@@Neil.AnblomiI think Cowan well addresses his experience with a product as a sample size of one. However, he does have consistent record for his review process and the number of reviews. I trust his recommendations of a product written he reviews them, as they are consistent and he is quite honest and methodical with his procedures.
I'm glad to hear they went with an established mounting footprint; coming up with their own wacky thing that nobody else supports would be a very Steiner thing to do.
@@calholli That's interesting; Holosun has also used the Aimpoint T1/2 footprint and Primary Arms has used the ACOG footprint for their prism scopes. Somehow they get away with that...
Whoa! I like how Steiner moved the electronics and battery compartment to the top of the body allowing them to move the lenses toward the lower part of the optic, closer to the bore. Seems like it could make for easier acquisition of the dot. Very smart and cool design! 😎
It doesn’t even have to be a scuffle. In my experience carrying with an optic, I’ve rocked it on doors, door jams, my truck, gates, and all kinds of stuff. It always makes me cringe and then I remember my optic survived your testing and I’m put at ease. Thanks for the reviews! RMRs and Holosuns to be exact.
I carry my pistol with holosun when putting up stands, clearing shooting lanes etc at my hunting lease. It gets beat up and smacked more than you'd think. Your point is excellent.
Truth! I smashed a romeo 1 slipping on ice getting off of my tractor. Didn't even hit the concrete, metal step slammed into my gut (aiwb carry) going down. Spiderwebbed the glass bad, though I suppose technically the optic still worked. My local dealer swapped it out for me for free...but I think I went through 3 Romeo 1's in 3 years before I finally switched over. To be fair, I'm sure other optics would probably crack too if they had 180 lb guy slip into a metal step as dead weight. My next optic will probably be the Acro once they have all the kinks worked out and it's widely available.
A 3-way comparo including Holosun HE 509. Don't have to declare a winner, just compare them and note each one's pos and neg qualities. Aaron has said in the past, I think, that he doesn't do head to head stuff, but once he's reviewed all 3, he knows each one's pos & neg features.
I’d rather change batteries twice a year than deal with notch filters and fisheye distortion. Clear glass and a fast emitter reduce visual distractions. Glad to see Steiner prioritized optical quality.
I honestly don’t find a notch filter distracting. My focus is on the target and a blue tint doesn’t really get noticed by me. The fisheye distortion can be another matter, however.
I was just hoping this would be the next rds review. Also love the metal intro being back. Thanks for these great reviews! Can't wait to get in a SD class this year
Good to know that Steiner nailed it with their first closed emitter pistol offering……I have a ACRO plate that’s waiting for a P-2 but if Aimpoint doesn’t hurry up this will be going on my pistol. Great review
Hasn't gotten any better. P2s are still out of stock, so I'm going with a MPS. I'm still going to get a P2, but at least I won't have to swap plate around when I get the P2, and I planned on having the same optic on my pistol and rifle so the MPS will likely move to the rifle when I get the P2.
Great work as always. A coworker used your white paper and information in general to get closed emitter optics added to our approved list at the department.
Aaron, as part of your training series, do you think you could discuss the notion of a post ignition push vs a pre-ignition flinch? If you slow down the footage when you're doing the 1 handed manipulations we can see how you're controlling for the recoil right after the trigger breaks (even when it's a dummy). This topic doesn't get a lot of attention.
Looks like a solid optic. How many rounds do you have on that pistol now? I've got one and I'm curious as to how well it's doing for you with all the abuse.
this thing seems to be a near home run. Has good features, looks good imo, and has a well established name behind it. Assuming it lasts, the only thing I would have liked to see is a shake awake type feature if its going to have an auto off, but seeing as you can turn the auto off off its not that big of a deal.
when i first got mine i noticed a small shift, but i'm not sure if that was d/t the optic itself or the screw mount. I eventually rechecked the screw mounts, and re-zero'd the optic and test fired 25 rounds (not enough to my arbitrary standards) and dropped it on hard wood floor surfaces (5 times from waist height), and racked the slide multiple times to simulate gunfire (not a great representation of slide reciprocation under real live fire) to get the red dot to "shift." So far it has not moved. Sorry for the run-on sentence, but hopefully this may give users of the MPS some value to their insight....
@sagedynamics , how did you disable the auto off? I just spoke with Steiner technical support to ask, and they claim that is a product revision that’s not yet available - it’s still at least several weeks away, and possibly several months. I purchased one of these based on the strength of your review and your statement that you disabled auto off, if that’s not accurate back it goes unopened.
I just bought one a few days ago, the manual isn't very helpful for this procedure. Just to be on the safe side I hit the up button then the down button atleast once every several hours and it hasn't turned off yet.
@@j.anthonyk1730 , they have a newer version out now and I got the instructions. Hold down the plus and minus buttons for 10 seconds until you see the reticle blink. That means it’s turned off.
CONCRETE😲! Whats your take on "luck of the landing" ? Direct hit on Optic vs muzzle or grip. Do you aim it when you drop? Just sayin. No disrespect you are my Gun Guru along with Warriors for Justice and the Firearm Patriot. Thank you for your advice. You are wise beyond your years.
@Florida Man HVACR Auto on is a simplification of usage that allows you to set and forget in certain instances and not have to worry about turning it on should you have to reach for the weapon quickly. If it doesn't turn on (highly unlikely) then well that's what the irons are for.
Aaron, I went back and watched your video on BUIS placement in relation to the optic. Do you still believe in mounting your iron sights to the front of the optic? I'm noticing on all the recent RDS reviews you've been doing that you have your irons to the rear. Thanks for all your videos.
The reason I personally have been waiting for an ACRO P-2 is that I do a lot of demo and work in crawl spaces. Drywall dust will render an RMR useless (I know this because during busy seasons, I have to clean my pistol at least once a week or sooner). This seems like another interesting option.
Thank you!! I am in the market for a RDS and just happened to see a MPS at my local dealer this week. I was not aware that Steiner was producing a RDS. If the MPS passed your testing it gives me confidence that the MPS is indeed a quality optic. Thanks, again.
Good insightful review as always 👍 Looks like the Steiner MPS is viable option for anyone looking for s decent enclosed emitter design. They made a good choice going with the ACRO mount footprint, and hopefully this will become the standard for all future pistol optic designs.
It uses the Aimpoint ACRO mounting solution. The 509T is a completely different footprint of it's own. Which is a bummer IMO.. because these are like mini- pic rails, and it would be nice if they could just standardize one, that way the future pistols can all adopt that common rail/ like what has happened across virtually all rifles; Because I believe the closed rds are the future, so a standard common rail would be ideal.
It's crazy how slow people are catching on to this channel. The body of work of this channel in the next decade is gonna be full of priceless data points. I have no doubt that people will be flooding in here by then, but it's so weird how low the subs are here. I'm baffled.
Never have I seen ANYONE use the trendy TLR flashlight. It's stupid and trendy. What are you walking through, Dark Ally? Is your home defense weapon your edc?? Pointless trend aside from home defense.
Hey you had only one nomination for a Gunny! I was going to mash 15 votes in just about every category. You are the real deal. I don't consider anything without consulting a review by you. As you say Being the GOAT "is a thing" "if you will". Of all the categories, I would say as a former NRA LEO Instructor, I would vote for you, for Best Shooter, Most Influential, Best Reviews and I want you as my Back-up for Surviving the Apocalypse Brother. Saint Micheal Protect Us.🇺🇸
Thanks for all you do. I'd like to see a pistol red dot have forward looking light sensors to adjust the brightness to match what you are looking at, not the environment you are in.
Definitely super interested in this optic and might get one to put on my EDC Chunk Ported Staccato C2 with PL350..I have a 509T on it,but will probably move that to my Walther PDP.
Aaron, I seem to have a reoccurring issue of rust and corrosion between my optic and FN509. Any suggestions other than bi-weekly optic removal for oil and zero verification?
Indeed. I’ve only bought 24 round mags since getting my 509T. I have 6 24 round mags and 1 17 I use for concealed carry. I certainly don’t agree with the $60 price tag, but I wanted them, so I bought them. When I sold my 509T, I kept the 24 round mags and put in 2 17 rounders. I run the LS now. With the heavy recoil spring from the 509T. Wish they would have shipped both springs with the LS. The yellow one it ships with is too light and makes the gun snappy as all hell. Which is why I took the heavy one from my 509T. 🇺🇸
How did you program out the auto off function. I have searched for info, emailed steiner and post question on their site. No answer. Will you tell us how you disabled the auto off. Thank you.
Seems like they built this one just to survive Aaron’s test lol. Happy to see more and more companies come out with mini red dots, market is getting pretty competitive.
@@georgekirby3361 so 50k hours that others claim is a pretty crazy difference. But...if you see what settings they are at for that battery life it is typically one or two clicks above night setting levels....which is bright for dark areas with no weapon light use. you pump that up a couple more notches for a bright sunny day or enough to use a weapon light and you are only a click or two from max brightness (which would significantly lower battery life). Most people change batteries once or twice a year.
Excellent review! I almost bought one of these when I first saw them. However, I figured that you would review one and it’s best to wait. It sure looks like a good option. Battery life is somewhat disappointing, but you can’t win them all.
Really? Holosun makes the best pistol closed emitter yet. What doesn’t that not win? It’s not ungodly ugly, battery life is great and the window is big. Its auto on off works great but it’s auto adjusting for brightness does suck. If you’re sensitive to it, there is a slight magnification.
@@binyamj yeah I try not to buy anything made in China but my phone is made in China my clothes are made in China and a lot is made in China some is just in avoidable.
@@jessegpresley Your right, I wasn’t being very clear. I buy more made in America items than the average individual. I seek out locally made things and I try to avoid buying from countries that don’t treat their citizens fairly that’s not just China. However, the Chinese government is an enemy of America so I especially try to avoid them. Sometimes what is more important than the country of origin is the quality of the product. Especially when that product is being used to protect your life. I own several optics only one of made in China, that one is the 509t. Holosun is innovative and they are making strides to push the red dot industries forward. Moreover, American made is not always better and sometimes it’s more important to buy the better product. Chevy and ford’s not made in America really but seen as American companies build trash. I no that as a fact, it’s my line of work. Most shoes are made actual in China. Some companies like new balance make American made shoes and they come at a premium. The very few phones made in America have pretty dated tech and are not worth the premium they are demanding. Again I know this I just replaced my phone so of course I looked for an American made alternative first. I just recently replaced a microwave, American made versions where 400% more. Will they last 4 times longer, maybe but I didn’t find out. I promise I buy more American made products than most but you have to take into consideration the value. Sometimes the value isn’t there . And sometimes you just need the superior product. I’m all for eliminating China as an importer by the way. Trump was on the right track.
I would say one decent benefit for an enclosed optic over an open emitter optic for concealed carry is that you don't get a bunch of lint and such in your glass and potentially on the emitter. that was a big issue I had with the 507c, it got dirty fast and I wasn't even putting it through especially terrible use, just wearing it and shooting it when I could on a flat range. I don't see myself ever going back to open emitter optics when I don't have to. Still waiting on a closed emitter micro optic that will fit the 507k footprint, if it's even possible.
@@carbon8ed no silly you mentioned lint. Do you dress in a gillie suit? If concealed carry there is no issue with an open emitter and even so, get tall irons with tritium as back up and you are fine
I purchased one of these in early December 2022. The screw that holds red dot onto the adapter sheared off on first shot. I called Steiner. They said there have been some issues with the screw that holds the unit on the adapter plate. I have a CZ P- 10 F and used an Aimpoint Acro adapter plate from Aimpoint. Received the replacement just before Christmas and the same thing happened today at the range, The MPS almost hit me in the face on the first shot. I am calling them again tomorrow as they are closed today . Anyone else have this known problem? Both were torqued to spec.
I know 0 people with a doctor, very few with an acro... but everyone and their dog has an RMR why is the industry confused on what footprint to use again? My interest then went to zero once I heard there's no shake-awake. I thought we were past the "is my optic still on" anxiety.
Looks like a nice optic. I would like to upgrade my Holosun 507c with the RMR but I like the Holosun a lot so idk how much of a upgrade it would be but this Steiner looks like a acro
I went from a type 2 RMR to a 509T. I would hesitate to switch to an RMR due to battery accessibility, window size and glass distortion. Durability and the name is all it has going for it but there’s plenty of other durable optics
For what it’s worth, I went to an RMR to a 507c v2 and don’t regret it, whatsoever. Don’t think I’ll go back to RMR unless they release a Type 3 that addresses the Type 1/2 shortcomings.
no rmr footprint.. that's a no go for me. Keep waiting for enclosed pistol dot and they would have killed it by making the footprint rmr...lol. So they think folks will dump their aimpoint for this... who's handling marketing for these folks? Opportunity missed.
Ditto on trusting SageDynamics on his reviews. I follow his recommendations regarding optics and pistols. Awesome reviews! My Holosun on my Glock G40 in 10mm has not had any problems. My Holosun on my P365 at times has to be shaken few times for it to wake up. Hence I'm going to install The Steiner MPS on the G40 since it us my backup pistol for threats while hunting. I don't want to wait for my optic to wake up. And by this review, the MPS looks to be very durable. I'll move the Holosun to my VP9 Match, or my Sig M17 Commemorative, which are just part of my shooters. As for drop tests...I have dropped my G43 so many times. No optic. But just to say...pistols do get dropped. Butter fingers, no. It has been normally dropped when the need to remove from carrying mode when going into an establishment that does not allow firearms. I can say for sure, the Glock line can take a beating.
I don’t think Steiner is known for durable RDS optics… every prior introduction they’ve tried has been overpriced and unreliable. Their magnified optics yeah, but their RDS offerings have never been reliable or durable. Hopefully they figured it out but I’m skeptical.
Wait...did you watch the video and then write this or did you immediately start typing after you clicked? I understand essentially going over a video point by point, but this is just kinda weird. You could have fast forwarded to the end if you wanted to know.
@@Osprey1994 He specifically said Steiner is known for durable optics in his review. I pointed out that that’s not true for RDS type optics, and they actually have a poor reputation for them. I’m not sure what you think is odd about that?
Great video & very well defined language that i ( a simpleton) could understand. Like it so much that i am now a sub,how does this optic compare to a swampfox justice? I know the price diff is major,but im kinda new at red dots & wanna know if the extra cash would be worth it for a newbie.
The P2 has the potential advantage of higher battery life. Other than that they're both going to be durable and reliable. Choose the one you prefer or can get a better deal on.
I'm looking for an RDS for offset on AR platform. This has come up for consideration. Shake awake would like but with batt life can leave on. The Holosun 509T version 2 only for glass clarity is also up for consideration. I like the Trijicon SRO window size but as Aaron says closed seems to be the way to go...
So I was ready to buy another 509T lastnight until I watched this video…. I have a couple of 509T on a couple of PDPs and looking to upgrade an RMR on 509 MRD, would you go with this or another 509T GR?
This is the only guy I trust for reviews. Anything that can make it through his testing is something I would feel confident about buying.
that's a mistake.
He's also a great instructor. Definitely take a class with him if you can.
Yes, a sample size of one is plenty to make a great decision off of.
@@Neil.AnblomiI think Cowan well addresses his experience with a product as a sample size of one. However, he does have consistent record for his review process and the number of reviews. I trust his recommendations of a product written he reviews them, as they are consistent and he is quite honest and methodical with his procedures.
I'm glad to hear they went with an established mounting footprint; coming up with their own wacky thing that nobody else supports would be a very Steiner thing to do.
A lot of times it's because you can't just copy other companies footprints. Trigicon actually sued Holosun for using their RMR footprint.
@@calholli i thought that was about the 508T's button placement, which Holosun has changed since?
@@calholli That's interesting; Holosun has also used the Aimpoint T1/2 footprint and Primary Arms has used the ACOG footprint for their prism scopes. Somehow they get away with that...
@@herknorth8691 because both of those designs are old enough to have expired patents.
@@calholli really I thought the only proprietary thing about the RMR was the ears and concave top ?
I’d really like to see the height comparison to the acro and the 509T
Whoa! I like how Steiner moved the electronics and battery compartment to the top of the body allowing them to move the lenses toward the lower part of the optic, closer to the bore. Seems like it could make for easier acquisition of the dot. Very smart and cool design! 😎
Would very much like to see the ACRO footprint become the standard.
It doesn’t even have to be a scuffle. In my experience carrying with an optic, I’ve rocked it on doors, door jams, my truck, gates, and all kinds of stuff. It always makes me cringe and then I remember my optic survived your testing and I’m put at ease. Thanks for the reviews! RMRs and Holosuns to be exact.
I lost a rear sight once just getting out of the squad in a hurry.
@@SageDynamics the “iron sights never fail” crowd needs this..🙄
I carry my pistol with holosun when putting up stands, clearing shooting lanes etc at my hunting lease. It gets beat up and smacked more than you'd think. Your point is excellent.
Truth! I smashed a romeo 1 slipping on ice getting off of my tractor. Didn't even hit the concrete, metal step slammed into my gut (aiwb carry) going down.
Spiderwebbed the glass bad, though I suppose technically the optic still worked. My local dealer swapped it out for me for free...but I think I went through 3 Romeo 1's in 3 years before I finally switched over.
To be fair, I'm sure other optics would probably crack too if they had 180 lb guy slip into a metal step as dead weight.
My next optic will probably be the Acro once they have all the kinks worked out and it's widely available.
I'd definitely love to see this Steiner MPS compared to the ACRO P2...
A 3-way comparo including Holosun HE 509. Don't have to declare a winner, just compare them and note each one's pos and neg qualities. Aaron has said in the past, I think, that he doesn't do head to head stuff, but once he's reviewed all 3, he knows each one's pos & neg features.
I’d rather change batteries twice a year than deal with notch filters and fisheye distortion. Clear glass and a fast emitter reduce visual distractions. Glad to see Steiner prioritized optical quality.
100% agreed.
I honestly don’t find a notch filter distracting. My focus is on the target and a blue tint doesn’t really get noticed by me. The fisheye distortion can be another matter, however.
They needed a shake awake feature. Big miss there
@@Romanus- I would never trust those feature. Always on always ready is the only way to go.
I was just hoping this would be the next rds review. Also love the metal intro being back.
Thanks for these great reviews! Can't wait to get in a SD class this year
Good to know that Steiner nailed it with their first closed emitter pistol offering……I have a ACRO plate that’s waiting for a P-2 but if Aimpoint doesn’t hurry up this will be going on my pistol. Great review
Ditto!
Ditto!
Top comment spoiled the video :(
Yeah, same here. I don’t like waiting so I just got this MPS for my B&T APC9K.
Hasn't gotten any better. P2s are still out of stock, so I'm going with a MPS. I'm still going to get a P2, but at least I won't have to swap plate around when I get the P2, and I planned on having the same optic on my pistol and rifle so the MPS will likely move to the rifle when I get the P2.
Aaron’s right handed shooting is better than 90% of guys shooting with their dominant hand.
Great work as always. A coworker used your white paper and information in general to get closed emitter optics added to our approved list at the department.
Aaron, as part of your training series, do you think you could discuss the notion of a post ignition push vs a pre-ignition flinch? If you slow down the footage when you're doing the 1 handed manipulations we can see how you're controlling for the recoil right after the trigger breaks (even when it's a dummy). This topic doesn't get a lot of attention.
These are great, we've sold a few of them and feedback has been excellent.
I think a lot more will get sold once this video starts reaching people.
Nice to see you here
Just bought a Steiner MPS for my Glock 45. Went with safariland duty holster. Really excited to get it and use it for primary duty carry.
Steiner can breath now after the drop test LOL.
Looks like a solid optic. How many rounds do you have on that pistol now? I've got one and I'm curious as to how well it's doing for you with all the abuse.
He has a review on the 509 series of pistols.
this thing seems to be a near home run. Has good features, looks good imo, and has a well established name behind it. Assuming it lasts, the only thing I would have liked to see is a shake awake type feature if its going to have an auto off, but seeing as you can turn the auto off off its not that big of a deal.
It sounds like the 3 big players right now are the ACRO-2, the 509t, and now this guy. It’s a good time to be into firearms!
when i first got mine i noticed a small shift, but i'm not sure if that was d/t the optic itself or the screw mount. I eventually rechecked the screw mounts, and re-zero'd the optic and test fired 25 rounds (not enough to my arbitrary standards) and dropped it on hard wood floor surfaces (5 times from waist height), and racked the slide multiple times to simulate gunfire (not a great representation of slide reciprocation under real live fire) to get the red dot to "shift." So far it has not moved. Sorry for the run-on sentence, but hopefully this may give users of the MPS some value to their insight....
Friday, mexican cerveza and sagedynamics, not a bad Fri
Same here🤙🏼
@sagedynamics , how did you disable the auto off? I just spoke with Steiner technical support to ask, and they claim that is a product revision that’s not yet available - it’s still at least several weeks away, and possibly several months. I purchased one of these based on the strength of your review and your statement that you disabled auto off, if that’s not accurate back it goes unopened.
This. I’d like to know this as well. I don’t want it either if I can’t turn that feature off.
Need to know as well
I just bought one a few days ago, the manual isn't very helpful for this procedure. Just to be on the safe side I hit the up button then the down button atleast once every several hours and it hasn't turned off yet.
@@j.anthonyk1730 , they have a newer version out now and I got the instructions. Hold down the plus and minus buttons for 10 seconds until you see the reticle blink. That means it’s turned off.
I literally just ordered one of these not 5 hours ago. Thank GOD I made a good choice. Thanks for the awesome review!
How much, if you don’t mind me asking?
How is it holding up? On the fence between the MPS or RMR . Both about same price with their veteran programs
CONCRETE😲! Whats your take on "luck of the landing" ? Direct hit on Optic vs muzzle or grip. Do you aim it when you drop? Just sayin. No disrespect you are my Gun Guru along with Warriors for Justice and the Firearm Patriot. Thank you for your advice. You are wise beyond your years.
I ll wait for the inclosed ACSS Holosun
Thank you for all the videos.
Holosun 509T will be hard to beat. These days there is no damn reason not to have an auto on feature.
I love mine. absolutely one of my best purchases and i was apprehensive about adopting red dots.
I agree. However, with the very long battery life of most RDS's why would you ever turn off an optic on your EDC or home defense weapon?
The Steiner MPS is longer, taller, wider and heavier; smaller window dimensions, no shake awake and MSRP more expensive than the Holosun 509T.
@Florida Man HVACR Auto on is a simplification of usage that allows you to set and forget in certain instances and not have to worry about turning it on should you have to reach for the weapon quickly. If it doesn't turn on (highly unlikely) then well that's what the irons are for.
@@ThatGuy-sc5rx I agree I am a huge fan of the 509T
Just learned about the White Pages. Jesus dude you are doing the Lords work 🙌
Aaron, I went back and watched your video on BUIS placement in relation to the optic. Do you still believe in mounting your iron sights to the front of the optic? I'm noticing on all the recent RDS reviews you've been doing that you have your irons to the rear. Thanks for all your videos.
Shake awake is a big deal and it doesn't have it!!!
I agree, Bryan
Useless featured when my RMR is always on 😂
I’ve been holding off watching this so I could avoid distractions. Enjoyed it. Thanks for the info
Heres hoping they QC it like their optics and not like their IR/laser units. Otherwise it looks good.
The reason I personally have been waiting for an ACRO P-2 is that I do a lot of demo and work in crawl spaces. Drywall dust will render an RMR useless (I know this because during busy seasons, I have to clean my pistol at least once a week or sooner). This seems like another interesting option.
Just wish it took CR2032s. That's a massive appeal of the Acro P2 to me. Battery life is amazing on it and it's common
@@MellowFellowOfYellow I want a P-2 but they haven’t been in stock for months 😂
Hey Aaron, How did you manage to turn off the Auto Shut off? I have the MPS but cant find this info anywhere
After 4 concrete drop test the optic will automatically enable auto off / survival mode because it senses end of life is near 🤣
A 15 minute sage video can only be really good or really bad. Time to see
Thank you!! I am in the market for a RDS and just happened to see a MPS at my local dealer this week. I was not aware that Steiner was producing a RDS. If the MPS passed your testing it gives me confidence that the MPS is indeed a quality optic. Thanks, again.
Good insightful review as always 👍 Looks like the Steiner MPS is viable option for anyone looking for s decent enclosed emitter design. They made a good choice going with the ACRO mount footprint, and hopefully this will become the standard for all future pistol optic designs.
How does Aaron know what I'm thinking
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Glad to see it did well, I will put this on the list as a viable step up from the 509T.
I haven’t seen this one in person yet but the 509 is my favorite closed so far. Hopefully Trijicon comes to the table soon.
It uses the Aimpoint ACRO mounting solution. The 509T is a completely different footprint of it's own. Which is a bummer IMO.. because these are like mini- pic rails, and it would be nice if they could just standardize one, that way the future pistols can all adopt that common rail/ like what has happened across virtually all rifles; Because I believe the closed rds are the future, so a standard common rail would be ideal.
@@calholli Just remember that retooling isn't free, and a standard will require retooling.
Are mount plates MORE expensive than retooling costs?
Dmitri from PA is seething right now when you said 8 people use the docter footprint
Hey Aaron about RDS system on pistol .. do you think that today it is the best to own a Glock with Mos system instead of a plain old Glock 45?!
I'm happy to see more closed emitter MRDS out there now, I love my RMR but this is just the best way to go. She thiccc but she solid.
It's crazy how slow people are catching on to this channel. The body of work of this channel in the next decade is gonna be full of priceless data points. I have no doubt that people will be flooding in here by then, but it's so weird how low the subs are here. I'm baffled.
Steiner devs eating their nails while watching this.
$500 optic, $1000 worth of 9mm ammo. Flex'in on us poors.
Please manufactures 🙏 keep making the acro footprint the standard for closed dot emitters.
Alright Aaron- what’s you’re favorite/ recommended optic for duty handguns?
Can we get a 10k review as well? Absolutely great review!
Yeah just send him the bullets
Battlestar Galactica called, they want their crap back.
That thing belongs on a laser blaster...
The Steiner with a face only a mother could love.
Fully sealed rds, 100% duty rated, ready for "duty"
Never have I seen ANYONE use the trendy TLR flashlight. It's stupid and trendy. What are you walking through, Dark Ally? Is your home defense weapon your edc?? Pointless trend aside from home defense.
Like cell phones, pistol optics seem to have a HUGE phase, before coming back around to reality
Hey you had only one nomination for a Gunny! I was going to mash 15 votes in just about every category. You are the real deal. I don't consider anything without consulting a review by you. As you say Being the GOAT "is a thing" "if you will". Of all the categories, I would say as a former NRA LEO Instructor, I would vote for you, for Best Shooter, Most Influential, Best Reviews and I want you as my Back-up for Surviving the Apocalypse Brother. Saint Micheal Protect Us.🇺🇸
Nice review Aaron, that damn drop test makes me cringe every time, lol
Blah blah blah blah oh...there he dropped it...blah blah blah blah...
;)
Thanks for all you do.
I'd like to see a pistol red dot have forward looking light sensors to adjust the brightness to match what you are looking at, not the environment you are in.
I wish there was a green dot version
Is it possible to take tape rack bang by using the sight without damaging it really in the video? It looks like you use the sight to slide the rack.😎
Definitely super interested in this optic and might get one to put on my EDC Chunk Ported Staccato C2 with PL350..I have a 509T on it,but will probably move that to my Walther PDP.
Aaron,
I seem to have a reoccurring issue of rust and corrosion between my optic and FN509. Any suggestions other than bi-weekly optic removal for oil and zero verification?
What kind of optic? You remove the optic every two weeks? For what exactly? Just curious.
All red dots should come with some kind of shake awake. Especially the acro and mps. Both are at or near the $600 mark.
Does anyone know how to lock out the 13hr auto off?
DO THE $79 BUSHNELL. LOL
The one I’ve been waiting for. Thanks Aaron
As an FN 509 owner I got to say, that’s an expensive pile of mags!
Indeed. I’ve only bought 24 round mags since getting my 509T. I have 6 24 round mags and 1 17 I use for concealed carry. I certainly don’t agree with the $60 price tag, but I wanted them, so I bought them. When I sold my 509T, I kept the 24 round mags and put in 2 17 rounders. I run the LS now. With the heavy recoil spring from the 509T. Wish they would have shipped both springs with the LS. The yellow one it ships with is too light and makes the gun snappy as all hell. Which is why I took the heavy one from my 509T. 🇺🇸
You haven’t buy staccato mags for competition then. My wife almost divorced me.
How did you program out the auto off function. I have searched for info, emailed steiner and post question on their site. No answer. Will you tell us how you disabled the auto off. Thank you.
Seems like they built this one just to survive Aaron’s test lol. Happy to see more and more companies come out with mini red dots, market is getting pretty competitive.
Steiner should give you money. I got one of these in large part due to the review.
Same.
Seems good. Except once again like the acro for some reason the battery life seems terrible.
13k is over a year.
@@SageDynamics Yeah it's not perfect, but I don't mind changing batteries when the time changes. That's a reasonable cost and minor responsibility.
@@SageDynamics yes I’m aware. If that’s accurate at what setting. And why would it be four years less then many others claim?
@@georgekirby3361 13k is an average. On max power, which virtually no one is going to use, you’d see 3/4 or more of that.
@@georgekirby3361 so 50k hours that others claim is a pretty crazy difference. But...if you see what settings they are at for that battery life it is typically one or two clicks above night setting levels....which is bright for dark areas with no weapon light use. you pump that up a couple more notches for a bright sunny day or enough to use a weapon light and you are only a click or two from max brightness (which would significantly lower battery life). Most people change batteries once or twice a year.
That intro song goes so hard.
How do you disable the auto off? I can’t seem to find any info on that online.
Hold down both the plus and minus for ten seconds. Dot will flash, turning off the auto off.
Ready for a the aimpoint p2 review
Excellent review! I almost bought one of these when I first saw them. However, I figured that you would review one and it’s best to wait. It sure looks like a good option. Battery life is somewhat disappointing, but you can’t win them all.
Really? Holosun makes the best pistol closed emitter yet. What doesn’t that not win? It’s not ungodly ugly, battery life is great and the window is big. Its auto on off works great but it’s auto adjusting for brightness does suck. If you’re sensitive to it, there is a slight magnification.
Holosun is made in china. That’s the worst! I’ll never buy an optic made in china.
@@binyamj yeah I try not to buy anything made in China but my phone is made in China my clothes are made in China and a lot is made in China some is just in avoidable.
@@swiftaudi there are phones not made in china (korea, vietnam) and if you buy made in america clothes, they last longer.
@@jessegpresley Your right, I wasn’t being very clear. I buy more made in America items than the average individual. I seek out locally made things and I try to avoid buying from countries that don’t treat their citizens fairly that’s not just China. However, the Chinese government is an enemy of America so I especially try to avoid them. Sometimes what is more important than the country of origin is the quality of the product. Especially when that product is being used to protect your life. I own several optics only one of made in China, that one is the 509t. Holosun is innovative and they are making strides to push the red dot industries forward. Moreover, American made is not always better and sometimes it’s more important to buy the better product. Chevy and ford’s not made in America really but seen as American companies build trash. I no that as a fact, it’s my line of work. Most shoes are made actual in China. Some companies like new balance make American made shoes and they come at a premium. The very few phones made in America have pretty dated tech and are not worth the premium they are demanding. Again I know this I just replaced my phone so of course I looked for an American made alternative first. I just recently replaced a microwave, American made versions where 400% more. Will they last 4 times longer, maybe but I didn’t find out. I promise I buy more American made products than most but you have to take into consideration the value. Sometimes the value isn’t there . And sometimes you just need the superior product. I’m all for eliminating China as an importer by the way. Trump was on the right track.
I would say one decent benefit for an enclosed optic over an open emitter optic for concealed carry is that you don't get a bunch of lint and such in your glass and potentially on the emitter. that was a big issue I had with the 507c, it got dirty fast and I wasn't even putting it through especially terrible use, just wearing it and shooting it when I could on a flat range. I don't see myself ever going back to open emitter optics when I don't have to. Still waiting on a closed emitter micro optic that will fit the 507k footprint, if it's even possible.
Pretty sure holosun is coming out with a micro sized 509t equivalent
@@chandlerellis5457 yeah this comment was made before that was announced dude
A can of air spray duster will solve this. So minor
@@MrSomeofthem yeah I'm just gonna walk around with an air duster in my pocket to clean my optic out when I need to shoot someone
@@carbon8ed no silly you mentioned lint. Do you dress in a gillie suit? If concealed carry there is no issue with an open emitter and even so, get tall irons with tritium as back up and you are fine
I purchased one of these in early December 2022. The screw that holds red dot onto the adapter sheared off on first shot. I called Steiner. They said there have been some issues with the screw that holds the unit on the adapter plate. I have a CZ P- 10 F and used an Aimpoint Acro adapter plate from Aimpoint. Received the replacement just before Christmas and the same thing happened today at the range, The MPS almost hit me in the face on the first shot. I am calling them again tomorrow as they are closed today . Anyone else have this known problem? Both were torqued to spec.
I know 0 people with a doctor, very few with an acro... but everyone and their dog has an RMR why is the industry confused on what footprint to use again? My interest then went to zero once I heard there's no shake-awake. I thought we were past the "is my optic still on" anxiety.
Looks like a nice optic. I would like to upgrade my Holosun 507c with the RMR but I like the Holosun a lot so idk how much of a upgrade it would be but this Steiner looks like a acro
Personally, I'd upgrade to a 508T if you feel the need to upgrade, in my opinion. I had the RMR and 508T side by side. I picked the 508.
I went from a type 2 RMR to a 509T. I would hesitate to switch to an RMR due to battery accessibility, window size and glass distortion. Durability and the name is all it has going for it but there’s plenty of other durable optics
For what it’s worth, I went to an RMR to a 507c v2 and don’t regret it, whatsoever. Don’t think I’ll go back to RMR unless they release a Type 3 that addresses the Type 1/2 shortcomings.
RMR is the best. Made in China products aren’t as good overall. Plates are trash
Another kickass video and I'm stoked to have another legit optic on the market!!!!
Someone should clip Aaron doing the 2,000 round burndown and make a meme out of it.
"POV: you said your Olight is just as good as my Cloud REIN."
no rmr footprint.. that's a no go for me. Keep waiting for enclosed pistol dot and they would have killed it by making the footprint rmr...lol. So they think folks will dump their aimpoint for this... who's handling marketing for these folks? Opportunity missed.
Ditto on trusting SageDynamics on his reviews. I follow his recommendations regarding optics and pistols.
Awesome reviews!
My Holosun on my Glock G40 in 10mm has not had any problems. My Holosun on my P365 at times has to be shaken few times for it to wake up. Hence I'm going to install The Steiner MPS on the G40 since it us my backup pistol for threats while hunting. I don't want to wait for my optic to wake up. And by this review, the MPS looks to be very durable.
I'll move the Holosun to my VP9 Match, or my Sig M17 Commemorative, which are just part of my shooters.
As for drop tests...I have dropped my G43 so many times. No optic. But just to say...pistols do get dropped. Butter fingers, no. It has been normally dropped when the need to remove from carrying mode when going into an establishment that does not allow firearms.
I can say for sure, the Glock line can take a beating.
so close to perfect. WHY NO SHAKE AWAKE?!? The guy in charge of that was indeed obviously asleep and needed to be shaken...
Trying to mount mine to my FN 510 and the screws won't fit to my mounting plate. Can some one please help.
Steiner was thinking about you when they were designing it to handle drops.
LOL - SO TRUE!!!
Companies are making their RDS s exclusively to pass the Sage Dynamics tests.
I love the 509 but it gets hot pretty fast.
I think I’m sold. I was contemplating the ACRO but idk, something about it bugs me the way the Steiner doesn’t
I don’t think Steiner is known for durable RDS optics… every prior introduction they’ve tried has been overpriced and unreliable. Their magnified optics yeah, but their RDS offerings have never been reliable or durable. Hopefully they figured it out but I’m skeptical.
Wait...did you watch the video and then write this or did you immediately start typing after you clicked? I understand essentially going over a video point by point, but this is just kinda weird. You could have fast forwarded to the end if you wanted to know.
@@Osprey1994 He specifically said Steiner is known for durable optics in his review. I pointed out that that’s not true for RDS type optics, and they actually have a poor reputation for them. I’m not sure what you think is odd about that?
@@sethrich5998 it is odd.
Do you like this better than the P2?
I don’t have a P2
Maybe now Aimpoint will HAVE to start cranking out the P2 so Steiner doesn’t kick their ass in sales???!!!???
Does anyone know if this would hold up to 10mm recoil? Underwood 10mm out of an M&P10MM to be exact.
Aimpoint ACRO or Steiner MPS?
Great video & very well defined language that i ( a simpleton) could understand. Like it so much that i am now a sub,how does this optic compare to a swampfox justice? I know the price diff is major,but im kinda new at red dots & wanna know if the extra cash would be worth it for a newbie.
So now the big question. Acro P2 or MRS? Or is it a toss up?
The P2 has the potential advantage of higher battery life. Other than that they're both going to be durable and reliable. Choose the one you prefer or can get a better deal on.
I'm looking for an RDS for offset on AR platform. This has come up for consideration. Shake awake would like but with batt life can leave on. The Holosun 509T version 2 only for glass clarity is also up for consideration. I like the Trijicon SRO window size but as Aaron says closed seems to be the way to go...
So I was ready to buy another 509T lastnight until I watched this video…. I have a couple of 509T on a couple of PDPs and looking to upgrade an RMR on 509 MRD, would you go with this or another 509T GR?
My trigger finger hurts just watching 👀 this video.....
3.3 MOA is approximately 1 Mil -> it's a metric thing!
Auto-off without auto-on is stupid lol.