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TTA Podcast 294: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism (with Aron Ra)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2016
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Aron Ra has a new book based on his popular UA-cam video series, "Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism." We talk to Aron about these falsehoods, and the new book.
Amazon link for FFoC book: www.amazon.com/Foundational-F...
The UA-cam video series: • 1st Foundational False...
I was a Christian in my teens early twenties and I now consider religion as a "mind virus". I nearly went insane with all of the battle of faith and actual evidence. I finally let go of Christianity and my mind has never felt so free. I now can't believe I ever tried to convince myself that any of it was true and I am now happy with life and a very proud atheist.
Mind virus. That's great. It certainly is contagious and does much harm.
Aron Ra is both the nicest and scariest looking atheist I've seen
I got to meet Seth when he came to my town. A TOTAL delight. Charming, beautiful, and above all, kind. His wife was SO COOL! I love her! I got to meet his stepdaughter, her boyfriend, Seth's poochies. It was a very, very good day. It's a treat to meet someone whom you admire, and crush on, and find that someone to be human. I will continue to harbor inappropriate thoughts about Seth, but mostly, I'll just be glad to have met him.
I spend more mornings after work listening to Aron more than anyone else.
+HAPPY RABBIT
"You need to get out more. Have a little fun.
Oh, wait...."fun" is not logical and reasonable. Scratch that, lol!"
Again, you show your extreme ignorance. Have you ever met an actual scientist? Do you have any idea what they consider fun? Intellectuals tend to have fun by exercising their brains. Do you have any idea how many cool things can be done in a lab just for fun? Where do you get this idea that intellectuals are all work and no play? We are not brainless robots like religious sheep-drone god-slaves are. Unlike religious fanatics like you, intellectuals actually understand why the concept of fun is instinctual and an important part of any society regardless of the species. The more intelligent a species is, the more they play. We scientists have studied the concept of fun and understand it far better than people like you. Please get an education before posting again.
***** I have a lot of fun. I'm not a machine.
@BuffaloBob-556 there is one?
Aron Ra for president
I'm so buying your book Aron! Congrats :)
13:10 "Creationism is blatantly dishonest." YES. Invariably so.
Any man who loves his dog is a step ahead of other men in my book
I have to admit I dawwwwwww'ed aloud when Aron's dog appeared
I've read (or listened) to all the books by Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, and others, but to me Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism is the best. I've listened to Aron Ra narrate it 4 or 5 times and I'm always blown away by his knowledge of scripture (and how absurd it is) and of the genetics of evolution. Incredible work by an extremely learned man!
aron ra's the shit. would love to grab a beer with him
He's the fucking man. He needs to be the atheist Pope.
Talk about METAL! \m/ :)
+HAPPY RABBIT
"And talk about what? The same ten things that atheists ALWAYS talk about?
Expand your mind, imho...."
If you had any education at all or knew any intelligent people, then you would find out that atheists can talk about all kinds of things. In reality, it is religious fanatics like you who have very little to talk about due to your extreme ignorance of reality and science.
***** And what do you think he should do, Mr. Intellectual? Rant and rave about Tumblr sludge like The Amazing Atheist does now? Do you want the evolutionary equivalent of Noam Chomsky (although that may be an overstatement) to give up all of his intellectual interests and devolve into another dime-a-dozen anti-SJW UA-camr?
He could do that. Easily. He could have famous UA-camr's like Sargon and Thunderf00t promote the shit out of him and have his name up with theirs in about a month. But it just so happens that he cares more about substantive videos and intellectual discussion than he does about selling out and getting as many of the large 15-34 year old male UA-cam demographic as he can with a bunch of anti-SJW bullshit.
12:45 min. I live in CA and one of the younger family members who lives in between San Jose (aka silicon valley) and San Francisco told me that their public school teacher said "Evolution is Just a Theory". I was just about bowled over. So, be aware that the creationists still exist and might be teaching your child.
You need to sue that school for teaching nonsense to your children. Your and my taxes go to pay that ignorant teacher.
HVYMETL i have no legal rights over the child and the family situation is problematic. I would, but i don't think i can do anything.
The talk about "kinds" reminds me of the scene in Borat where he asks park employees, "What type of dog is this?" when referring to a tortoise.
Thanks, Seth. Thanks, Aron. You both do awesome work.
i like listing to the thinking atheist because of seth's voice so relaxing
It gives me a lady boner.
About 10 years ago I was talking with a woman and she literally put her fingers in hears and did the "la la la" thing.
Finally someone who knows the truth
Alabama, not Arkansas is "just north" of Pensacola :)
I have been listening/watching to the Thinking Atheist for several years now. I left religion (christianity/catholicism in 1981), I live in Europe. After all this time: there is a world of difference between Europe (freethinkers - atheism etc) and the USA (freethinkers - atheism). The struggle of the freetinkers/atheists in the USA is so different from Europe. But still nice to listen to you.
Windows Explorer is now called File Explorer in WIndows 10. The Windows Key + E shortcut still works as well.
Nice to hear people say how silly it is to think that positive thoughts can change things. I get into that argument with so many people especially those who are into law of attraction
Actually the windows explorer thing is just done on the side of the main file viewer now.
Love this. I have a few God believing friends, associates that I would love to recon with this material.
So true they believe in belief ... dishonesty cloaked.
Pre-ordered his book, and it just arrived today. I can't wait to start reading it. I just need the time. Although I did look at the first couple pages and I already found a typo. Forgot a space in the first sentence after a %.
I always enjoy your interviews with Aron. Great podcast.
Five years later and I learned of this book. I now have my own copy!
There are few people in this world who have my attention that claim to have grasped a true scientific view of the TRUE tree of life and record it for our children's sake. Aron is one.
Aron Ra makes me less Angry with my former self, for having been a pious believer.
I have went through confirmation for belief reasons and then made a 180 at some point where i have been confronted with methodoligical thinking and adopted doubt as a method.
I am still angry with religious people not being able to budge, to go away from those false presumptions. I wish i had the patientce of him discussing it over and over while staing calm and reasonable. It is really special to have someone so reasonable with the side of reason ^^
Regarding "kinds," I went to the Ark Encounter and was provided literature (via a quiz on a decorated lunch bag) that "kind" is the equivalent to genus. Not exactly a peer- reviewed journal, but there you go.
Amazon reports that the book is available for delivery by September 30.
I have added it to my wishlist.
I believe... that some people NEED god. By this, I mean: those that cannot face an ending existence... fearing the oblivion that comes to the extent that their choice is religion or depression. There is also the fact that others need a 'holy' father: someone who gives them a sense of morals because their own compass is too far off.
+Dr Abraxis
I can understand people, including and especially children, with terminal illnesses needing to believe in god in order to keep up hopes, but anyone else who only needs god to keep them from committing crimes or getting depressed simply needs to be kept far away from people. I have never once been depressed as a result of the fact that the supernatural doesn't exist. I've been depressed because of legitimate reasons that impacted my life. Not believing in a god shouldn't have an impact on you when the god that never existed never had any affect on your life to begin with. Since god can't possibly have any actual affect on you, then the only left to blame for the depression is you. Thus, you are the only one capable of curing the depression.
That being said, coming to the realization that religion is complete bullshit and announcing it can have real effects on you if you're family is too blind, ignorant, brainwashed, indoctrinated, and uneducated to be humans and accept and love you. This is a known issue that plagues our society as it makes many young atheists live in fear and humiliation or face being abandoned by their family and community. Though there are organizations that help these young atheists, it costs money and manpower to help these young people. On top of that, too many young atheists are too afraid to come out of hiding because they are too afraid of the consequences. That is why schools should be able to intervene when children are abused by religion and educate them about recognizing the signs of religious abuse and how to get help and/or report such abuse. Any child that goes to a public school should be aware that they can get help when they are abused by religion. All schools should have to teach evolution and other basic science concepts regardless of school's location, affiliation, or style. No school should be allowed to teach the bible as anything more than fictional literature. Any school that does not conform will be boycotted so that no secular employer, organization, business, or school will recognize or accept any diploma or degree from them. Schools and colleges that do conform will continue to receive federal aid. This may seem radical, but it is just one way to begin repairing and preventing the damage to the educational system religion has inflicted upon us.
Lastly, the argument that some people need god is irrelevant to the debate between atheists and theists. The illusion of needing a god is created when someone makes the error of believing that there is a god without having any evidence to support their belief. The religious will tell you that you are programmed to need god, which goes against having free will. In reality, if you believe in a god, then you are essentially creating the need for a god. However, since both god and the need for god are illusions that have no real substance. They only give you the illusion that you are being helped by god. Though the events and experiences are real, their misunderstanding of reality leads them to erroneously confirm their illusion is real. What they fail to realize is that atheists can also be very successful in life, and we do it without the illusion of a divine being taking enough interest in our pathetic lives to help us when we are in need. Since both atheists and theists can be successful, then the illusion of needing god is proven as an illusion, and therefore shouldn't be entertained as a valid argument. Thus, the argument is irrelevant. So with that, I bid you farewell and have a nice day!
if someone only is moral because a they think the skyghost will punish them if they aren't they are mentally unstable and dangerous and belong in an asylum or prison and not into civilized society.
if all it takes for that person to chop up people is to realize there is no god they are a danger to others around them.
Jeez, with the black background and black garb, Aron Ra looks like an apparition.
I love the floating head effect!
Seth and Aron are arguably my two favorite people (Matt Dillahunty belongs in this company too) as faces/voices for atheism/skepticism ... they are down to earth and honest and fair. I know there are more people worthy as well ... but I've learned SO much form "regular" folks (the heavy hitters like Hitch, Dawkins, Harris et. al. not withstanding) like this than in the many years of public education ... I very much look forward to Aron's book release
Thanks to all skeptics, freethinkers and scientists etc. who sacrifice and take huge risks to coherently and comprehensively lay out a thoughtful and logical case for truth and factual reality.
BEST OF LUCK, ARON RA. CONGRATS!
I love to work at home now. It allows me to view Seth’s and Aron’s videos all day long. Ps: windows 10 still allows one to use windows explorer the same way as in previous versions.
Thank you very much Aron for this interview.
The computer folder system is alive and still universally used today. Not sure why this concept is characterized as antiquated or old. Love your content Aron
The Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism was a great experience for me, as I had not long become an Atheist and now had easily accessible and powerful ammo against the religious jargon.
My book just arrived from Amazon just as I clicked to listen to this interview. :)
Windows Explorer doesn't use directories (screw "folders", they're directories) any more? Makes me glad I've stuck with Windows 7. How are you supposed to organise your files without directories?
You guys are so cool. :D
30:55 that is the face of a man far too proud of his own joke.
My fiancee gets that same look when she makes puns.
Nice focus on the facts.
I'd only suggest that Creationist Cola 'Looks Sweet, Zero Calories' or some such 'tasteless' assertion.
Aron's book should arrive in the mail Monday. Can't wait for the references, great job getting it out Aron!
I pre ordered and I was so excited I posted the front and back covers along with the inscription on Facebook ...lol
I'm confused and frightened. Amazon led me to believe that the release date is October 1?
Why does he keep saying Wondows doesn't use Windows Explorer? Explorer is one of the few things that never changed. It merely looks more modern.
AronRa: Kent Hovind is In ALABAMA not Arkansas.
Good talk.
Bought the Audio book, a great listen.
40:00 "If science could get its mitts on the Jesus phenomenon, then yes." *PRECISELY!!!* It's NOT just about proving that Jesus was what the bible wants to assert he was to me or you or Aron or the guy down the street, but to EVERYONE, as surely as Ohm's Law works for everyone, whether they know it or not.
Selective individual revelation is BOGUS.
+BlackEpyon God has killed more people than Dick Cheney has. Doesn't that scare you?
"Selective individual revelation is BOGUS." ?
...states we should disregard the bible and its assertions, because it is all 'individual revelation' in the form of letters and books, and is BOGUS.
;] Perfect!
Ya, I saw his file folder system of taxa/phylogenetics and said "Oooo! I want that!"
I just placed my order for your book Aron
Great show
What program do you use to record two people in two locations live like that? Or, was he in the same room?
Totally getting the audiobook. I'd listen to 50 Shades of Grey if Aron was reading it.
I rewatch The Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism every year.
Looking forward to seeing Aron in Berkeley in October
I'll have to get the book. When I debate on youtube with believers I have a shit ton of notes I search through from reading and research. I would be nice to have something to go to if you don't have something down by memory.
is Aron planning to come back to Europe any time soon? I'd like to meet him one day.
I wonder how much money I could rake in by starting a Power Rangers or Harry Potter based religion
Does anyone remember that one episode of Family Guy where Peter Griffin starts a religion centered around the Fonz?
What are Aronra's credentials? Degrees? I was just wondering because he seems very smart
Kudos to Aron for opting out of the 'pure-bred' dog fad.. Purebred dogs (popular dogs of the cutest kind) are born with a number of genetic issues and are often mated with members of their family to maintain the appearance of the breed. Golden retrievers are a good example given that around 60% of them die of CANCER because of the lack of genetic diversity .... And I don't EVEN want to discuss Bulldogs.
Kind "a group of people or things having similar characteristics"
species "a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding"
Yes, for the good old days of wooden ships that just loved to sink more often than not. Damn planes.
Question: if God cursed the snake in the garden to forever have to crawl on its belly on the ground, wouldnt that imply the snake would have otherwise EVOLVED to NOT crawl on its belly??
*sigh* David Bowie's eyes were the same color. One was paralyzed, which made it appear a different color if you weren't paying attention.
I would think that a priori all species must be either transitional or terminal.
This was a passing comment but I am wondering about (and not finding much on) the people with gills. Does anyone have a reputable source that is or includes links to the studies on this subject? Is it a known fraud? Is it thought to be true? I've never heard it before I find it unlikely.
Speaking of evolution is it just me or did anybody else get caught evolution in their history class cuz that's where I got taught that and I have no idea why everything else though was in science class if somebody can answer why it was in my history class that they taught evolution please tell me
At what point is it justified to call someone an idiot or a fool?
When even with presented with undeniable evidence - sometimes even stuff they'll concede -, they still believe the opposite.
Holy crapppp those dogs.... :D
wutt???? what do you mean window explorer no longer used? i still used it all my friend still used it and its exactly like taxonomical structure, i put folder inside folder to classify and substructure my data. Seriously why are you saying it like explorer is an extinct program like lotus???? Aron do you even window?
Um, no part of Arkansas is just north of Pensacola. That would be Alabama.
Not to get off subject but Aron Ra is headed for health problems if he doesn't take care of himself. He keeps getting bigger and looks like is health is in the toilet. I would like to see him be around awhile; he's a cool guy.
Has AronRa been to Eastern Europe?
zeldaofarel Don't think so.
Hah!
35:40
Seth: Sometimes I just checked out ... I just put my fingers in my ears and said, "God is good, I wanna go to Heaven, I'm terrified of going to Hell ..."
Aron: [GlugGlugGlugGlug]
--S
40:42 - if you´re going to worship a god, it might as well be a kawaii neko-girl... Sure beats a boring cult leader with a 12 dude harem x) #Nyan
hjorturerlend
You furries disgust me.
Lewa500
Haha! Not a furry or neko-fan tho :)
PS: Besides, cat-girls generally aren´t, you know, *furry* x)
Well, they do have furry ears and tails and whatnot. But as a dog person, I couldn't care less.
Lewa500
Pretty sure there are dog-girls (Inu-girls?) too ;p I´m both a dog and cat person :) Well, enough about this month+ old joke...
PS: Just checked, inu-girls definately are a think, kinda cute too x)
@31:00 / 43:00 LOL!!!
Creationist Cola ftw
💛🧡❤🧡💛🧡
"voluminous'.....no "volumous"
Aron GET NEIL SHUBIN ON THE RAMEN!!!!!!! Tiktaalik is my, and my 6 year old daughters', favorite fossil.
although you guys misrepresented his work here, just saying science
Religious people want god to be true, they believe the bible to be true, BUT!!!!! that doesn't make either one true,
I know you probably get lots of requests for ideas for shows, but can you do a show on White Supremacist Christian Identity religions and some of the hateful idiotic nonsense they believe and possibly why such sects are dangerous? Thanks.
One argument against creationism that I have not heard enough is this. If you believe that the earth is only 6 to 10 thousand years old, then you have to explain how all the animals, including all prehistoric animals and dinosaur species that we know of from the fossil record, lived, bred, died, deposited enough bones that some fossilized, spread over the world, and micro evolved from their base "kinds" to all variations we see in the fossil record in that short amount of time. What kind of ecology would that have been like? Can you imagine that many species sharing this earth in the numbers they would need to survive for several thousand years? Would there have been enough plants to sustain herbivores (especially if they were all herbivores before the mythical fall)? If micro evolution happened that quickly we would be able to see it within a human lifetime and we see little change over the thousands of years of written human history. Your assertion that the majority of fossils were deposited by the mythical flood in absurd ways only means that the variation of species, even within their own "kinds" had to happen in an even smaller span of time, either before or after the flood. It is absurd, and you're stuck, with "god did it with his magic" again. Or science and painstakingly collected human knowledge is right, your god doesn't exist, and your ancient myths are just myths. Which is more likely?
It doesn't make more sense with the "old Earth creationism". That requires more faith while "young earth" requires more conspiracy theories.
great to listen to. thank you Seth and Aron. Aron: eat more vegetables, ok? Your skin looks like it needs it. With love. Netherlands.
What about the facts of Co2 pollution? Do those facts not warrant a change in lifestyle consumption? Or do we pick and choose which facts we want to believe and why?
Not to mention the fact that religion and religiosity are evolutionary facts! Get it? Religion and religiosity are here because evolution saw fit to bestow them upon us!
But sure, I don't really have a problem with the idea that we are 'frisky dirt' and that some of us no longer need religion or religiosity .
I guess we could ignore Co2 pollution and necessary lifestyle changes if we thought scientists were lying..........
Unfortunately, that's just what the current US government is doing.
Great interview. Interestingly, Aron is the dude that got me to go ??? re: feminism.
Jesus saves ✝️
What?
Yeah Jesus does save
okay, a bit of a double standard seems to be at work here. To go after Christians when the dictionary definition of it is "one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ", while excusing feminist citing the dictionary definition doesn't quite fit. It is hard to accept that Aron is not capable of seeing this. In his own paraphrase of his words, it seems like "a deliberate distortion." The reason this comes up each time he speaks is, it brings into question his reasoning skills, which is critical to this series of discussions. Makes me question how honest, faithfully relating, and clear he is being in all these discussions with Creationist. Trust is easily lost, and difficult to reestablish.
What is the evolutionary purpose of the tummy rub? I've witnessed wolves in captivity beg for tummy rubs.
In my understanding, someone who pretends to understand what she doesn't, is a "fool".
We do not know the truth about the real world, we only have approximate models for how it behaves.
Further, many in thee comments are operating under the mistraken pre-scientific impression that there actually is such a thing as Platonically idealized truth.
If there’s one thing we can be absolutely certain of, it’s that we can’t be absolutely certain of anything.
Even if CERN tomorrow announces confirmation of supersymmetry and the day after somebody takes their data and comes up with a slam-dunk Grand Unified Theory of Everything that harmoniously reconciles Quantum and Relativistic Mechanics and all the rest…
…we still won’t have any way of ruling out the possibility that we’re just a subroutine of a Matrix-style simulation operating in a “real” universe with physics radically different from the one we superficially find ourselves in.
And, of course, even if we did somehow, incomprehensibly, discover that to be a fact…well, how do we know that the Matrix super-universe isn’t itself but a passing dream of Alice’s Red King?
Truth can be an useful shorthand in many situations. I wouldn’t hesitate to say that it’s true that the Sun rises in the East, or that that blasted motherfucking orange-haired idiot is the current Resident of the White House.
But, ultimately, what we can be certain we don’t have is truth - and, instead, what we have are models / maps that are more or less useful. Even, of course, as some of those models are so useful that they are practically indistinguishable to us from Platonic idealized Truth.
I want to eat a Ra steak with him
If Jesus died on the cross to remove our sins,, them Moses went to hell because he died before Jesus was even born.
The Birth and Adoption of Moses 1525 BC
The Death of Moses 1406 BC
What does SJW mean?
Social Justice Warrior
TheAvengingAtheist Thanks
It means that someone's in a snit because 1) many good people want their rejection of superstition to inform human rights causes in a woo-free world and 2) the critics of those people can't seem to help but knee-jerk about the caricatures and extremists on the front lines of social causes.
SJW is designed as a pejorative, a conversation-killer, a piece of trash tossed from the cheap seats. It's also clumsily dragged into unrelated conversations because the rabid anti-SJW horde can't seem to think about anything else.
This video is about creationism and evolution. And Aron, while far from perfect, has done more to advance the cause of rationalism than the majority of his (armchair) critics in sum.
It's the old Hammer-Problem all over again (If all you have got is a hammer every problem looks like a nail).
They are so obsessed with "SJWs" that whatever they see and do not like is labelled as that.
Five years ago it would have been Progressive, ten years ago "Liberal", 15-20 years ago Socialist, forty years ago "Commie"... The ones using it the most often do not even care about what it REALLY means and do not understand anything about the things their hated enemies really want to talk about or try to change...
HAPPY RABBIT I know who he was what's your point
Creationist Cola will rot your brain. ; )
I want to bear hug Aron Ra, then braid his hair. And as for Seth....*sigh*....he's just so sexy.
ain't they got no barbers where you come from son?