close is this to the Obama's?