What ever it means - it gives clear distinction between who to cut and who to keep during layoffs. The longer the recession goes on the more people will be begging for work ANY WORK. Many company’s will cease to exist in the next 3-5 years.
Dude. Start up trauma is SO REAL. And the job market anxiety… ugh man. Know you’re not alone in this. I also had a similar situation. A target of politics, a narrative formed to get me out of the team. Shit happens in leaner, rapid growing companies. But it’s all for the best. Know you’re not alone!
When I joined a start-up, I couldn't believe how bad the company politics were...maybe even worse than corporate!! 😭 So glad you can relate (except the start-up i worked for was going to sh*t lol)!!!! Thank you for watching and subscribing. 😊💕
Or when your co-workers doing THE EXACT SAME TASKS - or sometimes less - and to a lower standard, have somehow privately "negotiated" better pay than you get. And management don't come to you to offer the same thing or even tell you it was possible. In some cases this "negotiation" led to literally double what I was on. These people keep coming to me with basic questions because "you're so experienced" and "I don't know how to do that" but are somehow being paid more than me. Get rekt. Happened to me at a previous gig. I found out, quit (their reasoning for offering random people more money did NOT stack up or convince me) and was later told by a former colleague that they were now huffing and puffing because certain things were taking forever and not being done as well as I did them. You didn't want to pay for that, so screw you. You made your choice and I sure as anything made mine.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 no way!! I’m so sorry that happened to you and I’m holed you’re out of that space now. They are so messed up for doing that. 😭 Thank you for sharing your experience and watching my video! 💜😊
I totally feel the same way. To get laid off, work your butt off to potentially join another toxic company to potentially get laid off again. Sorry this happened to you, and I too don’t have a solution, but just wanna say I also feel the same way as you 😢
I know! Work place trauma is REAL. I’m scared to look for another job because I don’t want to be in a similar situation again! 😭 Thank you for sharing your story and good luck. We’re in it together. 💜✨😊
Definitely a red flag when a ton of people are quitting. I too quit a startup and left equity on the table. It was too toxic. I happened to work for free upfront because I wanted to see them win. I walked away at a promising time, but it wasn't worth my soul. Fast forward, I am building my own company and being extremely thoughtful about people who come in. We won't have these problems because we are being mindful of how we hire but centering the beginning around values. It's hard to change culture later; it starts at the beginning...a no toxicity zone has to be declared.
I feel you on the first part. I wasn't being paid much money but I believed in what I later found out was an unstable product and horrible founders. 😩 Congrats on building your own company! You're going to be a great leader. Founders who have experience working at a start-up or smaller companies create some of the best employee cultures. Thank you for watching and sharing your experience. You're going to do great!!🤞 😊💜
Thank you for sharing your experience! Congrats that you were able to part ways with your former employer the way you wanted. Your feeling of being lost is definitely not alone. I think most of the jobs are not advertised accurately and also it is hard to truly understand any career path without actually getting into the mud. I'm working a full time job right now, but still feel a similar sense of loss from time to time. I'm planning on taking some time off to do some serious reflection once my current contract ends. I think recognizing our own feelings and the need to reflect is a good and healthy thing for our career and life. Fear is normal and healthy as long as you don't let it stop you from taking actions for growth. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you! Best wishes❤
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and encouraging message! It means a lot. I completely resonate with your perspective, and you're absolutely right-navigating the professional landscape can be a challenging journey. It's reassuring to know that others share similar feelings, even in the midst of a full-time job. Taking the time for reflection is indeed a valuable and healthy step towards personal and professional growth. Your support and understanding are truly appreciated. Best wishes to you as well, and I'm excited to share more of my journey with you! 😊💜✨
Try doing Contract and not in a Customer Success role if possible. I left start ups a long time ago. Its a good place to get overworked and they often have poor management. It seems you have technical skills so move toward that.
No worries... Get a good recruiter and you will have lots of offers. Take a few weeks off to decompress then let the recruiter do the heavy lifting while you also look.. I used to hire a lot of tech workers.... @@TechSav18
I love Tech but the people in the industry can be so mean. 😪 I'm trying to move into a different industry as well! 🙌 Thank you for sharing and I hope that you find a better opportunity soon. We got this. 🤞💜✨
Tech is not easy, it changed drastically in last 10 year's I started career in tech around 2013 I have masters moved to US, from India worked in France, Switzerland, Germany companies are expecting people with full skillet something like fullstack, My uncle who moved to US 15 years back changed 25 jobs lol it's normal in tech don't giveup..
I’m so sorry this happened to you. It is unfortunate and unacceptable that openly disrespectful behavior, scape goating, gaslighting etc., towards employees is tolerated and this is more pervasive with smaller companies. No one deserves abuse and I’m so sorry that you were put in a bad situation. Emotional abuse and bullying is traumatizing no matter what environment you are in, workplace, internet (trolling), home, school. Sending you great vibes, your experiences and feelings are valid, and you seem like an awesome person. So much courage and grit to share your story and put yourself out there! 💖
The world is your oyster fr!! :) I agree w the last point especially .. tech is soo self involved sometimes its easy to forget theres sm more out there
You're going to get inappropriate, un-constructive, and nasty comments on UA-cam. It's not you, it's just how some people are. The ironic thing I've learned for my own channel is that if it's not completely over the top, a lot of times I just let the comment stand - it actually adds to your metrics. Just keep going, eventually you'll not worry about them and be happy about everything you're doing.
You're so right. It's been a year since I've been posting consistently and I think I'm just getting the hang of receiving hate comments. I need to keep thinking "it's for the engagement" 😅. Thank you for sharing. 💜
You look very young and I am old and have worked in tech all my life. Big companies are often better because things are not so personal and things are handled more professionally. I have worked in four startups during my years one was wonderful the other three was terrible with all the red flags you mentioned. Big companies can change over time and the job can become boring but still you have your salary. Hope you find your dream job! ❤️
I agree, for every 10 start ups, there is 1 good one. I think my next opportunity will be at a bigger organization for sure!! Thank you so much for your kind words of wisdom and watch my video. 😊💕
I'm from Canada and I finished a 3 year program to work in tech but the job market is very weird. I obviously finished at the worst time. 😅 What was your role at that company?
I was a Customer success manager ! There isn’t much job opportunities in Canada which is why I had to look for them in the states!! Good luck on your job hunt. You’re gonna do great. 💕
I can relate to every single word, the difference is that I never worked in tech field. So you're definitely not the only one feeling like this. Got layed off, I stayed 5 months in fear as I just felt rhat I have nk escape. All the companies are the same and I will se the same bullshit no matter where I go. Bit I just removed those thoughts, I learn to think simple and live simple and I just felt peace. God bless you!😊
Thank you for sharing your story and I’m so sorry that happened to you too. I was living in fear for a few months as well. It felt like I was fighting for my life. Nothing I did was good enough. I was replaced 2 days later by their friend. Just know that you’re in a better place now and you will find an amazing opportunity soon! Good luck. 💕😊
Sounds like a company that offered a bull$hit product that is only viable during times of easy money. Once the downturn happens these type of services are the first to go.
I'm sorry this happened to you. I just got laid off from my startup the end of October. I'm in the same boat where I don't want to work at another startup only to get laid off again rinse and repeat and employers look down on you if you have resume gaps, which is ridiculous but the reality right now. I think I'm going to focus on less volatile startups (Series A) and avoid pre-seed if I can. The pre-seed ones are where I've worked and experienced layoffs because their funding is so unpredictable.
I'm so sorry about your situation and I can completely relate. It sucks that these HRs are very bias towards career gaps.😫 The best case scenario is to work at a corporate company but they aren't hiring right now!! 😭 Thank you for commenting and watching the video. Hopefully, this lay-off cycle will blow over soon and an amazing opportunity comes our way. 💜✨
I love coding. I do Leetcode like playing a video game. However, the Software development environment is sooooo toxic. My first SE job was at a big Fortune 500. I applied for junior but had no idea why I was T3 and a month later I needed to deal with 24/7 on-call. I got laid off around March and now I am in school about AWS. I felt like we all had the same feeling right now. So, the only advice for all of us who getting layoff and feel lost is............... don't think too much. Do and think of things that you can control, such as how many Leetcode questions per day, and how many hours should study per day.......Life is hard but will get better
I agree, the tech industry is SOOOOO toxic. 😭 I love your advice about how we should focus on things we can control and not on the things we can't...it's definately a mindset I need to practice. 😅 Thank you so much for sharing your story and your advice. I appreciate your support for the channel and I hope to see you more in the comment section!! We got this. 😊🤞💜
I hate coding with a passion bro but I do it cos I have to. lol target big companies. stop making apps and websites for cheapskates. Im sick of it personally. We Indian people worldwide want the world for peanuts and dont respect each other when we demand proper payment, we exploit each other that needs to stop lol Sorry not you alex, im talking about my own people. Anyhoo, yeah man... do what you gotta do bruh.
Ohhh nooo! Quiet quitting means that I do my responsibilities and don’t go work beyond my hours/job description without pay. I got fired for that and they gave me severance/employment insurance! If I quit, I wouldn’t have gotten those benefits!! ☺️💕
What you have described is called "constructive dismissal" and where I live it is VERY illegal - however the challenge lies in being able to convince an employment judge that it a) happened and b) was a deliberate choice by the employer. But if you can, great job.
@@TechSav18 Actually, I was there for 18 months, and I was let go in June 2014, nine years ago. My ego really took a hit, and I'm still recovering from it.
@@cateclism316 oh sorry, I read that wrong! Haha don’t let it hurt your ego!! You are a stronger and better person today because of that experience. ☺️
Oh Yes!!!! I know for a fact that The Health Care Industry including such places as Hospitals, Drug Companies, and Doctor Offices STILL NEED people with computer and software engineering skills. Perhaps, you should consider looking at opportunities in this particular field of work as well. It has been my experience that when we experience disagreement and setbacks, BETTER OPPORTUNITIES PRESENT THEMSELVES!!!!
Before you quiet quit...shouldn't you have something else lined up? Sounds like you just got lazy....if you hate your job and see a lot of red flags, don't give/wait for them to find a reason to hate you, start applying.
Great question! That’s very quick of you to assume I wasn’t applying to jobs. I was fired for quiet quitting. Since I was fired, I get employment insurance for several years. Next time, I recommend you don’t assume things! Thank you for watching and commenting. ☺️💕
What happened to you is unfortunate, my very first work experience was horrible too , I was fresh out from the school , an during those 3 months probation period , I had a taste of everything an employer should never do ( gaslight, sexual harassment, bullying, the full package..) but like you I put on my big girl pants stick to my guns and finish it. It was clear I wasn't going to stay and they didn't wanted me since I didn't play along , but I ended my contract without prejudice and kept my right to unemployment insurances . So kudos to you for that :). What I would had , is you are expendable , we all are , try to change your angle . Nothing last forever so do not be afraid of change , yes the market is volatile but you need to build confidence in your skills, knowing your super power is the one thing that will get you any job . Moreover if you know your own worth, there will be a company that need you , it's matter of finding it. Sorry it's a long one but I fell like it was needed.
Omg I’m so sorry that happened to you. You don’t deserve that and it sucks that companies feel like that behaviour is okay…especially, with this volatile job market. Thank you for your advice and sharing your story. Sending good vibes your way. We got this. 💕☺️
Question: Can you share your pay-range, if you got stock options, vesting schedule, if the startup was funded with stats on Crunchbase... etc (helpful for others in your situation, who are thinking of jumping ship *(quiet quit) before getting the next gig.
Thank you for asking!! I've listed the answers below. ✨🤞 > My pay: $71k CAD and a $2k CAD signing bonus - It was a startup in SF but I was working remotely in Toronto, Canada! The pay and cost of living is substantially lower here. > Stock options: I was given 500 shares of the company - this was worthless because each share was worth 50cents each and they were a sh*t company. They were most likely going NO WHERE in terms of growth and scaling. > Vesting period: I think it was 3-4 years? I don't remember. I didn't plan on staying there long so i blocked it out my mind! haha > Misc. company stats: 4 years old, $2m USD in funding, $1m USD in revenue, customer churn was high by the time i left because they were caught lying to stakeholders, they were a seed startup but on the brinks of series A (they prob won't get there) > Advice: If you're trying to quiet quit at a start-up, look for a job ASAP! I was ok with being let go because I was financially stable with my savings and living off my unemployment insurance until I found another opportunity. Also, a person only gets unemployment insurance if they were let go! I hope this helps. Good luck. You got this.💜😊🤞
I also had a deep trauma from my first layoff, where I used to also work in a small company with 7 people. I'm a junior fullstack dev and had an entire project to complete within 3 months which I did not manage to complete within the time frame, therefore I was let go. I was the only person working on this huge project, and put all my effort in it, tried to show it by working overtime and not asking pay for it to show my determination to complete that project. In my opinion they should've hired a senior dev for this kind of work, but during the layoff meeting they even blamed it on me, and did not even apologize for it. Now I'm at another company, still traumatized and scared that this will happen again, but I have changed my attitude and not prioritizing work over other aspects of life, since in corporate culture you are 100 % replaceable.
Thanks a bunch for sharing your story. 🙌 😊 That sounds like a tough situation. Putting in all that effort and not getting the support you needed is frustrating. Props to you for bouncing back and changing your mindset about work-life balance. It's so crucial, and you're absolutely right - corporate culture can sometimes miss the mark on that.😭 Remember, you're not alone, and your value goes way beyond any project. Keep rocking it in your current gig, and here's to a future filled with better experiences. 💜🤞✨
You’re right! Hopefully I’ll get an opportunity at a medium to large sized company. I think quiet quitting is very obvious at a start up.😅 Thank you for the great advice! 💜✨😊
The why used to be to support a persons children. It is absolutely true that most people don't care about the profits of the company (which is money the owners get).
This is great but prospective employers are going to find this and not hire you for admitting to quiet quitting. Also the why is money. Wage slavery is always, ALWAYS, about the benjamins. How much you can get and how little they can get away with giving you. Steady employment history, strategic job hop every 3-5 years, that's how you work the system.
Frankly, if a company is expecting you to do more than what they hired you for at the same pay then they are stealing. A contract is enforceable on both ends. Now, if someone wants to above and beyond then it can be considered a gift, but if it's required by a company then frankly they are thieves.
I really relate to this and it takes a lot of bravery to open up about a toxic work environment. I'm in a similar situation in a smaller medium sized tech company and my leadership and management doesn't care about me or my career growth. I'm basically just a ticketer and do calls nonstop getting paid below the market standard for my position. No one else in my position gets called out for checking their phones or "hanging out", but apparently since I'm the new guy, I get scolded and lectured like a high school student. Also I forgot to mention, that there's no new hire training and I have to setup meetings and make requests to learn about certain topics. It's my first tech job, since I recently transitioned into this field and I'm self-learning to become a software engineer. Every day is a battle, but just getting my experience so I can bounce ASAP. Great video Savannah! :)
I’m so sorry this is happening to you!! I was in a similar situation too except they it wasn’t because I was new, it was more so because I wasn’t one of their friends who they hired. It sucks that with a small-medium sized company, they make it so obvious that they don’t care about your career growth. It sucks. ): I love your positive attitude and I’m excited for your software engineering journey. You’re gonna do great things. Hold tight, this moment is only temporary. Thank you so much for watching my video, commenting, and sharing your story!! 💕💕
I'm so sorry!! I can relate right now too. 😭 I just keep thinking about how my previous job was so sh*tty and I'm kind of happy to be out of that situation... with a little severance package. Thank you for commenting and watching my video. We got this!! 🤞💜
I am in the HR Talent Acquistion side and very curious what company you worked for; I know you are not able disclose it. My tip is stay away from these publicly traded companies and stick with non-for-profit companies, well known health, academic or any other industry non-for-profit companies with good reputations. In my 10+ year career, I worked for many for profit companies/publicly traded companies in healthcare, education ect, and their always laying people off, cutting cost and restructuring all the time. I was laid off to during the pandemic by a for profit institution and never looked back. I have to admit I do feel semi secure as I am in the healthcare sector. However, always keep your eye out and always be looking. And try to do something on the side as you build your retirement with the main company that offers retirement plans.
@@TechSav18agree, look for higher-ed jobs. The salaries are a little lower but the work is easy and it's basically impossible to be fired or laid off if you land a full-time position. Be wary of fixed-term positions paid for by grants though
Thank you for watching and commenting on my video. 😊 I'm so sorry that happened to you. I'm sending love and good vibes your way. Better days to come!! 💕
One thing you might consider is working remotely from abroad. Ecuador, where we retired, just rolled out a "Digital Nomad" visa. If you can find a remote job, you can do it from Ecuador and drive your cost of living waaaaayyyyy down, compared to the Bay Area.
That's such a good idea! I would do that in a heartbeat. I hope more countries start to offer these Digital Nomad visas. Thank you for your advice and watching my video! 😊💜
Probably a sensible thing to do is to find new employment as soon as possible and take the path of least resistance (ie. leverage your current strengths rather than explore new things). Once you have re-acquired stability, you may then focus on clarifying your purpose and working towards long term goals. It also goes without saying to keep expenses low and to save and invest money when things are good. Apparently the average business cycle in America is 5.5 years. So you should plan accordingly.
@@andyhughes1776 I agree. But each person must continue fighting and do what is necessary to improve their situation (preferably with probity). I have also just got laid off (last day is tomorrow (2023-09-29)). Even after 4 weeks notice I still have not landed 1 interview. The job market is brutal. There are currently many highly qualified and competent people vying for few positions. But remember that tech can be very cyclical. When times are good, they can be very good. Nobody was complaining when they were making bank during boom times. This highlights the need to plan one's finances very carefully to weather prolonged storms. My suggestion is to leverage one's strengths and find the path of least resistance. Consider progressively lowering one's standards if necessary - work as a waiter, cleaner or kitchen hand if it comes to that (but make sure to omit those details from the CV on job applications). Move back in with parents, bunk with friends etc. If you can afford it, then use the time to upskill. Get certifications. Assess a strategy that gives the most ROI within the constraints of your specific situation. I plan on learning Python and working towards getting an AWS certification and then if time permits a RHEL certification. I have gone through 3 of these cycles. I have quit, I have been made redundant, I have monkey-branched, and now I have been laid off due to market conditions. Things will turn around eventually. It could take 1 or 2 years (who knows). You have working arms and legs, a functioning brain, no mental illness. That is a lot already.
I feel the same at my job currently. We have some full time people and various types of students (undergrad, masters, post docs) to do all the interesting projects since they can pay them a fraction of what a lot of other people get paid. Also we try to apply to the government for tax credits for innovation and anything else (anything for the money). The quality of the product sucks which makes extra pressure on everyone. I am quitting soon, and focusing on something new.
Thank you for commenting! It made me laugh lol the product that I worked for was terrible too. It was so hard to impress and be genuine to the customers when I felt like they got scammed. Lol Anyways, I’m so happy that you are leaving soon and focusing on something new. Good luck. 💕✨
Just 3 days ago, my boss just fired me because of a small misunderstanding, and he refused to know. I was working almost 3 years there, and the whole of my experience, he was just really, really toxic. The reasons I stayed were because he paid well and my friends there felt like family, but yeah. Maybe this is my last chapter in that company. I refused to forget in all my life that he is also abusive😔
You are so strong for staying in that terrible environment for almost 3 years. That's an achievement on it's own. You are now free. Thank you for sharing your story and watching my video. Good things will come soon. You got this. 💜✨
In some other career fields, if you go outside of your scope of practice, you could possibly loose your license which could effect your livelihood and some of the employers know it and will try you (toxic). A nepotism type environment is usually not a good one either. Based on the definition of quiet quitting though, it seems like you may also have a potential lawsuit (if you had decided that you wanted or needed your job) if you wanted to pursue a lawsuit. Especially, if it was going to be very difficult trying to get a new one in that career field. Not doing more work than what you were hired for is not grounds for termination... Just saying.
ahhhh This place was definitely a nepotism environment. My co-worker who got fired for the same reason ( and on the same day as me lol) is looking to start a law suit against them and I'm happy to support her case. I just don't have the $$$ to pursue that legal route on my end. 🥲 Thank you for sharing your opinion and advice!! 💕😊
Most stable fields are in education, healthcare, and government. Oh yeah and accountants lol. These fields are practically immune to bad economies. You won't be making six-figures unless you get the top positions, but it is stable and you won't live in fear of losing your job and there isn't as much deadline pressure to produce because they don't really go out of business even if they perform poorly. Unless, it is for defense industry and and government, tech is a luxury especially these consumer app based tech, so they will be susceptible to a bad economy. Hence why all these software tech giants laying off their consumer app-based portion of the work force. The ones working on government contracts aren't the ones getting laid off. I would say a government job is the best. You won't get laid off because they can just print money LMAO.
I had an internship at the government and I agree with your opinion! It's the best because I did nothing but the pay was below the market. If I got a job opportunity in government again, I would 100% take it ahah Thank you for your advice and watching my video. 😊💕
@@TechSav18 The best way to make passive income with no ceiling is real estate, property investment and renting out property. Also businesses like gas stations and car washes for easy money businesses. Very low cost with high returns especially gas stations and property rental and eventually if you know what you are doing property investment will probably get you really rich. My friend stays at home playing call of duty with his kids and just does nothing lol and makes 8 - 10 thousand a month on property rental. I visited him once and stayed over at his place, it was funny lol. His parents owns a car wash and bunch of properties and a gas station also. You have to manage the property and make sure you get the legal side down other than that you dont really have to do much. So a stable government job can help you save money or even take loans comfortably with fear of losing your job and not being able to pay. The loan can be used to buy the right property and rent it out and pay for the property itself and you can continue from there.
@@TechSav18 Yeah not really, his financial life is good but he has no luck with woman, he is divorced and his wife was a gold digger. No one has a perfect life, everyone is struggling with something. Even the richest people are struggling with something. Money isn't everything, you just need enough to sustain your existence and the existence of your loved ones, but having a purpose is everything.
I previously worked at a startup. Wasn't a toxic culture but very unstable job, eventually I was laid off. Other things you mentioned, politics and having to do lots of different tasks also happened!
I’m so sorry you got laid off. 🙁💜 Idk if I could do startups again bcuz of the volatility in many areas. Thank you for watching and sharing your story. We’ll be in a better place soon. 🤞✨
Savannah, Have you ever had trouble finding a new job after either being laid off or unfairly bein fired from your last job. Or if you were forced into having to quit your job because the work environment or manager was toxic. Did you tell the new job at your interview the truth or was it best to just lie to them and tell them you are still employed at your last job. Most companies don't really always check references or with your past employer anyway since references are just a formality when applying force new job. I have always used friends and family members with a different last name as references or a former co-worker at a previous job since they actually worked with me before. Does anyone have any experience in this situation since it may be best to just lie a little rather than lose the new job opportunity because you were honest. Thanks.
Hi! Both of the times I got laid off, I've never had trouble finding a new job opportunity in a short amount of time. For me, it depends on how long I've been at the company. I tell them that they had budget cuts and since I was the newest employee, they let me go. It's actually been a common theme for the past few years due to the pandemic and the tech layoffs. Sometimes I tell them that I left the company because i have witnessed on several occasions that it didn't align w my values, morals, and ethics. In some ways, it is true. I hope that info helps!! Lmk if you have more questions. I'm here to help :)
@@TechSav18 Yes, This information does help a little and the pandemic has changed some things with jobs and the economy. It seems like these higher paying jobs especially in the tech field career they never seem to keep people very long then they have dumb excuses for why they do all kinds of layoffs and they seem to let people go before even giving you much of a chance even when people have a college degree they still sometimes have to take a low paying job. I don't work in the tech career field and don't have a college degree but I have worked with people that do have college degrees and they are either forced into taking a low paying job in my area or if they want a higher paying job then they have to go either out of state or work far away from home in the big cities and that is not always an option for them since they don't have the money to do that. Thanks for replying.
@@Ken-vk8pb The salaries for a lot of the high paying jobs are inflated. I feel like after this mini recession, they are going be lower because it was getting ridiculous at one point. That's the reality of the job hunt. A lot of people have to go out to major cities in order to get better oppurtunities. Don't give up though, I know so many people who don't have college degrees that are doing fine. You got this!
This is why I hate working for start ups. Why work for a startup? They are much much worse than a big company and the ONLY benefit is if they give you a lot of stocks and you believe in the vision and get a big pay off later on
I want my next opportunity to be at a bigger company. I can't stand startups anymore. working 60 hour weeks without over time...yuck. They prey on new college grads.
@TechSav18 exactly. And in my experience it is easier for me to get into a big/medium sized company as they just want specialists so u just need to focus on that one skill. Even the good start ups I found are very picky because you literally got to be a jack of all trades and their pay is lower and u work 10x harder. I wouldn't bother unless they give big stocks as the pay would be about 30% less than a big company.
Good luck and hold on to your optimism. Things will get better. Please make another video about your experiences at the startup. I'm sure many here can learn from your experiences. I'd be curious to know what changed in your job behavior that indicated you were quiet quitting and perceived by your employer as a reason for letting you go. Great post.
I go into it very briefly in my new video called "It's ok to quiet quit"! I've been meaning to make a video about it but I've been too scared to do it haha I get so much hate on my videos. 🥲 Comments like yours encourages me to keep going with my UA-cam journey. Thank you so much for kind words and I hope to see you in the comment section in the future!! 💜😊
Just move to Austin. With your skills and knowledge, you will do much better at much less expensive unlike California where the taxes are cost of living are through the roof. The payout there will be plenty to still live independently in the surrounding area.
Ouu I'm not opposed to that idea at all. I've never been there but I would definitely move for the right opportunity. Thank you for your advice and watching my video!! 😊💕
Perhaps, you should consider looking for a more stable company. I know that municipal authorities suchnas cities, towns, and counties are hiring employees. You "MAY " want to continue looking at State Authorities as well. As far as I know, these particular entities have pretty good retirement benefits. My Father and Mother worked and retired with Dallas County and ended up having a nice retirement. Another place that you " MAY" want to consider looking into is that of school districts. If you have a back growth Technology, perhaps you can teach something related with Math, Science, and/or Computers I also know that The Defense Sector is hiring with a the situation going with The Middle East. I have been "FIRED" LAID OFF, and FURLOUGHED. It can be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY EXTREMELY UPSETTING AND DISAPPOINTING; BUT, NEVER EVER BE DISHEARTENED AND/OR DISCOURAGED!!! NEVER!!!!
Exploring opportunities in municipal authorities, school districts, and the Defense Sector is a great idea, and I'll definitely consider those options. Your personal experience with Dallas County is inspiring, and it's reassuring to hear stories of successful retirements. Your words about resilience in the face of career challenges are incredibly motivating. I'll keep pushing forward and exploring new possibilities. Thanks for sharing your experiences and providing such positive encouragement. 💜😊✨
Sorry about your layoff. I just turned 50 been busting my butt forever really never loved work older Ii get like it less but one thing I'm happy for is younger generation don't really want to work or want a happy job which likely doesn't exist. Only good is for me because I will be able to keep my job longer because most younger generation don't want to deal with the bs
That's an interesting opinion! My mom says the same thing too haha 😊 Thank you for watching and sharing your experience. Sending good vibes you way. You got this. 🤞💜
Stay out of the corporate world find something that makes you happy try to work remotely something you could travel be strong. Everybody fighting the same battle you fighting this is spiritual. I believe in you, you could do it everybody on this page
I'm currently at a job that has only 5 full time employees and 4 interns. Almost as many interns as employees. So yeah, I doubt it will survive to see 2024, but I'm over employed, so not concerned at all.
That was similar to my situation! The interns were getting paid pennies but doing an f ton of work. Half the start up was interns too LOL So glad you’re aware you’re better than them!! You got this!! 💕☺️
Get some sleep... HAVE A COFFEE... get some NICOTINE GUM... DO a line... Nobody gives a F.......... Get a BF to take care of the expenses... And just.. DO IT! Accept your faith, that whatever happens happens, as long as you just DO IT!
@@TechSav18 i have seen sexually harassed twice by female boss. Once i put up with it cause i needed the money. I dont now nor again. I dont see it getting any better. Work from home saved me.
Some heartles bastard in Corporate once said to me: "The World doesn't owe you anything Manoj.." I skipped lunch that day at work. 😐 P.S - I ended up getting drunk at multiple pubs in Central London and hiring a cab back home..
@@TechSav18 i got sh!t faced haha 😀 i got a cab home that night, my mum opened the house door cos I lost my key lol Leave the rest to your imagination beautiful. She wasn;t happy put it that way 😀
Hiring freinds will be there undoing Dont get down about it, ive been out of work for 4 mths lucky i buy gold so i managed by selling abit , Australian employers are demanding alot of qualifications etc 5 jobs in one payed for one , dont be scared u are free ,of a toxic envoirement,
What was the MO of this startup? Did they try to scale up organically as they prudently built their product? Or did they try to take out lots of loans, take investor money, etc. so they could scale up their product just enough so they could be acquired? If it's the second, then that's why your job was so unstable. Because the interest rates were so low, investors were incentivized to throw money at millions of startups in the hopes that one would be the next Facebook. You're company's founders probably had the same idea. Anyway, good luck to you. Maybe try to work at a government contractor. Business is booming for the obvious unfortunate reasons.
I don't think they knew their MO bcuz I've asked them that before and I never got a straight answer. IMO they want to scale but if a company came thru with a great offer, they would be acquired in a heart beat. Knowing the bones of the software from working at the company, they wouldn't be worth much tbh. 😂 I would LOVE to work in Government but they are ALWAYS on a hiring freeze. 🥲 Thank you for watching and sharing your opinion/advice. 💜✨😊
@@TechSav18 Yep. They weren't going to tell you that their ultimate business strategy was to get acquired because then you would have jumped ship a long time ago. 😃I mean most people don't want their work to be in vain even if they get paid for it. That's why they tell you that their products are going to change world and other nonsense. On another note, by government contractors I meant private companies that bid on government contracts. The reason I mention them is because I know a lot of these companies are short-staffed. So government itself may have hiring freezes but contractors currently don't as far as I'm aware. So if you're willing to work in other states, there are jobs.
@@theplasmacollider6431 I know!! I had equity in the company which is why I wanted to know. It was such a joke.😅 Ouuu do you have an example of which private companies are currently short staffed? 👀 I’m willing to move anywhere at this point LOL
@@TechSav18 Raytheon in Tucson Arizona. Maybe L3-Harris in Salt Lake City UT. I know for a fact that Raytheon is short staffed. These are two I know personally. The rest you'll just have to try and apply. Most of these have offices, labs, plants, etc. throughout the country too. I'm not sure what your skill sets are, but these lean heavily into the tech/engineering field. Hopefully, you can leverage whatever skills you have towards these types of companies if you're interested. Good luck.
@@theplasmacollider6431 my uncle is the president of Raytheon Singapore actually. Maybe it’s time for a fam reunion. 👀👀 Thank you for the advice! I appreciate it a lot. 🥹💜
@@TechSav18 ~ I wouldn’t give up on tech since we all know change is constant in this industry. I am fortunate to be able to work for a stable, private company in the insurance/investment/commercial real estate industry via its information services in Hawaii. I’m sure there are similar companies that would welcome your talents and experience. Cheers!
I’m a young Gen X and I can’t say I agree with the quiet quitting culture of Gen Z and younger Millennials. Companies have always overworked and under paid. Especially in the startup world. We were still taught to come to work and go above and beyond. This holds especially true when you have responsibilities. Meaning there’s no option to move back in with Mommy and Daddy, even if they suggested it. The idea of moving back home as an adult was looked down upon in the 00s. Not so much now cause your generation has made it acceptable and don’t see anything wrong with it. Hope everything works out for you.
My parents are Gen X and they’ve been quiet quitting for decades. They do this so they can work on other streams of income. I talk about quiet quitting in my other videos. It’s not a generational thing at all.
First off, thank you for subscribing and supporting my channel!!!! 😊💜 I didn't study engineering in college and I wasn't initially hired on to do it in my previous role. The support engineer quit so I had to take on that role and teach myself Ruby in a very short time period! All in all, I don't mind writing code but I wasn't given a pay increase for taking on the responsibilities as a support engineer!! 🥲 Thank you for asking and I hope this answers your question. 🥰
It’s shocking that there are people out there who don’t understand what quiet quitting is. So ya’ll are ok working for free??? 😭
What ever it means - it gives clear distinction between who to cut and who to keep during layoffs. The longer the recession goes on the more people will be begging for work ANY WORK. Many company’s will cease to exist in the next 3-5 years.
Dude. Start up trauma is SO REAL. And the job market anxiety… ugh man. Know you’re not alone in this. I also had a similar situation. A target of politics, a narrative formed to get me out of the team. Shit happens in leaner, rapid growing companies. But it’s all for the best. Know you’re not alone!
When I joined a start-up, I couldn't believe how bad the company politics were...maybe even worse than corporate!! 😭
So glad you can relate (except the start-up i worked for was going to sh*t lol)!!!! Thank you for watching and subscribing. 😊💕
@@TechSav18 actually the moment I was fired, they were 5 months in the red so I hope they go to shit as well LOL
@@jerrel.writes aha that’s karma 😂
When they increase your work, but don’t increase your pay 🚩
MAJOR red flag !!! 😭😭
Being an employee is a clown show.
that's been happening since "Reaganomics", where the emphasis changed to letting people at the "top" keep more of the profits - trickle-down BS
Or when your co-workers doing THE EXACT SAME TASKS - or sometimes less - and to a lower standard, have somehow privately "negotiated" better pay than you get. And management don't come to you to offer the same thing or even tell you it was possible. In some cases this "negotiation" led to literally double what I was on.
These people keep coming to me with basic questions because "you're so experienced" and "I don't know how to do that" but are somehow being paid more than me. Get rekt.
Happened to me at a previous gig. I found out, quit (their reasoning for offering random people more money did NOT stack up or convince me) and was later told by a former colleague that they were now huffing and puffing because certain things were taking forever and not being done as well as I did them. You didn't want to pay for that, so screw you. You made your choice and I sure as anything made mine.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 no way!! I’m so sorry that happened to you and I’m holed you’re out of that space now. They are so messed up for doing that. 😭
Thank you for sharing your experience and watching my video! 💜😊
I totally feel the same way. To get laid off, work your butt off to potentially join another toxic company to potentially get laid off again. Sorry this happened to you, and I too don’t have a solution, but just wanna say I also feel the same way as you 😢
I know! Work place trauma is REAL. I’m scared to look for another job because I don’t want to be in a similar situation again! 😭
Thank you for sharing your story and good luck. We’re in it together. 💜✨😊
Definitely a red flag when a ton of people are quitting. I too quit a startup and left equity on the table. It was too toxic. I happened to work for free upfront because I wanted to see them win. I walked away at a promising time, but it wasn't worth my soul. Fast forward, I am building my own company and being extremely thoughtful about people who come in. We won't have these problems because we are being mindful of how we hire but centering the beginning around values. It's hard to change culture later; it starts at the beginning...a no toxicity zone has to be declared.
I feel you on the first part. I wasn't being paid much money but I believed in what I later found out was an unstable product and horrible founders. 😩
Congrats on building your own company! You're going to be a great leader. Founders who have experience working at a start-up or smaller companies create some of the best employee cultures.
Thank you for watching and sharing your experience. You're going to do great!!🤞 😊💜
Thank you for sharing your experience! Congrats that you were able to part ways with your former employer the way you wanted. Your feeling of being lost is definitely not alone. I think most of the jobs are not advertised accurately and also it is hard to truly understand any career path without actually getting into the mud. I'm working a full time job right now, but still feel a similar sense of loss from time to time. I'm planning on taking some time off to do some serious reflection once my current contract ends. I think recognizing our own feelings and the need to reflect is a good and healthy thing for our career and life. Fear is normal and healthy as long as you don't let it stop you from taking actions for growth. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you! Best wishes❤
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and encouraging message! It means a lot. I completely resonate with your perspective, and you're absolutely right-navigating the professional landscape can be a challenging journey. It's reassuring to know that others share similar feelings, even in the midst of a full-time job. Taking the time for reflection is indeed a valuable and healthy step towards personal and professional growth. Your support and understanding are truly appreciated. Best wishes to you as well, and I'm excited to share more of my journey with you! 😊💜✨
Also, keep in mind it's the hardest situations that we find our best self so try not to stress too much and keep your inner peace.
That's great advice. Thank you for that. 😊💕
Try doing Contract and not in a Customer Success role if possible. I left start ups a long time ago. Its a good place to get overworked and they often have poor management. It seems you have technical skills so move toward that.
I appreciate your advice! I think I’m def gonna move away from customer success haha. Thank you for commenting. 😊💕
No worries... Get a good recruiter and you will have lots of offers. Take a few weeks off to decompress then let the recruiter do the heavy lifting while you also look.. I used to hire a lot of tech workers.... @@TechSav18
you are beautiful
I work in Tech as a 33 year old female, and im looking to get out of tech. Tired of corporate life .
I love Tech but the people in the industry can be so mean. 😪
I'm trying to move into a different industry as well! 🙌
Thank you for sharing and I hope that you find a better opportunity soon. We got this. 🤞💜✨
Tech is not easy, it changed drastically in last 10 year's I started career in tech around 2013 I have masters moved to US, from India worked in France, Switzerland, Germany companies are expecting people with full skillet something like fullstack, My uncle who moved to US 15 years back changed 25 jobs lol it's normal in tech don't giveup..
Doing engineering work and not get paid as an engineer is very cruel.
I was getting paid SOOOO LOW already too 🥲
@@TechSav18 That's just too much cruelty😢
Trust me 2024 is also going to be very tough in tech industry. It will recover, it always does. You learn to ride these ebbs and flows.
Ahh it’s scary. Thanks for watching and commenting! ☺️💕
You need to stop working for startups!
That’s the goal 🤞🥲😂
I’m so sorry this happened to you. It is unfortunate and unacceptable that openly disrespectful behavior, scape goating, gaslighting etc., towards employees is tolerated and this is more pervasive with smaller companies. No one deserves abuse and I’m so sorry that you were put in a bad situation. Emotional abuse and bullying is traumatizing no matter what environment you are in, workplace, internet (trolling), home, school. Sending you great vibes, your experiences and feelings are valid, and you seem like an awesome person. So much courage and grit to share your story and put yourself out there! 💖
Thank you so much for your kind words. We need more people like you in this world. 😊
Sending lots of love your way. 💕
Your young and did the right thing. Always always save a little for a rainy day like now. Blessings
Of course! Thank you so much for your sweet words and advice. 💕😊
And old people wonder why young people want to work anymore
Yeah haha my parents can't fathom working in tech!
The world is your oyster fr!! :) I agree w the last point especially .. tech is soo self involved sometimes its easy to forget theres sm more out there
thank you @tiffanychan6272 for the sweet words!! 💕
You're going to get inappropriate, un-constructive, and nasty comments on UA-cam. It's not you, it's just how some people are. The ironic thing I've learned for my own channel is that if it's not completely over the top, a lot of times I just let the comment stand - it actually adds to your metrics. Just keep going, eventually you'll not worry about them and be happy about everything you're doing.
You're so right. It's been a year since I've been posting consistently and I think I'm just getting the hang of receiving hate comments. I need to keep thinking "it's for the engagement" 😅.
Thank you for sharing. 💜
You look very young and I am old and have worked in tech all my life. Big companies are often better because things are not so personal and things are handled more professionally. I have worked in four startups during my years one was wonderful the other three was terrible with all the red flags you mentioned. Big companies can change over time and the job can become boring but still you have your salary. Hope you find your dream job! ❤️
I agree, for every 10 start ups, there is 1 good one. I think my next opportunity will be at a bigger organization for sure!!
Thank you so much for your kind words of wisdom and watch my video. 😊💕
There have been 239,000 tech workers who have lost their jobs since January 1 2023. Tracked by Wall Street business news.
That makes me so sad :(
Just found your channel, thank you for sharing your startup experience. Another sub for you!
Thank you so much. It helps me out A TON. 🤞💜✨
I'm from Canada and I finished a 3 year program to work in tech but the job market is very weird. I obviously finished at the worst time. 😅
What was your role at that company?
I was a Customer success manager !
There isn’t much job opportunities in Canada which is why I had to look for them in the states!!
Good luck on your job hunt. You’re gonna do great. 💕
@@TechSav18 thanks. I appreciate it a lot! Good luck with your projects and your channel.
@@matseddyjambon Thank you 🥰
I can relate to every single word, the difference is that I never worked in tech field. So you're definitely not the only one feeling like this. Got layed off, I stayed 5 months in fear as I just felt rhat I have nk escape. All the companies are the same and I will se the same bullshit no matter where I go. Bit I just removed those thoughts, I learn to think simple and live simple and I just felt peace. God bless you!😊
Thank you for sharing your story and I’m so sorry that happened to you too. I was living in fear for a few months as well. It felt like I was fighting for my life. Nothing I did was good enough. I was replaced 2 days later by their friend.
Just know that you’re in a better place now and you will find an amazing opportunity soon! Good luck. 💕😊
Sounds like a company that offered a bull$hit product that is only viable during times of easy money. Once the downturn happens these type of services are the first to go.
Ahh you’re correct! Lol this company has been in the red for several months. It is a bs product and the clients are picking up on it. 🥲
Avoid toxicity at all times. Good to move on
So very true. 🙌😌
Startups are about to hit Winter. T-mobile just laid off 8000. Amazon is getting ready to do a quiet mass layoff.
Omg, I didn't hear about the T-Mobile layoffs. I can't believe the telecoms industry is being hit hard as well. 😭
I'm sorry this happened to you. I just got laid off from my startup the end of October. I'm in the same boat where I don't want to work at another startup only to get laid off again rinse and repeat and employers look down on you if you have resume gaps, which is ridiculous but the reality right now. I think I'm going to focus on less volatile startups (Series A) and avoid pre-seed if I can. The pre-seed ones are where I've worked and experienced layoffs because their funding is so unpredictable.
I'm so sorry about your situation and I can completely relate. It sucks that these HRs are very bias towards career gaps.😫
The best case scenario is to work at a corporate company but they aren't hiring right now!! 😭
Thank you for commenting and watching the video. Hopefully, this lay-off cycle will blow over soon and an amazing opportunity comes our way. 💜✨
I love coding. I do Leetcode like playing a video game. However, the Software development environment is sooooo toxic. My first SE job was at a big Fortune 500. I applied for junior but had no idea why I was T3 and a month later I needed to deal with 24/7 on-call. I got laid off around March and now I am in school about AWS. I felt like we all had the same feeling right now. So, the only advice for all of us who getting layoff and feel lost is............... don't think too much. Do and think of things that you can control, such as how many Leetcode questions per day, and how many hours should study per day.......Life is hard but will get better
I agree, the tech industry is SOOOOO toxic. 😭
I love your advice about how we should focus on things we can control and not on the things we can't...it's definately a mindset I need to practice. 😅
Thank you so much for sharing your story and your advice. I appreciate your support for the channel and I hope to see you more in the comment section!! We got this. 😊🤞💜
I hate coding with a passion bro
but I do it cos I have to.
lol
target big companies. stop making apps and websites for cheapskates. Im sick of it personally. We Indian people worldwide want the world for peanuts and dont respect each other when we demand proper payment, we exploit each other that needs to stop lol
Sorry not you alex, im talking about my own people.
Anyhoo, yeah man... do what you gotta do bruh.
Interesting that you don't get anything for quitting. I wonder if some companies deliberately treat employees bad hoping that they quit on their own.
Ohhh nooo! Quiet quitting means that I do my responsibilities and don’t go work beyond my hours/job description without pay. I got fired for that and they gave me severance/employment insurance! If I quit, I wouldn’t have gotten those benefits!! ☺️💕
What you have described is called "constructive dismissal" and where I live it is VERY illegal - however the challenge lies in being able to convince an employment judge that it a) happened and b) was a deliberate choice by the employer.
But if you can, great job.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 ouuu that’s very interesting. 👀👀👀
I got let go nine years ago from a toxic work enviroment...should have quit first!
That's amazing you stuck in there for 9 years. I bet your severance package was amazing haha I'm excited for your new journey! You got this!!! 😊💕
@@TechSav18 Actually, I was there for 18 months, and I was let go in June 2014, nine years ago. My ego really took a hit, and I'm still recovering from it.
@@cateclism316 oh sorry, I read that wrong!
Haha don’t let it hurt your ego!! You are a stronger and better person today because of that experience. ☺️
Get food stamps and find your local soup kitchen learn about welfare
Oh Yes!!!! I know for a fact that The Health Care Industry including such places as Hospitals, Drug Companies, and Doctor Offices STILL NEED people with computer and software engineering skills. Perhaps, you should consider looking at opportunities in this particular field of work as well.
It has been my experience that when we experience disagreement and setbacks, BETTER OPPORTUNITIES PRESENT THEMSELVES!!!!
I realized the hard way I am not really a fan of the tech space even on the accounting and finance side of the business. Everyone feels so phony
I 100% agree. I realized the hard way too. I hope my next opportunity isn't in Tech. 🤞
Before you quiet quit...shouldn't you have something else lined up? Sounds like you just got lazy....if you hate your job and see a lot of red flags, don't give/wait for them to find a reason to hate you, start applying.
Great question! That’s very quick of you to assume I wasn’t applying to jobs. I was fired for quiet quitting. Since I was fired, I get employment insurance for several years. Next time, I recommend you don’t assume things! Thank you for watching and commenting. ☺️💕
What happened to you is unfortunate, my very first work experience was horrible too , I was fresh out from the school , an during those 3 months probation period , I had a taste of everything an employer should never do ( gaslight, sexual harassment, bullying, the full package..) but like you I put on my big girl pants stick to my guns and finish it. It was clear I wasn't going to stay and they didn't wanted me since I didn't play along , but I ended my contract without prejudice and kept my right to unemployment insurances . So kudos to you for that :). What I would had , is you are expendable , we all are , try to change your angle . Nothing last forever so do not be afraid of change , yes the market is volatile but you need to build confidence in your skills, knowing your super power is the one thing that will get you any job .
Moreover if you know your own worth, there will be a company that need you , it's matter of finding it. Sorry it's a long one but I fell like it was needed.
Omg I’m so sorry that happened to you. You don’t deserve that and it sucks that companies feel like that behaviour is okay…especially, with this volatile job market.
Thank you for your advice and sharing your story. Sending good vibes your way. We got this. 💕☺️
I appreciate you posting this video and sharing your experience
Thank you and no problem! I hope this has helped you in any sort of way. 😊💕
Go be a farmer that’s what I would do if I wasn’t old
@plumbing1how difficult was it to start your business if I may ask?
they would have let you go even if you did not quiet quit. Need to work up to what they pay and no more. There is no loyalty.
I agree...they ended firing a lot of people afterwards to hire their friends. There was no chance.
Question: Can you share your pay-range, if you got stock options, vesting schedule, if the startup was funded with stats on Crunchbase... etc (helpful for others in your situation, who are thinking of jumping ship *(quiet quit) before getting the next gig.
Thank you for asking!! I've listed the answers below. ✨🤞
> My pay: $71k CAD and a $2k CAD signing bonus - It was a startup in SF but I was working remotely in Toronto, Canada! The pay and cost of living is substantially lower here.
> Stock options: I was given 500 shares of the company - this was worthless because each share was worth 50cents each and they were a sh*t company. They were most likely going NO WHERE in terms of growth and scaling.
> Vesting period: I think it was 3-4 years? I don't remember. I didn't plan on staying there long so i blocked it out my mind! haha
> Misc. company stats: 4 years old, $2m USD in funding, $1m USD in revenue, customer churn was high by the time i left because they were caught lying to stakeholders, they were a seed startup but on the brinks of series A (they prob won't get there)
> Advice: If you're trying to quiet quit at a start-up, look for a job ASAP! I was ok with being let go because I was financially stable with my savings and living off my unemployment insurance until I found another opportunity. Also, a person only gets unemployment insurance if they were let go!
I hope this helps. Good luck. You got this.💜😊🤞
I also had a deep trauma from my first layoff, where I used to also work in a small company with 7 people. I'm a junior fullstack dev and had an entire project to complete within 3 months which I did not manage to complete within the time frame, therefore I was let go. I was the only person working on this huge project, and put all my effort in it, tried to show it by working overtime and not asking pay for it to show my determination to complete that project. In my opinion they should've hired a senior dev for this kind of work, but during the layoff meeting they even blamed it on me, and did not even apologize for it. Now I'm at another company, still traumatized and scared that this will happen again, but I have changed my attitude and not prioritizing work over other aspects of life, since in corporate culture you are 100 % replaceable.
Thanks a bunch for sharing your story. 🙌 😊
That sounds like a tough situation. Putting in all that effort and not getting the support you needed is frustrating. Props to you for bouncing back and changing your mindset about work-life balance. It's so crucial, and you're absolutely right - corporate culture can sometimes miss the mark on that.😭
Remember, you're not alone, and your value goes way beyond any project. Keep rocking it in your current gig, and here's to a future filled with better experiences. 💜🤞✨
Bad idea to work for companies that small, work for median to large size companies. Refine your quiet quitting, it shouldn't be detectable..
You’re right! Hopefully I’ll get an opportunity at a medium to large sized company. I think quiet quitting is very obvious at a start up.😅
Thank you for the great advice! 💜✨😊
The why used to be to support a persons children. It is absolutely true that most people don't care about the profits of the company (which is money the owners get).
Yes, Exactly!!!!
Idk how i randomly found this but just follow ur passion then the rest will come into place
Thank you so much for your comment and your advice. I really appreciate it. 🥹💕
This is great but prospective employers are going to find this and not hire you for admitting to quiet quitting.
Also the why is money. Wage slavery is always, ALWAYS, about the benjamins. How much you can get and how little they can get away with giving you. Steady employment history, strategic job hop every 3-5 years, that's how you work the system.
Ahh I see! Thank you for your advice and comment. 😊💕
I actually go by a different name in real life! 😉
Frankly, if a company is expecting you to do more than what they hired you for at the same pay then they are stealing. A contract is enforceable on both ends. Now, if someone wants to above and beyond then it can be considered a gift, but if it's required by a company then frankly they are thieves.
@@alexaneals8194 THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING!!! So many people have no idea what quiet quitting is. 😂
I really relate to this and it takes a lot of bravery to open up about a toxic work environment. I'm in a similar situation in a smaller medium sized tech company and my leadership and management doesn't care about me or my career growth. I'm basically just a ticketer and do calls nonstop getting paid below the market standard for my position. No one else in my position gets called out for checking their phones or "hanging out", but apparently since I'm the new guy, I get scolded and lectured like a high school student. Also I forgot to mention, that there's no new hire training and I have to setup meetings and make requests to learn about certain topics. It's my first tech job, since I recently transitioned into this field and I'm self-learning to become a software engineer. Every day is a battle, but just getting my experience so I can bounce ASAP. Great video Savannah! :)
I’m so sorry this is happening to you!! I was in a similar situation too except they it wasn’t because I was new, it was more so because I wasn’t one of their friends who they hired.
It sucks that with a small-medium sized company, they make it so obvious that they don’t care about your career growth. It sucks. ):
I love your positive attitude and I’m excited for your software engineering journey. You’re gonna do great things. Hold tight, this moment is only temporary.
Thank you so much for watching my video, commenting, and sharing your story!! 💕💕
@mneisbaarYou seem triggered! 😉
You’ve commented twice already (thanks for that bcuz it helps my channel a lot)!
Sending good vibes ur way. 😘
Tech start ups are a pressure cooker, ESPECIALLY... Pre-seed/seed start ups!
This company was in seed funding! I don't think they'll make it to series A lol they aren't a great product! 🙃
Just been laid off, and to get another job is a struggle ... not really sure what else to do.
I'm so sorry!! I can relate right now too. 😭
I just keep thinking about how my previous job was so sh*tty and I'm kind of happy to be out of that situation... with a little severance package.
Thank you for commenting and watching my video. We got this!! 🤞💜
Worked in tech. Programming, Never again. I have properties let my renter work snd pay me
That’s amazing! I’m so jealous. 😊
Do you ever get bored though?
@TechSav18 no. I liked counting money, depositing money in the bank. And spending time with my family, lifes too short
That’s the dream 😊
Young lady, you will do fine, keep working hard, this kind of experience is very familiar to me. Keep going.
Thank you so much for your kind words 😊💜
Scary what is happening out there.
I agree. Idk if it’s getting better this year…
I am in the HR Talent Acquistion side and very curious what company you worked for; I know you are not able disclose it. My tip is stay away from these publicly traded companies and stick with non-for-profit companies, well known health, academic or any other industry non-for-profit companies with good reputations. In my 10+ year career, I worked for many for profit companies/publicly traded companies in healthcare, education ect, and their always laying people off, cutting cost and restructuring all the time. I was laid off to during the pandemic by a for profit institution and never looked back. I have to admit I do feel semi secure as I am in the healthcare sector. However, always keep your eye out and always be looking. And try to do something on the side as you build your retirement with the main company that offers retirement plans.
Ahh thank you so much for this amazing advice. I'll keep an eye out for a not-for-profit company. I think that's the best next step! 😊
@@TechSav18agree, look for higher-ed jobs. The salaries are a little lower but the work is easy and it's basically impossible to be fired or laid off if you land a full-time position. Be wary of fixed-term positions paid for by grants though
@@themartdog I think that’s gonna be my next move tbh. It just makes more sense. thank you so much for your advice! I really appreciate it. 💕😊
Look into working as either a consultant or independent contractor.
@@lashurediscussion4970 Ouu maybe i'll look into doing that. Thank you for your advice. 💕😊
Everytime I've been fired from a shit job, I got a better one after.
This encourages me to keep applying to jobs 🥹
The mistake that I did was not to escalate this ASAP. Happens a lot in my company and I realized when I dint escalate this the replacement never came.
Thank you for watching and commenting on my video. 😊
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I'm sending love and good vibes your way. Better days to come!! 💕
One thing you might consider is working remotely from abroad. Ecuador, where we retired, just rolled out a "Digital Nomad" visa. If you can find a remote job, you can do it from Ecuador and drive your cost of living waaaaayyyyy down, compared to the Bay Area.
That's such a good idea! I would do that in a heartbeat. I hope more countries start to offer these Digital Nomad visas.
Thank you for your advice and watching my video! 😊💜
So sorry for your ordeal...big turnover trouble
Thank you for your kind words and watching my video. Sending good energy your way.💜✨😊
I would never trust a company that is using a CX to do backend engineering.
Same lol it’s so f up
Probably a sensible thing to do is to find new employment as soon as possible and take the path of least resistance (ie. leverage your current strengths rather than explore new things). Once you have re-acquired stability, you may then focus on clarifying your purpose and working towards long term goals. It also goes without saying to keep expenses low and to save and invest money when things are good. Apparently the average business cycle in America is 5.5 years. So you should plan accordingly.
Thank you for watching and commenting! You’re career and investment advice is super helpful. I will definitely continue to keep my expenses LOW. 😊💵
Find new employment?
Not in this economy - not when 385,000 other tech workers were also laid off and are trying to find work just like you!
@@andyhughes1776 I agree. But each person must continue fighting and do what is necessary to improve their situation (preferably with probity).
I have also just got laid off (last day is tomorrow (2023-09-29)). Even after 4 weeks notice I still have not landed 1 interview.
The job market is brutal. There are currently many highly qualified and competent people vying for few positions.
But remember that tech can be very cyclical. When times are good, they can be very good. Nobody was complaining when they were making bank during boom times.
This highlights the need to plan one's finances very carefully to weather prolonged storms.
My suggestion is to leverage one's strengths and find the path of least resistance. Consider progressively lowering one's standards if necessary - work as a waiter, cleaner or kitchen hand if it comes to that (but make sure to omit those details from the CV on job applications). Move back in with parents, bunk with friends etc.
If you can afford it, then use the time to upskill. Get certifications. Assess a strategy that gives the most ROI within the constraints of your specific situation.
I plan on learning Python and working towards getting an AWS certification and then if time permits a RHEL certification.
I have gone through 3 of these cycles. I have quit, I have been made redundant, I have monkey-branched, and now I have been laid off due to market conditions.
Things will turn around eventually. It could take 1 or 2 years (who knows).
You have working arms and legs, a functioning brain, no mental illness. That is a lot already.
I feel the same at my job currently. We have some full time people and various types of students (undergrad, masters, post docs) to do all the interesting projects since they can pay them a fraction of what a lot of other people get paid. Also we try to apply to the government for tax credits for innovation and anything else (anything for the money). The quality of the product sucks which makes extra pressure on everyone. I am quitting soon, and focusing on something new.
Thank you for commenting! It made me laugh lol the product that I worked for was terrible too. It was so hard to impress and be genuine to the customers when I felt like they got scammed. Lol
Anyways, I’m so happy that you are leaving soon and focusing on something new. Good luck. 💕✨
New sub found you by the algorithm binging all your videos❤
I’m so happy you found me. I hope you’re enjoying it. 💜💜💜
Find the "why" and everything follows..good luck
Short and beautiful advice. thank you. 😊💕
Just 3 days ago, my boss just fired me because of a small misunderstanding, and he refused to know. I was working almost 3 years there, and the whole of my experience, he was just really, really toxic. The reasons I stayed were because he paid well and my friends there felt like family, but yeah. Maybe this is my last chapter in that company. I refused to forget in all my life that he is also abusive😔
You are so strong for staying in that terrible environment for almost 3 years. That's an achievement on it's own. You are now free.
Thank you for sharing your story and watching my video. Good things will come soon. You got this. 💜✨
In some other career fields, if you go outside of your scope of practice, you could possibly loose your license which could effect your livelihood and some of the employers know it and will try you (toxic). A nepotism type environment is usually not a good one either. Based on the definition of quiet quitting though, it seems like you may also have a potential lawsuit (if you had decided that you wanted or needed your job) if you wanted to pursue a lawsuit. Especially, if it was going to be very difficult trying to get a new one in that career field. Not doing more work than what you were hired for is not grounds for termination... Just saying.
ahhhh This place was definitely a nepotism environment. My co-worker who got fired for the same reason ( and on the same day as me lol) is looking to start a law suit against them and I'm happy to support her case. I just don't have the $$$ to pursue that legal route on my end. 🥲
Thank you for sharing your opinion and advice!! 💕😊
Most stable fields are in education, healthcare, and government. Oh yeah and accountants lol. These fields are practically immune to bad economies. You won't be making six-figures unless you get the top positions, but it is stable and you won't live in fear of losing your job and there isn't as much deadline pressure to produce because they don't really go out of business even if they perform poorly. Unless, it is for defense industry and and government, tech is a luxury especially these consumer app based tech, so they will be susceptible to a bad economy. Hence why all these software tech giants laying off their consumer app-based portion of the work force. The ones working on government contracts aren't the ones getting laid off. I would say a government job is the best. You won't get laid off because they can just print money LMAO.
I had an internship at the government and I agree with your opinion! It's the best because I did nothing but the pay was below the market. If I got a job opportunity in government again, I would 100% take it ahah
Thank you for your advice and watching my video. 😊💕
@@TechSav18 The best way to make passive income with no ceiling is real estate, property investment and renting out property. Also businesses like gas stations and car washes for easy money businesses. Very low cost with high returns especially gas stations and property rental and eventually if you know what you are doing property investment will probably get you really rich. My friend stays at home playing call of duty with his kids and just does nothing lol and makes 8 - 10 thousand a month on property rental. I visited him once and stayed over at his place, it was funny lol. His parents owns a car wash and bunch of properties and a gas station also. You have to manage the property and make sure you get the legal side down other than that you dont really have to do much.
So a stable government job can help you save money or even take loans comfortably with fear of losing your job and not being able to pay. The loan can be used to buy the right property and rent it out and pay for the property itself and you can continue from there.
Ouuu a car wash business might be the most attainable thing for me in the near future!! 👀
Your friend has an amazing life haha 😂
@@TechSav18 Yeah not really, his financial life is good but he has no luck with woman, he is divorced and his wife was a gold digger. No one has a perfect life, everyone is struggling with something. Even the richest people are struggling with something. Money isn't everything, you just need enough to sustain your existence and the existence of your loved ones, but having a purpose is everything.
@@rodney5269 oh wow that is kind of sad. you're right though. I just need enough to live comfortable. I hope he didn't have kids with her!! ahhh
I previously worked at a startup. Wasn't a toxic culture but very unstable job, eventually I was laid off. Other things you mentioned, politics and having to do lots of different tasks also happened!
I’m so sorry you got laid off. 🙁💜
Idk if I could do startups again bcuz of the volatility in many areas.
Thank you for watching and sharing your story. We’ll be in a better place soon. 🤞✨
I GOT LAID OFF/// 1 MONTH LATER THE BUSINESS WAS GONE// TIUGH S@#!$@$$#@!$ FOR THEM//
That's so sad 😭
@@TechSav18 VERY TRUE
Savannah, Have you ever had trouble finding a new job after either being laid off or unfairly bein fired from your last job. Or if you were forced into having to quit your job because the work environment or manager was toxic. Did you tell the new job at your interview the truth or was it best to just lie to them and tell them you are still employed at your last job. Most companies don't really always check references or with your past employer anyway since references are just a formality when applying force new job. I have always used friends and family members with a different last name as references or a former co-worker at a previous job since they actually worked with me before. Does anyone have any experience in this situation since it may be best to just lie a little rather than lose the new job opportunity because you were honest. Thanks.
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Both of the times I got laid off, I've never had trouble finding a new job opportunity in a short amount of time. For me, it depends on how long I've been at the company. I tell them that they had budget cuts and since I was the newest employee, they let me go. It's actually been a common theme for the past few years due to the pandemic and the tech layoffs. Sometimes I tell them that I left the company because i have witnessed on several occasions that it didn't align w my values, morals, and ethics. In some ways, it is true. I hope that info helps!! Lmk if you have more questions. I'm here to help :)
@@TechSav18 Yes, This information does help a little and the pandemic has changed some things with jobs and the economy. It seems like these higher paying jobs especially in the tech field career they never seem to keep people very long then they have dumb excuses for why they do all kinds of layoffs and they seem to let people go before even giving you much of a chance even when people have a college degree they still sometimes have to take a low paying job. I don't work in the tech career field and don't have a college degree but I have worked with people that do have college degrees and they are either forced into taking a low paying job in my area or if they want a higher paying job then they have to go either out of state or work far away from home in the big cities and that is not always an option for them since they don't have the money to do that. Thanks for replying.
@@Ken-vk8pb The salaries for a lot of the high paying jobs are inflated. I feel like after this mini recession, they are going be lower because it was getting ridiculous at one point.
That's the reality of the job hunt. A lot of people have to go out to major cities in order to get better oppurtunities. Don't give up though, I know so many people who don't have college degrees that are doing fine. You got this!
My manager discriminated me so I retained a law firm
Omg no way. Good for you. My co-worker is doing a similar thing. Let me know how it goes! ☺️
@@TechSav18 the manager was not bright thinking an asian female will be submissive and let him say whatever untrue he wants.
I’ve had a lot of men talk to me in such a condescending tone as well. I can’t stand it…
@@TechSav18 just so disgusting sick of this.
Agreed. It needs to stop 😤
Thank you so much for making this video. I work in a startup too and the trauma is real😩It is a low pay high stress environment with no real peace
I'm so sorry you're going through all of that 😭
Keep pushing. I'm rooting for you. 🤞💜
Same girl, same! We got this!
Sending love and good vibes your way. 😊💕
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This is why I hate working for start ups. Why work for a startup? They are much much worse than a big company and the ONLY benefit is if they give you a lot of stocks and you believe in the vision and get a big pay off later on
I want my next opportunity to be at a bigger company. I can't stand startups anymore. working 60 hour weeks without over time...yuck. They prey on new college grads.
@TechSav18 exactly. And in my experience it is easier for me to get into a big/medium sized company as they just want specialists so u just need to focus on that one skill. Even the good start ups I found are very picky because you literally got to be a jack of all trades and their pay is lower and u work 10x harder. I wouldn't bother unless they give big stocks as the pay would be about 30% less than a big company.
That's great advice. I think I need to specialize for my next role. What do you specialize in?
@TechSav18 I am a software developer in GoLang but I also specialise in Java.
You are cute ❤
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Good luck and hold on to your optimism. Things will get better. Please make another video about your experiences at the startup. I'm sure many here can learn from your experiences. I'd be curious to know what changed in your job behavior that indicated you were quiet quitting and perceived by your employer as a reason for letting you go. Great post.
I go into it very briefly in my new video called "It's ok to quiet quit"! I've been meaning to make a video about it but I've been too scared to do it haha I get so much hate on my videos. 🥲
Comments like yours encourages me to keep going with my UA-cam journey. Thank you so much for kind words and I hope to see you in the comment section in the future!! 💜😊
soooo as a noob, keep learning code and hope for the best?
Aha I’m not a SWE lol but maybe I’ll pick up that skill
Just move to Austin. With your skills and knowledge, you will do much better at much less expensive unlike California where the taxes are cost of living are through the roof. The payout there will be plenty to still live independently in the surrounding area.
Ouu I'm not opposed to that idea at all. I've never been there but I would definitely move for the right opportunity. Thank you for your advice and watching my video!! 😊💕
Perhaps, you should consider looking for a more stable company. I know that municipal authorities suchnas cities, towns, and counties are hiring employees. You "MAY " want to continue looking at State Authorities as well. As far as I know, these particular entities have pretty good retirement benefits.
My Father and Mother worked and retired with Dallas County and ended up having a nice retirement.
Another place that you " MAY" want to consider looking into is that of school districts. If you have a back growth Technology, perhaps you can teach something related with Math, Science, and/or Computers
I also know that The Defense Sector is hiring with a the situation going with The Middle East.
I have been "FIRED" LAID OFF, and FURLOUGHED.
It can be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY EXTREMELY UPSETTING AND DISAPPOINTING; BUT, NEVER EVER BE DISHEARTENED AND/OR DISCOURAGED!!! NEVER!!!!
Exploring opportunities in municipal authorities, school districts, and the Defense Sector is a great idea, and I'll definitely consider those options. Your personal experience with Dallas County is inspiring, and it's reassuring to hear stories of successful retirements.
Your words about resilience in the face of career challenges are incredibly motivating. I'll keep pushing forward and exploring new possibilities. Thanks for sharing your experiences and providing such positive encouragement. 💜😊✨
Sorry about your layoff. I just turned 50 been busting my butt forever really never loved work older Ii get like it less but one thing I'm happy for is younger generation don't really want to work or want a happy job which likely doesn't exist. Only good is for me because I will be able to keep my job longer because most younger generation don't want to deal with the bs
That's an interesting opinion! My mom says the same thing too haha 😊
Thank you for watching and sharing your experience. Sending good vibes you way. You got this. 🤞💜
Stay out of the corporate world find something that makes you happy try to work remotely something you could travel be strong. Everybody fighting the same battle you fighting this is spiritual. I believe in you, you could do it everybody on this page
You're so kind. Thank you for watching and for sharing! 😊💜
I think that would be the dream for me!!! 🤞✨
I'm currently at a job that has only 5 full time employees and 4 interns. Almost as many interns as employees. So yeah, I doubt it will survive to see 2024, but I'm over employed, so not concerned at all.
That was similar to my situation! The interns were getting paid pennies but doing an f ton of work. Half the start up was interns too LOL
So glad you’re aware you’re better than them!! You got this!! 💕☺️
informative....i also got laid off recently...
Thank you for commenting and watching. I’m so sorry about the lay off. Sending good vibes your way. 💕
@@TechSav18 it is unfair what you’re going through.. hope you find the answers you want soon⭐️
@@FilmwColleen I appreciate the kind words. We got this .🤞
I work part time
What is your expertise, what exactly was your tasking?
I was the CX lead but I didn’t some light coding (SQL, Ruby) cuz an engineer got fired and they never wanted to hire a new one
Get some sleep... HAVE A COFFEE... get some NICOTINE GUM... DO a line... Nobody gives a F.......... Get a BF to take care of the expenses... And just.. DO IT! Accept your faith, that whatever happens happens, as long as you just DO IT!
YOU WANT ME TO GET A NICOTINE ADDICTION? GIRL WHAT? 😂
@@TechSav18 Just move to Bulgaria, I'll take care of all of yo addictions! And we can be poor together!
Safe work environments are rare
Very true. I’ve only had 2 safe professional work environments…ever. 😭
@@TechSav18 i have seen sexually harassed twice by female boss. Once i put up with it cause i needed the money. I dont now nor again. I dont see it getting any better. Work from home saved me.
I’m so sorry you had to go thru that omg 😭
Some heartles bastard in Corporate once said to me: "The World doesn't owe you anything Manoj.."
I skipped lunch that day at work. 😐
P.S - I ended up getting drunk at multiple pubs in Central London and hiring a cab back home..
Omg that's awful! Glad you had fun without them ahah 😂
@@TechSav18 i got sh!t faced haha 😀
i got a cab home that night, my mum opened the house door cos I lost my key lol
Leave the rest to your imagination beautiful. She wasn;t happy put it that way 😀
@@TechSav18 mwah 😽
omg! creepy kiss! creepy kiss! lol
j/k Tech, relax. Just online banter. Drjnk btw 😐
Interesting. Thanks. toronto canada
Thanks for the love from my hometown 💕
How the hell you get fired for doing your job?
They ended up hiring their close friend. Someone else in a similar situation as me sued them. 🥲
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I hope you get new Jobs
Thank you ☺️💜
*half our workforce is interns*
...oohhhhhh shit.
It’s so messed up cuz they r so overworked and underpaid
Because you're doing what society wants you to do not what you want to do
So sad but so true 🥲
Hiring freinds will be there undoing
Dont get down about it, ive been out of work for 4 mths lucky i buy gold so i managed by selling abit ,
Australian employers are demanding alot of qualifications etc 5 jobs in one payed for one , dont be scared u are free ,of a toxic envoirement,
It's similar in Australia? I wanted to move there. 😭
Thank you for your kind words and support. 😊💜
Start doing retraining to learn a new job skill
Thank you for your advice and subscribing!!! 😊💕
0:21 I feel you. O.M.G I feel you!
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What was the MO of this startup? Did they try to scale up organically as they prudently built their product? Or did they try to take out lots of loans, take investor money, etc. so they could scale up their product just enough so they could be acquired? If it's the second, then that's why your job was so unstable. Because the interest rates were so low, investors were incentivized to throw money at millions of startups in the hopes that one would be the next Facebook. You're company's founders probably had the same idea. Anyway, good luck to you. Maybe try to work at a government contractor. Business is booming for the obvious unfortunate reasons.
I don't think they knew their MO bcuz I've asked them that before and I never got a straight answer. IMO they want to scale but if a company came thru with a great offer, they would be acquired in a heart beat. Knowing the bones of the software from working at the company, they wouldn't be worth much tbh. 😂
I would LOVE to work in Government but they are ALWAYS on a hiring freeze. 🥲
Thank you for watching and sharing your opinion/advice. 💜✨😊
@@TechSav18 Yep. They weren't going to tell you that their ultimate business strategy was to get acquired because then you would have jumped ship a long time ago. 😃I mean most people don't want their work to be in vain even if they get paid for it. That's why they tell you that their products are going to change world and other nonsense. On another note, by government contractors I meant private companies that bid on government contracts. The reason I mention them is because I know a lot of these companies are short-staffed. So government itself may have hiring freezes but contractors currently don't as far as I'm aware. So if you're willing to work in other states, there are jobs.
@@theplasmacollider6431 I know!! I had equity in the company which is why I wanted to know. It was such a joke.😅
Ouuu do you have an example of which private companies are currently short staffed? 👀 I’m willing to move anywhere at this point LOL
@@TechSav18 Raytheon in Tucson Arizona. Maybe L3-Harris in Salt Lake City UT. I know for a fact that Raytheon is short staffed. These are two I know personally. The rest you'll just have to try and apply. Most of these have offices, labs, plants, etc. throughout the country too. I'm not sure what your skill sets are, but these lean heavily into the tech/engineering field. Hopefully, you can leverage whatever skills you have towards these types of companies if you're interested. Good luck.
@@theplasmacollider6431 my uncle is the president of Raytheon Singapore actually. Maybe it’s time for a fam reunion. 👀👀
Thank you for the advice! I appreciate it a lot. 🥹💜
Lot’s of red flags. I would have left after seeing the red flags. Cheers!
Ahhh I should’ve left too 🥲
@@TechSav18 ~ I wouldn’t give up on tech since we all know change is constant in this industry. I am fortunate to be able to work for a stable, private company in the insurance/investment/commercial real estate industry via its information services in Hawaii. I’m sure there are similar companies that would welcome your talents and experience. Cheers!
@@jlprescott7243 thank you for your kind words of encouragement. I hope to be as blessed as you one day. 😊🤞💕
Sorry
I’m a young Gen X and I can’t say I agree with the quiet quitting culture of Gen Z and younger Millennials. Companies have always overworked and under paid. Especially in the startup world. We were still taught to come to work and go above and beyond. This holds especially true when you have responsibilities. Meaning there’s no option to move back in with Mommy and Daddy, even if they suggested it. The idea of moving back home as an adult was looked down upon in the 00s. Not so much now cause your generation has made it acceptable and don’t see anything wrong with it. Hope everything works out for you.
My parents are Gen X and they’ve been quiet quitting for decades. They do this so they can work on other streams of income. I talk about quiet quitting in my other videos. It’s not a generational thing at all.
Welcome to working in technology!
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First off, thank you for subscribing and supporting my channel!!!! 😊💜
I didn't study engineering in college and I wasn't initially hired on to do it in my previous role. The support engineer quit so I had to take on that role and teach myself Ruby in a very short time period!
All in all, I don't mind writing code but I wasn't given a pay increase for taking on the responsibilities as a support engineer!! 🥲
Thank you for asking and I hope this answers your question. 🥰