@@ihcterra4625 it was a failure of accuracy from all the agents . But one bullet did hit . It was a 9mm 115 grain silvertip, and it impacted the perp sideways and had to travel thru the shoulder into the chest cavity. It stopped just short of the heart and thus didn't immediately incapacitate .. This is why the FBI suggest the penetration parameters of 12-18" inches into calibrated gel There were many failures that day. They knew the guys were armed with rifles, and had time to arm up better but didn't. And on the fateful day, they were forced to fight guys armed with rifles with 38 snubs and 9mm Beretta.
@@thealarmclock9307 a heart shot that completely destroys the heart can take 90 seconds to incapacitate. The only immediate stopping shot is CNS. Like suspect #2. He was taken out of the fight almost immediately by hits from a 9mm. The FBI had several 357s. That isn't under powered. They made poor decisions to load them down to 38 special +P and there were some issues with reloading those revolver's. The FBI missed far too many shots and the one bad guy got hits that took people out of the fight.
I live here in Alaska, my first sidearm was a Glock m22 40 S&W home build and I've taken down 4 moose using American Eagle 180 Gr. FMJ and was never let down, now I carry the HK vp 40 S&W, some people said "a 40 S&W ain't gonna kill anything in Alaska, you need at least a 44 magnum or 460 S&W" I told them the more skill you have the less firepower you need and here I am up to this day proving em wrong 👌❤️🔥💯
I purchased a G35 back in 2005 for IPSC and it's now my woods gun anywhere in the lower 48 (live in WY so we do see brown bears). I put a lone wolf/alphawolf 6'' barrel in it and run hardcast or extreme penetrators. Every time I tell my buddies I'm thinking about buying a G40 they talk me out of it 😂. They're like why would you waste that money?
What's interesting is they probably can't hit a moving target at 15 yds with those sidearms and are actually firepower 'limited' with 5-6 rounds in their revolvers. I'll take a sidearm I'm familiar with and can put rounds on target QUICKLY with a 15 round capacity over their massive revolvers any day. If I did anything, I'd just convert one of my glocks to 460 rowland but they've been known to FTF and that's not ok in my book. My G35 hasn't missed a beat over 15 years with multiple types of ammo.
The 40sw has a lot of versatility. There are smaller grain weight varieties that are loaded lighter so it shoots as soft as a 9 mm. The 135 grain 40sw loaded to full potential rivals the 125 grain 357 sig. The 155 grain 40sw loaded to its full potential is comparable to the 357 magnum, it is the grain size where the 40sw really at the 150 grain area. Then you have the 200 grain 40sw hardcasts for wood defense and these rivals the 45 acp + p ammo. On top of all this, it has capacity very close to the 9mm, fits in 9 mm size guns, and second cheapest ammo available. 40sw is the most balanced caliber in all categories. Jack of all trades master of none. So if you want one pistol caliber that can do it all adequately, 40sw is it.
You also have the 205 grain subsonic ball ammo 40sw available if you want to suppress and get the knockdown power of 45 acp. Of course it isnt as good as the 45 acp in these categories, but the 40sw can hang in these categories.
40 over 9 for the win! Larger frontal area, heavier bullet, 25-30% more energy, similar mag capacity, similar velocity, same internal case pressure, similar defensive ammo cost, very slightly more recoil….40 beats 9 all day long….even with “modern bullet technology”. Period. End.
@@fortressalaska9822 Yes, please! I love the .40 (also the 10mm and .357), and own many .40's, it's an outstanding cartridge. I hope more manufacturers continue to produce firearms in this caliber
you guys made me feel good about purchasing my sw .40 10 years ago, not knowing any specs about the gun. took it to range and loved it. i thought yeah, anyone who decides to break into my house will get stretched out quite nicely. it's plenty of firepower.
Started with .40 decades ago because that was the police round. Figured if it's good enough for them... Now I'm too invested to turn back but I love the .40!
I'm always amused when 9mm fans talk about "modern bullet design" as if the 40 was staying back in the caveman days. They never seem to think that the 40 manufacturers also utilize modern bullets in their cartridges. A rising tide floats all boats. Not just the boats you like.
Modern ammo designs DO improve effectiveness of the 9mm. BUT , they also improve everything else. The lowly 38sp has really improved with modern bullets, but that didn’t turn it into a 357 mag. I carry every one of these on any given day. Before bullet improvement I’d have probably passed on the 9mm. Now , today, I feel plenty confident the 9mm will perform, so not so anxious as I would’ve been say 20yrs ago. I was a quick adopter of the 40, then a little later the 10, I didn’t carry a 9mm until fairly recently.
The same people, including the FBI, claim the 9mm is as powerful as the 45acp. Call me crazy, but a 230 grain 45acp round transfers a lot more kinetic energy on target than the 124 grain 9mm.
@@rangerup1804 no they don’t. They claim it’s as EFFECTIVE as. Quite a difference. And that only after new ammo became available. It moved ALL defense calibers up a few notches on effectiveness. If it stops the fight then it was just as effective as the next round that stopped the fight. And that’s the goal, stop the fight. A one shot stop doesn’t mean death, it means the other guy is out of the fight in one shot. A 9mm HST or gold dot etc is certainly capable of that. It used to be the 357mag was THEE go to for one shot stops. 125gr HP from a 4” bbl was the gold standard, and the inspiration for the 10mm, 40sw and 357sig. The 45 was already in the club. Now these others are too, not more powerful, equally effective.
As far as CCW goes I think the 40 is perfect. I also carry 40 in the woods and feel better armed than my 9 mm. I have gotten reloading dies in 40 and will not go back to 9 mm. Just a matter of personal taste I suppose.
@@TheFredmac only carrying one of the main ones and a 9 mm back up and have 2 other ones in my car when I am out, and they are all with me when I am home have several car safe and a home safe
I always laugh when people complain about the recoil of a .40, when I grew up firing .357 magnum. Or how about avoid a plastic gun and get one made of metal, little weight would help.
@@fortressalaska9822 yeah the recoil on 40 isn’t bad at all. I just shot my xdm 40 yesterday with some spicy rounds and it was smooth. I love shooting a big heavy powerful revolver. They will never make a plastic gun with that quality of trigger on even some budget revolvers much less something premium!
The 357 sig is my favorite, but ive been carrying a glock 27 for 20+ years and im not stopping now. Ive put enough rounds through it that i had to replace the barrel (yes, the barrel saw enough rounds that my glock certified gunsmith told me the barrel was “shot out”). The 40 is a great round and people really shouldnt believe the trolls that spew all the myths about them.
I did my own testing with 45 acp, 44 mag, 357 mag, and 40 s&w, the 40 beat all of these rounds but the 44 mag, and it just fell a little short from the 44. The End.
My S&W M&P Shield 40 is my EDC sidearm. I've had it for nearly eight years, and I love it. About two years ago, I bought a Blue Label full-size S&W M&P 40 trade-in and was surprised by how good it was to handle, and its accuracy was terrific, both with heavy and lite loads. I later discovered that the M&P line was initially designed for the .40 S&W from the "ground up," which was unusual for the period. Right now, I'm looking at getting my hands on the Beretta Storm, also designed for the .40 S&W exclusively, although it's also offered in 9mm. From the many reviews I've researched, the Storm's rotating barrel is perfect for .40 S&W. I feel the .40 S&W will make a massive comeback next year, and I can't wait for the new offerings in ammo and firearms. Unlike the .41 Action Express, that faded into history (yeah, I'm old).
Double Tap 10mm 155 gr. has 1500 fps and 750 fp of energy, 357 158 gr has 1520 fps and 688 fp of energy . 10mm 135 gr has 1600 fps and 767 fp of energy, 357 125 gr has 1750 fps and 710 fp of energy those are both from a 6” bbl so 10 mm has an edge on 357 and Double Tap has the hottest bullets out there .
I like the .40 the best, even though I've had 10mm, 357 SIG, etc. To me it's the best of all of them, you can do light and fast (135gr-155gr) or heavy (180gr-200gr).
Your right. Folks like yeager whined about the 40 being an high pressure cartridge but it's not. The snappiness it has is in part due to more bullet weight and velocity but what they don't realize is the 40 reaches its peak pressure in curve quite rapidly. More so than 9mm and 45acp. This accounts for that impulse in shooting. Instead folks make up urban high pressure legends and it gets spread around like manure.
@@fortressalaska9822 Handguns chambered in .40 S&W have a significantly lower service life than those in 9x19 and .45 ACP. And .40 S&W IS a high pressure round, that designation has nothing to do with SAAMI chamber specs or PSI. Yeager was correct in deeming it high-pressure, but he was wrong when he used chamber pressure to do it. The .40 being termed correctly as a high-pressure round takes into account recoil impulse, recoil velocity and recoil energy that is directed at the gun's frame when a round is fired. There are Colt 1911s and Glock 17/19s out there with literally millions of rounds through them with only minor repairs to springs, barrels and firing pins. There isn't a handgun chambered in .40S&W that has made it past a measly 60K rounds. There's no question that the .40 is ballistically superior to the 9x19, but its drawbacks just don't give it an advantage in the handgun world when you compare ammo cost and availability, firearm service life and ease of shooting. Plus, when guns chambered in .40 start to fail, they do so with dangerous consequences to the user. The industry calls it the .40 Smith & Breaker for a reason. If I survive a gunshot from a 9x19, then I'd also survive one from a .40. There's a reason why .40 S&W is only used by a handful of govt. organizations in the US and Canada and is rapidly declining there. On the global stage, .40 isn't even a player. The 9mm and .45 ACP are the world standard for pistol cartridges.
@@mirandacandice9626 First, almost no handgun will ever see 20,000 rounds. Yes there are exceptions, but even the military only expects a service life of about 20,000 rounds without repairs. The 9mm is the world standard because it does work, and it is cheap and easy to train troops. The 10mm failed in law enforcement due to the difficulty in training people to shoot it, hence the 10mm short was developed, AKA the 40 S&W. And it was once the king for law enforcement, but it too failed really because of cost and training.
I should think that having more surface area for the pressure to work on (on both the bullet base and cartridge case head) would be the main thing accounting for snappier recoil. The pressure curve could play into it, but only by total area under the curve. You can't "feel" the steepness of the pressure curve directly, as the bullet exits the muzzle while the breech is still locked, and up to that point the slide and barrel are imparting almost zero recoil impulse to the pistol's frame or to the shooter's hand. The vast majority of recoil is transferred later in the recoil stroke, especially when the heavy slide impacts the frame. Anything that causes the slide to have more velocity at the time of impact, is going to make recoil feel more snappy.
@@mirandacandice9626 This response is a bit skewed. Every handgun that is "designed", meaning not an upscaled 9MM, has had no problem handling the .40 S&W. The HK USP, Sig P226, and SW 4006 were all designed to handle the cartridge and do it well when maintained. I take failures with 9mm vs 40 with a grain of salt because of the popularity of polymer striker fired firearms and people trying to put them through rigorous torture tests with no cleaning or maintenance (Glock). The reason 9MM is big on a world stage is because it's a NATO round (shake hands) round. Most special forces will use 45 ACP because it's a sub sonic round that pairs well with suppressors. However, a lot of Highway patrol officers preferred 40 S&W because of it's ability to defeat windshields and car doors -- same as the .357 and .357 sig. Now most outlets tout that 9MM technology has caught up. Well, that is a partially true statement when you consider cartridge pressure with decreased bullet weight for self defense rounds. Bullet characteristics are determined in their base form and when comparing full metal jacket 9 to 40, it's a no brainer. Kinetic energy and bullet weight are fight stoppers -- and one of the many reasons most tactical UA-camrs don't bother pitting 9mm against cartridge's bigger than .357 magnum. Glock raced to get into the .40 cal market to cement police contracts for there firearms and I'm shocked the rushed failures didn't tank the company. Nothing against Glock! I love their fire arms and my two Gen 3 RTF's chambered in .40 will never leave my possession. You have to realize that there's a lot of fads in the industry because that equals sales. Steel framed guns were ostracized by the late '90s and now companies are mating steel and aluminum frames to platforms that started as polymer. All you have to do is be patient and you'll see trends die and old things come back into the spotlight.
Actually, John Moses Browning was working with the 9.8mm Colt, which is the 10mm, at the turn of the century of 1900. As a matter of fact, his FN High Power he was developing was suppose to have been a 10mm but John Browning’s death derailed that. John Browning also developed a 1911 chambered in 10mm (9.8mm) for a European country. John Browning called it the Rad 40. There is some superb history on this presented by Legally Armed America UA-cam channel on the very surprising history of the 10mm.
I have a Gen2 31 with barrels for 40 & 9. I have a P229 Elite with 357S & 40S&W barrels and a complete 9mm upper for it as well. Nice to be able to utilize whatever is available and the 9mm certainly (in typical times) makes practice & plinking more affordable. Good video. Thanks!
Totally agree with the 40 also having improvements in bullets. 9 is 9 and its good but doesn’t have the same punch. If you want more punch put on your big boy pants.
@@fortressalaska9822 I have met plenty and they all seem to have one thing in common, guess…, they have never even shot one but just heard bad things or that it’s too snappy. I give them the opportunity to shoot my USP and it tends to be surprise as reaction and you can see they start to at least open their mind that not only 9mm is a good cal.
My USP 40 is the only gun I have discharged in defense of my life. It's not a high speed low drag striker fired 9mm with a red dot, but I implicitly would trust it to do it again.
I got lucky and found a S&W .40 for under $400 last month. Compared to my 9mm's I have: It hits harder! The ammo is twice as much, but I do not need as many ammo when I can do more damage with this cartridge. Thank you for your video.
I've been able to cheaply stockpile 40 from people getting away from that cartridge. Even off the shelf it's not a lot more now that the shelfs are restocked with every common round.
My last duty weapon up until I retired in 2014 was a Glock 22 gen4. I still prefer it today over any semi-auto pistol. Especially now that I recently discovered the Sig P250, I went through the police academy with a revolver and prefer revolvers, that is until I got my hands on a Sig P250. I feel the switch back to 9mm is based mostly on cost.
If one can carry a full-size pistol with its standard magazine, the capacity argument is weak. A standard Glock 22/31 mag holds 15 rounds of .40 cal/.357 Sig; a standard Glock 17 mag holds 17 rounds of 9mm. Those two rounds are unlikely to make any difference if you've already fired 15.
Totally agree with you... The rotation of the PX4's barrel dissipates the felt recoil very effectively. A sidearm is such a personal choice. You made a good one.
@@fortressalaska9822Don't forget about 8000 series. The 8040 and the 8045 are some if the softess shooting hand guns and they are just a metal version. I own both storm and 8000 series in .40 and .45. For some reason the 8040 isn't as accurate as the others, always have to Kentucky windage it. Lol.
I still believe the only reason that law enforcement switched to the 9mm from the 40 SW is that those with limp wristed personnel couldn’t qualify with a gun that has the stopping power,instead they went to a gun where multi magazines are required to stop the threat! Departments should allow armed personnel to pick their carry & backup firearms instead of the one gun fits all approach 😊
The bug in the ointment with selecting different guns, you're not sharing mags if need be. My personal opinion is all police agencies,coast to coast, border to border all use the same caliber, manufacturer,model, and they need the best ammo, which is seldom the case. Then every officer anywhere can share mags with another officer at any time, anywhere.
The bug in the ointment with selecting different guns, you're not sharing mags if need be. My personal opinion is all police agencies,coast to coast, border to border all use the same caliber, manufacturer,model, and they need the best ammo, which is seldom the case. Then every officer anywhere can share mags with another officer at any time, anywhere.
Thousands of rounds in 40 caliber fired from a H&K full size and compact handguns. Never had a problem. Love the 40 caliber. Just my preference. Still carry the compact in 40.
In order of semi-auto personal preference; 10mm, .357 Sig, .45 ACP, .40 S&W. For me, the 9mm only gets an honorable mention, along with the 5.7x28mm with this lineup.
Thank you for an excellent explanation! My first semi-auto was a .40 S&W, this was during the early 1990's when most policing agency's were adopting the .40S&W. I got so tired of the Glock fan boys saying the Glock 9's were more accurate and powerful than any other gun. Most of them could not keep lead on paper even at 7 yards. Thank again.
The truth about the 40 S&W is that it is only for those who are strong in the hands, forearms and shoulders. Any adult can improve strength in those areas with proper grip exercises and forearm weight lifting. I saw a man do a video showing how he improved all three areas by merely lifting up with one hand a baseball bat. He lifted it to shoulder height then would use his hands and forearms to flip it up and down. I tried it. It does indeed help in grip strength, so therefore the Truth About the 9mm is that it is fore those who do not want to take the time and effort to be able to handle larger calibers. As th 40 is quite superior to the 9, I wonder why folks settle for less.
I am an assumed 180gr .40"S&W paired to a Glock 23 fan boy. It has been my EDC since 1990 and to this day; and there's not a thing a would change to that... it's the gun I've shot the most and therefore the best. The one I trust the most too. So yeah...
i love .40 s&w, it is my favorite cartridge caliber and the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though! between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
@@brianc9374 i don't like hydra skok, i like hst and punch.....hornady critical defense & duty(this is a perfect round but doesn't have enough "umph", ie; speed)....speer gold dot.....winchester ranger-t series, supreme elite, defender, silvertip....underwood, corbon, buffalo bore and doubletap.....remington golden saber & ultimate defense......black hills ammo.....grizzly ammo......and others that are acceptable are fiocchi and sellier & bellot and sig sauer elite v-crown...some lower tier brands that are also ok and ride the line of acceptable, at least for target practice recreation are blazer ammo and pmc ammo
@@ethanmac639 depends on caliber. The .45 230 and .40 155 seem to shoot well in 1911 and glock23. My number one choice for .45 is 230 golden Saber for 1911 I'm using Hornady critical defense 185 for my glock 30 I don't have the glock 23 anymore
You are very correct with the statement about 9mm and 40sw having similar pressures but the problem that many Gun Manufactures Which includes GLOCK they used the same Recoil Spring in the Glock 17 9mm and Glock 22 40sw in Gen 2-3 then in Gen 4 a new Recoil Spring Unit came out for the Gen 4 Glock 22/31 40sw/357sig the same mind policy continues with the Gen 5 pistols having their own Recoil Springs. At one time Glock was using a 17 LBS Recoil Spring for 9mm, 40sw, 45acp and 10mm Auto which made allot of shooters that did not have prior experience have more recoil that they should have but that was an easy fix with a 20LBS Recoil Spring for 40sw and 22LBS Spring for 45acp and 24LBS for 10mm Auto. I have a Gen 3 Glock 22 that I purchased brand new on Sept 2004 and I have put over 40K rounds thru that pistol. I used it as my Competition and CWP carry pistol and It has been ULTRA RELIABLE pistol for many years in 2015 I retire it when I got a Gen 4 Glock 22 and I re-build a RFT2 Glock 22 with Custom Slide and Match barrel and later put a Holosun 507c. I have purchased the Gen 5 G22 MOS and put a 507c 2.0 Green back in Oct 2021 that has been working great and I been using for some Competitions since my eyes are not what they used to be and the 507 is a nice Optic but I am replacing it with the SCS MOS because that what I have on the Gen 5 G20 and G21.
I had a 357sig in a G32 when they first came out.. could hit a 4" plate offhand at 100 yds, but it really sucked to shoot.. traded in on the 40 m&p.. also, The 357sig is more a 9mm mag, if you will..
I carried a 40S&W for 20 years. It was a snappy round as you lost mass in the magazine. Last shot all you had was a plastic handle to hold onto. Learned a lot about managing a plastic gun. Switched to a browning and what a difference! I still prefer a 45, it just works. Yup you are short rounds in the pistol over a wonder 9. I think the powder charge has advanced in both cartridges, so performance is comparable. I'm just miffed we are stuck with 10mm loaded to FBI Lite / 40S&W power. Chamber pressure is king, just ask SpaceX (raptor 3). I would dearly love to see a return of the 9x23 at 65k psi.
The original .40 S&W caused problems for early guns based on the 9MM. Most of this was how the striker wiped the primer of the round. When Ruger came out with the 80 series gun to fire it, it was the first gun to have major success with the cartridge. After that everyone caught up and the .40 is my top pick for a defense gun. The only problem is finding ammo for the .40.
Waiting on the parts for a .40 S&W AR platform rifle I ordered to get here. Should have the upper on Friday. Need to call the local gun shop and see if they have an update on the complete lower I'd ordered from their website.
I love it when 9mm fans refer to the .40 as “short and weak.” How quickly they forget that the .40 evolved from the shortcomings ( real or imagined) of their 9mm and .38 special. Today’s marketing catch phrase is “bullet technology.” As if gains in terminal performance due to design won’t carry from one caliber to another… I like the.40 S&W for all the reasons that made it popular when it hit the market.
.357 SIG was designed and is capable of defeating some body armor. The others may beat up the meat and bones inside, but a bullet bouncing around inside is a bonus. I shoot .40S&W, 9MM and .357SIG. I have many friends that shoot 9mm pistol and PCC and brass is easy to find, so I stack that DEEP. I keep .40S&W because I own a G22 a brick of a handgun and it works, even with a 9mm adapter barrel. But my .357Sig is my favored HG because of the fireball, and hitting power vs the other 2 rounds.
I've seen a few 40s&w pistols blow up. Mostly what is happening is they are being over crimped when reloaded. Especially when using the carbide factory crimp die from Lee Precision. I noticed the 40 is difficult to feel the seating die doing the taper crimp on the case. The carbide factory crimp die is also hard to feel the subtle taper crimp and people have a tendency to keep turning the screw down until they feel the resistance. I find this especially with plated bullets. I pulled a number of bullets from overcrimped rounds and found the plated bullets were squashed down so much that they will drop to the bottom of an empty sized case with almost no contact on the brass at all. They measured .395 on average from the original .401 out of the box. That is likely why there is high pressure damage on 40 S&W chambers.
Actually, the 357 SIG is also a derivative of the 10mm: 40 S&W cases are too short. Cheers! P.S. With an M&P one can easily switch between 40 S&W and 357 SIG with only a barrel (and ammo!) change, as you describe: a 9mm conversion barrel and some 9mm magazines gives you three guns in one!
as an LEO back in '97, my agency had an OIS where 9mm didn't do the job, we switched to .40 Glock 22's, a few months later we had another OIS, guy firing from behind a truck, he was hard to get to the way the truck was parked without exposing yourself, another officer laid on the ground and had a clear lower extremity shot. The gun fight ended with 4 rounds of .40 in the ankles/lower legs. I've carried that G-22 for almost 30 years now.
The pressure a cartridge develops is not directly, but only partially, related to the power of the projectile. The .357 Sig needs to operate a high pressure in order to get the power of the projectile close to a 357 magnum while using a case that is substantially smaller in size.
@@fortressalaska9822 Your right sir. The SAAMI specs for the 357 Sig is 38,500 psi to 40,000 psi. That is substantial more pressure that the others. When the cartridge first came out it was toward the upper end of pressure. Now, cartridge manufacturers seem to have settled at about 1350 fps which is less than the original cartridge was designed for. Probably out of safety concerns. Great video sir.
Nice breakdown. Never understood 40hate. Compact in 9, and full size 40 and the 10mm for bear loads here in Idaho. 40 just appears to make more bullets do what their supposed to do, I like that. Thx for the vid!
@Fortress Alaska after your 1st shot don't let your finger go all the way forward off the trigger. Use 'Trigger Reset', hold trigger to the rear after 1st shot and gently let it forward until you feel and hear click then shoot again from there. Makes your trigger pull shorter and will make you more accurate. Practice dry firing racking the slide and squeezing the trigger until you are comfortable. Helps me when shooting 40 cal. Should be plenty of vids on UA-cam about it.Great video!
Enjoyed your video. I’m a fairly new shooter starting in 2020 and starting with the 9mm. However, over time I’ve progressed to larger calibers. I did so because I just thought it was the way to go but over time I’ve come to enjoy shooting larger calibers especially 45ACP because I like 1911s. Recently I’ve been shooting my P320 Compact in .40 and 357 Sig and I like the feel and response with both calibers. I don’t own a 10mm yet but I’m inching in that direction. Early on I purchased a M&P .40 Compact 4” and didn’t like it now after learning to handle higher calibers I think it’s one of the finest handguns I own and enjoy shooters it. I just ordered a holster for it so it will go into my rotation. I will say for me the .45 ACP taught me how to handle higher calibers. It’s a slower round with enough recoil to teach proper grip and techniques necessary for higher calibers. One man’s opinion and admitted limited exposure and experience. Anyway useful video thanks for posting
All calibers have their strengths and weakness, I am happy to read you did not fall into the one size fits all mentality of the radical 9mm crowd. I would suggest trying a revlover, .357 Magnum is a good starting one as you can use .38 special which has much less recoil. I will have videos on the 10 mm coming up later in spring.
@@fortressalaska9822 😂 interesting that you should mention that I also purchased a Kimber K6s DA/SA 2” which indeed was a bit hot for me as a beginner. However, after changing their factory grips for that pistol to their “Combat” grips for the same pistol I’ve been able to handle it now even with .357 loads. Also, fairly recently I purchased a Colt Python 🐍 4” that I’m really appreciating. I tried changing the grips because they’re a bit slippery but still reasonable to handle but in the end I’ve gone back to the stock grips because I have larger hands and although the stock grips are slippery I can handle the wide width of the stock ones best but I’m still searching. I think you’re absolutely right. And thanks for your feedback.
Very interesting. I have a SW99 40 cal. (In Colorado) I bought it a long time ago because I liked the way it fit my hand. I was thinking of selling it but after this video, it will make a nice addition here. :-) Thank you
That gun is a keeper. If you ever do want to sell it, let me know. But honestly, it would be a great gun for when you run into town or do other long drives.
Keep that pistol!! It’s a well made, durable, and reliable piece. No need to get rid of it. You’ll be sorry. Smith and Walther did a great job on that gun!! Stay safe out there.
@@GLOCKCOPG23 I am keeping it for sure! I love the way it fits my hands and the recoil is manageable for me. I also just bought the Smith and Wesson MP 10MM. Nice pistol! 😁Thank you!
NO NO NO…. The .357Sig is NOT a necked down .40. It’s a CUT (but still longer than 40) 10mm and then necked down to .357Sig. Google it. Countless people believe the .357Sig came from a 40 casing and that’s incorrect. The 40, if necked down, would be too SHORT for a .357Sig. Again, Google it and educate yourself.
@@fortressalaska9822 Hahaha, no worries. It’s a very common mistake actually. I too once believed otherwise until I learned how the .357Sig came to fruition. It’s kind of logical to think it came out of a .40 S&W case.
You, sir, are the first person on UA-cam I have heard correctly state and explain the "high pressure" fallacy. I heard anti-intellectual, Ed Hardy-wearing asshats crow for years about how the "high-pressure" .40 and .357 Sig tore guns apart, while simultaneously carrying and praising to the heavens 9mm pistols with +P+ ammo. The problem was always recoil momentum and slide velocity. Originally, most manufacturers (Glock in the Gen 3 pistols, for example), used the exact same spring for 9mm, 40, .357, and .45 GAP. This was the problem; same reciprocating weight and same spring with more momentum overpowers the system. The .45 GAP improved this by the heavier slide which absorbed more of the reciprocating momentum, but once the Gen 4 was introduced with the improved locking block and heavier spring for the .40, .357, and .45 GAP, the Glocks in those calibers would last just as long as a 9mm (and longer, if the 9mm were fed +P and +P+ ammo). That silly argument against the .40 (it was also leveled against my beloved .357 Sig) is just as ridiculous as if manufacturers were to take a handgun design in .380, retain the same slide mass and spring, and chamber it in 9mm. This would give the 9mm the reputation of tearing guns apart, but it still wouldn't be due to the higher pressure!
A Glock 35 with a 9mm conversion barrel like lone wolf that drops in on. a field strip gives you two calibres in one gun and works perfectly . The Glock 40sw magazines will aslo feed 9mm ammo flawlessly also . Not the other way though as the 40 ammo wont fit 9mm mags . I assume the same would work on a Glock 22 as well . You can also use 9mm mags in a G35 frame as they are the same size .
Speaking of a barrel swap to change the .40 S&W to a .357 Sig I believe doing so would add a little weight to the total weight of the firearm because of the different thickness of the barrel. That could possibly be equaled out because of the lighter bullets the Sig would use. ???
In 2010 I bought a S&W M&P Compact in 357SIG with factory night sights and three 10 round mags. In time I bought a .40 S&W barrel and two 15 round mags. Then I got a 9mm barrel, three 12 round and two 17 round 9mm mags. All in all it's a versatile rig and fun to shoot.
40 and 9 operate at the same pressure? Then why do people claim the 40 is "snappier"? Myself, I feel the M&P 40 and M&P 9 compacts shoot pretty much the same. Exact same size frame and slide and very little difference in how they feel when shooting.
Looking at the spec's, the 40 S&W, it is slightly less powerful than a 44 Henry rimfire. The 40 S&W however generates more than double the pressure than the 44 Henry but that's the difference between black powder and smokeless powder.
The main reason the .40 was adapted from the ten was over penetration. The .40 would dump all of it’s energy into the target and not go thru the house! The standard load was 180 grns at less than a 1000 fps. For penetration one could use 165 grn bullets at greater than 1000 fps.
One correction, the 357sig is made from shortened and bottle necked 10mm brass, not 40SW. It would be too short if made from necked down 40 brass. Both are made from 10mm brass shortened.
i love .40 s&w it is the ideal cartridge caliber! but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
I cast boolits and reload for it. I found it to be a good round for reloading and target shooting cast boolits. It is just as cheap to cast and reload for 40 as it is 9, in my experience. But it is a lot easier to work with than 9mm and .380. 45 is the easiest to work with for reloading for semi-auto pistols, and pretty forgiving. Since we are limited to 10 rounds here in Oregon now for CCW, I switched from 357 Sig to 45 +P for my carry gun. 357 Sig is the most difficult round to reload, as you have to resize with the 40 die first, then size the shoulders with the 357 Sig die... you have to add an extra die to the process. And flaring and crimping the case mouth is a pain because you have to find the sweet spot to hold the neck tension just right, and also have enough crimp to catch the chamber. 357 Sig can headspace on the case mouth or the shoulder depending on the barrel manufacturer. Some, like Sig's, its both. Glocks its the case mouth (their chambers are a bit "sloppy" on purpose so they feed reliably different ammo manufacture). Lone Wolf aftermarket barrels its the shoulder. 357 Sig's parent case is the 10mm, not the 40 S&W. If you form a 40 S&W into a 357 Sig, the case will be roughly 0.01" shorter - which never stopped me from doing it for target loads - they run just fine.
I like my CZ 75B 40 a lot. I keep it full of 180gr ammo. Yes a bit more snap but it does everything I could ask for. Whether jacketed or my hard cast it is a stopper in all my needs.
I love the 40 S&W its my EDC, I have a G23 and a PT101AF (Taurus 40 cal) I usually carry the Taurus, but sometimes I carry the Glock, I love them both, because they are both 40 cal
I love .357 Sig, way better than .40 S&W. The parent case for .357 Sig is the 10mm with a small pistol primer. The .40 case is too short for necking down to .357 Sig and results in a COAL that is not long enough
all depends on how it is loaded. most 357s rounds are close to max power whereas 40 has been downloaded substantially. they are very similar with comparable bullet weights. the 357s does shoot flatter because it's a lighter bullet, but at defense distances that matters nothing
The original Norma 10mm used large pistol primers. The 40 S&W uses small pistol primers. Now some 10mm cases use small pistol prime because of commonality with the .40 S&W.
40sw balances power, capacity, and effectiveness better than most. The problem with 40sw is not the cartridge. It was stuffed into a lot of pistols not designed for it. In something like an HK Vp40 it works very well.
@@fortressalaska9822 exactly, and what is funny is that 9mm is the same pressure, regular 9mm ammo is 35,000psi, exact same as .40 s&w, which they call "high pressure", and 9mm +p and 9mm +p+ are 38,500psi and 42,000psi, much more than .40 s&w, so more wear/tear, recoil, less accuracy, especially for follow up shots and fast follow up shots, higher muzzle rise/flip etc etc etc , everything they accuse the .40 s&w of, and the handguns built for the .40 s&w are stronger than 9mm handguns not designed for the +p ammo, and that means that the 9mm is all those bad things plus less durable handguns with less power....i still don't understand the 9mm obsession, especially with all that info
i love the 40 s&w, it is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though! between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
Largely myth, you can shoot 200gr all day from a .40 if you want, some like to even. You don't see many 200gr options in .40 but handloaders do use them. The 180gr is fine in .40, a bit softer shooting than 165gr.
The 40 is probably the ultimate semiauto pistol round. It’s got a good balance of power, control ability and capacity. I find the 155 to 165 grain bullets are the sweet spot with regard to velocity, energy and penetration. The 357 Sig is really a great option to the 40 if recoil is a problem. Great presentation 👍
180grn too heavy? How? It was literally intended for that load. Is 147 grn in 9mm too heavy? A 165grn is basically equivalent to a 124grn in 9mm in terms of velocity and sectional density. A 180grn is equal to a 147grn in terms of velocity and sectional density. A 180grn .40 is the same sectional density as a 230grn 45acp and 9mm 147grn but moving faster with more energy than both. It Carries more mass and therefore has more barrier and bone crushing penetration capability . 165 grn is much more snappy recoil. Please tell me how “180 was always too heavy for the .40 s&w”…
Great video thank you. I know the majority of people want to see cool guns on videos and ammo vids don’t do quite as well so thank you for doing this. For Carrie I prefer 40 smith and Wesson but I don’t hate at nine.
Manufacturers did the same to the 357 sig that they did to the 10mm by loading it down. Underwood's 125 Gr 357 sig has been chronograph at over 1500 fps.,
TY Dave,just subscribed cause this was a great video maybe next one u can show the recoil on all them cartridges or just a side view of you guys shooting them if same length guns.
I have a beretta px4 compact in 40sw and understand some company, somewhere makes a 357 barrel for it. Does anyone know where they can be purchased? Thx
I have a Glock 23 as my carry weapon. I switched it from .40 s & w to .357 sig. barrel change only. I did so because I am much more accurate with the .357 sig. no idea why. I am 72 and been shooting for a long time, not recoil sensitive etc.
I had problems with the .40 also despite plenty of practice and being taught and critiqued. I couldn't hit very well, until I switched to a full size 9mm. But it was a Taurus Millennium G2C PT40G2C, a compact. I believe if it were in full size, I would have done a lot better. I can shoot a .45 ACP and .357 mag and .38 spl very well.
I can't argue with anything here. What you didn't mention are the stats on one-shot stops. The forty is at 96% because of the huge energy dump on impact with the right bullet.
The only thing I ever heard on any of those cartridges was the cracked frame issue that Colt had with the 10 mm Delta Elite. As was stated in the video this was a Colt issue and not a 10 mm issue.
I wonder how the recoil would be in one of the new lower barrel bore guns . Not sure what the real name is for those guns ? Should not be snappy but a push back .
I was shocked to learn years ago that the 124gr 9mm NATO generates more pressure (36,500-38,000 psi) than a .40 S&W (35,000 psi). But it’s true as stated in the video.
I have a LE trade in G22 Gen 4. Lightly used by the looks of it. had run a few magazines through it before taking to a speed steel match. All I use is factory ammo and prefer 180 gr. Unknown reason but broke a trigger pin in the first stage of the match. A friend of mine who was there and had parts took it home and tore it down to check it out. Must have been a bad pin from the factory. But now wondering about the recoil spring and will check that out. Thank's for your input on the 40 cal.
Sometimes the heat treatment on those pins go awry.. they are first hardened then tempered . If they aren't hard enough, they bend. If they too hard , they crack and break... It happens.. I would be shocked if you ever had another issue
And he gave you excellent advice on the recoil spring.. if you really wanted to do it right , you could just order a Glock OEM , frame.parts kit , and run completely thru it .. they aren't expensive at all, and it's a small price to pay for peace if mind
The only way that the 9mm beats the .40 is in costs. With much greater production volume there is the Economy of Scale. Secondly, related to the first is that it takes less time, expense, and effort to “qualify” a new Recruit with a 9mm. Given the turnover rate and DEI recruit its millions of dollars in savings. The 9mm has been improved significantly and is deemed “adequate” , therefore it’s the new standard.
The S&W 5906 and 4006 have always been easy for me to shoot well, therefore I have a 4006 next to me at night. My other 40 is a Springfield XDM 5.25 with a Holosun, which I use for deer hunting small does for the freezer. I reload my 40`s with Redding dies and HS-6 powder.
I still believe that, even with the improved bullets, the 40 is still what the 9mm wishes it was.
I tend to agree
The " Improved Bullets " are also loaded in 40 caliber ammo...
Agreed.
i agree and glad for this comment. its everything a 9 couldnt be.
fully agreed
The failure of the 1986 shootout was that the FBI brought hand guns to a rifle fight.
Yes, and this is discussed in the video I mentioned
@@fortressalaska9822 Bulletproof vest may have something to do with it
Paul Harrel said it was a failure of accuracy. Not a failure of firepower.
@@ihcterra4625 it was a failure of accuracy from all the agents . But one bullet did hit . It was a 9mm 115 grain silvertip, and it impacted the perp sideways and had to travel thru the shoulder into the chest cavity. It stopped just short of the heart and thus didn't immediately incapacitate ..
This is why the FBI suggest the penetration parameters of 12-18" inches into calibrated gel
There were many failures that day. They knew the guys were armed with rifles, and had time to arm up better but didn't. And on the fateful day, they were forced to fight guys armed with rifles with 38 snubs and 9mm Beretta.
@@thealarmclock9307 a heart shot that completely destroys the heart can take 90 seconds to incapacitate. The only immediate stopping shot is CNS.
Like suspect #2. He was taken out of the fight almost immediately by hits from a 9mm.
The FBI had several 357s. That isn't under powered. They made poor decisions to load them down to 38 special +P and there were some issues with reloading those revolver's.
The FBI missed far too many shots and the one bad guy got hits that took people out of the fight.
I live here in Alaska, my first sidearm was a Glock m22 40 S&W home build and I've taken down 4 moose using American Eagle 180 Gr. FMJ and was never let down, now I carry the HK vp 40 S&W, some people said "a 40 S&W ain't gonna kill anything in Alaska, you need at least a 44 magnum or 460 S&W" I told them the more skill you have the less firepower you need and here I am up to this day proving em wrong 👌❤️🔥💯
40, 357, even 9, will take down big game. But for bear defense, I want as much power as possible.
@@fortressalaska9822yah 10mm is king but 40 beats 9mm an 45 😂
I purchased a G35 back in 2005 for IPSC and it's now my woods gun anywhere in the lower 48 (live in WY so we do see brown bears). I put a lone wolf/alphawolf 6'' barrel in it and run hardcast or extreme penetrators. Every time I tell my buddies I'm thinking about buying a G40 they talk me out of it 😂. They're like why would you waste that money?
What's interesting is they probably can't hit a moving target at 15 yds with those sidearms and are actually firepower 'limited' with 5-6 rounds in their revolvers. I'll take a sidearm I'm familiar with and can put rounds on target QUICKLY with a 15 round capacity over their massive revolvers any day. If I did anything, I'd just convert one of my glocks to 460 rowland but they've been known to FTF and that's not ok in my book. My G35 hasn't missed a beat over 15 years with multiple types of ammo.
Why are shooting at moose with a handgun? Do you not own a rifle?
The 40sw has a lot of versatility. There are smaller grain weight varieties that are loaded lighter so it shoots as soft as a 9 mm. The 135 grain 40sw loaded to full potential rivals the 125 grain 357 sig. The 155 grain 40sw loaded to its full potential is comparable to the 357 magnum, it is the grain size where the 40sw really at the 150 grain area. Then you have the 200 grain 40sw hardcasts for wood defense and these rivals the 45 acp + p ammo. On top of all this, it has capacity very close to the 9mm, fits in 9 mm size guns, and second cheapest ammo available. 40sw is the most balanced caliber in all categories. Jack of all trades master of none. So if you want one pistol caliber that can do it all adequately, 40sw is it.
You also have the 205 grain subsonic ball ammo 40sw available if you want to suppress and get the knockdown power of 45 acp. Of course it isnt as good as the 45 acp in these categories, but the 40sw can hang in these categories.
I really need to try the bullets in the 150 grain area
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Con mis 73 años soy fiel escudero de las .40, .45 y .357 Magnum !!!...❤
40 over 9 for the win! Larger frontal area, heavier bullet, 25-30% more energy, similar mag capacity, similar velocity, same internal case pressure, similar defensive ammo cost, very slightly more recoil….40 beats 9 all day long….even with “modern bullet technology”. Period. End.
Absolutely correct. I am tired of only seeing new guns in 9mm. Need more 40's and 357 Sigs
They act like the “new bullet technology” only applies to 9mm
@@hankhill3417 Exactly. Plus there is no doubt anything a 9 mm can do, a 40 does better.
@@fortressalaska9822 Yes, please! I love the .40 (also the 10mm and .357), and own many .40's, it's an outstanding cartridge. I hope more manufacturers continue to produce firearms in this caliber
you guys made me feel good about purchasing my sw .40 10 years ago, not knowing any specs about the gun.
took it to range and loved it.
i thought yeah, anyone who decides to break into my house will get stretched out quite nicely. it's plenty of firepower.
Started with .40 decades ago because that was the police round. Figured if it's good enough for them... Now I'm too invested to turn back but I love the .40!
I still favor power and size over cost
@@fortressalaska9822 if you like power...consider 357sig💪
@@kevinrichardson8859 I carry one
@@fortressalaska9822 👍 💪 🏆
If you have a Glock 40 you can buy 357, 9mm, and a 10 mm. Barrels to fit .
I'm always amused when 9mm fans talk about "modern bullet design" as if the 40 was staying back in the caveman days. They never seem to think that the 40 manufacturers also utilize modern bullets in their cartridges. A rising tide floats all boats. Not just the boats you like.
So very true
Modern ammo designs DO improve effectiveness of the 9mm. BUT , they also improve everything else.
The lowly 38sp has really improved with modern bullets, but that didn’t turn it into a 357 mag.
I carry every one of these on any given day. Before bullet improvement I’d have probably passed on the 9mm.
Now , today, I feel plenty confident the 9mm will perform, so not so anxious as I would’ve been say 20yrs ago.
I was a quick adopter of the 40, then a little later the 10, I didn’t carry a 9mm until fairly recently.
The same people, including the FBI, claim the 9mm is as powerful as the 45acp. Call me crazy, but a 230 grain 45acp round transfers a lot more kinetic energy on target than the 124 grain 9mm.
@@rangerup1804 no they don’t. They claim it’s as EFFECTIVE as. Quite a difference. And that only after new ammo became available.
It moved ALL defense calibers up a few notches on effectiveness.
If it stops the fight then it was just as effective as the next round that stopped the fight. And that’s the goal, stop the fight.
A one shot stop doesn’t mean death, it means the other guy is out of the fight in one shot.
A 9mm HST or gold dot etc is certainly capable of that. It used to be the 357mag was THEE go to for one shot stops.
125gr HP from a 4” bbl was the gold standard, and the inspiration for the 10mm, 40sw and 357sig.
The 45 was already in the club. Now these others are too, not more powerful, equally effective.
@@rangerup1804 There Ya go, thinking logically. You know that's not allowed on the interwebs. 😃😃
As far as CCW goes I think the 40 is perfect. I also carry 40 in the woods and feel better armed than my 9 mm. I have gotten reloading dies in 40 and will not go back to 9 mm. Just a matter of personal taste I suppose.
Well there is personal taste and good taste, you have both.
I keep 2 /9mm that are great BUG guns, but my 40 s&w,10mm,357 sig and 357 and 327,magnum Are primary carry
Amen!
@@michaeljennings5860that's a lot of firepower to be carrying around all at once. 😊
@@TheFredmac only carrying one of the main ones and a 9 mm back up and have 2 other ones in my car when I am out, and they are all with me when I am home have several car safe and a home safe
The 40sw is a very solid round. Recoil isn’t terrible yet it’s powerful enough to handle most situations anyone will ever encounter.
I always laugh when people complain about the recoil of a .40, when I grew up firing .357 magnum. Or how about avoid a plastic gun and get one made of metal, little weight would help.
@@fortressalaska9822 yeah the recoil on 40 isn’t bad at all. I just shot my xdm 40 yesterday with some spicy rounds and it was smooth. I love shooting a big heavy powerful revolver. They will never make a plastic gun with that quality of trigger on even some budget revolvers much less something premium!
@@curtk8130 Yes, nothing like a S&W 686 Plus in 357 Mag
The 357 sig is my favorite, but ive been carrying a glock 27 for 20+ years and im not stopping now. Ive put enough rounds through it that i had to replace the barrel (yes, the barrel saw enough rounds that my glock certified gunsmith told me the barrel was “shot out”).
The 40 is a great round and people really shouldnt believe the trolls that spew all the myths about them.
I really hope manufacturers remember that options help improve sales, tired of seeing only 9mm on the market and new offerings.
Ive always wanted a 357 sig... I wish someone would make a barrel for my xd-s 40
@@thealarmclock9307 get you the G23 i can shoot 4 calibers from mine
I did my own testing with 45 acp, 44 mag, 357 mag, and 40 s&w, the 40 beat all of these rounds but the 44 mag, and it just fell a little short from the 44. The End.
My S&W M&P Shield 40 is my EDC sidearm. I've had it for nearly eight years, and I love it. About two years ago, I bought a Blue Label full-size S&W M&P 40 trade-in and was surprised by how good it was to handle, and its accuracy was terrific, both with heavy and lite loads. I later discovered that the M&P line was initially designed for the .40 S&W from the "ground up," which was unusual for the period. Right now, I'm looking at getting my hands on the Beretta Storm, also designed for the .40 S&W exclusively, although it's also offered in 9mm. From the many reviews I've researched, the Storm's rotating barrel is perfect for .40 S&W.
I feel the .40 S&W will make a massive comeback next year, and I can't wait for the new offerings in ammo and firearms. Unlike the .41 Action Express, that faded into history (yeah, I'm old).
I remember the 41 AE, I am also old. I also like the Sig P229, designed originally for the 40
Yeah, I like to see a come back too, hard to say though. I too remember the .41AE as I too am older.
41 AE was a fine round, as is the 40 Smith. Not much ammo selection was available. A fmj and a jhp which didn't expand was all that was available.
Double Tap 10mm 155 gr. has 1500 fps and 750 fp of energy, 357 158 gr has 1520 fps and 688 fp of energy . 10mm 135 gr has 1600 fps and 767 fp of energy, 357 125 gr has 1750 fps and 710 fp of energy those are both from a 6” bbl so 10 mm has an edge on 357 and Double Tap has the hottest bullets out there .
If you want the original gun designed from the ground up for .40 S&W, look no further than the HK USP. I carry a USP compact .40, excellent gun.
I like the .40 the best, even though I've had 10mm, 357 SIG, etc. To me it's the best of all of them, you can do light and fast (135gr-155gr) or heavy (180gr-200gr).
My favorite the the 357 Sig
My carry is Glock G29 with a G23 mag
@@ashemsavage6842 23 mag wont work in a 29 completely different sizes
@@SDGlock23 you are correct I meant G27 thank you
@@fortressalaska9822 mine to hands down favorite
Your right. Folks like yeager whined about the 40 being an high pressure cartridge but it's not. The snappiness it has is in part due to more bullet weight and velocity but what they don't realize is the 40 reaches its peak pressure in curve quite rapidly. More so than 9mm and 45acp. This accounts for that impulse in shooting. Instead folks make up urban high pressure legends and it gets spread around like manure.
And they go as far as to say the manufactures tells them that 40 will break their gun, no manufacturer would say that!
@@fortressalaska9822 Handguns chambered in .40 S&W have a significantly lower service life than those in 9x19 and .45 ACP. And .40 S&W IS a high pressure round, that designation has nothing to do with SAAMI chamber specs or PSI. Yeager was correct in deeming it high-pressure, but he was wrong when he used chamber pressure to do it.
The .40 being termed correctly as a high-pressure round takes into account recoil impulse, recoil velocity and recoil energy that is directed at the gun's frame when a round is fired.
There are Colt 1911s and Glock 17/19s out there with literally millions of rounds through them with only minor repairs to springs, barrels and firing pins.
There isn't a handgun chambered in .40S&W that has made it past a measly 60K rounds.
There's no question that the .40 is ballistically superior to the 9x19, but its drawbacks just don't give it an advantage in the handgun world when you compare ammo cost and availability, firearm service life and ease of shooting. Plus, when guns chambered in .40 start to fail, they do so with dangerous consequences to the user. The industry calls it the .40 Smith & Breaker for a reason.
If I survive a gunshot from a 9x19, then I'd also survive one from a .40.
There's a reason why .40 S&W is only used by a handful of govt. organizations in the US and Canada and is rapidly declining there. On the global stage, .40 isn't even a player. The 9mm and .45 ACP are the world standard for pistol cartridges.
@@mirandacandice9626 First, almost no handgun will ever see 20,000 rounds. Yes there are exceptions, but even the military only expects a service life of about 20,000 rounds without repairs. The 9mm is the world standard because it does work, and it is cheap and easy to train troops. The 10mm failed in law enforcement due to the difficulty in training people to shoot it, hence the 10mm short was developed, AKA the 40 S&W. And it was once the king for law enforcement, but it too failed really because of cost and training.
I should think that having more surface area for the pressure to work on (on both the bullet base and cartridge case head) would be the main thing accounting for snappier recoil. The pressure curve could play into it, but only by total area under the curve. You can't "feel" the steepness of the pressure curve directly, as the bullet exits the muzzle while the breech is still locked, and up to that point the slide and barrel are imparting almost zero recoil impulse to the pistol's frame or to the shooter's hand. The vast majority of recoil is transferred later in the recoil stroke, especially when the heavy slide impacts the frame. Anything that causes the slide to have more velocity at the time of impact, is going to make recoil feel more snappy.
@@mirandacandice9626 This response is a bit skewed. Every handgun that is "designed", meaning not an upscaled 9MM, has had no problem handling the .40 S&W. The HK USP, Sig P226, and SW 4006 were all designed to handle the cartridge and do it well when maintained. I take failures with 9mm vs 40 with a grain of salt because of the popularity of polymer striker fired firearms and people trying to put them through rigorous torture tests with no cleaning or maintenance (Glock). The reason 9MM is big on a world stage is because it's a NATO round (shake hands) round. Most special forces will use 45 ACP because it's a sub sonic round that pairs well with suppressors. However, a lot of Highway patrol officers preferred 40 S&W because of it's ability to defeat windshields and car doors -- same as the .357 and .357 sig. Now most outlets tout that 9MM technology has caught up. Well, that is a partially true statement when you consider cartridge pressure with decreased bullet weight for self defense rounds. Bullet characteristics are determined in their base form and when comparing full metal jacket 9 to 40, it's a no brainer. Kinetic energy and bullet weight are fight stoppers -- and one of the many reasons most tactical UA-camrs don't bother pitting 9mm against cartridge's bigger than .357 magnum.
Glock raced to get into the .40 cal market to cement police contracts for there firearms and I'm shocked the rushed failures didn't tank the company. Nothing against Glock! I love their fire arms and my two Gen 3 RTF's chambered in .40 will never leave my possession. You have to realize that there's a lot of fads in the industry because that equals sales. Steel framed guns were ostracized by the late '90s and now companies are mating steel and aluminum frames to platforms that started as polymer. All you have to do is be patient and you'll see trends die and old things come back into the spotlight.
Actually, John Moses Browning was working with the 9.8mm Colt, which is the 10mm, at the turn of the century of 1900. As a matter of fact, his FN High Power he was developing was suppose to have been a 10mm but John Browning’s death derailed that. John Browning also developed a 1911 chambered in 10mm (9.8mm) for a European country. John Browning called it the Rad 40. There is some superb history on this presented by Legally Armed America UA-cam channel on the very surprising history of the 10mm.
I will have to research the Rad 40, so much history so little time!
It’s the 9.8mm not the 10mm you buffoon
I have a Gen2 31 with barrels for 40 & 9. I have a P229 Elite with 357S & 40S&W barrels and a complete 9mm upper for it as well.
Nice to be able to utilize whatever is available and the 9mm certainly (in typical times) makes practice & plinking more affordable.
Good video. Thanks!
I like to see others think as I do.
My thoughts too.
Totally agree with the 40 also having improvements in bullets. 9 is 9 and its good but doesn’t have the same punch. If you want more punch put on your big boy pants.
Lets face it, the FBI went to 9mm because their agents could not handle the 40, very sad
Love my 40, HK USP has been amazing. Have had it for over 10 years thousands of rounds and no issues.
I never met anyone who had troubles with a 40
@@fortressalaska9822 I have met plenty and they all seem to have one thing in common, guess…, they have never even shot one but just heard bad things or that it’s too snappy. I give them the opportunity to shoot my USP and it tends to be surprise as reaction and you can see they start to at least open their mind that not only 9mm is a good cal.
The USP40 is a cupcake in comparison to a S&W M&P40. The H&K USP Compact 40 and P2000 are also pretty soft shooting.
My USP 40 is the only gun I have discharged in defense of my life. It's not a high speed low drag striker fired 9mm with a red dot, but I implicitly would trust it to do it again.
The hk usp40 is the finest 40 caliber pistol ever made.
I got lucky and found a S&W .40 for under $400 last month. Compared to my 9mm's I have: It hits harder! The ammo is twice as much, but I do not need as many ammo when I can do more damage with this cartridge. Thank you for your video.
Thank you for watching. Great find on that 40 S&W
I've been able to cheaply stockpile 40 from people getting away from that cartridge. Even off the shelf it's not a lot more now that the shelfs are restocked with every common round.
My last duty weapon up until I retired in 2014 was a Glock 22 gen4. I still prefer it today over any semi-auto pistol. Especially now that I recently discovered the Sig P250, I went through the police academy with a revolver and prefer revolvers, that is until I got my hands on a Sig P250. I feel the switch back to 9mm is based mostly on cost.
My first duty weapon was a S&W K frame in 38 Special, my how times have changed!
it is absolutely based on cost!!!! Agencies claim all kinds of things, but it's cost. plain and simple.
If one can carry a full-size pistol with its standard magazine, the capacity argument is weak. A standard Glock 22/31 mag holds 15 rounds of .40 cal/.357 Sig; a standard Glock 17 mag holds 17 rounds of 9mm. Those two rounds are unlikely to make any difference if you've already fired 15.
Capacity is never a concern for me, sometimes I carry a revolver.
My EDC is a Beretta PX4 Storm in 40. I have thousands of rounds through it and I have no problem with the recoil. Carry what you want as do I.
One of the very best polymer DA/SA pistols. Probably the most under rated pistol made.
Totally agree with you...
The rotation of the PX4's barrel dissipates the felt recoil very effectively. A sidearm is such a personal choice.
You made a good one.
@@fortressalaska9822Don't forget about 8000 series. The 8040 and the 8045 are some if the softess shooting hand guns and they are just a metal version. I own both storm and 8000 series in .40 and .45. For some reason the 8040 isn't as accurate as the others, always have to Kentucky windage it. Lol.
I still believe the only reason that law enforcement switched to the 9mm from the 40 SW is that those with limp wristed personnel couldn’t qualify with a gun that has the stopping power,instead they went to a gun where multi magazines are required to stop the threat! Departments should allow armed personnel to pick their carry & backup firearms instead of the one gun fits all approach 😊
The bug in the ointment with selecting different guns, you're not sharing mags if need be. My personal opinion is all police agencies,coast to coast, border to border all use the same caliber, manufacturer,model, and they need the best ammo, which is seldom the case. Then every officer anywhere can share mags with another officer at any time, anywhere.
The bug in the ointment with selecting different guns, you're not sharing mags if need be. My personal opinion is all police agencies,coast to coast, border to border all use the same caliber, manufacturer,model, and they need the best ammo, which is seldom the case. Then every officer anywhere can share mags with another officer at any time, anywhere.
@@chuckster243 I’m sorry but I don’t have any Idea what you are trying to convey ,as far as I know there is no one gun or one type of ammo !
Thousands of rounds in 40 caliber fired from a H&K full size and compact handguns. Never had a problem. Love the 40 caliber. Just my preference. Still carry the compact in 40.
H&K, Great guns, I have a P7 M8 coming up for review, the greatest Pistol of all times!
In order of semi-auto personal preference; 10mm, .357 Sig, .45 ACP, .40 S&W. For me, the 9mm only gets an honorable mention, along with the 5.7x28mm with this lineup.
I can agree with your ranking
10mm is higher pressure than 40 which is really just a shorter slightly loaded down 10mm so if .40 is so bad .10 mm would be worse on your guns
Thank you for an excellent explanation! My first semi-auto was a .40 S&W, this was during the early 1990's when most policing agency's were adopting the .40S&W. I got so tired of the Glock fan boys saying the Glock 9's were more accurate and powerful than any other gun. Most of them could not keep lead on paper even at 7 yards. Thank again.
The truth about the 40 S&W is that it is only for those who are strong in the hands, forearms and shoulders. Any adult can improve strength in those areas with proper grip exercises and forearm weight lifting. I saw a man do a video showing how he improved all three areas by merely lifting up with one hand a baseball bat. He lifted it to shoulder height then would use his hands and forearms to flip it up and down. I tried it. It does indeed help in grip strength, so therefore the Truth About the 9mm is that it is fore those who do not want to take the time and effort to be able to handle larger calibers. As th 40 is quite superior to the 9, I wonder why folks settle for less.
I have to disagree, I know average women who love the 10mm and 357 magnums and they have no special strength, but what they do is practice.
@@fortressalaska9822 Practice is just another way of getting stronger. At least that is what my piano teacher told me.
@@northshores7319 LMFAO, My piano teacher said the exact same thing!!!!
@@fortressalaska9822 It's a conspiracy!!
Tried 'em all.
.40 is my Go To.
I get great groups and I like the feel of all the semi-auto .40s that I have used.
Which firearm do you prefer for your 40?
I am an assumed 180gr .40"S&W paired to a Glock 23 fan boy. It has been my EDC since 1990 and to this day; and there's not a thing a would change to that... it's the gun I've shot the most and therefore the best. The one I trust the most too. So yeah...
I shoot the P229 and P226 the best, so that is my choice for carry in 40 or 357 Sig
@@fortressalaska9822 Yeah. Great choices too... Cheers!
It's a fine combination.
i love .40 s&w, it is my favorite cartridge caliber and the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though! between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
I will have to try them, I am open to trying different calibers and bullet weights
I used to carry 155 hydra shoes in my glock23
@@brianc9374 i don't like hydra skok, i like hst and punch.....hornady critical defense & duty(this is a perfect round but doesn't have enough "umph", ie; speed)....speer gold dot.....winchester ranger-t series, supreme elite, defender, silvertip....underwood, corbon, buffalo bore and doubletap.....remington golden saber & ultimate defense......black hills ammo.....grizzly ammo......and others that are acceptable are fiocchi and sellier & bellot and sig sauer elite v-crown...some lower tier brands that are also ok and ride the line of acceptable, at least for target practice recreation are blazer ammo and pmc ammo
@@ethanmac639 depends on caliber. The .45 230 and .40 155 seem to shoot well in 1911 and glock23.
My number one choice for .45 is 230 golden Saber for 1911
I'm using Hornady critical defense 185 for my glock 30
I don't have the glock 23 anymore
@@ethanmac639 gold dots in .45 acp are great. Never shot emnin .40 though. My buddy swears by corbon.
You are very correct with the statement about 9mm and 40sw having similar pressures but the problem that many Gun Manufactures Which includes GLOCK they used the same Recoil Spring in the Glock 17 9mm and Glock 22 40sw in Gen 2-3 then in Gen 4 a new Recoil Spring Unit came out for the Gen 4 Glock 22/31 40sw/357sig the same mind policy continues with the Gen 5 pistols having their own Recoil Springs. At one time Glock was using a 17 LBS Recoil Spring for 9mm, 40sw, 45acp and 10mm Auto which made allot of shooters that did not have prior experience have more recoil that they should have but that was an easy fix with a 20LBS Recoil Spring for 40sw and 22LBS Spring for 45acp and 24LBS for 10mm Auto.
I have a Gen 3 Glock 22 that I purchased brand new on Sept 2004 and I have put over 40K rounds thru that pistol. I used it as my Competition and CWP carry pistol and It has been ULTRA RELIABLE pistol for many years in 2015 I retire it when I got a Gen 4 Glock 22 and I re-build a RFT2 Glock 22 with Custom Slide and Match barrel and later put a Holosun 507c. I have purchased the Gen 5 G22 MOS and put a 507c 2.0 Green back in Oct 2021 that has been working great and I been using for some Competitions since my eyes are not what they used to be and the 507 is a nice Optic but I am replacing it with the SCS MOS because that what I have on the Gen 5 G20 and G21.
Great information from firsthand experience.
I had a 357sig in a G32 when they first came out.. could hit a 4" plate offhand at 100 yds, but it really sucked to shoot.. traded in on the 40 m&p.. also, The 357sig is more a 9mm mag, if you will..
I agree, the 357 sig really is a 9mm magnum, it is a .355 bullet not a .357 bullet, the name is marketing.
I carried a 40S&W for 20 years. It was a snappy round as you lost mass in the magazine. Last shot all you had was a plastic handle to hold onto. Learned a lot about managing a plastic gun. Switched to a browning and what a difference! I still prefer a 45, it just works. Yup you are short rounds in the pistol over a wonder 9. I think the powder charge has advanced in both cartridges, so performance is comparable. I'm just miffed we are stuck with 10mm loaded to FBI Lite / 40S&W power. Chamber pressure is king, just ask SpaceX (raptor 3). I would dearly love to see a return of the 9x23 at 65k psi.
.357 SIG is a necked down 10mm! The cartridge length is the same as the .40 S&W.
Yes, I misspoke, as the 357 case is longer then the 40 case, it is a necked down and cut 10 mm case
The original .40 S&W caused problems for early guns based on the 9MM. Most of this was how the striker wiped the primer of the round. When Ruger came out with the 80 series gun to fire it, it was the first gun to have major success with the cartridge. After that everyone caught up and the .40 is my top pick for a defense gun. The only problem is finding ammo for the .40.
Interesting
Even the HI point 40 cal is amazing and fun to shoot.
hi Points generally work
Waiting on the parts for a .40 S&W AR platform rifle I ordered to get here. Should have the upper on Friday. Need to call the local gun shop and see if they have an update on the complete lower I'd ordered from their website.
Sounds like a great build, I do not think I have ever seen a .40 S&W AR
I love it when 9mm fans refer to the .40 as “short and weak.”
How quickly they forget that the .40 evolved from the shortcomings ( real or imagined) of their 9mm and .38 special.
Today’s marketing catch phrase is “bullet technology.” As if gains in terminal performance due to design won’t carry from one caliber to another…
I like the.40 S&W for all the reasons that made it popular when it hit the market.
Sad that it is getting harder and harder to find new guns in .40 or .357 Sig
.357 SIG was designed and is capable of defeating some body armor. The others may beat up the meat and bones inside, but a bullet bouncing around inside is a bonus. I shoot .40S&W, 9MM and .357SIG. I have many friends that shoot 9mm pistol and PCC and brass is easy to find, so I stack that DEEP. I keep .40S&W because I own a G22 a brick of a handgun and it works, even with a 9mm adapter barrel. But my .357Sig is my favored HG because of the fireball, and hitting power vs the other 2 rounds.
I really love the 357 Sig, so sad they are hard to find.
The new bullet technology is not limited to 9mm, it is available in 40, 45, etc.
Exactly. so any improvements in 9 mm, means there is improvements in the 40, keeping the 40 the superior cartridge to the 9
I've seen a few 40s&w pistols blow up. Mostly what is happening is they are being over crimped when reloaded. Especially when using the carbide factory crimp die from Lee Precision. I noticed the 40 is difficult to feel the seating die doing the taper crimp on the case. The carbide factory crimp die is also hard to feel the subtle taper crimp and people have a tendency to keep turning the screw down until they feel the resistance. I find this especially with plated bullets. I pulled a number of bullets from overcrimped rounds and found the plated bullets were squashed down so much that they will drop to the bottom of an empty sized case with almost no contact on the brass at all. They measured .395 on average from the original .401 out of the box. That is likely why there is high pressure damage on 40 S&W chambers.
Once again, it is not the fault of a properly manufactured gun, some gun companies rushed the 40's out, not the fault of the caliber
Actually, the 357 SIG is also a derivative of the 10mm: 40 S&W cases are too short. Cheers!
P.S. With an M&P one can easily switch between 40 S&W and 357 SIG with only a barrel (and ammo!) change, as you describe: a 9mm conversion barrel and some 9mm magazines gives you three guns in one!
Yes, I am aware. I have not tried the 9mm conversions, but maybe I will one day
as an LEO back in '97, my agency had an OIS where 9mm didn't do the job, we switched to .40 Glock 22's, a few months later we had another OIS, guy firing from behind a truck, he was hard to get to the way the truck was parked without exposing yourself, another officer laid on the ground and had a clear lower extremity shot. The gun fight ended with 4 rounds of .40 in the ankles/lower legs. I've carried that G-22 for almost 30 years now.
I believe the SAAMI spec for the 357 magnum is 35,000 psi. That would make it the same as 9mm and 40 S&W. Your right, so much for “high pressure “.
The pressure a cartridge develops is not directly, but only partially, related to the power of the projectile. The .357 Sig needs to operate a high pressure in order to get the power of the projectile close to a 357 magnum while using a case that is substantially smaller in size.
@@fortressalaska9822 Your right sir. The SAAMI specs for the 357 Sig is 38,500 psi to 40,000 psi. That is substantial more pressure that the others. When the cartridge first came out it was toward the upper end of pressure. Now, cartridge manufacturers seem to have settled at about 1350 fps which is less than the original cartridge was designed for. Probably out of safety concerns. Great video sir.
Nice breakdown. Never understood 40hate. Compact in 9, and full size 40 and the 10mm for bear loads here in Idaho. 40 just appears to make more bullets do what their supposed to do, I like that. Thx for the vid!
Thanks, I grow so tired of everything in 9mm
Excellent review !! Thank you
Thanks, I try. I am still learning and improving
@Fortress Alaska after your 1st shot don't let your finger go all the way forward off the trigger. Use 'Trigger Reset', hold trigger to the rear after 1st shot and gently let it forward until you feel and hear click then shoot again from there. Makes your trigger pull shorter and will make you more accurate. Practice dry firing racking the slide and squeezing the trigger until you are comfortable. Helps me when shooting 40 cal. Should be plenty of vids on UA-cam about it.Great video!
You are very correct. My problem is too many years on revolvers. Hard to break the habit and retrain muscle memory. But I try.
Ppl act like nobody improved the .40 ammo over time as well 😅
Exactly, the manufacturers may do 9mm first, but they follow on with .40 right away.
this was very interesting and informative. 5 stars. would watch again!!
40 s&w ain’t the best at anything but it’s very good at everything. This is the reason why it will last the test of time.
I agree
Enjoyed your video. I’m a fairly new shooter starting in 2020 and starting with the 9mm. However, over time I’ve progressed to larger calibers. I did so because I just thought it was the way to go but over time I’ve come to enjoy shooting larger calibers especially 45ACP because I like 1911s.
Recently I’ve been shooting my P320 Compact in .40 and 357 Sig and I like the feel and response with both calibers.
I don’t own a 10mm yet but I’m inching in that direction. Early on I purchased a M&P .40 Compact 4” and didn’t like it now after learning to handle higher calibers I think it’s one of the finest handguns I own and enjoy shooters it. I just ordered a holster for it so it will go into my rotation.
I will say for me the .45 ACP taught me how to handle higher calibers. It’s a slower round with enough recoil to teach proper grip and techniques necessary for higher calibers. One man’s opinion and admitted limited exposure and experience.
Anyway useful video thanks for posting
All calibers have their strengths and weakness, I am happy to read you did not fall into the one size fits all mentality of the radical 9mm crowd. I would suggest trying a revlover, .357 Magnum is a good starting one as you can use .38 special which has much less recoil. I will have videos on the 10 mm coming up later in spring.
@@fortressalaska9822 😂 interesting that you should mention that I also purchased a Kimber K6s DA/SA 2” which indeed was a bit hot for me as a beginner. However, after changing their factory grips for that pistol to their “Combat” grips for the same pistol I’ve been able to handle it now even with .357 loads. Also, fairly recently I purchased a Colt Python 🐍 4” that I’m really appreciating. I tried changing the grips because they’re a bit slippery but still reasonable to handle but in the end I’ve gone back to the stock grips because I have larger hands and although the stock grips are slippery I can handle the wide width of the stock ones best but I’m still searching.
I think you’re absolutely right. And thanks for your feedback.
Very interesting. I have a SW99 40 cal. (In Colorado) I bought it a long time ago because I liked the way it fit my hand. I was thinking of selling it but after this video, it will make a nice addition here. :-) Thank you
That gun is a keeper. If you ever do want to sell it, let me know. But honestly, it would be a great gun for when you run into town or do other long drives.
Keep that pistol!! It’s a well made, durable, and reliable piece. No need to get rid of it. You’ll be sorry. Smith and Walther did a great job on that gun!! Stay safe out there.
@@GLOCKCOPG23 I am keeping it for sure! I love the way it fits my hands and the recoil is manageable for me. I also just bought the Smith and Wesson MP 10MM. Nice pistol! 😁Thank you!
@@AloneinRemoteAlaska Glad to hear that great pistol will keep it’s home. M&P 10mm is a sweet pistol. I love the M&P. Have fun with those gems.
@@GLOCKCOPG23 Oh I certainly will! 😉And thank you! 😁
Great video, I've been around guns for a very long time but I learned some interesting things from your video.
NO NO NO…. The .357Sig is NOT a necked down .40. It’s a CUT (but still longer than 40) 10mm and then necked down to .357Sig. Google it. Countless people believe the .357Sig came from a 40 casing and that’s incorrect. The 40, if necked down, would be too SHORT for a .357Sig. Again, Google it and educate yourself.
Yes, I know I misspoke. Trust me it is one of my pet peeves, But I am too lazy to edit the video.
@@fortressalaska9822 Hahaha, no worries. It’s a very common mistake actually. I too once believed otherwise until I learned how the .357Sig came to fruition. It’s kind of logical to think it came out of a .40 S&W case.
Check the testing of the Buffalo Bore 40 cal 155+P HP. The penetration is very close to the 10mm.
Will do if I can ever find any in my local stores
You, sir, are the first person on UA-cam I have heard correctly state and explain the "high pressure" fallacy. I heard anti-intellectual, Ed Hardy-wearing asshats crow for years about how the "high-pressure" .40 and .357 Sig tore guns apart, while simultaneously carrying and praising to the heavens 9mm pistols with +P+ ammo. The problem was always recoil momentum and slide velocity. Originally, most manufacturers (Glock in the Gen 3 pistols, for example), used the exact same spring for 9mm, 40, .357, and .45 GAP. This was the problem; same reciprocating weight and same spring with more momentum overpowers the system. The .45 GAP improved this by the heavier slide which absorbed more of the reciprocating momentum, but once the Gen 4 was introduced with the improved locking block and heavier spring for the .40, .357, and .45 GAP, the Glocks in those calibers would last just as long as a 9mm (and longer, if the 9mm were fed +P and +P+ ammo).
That silly argument against the .40 (it was also leveled against my beloved .357 Sig) is just as ridiculous as if manufacturers were to take a handgun design in .380, retain the same slide mass and spring, and chamber it in 9mm. This would give the 9mm the reputation of tearing guns apart, but it still wouldn't be due to the higher pressure!
Yes, Glock Perfection at its finest, build a gun not suitable for the caliber it fires!
Great video. My main carry gun also comes in 40 S&W, but I ended up going with the 9mm version because it was on sale.
I like 357SIG and hope it makes a comeback one day. Realistically, I believe it will fade away to obscurity.
I hope not, but all my 357 sig guns also have 40 S&W barrels
A Glock 35 with a 9mm conversion barrel like lone wolf that drops in on. a field strip gives you two calibres in one gun and works perfectly . The Glock 40sw magazines will aslo feed 9mm ammo flawlessly also . Not the other way though as the 40 ammo wont fit 9mm mags . I assume the same would work on a Glock 22 as well . You can also use 9mm mags in a G35 frame as they are the same size .
Always an option
.40 S&W is a great round!
One of the best
Speaking of a barrel swap to change the .40 S&W to a .357 Sig I believe doing so would add a little weight to the total weight of the firearm because of the different thickness of the barrel. That could possibly be equaled out because of the lighter bullets the Sig would use. ???
The 10mm is the parent case to the 357sig .
Yes, I know, I misspoke
In 2010 I bought a S&W M&P Compact in 357SIG with factory night sights and three 10 round mags. In time I bought a .40 S&W barrel and two 15 round mags. Then I got a 9mm barrel, three 12 round and two 17 round 9mm mags. All in all it's a versatile rig and fun to shoot.
40 and 9 operate at the same pressure? Then why do people claim the 40 is "snappier"? Myself, I feel the M&P 40 and M&P 9 compacts shoot pretty much the same. Exact same size frame and slide and very little difference in how they feel when shooting.
Because too many people do not do their own research. Or do not understand physics.
Because too many people listen to James Yeager and the stupid stuff he says.
more energy going out means more recoil coming back. gun design and springs can mitigate most of it but not all
You have a slightly greater surface area for the 40. The same pressure applied to a greater area gives greater force.
Easy, Cause heavier larger pills firing at the same pressure causes more recoil.
Looking at the spec's, the 40 S&W, it is slightly less powerful than a 44 Henry rimfire. The 40 S&W however generates more than double the pressure than the 44 Henry but that's the difference between black powder and smokeless powder.
The main reason the .40 was adapted from the ten was over penetration. The .40 would dump all of it’s energy into the target and not go thru the house! The standard load was 180 grns at less than a 1000 fps. For penetration one could use 165 grn bullets at greater than 1000 fps.
I do the same. I prefer 357Sig but practice with 40SW.
I just wish it was not so hard to find new guns in 357 Sig
I have some nasty 357 ammo but it is hard to turn my back on Ranger T's in 40. They're just vicious.
@FORTRESS ALASKA who makes new 357sigs other than Glock, I was told Sig no longer makes 357sig.
The shootings in my areas where this round was involved were all one shot stops. 9mm has not been shabby either with the newer hollowpoints out today.
I can understand, but I will always go with the better option for me
I love my 40 more knock down power and more energy behind that round. I love that round
Great all around round
@@fortressalaska9822 yes sir 💪💪💪
One correction, the 357sig is made from shortened and bottle necked 10mm brass, not 40SW. It would be too short if made from necked down 40 brass. Both are made from 10mm brass shortened.
Yes, I misspoke and was too lazy to edit the video
@@fortressalaska9822 no biggie, carry on.
Pauls video is great 👍
He is one of the very best
@@fortressalaska9822 Agree 👍
I believe the .357sig case is based of the 10mm case not the .40S&W. 10mm balistics are beyond the .357mag and are close to but to quite .41mag.
you are correct, I misspoke and am too lazy to correct the video
i love .40 s&w
it is the ideal cartridge caliber!
but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
All my 40's also use 357 Sig, so I switch between both. I need to try the 155 grain stuff
@@fortressalaska9822 Buffalo Bore, Underwood Ammo, Double Tap Ammo and Corbin Ammo 155gr
I cast boolits and reload for it. I found it to be a good round for reloading and target shooting cast boolits. It is just as cheap to cast and reload for 40 as it is 9, in my experience. But it is a lot easier to work with than 9mm and .380. 45 is the easiest to work with for reloading for semi-auto pistols, and pretty forgiving. Since we are limited to 10 rounds here in Oregon now for CCW, I switched from 357 Sig to 45 +P for my carry gun. 357 Sig is the most difficult round to reload, as you have to resize with the 40 die first, then size the shoulders with the 357 Sig die... you have to add an extra die to the process. And flaring and crimping the case mouth is a pain because you have to find the sweet spot to hold the neck tension just right, and also have enough crimp to catch the chamber. 357 Sig can headspace on the case mouth or the shoulder depending on the barrel manufacturer. Some, like Sig's, its both. Glocks its the case mouth (their chambers are a bit "sloppy" on purpose so they feed reliably different ammo manufacture). Lone Wolf aftermarket barrels its the shoulder. 357 Sig's parent case is the 10mm, not the 40 S&W. If you form a 40 S&W into a 357 Sig, the case will be roughly 0.01" shorter - which never stopped me from doing it for target loads - they run just fine.
I never got into casting bullets, but I do reload. Yes, I misspoke about the 357 Sig, just too lazy to fix my video
I like my CZ 75B 40 a lot. I keep it full of 180gr ammo. Yes a bit more snap but it does everything I could ask for. Whether jacketed or my hard cast it is a stopper in all my needs.
I love the CZ 75, I have a video the CZ 75 B Omega, a fantastic gun
@@fortressalaska9822 forgot to say, the forty is a brass slinging son of a gun and very rarely if ever do you have a fte
I love the 40 S&W its my EDC, I have a G23 and a PT101AF (Taurus 40 cal) I usually carry the Taurus, but sometimes I carry the Glock, I love them both, because they are both 40 cal
Great options
I love .357 Sig, way better than .40 S&W. The parent case for .357 Sig is the 10mm with a small pistol primer. The .40 case is too short for necking down to .357 Sig and results in a COAL that is not long enough
Yes, I did mean to say it is a shortened and neck down 10 mm, did a face plant when I watched it.
all depends on how it is loaded. most 357s rounds are close to max power whereas 40 has been downloaded substantially. they are very similar with comparable bullet weights. the 357s does shoot flatter because it's a lighter bullet, but at defense distances that matters nothing
10mm is parent case for .40
The best 357 is the 357MAG Peroid.
The original Norma 10mm used large pistol primers. The 40 S&W uses small pistol primers. Now some 10mm cases use small pistol prime because of commonality with the .40 S&W.
40sw balances power, capacity, and effectiveness better than most. The problem with 40sw is not the cartridge. It was stuffed into a lot of pistols not designed for it. In something like an HK Vp40 it works very well.
9mm +p and 9mm +p+ have 38,500psi and 42,000psi, as in much higher than .40 s&w, yet the 9mm fanboys say the .40 s&w is high pressure😳🤤🤣🤪
And they say it is snappy, how about they learn to handle a real gun.
@@fortressalaska9822 exactly, and what is funny is that 9mm is the same pressure, regular 9mm ammo is 35,000psi, exact same as .40 s&w, which they call "high pressure", and 9mm +p and 9mm +p+ are 38,500psi and 42,000psi, much more than .40 s&w, so more wear/tear, recoil, less accuracy, especially for follow up shots and fast follow up shots, higher muzzle rise/flip etc etc etc , everything they accuse the .40 s&w of, and the handguns built for the .40 s&w are stronger than 9mm handguns not designed for the +p ammo, and that means that the 9mm is all those bad things plus less durable handguns with less power....i still don't understand the 9mm obsession, especially with all that info
Good stuff bud I just got a 40 in S&W pro series 2.0 4.25 inch barrel haven’t shot yet but I’m going to get some practice
More to come on 40 and 357 Sig
i love the 40 s&w, it is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though! between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr bullet weight being ideal
I will have to try the lighter weight bullets.
Largely myth, you can shoot 200gr all day from a .40 if you want, some like to even. You don't see many 200gr options in .40 but handloaders do use them. The 180gr is fine in .40, a bit softer shooting than 165gr.
@@SDGlock23 ability to and ideal are not the same....thx tips
The 40 is probably the ultimate semiauto pistol round. It’s got a good balance of power, control ability and capacity. I find the 155 to 165 grain bullets are the sweet spot with regard to velocity, energy and penetration. The 357 Sig is really a great option to the 40 if recoil is a problem.
Great presentation 👍
180grn too heavy? How? It was literally intended for that load.
Is 147 grn in 9mm too heavy?
A 165grn is basically equivalent to a 124grn in 9mm in terms of velocity and sectional density.
A 180grn is equal to a 147grn in terms of velocity and sectional density.
A 180grn .40 is the same sectional density as a 230grn 45acp and 9mm 147grn but moving faster with more energy than both. It Carries more mass and therefore has more barrier and bone crushing penetration capability .
165 grn is much more snappy recoil. Please tell me how “180 was always too heavy for the .40 s&w”…
Great video thank you. I know the majority of people want to see cool guns on videos and ammo vids don’t do quite as well so thank you for doing this. For Carrie I prefer 40 smith and Wesson but I don’t hate at nine.
Thank you, I try not to be like everyone else.
Manufacturers did the same to the 357 sig that they did to the 10mm by loading it down. Underwood's 125 Gr 357 sig has been chronograph at over 1500 fps.,
TY Dave,just subscribed cause this was a great video maybe next one u can show the recoil on all them cartridges or just a side view of you guys shooting them if same length guns.
Will do, Good idea to have side by side comparisons.
I have a beretta px4 compact in 40sw and understand some company, somewhere makes a 357 barrel for it. Does anyone know where they can be purchased? Thx
You just have to do internet searches, I have seen them in the past, but do not recall who made them.
Man I wish the gun manufacturers would make more 40s&w !!!! Like a Glock 43x size or shield plus
YES YES YES YES YES YES
I have never heard ANYONE say .40's break handguns???
There are a few that claim it, some very famous, but I will not speak ill of the dead.
ahhh, ok?@@fortressalaska9822
I have a Glock 23 as my carry weapon. I switched it from .40 s & w to .357 sig. barrel change only. I did so because I am much more accurate with the .357 sig. no idea why. I am 72 and been shooting for a long time, not recoil sensitive etc.
I will have to see which I am more accurate with, wonder if it is just the barrel?
@@fortressalaska9822 could be. Both barrels have been properly cleaned but not overly cleaned. Shiny w/ good care.
I had problems with the .40 also despite plenty of practice and being taught and critiqued. I couldn't hit very well, until I switched to a full size 9mm. But it was a Taurus Millennium G2C PT40G2C, a compact. I believe if it were in full size, I would have done a lot better. I can shoot a .45 ACP and .357 mag and .38 spl very well.
I can't argue with anything here. What you didn't mention are the stats on one-shot stops. The forty is at 96% because of the huge energy dump on impact with the right bullet.
Good to know, I never thought to look that up and report on it.
The only thing I ever heard on any of those cartridges was the cracked frame issue that Colt had with the 10 mm Delta Elite. As was stated in the video this was a Colt issue and not a 10 mm issue.
Exactly right
I wonder how the recoil would be in one of the new lower barrel bore guns . Not sure what the real name is for those guns ?
Should not be snappy but a push back .
For the average shooter, no difference
I was shocked to learn years ago that the 124gr 9mm NATO generates more pressure (36,500-38,000 psi) than a .40 S&W (35,000 psi). But it’s true as stated in the video.
Yes, there is a difference between 9mm NATO and the US loading of 9mm Luger. More like a plus P.
I have a LE trade in G22 Gen 4. Lightly used by the looks of it. had run a few magazines through it before taking to a speed steel match. All I use is factory ammo and prefer 180 gr. Unknown reason but broke a trigger pin in the first stage of the match. A friend of mine who was there and had parts took it home and tore it down to check it out. Must have been a bad pin from the factory. But now wondering about the recoil spring and will check that out. Thank's for your input on the 40 cal.
Recoil springs are like oil, change them every 5000 rounds, more often to extend the life the parts
Sometimes the heat treatment on those pins go awry.. they are first hardened then tempered . If they aren't hard enough, they bend. If they too hard , they crack and break... It happens.. I would be shocked if you ever had another issue
And he gave you excellent advice on the recoil spring.. if you really wanted to do it right , you could just order a Glock OEM , frame.parts kit , and run completely thru it .. they aren't expensive at all, and it's a small price to pay for peace if mind
@@thealarmclock9307 It's been to a friend who was a Glock armorer and checked out. So all good and ready for next match.
I like .40 in 1911s. Light loads with 140 or 155 grain bullets are pleasant to shoot.
Got to love the 1911
I carry .40 in the winter , critical duty in a gen5 g22 mos...I've carried .40 for 9 years , and came right back after 9mm
My caliber changes on where I am going and the time of year. Sometimes all i can carry is a pocket gun, most times I carry full size
The only way that the 9mm beats the .40 is in costs.
With much greater production volume there is the Economy of Scale. Secondly, related to the first is that it takes less time, expense, and effort to “qualify” a new Recruit with a 9mm. Given the turnover rate and DEI recruit its millions of dollars in savings. The 9mm has been improved significantly and is deemed “adequate” , therefore it’s the new standard.
The S&W 5906 and 4006 have always been easy for me to shoot well, therefore I have a 4006 next to me at night. My other 40 is a Springfield XDM 5.25 with a Holosun, which I use for deer hunting small does for the freezer. I reload my 40`s with Redding dies and HS-6 powder.
Great guns, always wanted a 5906
@fortressalaska9822 I had a 3906 also. Probably the most accurate of the series.
I pick up a s&w 411 at a gun show mint for 275 Wasn't in the market BUTTT couldn't pass on it. It shoots great.
Most .40 cal pistols are manageable by a change in recoil spring rate. A little research to the brand owned will help an owner's decision...
Very true
I added a ghost rocket trigger reset bar to my SR40 3.5 lbs. and a stainless steel rod with a 22 lbs. recoil spring awesome gun my opinion!
Never tried one, how much improvement did you get?