MACH N CHEESE GOES SUPERCHARGING
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- Today, join me and my Mach-E as we try to grab some electrons at the Tesla Supercharger in Scotts Valley, CA. At the time of filming, this location is one of 10 in the United States (and 1 of 2 in California) that have been opened by Tesla to charge “Non-Teslas.” Climb aboard for this week’s adventure with your favorite Non-Tesla!
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00:00 Introduction & Expectations
03:07 Journey to Scotts Valley, CA
04:28 Arrival & Initiating Charging
07:55 “A Couple of Percent In”
09:22 Location Tour and Impressions
10:52 Unplugging at 80%
11:34 Summary & Closing Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
You beat me to it; I was thinking of doing the same run! Thanks for the trip! (Richsi on Mach-E Forum). Maybe we should set up a meet up sometime of Mach-E owners in the bay area!
I'm up for it!
Who would of thunk a year ago, right? Yet, here we are. Exciting times!!!!
Love this yellow color 😍. Sad they discontinued it
I know -- so sad. Honestly the best thing about the car.
They should standardize charge port location for passenger cars moving forward. It should be regulated because having shorter charger cables actually makes the chargers more reliable. No cords dragging on the ground and less prone to dropped plugs. Bjorn Nyland recently did a charger design review for Circle K in one of his videos.
Yes saw that one -- I agree with you that there's some work to be done here, but I'm not sure how practical it will be to mandate charge port location. Gas stations have solved this issue through having pull-thru pump configuration. I expect that, long-term, charge dispensers will follow suit. It remains to be seen how much adaptation Tesla will do to accomodate non-Tesla cars however. I think Tesla is in it for the Federal funding, not to build a business charging competitors' vehicles.
@@ev_kimchi Sure, ultimately charging stations will replace gas stations which will all be pull through. But that requires far more investment, which is currently done by gas station chains and mom&pop operators. Currently, placing them in the back of a parking lot seems to be the cheapest way to deploy more stations. Business owners are fine with it because it takes up very little of their lot space, and the charging people will patronize businesses. It's incredibly easy to regulate on passenger vehicles because all the EV's without a frunk tend to put their EV components in the engine bay anyways. So placing the port on the front right corner would be easy. They have the choice of front right or rear left. Then all charge stations would shorten their cables.
Thing about charging stations they dont work half the time. HyVee by me had 6 of them but they had so many problems with them they eventually took them out.
Tesla Superchargers are generally pretty reliable. It's one of the last remaining advantages Tesla has over other brands, but the Federal money available is forcing their hand to open up their infrastructure. Electrify America and EVgo both have truly poor customer experience in terms of reliability and charge performance.
25% price increase over EA is pretty steep and the short cord length and awkward charger placement probably relegates these to emergency only.
Agree! But emergencies seem to happen often relying on Electrify America in California.
Yes....these chargers are horrible and you will have a horrible experience....go back to EA where you will have the time of your life.
Nice trip and great content! Cool to see how easy it is, especially in that stall with the driver's side charging post. I would have been interested to see how the Mach-E could have negotiated one of the other charging stalls with the conventionally placed chargers in front. I'm almost thinking it can't do it if there's anything placed between the charging posts.
There are some videos of owners who have tried the typical end-mounted dispensers, and it works but you have to pull forward very far. Also, you have to use the stall to the right of the dispenser, which leaves the next dispenser over unavailable to a Tesla driver. You can see this problem if you look in my video and notice the Mercedes EQS SUV and where it had to park. This is actually the position that a Tesla using the next dispenser over would need to park in. This will be a big problem if Tesla doesn't think of a solution before rolling this out at scale, because it will reduce the capacity of a supercharger location potentially by half for each Non-Tesla that charges there.
@@ev_kimchi the MME's long hood seems like the biggest impediment to easy charging at a Supercharger. That bent post is literally a sign of things to come because of that absurdly short cable. Fingers crossed that V4 solves this problem. Tesla owners are already grumbling about stalls with unavailable chargers.
Not much is known yet about V4, which are just starting to be installed in EU apparently first. They are known to have longer cables, but their design does not have provision for the same industrial design of the Magic Dock in these chargers. So they'll have to have some other design for the Magic Doc for V4 chargers. I think a larger problem is that their stall design will cause lots of parking and blocking drama if they roll this out at scale without any further redesign of their stations.
It may take a car update to better talk to those chargers and get better charging speeds. Tesla cars are charging at 250kw there so unless the restriction is in the adapter, something else is holding it back. If it is the adapter, maybe Tesla will sell an adapter with a signing chip built in that will allow the user to charge their car at any Tesla station. Built-in membership (lower costs), automatic signing (no-app), more available chargers, and possibly better speeds
This is very complicated, but TLDR, for non 800volt battery cars (eg, Taycan, ioniq 5), Tesla is limiting current. I will also point out that Tesla cars will only pull 250kw briefly. What counts is overall time you're at the charger to get enough juice under your car's charging curve. Also, I have tools that allow me to flash my car with the latest software released to dealers, so this is using the absolute latest software from Ford.
@@ev_kimchi I’ve been using Tesla superchargers for years. There are so many of them now, I generally charge every 140-160 miles for 10-15 minutes. 100% charging doesn’t make any sense and 40-80% charging is sort of a weird scenario. Why would you be charging at 40% and why would you need to be at 80% or greater?
You saw a manufacturer at the supercharger running tests. Ford is likely doing the same. The update probably isn’t released yet. But frankly. Seeing a peak of 123kw when you started at 40% is pretty good. Especially for a Mache, last I checked they max at 150kw and supposed to drop to 100kw by 40%
@@BonanzaPilot He charged at 40% SOC because he wanted to check out the SC and that was his SOC when he arrived. It was a test and a demonstration.
As I said in my video, I decided to drive down there to check it out. I agree with you that my SOC was higher than typical when pulling into a DC charger on a road trip, but my purpose was not to do a road trip simulation here. As you can see from my video, I stopped charging at 81%, which is when the Mach-E drops its charge curve to accept around 40kw.
Correct!
What's the little gizmo you're using to block the charger door from hitting the car?
good observation! I have a little piece of furniture corner edge protector foam cut which turns out to be the perfect shape to put in the hinge between the charge door and the body of the car. I do this along with a 3D printed mod folks have made to prevent the door from hitting the car and denting it -- this has happened to owners if you hit the door accidentally and bend it back.
Hello there!! What is the name of the tesla charging station app?
Ummm, it's called Tesla in your app store. It's from Tesla.
Does Tesla charge more for non-Tesla cars?
I think they do -- this is still a trial for Tesla, and you have to think they are probably not rolling this out in favor of having everyone just adopt NACS.
why is the CCS plug so HUGE. What does it do that the sexy Tesla plug doesn't do? But I can see how Tesla will dominate DCFC charging going forward. Brilliant move Tesla. And it sounds like you were at a V2 SuperCharger. Try a V3 next time. And Tesla is starting to roll out V4 DCFCs.
I know, right? The "magic dock" is huge, probably because it must hold lots of magic in there. I believe those are V3 Superchargers, no V2s have the Magic Dock right now during this test at least. I think you might think this is V2 due to the performance. It's been confirmed that Tesla is limiting current when using the Magic Dock, we don't know if it is a physical safety limitation of the converter plug, or for other reasons.
From what I read, V4 design has longer cable, but a different design overall so they will need a different Magic Dock holder than you see in the V3 one -- there's no center "hole" in the V4 design, which are just starting to be installed in Europe I believe.
Do not google “magic docking”
Great video! There was a mach-e that supercharged in NY that had to pull into a bush to make the cord reach in a regular spot. We used the same supercharger to charge our ID.4 there a few days ago
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We had to add our address again in the Tesla app but otherwise it started right away. It will be a nice backup when EA stations are down
yes another Mach-E owner succeeded out in CA by pulling forward. I knew this could be done already, didn't need to risk hitting my car for this video when I saw the side-mounted stall was available ;-)
Plugging in @ 40 % SOC won't get any vehicle the charge carve u expect
EVs sweet spot charge curve is 5% to 60%. IMO.
Yes, but charging performance wasn't the point of my visit -- I was visiting 3 days after Superchargers were opened to "non-Teslas" and I wanted to see if it worked at all
Thanks for the content,I appreciate the insight. But I think 🤔 me and my mach-e will stick with EA or EV GO, expensive, and not even worth it. Keep bringing great content,peace and blessings.
I wouldn't use a Tesla Supercharger as a first choice, but it's great to have as a backup -- or if you want to go somewhere that has no other options.
@@ev_kimchi yeah that’s understandable, just in case.
I live in nearby Santa Cruz and checked out this SC station on March 1st, just after it went live. I have a Chevy Bolt. I didn't try to charge but there were two Energica bikes that had charged. The rider said that it was seemless. With the expensive price and short cable, Tesla owners shouldn't worry about the SCs getting overwhelmed. I think CCS drivers will only use them for emergencies. Electricity prices in California are the highest in the Country, but the Tesla SC pricing is still more expensive than EA. This morning, March 4, the Tesla App no longer shows this SC site as available to CCS drivers. I don't know if that's the App or Tesla took it down, but without the App, CCS drivers won't be able to use it.
Hahaha they probably had too many UA-camrs showing up there
Actually not true, I'm seeing the station still available now in the Tesla app if you go into their "Charge a Non-Tesla" flow.
@@ev_kimchi Good to know. My Tesla App seems to be broken. Now it won't even pull up the map.
I hope the Tesla experience will be horrible for you guys...EA is where it's at and you will have a way more beautiful and exhilarating experience over there.
Those prices are abysmal
Definitely not the "value" option!