And this is exactly why I love your channel. As a new shooter, this is valuable information. I’m getting an rmr soon and am gonna be taking a class to learn how to properly use it, but videos like this seriously help my confidence especially since I’m legally blind without my glasses. God forbid I get them knocked off I can barely see the front sight but I CAN see ared dot. It’d be nice if you did a video on why a red dot is floating as opposed to just say painting a cross hair on the rmr glass (aka those old non magnifying Soviet scopes). Thank you so much for the informative video I had no idea why the dot shouldn’t be ON the front sight... keep up the awesome work!
I just zeroed my first RMR on Monday. Glad I did it the right way, although I did zero it for 15 instead of 25 yards. As always Aaron, thanks for another great knowledge filled video!
Slaving the red dot to the irons is a fine way to get the optic zeroing started. Then move it accordingly based on your preferred zero distance. All my RDS pistols have suppressor height sights, then I drop the dot slightly above half way of the sight. That gives me a pretty accurate 25yd zero.
I just zeroed my red dot to my 509t with suppressor height sights and the red dot is like on it like where the front post dot is , I think I did it wrong, since you mentions you had suppressor height sights that's why I'm asking
@@jonathanaldana4941 on suppressor height sights will give you a pretty accurate 25 yard zero right about middle of the front sight post. If you are using standard height I’d slave to the top or the dot on the sight post. You can fine tune from there, but I’ve found it’s the fastest way to get in the A zone and nit burn trough a bunch of ammo. I almost every of my semi pistols have dots and it works for me!
I just got my first dot today. Was looking for information on the best way to zero. First video I watched slaved it to the front sight. So glad I kept looking. Thank you for putting this up 🤘
Thanks for this video. Just received my RMR yesterday so it’s not yet installed. I’ve been watching several videos and digesting the information. For the life of me I couldn’t wrap my head around co-witnessing to the iron sights. Thanks for confirming my thoughts and putting my mind at ease. Great video!
After 7 years of ccw I’m making the jump to the dot. I needed this video to spur my thinking in solving the irons question for my first set up to put through its paces before carrying it. Thank you.
I have been searching and searching for a video just like this for WEEKS! I REALLY appreciate the sight picture visuals for zeroing the red dot. Love your videos man
You are spot on. The only area we differ is in yardage to zero. Since self defense is the overriding issue in using a handgun, and with most shooting events happening within 7 yards, I recommend red dot zero be at 10 yards with a full understanding of POA modification with red dot to achieve a POI at distances greater than 10 but equal to or less than 25 yards.
Yeah no. 25 yard zero will hit about 2 inches low at 7 yards, which is negligible. You don't need exact point of aim point of impact at close range. Much better to be able to hit long range shots without putting much thought into it AND being able to hit with more than sufficient accuracy at close range.
Aaron, there is no doubt that being a firearms instructor is your calling man. I would venture to say that you are the most knowledgeable and well spoken instructor that I have ever come across. I really wish that I lived closer so that I could take one or more of your courses. Thanks for putting in the time to help people like myself.
Thanks! This video was a very informative and to my mind presented good logical reasoning and evidence. Reading through the comments and replies was also quite helpful, especially the USCCA stats on percentages of shooting at various ranges (with the vast majority in the 9-15 ft range).
I rewatched this vid after 2 years and I gotta say that this video and you, Mr. Cowan, more than any other human have radically improved my pistol shooting and my meliorated (look it up) my enjoyment of pistol shooting geometrically. Dude, It's a major item on my retirement budget now!
Today you have went from just "Subscribed" to now "Subscribed and Notified". This is one of the FEW channels that I watch, and listen to when it comes to firearm stuff. Thanks again!
I"m at a point in my life where these videos reinforce what I already do or already know. However, this was new to me and makes perfect sense. Time for me to start doing this. Thanks Aaron!
Excellent information! Just mounted my first RMR and was wondering what the correct method of sighting in would be...now I know! Thanks again for the info and another Great video!
Very helpful video, thank you. Wish I'd seen it before I sighted in my Sig P226 with the Romeo sight. I finally figured out on my own to just ignore the iron sights and shoot the dot.
Great information!! Thank you for the in depth video. What you describe makes perfect sense to me. I feel confident now, for when I can go get mine sighted in.
Thank you for addressing this. Something I read all the time out there that folks just have to have these super tall sights to co-witness the dot. Never made sense to me. Just zero the dot, and as long as I can see the irons, it's all good. They are back up, and if they are neatly tucked away at 1/3 or even 1/4 of the lower window, I'm a happy camper. No need to make it any more complicated.
Thank you. There's almost no other videos on the topic of using red dots that mentions that "co-witness" on a pistol actually refers to a lower 1/3 or lower 1/4 view of the iron sights in the optic window, not absolute co-witness or "slaved", like you said, where the iron sights and red dot are all aligned into a single sight picture. I got pretty frustrated having to do so much searching to find this simple but necessary information. Instant sub. Thanks again man, very much appreciated.
Thank you. I just received my slide back from being milled for a lower 1/3 height. I noticed that I ran out of adjustment on my RMR trying to get the dot down to the level of my stock front sight post. After listening to your video I now realize the error of my ways.
My setup is not a full co witness but a lower 1/3 i believe. I will try zeroing independently and see the results. Helpful video from someone with more experience and knowledge than myself. cheers great vid
130shooter1, if you disagree with what this video advocates, can you explain or provide a source that explains why slaving to the sights is better? I'm trying to do my homework and would appreciate it. Thank you.
@@LaRemnant I don't disagree with him. Slaving the red dot to the irons is a good *starting point*. Just place the red dot so that it hovers just above your front sight. that'll get you on/ close to target. then zero the dot to the range of your choosing.
Thank you Aaron. I thought I would be gtg with my rds slaved zero thinking it wouldn't matter for home defence. Took it to the range and if I would've encountered a perpetrator with one of my kids as a shield between us and I took the shot, the chance of me hitting my son in the face was in fact possible. At 20 yards my hits were way left and a bit high while at ten yards it was not that significant. A real eye opener for sure. I sincerely thank you and appreciate inmencely your effort and dedication to this way.
I’m glad I watched this video. I zeroed my red dot yesterday and I didn’t think it was right that when holding my G19 my dot was up to the left post zero while looking through my irons. It was hitting in a tight group, but I thought it was weird that my dot was far away from my irons. So when I got home, I slaved the dot to my irons. Now after watching, I know it was ok it just happened to be where my dot was zeroed, it was just strange to me and messed with my OCD that my irons and dot were aways apart. Thanks for the video. Time to re zero lmao
IF you have zeroed your irons to the gun already, then slaving the dot to them is a great place to start. I don’t care if we’re talking rifle, pistol, absolute cowitness, lower 1/3 cowitness, etc. You can even do it in reverse if you’ve zeroed your dot and are putting iron sights on for some reason. However, it’s important to note that it should be viewed the same as an initial boresight. It still needs to be zeroed at the appropriate distance. I will say that with something like a rifle where you have an absolute cowitness through an aperture, I’ve found slaving to require no adjustment. Conversely, both handgun red dots and lower 1/3 cowitness put the dot off center which also results in more parallax shift. Still, slaving is something I consider to be on par with boresighting and must be confirmed or fine tuned to the zero distance of choice.
I think the best way to say it and maybe the title of the video shoulda been "Let the dot speak for itself". The dot sitting a top the front sight clutters the sight picture up for most people to the point it makes it difficult to be precise with aiming and that shows up farther and farther away you go. When you press the gun out to the target and your sight picture is the dot all by itself on the target with the irons down below it, it makes for more precise aiming no matter the size of the dot and it's also going to speed most shooters up because of the less cluttered sight pic. Love the videos Aaron.
I just got my red dot and I all videos i watch were about you have to zero your red do t to your sight till I saw this video and man you make sense thank you for making this video
Thanks for this!! Last night I zeroed three weapons with a bore laser, green laser, and iron sights. Back to the drawing board. Wife and I are going to have to agree on a convention for where all of our weapons are zeroed. Appreciated your point of view... not to be confused with point of impact or point of aim. [chuckle] Sorry, couldn't help it.
Definitely works... With my 509 tactical zeroed at 25yds I shot 3 shots at 3 and 7 yards and 5 shots at 15 and 25 yards put all 16 shots inside of 2.5".
Thank you thank you thank you. No one has ever been able to explain it to me like that yet! I have asked people dozens of times and no one's been able to explain cowitness with a red.. obviously I don't have a red. And have thought about getting one. I'm subscribing to your channel for sure!
Thank you for this video, I’m interested to shoot now that I’ve recently bought a laser bullet and zeroing my RMR mounted optic messing around at 25 meters or close enough from the farthest point of my house...on a 3x5 card. My dot is perfect with my front post(Trijicon suppressor night sights) That said, the poa and poi would be in a perfect world with no drop. I’m heading to range with an open mind and adjust my optic accordingly. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
I know it might be redundant, but any chance you could offer a similar video format/explanation catered to AR/Rifle red dot zeroing and slaving to the irons vs. separate zeroing? I'd be interested to see the results you get with typical carbine distances 50/100/200.
I wanted to add a red dot to my all-time favorite CZ 9, and sent it to Cajun Gun Works for an optical cut and the placement of long iron back-up sights. They did an excellent job and bore tested the red dot and iron sights. For CZ's, they're the man.
Thanks doe the video. I literally just got done slaving my Dot to my irons at 11 yards. Was really confused by what felt like adding clutter. I wasn’t really thinking about height over bore and plane or impact between the he two sets of sights either. Anyway. Going to rewatch this and figure out what I actually need to do with my red dot the next time I’m at the range.
Thanks Aaron. I had no idea that I was doing it wrong. Your demonstration makes a lot of sense. I got my red dot about a month ago and assumed you slave it to the irons. Oppps.
This is a good video with good information. My suppressor height fiber optics sit in the position that the point of aim for the fiber-optic fits right in the center of a 4-inch Target at 7 to 10 yards. Traditionally iron sights would go underneath the target, but in my case they sit right on top of it. This is probably by Factory design so that the fiber-optic upfront appears like a red dot. For that reason, I use a Halosun 507c with the circle only option. The circle sits around the fiber-optic, and the two work together. I'm not saying you're wrong, but put away my iron sights it, I have to slave the circle dot to irons to get hits at 50 yards.
I learned about pistol RDS from Suarez International back in 2010 and have had a Glock 26/JPoint and a 19/RMR since 2011. I'm sure you are familiar with their doctrine, which is almost exactly opposite yours. Maybe one of the problems is that people don't zero their irons for a specific range, and just run with what came out of the box. I change front heights or file them down until I have the zero I want. The dot on my pistols happens to just sit on top of my front when I line up the irons. From the SI site: "The use of co-witnessed iron sights is a crucial factor in the usability of the red dot on a pistol (sighted at the same point as the red dot). With the traditional placement of the iron sights, sights that the eye has been trained to seek through countless draws in the past, the eye will go to the irons initially as they have always done in the past. The instant the iron sights are picked up, BAM, there is the red dot, and the eye can let go of the irons and use the red dot...ignoring the irons for any further use. The "visual hand-off" takes place and becomes automatic. The irons serve as "runway lights" or visual anchors to get the eye where it needs to be to pick up the red dot. There are no shortcuts...there is one proven way to operate a red dot system on a handgun." It shortens the learning curve and takes less time to acquire the dot once you have trained it. This way has always worked for me and hundreds of others.
That method is visually confusing and allows for far more parallax in the zero. It works, but it can’t work as well. The method I teach results in a shorter learning curve.
Thank you for putting this together. My takeaway is (1) try a 25 meter zero; and (2) don’t slave to the iron sights. I have been shooting for decades, and work part time as an RSO at our local outdoor range. It seemed like the time to learn about red dots. I’m dedicating one firearm to red dot aiming. Using one of my HK VP9s but this time with a longer Match barrel and equipped with an Aimpoint ACRO P2, with suppressor height sights. I’m sure that you have saved me a great deal of time. As an RSO I am frequently asked from newer shooters how to do pretty much everything so I felt it was time to get a red dot and become familiar with them. Thanks again for a logical explanation that I will pass on. Having a myriad of gear to do this with, it is clearly better just to go to those who do this for a living! Before looking at your video I assumed that all I would have to do was stick my Laserlyte boresight tool in my muzzle, adjust my Omega red laser (rail mounted) to the boresight tool, and finally, align the Acro to co-witness all those red laser dots. And somewhere in that process, see where the taller iron sight lines up with this! One suggestion to cat owners: Try this without a cat in the room. She will just be a distraction as I try to align all those red dots!!
solid points as always
Every single video, Aaron drops a knowledge bomb and I learn something.
And this is exactly why I love your channel. As a new shooter, this is valuable information. I’m getting an rmr soon and am gonna be taking a class to learn how to properly use it, but videos like this seriously help my confidence especially since I’m legally blind without my glasses. God forbid I get them knocked off I can barely see the front sight but I CAN see ared dot. It’d be nice if you did a video on why a red dot is floating as opposed to just say painting a cross hair on the rmr glass (aka those old non magnifying Soviet scopes). Thank you so much for the informative video I had no idea why the dot shouldn’t be ON the front sight... keep up the awesome work!
Literally my favorite channel. Thanks for always giving good information. Really appreciate the knowledge transfer you provide!
I just zeroed my first RMR on Monday. Glad I did it the right way, although I did zero it for 15 instead of 25 yards. As always Aaron, thanks for another great knowledge filled video!
Slaving the red dot to the irons is a fine way to get the optic zeroing started. Then move it accordingly based on your preferred zero distance. All my RDS pistols have suppressor height sights, then I drop the dot slightly above half way of the sight. That gives me a pretty accurate 25yd zero.
I just zeroed my red dot to my 509t with suppressor height sights and the red dot is like on it like where the front post dot is , I think I did it wrong, since you mentions you had suppressor height sights that's why I'm asking
It’s been some years but I just got my first red dot. You are saying to split the dot with my front post correct?
@@jonathanaldana4941 on suppressor height sights will give you a pretty accurate 25 yard zero right about middle of the front sight post. If you are using standard height I’d slave to the top or the dot on the sight post. You can fine tune from there, but I’ve found it’s the fastest way to get in the A zone and nit burn trough a bunch of ammo. I almost every of my semi pistols have dots and it works for me!
I just got my first dot today. Was looking for information on the best way to zero. First video I watched slaved it to the front sight. So glad I kept looking. Thank you for putting this up 🤘
Thanks for this video. Just received my RMR yesterday so it’s not yet installed. I’ve been watching several videos and digesting the information. For the life of me I couldn’t wrap my head around co-witnessing to the iron sights. Thanks for confirming my thoughts and putting my mind at ease. Great video!
Appreciate the education, just started with RMR and was looking for information to help me be knowledgeable about how to use it. Great video on this.
After 7 years of ccw I’m making the jump to the dot. I needed this video to spur my thinking in solving the irons question for my first set up to put through its paces before carrying it. Thank you.
I just made the jump. It's really weird so far trying not to focus on the irons.
Went to the range yesterday did some "slaving".
Now i gotta go back...
Just great info and great explanations. I do like how you encourage the audience to think. Very well done! Thanks and keep em coming
I have been searching and searching for a video just like this for WEEKS! I REALLY appreciate the sight picture visuals for zeroing the red dot. Love your videos man
Thank you for taking the time to discuss this. "Old Dogs, New Tricks" Sometimes we are slow to learn.
You are spot on. The only area we differ is in yardage to zero. Since self defense is the overriding issue in using a handgun, and with most shooting events happening within 7 yards, I recommend red dot zero be at 10 yards with a full understanding of POA modification with red dot to achieve a POI at distances greater than 10 but equal to or less than 25 yards.
Yeah no. 25 yard zero will hit about 2 inches low at 7 yards, which is negligible. You don't need exact point of aim point of impact at close range. Much better to be able to hit long range shots without putting much thought into it AND being able to hit with more than sufficient accuracy at close range.
@@Boogaloogian Great Point 💯💯💯
Aaron, there is no doubt that being a firearms instructor is your calling man. I would venture to say that you are the most knowledgeable and well spoken instructor that I have ever come across. I really wish that I lived closer so that I could take one or more of your courses. Thanks for putting in the time to help people like myself.
Facts. This dude has me and many so much. He's underappreciated.
Thank you Aaron. Your videos mean a great deal to a lot of people.
Again, great information presented in a factual, intelligent, and simple yet professional manner. Predictably excellent.
Thanks! This video was a very informative and to my mind presented good logical reasoning and evidence. Reading through the comments and replies was also quite helpful, especially the USCCA stats on percentages of shooting at various ranges (with the vast majority in the 9-15 ft range).
Another concise and detailed explanation of the topic with the usual "and here's why" that Aaron always provides!
I rewatched this vid after 2 years and I gotta say that this video and you, Mr. Cowan, more than any other human have radically improved my pistol shooting and my meliorated (look it up) my enjoyment of pistol shooting geometrically. Dude, It's a major item on my retirement budget now!
Today you have went from just "Subscribed" to now "Subscribed and Notified". This is one of the FEW channels that I watch, and listen to when it comes to firearm stuff. Thanks again!
I used to get into arguments over this very subject ALL THE TIME! Now, whenever the subject comes up it's as simple as linking this wonderful video!
dude, your videos are so helpful and make so much sense.!!
I"m at a point in my life where these videos reinforce what I already do or already know. However, this was new to me and makes perfect sense. Time for me to start doing this. Thanks Aaron!
Yeah, this definitely clears up what I was struggling with. Thanks!
Excellent information! Just mounted my first RMR and was wondering what the correct method of sighting in would be...now I know! Thanks again for the info and another Great video!
You are the bomb Aaron. Always love your segments because you’re not just talking BS you give the proof. Keep up the great work.
Excellent lesson man. I
really appreciate you going over this. It makes so much sense.
Very helpful video, thank you. Wish I'd seen it before I sighted in my Sig P226 with the Romeo sight. I finally figured out on my own to just ignore the iron sights and shoot the dot.
Great information!! Thank you for the in depth video. What you describe makes perfect sense to me. I feel confident now, for when I can go get mine sighted in.
Well I learned something today. Now I need to go independently zero my red dot. Thanks Aaron keep up the videos they’ve taught me a lot.
My friend thank you for sharing such great information. I recently ordered a red dot and will be setting it up exactly how you said! Thank you again!
Thank you for addressing this. Something I read all the time out there that folks just have to have these super tall sights to co-witness the dot. Never made sense to me. Just zero the dot, and as long as I can see the irons, it's all good. They are back up, and if they are neatly tucked away at 1/3 or even 1/4 of the lower window, I'm a happy camper. No need to make it any more complicated.
Best video I’ve seen on the topic of zeroing the red dot. Nobody else I’ve seen explained it this well
Awesome information, extremely helpful! Been watching many of your videos, this video made me a follower for sure.
Glad this video was recommended, because your other video suggested slaving the rmr to the irons!!
I just watched a bunch of other videos on this and you explained it the best. Thank you
Thank you.
There's almost no other videos on the topic of using red dots that mentions that "co-witness" on a pistol actually refers to a lower 1/3 or lower 1/4 view of the iron sights in the optic window, not absolute co-witness or "slaved", like you said, where the iron sights and red dot are all aligned into a single sight picture.
I got pretty frustrated having to do so much searching to find this simple but necessary information.
Instant sub.
Thanks again man, very much appreciated.
This was a topic I was actually curious about and you definitely made good points.
This was some good info now I'm going to the range this weekend to re zero my dot with carry ammo and not slaved to my iron.
Thank you. I just received my slide back from being milled for a lower 1/3 height. I noticed that I ran out of adjustment on my RMR trying to get the dot down to the level of my stock front sight post. After listening to your video I now realize the error of my ways.
My setup is not a full co witness but a lower 1/3 i believe. I will try zeroing independently and see the results. Helpful video from someone with more experience and knowledge than myself. cheers great vid
Slaving the red dot to the irons is a good way to bore sight to get on paper faster with less rounds. After that, zero it to the range you choose.
Exactly
I thought that was reasonably obvious. I find it a little strange that anyone would think otherwise.
130shooter1, if you disagree with what this video advocates, can you explain or provide a source that explains why slaving to the sights is better? I'm trying to do my homework and would appreciate it.
Thank you.
@@LaRemnant I don't disagree with him. Slaving the red dot to the irons is a good *starting point*. Just place the red dot so that it hovers just above your front sight. that'll get you on/ close to target. then zero the dot to the range of your choosing.
But they do.
Along with the excellent information presented in this video that I have gleaned, I have a new found desire to obtain a metric 25M tape measure.
I watched a bunch of your videos today and I think they're awesome videos I'm surprised they haven't come across your channel before
Well done. Concise, factual, informative. Thank you.
Thanks for the knowledge Aaron. I'm thinking of getting a CZ P10F. This will help me out alot Sir.
Thank you Aaron. I thought I would be gtg with my rds slaved zero thinking it wouldn't matter for home defence. Took it to the range and if I would've encountered a perpetrator with one of my kids as a shield between us and I took the shot, the chance of me hitting my son in the face was in fact possible. At 20 yards my hits were way left and a bit high while at ten yards it was not that significant. A real eye opener for sure. I sincerely thank you and appreciate inmencely your effort and dedication to this way.
I’m glad I watched this video. I zeroed my red dot yesterday and I didn’t think it was right that when holding my G19 my dot was up to the left post zero while looking through my irons. It was hitting in a tight group, but I thought it was weird that my dot was far away from my irons. So when I got home, I slaved the dot to my irons. Now after watching, I know it was ok it just happened to be where my dot was zeroed, it was just strange to me and messed with my OCD that my irons and dot were aways apart. Thanks for the video. Time to re zero lmao
IF you have zeroed your irons to the gun already, then slaving the dot to them is a great place to start. I don’t care if we’re talking rifle, pistol, absolute cowitness, lower 1/3 cowitness, etc. You can even do it in reverse if you’ve zeroed your dot and are putting iron sights on for some reason. However, it’s important to note that it should be viewed the same as an initial boresight. It still needs to be zeroed at the appropriate distance. I will say that with something like a rifle where you have an absolute cowitness through an aperture, I’ve found slaving to require no adjustment. Conversely, both handgun red dots and lower 1/3 cowitness put the dot off center which also results in more parallax shift. Still, slaving is something I consider to be on par with boresighting and must be confirmed or fine tuned to the zero distance of choice.
I think the best way to say it and maybe the title of the video shoulda been "Let the dot speak for itself". The dot sitting a top the front sight clutters the sight picture up for most people to the point it makes it difficult to be precise with aiming and that shows up farther and farther away you go. When you press the gun out to the target and your sight picture is the dot all by itself on the target with the irons down below it, it makes for more precise aiming no matter the size of the dot and it's also going to speed most shooters up because of the less cluttered sight pic. Love the videos Aaron.
I had an argument about this with someone recently. I’m saving this video. Nice presentation!
Being new to red dots this information has been extremely helpful. Thank you
Thank you for excellent tutorial, clear and to the point.
the world needed this video. Great job.
Great info; this is what I have been looking for in individual red dot zero
I just got my red dot and I all videos i watch were about you have to zero your red do t to your sight till I saw this video and man you make sense thank you for making this video
My cog just closed the distanance. Tankx for the well thought out info!
Great info. I normally slave the dot when I need to get my rounds on target before actually zeroing the dot at 25.
Thanks for this!! Last night I zeroed three weapons with a bore laser, green laser, and iron sights. Back to the drawing board. Wife and I are going to have to agree on a convention for where all of our weapons are zeroed. Appreciated your point of view... not to be confused with point of impact or point of aim. [chuckle] Sorry, couldn't help it.
Definitely works... With my 509 tactical zeroed at 25yds I shot 3 shots at 3 and 7 yards and 5 shots at 15 and 25 yards put all 16 shots inside of 2.5".
Great Information and presented very thoroughly and educational to the avid shooter.
This is great information! now I can more easily explain to my customers why not to slave the optic to the irons! Thank you!
Another great video. I'd been zeroing my dot to 10 yards. 25 seems to make sense. Thanks!
Wow! I'm gonna have to watch this a couple of times and take notes.
Thank you thank you thank you. No one has ever been able to explain it to me like that yet! I have asked people dozens of times and no one's been able to explain cowitness with a red.. obviously I don't have a red. And have thought about getting one. I'm subscribing to your channel for sure!
Thank you for this video, I’m interested to shoot now that I’ve recently bought a laser bullet and zeroing my RMR mounted optic messing around at 25 meters or close enough from the farthest point of my house...on a 3x5 card. My dot is perfect with my front post(Trijicon suppressor night sights) That said, the poa and poi would be in a perfect world with no drop. I’m heading to range with an open mind and adjust my optic accordingly. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Which i had seen this video weeks ago. So much wrong info on youtube. Thanks man, you changed my shooting for the better.
Learning has occurred. Thank you sir.
Thanks for the information. Excellent video as usual.
Aaron, great information. People can certainly learn from what you are saying....
Thx for sharing your kind knowledge
I only lollipop initially to get me on paper then I just zero the red dot. Awesome video man and your shooting skills are fantastic!
I know it might be redundant, but any chance you could offer a similar video format/explanation catered to AR/Rifle red dot zeroing and slaving to the irons vs. separate zeroing? I'd be interested to see the results you get with typical carbine distances 50/100/200.
I wanted to add a red dot to my all-time favorite CZ 9, and sent it to Cajun Gun Works for an optical cut and the placement of long iron back-up sights. They did an excellent job and bore tested the red dot and iron sights. For CZ's, they're the man.
Great explanation - keep up the good work. I can see what you are saying and when I get my holosun 508 or 509 I will try it.
Great information brother, thanks. Man theres a freaking fatwood forest were the video is being shot..AWESOME.
Great info, cleared up a lot for me. Thank you.
Thanks doe the video. I literally just got done slaving my Dot to my irons at 11 yards. Was really confused by what felt like adding clutter. I wasn’t really thinking about height over bore and plane or impact between the he two sets of sights either. Anyway. Going to rewatch this and figure out what I actually need to do with my red dot the next time I’m at the range.
My man! Thanks for sharing the knowledge
Aaron, very well explained, thanks.
Thanks for making videos like this. You just saved me beaucoup $$$$!!!!
*Realizes his red dot is slaved to his iron sights*
"Please halp...."
Yeah spends ten minutes telling you what’s wrong and don’t tell you how he sighted it in at 25
@@NTurman hm?
Nic Turman he has a video on that.
Underground Railroad?
Don't axe me to slave again..
Thanks Aaron. I had no idea that I was doing it wrong. Your demonstration makes a lot of sense. I got my red dot about a month ago and assumed you slave it to the irons. Oppps.
Aaron said to lollipop the dot to the front sight in 2016.
Excellent video and great points made.
Learned something new today. Great vid.
This is a good video with good information. My suppressor height fiber optics sit in the position that the point of aim for the fiber-optic fits right in the center of a 4-inch Target at 7 to 10 yards. Traditionally iron sights would go underneath the target, but in my case they sit right on top of it. This is probably by Factory design so that the fiber-optic upfront appears like a red dot. For that reason, I use a Halosun 507c with the circle only option. The circle sits around the fiber-optic, and the two work together.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but put away my iron sights it, I have to slave the circle dot to irons to get hits at 50 yards.
This is a criminally underviewed video.
Thank you for the info Aaron.
This is a legendary video. Thanks for this hidden knowledge.
Very interesting analysis. You just made me rethink my setup. Excellent video as usual! 🫡
Awesome content....as have been all of the videos I've seen you post.
I’m adhd and listening to some people explain things I can’t stay focused. I completely understand what is being explained and now I really get it.
I learned about pistol RDS from Suarez International back in 2010 and have had a Glock 26/JPoint and a 19/RMR since 2011. I'm sure you are familiar with their doctrine, which is almost exactly opposite yours. Maybe one of the problems is that people don't zero their irons for a specific range, and just run with what came out of the box. I change front heights or file them down until I have the zero I want. The dot on my pistols happens to just sit on top of my front when I line up the irons. From the SI site:
"The use of co-witnessed iron sights is a crucial factor in the usability of the red dot on a pistol (sighted at the same point as the red dot). With the traditional placement of the iron sights, sights that the eye has been trained to seek through countless draws in the past, the eye will go to the irons initially as they have always done in the past. The instant the iron sights are picked up, BAM, there is the red dot, and the eye can let go of the irons and use the red dot...ignoring the irons for any further use.
The "visual hand-off" takes place and becomes automatic. The irons serve as "runway lights" or visual anchors to get the eye where it needs to be to pick up the red dot. There are no shortcuts...there is one proven way to operate a red dot system on a handgun."
It shortens the learning curve and takes less time to acquire the dot once you have trained it.
This way has always worked for me and hundreds of others.
That method is visually confusing and allows for far more parallax in the zero. It works, but it can’t work as well. The method I teach results in a shorter learning curve.
Thank you for putting this together. My takeaway is (1) try a 25 meter zero; and (2) don’t slave to the iron sights. I have been shooting for decades, and work part time as an RSO at our local outdoor range. It seemed like the time to learn about red dots. I’m dedicating one firearm to red dot aiming. Using one of my HK VP9s but this time with a longer Match barrel and equipped with an Aimpoint ACRO P2, with suppressor height sights. I’m sure that you have saved me a great deal of time. As an RSO I am frequently asked from newer shooters how to do pretty much everything so I felt it was time to get a red dot and become familiar with them. Thanks again for a logical explanation that I will pass on. Having a myriad of gear to do this with, it is clearly better just to go to those who do this for a living! Before looking at your video I assumed that all I would have to do was stick my Laserlyte boresight tool in my muzzle, adjust my Omega red laser (rail mounted) to the boresight tool, and finally, align the Acro to co-witness all those red laser dots. And somewhere in that process, see where the taller iron sight lines up with this! One suggestion to cat owners: Try this without a cat in the room. She will just be a distraction as I try to align all those red dots!!
thanks for the info i just started using a rmr this month but i will use this method those groups are night and day different.
Well, Guess its back to the range! (like I need an excuse)
I'm pretty new to having one on a pistol.
Thanks for the info on this topic.
Best pistol shooter channel on youtube, hands down.
Great video! Thanks for the information, even if it may not be "popular" with some!