We Are But Beasts (with Aron Ra)
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- Опубліковано 19 гру 2021
- Aron Ra is an author, educator, and atheist activist. He joins Seth Andrews to talk about pagan Christmas, religious awfulness, and humans' place as "beasts" in the animal kingdom. Shows with Aron are always entertaining, and this one is no exception.
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I know I personally have no regrets getting off the religious plantation.
Amen!! Parden the punn.
All religion is an ancester of ancient sumariam and mesopotamian mythology.
I meant a desendent.sumerian and mesopotamians are the ancesters.sorry i got that backwords!
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I can honestly say my life is so much less stressful since my wife and I gave religion the boot out of our lives. Very hard to leave because of the depth of involvement in church activities I was into. BTW, that church was the Salvation Army, a group that really practices what they preach!
Except that they don't. The Salvation Army relies on abusing the good will of the many innocent workers who volunteer for them, but it is one of the Salvation Army's core driving principles to make sure that any work against poverty is never successful, the poor are to remain poor so that they will be easier to convert to Christianity. You don't hear about how much money the Salvation Army receives in donations versus how much they spend on providing aid. The difference is enormous, and the folks at the top either pocket the money or spend it toward legal battles to ensure that the law keeps people poor. A lot of genuine charity organizations will not receive donations, because donors prefer to give to the Salvation Army, believing it to be larger and stronger of a charity. And a lot of the people working in those genuine charity organizations are not able to reach out to all of the people who need their help, because they aren't well known and they don't have the community trust that Salvation Army has. This monstrous false charity is doing the exact opposite of what they preach.
Same
@@TheReaverOfDarkness Also, the SA uses donations meant for charity to support groups calling for overthrowing the US government in favor of a theocracy.
@Ben Avery CofE is mostly middle class types who are often very cold towards others. I don't think that I've ever met a warm and welcoming one in my life.
A former coworker and friend said he used to be an ‘Officer’ in the Salvation Army and made tons of money. He left because he said his conscience bothered him!
Two of the nicest people on earth are making a podcast, who wants to miss out listening to it?
Certainly not me.
Catholics like Biden.
Then there's Kwanzaa started in1966. It's a good alternative to Christmas. And it does put emphasis on celebrating the Harvest.
Thx. Was unaware of its' birth, near 20 years later, when I was introduced to it.
ARON RA FOR PRESIDENT!!! RA 2028!! One of the best and most effective Science Communicators out there. And its about time we get a really good communicator coming from the Life Sciences, besides one of my personal heros, Sir David Attenborough.
Thank you Seth for the awesome winter solstice gift, of having this conversation with Aron Ra! Both of you are among my favorite Atheists of all time! I cannot easily put any one above the other though, because you all are so different, but also immensely important to spreading skepticism, humanism, and reason! So thanks a million, and please keep it up bro's!
Odin is my favorite god too. The reason is that he is probably only god that is no affraid to sacrifice something in order to learn.
@Eastern fence Lizard If I was given choice I would prefer Sessrumnir. SKAL
Always a pleasure to listen to Aran .. and what a better way than with Seth and his clear way of critical thinking. Great podcast..thanks for sharing.
You two are great. Thank you for all your hard work.
Thinking Atheist, Seth and Aron, Devilish Duo?of the great Trinity! Love you guys. I do love so many of the UA-cam community! 👍💝🥰✌
I am currently a believer but based only on feelings and not hard facts. My beautiful amazing son is a non - theist. I have no worries about him being judged by God, if God does indeed exist. My son is the most honest compassionate generous person and I am honored to know him let alone be his mother. A god who would send him to hell for simply being honest enough to admit to himself and others he does not believe is no god at all. I already question religion and listen to these podcasts in search of answers. I also admire the honesty of atheists, they they don't lie! They back up their statements with hard facts. I appreciate Seth and Aron Ra for their integrity. And I must repeat, the best person I know (my son) is an atheist and I am PROUD to be the mom of a non-believer!
I thank the multiverse everyday that I am anti-theist/humanist and not a Lemming and that i have the aptitude and intellect to “get it” and see the true nature of reality very clearly, as it really is.
Very open-hearted and informative as usual.
When I was in high school here in Canada, we learned for example about Louis Riel, a famous Metis leader who led his people in resistance to the early Canadian government. This was about 15 years ago. It's not that Canada is particularly progressive when it comes to teaching history, it's that the U.S. is so ridiculously far behind.
Riel was hanged for treason. It is only in the last few years he is recognized as a founding father of Canada.
Among other underhanded recent actions, Arkansas just notified schools for 2023-24 SY "not to offer 'AP African American Studies' stating that within the state school system no credit will be given" for it!😞 While I have no kids in the system, it saddens and angers me they are deleting facts and truth from history books. Thank you both for doing your best to spread truth & knowledge.🤗💗
So I'm doing a lot of local history research. Part of it is the local cemetery's records. Our city was officially created in 1884. I've looked through the cemetery records year by year out of curiosity, and have noticed that LOTS of children died in the years between 1884 and say 1930. 100 years ago survival was NOT EASY.
100 years ago transportation was harder. There were a lot more little tiny towns and communities; people were more spread out as a whole. People still stuck to their local areas for the most part and didn't travel as far or as often. But there was a lot more community than it seems like there are now. You actually had to play nice and get along to get anywhere; people would just shun you otherwise. If you did something like piss off the local craftsmen, they would not help you anymore. You wouldn't live long without being nice to your neighbors.
To me the whole theme of christmas should be helping those in need and appreciating the love of family and friends.Right now the homeless need us to be there for them.Anything would be great if they have nothing.
Your city was spoken into existence out of nothing?!?
@@WilbertLek AND ON THE THIRD DAY OF HIS TRAVELS, TRIALS, AND TRIBULATIONS, THE LORD SAYETH: "This is a good spot for a bar."
@Ben Avery I'm interested in what kind of questions you asked. Is there somewhere i can read about it or watch it?
My atheism came about by reading the KJV in my Catholic high school. And it's funny music, XTC'x Dear God is interesting. Plus of course books there's The Long Dark Tea Time of the Soul by Douglas Adams. In it the old gods like Odin and Thor are still walking around. But the book makes the point we created those gods and discarded them.
I always point out to Christian right wingers who piss and moan about "cancel culture" that Christian's were threatening radio stations that played XTC's song Dear God. It was a song that could be interpreted as atheistic and Christian's, particularly American Christian's lost their minds and threatened violence if the radio stations played it. Christian's were cancelling way before it was a thing.
Okay great pleasure and saying happy holiday to people because I know that Christmas is not the only holiday in December.
I was raised catholic. How odd that we were taught to revere the bible, but not read it. The only bible we knew was a reading from a gospel during mass. And they were always the same ones rotated. I didn't believe because I wanted to, but was forced to by threat of eternal torture. What a horrible thing to do to a child. I finally figured it was all a crock of shit.
When I was in the Navy I wanted my religious preference to be agnostic, but wasn't available (it is now). I refused to be labelled atheist. I chose 'no preference'. Our command chaplain, a great person, argued that I was an atheist. Why? Do I believe in a god? I don't know if there is one. Then I don't actually believe in one, so I'm an atheist and an agnostic. He wins! I was the "senior atheist" in our command, though none of us knew who the others were.
may I asked why you don't like the word atheist
@@eddierice3254 That was then. I viewed "atheist" as too radical. Now I know it for what it is. It's actually very innocuous, except to radical theists. There are those who believe in astrology or other non-theist religions who are technically atheists. One should identify as a humanist or secularist, or whatever. Atheist is basically just a classification outside of the circle of theism. Also, I find the term "atheism" to be useless. There is no "-sim" in not believing in any gods. My former chaplain won the discussion.
Daniel "made me talk like an idiot" was one of my favorites also.
Seth. I discovered you through the "Xianity made me talk like....." I still re-watch it too. LOL
Aaronra I discovered you from the text book debate. Thank you for that!
Great content.
I always love listening to the religious right and their views on government.
I always love listening to the atheist and their views on government.
Its great to live in a free enough country that these views can be expressed and pursued.
When people become silent with their views... That's the time to stand up and notice something is wrong.
well, we still have that for now. Both sides are not in favor of maintaining this Democratic Republic, though.
Only one side wants democracy (beneath the "leadership" of our wealthiest citizens) with equal opportunity for all regardless of sex/gender/coloring/ancestry/occupation/etc (but money still counts of course). The other wants freedom and opportunity for themselves including the "opportunity" to dictate every detail of life for the rest of us.
Lying should be punished with DEATH!!
I’m such a child! I read that title as “ we are BUTT beasts” and laughed way too hard at it!
I remember Tom Lehrer's tune - National Brotherhood Week. Some lyrics are "Well, the Protestants hate the Catholics and the Catholics hate the Protestants, the Hindus hate the Muslims and . . . Everybody hates the Jews." You can find the song on YT. It's a trip.
Going to my hometown for holidays- "the land b4 time"... 1st vid downloading for trip. Some sanity to start what will be bat$ht crazy 60's mentality peeps- thank you guys ahead of time.
Very good episode/interview with Aron Ra. Interesting Aron mentioned his love of Imperial Stout which is also my favourite. Unfortunately can no long find it here in Toronto. But if you or Aron are interested, it comes from a brewery in Yorkshire England called Samual Smith. Two varieties, Imperial and Oatmeal, both delicious . Thanks again Seth for what you do. Cheers and stay safe. Dan. ✌️🇨🇦
Hey guys, thanks so much. Lovely to meet you in Austin. Still looking for a good atheist song! Your friendly magically animated mud golem.
I got a UA-cam ad before this video advertising a Creationist educator training program to female educators. I am a female ex-Catholic public school teacher. UA-cam algorithm messed up.
Really enjoyed the conversation!
Seth and Aron!!! The only thing missing is Matt!
I miss Tracy
@@toneystevens5023 where’d she go?
@@toneystevens5023 Tracy and the other one. I forget her name because she's really underrated, but she often defeat arguments with very few words and no offense. It seems that the more the host talks, the more triggered the callers get.
@@wadeinn463 Not sure what happened.
@@Ascend777 Jen Peeples
I've only ever "left my body", astral projected, in my dreams- I've felt moments I would describe as epiphany, but it's more when I'm faced with the enormity and complexity of the universe itself, or something that takes my breath away and I am in awe for a moment lol but there's a logical explanation for these things and I know that..
I have to Disagree with you on that Ultimately maybe the Human mind is simply incapable of Wrapping itself around how the Universe works
Scotsman,'What's a Hindu?'his pal replied, 'Lays eggs 🥚 '
I cracked up! :)
Delighted to know that!🤣🥳
Rather than filtering money and actions through even the best of "churches" to good causes, doing so direct means the intended recipient/s receive the maximum of your efforts.
My "religion" is curiosity lol and my spirituality is more connected to music of all kinds, as long as it's good- great novels, great movies, and watching the skies at night- and simple but delicious food and beverage..
Hell yeah! Me too!
Art is great that way….being a creative-type, playing music (when it’s hot and the band is cooking) is a transcendent experience, no doubt. Especially when there’s an enthusiastic audience.
Happy Holidays, everyone!
Same thing happened to me with Santa and Jesus. When I found out Santa just was a way for children to be good. I then started thinking the other shoe was going to drop and they will tell me the same of Jesus. Then at 12 I was listening to my cousin play Imagine by John Lennon and I really listened to it and opened my mind a little more. I was then convinced that it was just a book and a bad one at that. It was easier to not believe because I was never taught hell, fire and brimstone in the church. It was all inclusive Jesus and he loved his little children (enough to make them sacrifices). So I did not fear him. By age 19 I never looked back I was a full blown atheist and a good debater so I could hold my own against the religious. I also studied theology and religious theology for a couple years just out of curiosity. I'm retired and needed to pass time so why not. Very good show. ✌️💙
I LOVED… “God Bless these Potatoes!!!” THAT… was ABSOLUTELY FUNNY!!! Thanks for the LAUGH!!!! LOVE IT!!!! Meow… =^..^=
25:38 The other feline goddess Sekmet went on a hissy fit to destroy the whole of humanity for being unfaithful, so... someone thought it would be a good idea to get her intoxicated to cure her malaise, and hey presto it worked a treat and humanity was spared from her blood-letting.
Beats the hell out of the flood story and parting of the nred sea.
Thank you guys for what you do!
I've been a huge Biology fan since my childhood, and when my late Dad, who was religious, asked me if I believed that god made everything, I asked back "Don't you think that if a god started the evolution, such a complicated and wonderful process, it would make him look much cooler than if he simply made us by saying a magic word?" That made him think =D And I would keep and keep sharing everything I learned.
Actually, just imagine this: our lives are nearly pure miracle. Because our ancestors, and their ancestors, and so on -- back to the most simple life forms -- had to survive and leave offspring, which lead to our existence now! If theists were smart, they could call it "divine". I can call it divine, haha. Being a result of million years process, that involves all Life on Earth, is so much more impressive than being mere "chosen people".
Always great when Seth has awesome guests on his podcasts!
PS- Aron looks like the Undertaker the pic above lol 👆👆👆
My first thought was how Ze Frank would read the title, in the style of his animal documentaries:
"We are butt beasts... oh, sorry, but beasts...."
Having been an atheist my whole life, it’s somewhat comforting to know more are coming around as time goes on. I was born into a generic catholic family, had communion, went to catechism but it never sat with me. Even as a kid it always felt like a fairy-tale. I was fortunate that my family were not zealots by any stretch and let us kids grow up and decide for ourselves. I know many are not so fortunate. If people kept their personal religious beliefs to themselves, and organized religions hadn’t become institutionalized behemoths waging war all over the place and imposing their doctrines, the world could have been a better place.
If there is some entity with agency responsible for existence, we as humans are far removed from knowing it, much less understanding it. And that’s ok. Sad that so many can’t accept that.
When I saw the thumbnail I couldn't help but wonder why Serh had former wrestler The Undertaker on as a guest. Then I looked again and realised it was AranRa. Definitely not disappointed 🤗🤗
Oh man I love Aron Ra, his content is so easy to refute it’s crazy! I had to make a playlist because I have so much now! Keep up the good work aron, keep bringing me that easy content! I have a job forever
@@kimhoffmannandersen5477 you must not have seen my playlist hahhaa
@@YoungEarthCreation no credible scientists, or even most christians believe young earth creationism is anything but a fantasy. Even the experts on the book of fantasy, historical fiction , and mythology you call your holy book agree that even the people who wrote it did not mean for it to be taken literally. You base your whole world view and opinion of the origins of existence on a misunderstanding of fantasy.
@@cullenarthur8879 I don’t blame you for your opinion on a subject you know nothing about. Our entire team were not YEC even 3 years ago. It was only after investigating it deep did we change our mind. I recommend you do the same, but only if you really like the science or else you will be very boring. Also it really sucks to have everyone say the same thing you said to me just now day in and day our. So if you want to just go with the flow don’t bother studying it
@@YoungEarthCreation why haven't you shared this earth shattering evidence for a biblical young earth creation with the worlds scientific community and completely rewritten our understanding of reality? Let me guess, there is a cabal of non believing scientists conspiring to silence you and discredit your findings. Let me also guess why. Because they just want to sin. If i had to guess, you already had pre existing religious beliefs and worked to find evidence to support it and dismissed any evidence that contradicted it. I couldn't imagine wasting the one life i have believing in non sense.
Seth, time to record a new intro. Sorry, I just said that so I could (for once) see my comment magically float to the bottom of the page. But really I love Seth and Aron Ra...oh jeez now I ruined it!
Good call CHARLES, super duper stuff guys VEGAS has alot of "blessed" every few vehicles has emblems or a custom plate, people are shallow enuf without this bs. I'm such a fan of the past it's hard to follow the current work & I'm glad I did, thanks guys!
Instead of putting humans in the nativity scene can we please replace them with planet of the apes charactors?!
The anti-vaxers are working on it.
@Alexandria Muse sure why not.zombie mary joseph and jesus.
@Alexandria Muse but the evolution nativity would be more scientific.
Some of us are butt beasts.
Freya had a magic croak made of feathers too 🐸
Columbus doesn't even deserve the day- he didn't discover the new world- again, it's a ridiculous thing smh..
I liked the swear god, how does it go? Old men used it alot, they'd say frustratingly; wul, GODAMIGHTYDAMN iut just so poetic and sacred sounding, go ahead Seth Aron and guests I know ya wanna say it repeat it a few times aloud
GODAMIGHTYDAMN
GODAMIGHTYDAMN
GODAMIGHTYDAMN
MYFAVORITEATHEISTACTIVISTS!!!
Just reading the Bible turned me into an atheist: I mean a TALKING SNAKE in the Garden of Eden?????
Dave Allen nailed this one back in the 1980s (I think):
"And then God goes and hides. And she sneaks up to the tree. And a snake comes down and has a conversation with her.
A snake! Now, if I see a snake, I’ll back off.
If one starts talking, I’ll crap myself!"
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First read it as "We Are 'Butt' Beasts." 😆 🤣
But how do you feel about allies who are not atheists ( Norse Heathen in my case) but support absolute separation of church and state, agree with evolution, women's rights, trans rights, etc?
Any person who believe truly and honestly in freedom of and from religion, separation of church and state is an ally. It does not matter if they are theist, atheist, deist ...
@@HuyVo-gd2cj tell that to many, many atheists.....
If the van's a rockin', don't come a knockin', even in a church parking lot, apparently.
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I loke the idea of the planet of the apes nativity.That would be alot more cool and appeal to those of us how know evolution is true.
I was trying to remember if the pair of you are musical and casting my mind back to the Christian Rock episodes, how about an atheist metal band? Hallelujah Hatheists.
When you were talking about thanking God for helping the doctors, it made me think of Tim Minchin's song Thank you God. The height of white Christian privilege and confirmation bias.
I like the hat
The believers who claim gap-deism is their specific win remind me of a joke from Delta Farce.
With a small army against a single soldier, the leader brags that the soldier doesn’t have enough ammo for everyone. The soldier replies that he has enough for the leader at least.
Gap-deism is too vague to fight, but we don’t have to, because it’s already completely different from what holy books claim.
They lost by showing up to the fight.
The "Senator" is actually _Representative_ Tim Murphy of Pennsylvania (R) who resigned when it became known that he required his mistress to have an abortion when he got her pregnant. He communicated this to her by text no less! =\
36:36 Sound like he was saying "Jizanthapus." Lous CK reference.
I'm a born skeptic, never even believed in Santa. Always thought is was pretend and make believe, like when kids had imaginary friends. Was creaped out when I found out that people took it seriously.
I was born gullible and incredibly naive, and finding out that I am not actually an immortal spirit and will die permanently when my body does, well, I didn't literally curl up into a foetal position like Ted Danson's character in _The Good Place,_ but I definitely wanted to.
Tag team match, Seth and the Undertaker (video thumbnail)!
Aaron's story matches so much that of Naoh Lugeons .... wonder how constantly stoned he was ...
Aron tried weed and didn't like it at all.
@@sundiver137 Maybe, doesn't change the woo part.
Some of those factories that exploits child's labor from 100 years ago reminds me of some modern Amazon's warehouse.
What really bugs me is they don't want to keep looking for explanations- which is ridiculous- that's what drives humans to develop, to grow, to "create"- surely destruction isn't all we can do..
We only had two jobs on this planet according to every religious text. Take care of each other take care of the garden and all things would be given unto you for free. Another memo that never anybody got on the refrigerator. But it's actually in every religious text on planet Earth
We're just simply everything that is energy just like everything in the universe is simply everything that is energy. So if you look at it from the Bible's point of view. We're all immortal before we started this little program
Good on ya. I am a drink snob, period. Beer, coffee, wine, etc.
I clicked this video without reading the title thinking it was the Undertaker on the Thumbnail lol.
12-15% is usually where wine sits at. 12-15% beer is like a double or triple or barleywine or something.
12-15% proof is only 6-7.5% by volume
@@Flum666 I didn't say proof anywhere; but I guess I didn't notice if Aron did. Yeah, 12 proof = 6% abv = normal strongish beer. (We get cider from a localish place that runs around 6% abv.) But there ARE beers that get up to 12% abv and higher.
@@Sauvenil Here in the Netherlands and Belgium we call these beers "Trappist". These were originally brewed in monestaries and such. They go up to 12% abv.
This is a re-post?
They can keep undermining science education. But when the next Sputnik Moment comes along, then what will they do?
I personally knew someone who would talk about god . I would quote Bible verses that would prove him wrong and he would say he doesn’t read the Bible. Yet he called himself an evangelical Christian. It shows how ignorant these people are. I’m so glad I am an apostate.
Odin and Thor is scientifically proven. Heat death of the universe! Ice Giants.
Most families had more children simply because so many children didn't make it to the age of 5- dark times before we had the advances of today, and the standards of living- and it's as if they want us to go back to that by their misuse and pollution of our environment smh.. and this conformity that's being enforced through their condemnation and hatred, while appropriating what they can use or like..
Two Belfast kids,'See you,see me ,see my bror, see my da,see my god,see your god!'
😲 Are the two horsemen colluding against the other horseman?
jk
We are butt beasts.
In his echo chamber even Homer Simpson is a beast
It entertains me that you know what an echo chamber is
I could never figure out why God can't do anything man can do. It boggles my mind
"the big three, uh.. I guess I mean the big 2." -Seth | For the abrahamic faiths you can count it all kinds of gods. I.e. El (early hebraic), Y'hw'h (later hebraic), Father/Son/Holy-ghost(Majority christian count this as three), Allah (Islam), God (Thousands of people who are so either self-styled)
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to go out and find out what the truth is
thank you everyone and thank you Matt for that wonderful introduction I think each of us in the unholy trinity has a different specialty Seth usually promotes humanism and Matt pitches skepticism while I defend science education and though there is some obvious overlap I think all of us have a favorite criticism of religion too whether it is to show how illogical irrational or immoral it is as Seth most often does while Matt typically points out hypocrisy logical fallacies absurdities atrocities inconsistencies and contradictions and my favorite topic is the intellectual dishonesty and injustice of enforcing a belief system demanding that you believe this and not that if you question the accuracy of it that's heresy if you question the truth of it that's apostasy both are AR
really Jesus did not teach this
Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
who does God turn to in those dark moments?
12:30 We still have no unions. We have no left representation. We are still awful, just like 100 years ago.
Surprised Aronra and Seth did not mention Matt Dillahunty's open heart surgery.
Because the conversation was recorded a few weeks ago.
I like stout but it has so many calories.
It's called creation science.
For clarity, please remember the quote marks. Creation "science". Thank you.
Sane folks who live in Texas, are not so surprised by Q. Nothing new.
Technically, being a spousal abuser is doing damage to another person.
Gnostic is knowing. A- is without belief. Nobody KNOWS.
The prefix a- simply means without. A-gnosos - with knowledge, A-theist - without belief in God.
People are welcome to view the words however they like these days, but the morphology is really simple.
Seth And Aron don't have a problem with God but they have a problem with religion.
I regard myself as an animal of the human species.
Not a beast.
ive been stating out loud that their stuff is magic for years,
George Harrison was an ex catholic. I’ve learned from observing other ex catholics that even if they believe themselves to be atheists, they never seem to be able to shake off that need for mysticism.
That's an interesting observation.