I didn't at first until I bought a Glock22 back in January 2021 when 9mm ammo was nowhere to be found but 40s&w was always in stock by the stacks. Now it's my favorite pistol caliber.
Yes sir, your statement is correct. The technology and regards to bullet design and Performance has improved dramatically over the last two decades. I do think there is a pretty strong economic case for the 9 mm especially when it comes to practice and attending lots of training classes. Bottom line, whatever caliber is chosen, it is incumbent upon the operator to train, practice, and develop their proficiency. All the best and stay safe.
There's also a strong training case for 9mm, in that more shooters can make more good hits more often than with 40. If a shooter can't control the recoil of 40, then far better they shoot 9mm and repeatedly hit what they aim at. Combine that with better 9mm ammo (no longer needing +P or +P+ ammo as in the 80's-90's-00's when US loadings were often too weak to ensure expansion or penetration of the available bullet designs), and the use-case for the 40 goes away. I own a G22, qualified for duty carry a number of years, but am looking at 9mm going forward as certain medical issues make 40 a little "bitey" after just 30 rounds.
Spot on. Good sound explanation and advice. Agree 100%. I am partial to 40 for many reasons. But don't hate the 9 and have carried a few off & on occasionally.
Living in a state which limits magazine capacity to 10 rounds, the .40 cal makes more sense to me. Totally agree with you that live ammo practice is necessary to ensure proficiency.
The “new tech” is in the 40 too. That is why 40 is better than 9 (and always has been). You’ve chosen wisely to carry a 40 over a 9. I won’t carry 9 on duty even though they issue me one. My personally owned 40 goes to work with me. In my experience, in nearly 30 years as LEO, the 9mm has shown to be lacking. I don’t trust “the adequate 9mm” to get me home…I want more.
The 357 Sig is a phenomenal caliber. Get a 9mm conversion barrel and do most of your practice with that one. End each session with some 357 Sig and your good to go. Toss some 40 in there once in a while. Hell, you can even get a 22lr conversion kit and shoot that too. Four calibers out of one gun, I’d call that versatility.
Amazing how some folks don’t know ballistics , most all calibers have improved with science. The best thought I have to offer , your only as good with calibers you train with period. End of debate , getting hits , shot placement, I know you touched on all that , great job . K
I carry a 9mm but just bought a police trade in glock 22 out of curiosity, and you are spot on. A little holster wear but lightly fired, And runs flawlessly. (I put around 10 mags through it yesterday) I did however have to break it completely down to clean it from all the lint and debris but other than that, I have absolutely no regrets for $359!!!
Thanks for commenting. Yes I 100 percent agree. police trades are often an excellent deal. The nice thing about a Glock 22 or 23 is you can purchase a conversion barrel to shoot 9 mm in. Essentially allowing you one frame and slide to shoot two different calibers. Thanks for watching!
I would much rather have 15 rounds of 40 then 17 rounds of 9 mm any day. Especially out of a full-size Duty weapon with a 4-inch Barrel or better. Hence my M&P 2.0 4.25 inch barrel in 40 Smith & Wesson. Probably too big for concealed carry but I do it anyway. I'd rather have a large gun that's hard to conceal then a small gun that wants to jump out of your hand when you shoot it. I'm looking at youSig p365. Plus all the other micro 9s that aren't really worth the lack of size and weight.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. The P365 XL is pretty much my go to every day carry gun. Hard not to like this pistol… video review on the channel.
My p365xl holds 20 rounds and is way easier to not make yourself an open and obvious target with since you’ll never know it’s even on me. That’s with a weapon light and an optic too and it doesn’t jump out of anything.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLCthe 365xl is a champ when it comes to EDC. It’s a very hard gun to beat especially with how accurate it is. I’ll never carry another Glock, Springfield, Walther, or anything else ever again as long as I have my sig.
I am a huge fan of the 40 S&W and that is my personal choice for carry, and I do shoot well with it, but the disadvantage I do find with using the 40 S&W over the 9mm, is the price of ammunition. Especially for someone who has a budget like myself, it is very difficult to get to practice with it very often. Other than the price on ammunition, since I do very well with it, I would rather trust my life with a 40 S&W then a 9mm but as you stated, there are very effective 9mm ammunition out there these days that can definitely get the job done so I guess it really doesn't matter too much these days. I've just had a bias for the 40 S&W for the longest time.
The .40 Smith & Wesson cartridge is certainly a solid performer. It sounds like that is the best option for you. As I’ve stated Ione pistols in this caliber, and have great respect for it. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. I hope you will subscribe.
If you have trouble affording ammunition you might consider buying a .38 Special and reloading your own ammunition. .38 Special is the most reloaded handgun in the world and with handloads can match the 9mm in ballistics. It doesn't match the .40 but you may have to give up something to be able to afford to shoot.
Back in the day, way back, I was part of a midsize police department. We were allowed to carry what ever we could qualify with. I carried a 4” S&W model 57 in 41 mag. In that revolver I carried my own 170 grn. hand loads pushing at about 1100 fps. I used this load while hunting as well and it did well on four footed critters. I was well satisfied and happy as a clam. The the department issued us the Sig. p220 in .45 acp to the uniformed officers and the Sig p239 in .357 Sig for the plainclothes officers. All other firearms were no longer allowed. As I had about this time become a plainclothes officer I was issued the p239 but got permission to use the p220 as well. I had no problems with either handgun, but always done a tad better with the p239 in .357 sig 9:32 for reasons beyond my understanding. I had no problems with recoil recovery with either pistol or the old .41 mag of days gone by. Today I’m retired and carry a S&W M&P .40 S&W. It’s not hard to find loads that mimic my old .41 mag loads of yesteryears. I do have a 9mm in a Walther P38 which I play with from time to time. I do not find the recoil of it to be more manageable than my M&P 40. Since I reload I’m not concerned with the cost of ammo and while the effectiveness of the 40 over the 9 is only marginal I will take that small margin over bullet capacity.
I'm retired LEO here in NJ, and my daily carry is my trusty Gen-3 G23. , and Yes, sometimes I Drop a .357 Sig barrel in, for kicks and the devastation that round gives.
Great choice but the 357sig is a better caliber with superior ballistics..energy & penetration!! 👍 but I believe in NJ you can't carry hollow point (completely moronic) so 40sw fmj would likely be better
@@kevinrichardson8859 Correct, even for retired LE you can't use Hollow points simply because of the ignorance of this State. So in warmer months, I put the lightest 155 gr. flat-point FMJ into my G-23, and in winter time, I put in the 180 gr.
Thanks for your service to the community. I think if I were ever forced to live in New Jersey, I would only carry a .45 ACP most likely in the form of a Glock 21 or G30.
Gun store people are often dumb lol. Overheard an employee at one go on and on about ".380 guys like me, actually know what pistols are the best, and this is THE .380 to have". I look over and he's pulling out a SCCY from under the counter. I just mentally roll my eyes, grab the ammo I came for and left.
Thanks for watching commenting. I don’t think gun store people are dumb rather I think they do not do proper discovery regarding the potential needs of their clientele. Thanks for commenting. Stay safe.
I agree, a lot of the gun store guys don't know anything except black rifles. I took a Lipsey's Ruger #1 to a gun shop to have them sell it for me. It's a .35 Whelen caliber and when I told them none of them knew what that was. I then told them it's about the same as a 9.3x62 and none of them had ever heard of that caliber. One of the most popular cartridges worldwide and none of them knew what I was talking about. Needless to say I did not sell my rifle through them.
Sir, you have excellent taste. I too like the G19 and G23. If you haven’t already, I hope you will consider subscribing to the channel and sharing with friends and family.
I like the .40 a lot, I like them all really but I started with the .40 S&W. I think that most people go with what is cheapest to shoot, which pretty much means 9mm plus there's no shortage of 9mm's out there. Between the two, I'd prefer .40 over 9mm if given the choice.
Sir, thank you so much for watching and commenting. I hear what you’re saying. I have a couple of .40 pistols and enjoy them. Still, my everyday carry pistol is a 9 mm. Today’s quality defensive ammunition really helps that choice. Plus, I can practice a lot more With the 9 mm. Ammunition is just more available and less expensive. Thanks again for commenting. Stay safe
I was lucky to survive a 1974 gunfight, reloading under fire, w/armed robbery suspects w/my issued thirty-eight revolver. I fired 12 rounds but only got 4 center mass hits before the suspect went down. We were shooting at each other across the hoods of our cars and the rounds that missed all went into the suspect’s vehicle.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience and perspective. Also, thank you for the services provided as a law enforcement officer. I hope you will subscribe to the channel.
I like both .40 S&W and 9mm. I acknowledge the advantages of 9mm when it comes to economy, capacity, and recoil. That said, I've been extremely impressed by the performance of many .40 hollow points in ballistic gel, especially in the 150 to 165 grain range. From what I've seen, .40 S&W is a bit more versatile. The weaker .40 loads have similar energy to 9mm, and the really hot ones get into true 10mm and even .357 magnum territory. Underwood's 155 grain XTP @ 1300 FPS hits with nearly 600 lb ft/lbs of energy. .40 S&W isn't too terribly expensive to shoot, either. I think pistol selection is a little more important when it comes to .40 than it is with 9mm due to the recoil characteristics of the cartridge. My P226 in .40 S&W was a police trade-in. It's in almost mint condition, and you can tell it was rarely shot. I got a hell of a deal on it, plus I can convert it to 9mm for $200-250 if I want to.
Thanks for sharing your insights. There are some amazing deals on used police trades and often these pistol are in very good conditions and have been rebuilt by the factory. Thanks for commenting. Hope you'll subscribe.
9 is a good place to start and will serve u well. It's great for more types of shooters with full range of ammo from cheaper range to expensive home defense and even wilderness protection with 147 gr hard cast for instance. It's kinda like a jack of all trades in a very good way. If you only have one semi-auto, 9mm is a good choice, kinda like if you have one revolver a double action .357 mga/.38 spl is a good choice.
Sir, thank you so much for watching and commenting. The .40 S&W caliber is definitely a solid performer. I would note that the FBI and many of the top law-enforcement agencies have gone back to the 9 mm using the latest technology for hollow points or something like the Hornady critical duty 135 grain plus P flex tip. Every single combat, veteran or officer, I’ve met who’s been involved in a gunfight says shot placement is the deciding factor. Personally, I am agnostic about the 9 mm versus .40 or .45. The operator should use the caliber. They are most proficient with and are able to deliver combat effective hits on target under the extreme stress of a gunfight. Once again, thank you so much for commenting and sharing your perspective. I hope you will consider sharing the channel and subscribing if you find our content interesting.
the 40 had the equivalent first round stop rate as a 357 magnum in FBI tests with superior Magazine capacity . It even has higher ft/lb than a 45 hitting power due to the higher velocity combo and bullet weight of the 40 . I believe in time the 40 will make 9mm obsolete . The new 9mm ammo is an improvement , but still a way inferior to the 40 .
Many thanks for watching and commenting. I own a couple of .40 pistols. I think it’s a very good option for personal protection or self-defense. As far as the .40 taking over the 9 mm, that ship has sailed. Most law-enforcement have moved away from the .40 and gone back to the 9 mm. This is primarily due to the fact that the 9 mm has had major advancements in bullet shape and performance. In addition, it’s more economical for large departments and groups like the FBI to train with and shoot. The FBI uses the Hornady critical defense flex tip ammunition with 135 grain +P set up …it’s very effective for both penetration and expansion. I’m agnostic on caliber as long as the operator is proficient with their weapon and can deliver combat effective hits under stress. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment. I appreciate that and hope you will consider subscribing to the channel.
Mmm - the 40 still beats any 9mm plus by a fair margin - I’ll take superior firepower when my life depends on it , thanks anyway As for “ most” switching back to 9mm I seriously doubt it Some is more accurate
Subscribed. Considering an trade in M&P 40 and getting 357Sig and 9mm barrels for it. Currently theyre cheap to obtain. Purchase teo of those trade ins and barrels and still be under $1k and spend the rest on ammo. Im left handed and wondering the M&P is better suited for my lefty disability than the old Glock gen 3 i have. I get by with glock but it would be an welcome convenience to have ambi controls
The M&P will is better for someone who is left handed. Slide stop/release is ambidextrous. ALso a simple swap of the the mag release from the from the right side to the left side will work well. I'm seeing M&P .40s used for around 350 through FFLs. And the barrels for 9 and .357 are inexpensive. The mags for the .40 and .357 are the same and these can be purchased used for very little. Add a few 9mm mags and you're good to go! Hope you'll subscribe.
So your pistol has 2different barrel, so u can simultaneously shoot 2 different calibers? Or u can change and shoot a different caliber? If so I never knew this was possible.
With a Glock 22 you can get a dime millimeter conversion barrel, which will allow you to shoot 9 mm in the same pistol once the barrel has been replaced. Same thing with a Glock 23.
Advances in technology apply to both cartridges. For my purposes I prefer the .40 over the 9mm. The added mass of the bullet is a plus for me. I've done my own tests with both cartridges and I have little use for a 9mm.
Thank you for commenting. You make a very good point. The technology and bullet design has improved dramatically over the last decade. The .40 cartridge is a very good option. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment. I hope you will consider subscribing to the channel and checking out some of our other content.
Competitive action shooting is one of the best combat preparation training you can do. I say this because you generally will be competing in matches at least once a month. I'm a Cowboy Action shooter and you shoot handguns, lever action and shotguns all on the clock - which adds "pressure" and of course, you're shooting at multiple targets and moving. The targets aren't shooting back... and simunition force on force training is better but it's just not that available to a lot of folks. Good points made. And for the record, I lean towards larger caliber... but I've carried 9mm and feel well armed with them too - not to mention 38 Special +P.
Thank you for watching and commenting. I agree that action shooting can be beneficial and does have practical applications. My one concern with action shooting events is the potential to embed practices or what I call training scars, that could put you in grave danger if you were actually in a defensive, combative situation. I’ve had students who are competitive shooters, show up to a class and every time at the end of a firing sequence, they would unload their pistols or carbines. I asked them why they were doing it and they said that’s what they always did when they competed. As we all know, training that is done, over and over again tends to get embedded in our behavior. That being said, I do think there is a lot of advantage to stress, testing yourself under the watchful eyes of your competitors. This helps find where your breaking points are, and helps develop some inoculation against stress. I also agree with you 100% that the best way to develop actual comparative skills is force on force training. This could use simulation or a low-cost option like airsoft. we’ve used airsoft and a couple of classes to help people understand how quickly things can escalate. Especially if the defensive reaction is behind the stress curve. I agree with you that for many a larger caliber handgun is a great option. I know plenty of people who can shoot a 45 or .40 as quickly as I can shoot a 9 mm. At the end of the day it really comes down to combat effective hits on the target rather than speed. Whatever caliber is ultimately chosen, it isn’t coming up on the user to get proper training and continually develop their skills. I really appreciate you taking the time to come out and hopefully you will consider subscribing to the channel.
Put a .22lr, 32acp, 380acp, .38spl, 9mm, .357Sig, .40S&W or a .45acp in my hands and I'm good. Put a bow staff, cross bow, spear, sword, battle axe or throwing knife in my hands? I'm probably not going to make it...
It's a great video. In Mexico the maximum caliber allowed for civilians is 380. An apology. Use a translator I hope my message is understood. Greetings. Subscribed since 2017.
I came here looking for some ballistics info, but I'm leaving with knowledge to spread. I'm currently going to school for gunsmithing, but realistically I'd also like to get into training. While becoming an instructor might be long off. It is good to have great examples and reason to give clients. Thank you sir.
Sir, thanks for commenting and watching. Hope you'll subscribe and share the channel! If you get into teaching, remember the best instructors are alway learning, never arrogant and are always continuous learners.
So true about many public sector employees not being gun people despite perception. Working in private security we pay for our own gun, kit and training so the price of ammo is a consideration. That said I usually carry a Glock 17. Regardless what caliber one carries it's all about shot placement!
Sir, you are 100% on point. It’s all about shot placement. The ongoing debate about the perfect caliber or the right caliber seems to me miss placed. Ultimately it’s about the proficiency and skills of the operator. Yes, I’d much rather have a 9 mm, .40 or .45 ACP over a 22. However, I don’t know any human being, who wants to be shot with a 22. I appreciate you sharing your perspective and hope you will subscribe if you haven’t already.
Right on brother! Whatever Works and you have confidence in your ability to get hit on target. Ron I say. Thanks for commenting and watching. I hope you will subscribe to the channel.
Sir, you were 100% correct. In my mind, it’s a rather silly debate. I think people get hung up on justifying their decisions, rather than not caring so much about what other people do. The people I know how are interested in personal protection simply get training, practice like crazy and stress test their level proficiency with whatever tool they’ve selected. Folks I know who have been in a gunfight say it’s about shot placement and the ability to perform under the stress. The human survival instinct of not getting shot drives most bad people away once to firearm is produced. Thanks for watching and commenting. I hope you will subscribe and check out some of our other content.
My son is a Glock-a-holic I am a retired CATM, so I'm a bit more flexible. My theory is TB3. The Bigger the bullet, the better. .40 is more than 9, more rounds than .45. I know I'm good with a 9, I can put it where it needs to go.
Sir, thank you so much for commenting. I agree with your well reason logic. I appreciate you watching and commenting and hope you will consider subscribing to the channel and perhaps sharing it with your son and other family members.
I’ve been carrying the 9mm professionally now, going on year #34. I had a short stint where I switched to the .45 for about 6 years (12+1 capacity in the Hk USP) and went back to a 9mm (17+1) (Gen 5 Glock 17) for additional rounds in the gun. I Love the Gen5 Glock 22 and 23 with their thicker slides than previous generations. The G23 Gen5 will be the perfect EDC for me. I just 💙 the bigger (((OOMPF))) plus felt recoil of the .40. I can control double taps while remaining on target just fine with the .40.
I am new to all of this I only shot a 40cal the 9mm was to small for my hand for training class I need to go to a gun show to find what best fits my hand .I CAM FROM A NONE GUN FAMILY NOW I UNDERSTAND FIREARMS !!!
Sir, thanks for commenting. You mention the 9mm was too small. I'm assuming your'e referring to the frame on two different pistols you were shooting. The size of the caliber (9mm vs .40) is not attributed to the size of the frame of the pistol. Example: the Glock 17 (9mm) and the Glock 22 (.40) are effective the same size. Your best bet is to go to a shooting range that rents hand guns and try a few different brands in 9mm and .40,. In addition if you like both calibers and want one pistol buy a .40 that will take a 9mm conversion barrel. I have a S&W M&P .40 with conversion barrels for 9mm and .357 sig. Used M&P police trade in pistols are going for lsuper low prices. Hope this helps. Thanks for commenting and watching. I hope you'll subscribe to the channel and watch some of our other content.
In my opinion it is but you have to practice with it more than 9mm. I'm already used to the Glock22 & more accurate with it than my Glock19 & Beretta92FS.
Jack, thank you so much. I agree the plus P varieties of 9mm defense ammo them add some more felt recoil. However, you compare the .40 caliber in high-quality defensive load especially the 165 grade stuff and are pretty snappy but recoil. Again it’s really Subjective and it comes down to the operator being able to deliver combat hits of the stress of a fight. I think either one of these caliber would do a good job with the right ammo and someone who knows what they’re doing in terms of putting shots on target. Thanks for watching and commenting. If you haven’t already, I hope you will consider subscribing to the channel and shivering it with friends and family.
Any caliber has lethal potential if hit in the right spot. I agree whatever you like as long as you can shoot it good will work. I hear ppl down different calibers especially 380, 22, 38 but I wouldn't want hit with any, and they've all helped funeral homes business
Sir, thank you so much for taking the time to comment. Yes, often a popular 9 mm design will be added to other calibers that don’t have as much sales volume. I appreciate you watching and commenting and hope you will consider subscribing to the channel stay safe.
Time for the FBI to release the Stats that show the performance in real life shootings showing how many rounds it takes to stop the threat. I believe they have not done so as it would show it takes 7+ bullets to end the thugs. That is what I have seen on Police shootings on YT videos. In the time it takes to shoot 7+ rounds the other bad guys may well be shooting back so does it makes sense to have to focus on just one bad guy? Both the 40S7W and the .45acp plus the .357 Magnum will need less shots due to their increased power and they also make a bigger hole so the blood loss is faster. Too much emphasis is placed on velocity and shot placement ignoring the power of larger calibers and their bullet hole sizes they make. Remember all those old TV Westerns where one guy put down an opponent with just one shot of a 4.. or 45 caliber round? They did not have the velocity of the 9mm yet they were deadly.(That's a joke). We all need to ask for a National survey on the effectiveness of the 9mm just to see how good it really is.
Sir, thank you so much for your perspective. I’ve actually spoken with multiple trauma docs, EMTs, and people who have been involved in gun fights and in combat. There was a big article 3 or four years ago in one of the gun magazines where a law-enforcement officer used his 45 revolver and shot the bad guy six times. He was using jacketed hollow point ammunition’s, but the guy was jacked up on some kind of drugs. The bad guy was attacking him with a machete and I’ve been shot multiple times with the .45 ACP jacketed hollow point. He didn’t stop him. The cop went to his back up gun also a 45acp and put another four rounds into the threat. Ultimately, the bad guy was stop with an ocular cranial shot. Many of the police shootings you see on UA-cam are actually perpetrators being shot with the 40 Smith & Wesson caliber. At the end of the day, there is no specific handgun caliber that is guaranteed to neutralize a threat. There are too many other factors, including the influence of drugs, adrenaline, or simply the will to fight. But I have heard from multiple combat that’s is hits on target are the determining factor.
Where I'm from police are hitting perps 5 or more times with their Glock17s & most of the time they survive but when they carried Glock22s it took 2 or 3 shots & occasionally got 1 shot stops. Despite that new bullet tech.
Sir, I moved out here about five years ago after my wife passed away from cancer. My larger family is from Oregon. Over the last several months Unfortunately, Oregon has moved away from being a good place to live. They are on a hard track following the extreme, progressive left-wing folks toward stopping free speech, and the right to keep and bear arms.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I've been subscribed a long time but haven't been receiving notifications. You're right about Oregon. I used to live in WA but the politics would probably be too much for me now. It's a shame what's happened to the PNW.
Shot placement is what matters. If you get plugged five times in your sternum, you will not care if it's 9mm or 40. The ballistic difference between 9mm and 40 is really not that much. Everybody thinks that because of the dumb FBI ballistics testing years ago, and guess what the FBI uses now 9mm. If you are carrying 40, it's because someone told you to, or you are trying to hang on to what you did in the military or law enforcement 20 years ago. Today, both Army and Marine core issued pistols are 9mm. If you look at most police reports of shootings in the past couple of years, they are using 9mm. You can't beat it for the weight, capacity, price, and the availability
Sir, thank you so much for commenting. I couldn’t agree with you more. It is all about shot placement. Too many people get wrapped up in the right caliber, or the right ballistic gel, results or whatever. At the end of the day, it really comes down to shot placement and the ability of the operator to deliver combat effective hits Under the extreme stress of a fight. Thank you for watching and commenting. I hope you will subscribe and share the channel with friends and family.
I couldn’t agree more. Thanks for sharing your comment. One of the reasons that I own a few pistols in .40 Smith & Wesson caliber is to have options depending on which ammunition is available. At the same time, I strongly encourage anyone who is pro 2A to Always have a few thousand rounds of your main calibers ready so if you are unable to purchase it at least you have it in your stock pile. Thanks again for watching in commenting
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC strong agree. I found last shortage that I'll never stock pile enough 9mm for an extended shortage. Like a conflict deleting global supply of NATO. I did well the first year. But after training it was getting slim. So now I make sure to have matching platforms with domestic calibers
The 180gr JHP .40"SW out of a Glock23 deployed form IWB, has been my EDC compromise since 1990, and to this day... And I can't see any reason to change any of it either. By the way, all improvements on: Propellants, bullet construction and materials (bonded, ballistic tips, whatever...) are, as a matter of fact, present in all calibers out there (they are not restricted to the 9x19mm or the .40"SW, or the .45"ACP or any other caliber...). Therefore all calibers have improved across the board over the years. As for combat effectiveness, since shooting proficiency is a very perishable skill, no matter what caliber/platform/mean of carrying/deployment you chose, you have to do your part: 1- Learn how to become proficient with it, and 2- Train with it regularly in order to keep that skill sharp and relevant... I have found that you also need to practice with what you intend to carry on the real world, since your lightweight low-recoil trick range ammo, light competition trigger, light recoil spring and IPSC holster that are great for shooting fast, fast splits and impress your friends with fast "mag dumps" on the square range, will probably print in a different spot than your defensive ammo and probably might not do when the crap hits the fan. But I've also found that out of my G23, I can match fairly easy the printing characteristics on target out to 50m, controllability, felt recoil, etc. of the Rem 180grFMJ to those of the GoldenSaber 180grJHP; and the FMJ penetrating more than the JHP, they double duty nicely as 4 legged predator repellent as well as range fodder, and at a very reasonable price point... So, there's no magic cartridge/platform out there. There's just proficient skilled user who have thought it through, and un-proficient, un-skilled user. Chose wisely...
sir, are a wise man, indeed. It really does come down to proficiency. The 40 Smith & Wesson caliber is a very solid reliable one. Thank you so much for commenting.
Remington HTP 180 grain is my favorite 180 grain load for my Glock22 gen 3 it hits HARD & surprisingly light recoil for a 40s&w round. It's advertised velocities are 1,015 fps but I get a bit higher than that.
@@PerceptionVsReality333I have a couple of gen 3 glock 17’s and a gen 3 glock 22 that I just purchased, and as of yesterday I just learned that the difference in recoil is not very significant from what I could tell. In fact, After a couple of rounds after switching up, I couldn’t tell any difference at all and my groups were still consistent at 5 and 15 yards... 115 grain 9mm and 155 grain 40. S&W …I’m actually loving this 40. Cal
Sir, thank you for your comments on this video. I agree with everything you’ve said. I appreciate you taking the time to share this with the subscribers. If you haven’t already, I hope you will subscribe and share the channel with friends and family.
Copy that! For me I need to training and practice if I expect to be able to perform under the extreme stress of a violent encounter. The 9mm allows far mor practice for less money and this help maintain proficiency. I appreciate toy commenting. Hope you'll subscribe.
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, Portland to Eugene is the progressive fantasy playground. Their solution is to allow criminal violence but criminalize the law abiding citizen. Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows that the gun control is the underpinning of racism. It's always used by those in power to keep dissent and democracy at bay. I love the state but the politicians are extreme far left progressives who hate liberalism. They hate free speech, and any law that doesn't give them more power. Of my that 1000 people arrested for assault, battery and arson that happened in 2020, less than 8% we're prosecuted. Portland's progressive prosecutor only targets people who are not far left progressives.
Australian Army threw their 9MM away to get the 45 US Army weapon in Vietnam ! They didn't like having to use the whole clip to try and bring down a VC when the 45 took less rounds !! FACT !!!!!
I own a few .45 ACP pistols and a revolver in .45 ACP. Great round. I would note that virtually every law enforcement organization in the USA has ditched the .40 S&W and moved to the 9mm (FBI using G19s as are many in the NSW community). Why would they? Basically, better economics associated with training, its easier to shoot faster with great accurately. Today's high quality bonded or jacket hollow points or the flextip ammo by Hornady out perform the ball ammo of vietnam war. Yes, if ball ammo is the only choice I'd choose on of my .45s. Bottom line hits on target count, if you can do that with a .45 go for it. It's a proven performer. I carried one for a few years. Thanks for watching and commenting, Hope you'll subscribe!
That was because of fmj. 9mm was famous for low stopping power long before. But this was because of fmj. If you are not limited to fmj 9mm is much better.
To give people the false pretense that it's about what you like is utterly dishonest and retarded. If you have to say "it's about preference" then you may as well say 9mm is the better choice. But the truth is when it comes to performance 25-33% more size and energy is alot, therfore the .40 is easily the winner. But it may not be suitable if you are elderly or a woman. So 9mm may be the better choice.
Thanks for watching and for your comments. I appreciate your perspective. I may have been inarticulate with my point regarding using what you like. Let me do more specific. I recommend using a handgun that you are comfortable with and “proficient” with. Proficiency comes with practice. Proficiency comes with training. I carried and shot a Glock 23 for a few years. It was a fine handgun and certainly capable of delivering the results. However, I found I was faster and more accurate with a 9 mm. Bottom line I am agnostic over specific calibers. Getting shot in the face with several rounds of 22 long rifle ammunition could certainly put a person down. I’m not saying I would choose a 22 for self-defense, but ultimately the proficiency of the user and the ability to get combat effective hits on target does matter. Yes, barrel length, and velocity of bullets do matter as well. But, using today’s high-quality defensive ammunition, the performance of 9mm to .40 is not massive. I always recommend each operator decides what will work best for them, and then train until they are proficient with the tool they have selected. I’ve talked to several combat patrols, as well as EMTs and ER docs. These folks tell me it’s shot placement that is ultimately what stops threats. I believe the statistics or something like six out of every eight people shot with a handgun survive. This is largely due to the quality, medical care and trauma hospitals that abound in most major cities. And it’s also a fact that handguns are relatively ineffective as a tool. A long gun, or a shotgun at shorter distances has far more devastating impacts. As the saying goes, a handgun is what one uses to fight their way to the Rifle. It sounds like you appreciate the .40 caliber and I think that’s a great choice! Thanks again for taking the time to watch and comment. All the best and stay safe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC i actually did good testing for 9 and .40. The differences in performance ar MASSIVE. 25-35% with and average of 33% more size and energy is a huge gap. Gel testing does not show much other than gel penetration, heck a 22 magnum, 5.7 penetrate deeper than both with less actual effectiveness. When it comes to hard barriers, and deviation of hard object penetration, the .40 drastically outshines. Speed is very subjective. I am actually equally fast and accurate with both. You kinda proved my point when you stated you would not use a 22 despite being more accurate, less recoil and faster follow up shots when "shot placement" is what matters. I choose .40 over 9mm the same way i choose 9mm over 22lr. Simple decision.
@@adriansoto239 thank you for sharing your perspective. If .22 was the best I could manage then I would definitely use it. You feel the .40 caliber is the best one for you. And you have some tests that validate your particular view. There is also massive data showing the performance between the two is not significant. Next, multiple state and federal agencies have switched back to the 9mm. The FBI critical duty, 137+ P round has been shown extremely effective, particularly against art barriers. As I said, before, I am completely agnostic as far as caliber when it comes to the 9mm vs .40 debate. I own both and appreciate them. I once again, it comes down to the users, proficiency and ability to get combat affective hits under the extreme stress of a fight. If you can do that with a 40 then perhaps you should consider a 45 or a .357 Sig. Some people believe those two rounds are much more effective than the 9 mm or the .40. I do appreciate your comments and the fact that you shared your perspective. I think we can agree that having the ability to choose is a wonderful thing. All the best and stay safe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC yes. 357 sig is a beast of a round. Especiallt with underwood 125gr gold dot going about 1550-1600 fps. Then again i also have .40 underwood 135gr going 1450 to 1500 fps. The energy transfer is compareable with 357sig winning in energy, but the .40 has a size advantage. Those 2 are rivals depending in what the circumstances are. The 45 on the other hand is a failure in some aspects, like barrier penetration, deviation and speed. But ammo is not subjective preference when it comes to performance. Its subjective when it comes to ease. What is easiest to shoot is not necessarily best. Like i said, if you want better performance between .40 and 9, the 40 if a much better choice. If you want an easier gun to shoot with less performance, then the 9mm is the way to go. If you are a proficient shooter, them the bigger the better. But in the case of 9 vs 40, they do not perform the same or even in the same league. The .40 out performs it by a substantial amount. We wouldnt say the .40 is equal to 10mm by any margin, yet the difference between the 10mm and .40 is about the same as the 40 and the 9mm
I know many people shoot 40 s&w from their 10mm but I don't believe I would do that. Both cases head space on the mouth of the case and the only thing preventing the 40 from sliding to far into the 10 mm is part of the ejection system. Over the long haul this can't be good for the firearm which may not matter to them.
40 home defense winning with one shot drop with defense ammo.9 mm range works daily carry lapping modern toy not combat effective unless plus p an special ammo and barrel length issues for flower power the 40 already has .and at the shot plate its a thump not a tiny like 9mm it's obvious 40 has more stopping power
Sir, thank you for your observations. I agree the .40 caliber is a solid cartridge. I would also note that the FBI and multiple numerous police forces across the country have moved back toward the 9 mm. The critical duty flex ammunition has proven very effective and is the ammunition selection of the FBI. Ultimately, I am agnostic about the caliber and ammunition. It really comes down to the operator and their proficiency. The ability to deliver combat effective hits on target is what delivers. I own a few .40 caliber pistols and certainly enjoy them. I find myself carrying 9 mm pistols using a plus P ammunition similar to what the FBI is using.
Recoil is NOT a function of caliber alone. It is a function of the combination of caliber/loading and the weapon firing the cartridge. I have two identical Taurus compacts - Millennium G2s - except for caliber; one 9mm, one .40 S&W. The .40 recoils less. That has been confirmed categorically by 3 other people firing them side by side at a range under controlled conditions. That means faster follow up shots. I also have a S&W 4006 - the CHIPS sidearm; it weighs a POUND more than either Taurus. It has dramatically worse recoil than either Taurus. Slide weight, slide velocity, end-of-travel impact velocity, recoil spring strength, slide travel distance, grip angle, bore height and more play into the issue of felt recoil. FELT recoil - not a number that comes from an equation. A perceived impact that your muscles and nervous system experience, and that affects your weapon control. A final issue in the 9mm vs .40 debate: 9mm is touted for smaller case diameter, which means more rounds in a staggered magazine. More states are imposing idiotic 10 round magazine capacity limits. In such a case, 9mm mag capacity is irrelevant - a pistol with a 17 round capacity will have its magazine blocked or replaced with a 10 round max capacity magaine - like here in the People's Republic of Rhode Island thanks to the imbeciles in our General "Dissemblers." Here, .40 and .45 are both overwhelmingly better choices than 9mm for those who can accurately punch holes with them; bigger holes beat smaller ones (in this case, anyway). Finally, if your decision hinges on the cost of practice, and you aren't convinced that generalized practice with similar guns is sufficient - that is, you don't need to practice on the EXACT gun you'll use, because sighting and trigger control practice is transferable across weapons - that makes a strong case for a 1911 with an ACE conversion. It doesn't get cheaper than .22 LR, and the ACE recoils like a .45 ACP. I built one with an aluminum frame years ago, and it's a great surrogate for practicing with full-power .45 loads.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I agree with you that felt recoil can be related to many things... the size of the firearm, the bore axis, the pressure of the cartridge, weight of the slide, caliber, and action of the pistol. ect. We agree that bigger holes are better assuming the hits are on target. Small or big projectiles missing the target are simply ineffective. My perspective is shot placement and the proficiency of the operator are more relevant but I concede that each person has to make this determination for themselves. Frankly I'm agnostic on the 9mm vs .40, vs .45. Because hits count. Yes, .22 conversion kits are great practice tools (I own these as well as other .22 clones of full sized pistols) . These are helpful and allow similar feel to a full size centerfire pistols ---- but they're definitely not the same as the actual centerfire caliber training. Recoil, follow through and that process are completely. Therefore for me, I train with the caliber and pistols I carry and use for home defense. Likely we agree the most sane people wouldn't want to be shot by any firearm with any caliber ... from .22 LR to a .308. I had a student, a 75 year old very small framed woman who could deliver fast accurate hits to the bridge of the nose of the target with her S&W 617. It was amazing to watch and she crushed the par times on drills we were running. She was really one of the top performers in a class of 12 people. She was often faster and more accurate on the timer than many of the men in the class who were shooting 9mm, .40 or.45. Personally I would want one of the aforementioned calibers (rather than the .22 for personal protection), but there is no denying that 3-5 shots to the ocular cranial area would stop a threat. Most of the students couldn't believe her speed or accuracy. It turned out she has been shooting a .22 revolver since she was 11 years old and never stopped training. She had tried other pistols but always fett the .22 revolver was best for her. I encourage each person to use the tool that best fits them. Practice, training and proficiency are essential. I own several .45 and .40 pistols. I like them, especially the 1911 Kimber Gold Match that I owned for 20 years. However, given my small hands a physical handicap with my left hand / arm, the 9mm is easier for me to shoot fast and accurately. Sounds like you've got great skills with a .45 and .40 and that is awesome. Thanks again for sharing your valuable insights. Hope you'll subscribe and check out some of our other content. All the best and stay safe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Good points, all - and yes, a .22 caliber hole in the forehead beats a .50 caliber hole in the air every time. I think, however, that a lot of the argument that you must practice ONLY with your duty gun or carry gun, and therefore the cost of ammo feeds back into what the caliber of that gun is, is a bad argument, forcing a choice of defensive weapon based on ammunition cost; bad criterion to use. The gun you defend yourself with should be the one you can control. The one you can control is one that your stature and musculature and hand size, and recoil sensitivity, etc. fits. You need to practice with that gun. But if the "right" gun for you has gold-plate priced ammo, you don't need to practice ONLY with that gun to be proficient. There is substantial - as the DoD calls it - "positive transfer of training" that comes from firing any similar weapon, so you can practice with a .22, get good with it, and spend relatively little on super-exploding metal-penetrating laser nuclear defense ammo, and maintain proficiency with your defense weapon, without having to take out a second mortgage to do so. Not NO practice with it, but not ONLY practice, either. That's all I meant. There's a lot to be said, in fact for the experience of diversity of practice - not least because you might discover a better fit for your needs. Good discussion; I hope it stimulates some out-of-box thinking in your viewers.
Well now this was a interesting video and I have both calibers, but the way I look at it if you can't get the job done with a 9 mm you probably won't do it with a 40 caliber either.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I think you make a great point. And that is if you cannot operate the tool in a way to deliver combat affective hits on target, then a different caliber will not necessarily make any difference.
40 ammo is just as cheap as 9mm I don't know where you get your ammo 40 ammo is very reasonable these days plus better bullet weights with 40 remember during pandemic 9mm couldn't be found plenty of 40ammo on shelf's I'll stick with the 40cal a American made caliber
Thank you for watching. Iona, couple of 40 smith and Wesson caliber pistols. I’m a reload or so I reload about half of my ammunition. The other half I purchase in caseload lots. Today The delivered price for a case of 9 mm ammo is around $250. This is Factory New ammunition. The delivered price for a case of 180 grain .40 Smith & Wesson is approximately $360. Note these are bulk prices. It’s my opinion that an individual needs to fire 500 + rounds a month at a bare minimum to maintain enough proficiency if they’re planning to use the hand gun for self-defense. I agree with you that the .4 0 SNW cartridge was more available during Covid . This is one of the reasons why I have a couple of cases of it at all times, and I also own a couple of .40 pistols. For me, the economics of shooting, practicing and training are an important factor in deciding which caliber to shoot. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment and share your perspective. We both agree the .4 0 SNW cartridge is a solid one! Hope you will consider subscribing to the channel and checking out some of our other content. All the best and stay safe.
READ my comment and read it well. 95% of gun guys are sheep. In 2023 there is a ton of differently loaded ammo. Right now I have a 50-grain 40sw that travels at 2200 fps and has the same recoil impulse as 223 but leaves a much much bigger hole and is more deadly. The only downfall of 40sw in today's world of ammo is fewer rounds in the mag.
Sir, thank you so much for watching and commenting. I agree that many people who own firearms are not the same folks who train seriously and have a level of proficiency that they would need to survive a fight. My personal preference is to use the same ammunition that law enforcement uses for every day carry or personal protection. Many states seem to have a predilection for pursuing individuals who use their firearm for personal protection, or self-defense, and especially those who use really jacked up ammunition. I’m aware of one case in Colorado, where the prosecutor was able to get a conviction in a justified shooting of someone who used a 10 mm with Some sort of extremely exotic ammunition. The prosecutor was able to convince the jury that the ammunition used showed a intent of murder. The Defendant was convicted, and is now in prison. Based on the above, I simply use ammunition used by the FBI or local state police in any of my handguns. Obviously to each its own. Thanks again for commenting. I really appreciate it. I hope you will subscribe.
I shoot both 9mm & 40S&W, I keep both on hand, but I prefer, carry & train more often with the 9mm. My girlfriend on the other hand prefers the 40S&W, and she’s pretty good with handling the added recoil too. I think 40 is a bit snappy, but controllable. - With that out of the way, I’m going to say that We need all hands on deck at this point in time in America, as in “The gun channels on social media talking about REAL issues and solutions to those real issues.” Our Freedom is ALL BUT GONE, we are being killed off through many different means, and not many people are aware of or even care that America is in this awful condition. A video on ‘bullet calibers” is not necessary right now, but a video creating awareness to our Loss Of Freedom In America & A Video Promoting UNITY AND DEFIANCE OF TYRANNY IS NECESSARY. Wake Up Americans, (and gun community) Before It’s Too Late!!!! - Jason/Freedom Fighter Until Death/Vermont, BSA (‘BSA’, meaning “The Brainwashed States Of America”)
An absolutely fantastic point. The real issue is the fact that our constitutional rights especially the first, second and fourth amendment are being violated. The most important thing we have is unity in support of constitutional rights. I think the key in engaging people is doing it respectfully but doing it with an unending commitment to educate and influence. I appreciate you bringing this perspective forward!
With respect, I have a sense of urgency that every American should have. I don’t make these comments to divide, I make them to promote thought, and create a sense of urgency in others. I love my country, and I love all of the honest and good people in it. With that said “I hate the evil and the tyrannical people in it” at the same time. At this point, “Facts don’t care about Feelings”, and the fact is that “America is in serious trouble.” Other than losing what little Freedom that we have left, we are literally being “killed off”, our farmlands and food supply being destroyed, we are lied to every day by our media and by every level of our government, we are ruled by ‘corporations’, and the only way to stop this is through unity & defiance. I hope everyone will take this and spread the word, because “Knowledge without action is meaningless.” - Jason/Freedom Fighter Until Death/Vermont, DSA (‘DSA’, meaning “The Divided States Of America”)
I’m super glad your awake , but the sleepers out number us . Making the sleepers aware is like mission impossible. Deeply programmed and deep into circle of fear . I’m doing what and where I can to bring more to awareness . Stay the course . K
Bullet technology for 9 mm has advanced so has bullet technology for the 40 Smith & Wesson in 45 ACP regardless ballistics are ballistics you'll get more penetration with 998 feet per second 180 grain hollow point out of a 40 Smith & Wesson 5in barrel which is a standard-duty size pistol size barrel length for anyone in law enforcement and corrections excetera so I'm sorry 9-millimeter was still lose out it's just physics like everything else will you have more rounds well then pick 9 I still think ultimately it's up to you and what you prefer but facts are facts 45 ACP does not penetrate as defense 40 Smith & Wesson nor does 9 mm
I've always liked the 40sw
Good choice!
I didn't at first until I bought a Glock22 back in January 2021 when 9mm ammo was nowhere to be found but 40s&w was always in stock by the stacks. Now it's my favorite pistol caliber.
Ive always liked a 9 that turns into a 40 & a 22 hahaha can't beat that.
The technology behind the 9mm has evolved yes, but could the same be said about the .40 as well?
Yes sir, your statement is correct. The technology and regards to bullet design and Performance has improved dramatically over the last two decades.
I do think there is a pretty strong economic case for the 9 mm especially when it comes to practice and attending lots of training classes.
Bottom line, whatever caliber is chosen, it is incumbent upon the operator to train, practice, and develop their proficiency. All the best and stay safe.
Absolutely.
There's also a strong training case for 9mm, in that more shooters can make more good hits more often than with 40. If a shooter can't control the recoil of 40, then far better they shoot 9mm and repeatedly hit what they aim at. Combine that with better 9mm ammo (no longer needing +P or +P+ ammo as in the 80's-90's-00's when US loadings were often too weak to ensure expansion or penetration of the available bullet designs), and the use-case for the 40 goes away. I own a G22, qualified for duty carry a number of years, but am looking at 9mm going forward as certain medical issues make 40 a little "bitey" after just 30 rounds.
Thanks for saying the truth
When my department switched from the 9mm, to the .40, We had better performance from the .40, many more one shot stops of perps.
Thanks for sharing that.
Back in the 90s when police carried Glock22s the pistol was known as the Warhammer where I'm from.
@perceptionvsreality3333 what you know about 333s?
@@Isee333
It's just an angel number. Google the meaning.
I own ten 9mm's, five .40's, and three .45's. All great cartridges.
I love your attitude. How many guns do you need? Just one more. Stay safe.
Agreed but i tend to like 9mm the best most affordable, most variety of ammo choices, most availible,less recoil, less weight, most capacity,
Spot on. Good sound explanation and advice. Agree 100%. I am partial to 40 for many reasons. But don't hate the 9 and have carried a few off & on occasionally.
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Living in a state which limits magazine capacity to 10 rounds, the .40 cal makes more sense to me. Totally agree with you that live ammo practice is necessary to ensure proficiency.
I thank you for watching. I think your selection is a good one for sure! I appreciate you commenting and hope you will subscribe.
Move to a new state that aren't commies
I will still choose the 40 cal over the 9mm even with the new tech in the 9mm bullet
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Because thevsame technology went into every other caliber as well. I agree with your choice.
The “new tech” is in the 40 too. That is why 40 is better than 9 (and always has been). You’ve chosen wisely to carry a 40 over a 9. I won’t carry 9 on duty even though they issue me one. My personally owned 40 goes to work with me. In my experience, in nearly 30 years as LEO, the 9mm has shown to be lacking. I don’t trust “the adequate 9mm” to get me home…I want more.
Diameter trumps everything in 'handgun'.
The 357 Sig is a phenomenal caliber. Get a 9mm conversion barrel and do most of your practice with that one. End each session with some 357 Sig and your good to go. Toss some 40 in there once in a while. Hell, you can even get a 22lr conversion kit and shoot that too. Four calibers out of one gun, I’d call that versatility.
Nothing like having a lot of options! Thanks for commenting
That's why I bought a Glock22 gen 3 & now it's my favorite pistol.
40 cal is my favorite round. Period.
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Amazing how some folks don’t know ballistics , most all calibers have improved with science. The best thought I have to offer , your only as good with calibers you train with period. End of debate , getting hits , shot placement, I know you touched on all that , great job . K
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.40 s&w always
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I carry a 9mm but just bought a police trade in glock 22 out of curiosity, and you are spot on. A little holster wear but lightly fired, And runs flawlessly. (I put around 10 mags through it yesterday) I did however have to break it completely down to clean it from all the lint and debris but other than that, I have absolutely no regrets for $359!!!
Thanks for commenting. Yes I 100 percent agree. police trades are often an excellent deal. The nice thing about a Glock 22 or 23 is you can purchase a conversion barrel to shoot 9 mm in. Essentially allowing you one frame and slide to shoot two different calibers.
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Great price
Bought a x grade LEO trade in online a year ago for 219.99 g22.4 honestly for the price I could not pass it up it is now my edc
I would much rather have 15 rounds of 40 then 17 rounds of 9 mm any day. Especially out of a full-size Duty weapon with a 4-inch Barrel or better. Hence my M&P 2.0 4.25 inch barrel in 40 Smith & Wesson. Probably too big for concealed carry but I do it anyway. I'd rather have a large gun that's hard to conceal then a small gun that wants to jump out of your hand when you shoot it. I'm looking at youSig p365. Plus all the other micro 9s that aren't really worth the lack of size and weight.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. The P365 XL is pretty much my go to every day carry gun. Hard not to like this pistol… video review on the channel.
100% agree. 15 shots of 180gr pills is plenty of muscle to get the job done for me.
#40gang
My p365xl holds 20 rounds and is way easier to not make yourself an open and obvious target with since you’ll never know it’s even on me. That’s with a weapon light and an optic too and it doesn’t jump out of anything.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLCthe 365xl is a champ when it comes to EDC. It’s a very hard gun to beat especially with how accurate it is. I’ll never carry another Glock, Springfield, Walther, or anything else ever again as long as I have my sig.
I am a huge fan of the 40 S&W and that is my personal choice for carry, and I do shoot well with it, but the disadvantage I do find with using the 40 S&W over the 9mm, is the price of ammunition. Especially for someone who has a budget like myself, it is very difficult to get to practice with it very often. Other than the price on ammunition, since I do very well with it, I would rather trust my life with a 40 S&W then a 9mm but as you stated, there are very effective 9mm ammunition out there these days that can definitely get the job done so I guess it really doesn't matter too much these days. I've just had a bias for the 40 S&W for the longest time.
The .40 Smith & Wesson cartridge is certainly a solid performer. It sounds like that is the best option for you. As I’ve stated Ione pistols in this caliber, and have great respect for it. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. I hope you will subscribe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC I've watched a few of your videos and I enjoyed them. I'll give you a sub :-)
If you have trouble affording ammunition you might consider buying a .38 Special and reloading your own ammunition. .38 Special is the most reloaded handgun in the world and with handloads can match the 9mm in ballistics. It doesn't match the .40 but you may have to give up something to be able to afford to shoot.
@@russellkeeling4387 38 special? 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
Back in the day, way back, I was part of a midsize police department. We were allowed to carry what ever we could qualify with. I carried a 4” S&W model 57 in 41 mag. In that revolver I carried my own 170 grn. hand loads pushing at about 1100 fps. I used this load while hunting as well and it did well on four footed critters. I was well satisfied and happy as a clam.
The the department issued us the Sig. p220 in .45 acp to the uniformed officers and the Sig p239 in .357 Sig for the plainclothes officers. All other firearms were no longer allowed. As I had about this time become a plainclothes officer I was issued the p239 but got permission to use the p220 as well. I had no problems with either handgun, but always done a tad better with the p239 in .357 sig 9:32 for reasons beyond my understanding. I had no problems with recoil recovery with either pistol or the old .41 mag of days gone by.
Today I’m retired and carry a S&W M&P .40 S&W. It’s not hard to find loads that mimic my old .41 mag loads of yesteryears.
I do have a 9mm in a Walther P38 which I play with from time to time. I do not find the recoil of it to be more manageable than my M&P 40. Since I reload I’m not concerned with the cost of ammo and while the effectiveness of the 40 over the 9 is only marginal I will take that small margin over bullet capacity.
I'm retired LEO here in NJ, and my daily carry is my trusty Gen-3 G23. , and Yes, sometimes I Drop a .357 Sig barrel in, for kicks and the devastation that round gives.
Great choice but the 357sig is a better caliber with superior ballistics..energy & penetration!! 👍 but I believe in NJ you can't carry hollow point (completely moronic) so 40sw fmj would likely be better
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Correct, even for retired LE you can't use Hollow points simply because of the ignorance of this State. So in warmer months, I put the lightest 155 gr. flat-point FMJ into my G-23, and in winter time, I put in the 180 gr.
@@elithegreat6463 good choice considering 👍
Thanks for your service to the community. I think if I were ever forced to live in New Jersey, I would only carry a .45 ACP most likely in the form of a Glock 21 or G30.
Move over here to Pennsylvania.
Gun store people are often dumb lol. Overheard an employee at one go on and on about ".380 guys like me, actually know what pistols are the best, and this is THE .380 to have". I look over and he's pulling out a SCCY from under the counter. I just mentally roll my eyes, grab the ammo I came for and left.
Thanks for watching commenting. I don’t think gun store people are dumb rather I think they do not do proper discovery regarding the potential needs of their clientele. Thanks for commenting. Stay safe.
I agree, a lot of the gun store guys don't know anything except black rifles. I took a Lipsey's Ruger #1 to a gun shop to have them sell it for me. It's a .35 Whelen caliber and when I told them none of them knew what that was. I then told them it's about the same as a 9.3x62 and none of them had ever heard of that caliber. One of the most popular cartridges worldwide and none of them knew what I was talking about. Needless to say I did not sell my rifle through them.
Thank you! Great advice and content.
Love both my Gen 5 19 and 23
Sir, you have excellent taste. I too like the G19 and G23.
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I like the .40 a lot, I like them all really but I started with the .40 S&W. I think that most people go with what is cheapest to shoot, which pretty much means 9mm plus there's no shortage of 9mm's out there. Between the two, I'd prefer .40 over 9mm if given the choice.
Sir, thank you so much for watching and commenting. I hear what you’re saying. I have a couple of .40 pistols and enjoy them. Still, my everyday carry pistol is a 9 mm. Today’s quality defensive ammunition really helps that choice. Plus, I can practice a lot more With the 9 mm. Ammunition is just more available and less expensive. Thanks again for commenting. Stay safe
I was lucky to survive a 1974 gunfight, reloading under fire, w/armed robbery suspects w/my issued thirty-eight revolver. I fired 12 rounds but only got 4 center mass hits before the suspect went down. We were shooting at each other across the hoods of our cars and the rounds that missed all went into the suspect’s vehicle.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience and perspective. Also, thank you for the services provided as a law enforcement officer. I hope you will subscribe to the channel.
Back in the day when cops were actually cool.
I like both .40 S&W and 9mm. I acknowledge the advantages of 9mm when it comes to economy, capacity, and recoil. That said, I've been extremely impressed by the performance of many .40 hollow points in ballistic gel, especially in the 150 to 165 grain range. From what I've seen, .40 S&W is a bit more versatile. The weaker .40 loads have similar energy to 9mm, and the really hot ones get into true 10mm and even .357 magnum territory. Underwood's 155 grain XTP @ 1300 FPS hits with nearly 600 lb ft/lbs of energy. .40 S&W isn't too terribly expensive to shoot, either. I think pistol selection is a little more important when it comes to .40 than it is with 9mm due to the recoil characteristics of the cartridge.
My P226 in .40 S&W was a police trade-in. It's in almost mint condition, and you can tell it was rarely shot. I got a hell of a deal on it, plus I can convert it to 9mm for $200-250 if I want to.
Thanks for sharing your insights. There are some amazing deals on used police trades and often these pistol are in very good conditions and have been rebuilt by the factory. Thanks for commenting. Hope you'll subscribe.
Excellent presentation! You leave it up to the owner(shooter) to decide and didn’t pass judgement.
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9 is a good place to start and will serve u well. It's great for more types of shooters with full range of ammo from cheaper range to expensive home defense and even wilderness protection with 147 gr hard cast for instance. It's kinda like a jack of all trades in a very good way. If you only have one semi-auto, 9mm is a good choice, kinda like if you have one revolver a double action .357 mga/.38 spl is a good choice.
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I want to live so I’m taking .40 allday everyday anyday
Sir, thank you so much for watching and commenting. The .40 S&W caliber is definitely a solid performer. I would note that the FBI and many of the top law-enforcement agencies have gone back to the 9 mm using the latest technology for hollow points or something like the Hornady critical duty 135 grain plus P flex tip.
Every single combat, veteran or officer, I’ve met who’s been involved in a gunfight says shot placement is the deciding factor.
Personally, I am agnostic about the 9 mm versus .40 or .45. The operator should use the caliber. They are most proficient with and are able to deliver combat effective hits on target under the extreme stress of a gunfight.
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the 40 had the equivalent first round stop rate as a 357 magnum in FBI tests with superior Magazine capacity . It even has higher ft/lb than a 45 hitting power due to the higher velocity combo and bullet weight of the 40 . I believe in time the 40 will make 9mm obsolete . The new 9mm ammo is an improvement , but still a way inferior to the 40 .
Many thanks for watching and commenting. I own a couple of .40 pistols. I think it’s a very good option for personal protection or self-defense.
As far as the .40
taking over the 9 mm, that ship has sailed. Most law-enforcement have moved away from the .40 and gone back to the 9 mm. This is primarily due to the fact that the 9 mm has had major advancements in bullet shape and performance. In addition, it’s more economical for large departments and groups like the FBI to train with and shoot. The FBI uses the Hornady critical defense flex tip ammunition with 135 grain +P set up …it’s very effective for both penetration and expansion.
I’m agnostic on caliber as long as the operator is proficient with their weapon and can deliver combat effective hits under stress.
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Mmm - the 40 still beats any 9mm plus by a fair margin - I’ll take superior firepower when my life depends on it , thanks anyway
As for “ most” switching back to 9mm
I seriously doubt it
Some is more accurate
Subscribed. Considering an trade in M&P 40 and getting 357Sig and 9mm barrels for it. Currently theyre cheap to obtain. Purchase teo of those trade ins and barrels and still be under $1k and spend the rest on ammo. Im left handed and wondering the M&P is better suited for my lefty disability than the old Glock gen 3 i have. I get by with glock but it would be an welcome convenience to have ambi controls
The M&P will is better for someone who is left handed. Slide stop/release is ambidextrous. ALso a simple swap of the the mag release from the from the right side to the left side will work well. I'm seeing M&P .40s used for around 350 through FFLs. And the barrels for 9 and .357 are inexpensive. The mags for the .40 and .357 are the same and these can be purchased used for very little. Add a few 9mm mags and you're good to go!
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So your pistol has 2different barrel, so u can simultaneously shoot 2 different calibers? Or u can change and shoot a different caliber? If so I never knew this was possible.
With a Glock 22 you can get a dime millimeter conversion barrel, which will allow you to shoot 9 mm in the same pistol once the barrel has been replaced. Same thing with a Glock 23.
Advances in technology apply to both cartridges. For my purposes I prefer the .40 over the 9mm. The added mass of the bullet is a plus for me. I've done my own tests with both cartridges and I have little use for a 9mm.
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Competitive action shooting is one of the best combat preparation training you can do. I say this because you generally will be competing in matches at least once a month. I'm a Cowboy Action shooter and you shoot handguns, lever action and shotguns all on the clock - which adds "pressure" and of course, you're shooting at multiple targets and moving. The targets aren't shooting back... and simunition force on force training is better but it's just not that available to a lot of folks. Good points made. And for the record, I lean towards larger caliber... but I've carried 9mm and feel well armed with them too - not to mention 38 Special +P.
Thank you for watching and commenting. I agree that action shooting can be beneficial and does have practical applications. My one concern with action shooting events is the potential to embed practices or what I call training scars, that could put you in grave danger if you were actually in a defensive, combative situation. I’ve had students who are competitive shooters, show up to a class and every time at the end of a firing sequence, they would unload their pistols or carbines. I asked them why they were doing it and they said that’s what they always did when they competed. As we all know, training that is done, over and over again tends to get embedded in our behavior.
That being said, I do think there is a lot of advantage to stress, testing yourself under the watchful eyes of your competitors. This helps find where your breaking points are, and helps develop some inoculation against stress.
I also agree with you 100% that the best way to develop actual comparative skills is force on force training. This could use simulation or a low-cost option like airsoft. we’ve used airsoft and a couple of classes to help people understand how quickly things can escalate. Especially if the defensive reaction is behind the stress curve.
I agree with you that for many a larger caliber handgun is a great option. I know plenty of people who can shoot a 45 or .40 as quickly as I can shoot a 9 mm. At the end of the day it really comes down to combat effective hits on the target rather than speed. Whatever caliber is ultimately chosen, it isn’t coming up on the user to get proper training and continually develop their skills.
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Put a .22lr, 32acp, 380acp, .38spl, 9mm, .357Sig, .40S&W or a .45acp in my hands and I'm good. Put a bow staff, cross bow, spear, sword, battle axe or throwing knife in my hands? I'm probably not going to make it...
Very well said!
It's a great video. In Mexico the maximum caliber allowed for civilians is 380. An apology. Use a translator I hope my message is understood. Greetings. Subscribed since 2017.
Entendido 100%
Thanks for watching and commenting ! A .380 is a decent choice and will work.
I carry a 40 Glock 27 for self defense. My Glock 19 is my range gun cause it’s relatively cheaper to shoot
Thanks for commenting. Both of those pistols will definitely get the job done.
I came here looking for some ballistics info, but I'm leaving with knowledge to spread. I'm currently going to school for gunsmithing, but realistically I'd also like to get into training. While becoming an instructor might be long off. It is good to have great examples and reason to give clients. Thank you sir.
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So true about many public sector employees not being gun people despite perception. Working in private security we pay for our own gun, kit and training so the price of ammo is a consideration. That said I usually carry a Glock 17. Regardless what caliber one carries it's all about shot placement!
Sir, you are 100% on point. It’s all about shot placement. The ongoing debate about the perfect caliber or the right caliber seems to me miss placed. Ultimately it’s about the proficiency and skills of the operator. Yes, I’d much rather have a 9 mm, .40 or .45 ACP over a 22. However, I don’t know any human being, who wants to be shot with a 22.
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As usual very good, you sounds very logical which is a rare bird these days... 🤔
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Regardless of what I've read and heard, I'm convinced that my Glock model 22 in 40S&W makes a more decisive stopper than my Glock 17 using 9mm.
Right on brother! Whatever Works and you have confidence in your ability to get hit on target. Ron I say.
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Another fine video. Find a reliable tool and master it.
Very true!
Ebb n flow … this debate will go back and forth for decades lol …
Sir, you were 100% correct. In my mind, it’s a rather silly debate. I think people get hung up on justifying their decisions, rather than not caring so much about what other people do.
The people I know how are interested in personal protection simply get training, practice like crazy and stress test their level proficiency with whatever tool they’ve selected.
Folks I know who have been in a gunfight say it’s about shot placement and the ability to perform under the stress. The human survival instinct of not getting shot drives most bad people away once to firearm is produced.
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What happened to Men these days where we complain about Slightly more Recoil and a pound heavier trigger pull 🤔
My son is a Glock-a-holic I am a retired CATM, so I'm a bit more flexible. My theory is TB3. The Bigger the bullet, the better. .40 is more than 9, more rounds than .45. I know I'm good with a 9, I can put it where it needs to go.
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I’ve been carrying the 9mm professionally now, going on year #34. I had a short stint where I switched to the .45 for about 6 years (12+1 capacity in the Hk USP) and went back to a 9mm (17+1) (Gen 5 Glock 17) for additional rounds in the gun. I Love the Gen5 Glock 22 and 23 with their thicker slides than previous generations. The G23 Gen5 will be the perfect EDC for me. I just 💙 the bigger (((OOMPF))) plus felt recoil of the .40. I can control double taps while remaining on target just fine with the .40.
Thank you for watching. Sounds like the .40 Smith and Wesson caliber is the right option !
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.40 is a better round. One shot stopping power.
I am new to all of this I only shot a 40cal the 9mm was to small for my hand for training class I need to go to a gun show to find what best fits my hand .I CAM FROM A NONE GUN FAMILY NOW I UNDERSTAND FIREARMS !!!
Sir, thanks for commenting. You mention the 9mm was too small. I'm assuming your'e referring to the frame on two different pistols you were shooting. The size of the caliber (9mm vs .40) is not attributed to the size of the frame of the pistol. Example: the Glock 17 (9mm) and the Glock 22 (.40) are effective the same size. Your best bet is to go to a shooting range that rents hand guns and try a few different brands in 9mm and .40,. In addition if you like both calibers and want one pistol buy a .40 that will take a 9mm conversion barrel. I have a S&W M&P .40 with conversion barrels for 9mm and .357 sig. Used M&P police trade in pistols are going for lsuper low prices.
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.40 is better.....
It’s definitely a solid option!
In my opinion it is but you have to practice with it more than 9mm. I'm already used to the Glock22 & more accurate with it than my Glock19 & Beretta92FS.
It just is!
Why do people act like the Same bullet technology doesn't exist for .40 cal
The hotter 9mm ammo just happens to have more recoil than the standard 9mm. You don't get anything for free.
Jack, thank you so much. I agree the plus P varieties of 9mm defense ammo them add some more felt recoil. However, you compare the .40 caliber in high-quality defensive load especially the 165 grade stuff and are pretty snappy but recoil. Again it’s really Subjective and it comes down to the operator being able to deliver combat hits of the stress of a fight. I think either one of these caliber would do a good job with the right ammo and someone who knows what they’re doing in terms of putting shots on target. Thanks for watching and commenting. If you haven’t already, I hope you will consider subscribing to the channel and shivering it with friends and family.
Any caliber has lethal potential if hit in the right spot. I agree whatever you like as long as you can shoot it good will work. I hear ppl down different calibers especially 380, 22, 38 but I wouldn't want hit with any, and they've all helped funeral homes business
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If the companies are making 9 mm better when it that mean if they’re using the same design on other calibers that those would be better as well
Sir, thank you so much for taking the time to comment. Yes, often a popular 9 mm design will be added to other calibers that don’t have as much sales volume.
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Time for the FBI to release the Stats that show the performance in real life shootings showing how many rounds it takes to stop the threat. I believe they have not done so as it would show it takes 7+ bullets to end the thugs. That is what I have seen on Police shootings on YT videos. In the time it takes to shoot 7+ rounds the other bad guys may well be shooting back so does it makes sense to have to focus on just one bad guy? Both the 40S7W and the .45acp plus the .357 Magnum will need less shots due to their increased power and they also make a bigger hole so the blood loss is faster. Too much emphasis is placed on velocity and shot placement ignoring the power of larger calibers and their bullet hole sizes they make. Remember all those old TV Westerns where one guy put down an opponent with just one shot of a 4.. or 45 caliber round? They did not have the velocity of the 9mm yet they were deadly.(That's a joke). We all need to ask for a National survey on the effectiveness of the 9mm just to see how good it really is.
Sir, thank you so much for your perspective.
I’ve actually spoken with multiple trauma docs, EMTs, and people who have been involved in gun fights and in combat. There was a big article 3 or four years ago in one of the gun magazines where a law-enforcement officer used his 45 revolver and shot the bad guy six times. He was using jacketed hollow point ammunition’s, but the guy was jacked up on some kind of drugs. The bad guy was attacking him with a machete and I’ve been shot multiple times with the .45 ACP jacketed hollow point. He didn’t stop him. The cop went to his back up gun also a 45acp and put another four rounds into the threat. Ultimately, the bad guy was stop with an ocular cranial shot.
Many of the police shootings you see on UA-cam are actually perpetrators being shot with the 40 Smith & Wesson caliber.
At the end of the day, there is no specific handgun caliber that is guaranteed to neutralize a threat. There are too many other factors, including the influence of drugs, adrenaline, or simply the will to fight.
But I have heard from multiple combat that’s is hits on target are the determining factor.
Where I'm from police are hitting perps 5 or more times with their Glock17s & most of the time they survive but when they carried Glock22s it took 2 or 3 shots & occasionally got 1 shot stops. Despite that new bullet tech.
At this point would you believe ANYTHING the FBI said?
Oregon? I thought you were in the northeast?
Sir, I moved out here about five years ago after my wife passed away from cancer. My larger family is from Oregon. Over the last several months Unfortunately, Oregon has moved away from being a good place to live. They are on a hard track following the extreme, progressive left-wing folks toward stopping free speech, and the right to keep and bear arms.
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I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I've been subscribed a long time but haven't been receiving notifications. You're right about Oregon. I used to live in WA but the politics would probably be too much for me now. It's a shame what's happened to the PNW.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Sorry to learn of your spouse. Must have been difficult time back then.
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Shot placement is what matters. If you get plugged five times in your sternum, you will not care if it's 9mm or 40. The ballistic difference between 9mm and 40 is really not that much. Everybody thinks that because of the dumb FBI ballistics testing years ago, and guess what the FBI uses now 9mm. If you are carrying 40, it's because someone told you to, or you are trying to hang on to what you did in the military or law enforcement 20 years ago. Today, both Army and Marine core issued pistols are 9mm. If you look at most police reports of shootings in the past couple of years, they are using 9mm. You can't beat it for the weight, capacity, price, and the availability
Sir, thank you so much for commenting. I couldn’t agree with you more. It is all about shot placement. Too many people get wrapped up in the right caliber, or the right ballistic gel, results or whatever. At the end of the day, it really comes down to shot placement and the ability of the operator to deliver combat effective hits Under the extreme stress of a fight.
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Always have a twin .40 for your 9. You'll thank me next shortage.
I couldn’t agree more. Thanks for sharing your comment. One of the reasons that I own a few pistols in .40 Smith & Wesson caliber is to have options depending on which ammunition is available. At the same time, I strongly encourage anyone who is pro 2A to Always have a few thousand rounds of your main calibers ready so if you are unable to purchase it at least you have it in your stock pile.
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@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC strong agree. I found last shortage that I'll never stock pile enough 9mm for an extended shortage. Like a conflict deleting global supply of NATO.
I did well the first year. But after training it was getting slim.
So now I make sure to have matching platforms with domestic calibers
Hey Seth! Not in NH anymore?
Moved out in Oregon many years ago. I certainly miss New Hampshire
The 180gr JHP .40"SW out of a Glock23 deployed form IWB, has been my EDC compromise since 1990, and to this day... And I can't see any reason to change any of it either. By the way, all improvements on: Propellants, bullet construction and materials (bonded, ballistic tips, whatever...) are, as a matter of fact, present in all calibers out there (they are not restricted to the 9x19mm or the .40"SW, or the .45"ACP or any other caliber...). Therefore all calibers have improved across the board over the years. As for combat effectiveness, since shooting proficiency is a very perishable skill, no matter what caliber/platform/mean of carrying/deployment you chose, you have to do your part: 1- Learn how to become proficient with it, and 2- Train with it regularly in order to keep that skill sharp and relevant... I have found that you also need to practice with what you intend to carry on the real world, since your lightweight low-recoil trick range ammo, light competition trigger, light recoil spring and IPSC holster that are great for shooting fast, fast splits and impress your friends with fast "mag dumps" on the square range, will probably print in a different spot than your defensive ammo and probably might not do when the crap hits the fan. But I've also found that out of my G23, I can match fairly easy the printing characteristics on target out to 50m, controllability, felt recoil, etc. of the Rem 180grFMJ to those of the GoldenSaber 180grJHP; and the FMJ penetrating more than the JHP, they double duty nicely as 4 legged predator repellent as well as range fodder, and at a very reasonable price point... So, there's no magic cartridge/platform out there. There's just proficient skilled user who have thought it through, and un-proficient, un-skilled user. Chose wisely...
sir, are a wise man, indeed. It really does come down to proficiency. The 40 Smith & Wesson caliber is a very solid reliable one. Thank you so much for commenting.
Remington HTP 180 grain is my favorite 180 grain load for my Glock22 gen 3 it hits HARD & surprisingly light recoil for a 40s&w round. It's advertised velocities are 1,015 fps but I get a bit higher than that.
@@PerceptionVsReality333I have a couple of gen 3 glock 17’s and a gen 3 glock 22 that I just purchased, and as of yesterday I just learned that the difference in recoil is not very significant from what I could tell. In fact, After a couple of rounds after switching up, I couldn’t tell any difference at all and my groups were still consistent at 5 and 15 yards... 115 grain 9mm and 155 grain 40. S&W …I’m actually loving this 40. Cal
If you could handle the 40 well you still can take a 9mm conversion barrel and mag and train cheaper with 9mm in the same gun but carry 40S&W.
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Cost of ammo is why I carry a 9mm over a 45 or 10mm.
Copy that! For me I need to training and practice if I expect to be able to perform under the extreme stress of a violent encounter. The 9mm allows far mor practice for less money and this help maintain proficiency.
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Oregon-Beautiful state, terrible politics.
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, Portland to Eugene is the progressive fantasy playground. Their solution is to allow criminal violence but criminalize the law abiding citizen.
Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows that the gun control is the underpinning of racism. It's always used by those in power to keep dissent and democracy at bay.
I love the state but the politicians are extreme far left progressives who hate liberalism. They hate free speech, and any law that doesn't give them more power.
Of my that 1000 people arrested for assault, battery and arson that happened in 2020, less than 8% we're prosecuted. Portland's progressive prosecutor only targets people who are not far left progressives.
Dam,right
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Australian Army threw their 9MM away to get the 45 US Army weapon in Vietnam ! They didn't like having to use the whole clip to try and bring down a VC when the 45 took less rounds !! FACT !!!!!
I own a few .45 ACP pistols and a revolver in .45 ACP. Great round.
I would note that virtually every law enforcement organization in the USA has ditched the .40 S&W and moved to the 9mm (FBI using G19s as are many in the NSW community). Why would they? Basically, better economics associated with training, its easier to shoot faster with great accurately. Today's high quality bonded or jacket hollow points or the flextip ammo by Hornady out perform the ball ammo of vietnam war. Yes, if ball ammo is the only choice I'd choose on of my .45s.
Bottom line hits on target count, if you can do that with a .45 go for it. It's a proven performer. I carried one for a few years.
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That was because of fmj. 9mm was famous for low stopping power long before. But this was because of fmj. If you are not limited to fmj 9mm is much better.
40 every time
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To give people the false pretense that it's about what you like is utterly dishonest and retarded. If you have to say "it's about preference" then you may as well say 9mm is the better choice. But the truth is when it comes to performance 25-33% more size and energy is alot, therfore the .40 is easily the winner. But it may not be suitable if you are elderly or a woman. So 9mm may be the better choice.
Thanks for watching and for your comments. I appreciate your perspective. I may have been inarticulate with my point regarding using what you like. Let me do more specific. I recommend using a handgun that you are comfortable with and “proficient” with. Proficiency comes with practice. Proficiency comes with training.
I carried and shot a Glock 23 for a few years. It was a fine handgun and certainly capable of delivering the results. However, I found I was faster and more accurate with a 9 mm.
Bottom line I am agnostic over specific calibers. Getting shot in the face with several rounds of 22 long rifle ammunition could certainly put a person down. I’m not saying I would choose a 22 for self-defense, but ultimately the proficiency of the user and the ability to get combat effective hits on target does matter. Yes, barrel length, and velocity of bullets do matter as well. But, using today’s high-quality defensive ammunition, the performance of 9mm to .40 is not massive. I always recommend each operator decides what will work best for them, and then train until they are proficient with the tool they have selected.
I’ve talked to several combat patrols, as well as EMTs and ER docs. These folks tell me it’s shot placement that is ultimately what stops threats. I believe the statistics or something like six out of every eight people shot with a handgun survive. This is largely due to the quality, medical care and trauma hospitals that abound in most major cities. And it’s also a fact that handguns are relatively ineffective as a tool. A long gun, or a shotgun at shorter distances has far more devastating impacts. As the saying goes, a handgun is what one uses to fight their way to the Rifle.
It sounds like you appreciate the .40 caliber and I think that’s a great choice! Thanks again for taking the time to watch and comment. All the best and stay safe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC i actually did good testing for 9 and .40. The differences in performance ar MASSIVE. 25-35% with and average of 33% more size and energy is a huge gap. Gel testing does not show much other than gel penetration, heck a 22 magnum, 5.7 penetrate deeper than both with less actual effectiveness. When it comes to hard barriers, and deviation of hard object penetration, the .40 drastically outshines. Speed is very subjective. I am actually equally fast and accurate with both.
You kinda proved my point when you stated you would not use a 22 despite being more accurate, less recoil and faster follow up shots when "shot placement" is what matters.
I choose .40 over 9mm the same way i choose 9mm over 22lr. Simple decision.
@@adriansoto239 thank you for sharing your perspective. If .22 was the best I could manage then I would definitely use it.
You feel the .40 caliber is the best one for you. And you have some tests that validate your particular view. There is also massive data showing the performance between the two is not significant. Next, multiple state and federal agencies have switched back to the 9mm. The FBI critical duty, 137+ P round has been shown extremely effective, particularly against art barriers.
As I said, before, I am completely agnostic as far as caliber when it comes to the 9mm vs .40 debate. I own both and appreciate them. I once again, it comes down to the users, proficiency and ability to get combat affective hits under the extreme stress of a fight. If you can do that with a 40 then perhaps you should consider a 45 or a .357 Sig. Some people believe those two rounds are much more effective than the 9 mm or the .40.
I do appreciate your comments and the fact that you shared your perspective. I think we can agree that having the ability to choose is a wonderful thing. All the best and stay safe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC yes. 357 sig is a beast of a round. Especiallt with underwood 125gr gold dot going about 1550-1600 fps. Then again i also have .40 underwood 135gr going 1450 to 1500 fps. The energy transfer is compareable with 357sig winning in energy, but the .40 has a size advantage. Those 2 are rivals depending in what the circumstances are. The 45 on the other hand is a failure in some aspects, like barrier penetration, deviation and speed.
But ammo is not subjective preference when it comes to performance. Its subjective when it comes to ease. What is easiest to shoot is not necessarily best.
Like i said, if you want better performance between .40 and 9, the 40 if a much better choice. If you want an easier gun to shoot with less performance, then the 9mm is the way to go. If you are a proficient shooter, them the bigger the better. But in the case of 9 vs 40, they do not perform the same or even in the same league. The .40 out performs it by a substantial amount.
We wouldnt say the .40 is equal to 10mm by any margin, yet the difference between the 10mm and .40 is about the same as the 40 and the 9mm
Get a Glock 20 then you can shoot 10mm or 40 cal out of the same gun. 😂 40 is essentially a 10mm short.
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I know many people shoot 40 s&w from their 10mm but I don't believe I would do that. Both cases head space on the mouth of the case and the only thing preventing the 40 from sliding to far into the 10 mm is part of the ejection system. Over the long haul this can't be good for the firearm which may not matter to them.
40 home defense winning with one shot drop with defense ammo.9 mm range works daily carry lapping modern toy not combat effective unless plus p an special ammo and barrel length issues for flower power the 40 already has .and at the shot plate its a thump not a tiny like 9mm it's obvious 40 has more stopping power
Sir, thank you for your observations. I agree the .40 caliber is a solid cartridge. I would also note that the FBI and multiple numerous police forces across the country have moved back toward the 9 mm. The critical duty flex ammunition has proven very effective and is the ammunition selection of the FBI. Ultimately, I am agnostic about the caliber and ammunition. It really comes down to the operator and their proficiency. The ability to deliver combat effective hits on target is what delivers.
I own a few .40 caliber pistols and certainly enjoy them. I find myself carrying 9 mm pistols using a plus P ammunition similar to what the FBI is using.
Recoil is NOT a function of caliber alone. It is a function of the combination of caliber/loading and the weapon firing the cartridge.
I have two identical Taurus compacts - Millennium G2s - except for caliber; one 9mm, one .40 S&W. The .40 recoils less. That has been confirmed categorically by 3 other people firing them side by side at a range under controlled conditions. That means faster follow up shots.
I also have a S&W 4006 - the CHIPS sidearm; it weighs a POUND more than either Taurus. It has dramatically worse recoil than either Taurus. Slide weight, slide velocity, end-of-travel impact velocity, recoil spring strength, slide travel distance, grip angle, bore height and more play into the issue of felt recoil. FELT recoil - not a number that comes from an equation. A perceived impact that your muscles and nervous system experience, and that affects your weapon control.
A final issue in the 9mm vs .40 debate: 9mm is touted for smaller case diameter, which means more rounds in a staggered magazine. More states are imposing idiotic 10 round magazine capacity limits. In such a case, 9mm mag capacity is irrelevant - a pistol with a 17 round capacity will have its magazine blocked or replaced with a 10 round max capacity magaine - like here in the People's Republic of Rhode Island thanks to the imbeciles in our General "Dissemblers."
Here, .40 and .45 are both overwhelmingly better choices than 9mm for those who can accurately punch holes with them; bigger holes beat smaller ones (in this case, anyway).
Finally, if your decision hinges on the cost of practice, and you aren't convinced that generalized practice with similar guns is sufficient - that is, you don't need to practice on the EXACT gun you'll use, because sighting and trigger control practice is transferable across weapons - that makes a strong case for a 1911 with an ACE conversion. It doesn't get cheaper than .22 LR, and the ACE recoils like a .45 ACP. I built one with an aluminum frame years ago, and it's a great surrogate for practicing with full-power .45 loads.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I agree with you that felt recoil can be related to many things... the size of the firearm, the bore axis, the pressure of the cartridge, weight of the slide, caliber, and action of the pistol. ect.
We agree that bigger holes are better assuming the hits are on target. Small or big projectiles missing the target are simply ineffective. My perspective is shot placement and the proficiency of the operator are more relevant but I concede that each person has to make this determination for themselves. Frankly I'm agnostic on the 9mm vs .40, vs .45. Because hits count.
Yes, .22 conversion kits are great practice tools (I own these as well as other .22 clones of full sized pistols) . These are helpful and allow similar feel to a full size centerfire pistols ---- but they're definitely not the same as the actual centerfire caliber training. Recoil, follow through and that process are completely. Therefore for me, I train with the caliber and pistols I carry and use for home defense.
Likely we agree the most sane people wouldn't want to be shot by any firearm with any caliber ... from .22 LR to a .308.
I had a student, a 75 year old very small framed woman who could deliver fast accurate hits to the bridge of the nose of the target with her S&W 617. It was amazing to watch and she crushed the par times on drills we were running. She was really one of the top performers in a class of 12 people. She was often faster and more accurate on the timer than many of the men in the class who were shooting 9mm, .40 or.45. Personally I would want one of the aforementioned calibers (rather than the .22 for personal protection), but there is no denying that 3-5 shots to the ocular cranial area would stop a threat. Most of the students couldn't believe her speed or accuracy. It turned out she has been shooting a .22 revolver since she was 11 years old and never stopped training. She had tried other pistols but always fett the .22 revolver was best for her.
I encourage each person to use the tool that best fits them. Practice, training and proficiency are essential. I own several .45 and .40 pistols. I like them, especially the 1911 Kimber Gold Match that I owned for 20 years. However, given my small hands a physical handicap with my left hand / arm, the 9mm is easier for me to shoot fast and accurately. Sounds like you've got great skills with a .45 and .40 and that is awesome.
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@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Good points, all - and yes, a .22 caliber hole in the forehead beats a .50 caliber hole in the air every time. I think, however, that a lot of the argument that you must practice ONLY with your duty gun or carry gun, and therefore the cost of ammo feeds back into what the caliber of that gun is, is a bad argument, forcing a choice of defensive weapon based on ammunition cost; bad criterion to use.
The gun you defend yourself with should be the one you can control. The one you can control is one that your stature and musculature and hand size, and recoil sensitivity, etc. fits. You need to practice with that gun. But if the "right" gun for you has gold-plate priced ammo, you don't need to practice ONLY with that gun to be proficient.
There is substantial - as the DoD calls it - "positive transfer of training" that comes from firing any similar weapon, so you can practice with a .22, get good with it, and spend relatively little on super-exploding metal-penetrating laser nuclear defense ammo, and maintain proficiency with your defense weapon, without having to take out a second mortgage to do so.
Not NO practice with it, but not ONLY practice, either. That's all I meant. There's a lot to be said, in fact for the experience of diversity of practice - not least because you might discover a better fit for your needs. Good discussion; I hope it stimulates some out-of-box thinking in your viewers.
@@MrGsteele Very well put! Thanks for taking the time to expand on your position. Much appreciated. All the best!
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Sir, thank you for watching and commenting. Yes the .40 is a solid performer!
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Well now this was a interesting video and I have both calibers, but the way I look at it if you can't get the job done with a 9 mm you probably won't do it with a 40 caliber either.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I think you make a great point. And that is if you cannot operate the tool in a way to deliver combat affective hits on target, then a different caliber will not necessarily make any difference.
wrong, if 9mm paraplegic can't do it then .40 s&w can
@@ethanmac639 😆😄
"9mm paraplegic" That's funny right der. 👍🏼👏🏼
9mm always!!!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Like you I prefer the 9 mm and that’s what I train with extensively.
40 ammo is just as cheap as 9mm I don't know where you get your ammo 40 ammo is very reasonable these days plus better bullet weights with 40 remember during pandemic 9mm couldn't be found plenty of 40ammo on shelf's I'll stick with the 40cal a American made caliber
Thank you for watching. Iona, couple of 40 smith and Wesson caliber pistols. I’m a reload or so I reload about half of my ammunition. The other half I purchase in caseload lots. Today The delivered price for a case of 9 mm ammo is around $250. This is Factory New ammunition. The delivered price for a case of 180 grain .40 Smith & Wesson is approximately $360. Note these are bulk prices.
It’s my opinion that an individual needs to fire 500 + rounds a month at a bare minimum to maintain enough proficiency if they’re planning to use the hand gun for self-defense.
I agree with you that the .4 0 SNW cartridge was more available during Covid . This is one of the reasons why I have a couple of cases of it at all times, and I also own a couple of .40 pistols.
For me, the economics of shooting, practicing and training are an important factor in deciding which caliber to shoot.
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment and share your perspective. We both agree the .4 0 SNW cartridge is a solid one!
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Who cares where the cartridge was designed if it's effective?
@@Nick-wn1xwit's apparent you do 😂
READ my comment and read it well. 95% of gun guys are sheep. In 2023 there is a ton of differently loaded ammo. Right now I have a 50-grain 40sw that travels at 2200 fps and has the same recoil impulse as 223 but leaves a much much bigger hole and is more deadly. The only downfall of 40sw in today's world of ammo is fewer rounds in the mag.
Sir, thank you so much for watching and commenting.
I agree that many people who own firearms are not the same folks who train seriously and have a level of proficiency that they would need to survive a fight.
My personal preference is to use the same ammunition that law enforcement uses for every day carry or personal protection. Many states seem to have a predilection for pursuing individuals who use their firearm for personal protection, or self-defense, and especially those who use really jacked up ammunition. I’m aware of one case in Colorado, where the prosecutor was able to get a conviction in a justified shooting of someone who used a 10 mm with Some sort of extremely exotic ammunition. The prosecutor was able to convince the jury that the ammunition used showed a intent of murder. The
Defendant was convicted, and is now in prison.
Based on the above, I simply use ammunition used by the FBI or local state police in any of my handguns.
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I shoot both 9mm & 40S&W, I keep both on hand, but I prefer, carry & train more often with the 9mm. My girlfriend on the other hand prefers the 40S&W, and she’s pretty good with handling the added recoil too. I think 40 is a bit snappy, but controllable. - With that out of the way, I’m going to say that We need all hands on deck at this point in time in America, as in “The gun channels on social media talking about REAL issues and solutions to those real issues.” Our Freedom is ALL BUT GONE, we are being killed off through many different means, and not many people are aware of or even care that America is in this awful condition. A video on ‘bullet calibers” is not necessary right now, but a video creating awareness to our Loss Of Freedom In America & A Video Promoting UNITY AND DEFIANCE OF TYRANNY IS NECESSARY. Wake Up Americans, (and gun community) Before It’s Too Late!!!! - Jason/Freedom Fighter Until Death/Vermont, BSA (‘BSA’, meaning “The Brainwashed States Of America”)
An absolutely fantastic point. The real issue is the fact that our constitutional rights especially the first, second and fourth amendment are being violated. The most important thing we have is unity in support of constitutional rights.
I think the key in engaging people is doing it respectfully but doing it with an unending commitment to educate and influence.
I appreciate you bringing this perspective forward!
With respect, I have a sense of urgency that every American should have. I don’t make these comments to divide, I make them to promote thought, and create a sense of urgency in others. I love my country, and I love all of the honest and good people in it. With that said “I hate the evil and the tyrannical people in it” at the same time. At this point, “Facts don’t care about Feelings”, and the fact is that “America is in serious trouble.” Other than losing what little Freedom that we have left, we are literally being “killed off”, our farmlands and food supply being destroyed, we are lied to every day by our media and by every level of our government, we are ruled by ‘corporations’, and the only way to stop this is through unity & defiance. I hope everyone will take this and spread the word, because “Knowledge without action is meaningless.” - Jason/Freedom Fighter Until Death/Vermont, DSA (‘DSA’, meaning “The Divided States Of America”)
I’m super glad your awake , but the sleepers out number us . Making the sleepers aware is like mission impossible. Deeply programmed and deep into circle of fear . I’m doing what and where I can to bring more to awareness . Stay the course . K
So your girlfriend is the man in the relationship? I mean she shoots 40sw after all…
Bullet technology for 9 mm has advanced so has bullet technology for the 40 Smith & Wesson in 45 ACP regardless ballistics are ballistics you'll get more penetration with 998 feet per second 180 grain hollow point out of a 40 Smith & Wesson 5in barrel which is a standard-duty size pistol size barrel length for anyone in law enforcement and corrections excetera so I'm sorry 9-millimeter was still lose out it's just physics like everything else will you have more rounds well then pick 9 I still think ultimately it's up to you and what you prefer but facts are facts 45 ACP does not penetrate as defense 40 Smith & Wesson nor does 9 mm
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