Tech Worker Records Her "Termination" and Goes Viral. Here's Where It Went Wrong.
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
- A Cloudflare employee recorded her termination, and it was cringy. Here's how the HR team got this one wrong, and it is yet again another example of employers not conducting layoffs in the correct manner.
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0:00 - intro
1:17 - She records herself getting fired
2:13 - HR shows up
3:35 - Beware of severance agreements
4:40 - The reason for being fired
7:36 - Your manager's involvement
9:19 - HR can't say why they are there
11:09 - HR refuses to give answers
13:24 - HR corporate-speak
15:45 - I couldn't work in HR anymore
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22:40 - The CEO's response
24:36 - What to do after a layoff
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First time here. Would be nice to see video on the unemployment filing experience. They want you to find a job ASAP. Due to theft ? Tons of checks and balances . Outdated search systems. The workers there OMG. From one trauma to anther. Thanks for your work.
isn't it illegal to surreptitiously record conversations the way she did?
@ALifeAfterLayoff ,isnt it illegal to record electronic conversations w/o consent??
@@sanle7515 I believe all electronic communications are being recorded. Private conversations are allowed to be recorded in some states with only one persons consent. In other states it requires both parties knowledge. For example, when someone leaves a voicemail they KNOW they are being recorded so they have given their consent. And you can use that in a courtroom as evidence.
If you secretly record someone with a hidden camera or recording device in a location where they think they have privacy, or they believe it's just the two of you, depending on the state, that is not admissible in court. Silicon valley is in a 2-party consent state
It's one reason I prefer a doctor appointment in person and not over the phone. Doctor patient confidentiality goes out the window as soon as your appointment is done online or by phone
Every ZOOM meeting, online learning, court appearance, all of it, was being watched by the Chinese and they were gathering more data on Americans per day than the NSA does.
Anything that can transmit can also receive. The Ring doorbell is apparently easy to break into and watch people inside their homes. I'll never understand people who want robots or smart devices in their homes
It's bad enough already with these cell phones.
I would posit that we no longer have a true capitalist society. If you look at the definitions of corporatism(or mercantilism), those would be the closest to what we're currently living. And it's global, which means we're all in trouble.@@derekprospero
I was laid off for "Performance Issues" 5 days after I got a 5 star performance review and a 4% raise. They're all full of shit.
Same thing happened to me!
Very similar experience
I literally just got a 5 star performance review a few days ago, no raise sadly, but you're making me nervous
Wow
@@dannylaza1326 Neah, don't be nervous. Everything will be alright. It's just the way the economy is. Vote out the democrats and it helps. I promise you that. Plus food and gas comes way down when Conservatives are in office.
This is why it is laughable when a company expects any loyalty. It is a contract, I work, you pay me, end of relationship.
That is correct and when in a labor union it is a literal defined legal contract. Unions take companies out of their preferred grey area.
@allthingsnm354 Unions can also Bargain away your assured rights in a State with a Contract, like mine did. Oh they also sent paid political campaigners to my home to tell me how to Vote, paid for with our Union Dues. Because of 2020 the Current Administration in the White House told our Union and Our Company they did not need our consent for our new Contract, they gave away so much for our department it isn't funny, I can work 16 hour days 7 days a week and not get double time, ALL other department get double time after 48 hours. Our department gets 40 hours sick and kin care, ALL other departments get 96 hours of the two. Well time for a new contract and time for a new Administration that doesn't sell Unions out, time to switch political parties
@@stevensola3361Yes, I have had negative results from a union as well. If you think about it, the primary goal of any organization (including unions, companies, governments) is to survive. Second is to thrive (aka make a profit and expand). Organizations will prioritize these goals above all others, even if it means selling out their members.
@@stevensola3361 Get out of the union, hire a lawyer, and sue both the union and the employer ? 🤷🏼♀️
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Amazon tried screwing me over on an injury. We were about to hit a big safety bonus the next day after I hurt my shoulder and my manager told me not to go to medical and sent me home for the day, then he disabled my badge. I tried clocking in for 3 days in a row and couldnt. Then they marked me as a no call no show and terminated me. When i was able to prove all this to the judge, i won my unemployment case. The judge was pissed and said some stuff to HR. Fuck you Dave and fuck amazon. Started my art career and im making way more money and im way happier. And im my own boss!
Good man
I'm happy for you. What's your art career consist of.
I'm sorry that happened to you.
I can't believe they did all that just so they could get a safety bonus! Wow.
Sounds like you could have has a disability discrimination case
Where can I find your art?
My late wife worked in HR at an Outdoor TV company when they decide to layoff a large percentage of the company employees, she came home crying after having to layoff people she knew personally, the worse was she had to layoff a husband & wife the same day, she left that company shortly after due to her lack of respect for the upper management - as for me I have NO loyalty to any company I work for, my loyalty is to my paycheck!
Sorry she felt she had to leave shortly after firing a husband and wife… is anyone courageous anymore to say NO!!!!! I’m not doing that!!!! This is why this is so pervasive in our country- everyone follows orders and just keep the wrecking ball in motion.
That’s what I was thinking just say “no” to upper management and tell them to fire others themselves.
They definitely don’t care about you.
There needs to be a law that any company that laid off workers in the last 12 months can't give executive bonuses. If they cant afford employees then how can you afford a executive bonus?
It's disgusting that you think the government should have so much control over private businesses. Go to China if that's the kind of rule you want.
THANK YOU!!!
Like the whole thing is that you’re the boss and you’re supposed to make sure everyone under you knows what they are doing. If they aren’t then who’s really underperforming??????? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
Tha amount of times i’ve been throwing into the fire no real TRAINING. But then all of a sudden they want to fire me but i’ve never been told im doing a bad job?? I hate everyone
Yes! Because if an ENTIRE team failed, it’s whoever is running the business unit from the top down! THEY failed to set expectations and communicate metrics. But nothing will happen to them because the whole thing is BS, made up reasons to improve the bottom line without regard for the people who just signed new leases or turned down other offers to work at Cloudflare. It’s so upsetting.
If AI ever takes over any job the first should be HR, because they sounded just like robots.
AHahahah
But yes
the one firing u is someone higher up. hr is just the messenger.
And they literally do nothing 🙄
Precisely
The HR could be replaced with one of Jolly Roger Phone Company's bots.
I got laid off for taking too much time off. My parents died 18 days apart, and I took bereavement leave. I was allowed 5 days per but only took 3 days for each parent. I loved the shocked face of the HR person when I thanked her for laying me off so I could settle the two estates. When I explained what I meant, she sat there with her mouth open, looking stupid. She had no idea what was going on. Same thing as this company, they hired too many people in anticipation of a contract they didnt get. Cowards! Own up to your mistakes rather than blaming somebody else.
Yeah I would get an attorney, take my reviews and take them to court for wrongful termination, or at least lying for the reason I was let go.
So sorry you had to go through that experience. At least they are together again. One of my employers I will speak highly of in regards to this topic was my time at Nike INC, my grandmother passed and I was not even aware we were allowed bereavement time for it, but multiple managers above me encouraged I do so after I mentioned it as reason for my spaceyness that day. It’s no surprise that most places are not like that but I’m glad you got a little bit of “fuck you” to them being shocked at your reply
Still amazes me when businesses count their chickens before they hatch
Sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry for your losses.
Agreed. Part of leadership is taking responsibility when you mess up.
The HR person sounds like a Politician never answering the question directly.
Because they can't. They're basically trying to minimize any lawsuits.
Exactly. Perfect parallel.
HR in this case serves to purposes. One, to make sure the manager assigned to drop kick all these employees to the unemployment line doesn't say anything that might cause the company to face additional liability, and two, to answer any oddball questions pertaining to the separation process that the random manager has no idea about.
Listening to this two p-foot around the subject, makes me believe the guy he is practically fresh out of college and has zero experience with laying people off. His tone and verbal language just comes off as very timid. Which is likely due from lack of experience dealing with these type of things.
Imagine this scenario. You get a job as a entry level manager for the corporate office. You expect to push paper for the rest of your life. You barely have learned your login credential to the systems and you get called into a office meeting. You are then handed a list of employees who you are told you have to separate and that HR will be on the line to assist. You then jump on your first meeting with an employee and learn the name of the HR representative helping with the separation and learn they know about as much about this as you do. All you are told is that the separation are due to failure to meet job expectations. Nothing more and nothing less. And if anybody pushes back on the company line, you direct them to speak to HR ... after the meeting.
Joking not joking. You want a life in corporate America for life, be the volture who can fire people like a gunslinger shooting targets. You need 200 people fired? I'll have that wrapped up by lunch. Does that cost saving equate to a higher bonus for me?
It's super nasty how the HR lady repeatedly uses the phrase "how you feel". Because it's not about how she feels, it's about her rights. She's trying to diminish her rights by re-labeling them as her feelings.
My thoughts exactly.
It's the corporate version of "who hurt you?"
Meant to dismiss any issue with a blindly confident "I know this is really about something else, not what you're saying"
@@cleanmikeandtheboys3165 Yep, it's the same tactic.
Not even a matter of rights, "how your feel" is just a machavelian cover for HR's brazen lies.
she's a vulture and i haven't met an HR rep who isn't
I was forced to resign due to my company trying to get me to skip safety protocols for years. I had text proof and pictures. I went to HR told them I had to quit because I was forced. Went to unemployment got denied cuz HR lied . Appealed and won. They appealed and I won again. I sued with coworkers and now on Friday we are going to a settlement meeting for the 2nd time. Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Sounds like your looking to get paid without working. You were the type of employee to complain to HR and then you quit and somehow got unemployment anyways, and now your trying to get them to give you free money because that is what you wanted from the get go. whatever, you do you, but I am sure the company is completely happy with their decision to get rid of you. After you sue them, they will just be even happier your gone.
@criticalthinker420 oh your mistaken I'm part of 4 employees but I guess all 4 of us were looking to get paid and justice system is rigged in our favor? Why so mad stranger? You def seem like your mad about something. Did your company shutdown cuz you didn't know how to run it? Bankruptcy? Lose it all? Lmao. Maybe you should lay off the drugs pothead.
@criticalthinker420 Read again 420 I quit because I was forced to. They didn't fire me. I had to quit because my job which you have no idea what field it's in was trying to get me to cut corners and disregard safety protocols that could have endanger myself and the public and so I was forced to quit. Next time read 420. They are settling to avoid getting arrested Genius. You sound like the guy who does whatever he's told even if it's illegal and than when the company gets in trouble they fire you the scape goat. Lol. The employee's under me loved me because I protected their life above all. I'm positive the small company I worked for will go under after the lawsuit. Not everyone is fit to run a company.
My responses keep getting removed so obviously something weird is going on. Moving on and ignoring
I had something similar happen to me. I took my former employer to court and won as well. Definitely hold employers accountable and never let them get away with breaking the law.
Not me but my husband’s colleague, got the firm’s annual “top performer” reward and got fired for poor performance 2 months later🤪
Exact thing happen to me. What a bunch of two faces right
You probably could take that to court and report it to the DOL.
After corporate hears this recording, the HR department needs to be fired next. After 30 years of being over an HR department, this is not the way to handle this situation. Tell the truth and pay the unemployment claims. Who would want to work for this company?
This “layoff team” is trained to do this.
Funny how they want you to give 2 week notice when you quit and if you dont you will be deemed unprofessional yet they can let you go at any time for BS reasons. Some wacky shenanigans if you ask me.
It's unfair. That's why I always snap photos of and read the fine print to see if it is AT WILL employment. Most retail and food service is. They can fire you at anytime without a reason and you can quit as well for any reason without notice. I gave a week's notice out of courtesy and had one boss act funny but I told them about the at will policy and they looked annoyed that I made sense and they didn't need nor deserve two weeks notice for a cashier position they can fire me whenever. I watched them fire someone after that person came in for their shift. They clocked in and started work, were called into the office and let go after they traveled all the way there in the cold and rain on public transportation so they can go to H-E-double hockey sticks.
Never give two weeks.
Make sure to use vacation before hand too, they won’t always pay it out. I had 3 weeks saved and didn’t get any of it paid out.
Join a union and do something about it like every other modern country.
@@michaelandrews4783 yah ...unions aren't what they used to be. They are more about dues then actually helping workers today. I am sure there are good ones but the ones I had to join didn't give a crap about anything but getting money. Nobody where I worked liked them are the rep who never even came by to talk to us. Fricken joke man.
With employers like this I don’t think you’ll ever run out of content…
😂😂😂😂 right.
For me personally I would love to see more companies who do these kind of new hire layoffs (reduction in workforce) exposed for how poorly they are managed. None of this had to happen had the CEO and C-suite execs "read the tea leaves" and not ramped up hiring when other tech companies are doing mass layoffs in 2023. To me this shows all the verifiable signs of extremely poor business leadership and decision making. And in my view the wrong tier of employees are being laid off.
CloudFail
Why is there someone else delivering the message ….
When the business make the decision the manager get an approved script and a list of people
As manager this is one of the most traumatic experiences of your life because you need to deliver a decision not under your control to the people you work with, people you consider friends, know their families and life situations…. Even the decision is not your own, the process is made to feel like you made the call as they would give you the options which of your staff need to go - not IF but WHICH…. it is reduced to an percentage of cost.
You experience this trauma with each of them over and over …. even if you just sit in the call and some consultant deliver the message.
That is why ‘seasoned’ managers often do not build close relationships with the people in their organisation structures - but they fight for the performance measures of their staff… never allow the performance review to be used as the reason.
And this is only mildly bad, they get much much worse
This lady is bright, articulate, and incisive. She'll have no problem finding another job. In my opinion, she's too good for the worms at this company. Their loss will be another company's gain...
I had the same 15min teams meeting 2 weeks ago. By the end of the day they still had not contacted my clients so when my former clients called me to discuss the project I told them I was not working for them anymore. By Monday the clients I was managing for them became my clients.
So I basically got a raise from $60/hr to $125 and I get write offs. Loll. 😂😂
My advice is for everyone to have an LLC at the ready that you can quickly deploy.
dude, this is hilarious. Way to go 💪🏻
I tell my undergrads all the time, loyalty is a one-way street. Your company doesn't care how much a termination will upend your entire existence. No matter how many extra hours and sacrifices you make, they will happily ruin your career, your family, and your life if it saves them a nickel, or even, nothing. Keep your skills current, your professional networks up to date, and your resume ready to go.
Facts
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You are amazing for doing that. So many people, MANY, stay in horrible places because of a loyalty or guilt feeling. I always tell people, companies are not doing you a favor. It is an exchange. You are providing a service and are getting compensated for that. Period.
But they want a 2 week notice when you resign.
It's like that woman working her arse off for Elon Musk, even sleeping in the office, but just laid her off despite her loyalty.
One thing I've learned over the years in working with a major finance company with a HUGE HR dept is this: HR is NOT there to protect the employees. HR's sole purpose is to protect the company. HR is NOT your friend.
HRs primary purpose is to protect itself and milk money from the organisation!
No. HR is still people. So HR’s job is to make sure they themselves are not fired.
For the intra-company affairs, HR is nobody's friend. They're are merely the intermediary taking action on tasks assigned to them from higher ups.
HR does payroll, recruitment, and paperwork involved with hiring, and firings. And advice managers do they dont accidentally cause large fines to the company when employment laws are violated. Why would anyone think they are advocates for the workers?
@@danielch6662 They aren't generally, but really in a sustainable company they need to be. How a company treats employees is a factor in recruitment of talent. Companies that treat their workers better can much more easily attract and retain top talent. As such advocating for employee treatment is an important part of HR as it has positive effect on recruitment.
If I am in a termination call...as soon as they say "We are going to have to let you go". Then I am no longer an employee and I will not be signing anything without my lawyer looking at it firs thanks. I'll get back to you in a few days.
Great response.
You'll gain nothing other than delaying your severance money that way. And if you're actually hiring a lawyer, you're basically throwing away money for 0 gain.
The main issue was that she was not being laid off, she was being fired for inadequate performance before she even had a chance to perform.
This corporation uses the "revolving door" hiring and firing system. She can reapply in a year if she wants to return.
@@DavidHalversonnot likely that she’d want to, is it
She had four months in sales, and failed to close a single sale. She had ample opportunities to perform, and failed every single time.
@@wesjones1417 if the company didn't approve of her performance they would have let her go by the time she finished ramping/ training, she was only on the ground for a month that included closures for Christmas...
If it was actually about her performance then the company/HR would have been able to pull her supervisor's critiques and coachings for the very short time she was in her role AND the company wouldn't be laying off a whole group of employees in back to back meetings.
This was a corporation's attempt to avoid paying out severance pay which they are legally required to do when they do layoffs not firings.
Fired for bad performance effects her unemployment payout. She'll need to fight it with the unemployment agent.
Frankly, if they are this blatantly lying to their own employees, then how honest are they being with their clients? Why should anyone trust this company at all?
Well. In this case, cloudflare is the world's primary anti hacking web site securer. If you have a web site, you either use them or you have no security since no other company in the world is able to do what they do.
None of this makes them right in any way, but nobody with a web site has any choice but to use them. Not using them is an automatic death sentence for your site.
I completely agree there being deceptive. Why is it so hard to simply be blunt, just like Bryan worded it. Were all professional adults here that understand that businesses have metrics to meet. Plus layoffs don’t affect stock value on the company on contrary it benefits companies so I don’t understand the logic of being deceptive which now opened them up to a PR nightmare and potentially a discriminatory lawsuit.
I agree. I was laid off right before Christmas because the contract that I was hired for fell through. But they were honest about it and even asked if I would come back if they got the contract after all and I said yes. They didn't lie to me, I am an adult and understood it was not personal.
I used to work for a really great data company that was purchased by IBM. Our company was decimated over the course of 5 short years, and then the remainder was sold for pennies compared to the purchase price.
What i learned is that these companies are a revolving door, desperately trying to prop up the illusion that they can still offer a value proposition to customers. IBM didn't care about our expertise or about improving our product with the use of Watson. They just wanted to look like they cared about this particular industry, sell products that weren't fleshed out, and "resource action" employees to cut costs. Companies like these don't value real expertise. They will pressure older employees to retire early. It's just a mess and all barely legal (if legal at all).
Honest to their own clients.....interesting perspective. One company made a habit to overcharge the clients on all project quotes, and at the end of the year, all of the left over money in the project accounts was divded up for the fat cat bonuses. How's that for trust worthy.
How do you come to a meeting to fire someone and can’t tell them the reason you’re firing them? 🤣
This baffles me. My first layoff was similar. It was a small company/start up. I was devastated. But the remaining coworkers and the ceo reached out personally and helped us find jobs.
I wish other companies follow this.
They literally said performance. Open your ears 😂
@@ragnarok7976 people can use WORDS all day long, but when they don’t have any actual EXAMPLES that doesn’t mean anything.
@@MojofoeTrust me brother, they could give you examples all day long and you would still think it's bs cause at the end of the day you're gone. And you know what, sometimes it is bs. Just take it on the chin and start applying or go on vacation. No need to be dramatic about it.
@@SnowCompanion what she’s doing isn’t drama sis. This is putting them on blast and holding them accountable. Things don’t change when people are passive and allow others to treat them like a trash can. If that’s how you choose to live your life then blessing to you.
And ACTUALLY he couldn’t give any examples because he started stumbling all over himself.
i know someone who got a payrise and was laid off a week later for performance issues , then a month later the same company came and asked him to come back
he said he better stay away incase the performance issues come back
A champ
You can tell how ethical and moral a company is by watching how HR conducts itself.
Just about 5 years ago, I got laid off from a long-term job. It was in person, with my manager and the HR director. The first thing the manager said was that it wasn't anything to do with my performance, and that the decision came from above him. It was tough, but at least they were honest. Good on her for pushing back against the BS.
Bingo. Their #1 mistake was blaming it on her performance when it was clearly the fact that cLoUdFlArE couldnt afford payroll 🤨
@@IgorBosnjakfx sandwiched between two major holidays. I suppose you ignored that detail. She only had two weeks of full on production. The HR folks here are being dishonest and are potentially walking the company into a lawsuit.
@@IgorBosnjakfx you have very strong opinions for knowing so little about the situation. I think you might have a chauvinist aversion to female confidence and/or you're just a company man who loves big daddy?
@@IgorBosnjakfx whoa pal, you're changing horses in midstream. I barely pushed and you completely fell over! Just a few minutes ago you were reprimanding her for having a bad attitude, now you're conceding she was good standing up for herself??!! And because you asked, I'm a veteran infantry Marine - separated 17+ years ago honorably. And I'm now a licensed electrical contractor in the Midwest. And actually, I do stay in a basement most of the time when I'm not out and about... It's called my man cave! 😂
@@geofferypmeyersright?! I prefer to here they changing the dynamics of the company, or unfortunately they no longer need a certain amount of workers, but stop lying and say it is the workers fault. Just be honest. The company making changes and that is it. 😌
Can I just say that I really admire her communication skills? I stutter and stumble on words all of the time. She's in a high-stress, high-emotion situation, and she's speaking more clearly and confidently than I do casually chatting with friends. That's an extremely valuable soft skill, one that's hard to acquire if it doesn't come naturally. Cloudflare's loss
I agree, I think she did amazing. Much better than I did in that situation.
Cloudflare sucks anyway.
Can you just say? Yes you can.
I agree. I wouldn’t have been as good as she is at standing up for myself
Agree, she seems like she has potential. But Cloudflare probably discovered they can hire offshore remote workers to do the same job for 1/10 the cost...
For 7 months, (6 of them were training), I worked for a state office as a social worker. On my way to work, a guy ran a red light and totaled my car, causing a TBI (traumatic brain injury). When I was unable to return to the job, they waited for my vacation to run out and then terminated me for "poor performance." Only 1 person in the department ever met their standards; she had been there for 14 years. I hired a lawyer, but due to my brain damage, I didn't make the best witness.
Don't ever sign anything. ESPECIALLY if they claim it's a performance issue.
People say the employee fired ruined her future career prospects uploading this. But actually, she is holding these companies accountable for taking advantage of people.
Both can be true. I have sympathy but knowing she’s gotten praise for recording company meetings without consent and releasing them publicly, would you hire her?
@@ca8824 I would i a heartbeat. And I have hired roughly 50-60 people in my career so far
@@ca8824OMG she didn't get their consent!!!!! This sin is UNPARDONABLE!!!!!!!!
@ca8824 - Yes I would. The only people who wouldn’t hire her are those with shady practices to hide.
It's great content for us but I am on the side that recording and uploading this is going to hurt her future prospects. Not a good idea. Always protect your interests!
Used to work in HR. They fire you as opposed to laying you off because if they fire you "with cause" you aren't eligible for unemployment. "Poor performance" is the major reason for "firing" someone in these situations. If they lay you off, and all of you collect unemployment, their unemployment insurance premiums go sky high. It's all about money.
Not selling anything isn’t “for cause”. It’s just performance at that point. For cause is fighting, stealing, insubordination, gross safety violations, etc.
An old employer tried to suspend me for three days over Christmas, after Moving the Goalposts so that I would never succeed: overlapping negative evaluations and evaluation periods with no end in sight. So I reisgned with Immediate Effect, the Unemployment Office ruled it as a Constructive Dismissal and I got Unemployment Benefits that supported me until I re-enlisted a couple months later.
I appreciate the honesty. Can I ask why you no longer work in HR? Tired of being unethical with people so you quit?
This must be the US. I have never heard of unemployment insurance.
I live in the US, in WA state. "Failing" at a job is not cause. You can still collect unemployment. "Cause" has to be either an illegal act or a clear direct violation of a company policy. It's very rare to not qualify for unemployment pay if the company let's you go.
One prominent tech company that I worked for, simply emailed firing notices and de-activated employee badges on a Friday after work hours ended. When I came into work on Monday, I had to walk past newly installed security guards. They were there in case any employees came to retaliate. Disgusting !
I had the worse experience with HR when they told me a colleague had to work “x” hours while I was having chemotherapy. That was followed by “your working remotely has become a burden to the department” and they directed me to stop working until I could return on-site. (Worked remotely due to low white blood cell count after chemo and my autoimmune disorder.) HR manager questioned the validity of my doctor’s note and spoke to me as if I was on trial. It was humiliating and inhumane.
That is a slam dunk case if I ever heard one. Get a lawyer if you can.
These are 3 rules that help keep me grounded.
1. As an employee should show the company as much loyalty as they show you.
2. It's just a job. It's not who I am.
3. You are only a number so don't take it personal.
Btw she completely destroyed them.
Exactly.
Agree except the end. She didn't destroy anything but her own hirability for a while. It was a SALES job. She wasn't selling. She was less than 6 months into the role and presumably still within the probation period.
Out of 1400 salespeople, she was in the bottom 40 and was let go....nothing personal. It has ALWAYS been this way in Sales. Full Stop.
No, she didn't "destroy" them, them being just the HR people who were merely delivering on action items that had been decided by the powers that be.
Plus, if she takes legal action, any chance of getting a job in the future just went down the loo.
@@snazzyd8866 True. They should have been prepared rather than waffle.
Also i love how UNPREPARED hr was for her questions. Take notes guys. If someone is going to be cold, callous and gaslight you, at least give them a little taste of their own medicine!
It's not HR's job to be prepared or knowledgeable. HR is a group of hitmen, they perform firings and reprimands, that's it. HR people are purposefully kept in the dark in order to not reveal anything that would make the company culpable at a later date
I’m thinking the same thing. In fact, I could do a better job at being HR than these two clowns, and I have ZERO HR experience.
And turn off prospective employers of hiring you? No thanks.
@@AspiePilo82 you can defend yourself and ask questions about your termination. Nobody said you have to record it and post to the internet! Re read the comment as it was clearly focused on her asking them pointed questions 📖👓🤯
HR is all about what the lawyers allow you to say. Anyone good at HR obeys.
I’ve been on BOTH sides of this conversation. As a corporate senior manager who had to terminate/layoff staff and the whole process that leads up to it, and as the person getting suddenly laid off over the phone. I can completely relate to both sides. I can tell you, firing someone, even for cause, SUCKS. I hated it. It’s the worst thing I’ve ever had to do. It’s even worse in situations where legal and HR tell you exactly what you can/cannot say. My entire day of firing someone put me in a full-on depression. It sucks. I also received death threats from angry spouses and legitimately feared walking to my car from the office on the day of and following week of a termination.
As far as being the one getting laid off…I know exactly what it’s like to answer a phone to hear HR say I’m laid off, instantly feeling the weight of a force pushing my body down, getting tunnel vision as I glared at the inside of my new house that I knew I would likely lose because I just lost my one and only income. And it was a large income.
But, I took a very large severance and started a business.
I now have multiple incomes, including my own businesses.
Nice to hear you landed on your feet after those experiences, out of curiosity what kind of bussines do you have? I'm also trying to set up something because I was laid off a week ago :(
@@chidowuan4762 I learned AI on UA-cam and do AI consulting for the industry I was in for 24 years
This is exactly why I feel zero need to be “loyal” to whatever company I’m working for. These people in HR seem so disconnected from the average worker. If you own a business, don’t ask me to come work loyally for you and then tell me it’s not personal when I am laid off because you sold the company for a billion dollars. I’ll do my job as best as I can but that’s where it ends for me.
Two quotes that I absolutely love to be mentally prepared for such situations:
1. Love your job and not the company.
2. A bird doesn't worry if the branch he is resting on will break or not.
That's very good advice. Clever bit about the bird not caring if the branch breaks. Young people need to hear this advice. Love your job not the company. Fantastic.
Sorry I’m young, can someone explain? Seems to me when you don’t worry about the branch breaking ( just assuming it will support you) you fail to plan a safety net, and it’s a huge shock when it does break.
I must be missing something. Can anyone clarify please?
@@icu3869 since the bird has wings it need not worry if the branch breaks. It will fly away and sit on another branch. Similarly, I need to be so self sufficient or confident about my skills (read wings) that it wouldn’t matter if I loose the job.
@@soumen_dasYes, it's a daft aphorism...
@cheapchipsable huh? Can you elaborate?
As someone who’s been through this exact thing - the employer is stating that it’s performance, because if they layoff due to downsizing, they have to pay your unemployment benefits.
Yup, they are lying to save their own arses.
I see this all the time. Why is it so hard for people to understand that of course the company is going to try to characterize this as a performance issue, because if they call it fired for cause then the company does not get charged higher unemployment tax rates. Follow the money! Of course companies will lie, they are directly compensated for doing so. The entire unemployment benefit system is a corrupt mess, and it hurts most the people who can afford it the least.
This woman didn't sell anything or make any money at all for the company during her time there apparently. Pretty sure its performance based and this is just an entitled brat who tanked future job prospects because of main character syndrome.
in her case she hasn't been there long enough. she may be able to draw on her last job.
I don't think that's true in California. According to the state website, it doesn't matter if you get laid off or fired as long as you don't get fired for misconduct. I don't think under performance falls under misconduct.
Oh wow. I’m so glad I’m the owner of my own company. I only have had to fire one person and that person failed to show up for work four days in a row without calling off or contacting anyone. I’d hire this girl just because she’s got a spine!
I worked for a Manufacturing Co for 13 years when I was younger. The owner had to face laying many people off several times because of the nature of the business. The owner was so graceful and considerate towards all his employees as he understood that he would not have a company if it were not for them. He never hid behind HR and would hold a company meeting to speak to everyone explaining the financial difficulty, he would ask for suggestions and even volunteers and believe it or not there were always people who would volunteer to be laid off or move to different departments. He would allow for suggestions. He would pour his heart out to his employees and you could tell it hurt him to lay people off. One year everyone cut their own hours so that everyone could still work 32 hours. He treated everyone with respect and value and that is how it should be done. Just be honest and show some compassion and that will make it easier for everyone. Don't devalue people because you can no longer afford them or have a different vision.
Corporations wonder why there’s been a great resignation, and why good employees are so hard to find. Bottom line, they don’t deserve them.
THIS.. exactly THIS.. this should be the highest rated comment.
Absolutely, their is no reason to work for a corporation. A number on a page is all you are, if we know anything, it's that NOTHING matters other than PROFIT.
Especially you. Stop applying and start local.
That’s what you get buying into big corps, and big titles for your instagram and tik tok. A sterile letting go of. Small biz will always be the backbone
It’s just a job.
I found while WORKING here in the last 40+yrs that the ones REALLY Working Hard are held to a higher standard than those who don't. Belonging to the Group that brown noses around often Ineffective "mismanagement" even gets you repeatedly 2hr breaks.....AND YES....some even SLEEP on Duty in front of the Camera !!! I'm NOT Lying here !! Worked 15 of my 19yrs in Miami DadeCounty Jails.....just remember...you have to be from the fitting culture,color too !!!!
German Immigrant to Florida 40yrs ago.
FORMER RN 😊😊😊FORMER !!!
Remember H/R is not your friend nor will they ever be, they work for the company and you are human resources its in the name !
Lady definitely has a deep throat with no gag
They add little to no value to a business at best.
HR's main priority is to protect the company from being sued by the employee.
@@untouchable360x they're doing a terrible job
No regard for their employees what-so-ever: You're just a number. My heart goes out to that young woman, her former peers and all of the others who are in line for the corporate Fascists and their lackeys who treat people like they are taking used receptacles to the Recycle Bin.
And if most all of it ends up in the dump anyway, is no real concern to them. Not really. They can say what they want, but the noise of what they are actually doing drowns that out their evasive utterances like white noise.
Anyone with a sliver of compassion would leave that position at the first opportunity. Anyone with a sliver of a bran would realize "If they'll do that to them..." and leave that position at the first opportunity.
But no, they are there to get paid to do what they do. It's their job, glorified custodians that apparently manage to sleep at night, but I don't see how they can. They have to at least know at some level that the same thing can come back an hit them, at least in a "karmic" sense.
Our CEO sent a companywide email explaining they were reorganizing. In the 19th paragraph, we were informed that our department in every office (except at HQ) was being laid off. So hundreds of coworkers knew we were being 86'd before we did.
First, you are never going to argue your way out of being let go. That said, getting the HR person to state the reason(s) on audio or in writing will help for the lawsuit that you should definitely file.
The way this was done was shady. They framed it as being fired for underperforming when it was in fact a layoff. Where I live, people who are fired don't get severance and can't file for unemployment (which the employer pays for), while people who are laid off must be paid severance and can get unemployment. I suspect the reason they tried to say her performance was lacking was to avoid the cost of severance and unemployment. Get a lawyer.
My guess is that this is what they were trying to prevent.. I would be curious to see if anyone filed.
It doesn’t matter. The fact that you still don’t grasp that they’ve been having employees sign paperwork on day of hiring that days your job can let you go WITHOUT CAUSE at any given time. You sign that to be hired meaning NO YOU CANT SUE WHEN YOURE LET GO. THEY CAN LET YOU GO FOR ANY REASON OR NONE. This is bc sometimes, MOST TIMES, the employee has a shitty personality and no HR rep is going to tell you that your energy is killing the vibe in the office…so they always use the ole under performance excuse. Bc they know they are protected either way.
This clause has been active for 30+ year. Good luck wasting ur time and money.
@@DrLauraRPalmer It absolutely does matter. Your employment might be at will but that does not mean they can legally terminate you for any reason. If they terminate you without cause aka laying you off, you are eligible for benefits (severance, unemployment compensation, etc). They cannot legally misclassify your termination as for cause("performance metrics") to deny you benefits.
@@ZackForester they do change classification in Florida. If they fire u for being gay, they can put poor performance on form
@@ZackForester It also depends on the state and the states laws.
I went through this 20 years ago at AT&T after that I rented a retail space and opened up my own small buisness doing taxes and bookkeeping, I worked hard and I am financially secure and could retire tomorrow if I wanted too. I would rather shovel snow and cut grass self employed than ever work for these heartless soulless companies.
An employee invests a lot just accepting the job in the first place. Often they move to a new location, maybe buy a car, rent an apartment, even buy a home, change a relationship to physically be there. They turn down another job or leave other employment for what appears to be a better opportunity. When fired for some kind of cause, all their security in the new situation vanishes. Now their health insurance is gone and that is a giant perk few understand. The question "Why were you let go?" will jeopardize new job opportunities.
That's great! It makes me feel very hopeful (and proud of you) to read this. I'm so happy when people stick up for themselves
OMG!! I Have sooo much respect for you and what you did and especialy what you went thru and rebounded with VICTORY on your side. F-'um if they cant take a joke. soulless heartless! YOU nailed it. Tons of respect and appreciation !! Maybe someone else will take a lead in their own lives, when they read this, than put up with this totally heatless bullshit.
Same here. I worked for different company’s and got laid off twice sucks. Now I’m in the chip and snack business I’m my own boss started servicing two stores and now I service 40 accounts. Started small but I build my route in 2 years.
If your company would hit the fan and you will have to sack them all, what would you do? :D be souless and tell them exact same busllhit, there is no good or bad guys here :) just people who get fired and people who don't :)
Brittany Peach, you are awesome. She made them look so stupid that they may seek new employment! She may have gotten terminated but they took the massive L.
I work in HR and I've never fired anyone that we couldn't prove that they weren't meeting expectations and hadn't been previously warned about their performance issues. If I was asked to fire people for no reason, I'd tender my resignation.
It is traumatic to lose your job and I would never do that to someone who didn't deserve it. I always make sure to double check everything when we discuss terminations. I make sure it's warranted.
The "nice to meet you" while being fired is INSANE
You'd rather get "Hi douchebag, you're fired"?
Yep. Meant to protect those you actually work for from the discomfort of firing you.
Yep. Meant to protect those you actually work for from the discomfort of firing you.
Yep. Meant to protect those you actually work for from the discomfort of firing you.
Yep. Meant to protect those you actually work for from the discomfort of firing you.
I had a friend laid off after 27 years with a company. 27 years and they discarded him like a piece of trash. Luckily he was smart with money and a good saver and investor.
They hire you to do a job. I would say working 27 years at one job shows a great work culture. Also, good for him. If he had work 27 years and not been financially stable he would have no one to blame but himself.
@@MrTwenty6point2dumbass bootlicker
@@MrTwenty6point2 Everything you said is completely correct, but they’re all very silly points to make in response to OP’s comment. Laying someone off without notice after 27 years may be a perfectly prudent thing to do, but it’s also a bit heartless
@@MrTwenty6point2Staying at a job for 27 years isn't a result of a "good work culture", it's due to being stable employment that provides health insurance. People stay in government jobs forever for the benefits, not because government is a great place to work - on the contrary government environments are very toxic.
@@SurpriseMeJT I agree. I sold my soul to a government job to afford treatments for an extremely pricey autoimmune disease. I’m not sure what the point to even being alive is anymore.
I was wrongfully dismissed by a company and they tried to get away with trying to get me to sign away my 6 weeks severance pay. They still fought tooth and nail and refused to pay it. They even tried to get me to sign it away by offering me one weeks severance. Even after talking with them and telling them that I have been in touch with the MOL and informing them that I'm aware that they are legally required to pay me adequate severance. They still refused. I had to sue them for it...
I'm so proud of this young woman for telling these people the truth and not allowing them to get away with this word vomit.
I’ll never regret no longer working in HR. You’re just the fall person that does the dirty work for management.
T H I S
I hate America’s work culture
Maybe if we spread the truth about working in HR wide enough, people will stop applying and the entire concept of an HR department will vanish, leaving management open, exposed, and unprotected from the wrath of the people they have so consistently wronged.
good choice you made
You may be surprised that some people do enjoy it.
I love this young woman. So composed and confident. A lot of people, not just women, would start tearing up and shutting down.
I also love how she prolongs the meeting when it is clear that the people on the other end want it to be over and to move on to the next poor soul.
She was rude.
@@KayDejaVu It's not rude to ask for clarification on why your life is being disrupted seemingly out of nowhere.
@@KayDejaVu Is it rude to tell a criminal that they are lying?
@@KayDejaVu
I suspect you levy that determination upon anyone with whom you disagree.
It's invalid.
That girl is old school! Direct, no nonsense, in your face. Love it!! Get to the point and keep it real or you can hitting the bricks with that nonsense. She should start her own business. She’s got the guts for it.
Smart companies will not state that a layoff is performance based. Everyone should know layoffs are a COMPANY performance failure, rather than any individual employee issue. Companies use to know this.
I love that this young lady rang the bs alarm on them. Good job!
Having been laid off via mass email last February (worked at the company 9 years when it got bought by an overseas investor), watching this video gave me the sense of closure I’ve desperately needed. This girl said so many things I wish I had the chance to say. Thanks for covering this!
No problem. Mass emails are ridiculous.
I hope you are doing good I wish the best a better future but it’s sad nowadays the corporate world it’s very harsh and I don’t know what was yuor job but tech sales it’s hard it’s very difficult and demanding very it’s not easy money
HR protect themselves they are trained to speak like that
It had nothing to do with you it’s them they have their own motives to let you go that yu never know yu did a great job believe me when a company decides to let go of employees they will let you go regardless how hard yu worked don’t take it personal I know after 9 years secured job it’s awful feeling sorry but it’s going on all over look into videos of this how companies sneak treat employees
A mass email is heinous, but at least it’s impersonal. These people were blaming the employee for poor performance, as if it were personal when her only mistake was in being a recent hire when they were told to layoff a certain number of people.
I was once asked to reduce a department by 75% because the company’s revenue had dropped by 50% and costs had risen. I told everyone that the criteria was first in first out, but outstanding members would be highly considered. The process took just over a month. Everyone was given a glowing reference letter, and was told that they would be contacted when the business recovered and we were hiring.again. Everyone understood the situation, most left on good terms, many accepted the offer of employment when the company overcame its problems.
The key is to be honest in the hire and fire. Good and loyal employees are hard to find.
Why 1st in 1st out ? Basically people with longer tenures that shows loyalty get punished.
That was a typo, it was meant to be last in first out
Most of them undertood because you told the truth
Do you mean, last in - first out? Or were you actually firing the longest term employees? (Not that that means anything, sometimes the long-timers are less efficient and more resistant to change, just clarifying).
The longer they were with the company, the more likely they were to stay. You tell them what the criteria is for letting them go. You let them know it’s impartial and no way reflects performance. You will be welcomed back once profits change. You give them a glowing termination letter. It is critical that former employees are given confidence once they are terminated, and not dispair. This termination could have been handled much better. Treating employees like this has a record of hurting the company’s productivity and reputation
In Texas emplyment is at will... and all the employer has to say is: "Your job performance does not meet our expectations". Every day I see more people on the streets and some are people with dissabilities with benefits.
Amazing CEO comment: "the mistake was not being as kind and humane as we were."
He claims they are kind and humane?
No. Their mistake was lack of integrity, being dishonest. Period. (Failing to tell the truth is a form of dishonesty.)
When my mother, along with a bunch of others, was chucked out the door for 'excessive age' her direct supervisor nearly blew a gasket. The excuse they used was 'we don't need your department at that plant, so we don't need you.' 90 days later they hired a fresh out of school young lady to staff the now re-opened department. HOWEVER Mom's attorney said: "YES you have a great case for age discriminations BUT the deal they are offering is health care for LIFE!!" In the end said health care covered Mom and later Dad through multiple bouts of cancer over multiple decades. THAT was expensive!
Awesome! Good for her!
Sometimes, things we see as terrible events in our life are really gifts. God knows what's coming down the road and what you need to get through it.
Healthcare for life isn’t any severance I’ve ever heard of. COBRA benefits suck ass - companies should have to cover all of the cost while you are on unemployment.
@@Danielle-zq7kbwhy?
Your mom made out well. That must have been a long time ago. These days companies barely want to cover healthcare for existing employees.
I think my key takeaway was "you're not being singled out".
You mean my whole department is under-performing? Why weren't we put on performance improvement plans? Is the whole department being let go because a manager failed to meet their metrics?
Or maybe, okay, then how do you know that my performance has been substandard compared to others?
Corporations aren't people, and the higher up the corporate ladder you get, the less human you are.
Management is not your friend, HR is not your friend. your employer is not your friend. You a literally just a number that gets paid to perform tasks.
At one time I was working in the O&G industry, my team had an impromptu meeting one day with the HR representative in the area. She laid off all the staff. At the end she was laughing at us until she got a phone call from higher HR and he told her that she was also on the next bus. This put a smile on my face this day.
That is a common occurrence. They often pass the job of laying staff off to someone who's going to be receiving the same message in the not too distant future. I suppose, to their mind, it minimises the 'stench' that lingers...
How could she laugh at you and your team after laying you off? What the F?
No idea, some people are sadistic like that, or maybe it was a kind of reaction, as she already knew that she will be the last one on the list. I don't care anymore.
A classic example of what goes around, COMES around!
Instant Karma.
The ultimate sign of disrespect from a company: Appoint some flunkies with no knowledge of your work history or performance to fire you while everyone you did work for goes and hides.
It’s a big company trimming the fat 🤷♀️ she herself admitted she made ZERO contracts (and closing contracts is her job). So the company has been paying her for over 4 months for nothing in return 🤷♀️ companies want results and are in the business of making money, not keeping ppl around who don’t achieve their objectives 🤷♀️ if u don’t know “ramping up” is when u have a manager or someone who has more experience there for u as a support system- so if u have questions and whatnot they are there for u and generally they will sit in on contact closings to make sure it goes well… so she has had 3 months of that plus 1 month of being fully on her own with zero contracts 🤷♀️ therefore her performance is the worst
@@candicecart9786Your argument doesn't hold up.
She barely had any actual work time yet due to when she was hired.
All her feedback received up to that point had been positive.
So it clearly was not performance.
@@thelastvigil111 she has been working since August and has had $0 sales ...nothing
@@duermedespierto you're missing the point. She met tbe expectations thst were set for her and she had received nothing but positive feedback.
Sounds like her own boss didn't know.
Its insane how inhumane corporates are.
When one investment company basically owns every corporation in America (having a large amount of shares in every major company or organization), it's hard for that board of people to care about the delegations they make for millions of people. It's hard to care about millions of people. They own us all, a monopoly. Investment companies should be outlawed
I’m not sure exactly what this woman did at this company but she has such a confident calm about her. So many of us (me included) would not be able to stand up for ourselves the way she did. The fact that she had these two professionals stumbling over their words, chucking out generic greeting card platitudes & repeating themselves speaks of her professionalism & their ineptitude.
I’m not sure how she’d put these skills to use but there’s got to be a lucrative living for her somewhere in there.
Brittany if you read this, honey you can achieve anything you want in life. Don’t let anyone tell you anything different. Good luck. 🌻x
Long, long ago, I was advised to never befriend or speak willingly with any in HR. They will take anything out of context, betray your trust and turn it against you.
At minimum you should be very very careful if at any point you're being asked to take part in a meeting where anyone from HR is present. My former employer learned very quickly to not involve HR with me directly because I will verbally go after and destroy HR if they open their mouth, easy enough since they know less than zero about actual productive work. Any meeting with me and HR just became me trashing HR and being right, so it wasn't "productive" for them heh. I've been recently terminated, but apparently HR refused to touch it so just my manager alone doing it. He also made promises they haven't kept, and tried to tell me I could keep the company mobile phone that they never gave me 🤣🤣 which was quite funny in a sad way... I was terminated because I broke my back + other related health issues meant I couldn't go to the office, so I worked remote until they shut my account off and filed to terminate me.
I worked in HR , and always advocated for the employees ~. But yes I was a ship at sea alone when it came to that!
@@noth606That happened to me when I was young. The company had meetings that it said was to improve the company. During the meeting about 30 of us were around a large conference table. Nobody answered any questions or engaged in a discussion while the two HR people tried everything to get us to comment or discuss anything they brought up. Finally one of my coworkers from our group made a comment. Everyone looked around at each other. I spoke ip in agreement with my colleague. After the meeting he went up to the HR Director and totally backtracked everything he commented on. I overheard him, but felt like I couldn’t say anything. I also thought it was really bizarre. I got laid off a month later with several others who were at different meetings. My colleague kept his job. I will never forget this lesson.
I love this young lady's discernment. She's no slow leak as we say in the South . God Bless and I pray he opens a door for her somewhere that her hard work will be appreciated . Companies look at you as disposable in most circumstances like this. I hope she at least got unemployment .
Agreed. It's not that everyone in hr is bad, it's that the snakes are SNAKES and there's so many people who almost seem to delight in others misfortune
Love how these companies demand your loyalty but do not even consider you to be a human being once a spread sheet hits the table.
All corporations demand loyalty from all their employees but they are not loyal with their employees when it actually matters
I think loyalty on both sides have mostly disappeared. Companies that are loyal are out there and they mostly have loyal employees
Loyalty is a two-way street. Although it’s can reasonably be seen to be harsh for an employer to suddenly terminate their employees, the employees can easily do the same.
If your boss says "hey we're all family here" immediately correct them "NO we are not. Family doesn't fire you at the earliest convenience. Family doesn't fire you even after your death. We are just here to trade our time for a little money, and that's all there is to this job. We are not family. We're employees."
Once you leave the negotiating table, you become a statistic on a payscale to be cost-managed. From that point on, it is HR's (and management's) job to psycho-manipulate you into higher productivity without additional pay. If using the word "family" motivates employees to work harder and not leave the company for higher pay, then so be it.
They give the excuse of performance because they don't want to pay unemployment. If they can make you believe you are being fired rather than laid off, they hope you won't seek unemployment, or that you will be denied for being fired.
It's very traumatic, especially when you have been working your cheeks off, and someone is telling you your performance is crap makes you feel like your never going to be good enough
I can’t get over the HR lady saying they don’t have time to discuss details on this short call when HR are scheduling the calls.
Typical corporate
You do understand that they have other people to fire, right? They have already sent out the meeting invites. There is a schedule to keep.
@heinzerbrew was going to say same thing.
@@heinzerbrew That seems like a scheduling issue. Why would you not schedule time to explain why you're firing people, in between all the people you're firing? If anything, perhaps HR needed to be fired, for poor performance.
I'm about to upend peoples lives, with zero notice. They have rent/mortgage, bills, their lives likely depend on making steady money. Yet you don't schedule atleast 30min to discuss how you're potentially leaving them homeless and their kids hungry?
In other words, HR is not going to allow the conversation to drag on for a useless rebuttal. Terminations should be short. There is not much to discuss in the mind of HR.
How is a company gonna say you’re fired because of performance, but not be able to IMMEDIATELY produce data to back it up!?! How is that NOT wrongful termination!?!
The data is she made ZERO sales in a sales job. It is kind of obvious 😂
@@22wabbit not in at-will states
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@@jimbojones9118 They didn't have to give a reason. But they did. That's the problem.
If they had said "we're moving in another direction, bye" that's a consequence of at-will employment. No reason needed.
Once you make a claim about performance, you're open to being questioned about it. And that can lead to consequences, especially if you're violating employment rules. At-will isn't a "get out of discrimination free card" for example.
I'm not a lawyer, but I know this topic well enough to know this was a risk.
Self evident she made no sales
HR is NEVER an advocate for the employee. NEVER Forget that.
Agree, the sad part is that a lot of employees think that HR is there to protect them. HR reports to upper management and they are not your friend.
Agreed
One thing one should never do is worry about what's going on with other people.
HR people are not your friends. Their job is to save money for the company. If you're new or too senior, you're always at risk of being cut.
That part! I put way too much trust in HR and got screwed over pretty badly. HR is not there to protect you. HR is there to protect the company from you.
😂that's every job!! Funny af
@@colettejaques2559 Maybe that's 'Only in America' ?
[Not maybe]
@@PirateCommander I just don't think that large companies around the world have shown they're any better in this regard than American companies are.
@@PortlandMark67 Oh, I'm fully accepting they can be very American in that way, but it's not as prolific / across the board. The difference is probably in the employee rights laws which the current UK clown train is hell bent on relieving them of ?
Fair comment and good to see someone actually dispute something in a mannerly fashion. Kudos.
I worked for a huge bank. They fired people left and right. whole departments would be gone in the blink of an eye. There was a management guy in a cubicle near me and he had been there 20 years - one day I came in and he wasn't there. He had been let go. There was a group of people who got hired and then let go 6 weeks later .... the bank said they changed their mind about the new dept - too bad for you. So all those people gave up other jobs to work there and were unemployed 6 weeks later. The way companies act towards employees is disgusting.
Only in America
your livelihood hangs from the whims of a clueless group of executives who make stupid and unpredictable decisions to please shareholders, often unsuccessfully. work for yourself
@@momoneyinvestingIf they're foolish, the business will fail.
Should employees not be allowed to leave a company unless they document a bunch of problems and go through a big process?
@@nwatson2773America is better than most places regarding this and a lot of other things. Take the blinders off.
@@nwatson2773no if you work for American companies in a decent country even then American companies tries to do this and often they get sued big time. It’s actually happening more often than not now. American companies suck period.
Worked at fortune 10 companies for 25 years and was tired of the same conversations that was on this video. Started my own consulting business and never been happier 🎉
And companies wonder why we had a lot of people quit their jobs. People are tired of losing their jobs and going through a process of finding a new job only to be constantly rejected just like people are constantly rejected when looking for a bf/gf. For those not losing their jobs they are tired of not being paid enough despite working their lives away.
I got laid off during the pandemic. It was by my manager and he was honest and upfront about it, didn't try to bs or anything. So when things changed 6 months later at the company I was rehired and we had a good working relationship. I even brought in a former coworker when we had a position open up. Because of that, when I eventually left for a different opportunity, I was happy to take a few phone calls from my previous coworkers when they had questions that didn't get answered when I was handing over my projects. It's not uncommon for you to run into people you know again in the industry so it's best to treat everyone well.
Well, the reason for the layoff was undoubtedly legit, so telling you the truth wasn't a problem. When they refuse to give you a valid reason it's because they're doing something wrong and they know it.
It feels like talking to a politician that keeps evading the question with complete nonsensical answers
When that happens, remind them that they did not answer your question. Then repeat the question, and if they still are not giving you an answer, ask to speak with someone else.
@@judyheller"you'll be hearing from my attorney" is what HR should be told in these cases. Give them a reason to shit bricks knowing they've just potentially exposed the firm to litigation.
Right, they are trying to say they are letting her go 'for cause' rather than because it was a layoff. So glad she is willing to speak up for herself.
My daughter was laid off along with the majority of people in her dept. She was offered one single month severance.
They then called her a few weeks later and offered her an entry level job in the same dept at reduced pay and benefits.
She would have to give up her severance if she wanted it.
This is why you don't show any loyalty to a corporation. Be a merc and be prepared to jump ship at any time.
Work efficiency has increased over 200% in the last couple of years while wages have remained pretty much stagnant about 3% increase.
Unfortunately, great advice.
Exactly… Also I get as a new hire it’s horrible to be let go, but at the same time I feel like she’s acting like she has been at the job for 35 years and actually closed contracts 😂 and is just meeting some randos 🤷♀️ companies pay u- they aren’t your friend or family, that’s why they pay u 😂
Huhu but jumping from company to another company at age 20’s might be okay, but past that age, not that much job people want to hire tho, especially in office work related. Atleast in my country area.
Short sweet and true !
As a manager, I would quit my job if my company was laying people off without me being there and without my input. I value treating my team members as a humans with families. This is cold and calculating. The composure and passion this lady has is very valuable. Good luck on her future endeavors.
my manager wasn't even in the office the day that I got laid off. i think he had the day on PTO if i remember right. fuck Allianz Life.
You would get replaced
"Ok bye" is what the company will say. Been there, seen that.
clearly someone who does not have a mortgage. When you get a mortgage you are trapped.
The manager was probably already fired.
These new company methods are so disgustingly impersonal. They wont even fire you face to face anymore.
HR is the worst thing that EVER happened to business.
I love how she is defending herself. This would be unheard of in my day. Termination with cause can also effect Unemployment benefits. Hope she fights it. Remember 1980’s early 1990’s they did this to people who gave 20 years of their lives. Never trust a company to be there tomorrow.
Yup, most companies will drop you the second they don't need you!
She wouldn't have an issue getting unemployment (depending on if she's claimed unemployment elsewhere in the past year)
But putting it on social media was a real dumb idea. More and more companies as part as of a background check are doing a social media check. If this video comes up most prospective employers are going to trash can her resume/application.
@@georgeromey4971Disagree. I'd hire her. She has a spine.
Good for her! I am glad she is pushing back! The company acted shady on their part.
I was laid off once. It was in Dubai, by a local HR.
When I got the 'call', I knew at once what it was. And, in the meeting all the guy had to do was to show some empathy... and it ended with ME sympathizing with HIM for having to do this crappy assignment.
That is all it takes. Wonder why so few HR get it?
I feel like she'll have a possible lawsuit. They didn't say she was being downsized. They said she was being let go due to performance issues that they couldn't produce. Basically, lying on her.
Where is she though? Not sure there's as much protection for employees outside the EU? (Ahem, America)
In the US if I fire someone for cause I need the process fully documented. Inform the employee of performance problems, track their performance, deliver a PIP (performance improvement plan) if things aren't improving and finally let them go. At that point they know it's coming. I've never let someone go with cause that didn't have ample time to get their act together.
Failing all that, it's very common for someone to sue for unlawful termination and get paid.
Idk, she admitted herself she made no sales as a sales person, at a time of year when people had leftover budgets to spend. I get she was new, and maybe it was just poor luck that she didn't close any deals, but it seriously does sound like she had an opportunity to close some deals but was unable to by her own admission. Sounds like the company does have a leg to stand on, even if it's crappy of them.
How much money do you think she has set aside for a lawsuit? It sounds like she’s just starting her career.
@DovidM if you have a case that's at all likely to win, an attorney will take it and take their fee out of the judgment awarded to you.
What Ive noticed over the years of working for corporations is that after they hire you they immediately start looking for reasons to fire you. I never understood that logic.
Man, I went through this myself at a delivery job. I was let go despite showing really good ratings and stuff. The first thing I did was call my then supervisor. Of course after telling him I was let go. He was shocked, because he knew I did a damn good job at my work. Always followed their rules and done everything by the book. He offered to be my reference if I needed one. At the time, he saw me come into the office he thought I was either getting a promotion, or two, doing some sort of training, as I technically didn't finish my computer training at the time and I asked about it. Even the people letting me go strung me along because the manager at the time gave me positive emails and said that he will look into getting me to finish my computer training albeit as a formality. The day I was to come in, I was under the impression that I would finish my training. But they even had the gall to mention it as one of the first things they told me. Then said that I am being let go. Even without probable cause. I was pretty mad.
Not in the US though.
Plain and simple, trying to rework a layoff as a "performance" termination should be seen as a libelous action that can be a loss of earning capacity, putting the employer in a legally actionable position.
Yes!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
She said herself she had made zero sales. Nobody is having to rework anything to make it a performance layoff.
Entitled millennials….. they can fire you and ain’t got to give you a reason. I’d fire her too. She should’ve went to work for Vince McMahon 😂
Too soon?
@KingZofDa919 I can't stand old croaks who act so haughty 🙄
Yes, employers have a right to fire you for no reason or any reason WHEN IT'S LEGAL.
@KingZofDa919 o you mean the millenials and Gen z that have basically decided to collapse both the economy and social structure of the country. You better start being nice to them cause soon your future descendants will be latino and the United States of Mexico won't look at all like the current country.
I LOVE THIS ENERGY! that "YUP, i'm gonna stop you right there.." is what employees need to start giving to these employers who belittle and disrespect us day in day out.
100%
Completely agree.
Sadly many employees won't have the words to follow that. People freeze, get choked up, jittery, nervous, depressed, angry, all kinds of emotions that will inhibit their ability to handle this as well as she did. Some people (ok many people) are bad at communicating clearly while suffering such an experience, let alone controlling or concealing their emotional state.
Some can however, and as we see...they do.
If you want the aggravation, knowing you won't really get anything back for it? -- And -- you need to have a point. Because the HR person could actually be smart - this one didn't sound too informed.
😂😂😂No. they should’ve terminated the call.
Thank you very much for doing these videos to share others experiences that we have all experienced in one form or another from employers who couldn’t live without us when we were coming to work with them, but HR tried to get rid of me for complete lies from fellow employees and supervisor.
I once had HR accuse me of discrimination (had no details though) and they admitted that there was no evidence, but they felt that I still did something wrong. I wasn't fired or even disciplined, but was asked to apologize and take classes. I ended up refusing and still ended up working with them for 5 more years. Just proves it was pure BS. Lost a lot of trust in HR after that.
Had one job 30 years ago, where at the Christmas party I am praised by CEO and received standing ovation and had great year. Went on holidays, came back & told I screwed up & laid off.
Sounds about right
what was the supposed screw up? how did they try to justify the discrepancy between pre/post holiday feedback?
😮 I'm so sorry to hear that.
Why say this with NO Explanation ? Soundz like 🐂💩
holidays, very dangerous for jobs
This is a clear case of a "we(management) messed up and hired too many people, but we can't admit that because that would mean our performance was lacking so let's just say these random people's performance was not up to our standards so it's their fault they are being let go and not ours" situation.
She was a sales person and didn’t close a single deal in four months… That is not hiring too many people, that is hiring the wrong person - which they corrected!
Yes, this. Everyone else has their own little conspiracy theories, but just like every other tech company, they misread the market and overhired. There either was not enough business out there to sustain the sales team they hired or their strategy and approach has failed to enable them.
@@EarlHayward You could make that case if they weren't mass firing people. One firing is usually the employee's fault, a lot of firings is almost certainly the company's fault.
@TheNidface, so what is the company supposed to do. She relayed that other colleagues were getting laid off. Should the company just suck it in and keep employing people when profits are dropping or person is a low performer?
@@factorfitness3713 except they were definitely firing a lot of people around her. That's how she knew to record the conversation. She heard of this happening to her coworkers. companies mess up all the time, and sometimes things happen that are out of the companies control (IE- the pandemic). just because a company made the mistake- doesnt mean they should be forced to go under because of it.
I'm eternally grateful to one of my previous employers for giving me a layoff story that I can share at interviews and with friends.
The employer was leasing an office space but was planning to move to a new unit. They requested planning permission to move the toilets in the new unit. They decided to not to renew the lease on their existing office space before receiving planning permission on their new unit. Yeah, uh, that was a mistake, as they had to explain to me that they did not get the planning permission and thus did not have an office to do business from, or for me to work from.