Dr. Mike ! Love your vids bro. This vids 6 months old now, got an amazing coach and monthly blood work. Definitely made some mistakes early on but the bros are learning to body build semi healthier😂
it was a lightbulb moment for me. "oh. OH! thats what this is about, these dudes think they need all this to disguise being DnD nerds". honestly when i say it out loud i just feel stupid for taking so long to see it.
Decades ago in the 'Pickup' community, I saw it used as Alpha Male Other Guy. That is, competition from a Chad who might get in the way of a PUA working his game.
I love Dr Mike's conclusion on the Tren Twin's steroid screw-ups which is basically "You guys are lovable idiots, but I'm glad you guys are aware and are telling people not to make the same mistakes"
Dr Mike explained the side effects perfectly with the anxiety, bad decision making, impulsiveness and mood swings.. people don't often talk about those particular side effects but they're real
I know this is old asf but Im high and gotta ask. What happens if someone with BPD who already has many of those symptoms takes it? Does it intensify the symptoms or cancel them out, like with ADHD and adderall for example?
I ran a personal training company in Connecticut in the early 2000s and there were so many guys just like this. Its so funny to see that nothing has changed
LMAO. this is great. someone commented on their vids about how they'd get mauled by a grappler and they went nuts talking about how they'd hit the grappler with a 45 plate and that they would just bench the guy off them, LOL.
Mike, I wish there were more videos that examine lifting for individuals with labor intensive jobs i.e. climbing ladders, repetitive lifting and motions and how that correlates to joint longevity and intensity while lifting/recovery. Its easier to program with an office job, but a landscaper that walks 20 miles a day and on their feet definitely effects a solid leg day. Would really appreciate your insights on the topic 💪
Exactly this, it helps if i go in before work but that usually leave me gassed for the rest of the day and after work is even worse cause all i want to do is go home
@m4yd0g yes, when a guy is string trimming around the entire house, edging, blowing, 20-25 properties it's a ton of walking. Plenty of people show their step trackers, it's nuts
Yeah bodybuilding almost an extreme sport. To me fitness is my 89 year old tank of a grandma who’s not had any health complications and as strong as a bull. And still tending to her massive 4 acre garden.
It was useless. Zero accuracy in that book and responsible for bro science on gear. I'll be doing my thesis hopefully in the future on androgen toxicity and his book my go to reference for what NOT to do. Tren is 5 x stronger than testosterone LMAOOO
David Mech retracted his theory of Alpha wolves in 1999 when he realized that his initial assertion was incorrect. Culturally, we can't seem to deal with the fact that the man who popularized the theory of the "Alpha Wolf" said he was wrong, and we keep using it anyway.
Meanings and language evolve. We say a lot of things in English that aren't correct but it's accepted in common speech and everyone knows what it means.
@@BigBADSTUFF69 Eh, it actually is a concept that exists. It's the structure that occurs when you force wolves into an abnormal/unnatural/synthetic pack. He retracted his theory specifically because of that fact, he supposed that the "alpha-beta" structure was how natural packs formed and how the hierarchy broke down in nature, but it only looked like that because real wolf packs are a mother-father-pups unit, with the mother and father at the top, and instead of studying that they just forced a bunch of wolves who were strangers to one another together and... they didn't like that. Bad conclusions were drawn, and then they realized that the experiment was shitty (as far as fulfilling its original goal goes, it was still a good experiment if you wanted to study what would happen if you forced unrelated wolves to live amongst each other).
I wish Dr Mike could do one or several videos on "training after 40", "training for family-men with limited time" or "how to preserve your joints while training". I'm 43, trying to get back in shape but used joints can really slow you down.
Hey Dr. Mike, I discovered your channel ~2 ½ years ago, and your straightforward, evidence-supported content has proven to be the most effective fitness blueprint ever for me. I’ve been lifting for a decade. Before stumbling into RP, I was a SixPackShortcuts disciple turned Athlean- X weenie. I trained to failure constantly, my idea of overload was switching between gimmicky circus trick workouts on a weekly basis, and I spent a non-negligible amount of time trying to recomp, effectively staying in body purgatory. It got to the point where I sincerely believed I was one of those genetically-doomed chodes whose total muscle gain couldn’t amount to more than ~15 lbs. In fewer than three years of following RP’s training and nutrition guidelines, I’ve lost more body fat and gained more muscle than I had in the previous six. My only complaint is that you hadn’t started dropping these nuggets of knowledge/gaining traction earlier on in my fitness journey!
Man, what happened to natural lifters? Everywhere you look, there's an influencer, roided out of his mind, giving you "advice". At least these dudes are honest about it.
Like the guy above me said you gotta find them and to add some more to the list check out Sean nalewanyj, natty life, Will Tennyson and..... that's that's I can remember for now.
Dude our environment and food supply is literally poisoning us and nuking our test. And then when you try to fix that with a little bit of roids all of a sudden you're the bad guy. Just think of what could have been had you grown up under ideal conditions and had gotten the correct nutrition from birth and avoided all the poisons of modernity.
I'd love to see Dr. Mike react to Will Tennyson's latest video, in which Matt the biohack trainer sells Will on some pretty questionable training and recovery methods. They make some pretty bold claims and provide some pretty hand-wavey explanations.
@ActivateTrueHealth correct, you don't follow my comment. But I see how it could have been confusing. He did not see bullshit in the crazy slow reps machine.
@@justwannabehappy6735 yup... Yet so many people watch in awe even when Sam is out of breath trying to speak, lol ... Dude's gonna go belly up any day now; whether now or 10 years
@@sundvallendudes like you make me laugh. I’ve used roids and I was deluded and thought I was like, ascended past normies and everyone was jealous. Nope, you realise you come across as really insecure and it means nothing if you don’t have a good job or other things that give you status You are either chad or not, if you have a bad jawline, steroids don’t help
I’m 46 years old. Been lifting for 30 years. I won’t judge anyone who uses steroids, but if you still want to be a healthy lifter into your 40s and 50s, get off the gear.
A lot of people especially young ones don't want to train for 7-10 years to look like a laziest working PEDs user. Natural lifting for looks hurts af. Lifting for performance however is much more sustainable.
Sometimes I wish I was on roids, I get tempted, then I rewatch the side effects, and yup it's always enough for me to stay natural. I started training seriously around 2014, and a lot of gym influencers from that era had issues or are dead, Rich Piana is dead, Kali muscle had a stroke, Von Mogger attempted suicide and that other dude went crazy... What the heck? Those Sulek, tren bros kids are going to be cooked by their 30s top... Also, I like my balls, not having tits, and having a functioning heart.
I have been Bodybuilding for 35 years. My biggest piss-off is when the young guys come to you for advice and when you tell them how much you took, and how much time you were off between cycles (NOT CRUISING) they think you are a liar and they do the same bullshit we told them not to. Jump forward five years same person, they gained fifty pounds over that time and now off gear for whatever reason they shank back to the size they were when they asked for your advice five years ago, and you are still jacked and haven't cycled in five years.
Holy shit i cant imagine taking gear and then going off and losing your gains anyway. Must be heartbreaking knowing you did that to your body and couldnt even keep what you were supposed to gain from it 💀
@@Thleta I see that alot where I work. Usually they just hop on gear and don't even bother researching the stuff like OK this that this that done but how about I add one thing more then after a cycle they still working out but for some reason nothing happens anymore and they get discouraged coz they are looking for that ultra fast growth and it doesn't happen anymore and some of em stops working out coz depressed since the cycle is done so they are recovering from all the gear they took so that's a good time for weeks and most of these guys don't even understand it's the gear making them think that way. But some of them just resume doing another cycle too early and then and there a GYM BRO is born always on gear always losing his mind till his heart reminds him that it's time to pay taxes with a stroke. Ignorance is bad, if you are gonna do gear do your do diligence and study up so you don't get blind sided once you are showing behavioural changes that affects your decision making big time so you don't end up on a spiral to the void due to bad decisions brought to you by gear and that's a very nasty cycle.
@@BaconManBruhhow many dudes have you seen die from this theory of yours? It also could have been other stressors in life that lead to that. But at the same time, it’s hard to comment because idk what these dudes were running or for how long.
One of these guys are probably gonna pass away early and the other will be all sad and still probably continue to do drugs and say dumb shit. Until he hits 40 and he looks two steps from death, he’s divorced, and his views are dwindling towards zero. Then he’ll finally get a job as a stocker at Wal-Mart
Love your videos Dr. Mike I consider you a friend even though we'll never actually meet. But you're videos have helped me evolve my lifting and my I enjoy the results I'm seeing.
It's good that almost everyone who gets juiced up warns others against it. I think it's a better position to be in where people ask me if I'm on the juice and I say of course not - What a nice compliment! Rather than being roided out and having people ask if you're natty for not - That question must hurt PED heads. All those needles, blood work, and organ damage, and it's still not obvious that you're enhanced?!
A lot of steroid users seem to perpetuate the dangerous myth that steroids don't do that much for you physically though. Schwarzenegger said they gave him an additional 5%, Dr Mike and the Tren twins say they aren't magic pills. They're literally given to bed bound patients who have gone through cancer treatment or severe physical trauma such as burn victims to help them put on lean mass. They are fucking magic pills. If they did very little why would anyone take them in the first place? Why would they risk their long term physical and mental health for tiny gains?
@@shane_rm1025 I think that Steve Reeves had their most aesthetic physique of all time, and he was natural. Obviously he was truly gifted, but I think everyone can achieve great results naturally if they eat and train properly.
@@TheLukeMcknightlmao my dad was (and is) jacked as fuck 6’2 240 18-19 inch arms fucking crazy, and I asked him if he took steroids and his response was “no I did used to snort crank and workout though” 😂
@TheLukeMcknight Well if you listen to Mike its totally fine to do steroids if you've been lifting for a while and you're 25+. Garbage advice, but i guess its better to absorb tren twins viewers for more $ than to piss them off
I like the car analogy, or at least an engine analogy. The engine at pristine, regular pressures can operate a long time at max power and do things to stay healthy/strong. Or you can bore cylinders, increase compression, change timing, etc. to pull more power out but the engine won't last as long.
So little story, had 3 separate guys casually discuss taking steroids this week in the gym, all 3 are in their early 20s and started taking it when they were 16 for football
i'm super anti steroid for myself. I think it's pinnacle of self absorbed vanity. But the Tren Twins are so transparent and honestly hilarious i can't help but like them lolol
And yet they age horribly and fast ... It doesn't look good. In my opinion, the whole thing - the way it messes with your hormones, the effects on heart, brain, hair, the need for control, the idea that you can't get big enough, the need to kind of shock people, the obsession , the dying in middle age... it's far more akin to anorexia... What baffles me is that whilst one is seen as a mental illness; the other is seen as "goals"... I can never decide whether it's worse that we encourage, or at least allow, (primarily) men in this field to slowly destroy themselves; or whether it's worse that we don't stop them or seem to care... One thing I'm fairly sure of though, it's not just vanity. There's a whole lot of insecurity and low self esteem built in there too.
@@imjustsam1745 are you asking me? HRT, with the support of blood tests etc is fine for both men and women. But I definitely wasn't referring to replacement dosing.
It's sad to see kids get caught up like this. I've been in this game responsibly for over 5 decades. I've seen dummies like these two come and go and it never ends well. They remind me of the Barbarian Twins. 30 years later one is dead and the other looks like shyt. Ask the survivor if it was worth it. I'm all for physical enhancement with an edge if it's done correctly and under doctors supervision. I get blood tests every month. I'm monitored by 4 doctors and it's worked well for me. I'm 62 and am often mistaken for 40. In fact I had one endocrinologist warn me that I might have problems later in life after looking at my chart, seeing what I'm taking. My response was, when is later in life? Do you realize In in my sixties with more year's behind me than ahead of me? She almost fell off of her chair in shock. Thinking I was 39 or 40! 🤣
Commentators..Not all people who work in healthcare look at all your health info... do you think they're extra special beyond retail workers just bcus it's a medical profession? I work in healthcare. NOT EVERY "DOCTOR" READS YOUR INFO
Yeah doctors should probably know their patients basic information. This doesn't sway me at all and if you are being honest then you work with some extremely terrible doctors.@@ihouseu3340
I would love a reaction/critique video regarding Will Tennyson's new one (or something similar) regarding biohacking for muscle growth/recovery. As a scientist (a structural biologist who admittedly is unfamiliar with the current state of the athletic science literature), that stuff always feels like bunk, but I know plenty of people will (and do) buy into it.
@@CathyBojould Ha, perhaps! But I'd argue he's tangentially relevant to the channel since they did a collab. I also think that whether him looking like he lifts or not isn't relevant to my comment
Steroids by themselves actually DO increase muscle protein synthesis, more than an average natty training, but training + roids have a much greater effect
As a 36 year old female seeing 20 year olds that jacked is weird. Like I want to feel attraction but then they still look like kids to me so I’m just weirded out by it 😂 But I love everyone’s honesty 👍🏻 Now if only females would get honest.
@@johncalla2151 I guess she's referring to the fact that lots of women take PED's too. Not to mention cosmetic surgeries like butt lifts etc. They call it "hard work at the gym" when in reality a lot of it can be fake.
Day 9 realizing that DR Mike and Vince vaugn have the same voice and you can imagine Vince vaugn talking Dr Mike’s words and it makes the show even better.
I have read a study that men that didn't work out and took steroids gained more muscle than people who worked out and didn't take steroids. I think it was short term, though.
Theres alot of problems with that study though. Once you hop off you lose all the gains. And that also happens to guys that never lift, they gain muscle while on gear, but you have to be eating right.
Yo Dr. Mike. I'm really confused about something. You and others seem to know alot and care alot about your health, but you take steroids knowing it's terrible for your health. Why?
Why did I get drunk at a party? Because it's fun. Why does Mike take steroids? Because he wants to be huge. I guess he's dancing on the edge , I think his wife is a normal doc? I guess given both ain't great for Your organs... people get away with a drinking habit for 20+ years if it doesn't escalate. Some do. Others don't. To me it looks Mike has somewhat clubbed fingernails . Or so it seems from here . Not sure how serious a sign it is but it's not good, related to heart or kidney issues.
They weren't taking tren back then, but now they do, they talked about doses in one of more recent videos, clearly lots of roid rage lately including black eye accidental fight.
I love you for that, Mike. I love that you questioned Derek's character and his validity as "God Father of Steriods". Ive had nothing but unpleasant experiences with Derek, he only cares about your follower #s, then he'll be 'humble'. Hes very open about his steroid use and knowledgeable on the subject. That doesn't make him a great person
How come you removed the hypertrophy training guide from your website? It had recommended weekly sets and exercises for every muscle group and was very helpful
Because it’s useless. It was a good guide, but it’s only helpful to you because you’re searching for a definitive answer to which there is none. Train with sufficient volume within 6-20 sets and auto regulate within there or under or over, see how you go.
I might be talking out of my depth here, but I think a shift of training philosophy occurred within RP. I think they're leaning a lot more on auto regulation now, maybe due to results seen from the data collected through the app (which uses a lot of auto regulation). I hypothesize that they're gonna publish a big ass paper analyzing their results in the future.
@@therogueserafim271 their older templates used RPE and autoregulation too, it ws just in an excel sheet rather than an app. I do think you are probably right about the data collection through the app though, or at least you should be as that seems like a great resource having so many training logs digitzed.
@@elpresidente1990 it provided several ranges for volume. Was very helpful to see the different sets per week for each muscle group. Additionally, I used it to find new exercises since they all had links to form videos. Just not sure why you would remove a helpful page, unless it is now behind a pay wall.
I deployed with a guy who had the EXACT same demeanor of these two. He was also 20 and jacked to the ceiling. He was able to get his roids in country in a rather slick way and had a medium ruck half full of the shit. We referred to gim as "Roiiiids" in the old "droid" moniker. He went cold turkey when the commander joked about piss testing everyone for roids (he did roids himself). Dude started hallucinating, waking up screaming, and had moments of random sadness. The guy was a danger to the mission with his demeanor and mindset, so I didn't care at all when they pulled him off mission and restricted him to base duty 😂.
Hey Dr. Mike, I was wondering about whether breaking up exercises for a muscle group is beneficial or not. That is, if I'm going to perform dumbbell press, pec deck, and calf raises, is it better for pec growth to put the calf raises in between the chest exercises.
It depends on your goal, but imo Pec deck immediately before db press as a superset for a sickening pissening pump + more growth stimulus (& calf raises always obligatorily tacked on at the end of leg day because they’re easy)
Well, seems to me that different motions are involved in a bench press or a peck deck machine. So, no problem with one right after the other. But maybe calf raises in between sets would allow time for your arms to rest so they'll be ready for the next exercise.
Dr. Mike ! Love your vids bro. This vids 6 months old now, got an amazing coach and monthly blood work. Definitely made some mistakes early on but the bros are learning to body build semi healthier😂
real
Love the reference to cyberpsychosis 😂😂😂
That's good y'all. Stay safe with the shit. Good luck guys
Collab with dr mike pls
You guys seem like the funniest Bodybuilding twins since the legendary barbarians....stay grounded dudes
The test of 5 men, the testicles of a first trimester fetus.
And the height of a kid in kindergarden
@@11valdanothey look 6’ bro 😪
@@peterk.2108 they're 5'7"
@@peterk.2108 They're what I would call victim height lol
😅😅😅😅😅
"We're in the gym now to make caucasian women in their 40s upset." is a line I may use in the future.
KARENS 🗣️
See, i go to the gym to pick up 40yo women🤔
Karen Joke is so old at this point
@@LUKA_911Karen jokes never get old
@@Hedgeflexlfzrelax Karen
The most scientific explanation of using gear. 😂 “it’s like cyberpunk”
it was a lightbulb moment for me. "oh. OH! thats what this is about, these dudes think they need all this to disguise being DnD nerds". honestly when i say it out loud i just feel stupid for taking so long to see it.
cyberpunk is not DnD. i mean maybe it is. but they are talking about cyberpunk the video game
@@VestigeFinder The original Cyberpunk 2020 was a tabletop RPG, made in 1988
They’re definitely referencing the newest anime- which is sorta in the same wheelhouse
@@DuBstep115and that is with absolute certitude not the cyberpunk they were referencing 😂
MOG and AMOG… Dr. Mike, thanks for breaking it down for us 50 yr olds.
I'm 21 and I've heard the term a lot but didn't know that's what it meant lol
I am the OMOG. Old man of the group 😂😂😂
Some phrases are just not to be said even if they are popular lol. They just don't sound good in a sentence like the phrase cray cray 🤦
@@jackedbyjade that's cray cray talk
Decades ago in the 'Pickup' community, I saw it used as Alpha Male Other Guy.
That is, competition from a Chad who might get in the way of a PUA working his game.
I love Dr Mike's conclusion on the Tren Twin's steroid screw-ups which is basically "You guys are lovable idiots, but I'm glad you guys are aware and are telling people not to make the same mistakes"
Dr Mike explained the side effects perfectly with the anxiety, bad decision making, impulsiveness and mood swings.. people don't often talk about those particular side effects but they're real
@@justwannabehappy6735liver failure isn’t serious😂
@@justwannabehappy6735 I’m joking. With all the sarcasm and stupidity today, it is hard to tell if anyone’s serious or not.
I know this is old asf but Im high and gotta ask. What happens if someone with BPD who already has many of those symptoms takes it? Does it intensify the symptoms or cancel them out, like with ADHD and adderall for example?
@@kadenk9298Intensify
I ran a personal training company in Connecticut in the early 2000s and there were so many guys just like this. Its so funny to see that nothing has changed
Juice baby 💉
Stupid remains incurable.
Yeah and what happened to those guys. I bet for most nothing good
@@michaelderenne9838 When you start with an IQ in the low single digits I doubt much good was going to happen for them anyways
@1x0x Hopefully NOT. 😮
LMAO. this is great. someone commented on their vids about how they'd get mauled by a grappler and they went nuts talking about how they'd hit the grappler with a 45 plate and that they would just bench the guy off them, LOL.
I love the part when the tren twins said "It's trenning time" and proceed to tren all over the gym
I love this template 😂
Actually made me laugh out loud at the gym
Bruh... 🤘😄
5 months late but the best part is this is something they would say
This had no right to make me laugh as hard as it did
Tren twins voice is the personification of everything bro science 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Like you know…. Love to see those D baggers in 10 years.
Guy's watched Dom Mazetti's videos and thought they were documentaries.
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Mike, I wish there were more videos that examine lifting for individuals with labor intensive jobs i.e. climbing ladders, repetitive lifting and motions and how that correlates to joint longevity and intensity while lifting/recovery. Its easier to program with an office job, but a landscaper that walks 20 miles a day and on their feet definitely effects a solid leg day. Would really appreciate your insights on the topic 💪
This would be a great idea! Much needed
Exactly this, it helps if i go in before work but that usually leave me gassed for the rest of the day and after work is even worse cause all i want to do is go home
A landscaper walks 7 hours a day? Leaves little time for landscaping?
@Rockardo_ for sure, most construction workers work 10-12 hour days, hard to find the balance for optimization
@m4yd0g yes, when a guy is string trimming around the entire house, edging, blowing, 20-25 properties it's a ton of walking. Plenty of people show their step trackers, it's nuts
These tren twin review videos are gold
I can’t believe Dr. Mike is the one who taught me what mog means
Its amazing how so many people who are into fitness that are absolutely unhealthy.
Bodybuilding isn’t fitness.
Yeah bodybuilding almost an extreme sport. To me fitness is my 89 year old tank of a grandma who’s not had any health complications and as strong as a bull. And still tending to her massive 4 acre garden.
I definitely have more stamina since doing weights.
Its about abuse of hormones they're talking about @@dbank6107
@@CorGP
It is as long as you aren't on gear. Muscle mass, not strength, is the main contributing factor to avoiding arthritis as you get older
Dan Duchaine was one of the funniest guys in the industry. The Underground Steroid Handbook was fantastic. RIP.
It was useless. Zero accuracy in that book and responsible for bro science on gear. I'll be doing my thesis hopefully in the future on androgen toxicity and his book my go to reference for what NOT to do. Tren is 5 x stronger than testosterone LMAOOO
@@jimmy4993Cohld you post your thesis somewhere or make it available to be accessed online somewhere?
MOG is a little bat guy from Final Fantasy
David Mech retracted his theory of Alpha wolves in 1999 when he realized that his initial assertion was incorrect. Culturally, we can't seem to deal with the fact that the man who popularized the theory of the "Alpha Wolf" said he was wrong, and we keep using it anyway.
That's because it's a great tool to make sad little men buy a bunch of shit they don't need, like courses on how to be an alpha and shit like that
all I'm reading here is wolves are pussies and alpha dudes rock
Meanings and language evolve. We say a lot of things in English that aren't correct but it's accepted in common speech and everyone knows what it means.
@@snowbear163 so if it's a concept that doesn't exist, what does it mean colloquially then?
@@BigBADSTUFF69 Eh, it actually is a concept that exists. It's the structure that occurs when you force wolves into an abnormal/unnatural/synthetic pack. He retracted his theory specifically because of that fact, he supposed that the "alpha-beta" structure was how natural packs formed and how the hierarchy broke down in nature, but it only looked like that because real wolf packs are a mother-father-pups unit, with the mother and father at the top, and instead of studying that they just forced a bunch of wolves who were strangers to one another together and... they didn't like that. Bad conclusions were drawn, and then they realized that the experiment was shitty (as far as fulfilling its original goal goes, it was still a good experiment if you wanted to study what would happen if you forced unrelated wolves to live amongst each other).
I wish Dr Mike could do one or several videos on "training after 40", "training for family-men with limited time" or "how to preserve your joints while training". I'm 43, trying to get back in shape but used joints can really slow you down.
He's done a few.
Hey Dr. Mike, I discovered your channel ~2 ½ years ago, and your straightforward, evidence-supported content has proven to be the most effective fitness blueprint ever for me. I’ve been lifting for a decade. Before stumbling into RP, I was a SixPackShortcuts disciple turned Athlean- X weenie. I trained to failure constantly, my idea of overload was switching between gimmicky circus trick workouts on a weekly basis, and I spent a non-negligible amount of time trying to recomp, effectively staying in body purgatory. It got to the point where I sincerely believed I was one of those genetically-doomed chodes whose total muscle gain couldn’t amount to more than ~15 lbs.
In fewer than three years of following RP’s training and nutrition guidelines, I’ve lost more body fat and gained more muscle than I had in the previous six. My only complaint is that you hadn’t started dropping these nuggets of knowledge/gaining traction earlier on in my fitness journey!
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sounds awesome, thx for the reassurance lol
shill
You've been chatting these guys up for ages and they've finally given you a date.
Those two fellas are a rough watch on UA-cam... after about 5 minutes, my brain implodes, then proceeds to dribble out of my ears.
Man, what happened to natural lifters? Everywhere you look, there's an influencer, roided out of his mind, giving you "advice". At least these dudes are honest about it.
They went away when humanity found out about dbol etc.
They still exist just gotta look for them. Natural Hypertrophy, GVS, Alan Thrall etc they’re out and about, They just aren't as popular
Like the guy above me said you gotta find them and to add some more to the list check out Sean nalewanyj, natty life, Will Tennyson and..... that's that's I can remember for now.
Nothing happened to them. There are tons of them.
Dude our environment and food supply is literally poisoning us and nuking our test. And then when you try to fix that with a little bit of roids all of a sudden you're the bad guy. Just think of what could have been had you grown up under ideal conditions and had gotten the correct nutrition from birth and avoided all the poisons of modernity.
I'd love to see Dr. Mike react to Will Tennyson's latest video, in which Matt the biohack trainer sells Will on some pretty questionable training and recovery methods. They make some pretty bold claims and provide some pretty hand-wavey explanations.
Tries to sell is a more accurate statement. You can tell when Will detected 100% bullshit and when he didn't (the crazy slow rep machine thing).
I was thinking about Dr. Mike the whole time during that video. I'm sure he will tear it apart.
@@matthewsinclair507same here
@@mitchellsteindler the crazy slow rep machine, will said that was the biggest chest pump of his entire life! so i dont follow your comment?
@ActivateTrueHealth correct, you don't follow my comment. But I see how it could have been confusing. He did not see bullshit in the crazy slow reps machine.
They're being honest, fantastic. But steroid use has gone through the roof in the young generations due to goons like these guys.
@@justwannabehappy6735 yup... Yet so many people watch in awe even when Sam is out of breath trying to speak, lol ... Dude's gonna go belly up any day now; whether now or 10 years
The cyberpunk references absolutely destroyed me and then Mike knowing about cyberpsychosis was a cherry on top
no, he absolutely didn't get it - "what's chrome?"
@@RafaelBirknerwhat a gonk
Lol, I think Doctor Mike was focused on the Psychosis part.
My favorite channel I can't watch when mom's in the room!
Please do a collab with Bugez, would love to see you combine training styles
Dr. Mike’s sarcasm is gold-plated here, absolutely owning these goofy twins ✨😁💀
8:47 "Don't use steroids until you have your training, your diet, and everything really squared away..."
Better tip: Don't use steroids. Full stop.
Lmfao at natty life
@@sundvallendudes like you make me laugh. I’ve used roids and I was deluded and thought I was like, ascended past normies and everyone was jealous.
Nope, you realise you come across as really insecure and it means nothing if you don’t have a good job or other things that give you status
You are either chad or not, if you have a bad jawline, steroids don’t help
@sundvallen Lmfao at your early funeral
Lmfao at your low IQ, NEXT@@jonsmith3776
I’m 46 years old. Been lifting for 30 years. I won’t judge anyone who uses steroids, but if you still want to be a healthy lifter into your 40s and 50s, get off the gear.
A lot of people especially young ones don't want to train for 7-10 years to look like a laziest working PEDs user. Natural lifting for looks hurts af. Lifting for performance however is much more sustainable.
It is a drug that will kill you.
Dr Mike vs MPMD? Can't deal with parents fighting like this
I could listen to you all day mike, very soothing voice. No diddy
Calling the tren twins Chaldean was fucking hilarious 🤣
Trained for 25 years , my gains never disappear and I’ve never taken and will never take steroids
Sometimes I wish I was on roids, I get tempted, then I rewatch the side effects, and yup it's always enough for me to stay natural. I started training seriously around 2014, and a lot of gym influencers from that era had issues or are dead, Rich Piana is dead, Kali muscle had a stroke, Von Mogger attempted suicide and that other dude went crazy... What the heck? Those Sulek, tren bros kids are going to be cooked by their 30s top...
Also, I like my balls, not having tits, and having a functioning heart.
I have been Bodybuilding for 35 years. My biggest piss-off is when the young guys come to you for advice and when you tell them how much you took, and how much time you were off between cycles (NOT CRUISING) they think you are a liar and they do the same bullshit we told them not to. Jump forward five years same person, they gained fifty pounds over that time and now off gear for whatever reason they shank back to the size they were when they asked for your advice five years ago, and you are still jacked and haven't cycled in five years.
Holy shit i cant imagine taking gear and then going off and losing your gains anyway. Must be heartbreaking knowing you did that to your body and couldnt even keep what you were supposed to gain from it 💀
@@Thleta I see that alot where I work. Usually they just hop on gear and don't even bother researching the stuff like OK this that this that done but how about I add one thing more then after a cycle they still working out but for some reason nothing happens anymore and they get discouraged coz they are looking for that ultra fast growth and it doesn't happen anymore and some of em stops working out coz depressed since the cycle is done so they are recovering from all the gear they took so that's a good time for weeks and most of these guys don't even understand it's the gear making them think that way.
But some of them just resume doing another cycle too early and then and there a GYM BRO is born always on gear always losing his mind till his heart reminds him that it's time to pay taxes with a stroke. Ignorance is bad, if you are gonna do gear do your do diligence and study up so you don't get blind sided once you are showing behavioural changes that affects your decision making big time so you don't end up on a spiral to the void due to bad decisions brought to you by gear and that's a very nasty cycle.
@@BaconManBruhhow many dudes have you seen die from this theory of yours?
It also could have been other stressors in life that lead to that. But at the same time, it’s hard to comment because idk what these dudes were running or for how long.
Duchaine isn’t in social media - he actually died before it even existed. For this tiktok fitness geberation it’s like prehistorical past…
That was painful to listen to even in short bursts. God help zoomers if that's what they watch.
Like listening to two drunks.
@@Pile_of_carbon Like two developmentally disabled drunks.
I lost 50 IQ points halfway through.
@@johndoiron9615 That's more than they have combined.
They are watching that and worse.
Tren Twins? True Darwinism at work.
Yup, unlikely any of them will reproduce.
Trennies?
Their name is a joke, they’re doing things reasonably intelligently after making some stupid decisions early on
The Michigan collab we all need! 🙌🏼
Dr. Mike shouts out Chaldeans, who would've thought, as a chaldean I would not like to be associated with these two 🤣🤣
Nebuchadnezzar has entered the chat.
Dr. Mike shouting out Chaldeans always gets me going lol
What other videos does he talk about Chaldeans?
4:24
That line was gold:
"Steroids are like the American dream...it's all fun and games 'til you gotta pay taxes. "
😂
i mean dr. mike has some patience my brain hurts watching them spout out words its like they actually take time to process simple sentences
I’m cracking up watching this 😅 “it’s all fun and games until you have to pay taxes” 😭😭😭
One of these guys are probably gonna pass away early and the other will be all sad and still probably continue to do drugs and say dumb shit. Until he hits 40 and he looks two steps from death, he’s divorced, and his views are dwindling towards zero. Then he’ll finally get a job as a stocker at Wal-Mart
Well civilization will be falling apart at that point so that's probably the least of his concerns
Pretty sure these guys are playing it up for the camera, but fuck if I know
They're multi millionaires, I think they won't be working a 9-5 ever.
Love your videos Dr. Mike I consider you a friend even though we'll never actually meet. But you're videos have helped me evolve my lifting and my I enjoy the results I'm seeing.
Please do more on PED related content.
It's good that almost everyone who gets juiced up warns others against it. I think it's a better position to be in where people ask me if I'm on the juice and I say of course not - What a nice compliment! Rather than being roided out and having people ask if you're natty for not - That question must hurt PED heads. All those needles, blood work, and organ damage, and it's still not obvious that you're enhanced?!
A lot of steroid users seem to perpetuate the dangerous myth that steroids don't do that much for you physically though. Schwarzenegger said they gave him an additional 5%, Dr Mike and the Tren twins say they aren't magic pills. They're literally given to bed bound patients who have gone through cancer treatment or severe physical trauma such as burn victims to help them put on lean mass. They are fucking magic pills. If they did very little why would anyone take them in the first place? Why would they risk their long term physical and mental health for tiny gains?
Most people overestimate what's possible naturally though
@@shane_rm1025 I think that Steve Reeves had their most aesthetic physique of all time, and he was natural. Obviously he was truly gifted, but I think everyone can achieve great results naturally if they eat and train properly.
@@TheLukeMcknightlmao my dad was (and is) jacked as fuck 6’2 240 18-19 inch arms fucking crazy, and I asked him if he took steroids and his response was “no I did used to snort crank and workout though” 😂
@TheLukeMcknight Well if you listen to Mike its totally fine to do steroids if you've been lifting for a while and you're 25+.
Garbage advice, but i guess its better to absorb tren twins viewers for more $ than to piss them off
I like the car analogy, or at least an engine analogy. The engine at pristine, regular pressures can operate a long time at max power and do things to stay healthy/strong. Or you can bore cylinders, increase compression, change timing, etc. to pull more power out but the engine won't last as long.
So little story, had 3 separate guys casually discuss taking steroids this week in the gym, all 3 are in their early 20s and started taking it when they were 16 for football
'look how big we are... but don't do steroids!'
The reasom he needs steroids is because he is not the AMOG. He will keep trying to be until he dies.
Thank you for posting these I listen every day while I work out blessings
Listening to these guys speak, jesus its like a walking case study of the neurotoxicity of tren
i'm super anti steroid for myself. I think it's pinnacle of self absorbed vanity. But the Tren Twins are so transparent and honestly hilarious i can't help but like them lolol
🤓 snort i think it’s pinnacle of self absorbed vanity LMFAOOOOO Dakota fucking rivers shares his deep moral thoughts on steroids. Shut up
They’re the epitome of douche bags
And yet they age horribly and fast ...
It doesn't look good.
In my opinion, the whole thing - the way it messes with your hormones, the effects on heart, brain, hair, the need for control, the idea that you can't get big enough, the need to kind of shock people, the obsession , the dying in middle age... it's far more akin to anorexia...
What baffles me is that whilst one is seen as a mental illness; the other is seen as "goals"... I can never decide whether it's worse that we encourage, or at least allow, (primarily) men in this field to slowly destroy themselves; or whether it's worse that we don't stop them or seem to care...
One thing I'm fairly sure of though, it's not just vanity. There's a whole lot of insecurity and low self esteem built in there too.
How do you feel about older dudes who micro dose?
@@imjustsam1745 are you asking me? HRT, with the support of blood tests etc is fine for both men and women. But I definitely wasn't referring to replacement dosing.
It's sad to see kids get caught up like this. I've been in this game responsibly for over 5 decades. I've seen dummies like these two come and go and it never ends well.
They remind me of the Barbarian Twins. 30 years later one is dead and the other looks like shyt. Ask the survivor if it was worth it.
I'm all for physical enhancement with an edge if it's done correctly and under doctors supervision. I get blood tests every month. I'm monitored by 4 doctors and it's worked well for me. I'm 62 and am often mistaken for 40. In fact I had one endocrinologist warn me that I might have problems later in life after looking at my chart, seeing what I'm taking.
My response was, when is later in life? Do you realize In in my sixties with more year's behind me than ahead of me? She almost fell off of her chair in shock. Thinking I was 39 or 40! 🤣
Did she not read your chart? How can you trust a medical professional that doesn't even know how old her patient is? I think you're making this up.
You expect us to believe a Physician mistook your age? C'mon man.
Commentators..Not all people who work in healthcare look at all your health info... do you think they're extra special beyond retail workers just bcus it's a medical profession? I work in healthcare. NOT EVERY "DOCTOR" READS YOUR INFO
Yeah doctors should probably know their patients basic information. This doesn't sway me at all and if you are being honest then you work with some extremely terrible doctors.@@ihouseu3340
@ihouseu3340 Well, no wonder trusts you guys.
YOOOOOO! Chaldeans represent! I'm shocked Dr. Mike knows about us.
Right!
Love your work Dr. Mike. I recently watched the video where you explain what muscles I need to look big. I loved that video.
😂😂😂
32 and started a cycle of low level deca. Helped my joints feel freaking amazing.
And when you come off shot
Deca on it's own?
The test of 5 men, the personality of a 16 year old
I wouldn't drink water based on the recommendations of these intellectual juggernauts
I respect for these guys went way up after seing this. Good information
“As always, me and Joey gonna grab a slice post workout”
-Mikey’s subconscious
I would love a reaction/critique video regarding Will Tennyson's new one (or something similar) regarding biohacking for muscle growth/recovery. As a scientist (a structural biologist who admittedly is unfamiliar with the current state of the athletic science literature), that stuff always feels like bunk, but I know plenty of people will (and do) buy into it.
Ah! Just saw another comment that brought it up. Anyway, enjoyed this video!
Will Tennyson doesn’t even look like he lifts
@@CathyBojould Ha, perhaps! But I'd argue he's tangentially relevant to the channel since they did a collab. I also think that whether him looking like he lifts or not isn't relevant to my comment
@@CathyBojould Frequently doing weird eating and training challenges hasn't done wonders for his physique
Dr. Mike is down to clown every video. I fkn love it.
Dan Duchaine simply passed the needle to MPMD haha a new era 👌🏼
Steroids by themselves actually DO increase muscle protein synthesis, more than an average natty training, but training + roids have a much greater effect
As a 36 year old female seeing 20 year olds that jacked is weird. Like I want to feel attraction but then they still look like kids to me so I’m just weirded out by it 😂 But I love everyone’s honesty 👍🏻 Now if only females would get honest.
What should females get honest about?
@@johncalla2151 I guess she's referring to the fact that lots of women take PED's too. Not to mention cosmetic surgeries like butt lifts etc. They call it "hard work at the gym" when in reality a lot of it can be fake.
Do you like grey haired men with big gym muscles?
Day 9 realizing that DR Mike and Vince vaugn have the same voice and you can imagine Vince vaugn talking Dr Mike’s words and it makes the show even better.
Dang, Dr. Mike gets me laughting out loud everytime he does the New Jersey accent! HEY MICKEY!
I have read a study that men that didn't work out and took steroids gained more muscle than people who worked out and didn't take steroids. I think it was short term, though.
Theres alot of problems with that study though. Once you hop off you lose all the gains. And that also happens to guys that never lift, they gain muscle while on gear, but you have to be eating right.
That was 600mg of testosterone study.
Which is why it's so important to workout!
Even if it's just doing a bunch of pushups and pull ups. It helps
Nippard do show studies that even people who didnt train put on muscle though, so its still a big start with minimal effort required
Link video
Yeah, that was a pretty incredible result. It's why so many bodybuilders find it hard to resist using anabolic steroids.
oh! Love the reference to Dan Duchaine!! What a legend!
Take a shot of liquor every time they say “Bro”. Better buy a distillery.
Yo Dr. Mike. I'm really confused about something. You and others seem to know alot and care alot about your health, but you take steroids knowing it's terrible for your health. Why?
Why did I get drunk at a party? Because it's fun. Why does Mike take steroids? Because he wants to be huge. I guess he's dancing on the edge , I think his wife is a normal doc? I guess given both ain't great for Your organs... people get away with a drinking habit for 20+ years if it doesn't escalate. Some do. Others don't. To me it looks Mike has somewhat clubbed fingernails . Or so it seems from here . Not sure how serious a sign it is but it's not good, related to heart or kidney issues.
Because everything exists on a spectrum. There are intelligent ways to take steroids where health detriment can, in some people, be almost eliminated.
They weren't taking tren back then, but now they do, they talked about doses in one of more recent videos, clearly lots of roid rage lately including black eye accidental fight.
I may or may not have pissed my pants laughing during this video 😁
Dr. Mike you should have these guys come in to RP and train. That would be glorious lol
I love you for that, Mike. I love that you questioned Derek's character and his validity as "God Father of Steriods". Ive had nothing but unpleasant experiences with Derek, he only cares about your follower #s, then he'll be 'humble'.
Hes very open about his steroid use and knowledgeable on the subject. That doesn't make him a great person
Review more plates more dates
At last: a video about what really gets results at the gym.
Everything I wouldn’t my son to be, these 2
How come you removed the hypertrophy training guide from your website? It had recommended weekly sets and exercises for every muscle group and was very helpful
Because it’s useless. It was a good guide, but it’s only helpful to you because you’re searching for a definitive answer to which there is none.
Train with sufficient volume within 6-20 sets and auto regulate within there or under or over, see how you go.
I might be talking out of my depth here, but I think a shift of training philosophy occurred within RP.
I think they're leaning a lot more on auto regulation now, maybe due to results seen from the data collected through the app (which uses a lot of auto regulation).
I hypothesize that they're gonna publish a big ass paper analyzing their results in the future.
@@therogueserafim271 their older templates used RPE and autoregulation too, it ws just in an excel sheet rather than an app. I do think you are probably right about the data collection through the app though, or at least you should be as that seems like a great resource having so many training logs digitzed.
@@elpresidente1990 it provided several ranges for volume. Was very helpful to see the different sets per week for each muscle group. Additionally, I used it to find new exercises since they all had links to form videos. Just not sure why you would remove a helpful page, unless it is now behind a pay wall.
Shout out to Dr. Mike for shouting out Chaldeans!!
I think I lose brain cells every time the Tren Twins speak… anyway great vid!
Every time Dr. Mike does a Jersey accent a hard-working bodybuilder gets a day free from DOMS.
Roids giving cyberpsychosis is actually spot on and funny😂😂😂
it's actually the analogy that Mike Pondsmith gave for the concept when he was originally writing the setting
My test levels went up while watching this. Tests don't lie.
Man the shout out to Dan Duchaine... haven't thought about him in a long time. Used to read MM2K back in the day.
The only videos I watch about twins are the ones in onlyfans
cringe
@@eventhorizon7234you are just jealous of my PRINCE status.
Hilarious, you jerk off.
Don't think i've ever been this early
U r premature so ..
As Jocko is for military, there is dr. Mike for gym bros. Love it.
NATTY ACCOLADES ahahaha dying. Doc, you're so funny love your channel man, teach me so much.
Those 2 are the biggest example of false confidence i have ever seen.
I'd be confident too if I had another me telling me I'm awesome
Lol jealous
The problem with beeing big is that they believe they can fight. A 150 pound fighter would mop the floor with his face.
one of the great joys of the pre weight class mma era
Lol no
“Folks google Dan duchaine “ oh, I remember those days 😂
I deployed with a guy who had the EXACT same demeanor of these two. He was also 20 and jacked to the ceiling. He was able to get his roids in country in a rather slick way and had a medium ruck half full of the shit. We referred to gim as "Roiiiids" in the old "droid" moniker. He went cold turkey when the commander joked about piss testing everyone for roids (he did roids himself). Dude started hallucinating, waking up screaming, and had moments of random sadness. The guy was a danger to the mission with his demeanor and mindset, so I didn't care at all when they pulled him off mission and restricted him to base duty 😂.
Hey Dr. Mike, I was wondering about whether breaking up exercises for a muscle group is beneficial or not. That is, if I'm going to perform dumbbell press, pec deck, and calf raises, is it better for pec growth to put the calf raises in between the chest exercises.
You should try training your legs with a set of bench press instead
No
It depends on your goal, but imo Pec deck immediately before db press as a superset for a sickening pissening pump + more growth stimulus (& calf raises always obligatorily tacked on at the end of leg day because they’re easy)
Well, seems to me that different motions are involved in a bench press or a peck deck machine. So, no problem with one right after the other. But maybe calf raises in between sets would allow time for your arms to rest so they'll be ready for the next exercise.
Just go lift. You're over thinking
Sad state of mind when you’re think like a child and you’re 22.