Game Theory: Phoenix Wright is a CRIMINAL (Ace Attorney)
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Phoenix Wright is the hero of the justice system, investigating crimes and bringing criminals to justice! Right? RIGHT? But what if in the process of catching the bad guys, Phoenix is actually becoming one of them himself? It's Law and Order's worst nightmare on this week's episode!
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Remember, we're talking about a game where one of the prosecutors hits the judge with a whip
And where a different prosecutor almost murders Phoenix
Oh and where one throws a coffee mug at anyone who confronts them
@@woofyou1186OBJECTION godot doesn't throw coffee at anyone, he just throw coffee on trite because he hates him
@@girosvaldodeskate2214 Hold It!
he’s probably done it to more tho
@@woofyou1186 OBJECTION ! the only other 2 characters that we see that he don't like, is a dead person, and a person he only encountered one time, so you have no evidence or motive to suport your claim
@@girosvaldodeskate2214 objection!
It’s obvious that Godot experienced some emotional trauma, and is not a very good person. Based on the amount of coffee he drinks, and enemies he would have made as a prosecutor - it’s extremely likely it has happened at least once, despite not knowing if it truly did
1:50
Matpat: *says phoenix is on trial but puts phoenix in the judge's seat*
LOL guess pheniox is the juge of his own case
Not guilty verdict in a matter of seconds
well of course hes even defended himself
3:49
> Shows Phoenix
> Apollo Justice's "TAKE THAT!"
Future Phoenix: Not guilty
OBJECTION!
*That theory is O U T D A T E D, Your Honor.*
I herby Phoenix Wright N O T G U I L T Y!
I requested a new theory yesterday.
I received it this morning
lmao underrated comment
Yea it is old like comments being toxic
Hold it!
U n d e r r a t e d
The problem with this theory is that in this world detectives explicitly work for the prosecution and all evidence can be hidden from the defense until the prosecution presents it in court. The defense basically acts as their own investigators because they have to. It's not a good system, but the system is consistent and the prosecution follows similar rules.
yeah now that i think about it thats highly unusual and could potentially be abusive
@@iananderson4754 i think it works more from the gameplay pov as it puts you as the defense a little more on edge
right?
@justbny9278 yeah I mean if we haven't need to investigate on our own and you had to cut investigation parts from the game, it will become significantly shorter and boring as well considering you discover a lot of the story in this parts
@@metinhesenov maybe you could play in the detectives POV during the investigation parts and then back to the defense attorney's POV during the trials.
Now that I’ve played the games, I can confidently say Phoenix’s actions are least of this courtrooms problems
whipping the judge, throwing a cup of coffee on someone, faking being taken as a hostage by a wooden dummy ... etc
Literal suicide in the courtroom and spirit channeling takes place too
Ya it's... Problematic to say the least
And an orca somehow being prosecuted.
A courtroom gets bombed in the middle of a trial
Hmmmmm
This reminds me of a certain character. I believe his name was Miles-I-withhold-evidence-and-pull-out-an-updated-autopsy-report-out-of-nowhere/Edgeworth.
@Bleh Oof also Mia-I'm-dead-but-come-back-almost-too-late-to-save-the-case-Fey
And Mr. von-Taser-the-defense-attorney-and-his-sort-of-assistant-to-steal-the-file-evidence-and-to-cover-up-me-murdering-my-student's-dad-to-get-my-revenge-for-him-ruining-my-clean-record-Karma.
For fictional world they have long lastnames.
I'm seeing a trend here
SBCD I hadn’t noticed Mr SB-I-can-see-obvious-similarity’s-amongst-people-CD
5:05 But Edgeworth did know that the bellboy existed as a witness. The bellboy literally says “because Mr.Edgeworth told me not to tell you unless I was directly asked” so Edgeworth clearly knew about him. Please use a better example.
If anything that means that the prosecutors should be arrested for bending the trial themselves, not Pheonix.
you just OBJECTIONd matpat
Overruled. you didn't say Objection :/
Also karma suggested to call the parrot as a witness and egdeworth wasn’t even prosecuting
@@Alb410 OBJECTION that doesn’t change anything
Edgeworth to MatPat- *"You're not a clown, You're the entire circus."*
CIRCUE TO THE RESCUE!
Maximillion Galactica intensifies
That's edgeworth to everybody
This aged….
You don't wanna talk about clowns in Ace Attorney 😅
WELL EDGEWORTH SURPRISED THE COURT TOO WHEN HE BROUGHT THE FREAKING UPDATED AUTOPSY REPORT!!!!
In case two, but why was that not aforementioned? Better yet, why does the video frame Phoenix Wright of being the criminal-minded one here against a team of prosecutors that defy the judicial system that the game imposes?
The Wolf Link Yeah, it's like he deliberately ignored the fact Von Karma tasered Wright and stole all his files on a previous case lol
Yeah,it's true bc Phoenix said he didn't get the dated autopsy report, which is a wrong doing. So, Game T. What do you gotta say?
Yes he did
... okay? Why does that magically make Wright innocent lol
OBJECTION! This doesn't seem shocking when you remember that a prosecutor whips the JUDGE in the middle of the session when things aren't going her way. Their judicial system has as much in common with our laws and customs as an apple and an orange. They are both fruit and share the traits that fruit often share, but if you are given an apple and only have experiences with apples, you can't understand an orange. Therefore, without further information about this court system you cannot make these slanderous claims!
this is a court where people can bash in with surprise evidence and they go "i allow it" and it is "guilty till proven innocent"
In Japan, tampering with evidence is illegal.
How's your coffee man
Edgeworth did it in episode two with the autopsy report, claiming it to be "Updated". If the coroners were smart enough to get the cause of death right in the first episode, then they shouldn't've had to redo it in the second.
The game takes place in LA. Watch the video.
4:47 Edgeworth, the case's prosecutor, has no idea that that thing exists and has no chance to think about the evidence
Me in my head: what about that time edgeworth suprised everyone with an updated autopsy report which pheonix did not know about?
Or the fact that edgeworth did know the bellboy and told him to stay quiet.
@@kek-senpai243 and if u play the second or third game or 5th case it tells u about the law
@@kek-senpai243 Or the fact that von Karma, in case 4, coached Lotta not to mention very important parts of her testimony.
@@notme8232which von Karma?
@@legendarywiimaster The one in the first game
"Edgeworth had no idea that pill bottle exists'
Also Edgeworth: *Your autopsy report is outdated*
USA: You are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Japan: You are guilty until proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt.
Phoenix Wright: You are guilty, not until you prove innocence, but when you find the true murderer.
@@vaporizedhollow98 that's too accurate
Vaporized Hollow well somebody’s guilty, and we don’t get paid if we don’t arrest anyone, right?
So true
Peter Liu 1223 exactly
OBJECTION!
Point 1: The wiretap
This video claims that Phoenix stole the wiretap that was in April May's hotel room, but that is not the case. If you look carefully, the wiretap is "added to the court record". If he had physically taken the evidence with him, it would say something like "slipped into pocket", words that are used later on in the series. What he likely did instead what take note of the existence of the wiretap and take a photo of it to be able to prove it later.
Point 2: the receipt
This video also claims that Phoenix nonchalantly collected evidence after Mia Fey's murder in the second case instead of calling the police, but that claim is bogus when you look at the sequence of events at that part of the game. This is what happened:
Phoenix, being the second person to arrive at the scene, finds his mentor dead and her sister, Maya, in tears. She passes out and Phoenix places her in a sofa in the next room. He then does the sensible thing and checks if Mia is dead. For all he knew, she could have been unconscious. Her body goes cold after he puts his hand on her shoulder, so he concludes that she is, in fact, dead. He then looks at the scene, taking note of the Thinker, the broken glass light stand and the receipt with the word "Maya" on in blood. (The phrase "added to court record" is used.) He then tries to call the police but the phone in the office was tampered with, so he is unable to. He then finds Maya awake and, after learning of her name, tells her about the note. The police arrive at the scene. Detective Gumshoe finds the note next to the body and arrests Maya after also learning about her name and concluding that Mia wrote her killer's name on the receipt.
When did Phoenix conceal any evidence here? He didn't! If he did, Detective Gumshoe wouldn't have found the note in the first place, and thus wouldn't have suspected Maya when he did. Plus, the evidence that Phoenix found was still there for the police to find later, which is how both Detective Gumshoe and Prosecutor Edgeworth knew about it in the trial.
Therefore Phoenix is NOT a criminal!
One thing too you can give evidence as long as its revelant to the case
OBJECTION!!
POINT 1 :
The problem in this one is not how he slip the evidence, but how he obtain that evidence. Both in US and Japan, you're not allowed to searching someone house or possession without warrant. The defendant can sue you back, even the police.
POINT 2 :
No objection, sir. He isn't hiding the evidence. The police even ask Phoenix about that evidence.
I'm done, Your Honor.
Hold it!
Sadly... In anime, Phoenix Did take the wire tap... The only logical thing I can come up with this is lawyers can act as inspector in their world...
But about the receipt...I agree with the theory that Phoenix didn't conceal the evidence..
@@commander1488
Even if you're police, you can't conducting a search in defendant property without warrant from the court. Both in Japan and US.
You can be sued back to jail by defendant. Fact.
@@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs is this about the wire-tap.... Hmm actually you're "wright"
P.s did you get the pun?
MattPat: -And this is why Phoenix Wright is a crim-
Everyone: *OBJECTION*
yep, Pat's objection has been overruled lol.
If you actually played the game, you would know that there exists a book about evidence. It has 2 rules.
1. No evidence shall be submitted without the approval of the Police Department.
2. Unregistered evidence presented must be relevant to the case in trial
Just try to play the game next time.
I think he might've played a version that didn't have the 5th trial, from the graphics of his screenshots lol
@@laraechesney it had gant's office so he at least acknowledged it in the video
@@laraechesney he play gba version with english rom hack.
That’s in rise from the ashes, very hard to get
@@n4tur414 is it? I literally pirated it and it had the 5th case
I thought Phoenix never took any of the evidence or even touched it, but just made a note of it.
You are correct. That part of the theory was based on a misunderstanding of the game's mechanics.
um he did I think? Its been awhile since I played it, but I think in one game he presents a piece of evidence he actually touched and the piece of evidence was something only he himself knew about and broke the case.. So ;/
It happens, and when it does, it's obvious from a story standpoint. But in that case, it's usually something given to him or something that seemed unrelated to the case until a certain moment. But the court record is not Phoenix's inventory and he doesn't pick everything up. The receipt that MatPat cited as an example was not taken from the crime scene. It's actually the first thing the detective notices and it's the reason that Maya was detained as a suspect. The first person to bring it up in court was the prosecution. Which would be obvious if you played the game, so I don't believe he really did.
Basically things in the court record being things Phoenix picked up are the exceptions, not the rule. And the one specific example that MatPat picked was definitely NOT one of those exceptions.
You are correct.
Oh wow I didn't know a game that has physically abusive prosecutors, spirit mediums, testifying animals and having them as defendants, where a verdict is handed out within three days could in anyway be inaccurate in the real world
Because, all of it is fiction.
@@pheonixwrong2461 What? Video games aren't real life!??!1??11!!!1!1!1!
@@bigyoshi7134 yes!!1!1!1! fiction of course!
@@bigyoshi7134 no they are we are the fake ones video games are real
@@webs2099 reject society, welcome gaming. We live in a society, gamers rise up
Game Theory: Phoenix Wright got away with it!
Kristoph Gavin: Ah, I see you’re a man of culture as well.
Game Theory: phoenix guilt-
Comments: theme starts playing*
Literraly while i am reading the comme t section i am hearing Pressing Pursuit - Cornered
@@shadowknightdxd6865 nah I can hear matpat saying why do I hear boss music.
Lol these comments are defending pheonix lol
Me who actually played the game : Objection Matt do you truly believe that Phoenix is making surprise evidence
Matt: yes
Music starts playing
Me : then why did edgeworth had an updated autopsy report and Phoenix did not know
Matt: 🤭
@@loushicharara4640 With loads of evidences.
>The game that no-one's ever played
I mean... Speak for yourself, pleb.
Yeah, I am playing this game in Italy.
>Game isn't popular in America but it is in Japan
[cringed internally]
Besides this theory is full of holes.
ImmaLittlePip Yeah, I'm actually fairly certain he got that entirely backwards, right?
I played the first 3 games
Matpat:phoenix Wright is a bad guy
Fans of game: OBJECTION👉🏻
Edit: I never got this many likes before! Thank you all 😊
Well, I suppose nobody would like to hear that.
Ok
Me
Well..read the top comment-
Matpat fans: HOLD IT 🖕🖕
"He tried to bend the trial to fit his needs"
Every prosecutor in the game besides Franziska, Payne, and Klavier: *Intense sweating*
didnt franziska scare the judge into obeying her
@@soliarsystem yes, but it didn´t affect anything
it was just for some jokes
Edge: I have an updated autopsy report
Except Franziska? Come on!
Also, the only reason Payne doesn't is because he sucks.
@@brunokimbao968 She literally presented an illegally obtained photo under the pretense that as long as the judge looks at it, the info will be burned in his mind and she doesnt actually need to register the evidence legally
Matpat: PHOENIX IS THE WORST MOST CORRUPT 'ATTORNEY' EVER.
Meanwhile, at the prosecutor's office: A 70-year-old trial speedrunner, a lady who regularly assaults everyone in court with her whip, a traumatised coffee-hurling robocop, and Miles 'updated autopsy report' Edgeworth.
Also that other dude is there as well I guess.
Oh yeah, the tutorial dude
what was his name again?
@@bartekkaminski3274Winston Payne
winston payne. he is also the only attorney in the series who has never done anything illegal.@@bartekkaminski3274
You mean the janitor?
@@CheeserMeo Yeah him I forgot his name.
“He tried to bend the trial to fit his needs”
Edgeworth: y-yeah! That’s wrong, Wright!
Von Karma: t-totally! What were you thinking wright?
Thats what i thought all the video lol
Fransiska: *uses whip*
The thing is with the forged evidence he doesn't do it himself. it was the detectives.
Gotot:sips coffee
m.ua-cam.com/video/CBTmawSkibc/v-deo.html
Not a rick roll I swear
It's not like there was a disclaimer in the instruction manual of every game in the series, making it abundantly clear that these are fictitious laws and should not be compared to those in real life or anything....
Shhhhh, MattPat can't hear you, he has to be a lazy idiot for his theory to even be remotely plausible.
+camiblack1 Lol. You mad or something? He's probably smarter than you.
MatPat just wants to inflate his ego with psuedo-intellectual mouth-foam.
+Zaine Newbell They worry that people will believe this, and ignore the "It's just a theory" at the end.
msskylos remember when fnaf was a thing and GT fans would witchhunt anyone who had a different interpretation of the lore?
Mat Pat: Phoenix is a criminal
Edgeworth: I believe your brain is OUTDATED
Comments:- Proves Mat’s theory is inaccurate
Mat:-NGOOGH
the comments don't prove the innacuracies in his video,the comments talk about how he told us something that is already common knowledge.
MatPat: So I’m putting our favorite lawyer on trial-
**puts him on the judge stand**
Phoenix: this court finds the defendant phoenix wright
*N O T G U I L T Y*
Lmao
*What an uncultured swine* 😂
(Im just kidding)
phoenix: ooh, surprise promotion!
Are we sure MatPat's badge isn't made of cardboard?
I took a Closer look after His Agents Arrest me (Because he Didn't Called the Actual Police) and Yes, it's Cardboard
is this a reference to the series?
CyberWardenYT yup. Case 2 in the third game
i knew it
Case 3 in the third game, actually.
I love how he says he played the game, but based on the video, he didn't even pay close enough attention to know everything that was going on.
Kinda funny, seeing as how this whole series is based on attention to detail.
Such as...
@@neonbunnies9596 you clearly never played any of the games
@@TW13024 yes, and I would like to know, as I haven't played the games
@@neonbunnies9596 just look up a video call defending ace attorney the video explain everything
@@neonbunnies9596 such as: Phoenix didn’t hide the note, gumshoe saw it, which is literally why he needed to defend a 17 year old and explain to the court why it’s BS this child killed her own sister. Another time matpat clearly wasn’t paying attention was when he kept saying stuff about the constitutions and amendments and federal laws, even though it’s been proven this is not only a Japan based legal system, but at the start Phoenix says that it’s legal hell, implying the rules are easily stretched and bent.
Admit it, Matthew Fittzpatrick. You just wanted to rise the ire of a fandom, because you knew it would get you clicks and view time. Also, insuating that there is a possibility Pheonix would want to get a little "personal" with the dead body of the mentor that SAVED HIS LIFE at one point? Even the Karma's wouldn't stoop to such mudslinging.
Yeah , he played only the first game so he doesn't know about mia defending wright
Nick literally said that he touched her shoulder.
@@SA-vl9drand arguably not even the entire first game, since the 5th case literally shows you the rules of evidence law in this universe
OBJECTION!
The thing is sure, Phoenix does do his best and sometimes uses bluffing to defend his clients and find the truth, but that is because the prosecutors that he stands against are the ones bending the truth and reality by not concealing certain facts which might reveal that the defendant is not guilty (the Von Karma case), by changing crucial evidence (such as that autopsy report by Edgeworth) which is why this game is such a cool series. Sure, sometimes the legality of the characters' actions in this game is questionable as this is a...game but the game's main plot point is the story of this defense attorney that has won seemingly unwinable cases (due to the shady prosecutors he is up against) because he points out what seems to be "irrelevant" evidence that ends up being the turning point of the trial (this also happens a lot in Detective Conan, although not in a court trial setting, but it happened once where one of the juror was Conan's teacher). While I see what this video is trying to do, there are a lot of problems.
HOLD IT!
1. A lot of people have talked about this but the wiretap evidence in April May's room was included legally in the game as Court Evidence and was not slipped into his pocket (this action happens later on, you should have used those moments as a way to prove that point).
OBJECTION!
2. Phoenix was far from concealing evidence of the receipt. He touched Mia's body to see if she was really dead and was unable to call the police (which they came anyways) as the phone was previously trampled with. He did not take the note for himself and Detective Gumshoe even arrested Maya first place because of that note itself. When you pointed that out in the video, you even put the footage of Gumshoe talking about the note and arresting Maya on the spot! There is also a case in Justice for All where Phoenix's client was clearly guilty (even to Phoenix's knowledge) and he chose not to conceal evidence regarding that after Maya was saved from De Killer; he would rather lose the trial but not accuse an innocent person instead.
TAKE THAT!
3. You should play the other games too (I mentioned Justice for All previously and there are many more). Phoenix has been disbarred as he unknowingly presented forged evidence and he received punishment for it (bear in mind that he was tricked as well). Also, he was almost excluded from trial (contempt of court) and Maya was punished for it when she caused an uproar a second time. So no, whatever he did wrong in the series, the game acknowledges it.
There are some facts about the legal court system that you pointed out that are also slightly incorrect. An example is a "surprise witness". Some court trial do allow their existence but the other party (defense or prosecutor) are allowed to have more time to prepare themselves. (However this is only a minor issue, I just felt like pointing it out.)
So, my verdict is that Phoenix Wright is Not Guilty.
Thank you.
Hardcore, m8.
I'm not sure if you're a lawyer or not, but this comm is underrated..
@@amiakeli2682 agreed, this theory has a bunch of holes
Phoenix Wright is one of the best games, I refuse to believe Nick is guilty
@Alpha The Ultimate Werewolf OBJECTION! Although this person seems to be a fan of the games, from my read through of there comment, only presents the facts!
right brain: i’ll never look at nick the same way ever again
left brain:
*OBJECTION!*
Lungs:
*HOLD IT*
REV,
Finger:
*TAKE THAT!*
Right brain:
*OBJECTION DENIED*
Heart:
Order! I will HAVE ORDER!
*OBJECTION OVERRULED*
😤
Stomach:HOLD IT I HAVE EVIDENCE
Did matpat play this game at all beyond the first case? He talks about phoenix hiding evidence from the police, while the scene were maya is arrested because the police found that evidence is being show in the video. Also a mental note according to matpat if I find a body I shouldn't check if they're still alive, before calling the police
*Apollo Justice Ace Attorney, Turnabout Succession, flashback*
Phoenix: "So, you're accusing me in forging the evidence?"
Klavier: "Um, actually, not only, Herr Wright…" *shows this video*
this video is complete bs, matt had finished, even played, the fifth case of the first game then he would have realized that too. therefore, mr. gavins evidence changes nothing to the facts of this case
I want to point out that Phoenix didn't hide the receipt with Maya's name on it, and in fact Gumshoe discovered it and it's the reason Maya was arrested on the spot under suspicion of murder
Yeah idk where he got that info gumshoe found it
Agreed
What about the wiretap
@@luisasia1412 Illegaly obtained, but i'm not sure it would get you disbarred or in prison. Would deal a really serious blow to your carreer though.
@@melvinjones6862 not really The rules and ace attorney says as long as the evidence is relevant to the case it’s fine
I like how you talk about phoenix hiding the note with mayas name on it and in the background you show footage of gumshoe the police detective literally commenting on the note.
Robatic oof 100
Yah he hasn't withheld the evidence at all!
Also if you try to calle the police on the game it saya that someone has cuy the phone cables
And at that moment he knew
*He Fu**ed up*
It was mentioned to not tampering with the scene, even slightest movement
Last time my friends put down their classmate's body from suicide, the local police scolded them
MatPat: Edgeworth has no clue that Wright has these pieces of evidence.
Edgeworth: Laughs in *Updated Autopsy Report*
If a prosecutor can steal evidence from a police department and use a stun gun against a 17 year old girl with no reason, I think it's safe to say phoenix's methods are totally fine
Objection! Matpat, you forgot about Rule 2 of Evidence Law from the final episode of the 1st game, Rise from the Ashes. Rule 2 states that new evidence can be brought into court as long as it is connected to the current case. Phoenix's evidence followed this rule as all his evidence is connected to his cases. Take that!
Objection! stop right there felix heres the question is this about real life? or in the game itself? this is obviously irrelevant to this video! DO YOU HAVE EDVIDENCE showing that I'm wrong I think not however for the creator for this video its a game its not real life if it was then phoenix wright would've went to jail a long time ago AND I AGREE for 2 things phoenix wright is guilty however thanks to this guilt it helps the court to find out whos the murderer and all that crap felix you are right for 1 thing however real life is stronger then non-ficton so phoenix wrights guilt is higher then phoenix wright innocents just kidding think about it how much cases has phoenix wright won and showed that one of the witnesses are guilty?
+roblox edwinomar HOLD IT! Actually your counters are the ones irrelevant because we're not taking this to real life court. This isn't about whether reality is stronger than fiction; this is about how Matpat is trying to get Phoenix guilty in the game, not real life. Yes, he does use real life references in order to "back up his argument" but he didn't do sufficient information gathering in game, which is what OP was commenting on.
TAKE THIS Phoenix Wright still tampered with evidence
+BannerUrchinGaming When?
OBJECTION War 1412 thanks for helping me prove phoenix wright is innocent BannerUrchinGaming he did tampered edvidence but think about this phoenix wright is a video game not real life WICH MATPAT US PUTTING CHARGES ON PHOENIX WRIGHT WHEN HES A VIDEO GAME NOT REAL LIFE
"So today, I'm putting gaming's most famous attorney on trial."
*places him in the jugde's seat
I cought that one to XD " I Phoenix Wright consider myself..." *Not Guilty* XD
in case you didn't know it's at 1:45
innocent due to sudden promotion
OBJECTION!
"It's time for the defense to go on defense."
(looks at the amount of times Phoenix defends himself in the games)
@@retraktable7186 in the FIRST GAME, there are quite a few I haven't played yet
Matpat: says that you can’t just bring out something suddenly in court and phoenix is doing it. Edgeworth: *OUTDATED AUTOPSY REPORT*
Thing is, the Prosecutors of the Ace Attorney series are notorious for leaving out multiple details in their crimes that Mr. Wright himself (or Apollo) has to present instead. In fact, some prosecutors have even told witnesses they call to the stand to not state specific evidence that would otherwise point to someone else being the killer (because it is always a murder).
If anything, Phoenix Wright and Apollo Justice are just doing what all other lawyers are doing, which would point to such practices actually being okay in any case, murder or not.
And he only used one game as his source
Manfred Von Karma did the same in Turnabout Goodbyes telling Lotta to hide the enlarged photo from the court.
He described an average Ace Attorney prosecutor almost perfectly.
The only problem was he was trying to describe Phoenix Wright.
Just saying, not all crimes are murder in the games. there 1 (and sort of a half) theft cases.
Apollo Justice Dosen't Really Count, It Sucks, That's Why
*Video:* Made in 2016
*UA-cam:* Recommending it in 2019
Rilaxation
i think it recomended it now cuz (besides youtube recommendations being broken) an updated graphics version of the game was released recently, rising its popularity in the states.
@@thelivingliver6715 oof
Rilaxation
im gonna be honest with you
i was just guessing 😂
r/wooosh
Tbh I only found PWAA in my recommended because Kubz Scouts played it
I love how game theory forgot to say that the prosecutors do everything that Phoenix does times 10
What could've been done: How the Khur'ain Channeling Technique works, what poison did Dahlia use to make Diego blind/lose pigment, why does Diego's mask glow red in the first place.
What we got: Phoenix is kinda sketchy man.
MatPat: Phoenix is the criminal because he keeps bluffing!
Phoenix: ....
Edgeworth, Von Karma, and Franziska: *cha cha real smooth* :^)
He did it boys!
He said it!
*Air horn noises*
Both von Karmas in a nutshell
Manfred: *Forged evidence, told his witnesses what to say, took control of the court and scaring the judge etc etc
Franziska: *whipping noises*
@@galinabojarova3237 not only that but Manfred literally committed AND admitted to murder lmao dude even told a whole backstory
@@RD_Gravehill Yeah lol.
PHOENIX IS NOT CRIMINAL!!!!!!!
*OBJECTION!*
Your honor this is irrelevant to the case!
OBJECTION!
You're irrelevant!
Tay From The Kubz Scouts Im liking this comment just because of the name
Trinitysora 7 you know him
Abid Ahmad Yup!
Trinitysora 7 congratz m8 you are the 2nd one who knows that channel
"The game that no one's ever played"
Me staring at the AA game my friend loaned me which I finished 2 days ago
"guess I'm no one"
9:09 “wiretaps are illegal unless ordered by court” did… did he miss that entire part of that case?
According to the Evidence Law Book of the game.
Rule 1: No evidence shall be shown without the approval of the Police Department.
Rule 2: Unregistered evidence presented must be relevant to the case in trial.
That's pretty contradicting, but I haven't played the game, so...
The game doesn't follow the US system. It's a hybrid of Japan's system with a few invented things.
Whoops, read your comment wrong. Didn't see the "of the game" part. Sorry. Carry on!
I'm surprised he didn't bring this up since its pretty important in the last case of the first game, but then again...it would have contradicted his entire case against Phoenix in this video.
+Busterman64 he did say that in Japan you can do that, and since it's a combination of America/Japan, and accepted that Phoenix isn't doing anything illegal by brining unregistered evidence. He did not say anything about the laws the game itself gives you, though
Except.... Phoenix DOES get arrested and disbarred in the fourth game for presenting unlawful evidence?
At least play all the games first, MatPat.
That doesn't make MatPat wrong. He's still a criminal. He called it bruv.
By MatPat's logic every prosecutor is also a criminal for hiding evidence, and some even more so (Franziska and Manfred Von Karma) for actually attacking people.
Helen May Attacking people is a crime, and so is hiding evidence. Also, every prosecutor doesn't do that. Generalizing isn't cool bro.
I did say it is a crime. I've only played up to Apollo Justice, and every prosecutor did hide evidence in some way.
Helen May Oh, I thought you were talking about real life. My mistake.
MatPat: Phoenix Surprises everybody with evidence that was unknown to the court at the time!
When evidence is added, it says this! *Added to the court record*
What a way to tell us you've never played ace attorney without telling us you've never played ace attorney
Imagine calling a guy a criminal in a game where we’ve got a prosecutor whipping the judge and a guy that throws coffee
@@legendarywiimasterI mean he did get disbarred for forging or tampering evidence in Apollo Justice
@@aidenlalic5086And then it was proven that he didn't do it
I understand why you made this video. You played Phoenix Wright, it's amazing, you couldn't wait to make a theory on it. Unfortunately, because you haven't played the rest of the games, you only had one game to get info from and it suffered as a result. Phoenix being a criminal is nothing new. Play Apollo Justice and you'll see what I mean. Phoenix isn't even the worst offender of this type. Look at the prosecution, Von Karma and Edgeworth both commit similar crimes in the same game. But even then, it makes sense why he could get away with this stuff. The Ace Attorney universe uses the 3 Day Trial method, and so the defence and prosecution are logically encouraged to get as much information as possible as quickly as possible. I love that you've played Ace Attorney. I hope that you find the time to play the rest of them and I can't wait until your next theory after you've played all of them.
Aside from all that, this theory wasn't entirely useless. You've used this opportunity to teach us about the differences in law between the real word and the romanticised version of law in the Ace Attorney series.
+FavChanger I just wished he did just that. But he had the stupid part about Pheonix is a criminal.
btw, he's a criminal in the 4th game, not in the original trilogy.
He also would've known about the Evidence Law.
Yeah. only playing the first game isnt a solid base for a theory. he would have to play the whole trilogy and Apollo. and maybe the one that afds Athena to base any theories.
He hasn't finished the rest of the game, let alone games. You can't finish the first game without learning about Evidence Law, and you can't make a video about Ace Attorney and law without that ever crossing your mind. Unless he's following the Von Karma doctrine of evidence- if it doesn't help you, don't present it.
Mat : It's in a alternate universe
Also Mat : ACCORDING TO FEDERAL LAW
I thought to it at this point that mat lost idea for content at that time of year
ace attorney: *is based on the japanese legal system*
mat: ACCORDING TO FEDERAL LAW
Ace Attorney: *clearly has its own alternate rules, and are mentioned in RFtA*
MatPat: ok so anyways, america
But in Japanifornia the US federal law is unvalid
He litteraly said that ace attorney had other laws IN THE VIDEO
But anyways America
And eat your hamburgers Appolo
I hate how MatPat applies real world rules to fictional games. Minecraft is the best example. He goes from claiming that the Minecraft world isn't flat to claiming that the souls of the dead are trapped in sand.
True he even said that capcom confirmed that ace attorney takes place in los angeles but he even said that he played ace attorney but many times there was hints that ace attorney takes place in a place call "japanlifornia" even capcom confirmed it
This came up when I searched for ace attorney memes, guess that shows how much of a goddamn joke this video is
You roasted him, my guy 😂👍
Most of the prosecutors do all these illegal things throughout the series, especially Von Karma, who MatPat should've known about, so it's stupid to say the "main villain of the game is Phoenix Wright" when
1. Others are breaking the law in the same/worse ways than Phoenix
2. Phoenix only cares about justice, he's trying his best to make everything fair, so you can't call him the bad guy for doing the right thing.
Main Villain no... but Phoenix is kinda sketchy. That was the reason why they made him how he was in Apollo Justice, but many fans thought that Phoenix wouldn't go that far.
yeah,I was about to comment something like that and also I think it's pretty obvious that this game takes place in an alternative universe where the court rules are completely different but it'd be a good theory if it happened in our universe...except that then everybody in the series would be a criminal...
I think the main problem with this theory is that he says that phoenix took the evidence in the second case...which is untrue as gumshoe goes into the office a second later and sees the letter without phoenix showing it to him...anyway my point is...this theory didn't really say anything...It was very obvious what he is going to say.
you do make a point that there are some villains in the game that have done acts that are as bad if not worse. But two wrongs don't make a right. Phoenix, who had become a lawyer and therefor knows the way the law works, should not be doing shady acts or such to help win his cases.
You could say he's no better than the prosecution where he is constantly accusing them of doing shady acts. For someone who cares about justice, you have to admit that if he wants it and innocence of his clients to be legit, he's got to play by the rules instead of playing to criminals and prosecutions level.
Mat does make a good point. I forgot that by examining the body and investigating a murder without permission from the police would lead to tampering with both crime scene and evidence.
Still love the series, love the fact that we learn different perspectives, still think iris and phoenix should be a couple but at the same time yeah, Phoenix isn't as amazing as people proclaim him to be
Any evidence that's collected through illegal means (such as secretly bugging a personal mobile device) can't be used in court.
I'd say Phoenix is more of a Robin Hood kind of guy: he does stuff for good, but his methods are a bit shady.
MatPat: Phoenix Wright is the one who gets away with everything unethical in attorney business!
Edgeworth who constantly has the latest reports and intentionally never tells anyone: *phew*
The Von Karmas who not only forge evidence, but physically harm people: *phew*
Godot who throws hot cups of coffee at people and has murdered people: *phew*
Kristoph: Who has manipulated the entire courtroom and all of law just so he doesn’t ruin his perfect record: *phew*
The whole fandom : OBJECTION ! Phoenix is not a criminal !
Game theorist : *chuckles* i’m in danger.
Well Matthew immediately forgot the game’s version of “Evidence Law.” In order for a piece of evidence to be presented, it must be relevant to the case. That pill bottle may not have been relevant up until that point.
Frontier Dustice
He most likely just got to 1-4 and called it a day, otherwise the evidence law book would’ve made him realize how wrong he was sooner
it feels like that's almost exactly what's said during the trial lol
@@mldag1678 yeah it was important during 1-5
@@cresoma OBJECTION...
I present to you the ds version in the game only 4 cases are in it.
@@OliveOil02
TAKE THAT! The international DS version was actually the first version to include 1-5! It was the GBA version that only had 4 cases!
6:54 Objection, pal! Must I remind you that the game was created in Japan and that the creators made the game's events happen in Japan? The translators just changed the japanese references to US references. TAKE THAT!
(I always wanted to say this, pal!)
... I can see so much contradictions in this video, have you even played the game, pal?
Hell the French version say it takes place in Paris so yeah I guess we go with it takes place in japan
ImmaLittlePip Really pal? I didn't know that. Well, the more you know, I guess.
+Dick Gumshoe
Eeyup so the whole "American Japan" thing doesn't really hold enough water when you have to ignore other localizations
ImmaLittlePip Yep, you're right, pal!
Ace Attorney fans after seeing this video:
"I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that"
Well considering how half assed this is...
More like present counterargument, Ace Attorney-style.
10:55 “There is no evidence that Phoenix Wright tells the police about this evidence” _shows clip of gumshoe talking about said evidence_
Uh... MatPat:
aceattorney.wikia.com/wiki/Evidence_Law
The game has it's own rules. Don't go around saying Phoenix breaks the law without even knowing the rules of that universe.
Well, he recognizes to have forged the bloodstained card in AJ. So he IS still a criminal, but yeah, this dude should at least have played.
+SmashSSL
Hell judging from this video he doesnt seem to have even beaten the first game other wise case 5 would of blown this theory like a French Canon during an American revolution
French Maid*
He does stuff in real life not video game rules.
but if the video game actually has rules and laws written out, it cant be worked around
This video was generously paid for by BLUECORP
Mat: It's illegal in US!
Phoenix Wright, being a japanese game: Uh, okay, whatever
Matpat, I'm sorry but you have been proven wrong by most commenters. I mean look at these their pretty solid evidence against your theory.
P.S love your sans is ness theory.
That theory isn't any better. Sans is a monster, so he can't be Ness, who is human.
Well still, it's just a theory after all.
The Gaster master
1: A BAD THEORY (©HMK)
2: Not according to most of his fanbase. Head to the wrong side of town and you'll find GT fanboys preaching his theories as if they were fact. Even Mat seems to think they're facts, as he's repeatedly referenced his theories in other theories claiming that he "proved" something.
but the theory is weak (the ace attorney one) because the wiretap was stolen from Mia's office which now became Phoenix's, which means that his wiretap, and it's not considered stealing if it's yours in the first place which means the police can't arrest Phoenix and leave April in jail for sealing the wiretap in question. MattPat just gave us *"weak evidence"*
matpat is making a theory about a fictional japanese game where everyone has puns for names
and i also love how the comment section is just everyone defending nick
kw1206 true😂 bc nick is the best👍🏻
They're defending him because mat made a video that makes almost constant mistakes to the point that it's laughable if you play the game as far as episode 2. Also he admitted his fault today that helps
Looks like the Ace Attorney has a few Ace Attorneys of his own
Zechariyah III Yep Looks like it
That’s not true there’s Maya Fey and Miles Edgeworth an-and Wendy Old...old........ Wendy Oldbag....... yeah no I get what your saying
4:04 but in episode 2, edgeworth presented the updated autopsy report.
Phoenix did the same by presenting the sleeping pills. What go’s around comes around.
if the judge sees nothing wrong its likely that this alternate universe doesnt have this discovery thing
The best thing is by his logic every single other prosecutor and attorney is Guilty of these crimes.
Ok Matpat, I think this needs to be siad because you missed a pretty crucial detail. yes, tampering or hiding evidence is illeagal and carries jail time...but he never tampered with the evidence or hid anything in that case! first of all, the only thing he truly touched was Mia's body, more specifically, just her shoulder. and since he was taken into questioning and was questioned all night, he obviously admitted that he touched her body, and maybe the phone when he tried to use it to call the police. but most importantly, he never took that reciept with Maya's name written in blood. as you can see after he adds the reciept to his court record, the note is STILL there, and Gumshoe finds it really easily next to Mia's body, hence why he arrests Maya. I don't know how you missed it, but just keep this in mind, that when Phoenix adds something to his court records, unless stated otherwise, he only makes a note of it in his court record so he won't forget and can ask someone about it later. so in conclusion, Phoenix didn't break any laws in that part.
Except in AJ: AA, but that's a different game with a different story (and assuming you're familiar with it, you already know how that went).
Yeah, I own all the games. To be fair though, he didn't know it was forged and was set up for a fall
Also it would be a crime to not touch her, as he touched her to see if she was alive and in need of an ambulance, which is a citizen's obligation to do if she is alive but can not be left alone (at least in my country)
Holaacu oh wow, that is very true. thanks for sharing. :)
I think your reply to me got marked as Spam....the one about you asking for a strategy from Xenoblade Chronicles X...I hope mat pat didn't do that himself... anyway, sorry dude, but I don't have either of the games.
"Nobody has played the game"
Kubz Scouts
Lance The Android KittenTM & and me
*Objection!!!*
I died so I couldnt play it (jk)
Well, MATPAT definitely hasn't. LOL
_this video is 3 years old, didnt he just start playing recently?_
this video was uploaded in 2016 that’s way before Jay started playing this game
Matpat just argued to a fandom who plays a game about arguing regularly
4:32 (Meanwhile Edgeworth holds back critical evidence in the form of a probably fake updated autopsy report)
you just contradicted yourself with the gameplay. at 10:53 you say "there is no indication that that Phoenix tells the police about this evidence", but at 11:01 you can clearly see gumshoe acknowledge the evidence that Phoenix collected, thus he did tell the police.
Yes!!
Finally someone clever, I was wondering if I were the only one
Plouc Leplouc don't worry, you're not. a lot of the game theory's lately have been a bit iffy. I hope his theories improve.
So this whole video doesn't make sense, I am so disappointed by Matpat. He is not the same anymore
Plouc Leplouc I agree. He contradicts himself several times in this video, but other commenters pointed those ones out but I didn't see anyone point this out so I posted it myself.
“Grabs whip and starts whipping matpat”
Me: STOP! BEING! SUCH! A! FOOLISH! FOOL!
FBI OPEN UP
a folish man dreaming of foolish dreameas about a foolish theory
@@raducristianudrea5017 your talking about matpat?yes or no?
von KARMA!
Only fools say it twice.
Matpat got the acts of what Pheonix did completely wrong in turnabout sisters. Matpat pretends that Pheonix hides or even takes evidence like the giant monkey head from the statue that got toppled.
"the game no one ever plays"
AA Fans: "a-"
Mat pat: this is a good theory
Comment section: are you sureeeee
That’s how it usually is, although it’s usually just sane human beings rather than the entire comment section
I don’t remember commenting that but I still agree with what it 100%.
"The game that no one ever played", including MatPat
He did play you amnesiac. The game, not series, he didn't play the entire series, he played the original ace attorney.
K
@@steelpump100 Not enough. All the evidence that contradicts him is further down the series, not in a single game. Not to mention he's being the amnesiac in this video.
@@steelpump100 Which is funny considering it looked like he only picked stuff from the first two cases, completely disregarding the 5th case where evidence law in the Ace Attorney universe is explained
@@steelpump100 Then why doesn't he know that Phoenix didn't take nor hide the note with Maya's name? It's a pretty big part of the story.
MatPat: Pheonix Wright is a criminal!
Ace Attorney Fandom: According to the mountain of evidence against the countrary, that would be a "no". TAKE THAT!!
"Phoenix is a criminal because he brings up unregistered evidence"
Three words: *updated autopsy report*
"No ones ever played" I feel attacked
I don't know if the game was famous 4 years ago correct me if I am wrong since I never played this game. Just seeing the comments full mad at PatMat for fun
the fact that people use ace attorney quotes and dont know where they come from
@@deadassbird3763 yeah thats really annoying
@@deadassbird3763 yeah like "your not a clown your the entire circus"
HOLD IT ditto
You should've played apollo justice and dual destinies. You're arguments about the legal system are immediately answered.
Also case 5 in the first game should've made you know that someone can take evidence out of the crime scene and be submit it into the court as that's what literally happened.
You're theory on ace attorney is full of holes.
Aren't most of his theories full of holes?
Might as well call Mat Pat Harry Butz
Bullet said the guy named bullet, lol.
1:57 dont forget about air bending skills
Actually, Phoenix didn't hide the receipt with Maya's name on it. The police actually DID find it at the crime scene. That's why Maya was arrested in Case 2. Phoenix didn't actually hide the note. He just made a note of it for future use.
Yep.
This theory is severally flawed...
Sad thing is that he didn't even play the future games lol
He didn't even pay attention the Case 5.
Which states that it doesn't follow the normal laws that we do in reality lol
In fact, the first thing the prosecution brings up is that receipt, during the first day of court.
Furthermore, during the very testimony where it is brought up, Edgeworth pulls his little trick of revealing the updated autopsy report. Phoenix was not informed about this ahead of time, so if anyone is withholding information, it's Edgeworth, not Phoenix!
+Sirmat Yep.
It's a bit ironic that he eventually got the rank as a Cheif prosecutor too...Even if Phoenix and him eventually became friends/Friendly rivals.
Sirmat Then again, that's something we already knew. I mean, withholding
evidence and witness testimony is why people called him the demon
prosecutor to begin with.
Samuel Johnson Adding onto that, I don't think Phoenix even knew it was a receipt at first until the final day of the trial. Maya called to Mia and Mia told Wright to double check the paper when turned out to be a receipt for a glass stand. Also the glass shards were okay that Phoenix kept in mind (I am pretty sure he didn't keep that physically.) because of his absent knowledge on the "note" being a receipt. And if I am correct, Detective Gumshoe and the Police didn't see the glass shards as an important piece of evidence. "They may have just been in a struggle." As they say. I hope this adds on to your claim ^^
Ja-merica: "The Land of the Rising Gun"
Spooky Hogan lol
Yus
Lmao that's a good one
and gun swords
The hetalia fandom is just screaming
But Phoenix never took the receipt. Gumshoe found it on the ground and that's how Maya got arrested. Phoenix never took anything from the scene of the crime, he just added it to the court record, which is not him carrying the thing around.
A book in the game, Evidence Law, states the rules for submitting evidence: "Rule 2: Unregistered evidence must be relevant to the case on trial."
But the game is based on a new court system that doesn't exist in our world. Where both prosecution and defense go head to head with each other showing evidence and calling witnesses to the stand to prove their innocences. Hell, sometimes both defense and prosecutor will work together to prove someone's wrong or right. If the defense or prosecutor find something in the person's testimony as contradicting, questionable or deceitful. The person can literally change it's testimony/add to it. To give themselves leverage until they're finally back into a corner. Plus court cases can only be for 3 days within those days you can go look for more evidence etc. You can't use any existing court system no many which localization this game came in. You do love putting our world's rules into other worlds rules a lot (which already has rules of there own). Hell, I forgot her name but there was a character with a whip. That would whip the judge if he didn't see eye to eye with her and hell let's not forget in later games with the demon girl from hell
Franziska Von Karma
At least she didn't kill anyone or forge evidence like her father.
Zerydinium 371 True but she still whips everyone in court to get her way XD
+Zerydinium 371 or like Edgeworth (sometimes)
+Zerydinium 371 Or taser you....
You think that if you were to make such a bold statement, like "Phoenix is a Criminal" than you would at least play the other two games in the trilogy....or just the 5th case in the first game....
Cellisperfect Or at the very least play the second case, seeing as how the prosecution uses the evidence that he claims phoenix hid.
do you know the difference between than and then?
Ah, thanks for correcting me. My point still stands, regardless of the typo.
Most people I've talked to say this is one of his worst theories. And for good reason
Cellisperfect Objecten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys Phoenix IS A CRIMINAL submitting false evidence TWICE (one on accident, other one he gave to his daughter to give to apollo)
OBJECTION!
I did my homework too, your honor,
in case #5 with Lana Skye, she gives you a book called “Evidence Law”
Now, while MatPat is right saying that the evidence must be shared with the prosecution, the 2nd rule in the book states “Unregistered evidence must be relevant to the case” and all of the unregistered evidence presented by phoenix is relevant to the case!
TAKE THAT!
Game Theorist: (saying 92378 rules that Phoenix broke during cases and deserves prison)
Me: Chill bro, its just an game it wasnt made to be Attorney Simulator
This makes me want to throw some coffee
the #102 mix? I heard it's the best one
No! He can't waste *THAT*! If you're going to throw coffee, it needs to be a blend you *don't* like!
Max Buffkin OMG! What was I thinking? you're right.
let's throw blend #666 then XD
+ Qualquer gamer That's better! Nothing better for this 'theory'! XD
Kingdom hearts number one :)
Franziska Von Karma: I love whipping people, even the judge!
MatPat:Ok
Manfred Von Karma: I change the entire court to my standards
MatPat:Cool
Phenix Wright: I slightly change the court-
MatPat:Your guilty alright
I saw you from the objection funk
@@KemoTherapy69 lol
OBJECTION
You are Von Karma
OBJECTION! You are a von karma, that benefits you.
*Gets out a whip* here, you lost this
…........................... Okay , we are definitely gonna forget that this universe has their own law and also Matpat didn't actually play the game , how wonderful.