Severance Theories #5 - What Really Happened to Petey + More Milchick
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2022
- In this edition of Severance Theories, we'll explore some of the mysteries relate to Petey, but not before we cover a somewhat popular theory about Mr. Miilchick, the Multiple Milchick Theory.
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One thing I can't understand from Ms. Cobel is why she was so happy when outie Mark told her he was thinking about quitting Lumon. This may indicate that she is working against Lumon (but why go after Helly at the party?) or that Mark is special (at least from her perspective). Also, she doesn't seem to be nearly as obsessed with any other MDR employee.
I suspect that she's not a Lumon fan, but a dyed-in-wool Kier fan all the way. I think she disapproves of what Lumon is doing and believes the board has strayed from his original vision. I don't think she wants to see Lumon destroyed, but she does think she can correct its course from within, which is why she will protect the company despite her misgivings. I talk about this a bit in a video about Cobel.
As for her and Mark, it could be that Mark's situation with Gemma mirrors her own with Charlotte, or there is more to Mark's identity than we know as of yet. I think she was happy to see him quit because she low-key hates severance or severed identities. It's hard to say for sure. It should be interesting to find out what her obsession with him is really about.
Lumon had just fired her... she was ready to take the ship down, either out of spite, or so she could create an issue and be the one to save the day and get her job back. When she realized that Innie Mark was out, she quickly switched into crisis mode, and thus her opportunity to get back into Lumon's good graces.
She is trying to figure out how to unsever herself which is why she was so interested in Petey. She tried to stop Helly from exposing Lumon because if they are shit down then Cobel will no longer be able to achieve reintegration
@@lialia2268 I think this is a good theory, however, it would make more sense for her to not tell the Board about reintegration at all if she was trying to figure out how to do it for herself.
She cares for Mark. Wanted her to k own they will suffer
I think there's definitely something to the Multiple Milchick theory.
In episode 7, Dylan bites Milchick. Milchick distinctly screams, "He's biting me!" not once, but twice. Milchick is wearing a white shirt so that the blood will be very visible. Milchick stands up and states, "He broke the skin!".
The bite is precisely where Milchick's signature short sleeves end. I assume that there's a reason why he wears short sleeves, and I predict we will see a scene where "a" Milchick has his shirt removed in some manner with no visible scarring and reveal that there is possibly more than one of him.
Shortly after the biting scene, Dylan and Helly are discussing the lack of security, roughly 29 minutes into the episode.
Helly states that they've never seen any other security guards except Graner. Dylan asks, "What about Milchick?" and Helly responds, "He can't be everywhere at once."
I think these events and dialogue were included to set the stage for Milchick clones.
I also think when Milchick used the overtime contingency, he had the help of a clone. When Dylan's kid runs into the closet, Milchick radios "End it," and you briefly see a hand releasing the switch, which could be another Milchick.
The goats, the 3D printers in O&D, and the scene where Milchick looks into Burt's microscope perhaps hint at cloning playing a role in this story.
Lastly, around the 11-minute mark of the 7th episode, Milchick is testing the new door they've installed in MDR. He continually opens and closes it, and they show this multiple times from different angles. It's almost like they're showing us that he's multiplying. He then goes into the bathroom, and the camera pans from the mirror to him walking to the stall, and there are briefly two Milchicks in the same shot.
Everything in this show is intentionally done so. I think this scene was definitely shot this way to provide some foreshadowing.
I think a major key with Petey is illustrating how difficult reintegration is. Not only does the innie and outie have to remember each other's memories, but they then have to try to splice them together into the proper temporal sequence. It's not like recovering X years of lost memories -- it is recovering 8 hour and 16 hour chunks of memory and getting them in the correct order with themselves AND each other -- kind of like taking two sides of a zipper and closing them together. Outie Petey's "flashbacks" (involuntary recurrent memories) add a new layer of horror to the show, and IIRC this was because he was rushing the reintegration process. As you mentioned, Petey's whole timeline is a bit iffy, and we may never know exactly what happened without a secondary source, as Petey is unfortunately somewhat of an unreliable narrator. And as always, loving your videos!
Hey, raven lorde! you make good points here. I think Petey ultimately died because he felt it urgent enough to forego a proper recovery because he wanted to be sure he had the chance to let Mark know Lumon was up to no good and try to do something about it. I imagine he would be experiencing a fair bit of paranoia about what Lumon would do once they found him, so it may be what drove him to attend to the issue right away instead of just hiding. Reghabi said he would have been fine had he gotten sufficient rest and kept a low profile. I guess we have to assume she knows what she's talking about. Reintegration sounds like a nightmare. Your uneven zipper analogy is great, because it truly is like stitching two vastly uneven experiences together in a way that the brain and memory can reconcile. Good insights, as usual.
Petey even says his memories are mixed up, referencing memories of his fifth birthday mixed in with something recent.
Milchick's work day looks very much like that of an elementary school secretary I once knew, doing a little bit of everything, seeming to be everywhere at once. I'm not kidding!
If Lumen has the power to make clones then maybe Mark’s wife is a clone and she actually died .
I think. Petey is an Eagan, that’s why his name has the same structure as Helly. May be her older brother, and when it was apparent he wasn’t working out petey was disowned and Helly replaced him, in the hopes that she’d work better.
Sounds like a good theory
Petey… or Pete E?
That would make June an Eagan then. And I believe June will be an important character in the future, as she leaves more questions than certainties now.
I don’t think so, he would have mentioned it, and all the extra knowledge that comes with
(Spoilers included in this comment)
Not feeling the clone theory. If Milchick was a clone, the security would be much tighter than it already appears... no sneaking out of the MDR office, and no Innies getting into the control room. He (or multiple he's) would have the bandwidth to lockdown pretty much everything, which would make this story not very interesting. Since Innies are like children, Milchick is more like a teacher in a public school, which, contrary to popular belief, is a job that has a ton of roles... all of which are done in the same day. Milchick reading the book in the conference room is just like a teacher on a break... when a teacher goes on break that is most likely the time when shit goes down with the kids. Not to mention, in the last episode, when Cobel calls to tell Milchick to go to the control room to shut down the overtime function, she'd likely need to make several phone calls until she got the Milchick she was looking for. IF there is a clone (or multiples) they are not in the same location.
Great videos.
It's a tougher sell for me for a variety of reasons, chief among them being that cloning humans conflicts with the need for severance as a tool. Why bother going through the trouble of cloning when you can create a worker out just about anyone already living (e.g., Gemma)? I find it intriguing but in grand scheme, not practical enough to make it worthwhile.
That said, the purpose of the beehive protocol is interesting. It probably does exactly what it sounds like.
It is funny that he's reading the book, "The you you are" especially if he is a clone
Since we never see Milchick going up or down in any elevator or stairwell, it would almost seem there's possibly an outie-living and an innie-living Milchick, but both have the knowledge of all the inner workings. I don't think it's until Dylan is woken up in his closet we see Milchick outside the Lumon building in any capacity?
@@Wells306 put simply… I hope clones aren’t really behind everything in this story. Ben Stiller has done a great job ant making us wonder about the fringes while leaving us breadcrumbs. If everything leads to clones, I’d be disappointed… it would be the lazy way out of all of the developments. Similar to how the show Lost sucked everyone in, then they got too deep without knowing what to do, and then took the it-was-all-a-dream approach to wrapping up the story. They’ve laid out the notion that many characters are likely severed beyond who has already been pointed out, and I’m fine with that if that is the case… but the ability to sever and make multiple, fully grown clones? I’d have to suspend my beliefs too much to enjoy it.
@@allanpeters4908 all I can see now, as a worst case scenario, everyone is trapped inside a tiny model, and Derek Zoolander shows up to inspect it and proclaims “What is this?!”
I’m sure it won’t be…..or I sincerely hope not. 😆
I think Devon seems too genuine in her interest in what’s going on with severance to be “in on” anything major. The most suspicious thing she does is quickly shut her laptop when Ricken comes in the room while she’s researching. Which makes me more suspicious of Ricken than of her.
I don't think there is anything nefarious about Devin. Remember, she was caught off guard when she met that one woman again (or I could say for the first time, lol), after they had given birth.
I really want to trust her
I hope not! but...maybe...
She also wasn't aware of Cobal being Lumon's employee. Or, act like that.
Your voice is amazing
Hey, thanks!
I agree, so calming to hear. Love it.
I have a theory that he is milchicks outtie
@@viewtifulviewer7282hahahahaha
I haven't heard the Milchick clone theory. Interesting.
I was listening to the radio the other day and they mentioned Apple TV+ who produce the show. They made an excellent point that they tend not to produce as many shows as some of their streaming competitors - but the few they do produce are of a much higher production value. Quality and not quantity. This is most evident in the cinematography, script and cast of Severance imo. The fact Lumon has a skeleton crew sharing most - if not all - the duties we see on screen is therefore due to a focus on character development. It's easier to do this when you keep the numbers down.
The executives at Apple were also waiting on the critical reception before deciding if they were going to renew for another season. So it's not as much of a gamble for them if the show isn't well received and more likely to succeed for the reasons above. The scatter gun approach most of the streaming giants go for means a lot of well cast, well thought out shows get cancelled. This 'fling enough spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks' philosophy does produce some popular shows. But the success rate is so low it makes you wonder what the point is - especially if your focus is on the viewer, as it should be.
Anyway, this might explain why Milchick (besides the security guard and Cobel) represent all things Lumon in the show. It's not as fun as your theories (especially the Beehive theory) i'm just thinking of what constraints they had when making the show. There's only one of each character in this show imo, although the fact they're so strict on different departments having communication does make me wonder... I have a feeling some of the bit part characters will be developed and will become centre stage next season, which is no surprise, however I feel the Artetas (The senator and his wife) and Reghabi might have been overlooked. I don't think they'll bring back Petey, his character is deceased, although I imagine we will get flashbacks of him before he died with the office crew and Reghabi. Cobel might also be taking a back seat as the board seek to replace her, so my money is on a brand new character taking her position. The board might also blame/ reprimand her for the Innies becoming unsevered in the outside world the timing of it might make them think she was pulling a stunt to get reinstated.
So those are my latest theories I enjoyed the video as always can't wait for the next one!
Hey, Ricken! Apple TV's approach is the opposite of Netflix in every way. I can't say I've ever watched anything on Apple's platform that wasn't, at least, well developed. Servant, a show that has an even smaller cast than Severance, was the show that got me to sign up, and it was pretty much a domino effect from there. My biggest gripe with Netflix is how frequently they drop good shows, because their model demands they do if the show isn't increasing subscriptions. It's so anti-consumer.
I hope we do see some flashbacks related to Petey, especially anything concerning his friendship with Mark and whatever it is that caused him to defect. I agree, Cobel is probably done as the dept head, but I think she's still going to play a big role in the story going forward. We know we're getting a ton of new characters next season, so I'm curious to see whether the writers shift our attention to the new people to tell the story from a different perspective, or if these newbies will be integrated into the existing arcs. I'm honestly OK with either.
@@nautilusfiles i didn't know about the new cast members until i read another comment. I suspect they will be an expansion of the current set-up at Lumon, other departments and/ or locations maybe. There might even be some new refiners, they've got plenty of floor space and it's not like the town is overpopulated.
Hopefully we find out more about what Lumon is actually involved in besides the severance chips. I hope they don't drag it out too long but at the same time I want more seasons. I'm looking for something new to watch in the mean time I will give Servant a try.
A discord would be great! I’m so obsessed with this show.
This is an excellent series. My theory is that the code detectors' capabilities are exaggerated but they can't be complete bs because they probably would detect someone accidentally bringing in a watch with numbers or the "outie" badge. One detail of the set design which I love is the badge readers on the severed floor are of the old-fashioned Wiegand effect type where you have to physically insert and remove them to read a 22-bit code encoded with literal iron wires.
Everyone outside of the severed floors, including the severed employees before they switch badges in the locker room, uses the modern ordinary proximity badges which you press against the badge reader. It would stand to reason that the "code detectors" would need to recognize the badges and so they would have to be the simplest possible, like the watches.
Milchick is so well casted and acted. He’s such a believable and scary character. All his jobs are pretty easy. They just take basic common sense and decent intelligence.
The idea of not knowing if you're being watched or not goes back to the Panopticon. The original was a prison concept where multiple prisoners could be watched by a single guard without knowing if they were actually being surveilled at any particular time. And I think you're right about Lumon doing the same thing.
I've already seen severance 5 times so far but I love your suggestion of calling off work to watch it and will probably do that next week.
I'm low key jealous of you right now 😂
Another excellent video, love the milchick clone theory would make sense because he always seems to be working on the severed flood even at night we saw him still grafting. Would also help explain the goats.
Kobel is definitely not against lumin but Ervin was definitely a great shout and maybe he is aided by his secret lover Burt G
i think the code detectors might not work with cds or casset tapes since those encode data differently than written language
Yes! Keep the video coming bro! Best analysis channel for Severance on YT by far. Nice voice too!
INTO THE DEPTHS! (in case you play Nautilus in LoL hehe)
Thanks so much! I don't know the reference, but now I'm curious lol.
I don’t have anyone to discuss this amazing TV series. I think you’re right about Seth Milchick being multiple people. He’s cloned and he’s got his hands on everything.
The rabbit holes!!! Love these videos...thanks so much for encouraging my obsession!!
So hype to watch this I gotta save it for the right moment 😂
Good to see you back! Killer as always
Thanks for stopping by, Alan. Always good to hear from you!
@@nautilusfiles you too brother love your work, your voice your riding a sense of humor all worked in a logical theories how could you not love a man I'm trying to get you as many subscribers is a fucking can man you're doing great work more need to know about you
@@nautilusfiles I would like to see you do the new series soon as soon as one comes around that is original and unique and mysterious as severance. Any ideas what next series maybe on the horizon?
@@Alan...WithanA Much appreciated! The whole experience has been awesome, and I truly am grateful for all the support!
Yay! More Severance videos!
Ok after hearing you explain this, I am kinda here for multiple milchicks… but they would have to know each other.
Also can’t wait for the Lexington Letter vid!!
Been waiting on your take on it.
And omg Larry David is my favorite comedian ever ❤ how did you know lol
I still think the doctor Regavi (sp?) is somehow related to or was with Milchick or maybe even oDylan like what if she’s milchicks sister and Dylan’s ex wife 😮 I really want to see more of her and for her to be related to someone on the severed floor
Heather! I'm just going to go ahead and say it, Seinfeld is the sitcom GOAT and Curb is in my top 5, so Larry was going to find his way into my videos eventually 😂
I've seen theories about Reghabi being Dylan's wife, but I haven't really thought it through yet. That could explain why Dylan had to leave his kid in front of the TV during the OTC w/Milchick. I thnk she's going to be an important character in the future. I'm dying to know who these Lumon rebels are and what they are actually up to!
@@nautilusfiles it’s a thread I love they left dangling, bc that lady seems like a badass who obviously isn’t unwilling to crack a skull to get her way! Also love the idea that she didn’t kill him, since we never see his body or hear about it being found as far as I remember. Maybe she resuscitated him and is using him somehow.
That’s what’s so great about this show. Anything’s possible but not to the point of absurdity. Even with the goats being almost absurd, it still seems like it could be rooted in reality (things like animal testing 😒 or cloning or as severance chip holders/purgatory goats)… and now I’m wondering what would happen if you took peteys chip and put it into a goat… would petey be a man in a goats body? Gah I love this show.
Speaking of GOATs, Curb to me is like R rated Seinfeld. I grew up on Seinfeld, I can recite lines from prob every episode. Even the terrible pilot that almost killed the show. And Larry showing up on Seinfeld as mr costanzas caped lawyer 😂 but after I saw the first episode of curb, I was hooked. I bet Larry David IRL is a super nice welcoming guy but I bet he’s also honest to a fault like in the show. And the dynamic with him and Richard, Ted Danson, and Funkhouser (rip) but most of all… the back and forth with Susie Jeff’s wife!! When she calls him a “four eyed fuck” I lose it every time. Esp when he has that fantasy of her in her Halloween costume the black leather getup and she creeps into his “alone time” fantasy in the bathroom 😂🤣 their chemistry is irreplaceable.
Would love some crazy Seinfeld theory videos, that would be funny. I’m sure someone out there has some outlandish Seinfeld conspiracy theory on Reddit.
@@HeatherHolt Susie Greene is the best sitcom character ever! Larry has said in interviews that he is like most normal people, but "TV Larry" has been bleeding into his real life more and more, and he finds himself becoming more confrontational and prone to calling people out on perceived bullshit.
This is exactly why I want to make a Discord. YT makes it hard to find responses without combing through every video's comment section😐
But, to your post. I wanted to do something on Seinfeld anyway, so I should add that to the "big list". It would be a big project, with all the seasons I'd need to rewatch for clips, but I think it'd be worth it!
i was waiting for this one!!!!!!!
Honestly I could definitely see something being up with Devin, especially cause now she’s the only one innie Mark was able to talk to in the finale
And she could be connected to the reason Marks wife is at Lumin now
Yeah, I never considered her the first time I watched, but the more I think about it, the more suspect she becomes.
But it doesn't look like she is much pro-severance, considering how she acted about the severed mother.
@@touroleite9920 really? I just can’t see her as the type to have this big secret. She doesn’t seem super one way or the other in the final episode about iMark being on the outside. She just doesn’t seem like she’s being built up at all to be some quasi antagonist BUT there’s no telling what tricks they’ll pull! :)
The timing of omark talking about leaving lumon and having questions alongside her contractions feel a little different now lol
Discord sounds dope!
I loved this, it’s ok to call out and make a day of it
More Severance theories 😍!
oh how lucky I feel! :) This innie is super-DUPER thankful!
The feeling s mutual! I'm lucky that people actually like what I do here 😃
I would love to see you do theories, breakdown, thoughts on "1866" when it airs in November!
I've been told about this show by a few people. It looks promising, so I'm certainly planning to check it out!
this is so spicy
Oh yes! 🌶 😂
It makes sense cause remember when he turned off the overtime thing he didn’t tell nobody he coukda had his clones turn it on while he was with dylan
Yeah, we need to know who actually helped him out that night. We know it wasn't Cobel, because she wasn't even aware that it happened. If the clone thing is legit, it could be the explanation. Season two is introducing a whole mess of new characters, so it might turn out Milchick has buddies we don't know about yet.
@@nautilusfiles idk if will ever see who helped but probably the new characters their adding will see one of them probably having a relation to him cant wait for s2 hopefully they can get it out fast
Oh this is getting me antsy about the next season again. I need it now!!! 😫
They have so many questions to answer. I bet they answer some while creating new ones to drive us mad lol
Devin being a secret Lumon agent is so compelling! It would be so dreadful if all that work Mark did in the finale turned out to be for nothing! Could that be what the goat motif in their house is about? I suppose counterevidence would be those scenes between Devin and Cobel, it seems like Devin is not in the know at all, but it's possible that, like you believe, Cobel is actually working against Lumon and wouldn't want to show her hand yet. Definitely one of the darker and more interesting Severance theories!
Also, Mr. Nautilius, I was curious if you enjoy theorizing about other media besides televison. Are there any movies/video games/books/music that you've delved into the theory communities for?
P.S. I think a discord would be great!
Hey, Charlie! I didn't want to consider her, initially. I saw her as the ideal "big sister", and she comes across as a well-intentioned person in Mark's life. And this is what makes her perfectly suited to be a foil lol! The connection to Ricken alone, should have been enough for her to be a potential suspect. There is still the possibility that even if she is not who she appears to be, she might still be on Mark's side. At least, I hope that is the case. The idea that she could be a spy gives me the creeps, but it would be a great twist, nonetheless. I'm so torn lol.
In regard to your question, I have spent time looking up more on films that confuse me or that seem very complex and layered. Not too long ago I was researching two pysch-horror films called "Men" and "Hereditary" and that insane Jordan Peele sci-fi "Nope". Also, games like "Disco Elysium" and "Kentucky Route Zero" required a deeper look, IMO..
@@nautilusfiles I enjoyed "Nope" quite a bit, and I hear great things about "Disco Elysium." Haven't heard of Kentucky Route Zero, but I will check it out! Looking forward to the next vid, good job with this one!
@@nautilusfiles Oh, yes! Disco Elysium and Kentucky Zero are 2 of my favorite games! And! If you like those, I recommend the movie "The American Astronaut". Similarly zany, fun, artistic, weird and spooky. The less you know going in, the better. Hard to find, but sometimes the most valuable things are.
@@nautilusfiles Check out Primer and Upstream Color if you're looking for more challenging, puzzle like films
@@RendallRen Sorry for the late reply (I don't always seem to get notifications on responses). I just watched the trailer, and it looks promising. I'm surprised that I have never heard of this. Thanks!
Wow I need to rewatch the series. I didn’t even catch the “Outie” Helle part.
7:12 this watch replacing is pretty interesting detail
I think something is up with Devon... Even when we see her alone with Ricken, or at the park with the senator's wife, she doesn't seem to have any personality changes, but I don't see why such a down to earth woman's whole social circle seems to be intellectual toddlers.
The last part of what you said really made me think. Attraction is a strange thing, but Devon and Ricken as a couple seems so weird. Sometimes it feels like she is more like his handler than anything else.
Makes you wonder if Devon actually encouraged or even forced Mark to be severed with her knowledge of Lumon and her eccentric acting social circle and husstband. "Intellectual toddlers" is a good description, especially when Eleanor was found with the other guy gloating his own discovery over Mark.
4:02 😄 what’s better then 1 Milchick?
4 Milchicks of course!
😂😂
**Major Theory!**
The Code Detectors do not work by reading the text!
They work via the chip in the head, because they can read the intention of the severed person.
That is the reason for Makro Data Refinmend, because the numbers are memory areas in the brain of the severed person.
In the end they want to introduce new memories to a person, so they can read and write memories.
Then they can copy the mind of an egan as life extension of sort.
All right well they dropped off the new cast for season two and it seems like a lot can’t wait to hear your thoughts
Hey, Dean! Yeah, I read an article about the new additions to the cast. I will probably make a short video on it soon.
Definitely spending my day going through your videos in the background
I don’t personally buy the clone theory for Milchik for multiple reasons:
- When Dylan attacks Milchik during the dancing scene, you later see Milchik with a bandage on his arm during Burt’s going away party.
- When Cobel is fired, Milchik quickly leaves the MDR wing during the egg party and seems to be in distress to escort Cobel out of the building.
- When it is discovered that Dylan is triggering the overtime sequence in the last episode and Milchik is made aware, he frantically has to get to the security room since he is in another part of the building.
All of these points seem to indicate that Milchik is the same person throughout and isn’t some omnipresent clone. Just my two cents, great vid!
5:18 not sure what “Mr. Reynolds” refers to, but there is a fire extinguisher (flame retardant) next to the stairwell (go home the long way, stairs, as opposed to the short way, elevator)
YES TO THE DISCORD
Any chance that you can cover The White Lotus? Season 2 just started and the first season was great!
I didn't know what this was until I just looked it up a few minutes ago. It looks like something I could get into. I'll give it a shot and see. I'm always looking for new stuff, so thanks for the heads up.
Awesome! If you choose to do so, I'll be looking forward to it!
I thought that the code detectors were pretty confirmed when Helly tried several times to leave with notes and they got set off 🤔
"Co🔔" 😂 Live más. 🌮
I can't help my accent sometimes lol. I did that especially for the people that get mad because of the way I say her name 😂
@@nautilusfiles i never really noticed because I think it sounds okay either way. Usually I'm annoyed by different pronunciations of things 😂.
@@nautilusfiles where ya from anyway? I'm from California and apparently there is a noticeable "California accent" slightly different to American Standard.
Shots fired! Shots fired!
Excellent.
An anagram for Seth Milchick is "Checklist Him". Maybe that means something?
A definition for checklist is "a list of items, facts, names, etc, to be checked or referred to for comparison, identification, or verification".
Could be that Milchick is a group of clones that are cheked regularly to ensure that a Milchick doesn't break protocol by, say, giving a tape from the break room to someone?
Hello sir, I'm back. I don't think time works the same inside as it does outside. There can only be one! And he is him! 😂😂😂 You can tell I adore this character 😂
Huh.... I never considered Helly going in/out of the exit was actually her competing with her outie and we were seeing her outie for the first time here. Jaw dropped.
I love this! At first, I thought Mark and Petey were the same person, and this was a movie about DID(dissociative Identity Disorder), but now I’m like wow. The goats and cloning theory makes sense, but so much doesn’t! 😂
This is great, man! Thank you! ❤
Yeah, the theories are all over the place because the writers are so intentionally secretive. I can't lie, it makes me crazy, but it's also fun thinking of all the possibilities. Hopefully we get some answers in season 2!
What if it's Pete E and Helen wasn't the first Eagan to attempt this. Might explain why he was able to have the connections to reintegration and how to get the tape out. Also why Cobel was merely monitoring him through. It doesn't align with the postmortem newspaper article, but it makes as much since that he could be Ambrose's offspring as Ricken which is a theory
I was like- why a clip of Ricky Ricardo? Just to immediately hear “some ‘splaining” . Genius.
I get into my own head too much, at times, so I'm glad some people caught that 😂
While Petey had a procedure to be fully reintegrated, I had thought based upon Cobell's comments that what she had been seeing in Petey was some level of spontaneous re-integration. If Petey had some level of spontaneous re-integration that would give him a motivation to seek out the procedure. Additionally, it appears that Cobell is experimenting with Mark and Gemma/Casey to see if spontaneous re-integration would happen and we see signs that it does for Mark. In the scene where Mark is describing his late wife to his failed date, his narrative structure and cadence follow his wellness sessions with Ms. Casey to a T, as if he remembers these sessions and has mentally linked them to his late wife.
One other point, I doubt that Lumon has a fire alarm in the basement. Given that they stagger the severed 's entrances and exits, in a case of emergency they'd probably let them all die with the exception of Helly who would be discreetly whisked away.
Regarding the tape, I figured there are other people at Lumon who are involved in the resistance and slipped Petey the tape, either a character we already know or one who will be introduced in season 2 in the classic is this person trustworthy or not style plot, only answering the question in the season finale.
Here’s a question. How did Milchick wake up the Innie while he was with the outtie at home when it’s a two person job at the office. This would require three people. Who are those three considering he was keeping it a secret from Cobel?
Did you use to make Walking Dead videos? Your voice sounds so familiar!
No, I've never done any kind of acting, but I appreciate the compliment!
"Multiple Milchick": The theory's premise is that Milchick is doing too much for one person. Other than maybe the Break Room, all of his duties are each pretty low maintenance. AV, nurse, security, orientation, party, team building aren't really full time, especially with his apparent years of experience. Personally, for me to accept that theory , Milchick would have to be doing so much work it would be impossible for even an experienced, productive jack-of-all-trades to do. Within the universe of Severance, there aren't even hints of cloning actually existing.
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Petey smuggling the tape out by the stairs makes the most sense to me. The way the code detector is talked about and presented by the writers makes me think the technology's existence is meant to just be something accepted in-universe as true, even though it wouldn't work in real life.
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Hey, Rendall! Yeah, I wouldn't bet on multiple Milchick being a thing. It's fairly popular as theories go, but I think it lacks imagination from a writer's perspective, and I think these writers would think it too cliche. They seem intent on subverting expectations.
I think the code detectors are a made-up story to deter innies from trying to smuggle things out. With innies being somewhat llike babies, it would be easy to convince them of just about anything. The only wrinkle with my theory is that a very stubborn innie might figure that out if they were persistent enough, and Lumon would not want that info to get out. Lumon probably thinks every severed employee is going to try at some point though, so perhaps there is something in those elevators? OK, I'm arguing with myself here...
I'm currently working on another Black Mirror right now, but Severance is back after that!
If the code detectors are placebos of some sort, how do they catch the codes so accurately? Helly tried arguably everything. They caught her before entering the elevator that first time. Did they know only because they were watching her on security cameras? The fact that they are literally splitting the mind in 2 and experimenting with consciousness in their universe doesn’t really give the impression that those detectors would be hard to create or afford
It is true that the innies are easily fooled.
The Petey spying theory doesn’t fit with the doctor blaming his death on him not following her directions, unless reintegration requires going to work to more gently merge the two realities, which would make sense.
Hello... nice channel. Just came across it and love it. My side note as to how he got the tape is he just had it in his pocket. Mark got wond in with tissue in his pocket. When he got to the floor he trashed it not knowing how it got there. Limon told them about code detectors just to scare them into not trying anything. They are not patted down as they leave or enter. Check it out
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So with the milchick clone theory, assuming it is possible that there are multiple hive mind milchicks could work IF they had the technology to clone the severance chips to give that person the same personality in all bodies and work as a hivemind. There could be one original severed milchick who then got cloned, both chip and body
Yeah, if beehive or some other tech can link them together, it could work. It's a crazy theory, but who knows with this show. I hope we get more info on how severance really works next season. That would shed some light on what the full extent of what is possible.
@@nautilusfiles Can’t wait to find out more and for some more awesome theories and analysis
Hey! I think you forgot to add this video to the severance playlist (or mb I'm just confused!)
Fixed it! Thanks for letting me know!
We never see Milchek outside of Lumen. We know he's probably unsevered, but that doesn't mean he ever leaves the Severed floor. Petey even said, "there are people who aren't allowed to leave. They're down there right now."
He did leave for Dylan's OTC though. I think the people who never leave are like Gemma; they only have one personality, the severed side.
@@nautilusfiles you're right, as soon as I watched your Dylan recap video I realised I'd forgotten that! I'm excited to find out more about Micheck's life in season 2
If they have the tech to turn it on/off remotely, Milchek could also be unknowingly severed. Also it’s so scary to think, but what if people like Gemma are spliced into several persons, doing all kinds of horrific jobs underground. I feel like we’re only getting the tip of the iceberg, atleast I hope so because there are endless ways to take this plot.
So, Petey said Mark also was trying to get out and know what Lumon was working on… their innies always remember everything inside office, but this doesnt seen true… Mark don’t remember any of this…
If Milchick is indeed a clone, then I propose a spin-off where he stars alongside Janet from the Good Place. :)
I guess I misunderstood what was going on with Petey because I thought the company was using him like a guinea pig to see what happens when they turn the chip off. And that's why Cobel was so interested in getting Petey's chip back. I caught onto the hints that Cobel has her own agenda. So I figured her interest in Petey's chip was her having convinced him beforehand to get reintegrated specifically so she could see how that would play out in real time 😅
with the code detector. I tend to agree that it is just a little too magical and not as grounded as the other sci fi type stuff we see. The code detector is actually the result of constant surveillance from the security team watching the innies every move. The constant rhetoric of the code detectors existence and the occasional catching of a note or device is just competent surveillance work. At some point the innies themselves are the ones who pass along the warning about the code detector. The innies themselves are spouting the propaganda Lumon is trying to push.
This might be how Petey is able to smuggle out the tape, he called Lumons bluff about the code detector and did it while there was some major distraction.
Petey was still alive when he was put in the ambulance, at the gas station…is it possible he was killed by Lumon?
Does anyone wonder if the severed elevator is just a regular elevator and someone manually activated and deactivated the chip? Like Judd?
Watch this. Petey is pulling a Shutter Island.
He gave me big Lalo Salamanca vibes from Better Call Saul. He is always so cheerful as he does awful things.
Obviously the million-dollar soap-opera plotline version of events is that Petey isactually the father of Devon's baby /j
Loved the video, going to check out the rest right now!
I feel like Milchick is more.... the Helly guy. Whatever needs doing that involves Helly, he does it, though all of these jobs would normally be below his pay grade. I think he's probably a high level guy in the company and either that newspaper editor Milchick is a relative or Luman has a way of catching and re-routing things that are sent to media.
I am not sure much is needed to be analyzed about how Petey got the tape out of the severed floor. In the Lexington File we learn the supposed data detectors are not triggered by something as simple as using a 'code' where certain words are substituted for images...which either means the data detectors are not real, or that they are pretty easy to sidestep....as that is barely even a code or secret language. But also the Lumon staff give Helly a disc of her recorded threat to her outie to take in the elevator with her, and her outie then sends a response back in disc form. So if a disc is not considered trigger worthy for the data detectors, why would a cassette tape be so? The bigger question is how did he get the tape in the first place.
Milchek - Were not in Kansas anymore… and if I can help it never again
Not sure anyone else has brought this up before, but when I first saw Senator Angelo Arteta from a far at birthing center - I thought he looked like (innie) Mark - same hair style - shape of head. I was suspicious as to why we and Devon didn’t let the view of him then either. Later, at the park when we see him close up, he wasn’t a clone of Mark, but there is something eerily similar between characteristics of the two.
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Am not sure if this has been talked about or if this is the place for it , but I think Harmony does believe in Eagan ideology, but Charlotte must be her daughter, and she wants to prove reintegration is possible because they have "chipped" or applied severance procedure on peope in coma, I think Mark's wife is am example of this. Split personalities can even have different afflictions like diabetes, so if the severance procedure is like a partition it bypass of the brain, then her "outie" is just bed ridden and in a comma, but her innie is fine. Some similar situation might be with Charlotte and if reintegration is possible, she can get her daughter back
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On Petey, Irv's clean slate didn't take 100% either. Who saw "the man in the business suit" "probably from the bar down the hill" first? Was it Mark or Devon (I have to watch the season again b4 season 2). If it was Mark, maybe Devon does know Petey, or at least "of him."
Mark saw him first and then he told her about it the next morning. She reacted like it was no big deal, brushing it off as just another odd event in Lumon's little town. I'm probably losing it... but she almost acted like she expected it to happen but wanted to appear as though it was a surprise to her. I can't think of any way Petey would know Mark was at her house, unless he was shadowing Mark the entire time.
@@nautilusfiles Yeah some strange guy walking around your property which is already kind of secluded, at an odd time of day, when you just had a baby, gives you no reason for pause? I agree. That's a stretch. She was was too disinterested in it.
Peteys map looks like a basquiat painting 👀 or is it just me???
I love your channel but I just wish you dove deeper into some of the ideas. Like the cloning one, people use that word incorrectly all the time when trying to describe a “Synth”. A manufactured body that can be created in a short time and does not need to be grown from a baby since it is not a living organism. It’s a shell made to look like a person and house whatever consciousness or soul is implanted into it. I have no idea why anyone would confuse this with a clone who is very much human, containing a brain and consciousness. A clone is just a test tube baby… not very interesting compared to what people confuse them with lol. And no I’m no type of conspiracy buff, just a huge fan of sci fi and also clones exist so I mean that’s not really a theory lol. A synthetic human being though (Synth) is something we have never seen on Earth
I try to cover a constellation of theories per episode, so I've gotta keep them somewhat brief. It would be nice to spend a lot of time on idea, but with my release schedule constrictions that would take years lol. Glad you enjoyed the videos :)
@@nautilusfiles You didn't take time with the this theory though, you wrote it off as lazy or nonsensical. You also did this with the theory that MDR could possibly be fumbling with numbers that have no meaning. Its as if you only have time for theories YOU are able to make sense of.
they "refined" his chip
If you change the "ck" in milchick's name to a "g" his name would be German for milky. Wich means absolutely nothing.
They somehow got the book IN
The stairwell maybe? We saw Cobel leave that way when she was fired. It could be possible as to how they enter as well.
Omg I love the Devin theory because what’s really going on w/ her doula. What if some people are unknowingly severed simply for intel. Her Doula was a bit too patient w/ Mark on that first date and she has this professional vibe to her, as if she is trained in psychology and communications. The fact that the brain chip can be triggered remotely brings upon infinite possibilities
I definitely got the vibe that she was too intent on seeing him despite the fact that he is obviously distracted and not ready to date again. The idea the whole town is littered with Lumon agents tracks, and it's scary to think about who else might be involved if that were the case.
Is it me or he sounds a lot like binging with babish?
What happened to Petey? He was he was caught stomping the Puerto Rican flag! If you don’t know what I’m talking about, search for “Bob Seinfeld” on youtube. He played Bob (guest star on Seinfeld) who made several small but AMAZING guest appearances throughout the series. What a career trajectory.
I'm very familiar with Seinfeld! I grew up watching it through the 90s. Grey hair aside, he almost looks exactly the same.
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….YRU SO INSISTENT THAT CODE DETECTORS DONT EXIST….RU A FED…?….
Marks new gf recommended the midwife that happens to be marks neighbor. Shes in on it too.
The greeting card just says "Happy birthday, Niece!" In other words, it's a birthday card Intended FOR a niece from an aunt or uncle, not congratulations to someone whose sibling has just had a child. I think you went a bit off the rails on that one.
Correct, but it doesn't change the point. There are a million options at the greeting cards section, yet he chose one regarding a niece. That's still a curious choice, regardless.
@@nautilusfiles I agrée, it could meaningless, but it could represent Petey’s daughter’s relationship to Mark. The fact that people can be activated and deactivated remotely means that anyone can be severed without us or them knowing. There are infinite ways all the characters are connected without they themselves knowing.
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I didn’t realize that when innie Helly was trying to escape in the stairwell, it was outie Helly on the other side running back in. I thought both were innie Helly and she simply couldn’t escape, so she gave up and went back to Mark. Outie Helly was never activated. That’s how I read the scene. Did I read it wrong?
They show us each side of what happened in two separate episodes. Do you remember the scene where she is in the stairwell talking to Milchick and he's explaining how things work? That scene is taking place at the same time that Mark is waiting around the corner and Helly keeps trying to leave. That's why Mark can't go down the hall, because if he did, Helly's outtie would see Mark's innie through the little window in the door and that could lead to her recognizing him later in the parking lot when they clock out.
It took a second viewing for that to even begin to click for me, but I thought it was pretty clever.
@@nautilusfiles yes I remember! Thank you for clarifying! Such a great show and I can’t wait for season 2.
The code detector didn’t go off for the disk, why would it go off for a tape?
My guess is that the disk was sanctioned by management so it may have bypassed the scanners for that reason. Otherwise, it puts the method by which these detectors work into the highly questionable.